Rebels caught with chemical weapons

[scroteface]

http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/

http://nsnbc.me/2013/06/02/syrian-military-seizes-sarin-gas-from-rebels-russia-blocks-un-quasir-resolution/ (http://nsnbc.me/2013/06/02/syrian-military-seizes-sarin-gas-from-rebels-russia-blocks-un-quasir-resolution/)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22424188

can somebody please help me forward these to Congress? the lights are on but nobody's home

[ChumpDumper]

Hm, Russian state media and Syrian state media say it's true, so they must be believed?

[boutons_deux]

still no proof who ACTUALLY gassed on 21 Aug

tea baggers and bubbas HAVE brains (ok, may be not true) but that's not proof they use them.

[scroteface]

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/23866/53/

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/31/306366/turkey-seizes-sarin-near-syria-border/

http://www.nationalturk.com/en/breaking-newssyrian-rebels-began-using-chemical-weapons-15-dead-in-aleppo-rebel-attack-syria-conflict-35649

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/151261/russia-asks-turkey-for-info-on-sarin-terrorists.html

[ChumpDumper]

lol presstv

[scroteface]

lol sniping one link

[ChumpDumper]

lol sniping one linklol three state run media "sources."

How did you not know presstv is run by the Islamic Republic of Iran?

[scroteface]

russian, iran, and the third? now you gonna accuse macedonia and turkey of being with the "turrorists" :lol

[ChumpDumper]

russian, iran, and the third? now you gonna accuse macedonia and turkey of being with the "turrorists" :lolHoly shit!

You didn't even read your own links!

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[scroteface]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/08/syria-chemical-weapons-not-assad-bild


President Bashar al-Assad (http://www.theguardian.com/world/bashar-al-assad) did not personally order last month's chemical weapons attack near Damascus that has triggered calls for US military intervention, and blocked numerous requests from his military commanders to use chemical weapons against regime opponents in recent months, a German newspaper has reported , citing unidentified, high-level national security sources.The intelligence findings were based on phone calls intercepted by a German surveillance ship operated by the BND, the German intelligence service, and deployed off the Syrian coast, Bild am Sonntag said. The intercepted communications suggested Assad, who is accused of war crimes by the west, including foreign secretary William Hague (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/williamhague), was not himself involved (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/08/us-syria-crisis-germany-idUSBRE98707B20130908) in last month's attack or in other instances when government forces have allegedly used chemical weapons.
Assad sought to exonerate himself from the August attack in which hundreds died. "There has been no evidence that I used chemical weapons against my own people," he said in an interview with PBS.
But the intercepts tended to add weight to the claims of the Obama administration and Britain and France that elements of the Assad regime, and not renegade rebel groups, were responsible for the attack in the suburb of Ghouta, Bild said.
President Barack Obama (http://www.theguardian.com/world/barack-obama) is urging the US Congress (http://www.theguardian.com/world/congress) to approve military action to deter the Syrian regime from using chemical weapons and degrade its ability to pursue the two-and-a-half-year civil war against rebel forces.
But Obama is facing stiff resistance from Democrats and Republicans in the House of Representatives, who fear involvement in another Middle East war, and from Assad's main ally, Russian president Vladimir Putin (http://www.theguardian.com/world/vladimir-putin), who has said any military strikes conducted without prior UN approval would be illegal.
Speaking in Paris on Sunday during a European tour to rally support for military action, John Kerry (http://www.theguardian.com/world/john-kerry), US secretary of state, said Washington did not rule out a return to the UN security council to seek backing for military strikes, once UN inspectors have completed an on-the-ground investigation of the 21 August attack. Their report is expected by the end of the week.
Obama's main European ally, François Hollande (http://www.theguardian.com/world/francois-hollande) of France, is under increasing pressure to seek a UN mandate for any military action in the face of opinion polls suggesting up to 64% of French people oppose air strikes. In a bid to gain the support of fellow EU countries, Hollande pledged at the weekend to take the UN investigatory report into consideration before acting. Hollande also suggested he might seek a UN resolution, despite previous Russian and Chinese vetoes.
"On President Hollande's comments with respect to the UN, the president (Obama), and all of us, are listening carefully to all of our friends," Kerry said after meeting Arab League ministers. "No decision has been made by the president."
"All of us agreed – not one dissenter – that Assad's deplorable use of chemical weapons, which we know killed hundreds of innocent people … this crosses an international, global red line," Kerry said.
Kerry's meeting with Arab ministers, including from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, followed talks in Lithuania with European foreign ministers, who blamed the attack in Syria (http://www.theguardian.com/world/syria) on Assad but, aware of overwhelming public hostility to an attack, refused to endorse military action. Germany (http://www.theguardian.com/world/germany)'s chancellor, Angela Merkel, who faces a general election in two weeks, led the charge to caution.
Only 12 of the G20 countries which held a summit in Russia last week have backed the US position.
The German intelligence findings concerning Assad's personal role may complicate US-led efforts to persuade the international community that punitive military action is justified. They could also strengthen suspicions that Assad no longer fully controls the country's security apparatus.
Addressing a closed meeting of the German parliamentary committee last week, the BND chief Gerhard Schindler said his agency shared the US view that the attack had been launched by the regime and not the rebels. But he said the spy agency had not have conclusive evidence either way, German media reported.
Schindler said that BND had intercepted a telephone call in which a high-ranking member of Hezbollah in Lebanon told the Iranian embassy in Damascus that Assad had made a big mistake when he gave the order to use the chemicals, the magazine Der Spiegel said.
Schindler added that German intelligence believed Assad would likely remain in power for some time – irrespective of any potential US-led military intervention - and that the civil war could drag on for years.

[scroteface]

german intelligence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[The Reckoning]

"the BND chief Gerhard Schindler said his agency shared the US view that the attack had been launched by the regime and not the rebels. But he said the spy agency had not have conclusive evidence either way, German media reported.
Schindler said that BND had intercepted a telephone call in which a high-ranking member of Hezbollah in Lebanon told the Iranian embassy in Damascus that Assad had made a big mistake when he gave the order to use the chemicals, the magazine Der Spiegel said"



ummm.....yeah

[Koolaid_Man]

german intelligence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Chumper has been kicking your ass Tyson...real bad too...it's a shame you're aligning with Syrian and Iranian media :lol

racism can be a terrible thing :lol

[Axegrinder]

scrote getting shat upon per the usual

[scroteface]

:lol dickgrinder giving me a lapdance...dance baby dance

[scroteface]

"the BND chief Gerhard Schindler said his agency shared the US view that the attack had been launched by the regime and not the rebels. But he said the spy agency had not have conclusive evidence either way, German media reported.
Schindler said that BND had intercepted a telephone call in which a high-ranking member of Hezbollah in Lebanon told the Iranian embassy in Damascus that Assad had made a big mistake when he gave the order to use the chemicals, the magazine Der Spiegel said"


ummm.....yeah

President Bashar al-Assad (http://www.theguardian.com/world/bashar-al-assad) did not personally order last month's chemical weapons attack near Damascus that has triggered calls for US military intervention, and blocked numerous requests from his military commanders to use chemical weapons against regime opponents in recent months, a German newspaper has reported , citing unidentified, high-level national security sources

kind of conflicting huh..i took that as maybe the "source" wasn't coming from the BND

[ChumpDumper]

lol self-contradicting link

[Axegrinder]

:lol dickgrinder giving me a lapdance...dance baby dance :lol @ Nazis mind ALWAYS going straight towards homoerotic activities...dream nazi dream

[pgardn]

It's amazing to think that Boutons and scrotelackingtesticles could actually be the same species of fruitbat.

[Axegrinder]

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4516898008991772&pid=1.7&w=207&h=179&c=7&rs=1

[FuzzyLumpkins]

"the BND chief Gerhard Schindler said his agency shared the US view that the attack had been launched by the regime and not the rebels. But he said the spy agency had not have conclusive evidence either way, German media reported.
Schindler said that BND had intercepted a telephone call in which a high-ranking member of Hezbollah in Lebanon told the Iranian embassy in Damascus that Assad had made a big mistake when he gave the order to use the chemicals, the magazine Der Spiegel said"



ummm.....yeah

Foreign Policy said that there was an intercepted a conversation between a Syrian general and a chemical weapons unit. The general was chewing their ass.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/27/exclusive_us_spies_say_intercepted_calls_prove_syr ias_army_used_nerve_gas

Basically do you want to believe Russian, Iranian and Syrian state TV or the american free press. Do you want to believe the US government or the Iranians and Russians.

I know where my allegiances are.

No, that does not mean I believe that we should start another armed conflict but I am not going to side with the enemy.

[diego]

Foreign Policy said that there was an intercepted a conversation between a Syrian general and a chemical weapons unit. The general was chewing their ass.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/27/exclusive_us_spies_say_intercepted_calls_prove_syr ias_army_used_nerve_gas

Basically do you want to believe Russian, Iranian and Syrian state TV or the american free press. Do you want to believe the US government or the Iranians and Russians.

I know where my allegiances are.

No, that does not mean I believe that we should start another armed conflict but I am not going to side with the enemy.

I have no reason to believe assad/the regime didnt order the attacks themselves...
But Im curious why you consider Russia and Syria enemies, and why you call the american press "free".

[SA210]

:lol the American msm is to be believed! The ones who sold us the Iraq war!!

Believe them!! :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lol the state Syrian media is to be believed! The ones killing their own people!!

Believe them!! :lmao

[SA210]

Lord Obama said so, so I'm on board. Believeth in Him!!

:lmao

[whitemamba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B71luKK46qA

[ChumpDumper]

Lord Obama said so, so I'm on board. Believeth in Him!!

:lmaoShow a link to where I said that.

Why do you have to lie so much?

[SA210]

Show a link to where I said that.

Why do you I to lie so much?

You're the spineles gutless sheep who won't say or take a an actual stance so that noone picks it apart. You cowardly attack other ppl's views without offering your own. You defend Obama by your responses and butthurt, its evident, coward.

And ur too afraid to just come out and say it. Was ur dad embarrassed that he raised a faggot?

[ChumpDumper]

You're the spineles gutless sheep who won't say or take a an actual stance so that noone picks it apart. You cowardly attack other ppl's views without offering your own. You defend Obama by your responses and butthurt, its evident, coward.

And ur too afraid to just come out and say it. Was ur dad embarrassed that he raised a faggot?So you admit to lying.

You're an admitted liar.

Is your dad embarrassed that he raised a liar?

[SA210]

:lol chump the liar
:lol straw man
:lol coward
:lol Lord Obama
:lol Al Qaeda supporter
:lol butthurt
:lol fag

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks for the meltdown, liar.

[SA210]

:lol chump in meltdown mode

[ChumpDumper]

lol SA210 in admitted liar mode

[whitemamba]

Supporting the jihadis in Syria, fighting the jihadis in iraqm afghanistan, pakistan, yemen..

:lol obama
:lol us government
:lol Zbigniew Brzezinski

[SA210]

:lmao chump keeps lying

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry man, you're the one who admitted to lying during your meltdown.

[SA210]

No, you love Obama and defend him, you feel u need to lie, its a desperate defense mechanism because u never learned to think for yourself and actually debate anything other than 3rd grade tactics. That's just the truth. Sorry it hurts that he's been exposed just as I predicted 5 years ago. I know that stings. Owning you so many times can't be easy for u to cope with. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, you yourself admitted I wasn't defending Obama so you can stop lying about that. I ask simple questions of you and you melt down. That's all that has ever happened here. Don't get angry that you can't explain what you have been told to believe -- it's a common trait of people like you.

[SA210]

:lmao chump tells another lie

:lol Obama exposed like I predicted

:lol my predictions are gold

:lol butthurt flowing thru

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, you already admitted you lied.

No amount of emoticons will save you from your self-inflicted humiliation.

[SA210]

:cry SA210 predicted Obama was a fraud :cry

[ChumpDumper]

You didn't predict your admission of lying.

[SA210]

Bc I didn't lie, you did, and still are, and always will, liar lol

[ChumpDumper]

You admitted you lied.

Now you just lied about admitting you lied.

[SA210]

Nope, but keep lying, liar :tu lol

[ChumpDumper]

I can see you can't figure out how you owned yourself. Don't worry, be angry. :tu

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have no reason to believe assad/the regime didnt order the attacks themselves...
But Im curious why you consider Russia and Syria enemies, and why you call the american press "free".

You wonder why I consider Russia an enemy? I suppose that is Cold War thinking. At the same time there interests are directly the opposite of our own.

Syria is our enemy because they cooperate with Iran and their political proxies in the region which in turn causes issues for our allies in the region ie Turkey, Israel, and the Arab states. Iran is our enemy because their leaders dub us the great Satan.

The American press is free because of the first amendment. Recall the backlash when Obama tried to force the AP to turn over sources and spy on them. That is a matter of course in Iran and Russian press. I know it is coopted and yes we have taken a back in civil liberties to a lot of EU countries but we are a hell of a lot freer than the opposing view.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Supporting the jihadis in Syria, fighting the jihadis in iraqm afghanistan, pakistan, yemen..

:lol obama
:lol us government
:lol Zbigniew Brzezinski

We support the proxies of the Turkey, the Arab states and Israel as well as the Syria army defectors. Yes there are jihadists and yes there is a legitimate concern that munitions and the like could end up in there hands considering how war is. This notion that we are 'supporting AQ' is stupid.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol the American msm is to be believed! The ones who sold us the Iraq war!!

Believe them!! :lmao

I know you have simpleminded categories so you can attempt to understand things but all that you lump together as MSM are just a tad bit more nuanced. That you think FP is MSM is kinda funny. I doubt you would even know who they were had I not linked them. You certainly aren't that well read nor saavy.

[whitemamba]

We support the proxies of the Turkey, the Arab states and Israel as well as the Syria army defectors. Yes there are jihadists and yes there is a legitimate concern that munitions and the like could end up in there hands considering how war is. This notion that we are 'supporting AQ' is stupid.

the number of syrian army defectors doesnet make up 10% of the opposition fighter in syria

[ChumpDumper]

the number of syrian army defectors doesnet make up 10% of the opposition fighter in syriaWhat are all the percentages for all the factions?

[whitemamba]

What are all the percentages for all the factions?

10%syrian
90% terrorist

[ChumpDumper]

from people living in syria tbh..You talk like you have all the percentages of all the factions that make up the Syrian opposition.

Give us a link to them. That will be very informative.

[SA210]

Fuzzy still butthurt lol

[Axegrinder]

chump dumpin fools in here too:wakeup

[SA210]

chump dumpin fools in here too:wakeup


It's called an internet addiction, last time chump had
pussy is when pussy had him, tbh :lmao

77, 300 posts of pure no pussy having butthurt, crofl

[ChumpDumper]

When SA210 can only post about me and forgets about the topic, he is admitting defeat.

[Axegrinder]

I'm definitely smelling meltdown...too much crofl/lol

[SA210]

:lol internet addiction
:lol fake reassuring victories
:lol no pussy

[SA210]

Oh, back on topic that got chump butthurt to begin with. Yea Obama aiding Al Qaeda

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

10%syrian
90% terroristWhere is the link to the percentages?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

the number of syrian army defectors doesnet make up 10% of the opposition fighter in syria

Acting like there is a set head count for the various factions fighting out there is fun I guess. 10% is a madeup number. There is not a numerator or a denominator to go by.

[Koolaid_Man]

Chumper went to work in this thread....destroyed everyone video game style...and really emabarrassed Scroteface *aka* Mavs>Spurs..nice work Chumper :toast

[George Gervin's Afro]

The intercepted communications suggested Assad, who is accused of war crimes by the west, including foreign secretary William Hague, was not himself involved in last month's attack or in other instances when government forces have allegedly used chemical weapons.

[whitemamba]

Acting like there is a set head count for the various factions fighting out there is fun I guess. 10% is a madeup number. There is not a numerator or a denominator to go by.

regardless of the head count they are against america.

[ChumpDumper]

regardless of the head count they are against america.So you just made up that percentage?

[whitemamba]

So you just made up that percentage?

no, not really tbh, just from what i hear from people on the ground.. tell me the numbes fox news, cnn, and al jazeera tell you.. i hear they are credible sources.

[ChumpDumper]

no, not really tbh, just from what i hear from people on the ground.. tell me the numbes fox news, cnn, and al jazeera tell you.. i hear they are credible sources.So you just made up sources a day after you were called on your made up statistic.

Good move.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

regardless of the head count they are against america.

Who is? Acting like 'they' are all one entity so you can make claims about them is mindnumbingly stupid. You are wasting everyone's time including your own.

[ChumpDumper]

No, he knows people on the ground in Syria.

Talks with them on AIM.

[whitemamba]

So you just made up sources a day after you were called on your made up statistic.

Good move.

lol even if i did "make" my sources, they are much more credible than the MSM

[whitemamba]

No, he knows people on the ground in Syria.

Talks with them on AIM.

actually im syrian chump... sorry

[ChumpDumper]

lol even if i did "make" my sources, they are much more credible than the MSMSo who are they?

Where "on the ground" are they?

Why don't they talk to the press if they can talk to you so easily?

[whitemamba]

Who is? Acting like 'they' are all one entity so you can make claims about them is mindnumbingly stupid. You are wasting everyone's time including your own.

where do you get your news sources from ? im honestly interested to know.

[whitemamba]

So who are they?

Where "on the ground" are they?

most of my extended family is in aleppo, but i have lots of friends in damascus, and homs as well.. they just tell how they see it, and their story is totally different from what i hear on tv, and i am in constant dialogue with them.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

no, not really tbh, just from what i hear from people on the ground.. tell me the numbes fox news, cnn, and al jazeera tell you.. i hear they are credible sources.

That's funny perhaps you could link it. I will provide a counter assertion: articles saying that rebel forces are near impossible to head count. Makes sense considering there isn't a registry to go by. Show me something with quantification and not the typical qualification. Do you understand the difference?

[ChumpDumper]

most of my extended family is in aleppo, but i have lots of friends in damascus, and homs as well.. they just tell how they see it, and their story is totally different from what i hear on tv, and i am in constant dialogue with them.Why don't they talk to the press?

[whitemamba]

So who are they?

Where "on the ground" are they?

Why don't they talk to the press if they can talk to you so easily?

it is very hard to move about syria, let alone communicate.. you do not know how dangerous the situation is, so please quit talking like you have a clue whats going on, and do some research. Why is Qatar aka (al jazeera) Saudi (al arabiya) and all the american run media pushing so hard for assad to get out.. If this oppression has been happening for 40 years, why are they helping know.. two words my friend.. "Natural Gas" go and read about it. The West's military campain started when israel began bombing syria.

[whitemamba]

Why don't they talk to the press?

The press shows you what they want you to see, you cant possibly think they wouldnt be biased?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

where do you get your news sources from ? im honestly interested to know.

Mostly FP and CSM. My point is that there are no reliable estimates in the press and your smattering of unobjective family members is not qualified to say what is what across the country. And the moment you start the MSM bullshit just adds fuel to the notion that you require things dumbed down to understand them. What you consider MSM is hundreds of independent news outlets. Just like you need to consider 'rebels' as a singular apparently you lack the capacity of nuance in regards to the america press.

[whitemamba]

That's funny perhaps you could link it. I will provide a counter assertion: articles saying that rebel forces are near impossible to head count. Makes sense considering there isn't a registry to go by. Show me something with quantification and not the typical qualification. Do you understand the difference?

Is that supposed to be an attempt an an insult?

[ChumpDumper]

The press shows you what they want you to see, you cant possibly think they wouldnt be biased?Have they tried?

Have you tried?

[Spurs da champs]

The press shows you what they want you to see, you cant possibly think they wouldnt be biased?

No way, the American media can't be biased!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The press shows you what they want you to see, you cant possibly think they wouldnt be biased?

What makes you think your families are not biased. BTW what ethnicity and religion are they. For that matter what indication is there that you yourself are not biased. Introspection is important.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Is that supposed to be an attempt an an insult?

No. It was me doubting that you understand the difference. I do. If it is insulting that is just ancillary.

[whitemamba]

Have they tried?

Have you tried?

My uncle for example, leaves his house once a month.. and only to get what ever groceries are available.. They are in a middle of a war zone, there is no press inside, there is no one. only army vs opposition.. every single fuckin day could be your last. Do you really think they are worried about talking to the press? Please understand how grave the situation is over there.

[ChumpDumper]

My uncle for example, leaves his house once a month.. and only to get what ever groceries are available.. They are in a middle of a war zone, there is no press inside, there is no one. only army vs opposition.. every single fuckin day could be your last. Do you really think they are worried about talking to the press? Please understand how grave the situation is over there.But they talk to you all the time and you don't try to tell their story -- part of the story dominating US headlines for weeks -- anywhere except on SpursTalk?

I am trying to understand just how grave you find the situation.

[whitemamba]

No. It was me doubting that you understand the difference. I do. If it is insulting that is just ancillary.

You having the doubt and telling me sounds like your trying to insult me with your intelligence?... You choose to believe what you want, but anyone falling for this is greatly misinformed. Study histroy, better yet, just read the constitution.

[ChumpDumper]

You having the doubt and telling me sounds like your trying to insult me with your intelligence?... You choose to believe what you want, but anyone falling for this is greatly misinformed. Study histroy, better yet, just read the constitution.This is quite a cop out after claiming your special perspective.

[whitemamba]

But they talk to you all the time and you don't try to tell their story -- part of the story dominating US headlines for weeks -- anywhere except on SpursTalk?

I am trying to understand just how grave you find the situation.

I tell the story to who ever wants to hear it, your for an example have an interest, and the first thing i did was tell you. I tell people here all the time, but they are so fucking brainwashed by the media its sick. They cant think for themselves. The situation is bad, all the major roads are cut off, supply is limited, random artillery or mortar fire from god knows where, war planes constantly flying over head, no internet, sometimes no phones, electricity is cut of for weeks, water for days, no heating because oil and diesel are so expensive, gas is 80$ a gallon.. i mean the list goes on for fucking ever.

[ChumpDumper]

I tell the story to who ever wants to hear it, your for an example have an interest, and the first thing i did was tell you. I tell people here all the time, but they are so fucking brainwashed by the media its sick. They cant think for themselves. The situation is bad, all the major roads are cut off, supply is limited, random artillery or mortar fire from god knows where, war planes constantly flying over head, no internet, sometimes no phones, electricity is cut of for weeks, water for days, no heating because oil and diesel are so expensive, gas is 80$ a gallon.. i mean the list goes on for fucking ever.I think most people following the story know that much.

[cheguevara]

I tell the story to who ever wants to hear it, your for an example have an interest, and the first thing i did was tell you. I tell people here all the time, but they are so fucking brainwashed by the media its sick. They cant think for themselves. The situation is bad, all the major roads are cut off, supply is limited, random artillery or mortar fire from god knows where, war planes constantly flying over head, no internet, sometimes no phones, electricity is cut of for weeks, water for days, no heating because oil and diesel are so expensive, gas is 80$ a gallon.. i mean the list goes on for fucking ever.

thanks for sharing bro. I definitely want to hear more

and don't worry about Chumps, he is having a really bad day :lmao

[whitemamba]

I think most people following the story know that much.

Do you really think he used chemical weapons ?

[whitemamba]

thanks for sharing bro. I definitely want to hear more

and don't worry about Chumps, he is having a really bad day :lmao

:toast

Thanks man, always willing to discuss it with some rational minds.

[cheguevara]

Why don't they talk to the press?

:lmao :lmao

there is a fucking civil war going on out there and you want them to go find "the press" :lol

[whitemamba]

:lmao :lmao

there is a fucking civil war going on out there and you want them to go find "the press" :lol

For such a smart person i was surprised he said that, i said the same thing, people cant leave their houses and hes talking about talking to the press.. unbelievable

[m>s]

For such a smart person i was surprised he said that, i said the same thing, people cant leave their houses and hes talking about talking to the press.. unbelievable

chump lives in la la land

[ChumpDumper]

Do you really think he used chemical weapons ?Dunno. The latest development seems to support the rogue supporter theory.


:lmao :lmao

there is a fucking civil war going on out there and you want them to go find "the press" :lolIf he can talk to his nephew, why can he not talk to the press or get a message to the press through him?

If it's that important to whitemamba, I thought he would have done so already.

[m>s]

Dunno.

Bingo. That nigga scroteface was ahead of his time:


that's a chumpdumper crew tactic, never have an original opinion of your own which can be picked apart, just sit around attacking other people for theirs

[ChumpDumper]

Bingo. That nigga scroteface was ahead of his time:See edit.

And why are you talking about yourself?

[m>s]

lol editing in an opinion after i called you out

[ChumpDumper]

lol editing in an opinion after i called you outlol before

I don't see your opinion anywhere. Waiting for stormfront to weigh in?

[m>s]

lol before

I don't see your opinion anywhere. Waiting for stormfront to weigh in?

no that doesn't make sense because if it was before i would have quoted the full thing instead of just the original.

my opinion has been known, US imperialism is at it again. i actually have opinions and am not afraid to voice them, you don't coward.

[ChumpDumper]

no that doesn't make sense because if it was before i would have quoted the full thing instead of just the original.Of course it makes sense. One can start editing before you post.


my opinion has been known, US imperialism is at it againThat's just an Alex Jones buzzword.

What do you actually mean by that?

[cheguevara]

If he can talk to his nephew, why can he not talk to the press or get a message to the press through him?


If you just once tried to connect more than a couple of neurons you would realize he can barely look out his window and keep tabs with his loved ones, yet you want him to contact the press for what reason exactly? what is the press going to do according to your Hollywood experience? :lol

Unfortunately you have no clue on what is living a situation like that and hopefully never will. Let me break it to you, it is nothing like the hollywood movies you watch

[ChumpDumper]

If you just once tried to connect more than a couple of neurons you would realize he can barely look out his window and keep tabs with his loved ones, yet you want him to contact the press for what reason exactly? what is the press going to do according to your Hollywood experience? :lol I don't find this to be an lol thing tbh. If it's that serious, why not let it be known by any means possible?


Unfortunately you have no clue on what is living a situation like that and hopefully never will. Let me break it to you, it is nothing like the hollywood movies you watchWhen did you? When you learned Farsi?

I'm saying whitemamba could easily talk to the media. Almost as easily as he posts on SpursTalk. Alex Jones is on six days a week.

[cheguevara]

I don't find this to be an lol experience tbh.

When did you? When you learned Farsi?

I'm saying whitemamba could easily talk to the media. Almost as easily as he posts on SpursTalk. Alex Jones is on six days a week.

nice backtrack, now his uncle doesn't have to contact the media, whitemamba should do it now :rolleyes

and what would talking to the media accomplish exactly?

again this is not a Hollywood movie where an email to "the media" will be taken seriously much less have them do anything about it. this is not Erin Brockovich :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My uncle for example, leaves his house once a month.. and only to get what ever groceries are available.. They are in a middle of a war zone, there is no press inside, there is no one. only army vs opposition.. every single fuckin day could be your last. Do you really think they are worried about talking to the press? Please understand how grave the situation is over there.

So they never move about and leave where they are but you think they are qualified to comment on what comprise rebel forces around the country. Are salafi elements running around trying to implement sharia in his neighborhood? Are they watching syrian TV?

[ChumpDumper]

nice backtrack, now his uncle doesn't have to contact the media, whitemamba should do it now :rolleyesThat was among the options all along.


and what would talking to the media accomplish exactly? The same thing it's accomplishing here. Informing. What would it hurt? Why would you want him to shut up about it? Is that what you would do in the same situation?


again this is not a Hollywood movie where an email to "the media" will be taken seriously much less have them do anything about it. this is not Erin Brockovich :lolAlex Jones is on six days a week. Are you saying no one listens to him? His is just the easiest outlet to reach that I can think of offhand.

Your idea of "the media" is dated and small-minded tbh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think most people following the story know that much.

Nah I thought that there was mass transit and free gas. That there was no shelling and free phone service from Obama.

People that think that 'MSM' have not reported this type of thing are the ones that are deluded.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah I thought that there was mass transit and free gas. That there was no shelling and free phone service from Obama.

People that think that 'MSM' have not reported this type of thing are the ones that are deluded.The people who read it the least whine about it the most.

[cheguevara]

That was among the options all along.

bullshit



most of my extended family is in aleppo, but i have lots of friends in damascus, and homs as well.. they just tell how they see it, and their story is totally different from what i hear on tv, and i am in constant dialogue with them.


Why don't they talk to the press?


:lmao :lmao :lmao Chump to the tree of woe :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You having the doubt and telling me sounds like your trying to insult me with your intelligence?... You choose to believe what you want, but anyone falling for this is greatly misinformed. Study histroy, better yet, just read the constitution.

:lol tea party Constitution rhetoric? Couldn't have pigeonholed your self better. Nice mindless flail though.

What facet of history would you care to discuss? Regardless of history as pertains to current events there is still no good census on the rebel factions. And it definitely seems that you don't understand the difference between a qualification and a quantification or how it relates to the issue of census.

DERP CONSTITUTION!!!!! DERP DERPY DERP!!!!!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The people who read it the least whine about it the most.

What I want to know is that if they have no internet and no phone then how does he get updates from them constantly. I smell bullshit.

[cheguevara]

What I want to know is that if they have no internet and no phone then how does he get updates from them constantly. I smell bullshit.

I can only guess they probably have intermittent cellular service

[ChumpDumper]

bullshit




:lmao :lmao :lmao Chump to the tree of woe :lolconstant dialogue

Che is severely butthurt, only cares about me now -- not Syria or the US for that manner.

He's upset that he never learned Farsi and didn't live in a war zone.

[ChumpDumper]

I can only guess they probably have intermittent cellular serviceHe said constant and he has multiple sources.

Looks like it wouldn't be hard to pick up a phone and call a talk show, but maybe it is.

[SA210]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao Erin Brocovich

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao Erin BrocovichSA210 still salty about admitting he lied.


Post more about me and not the topic.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

whitemamba, you have arrived. You now have the credibility that having che and SA210 alongside brings. Congrats. You get WC and/or boutox as well and you are golden.

[cheguevara]

constant dialogue


... all along.

:lol

[SA210]

:lmao chump still salty from the chumpgate 9/11 thread and hasn't let it go

:lmao Erin Brocovich comment poured salt on his wounds

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In fairness though, WM, you don't exhibit the sad sad defense mechanisms and emotional limitations that those two do. I will not equate you to them. That wouldn't be fair.

[SA210]

Fuzzy salty :lol

[ChumpDumper]

The best part of it is a self-proclaimed political activist and another champion of alternative media is telling everyone that whitemamba would be wasting his time calling the Alex Jones show to tell his audience of his family's plight.

All because I suggested it.

That's how butthurt they are.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The best part of it is a self-proclaimed political activist and another champion of alternative media is telling everyone that whitemamba would be wasting his time calling the Alex Jones show to tell his audience of his family's plight.

All because I suggested it.

That's how butthurt they are.

Be careful. SA210 might need to bolster his ego and pretend like he was able to make you mad.

[ChumpDumper]

He'll just make it all about me. He's got nothing to say about the OP or whitemamba's family..

[SA210]

77, 400 posts. The leader in actual post counts of the entire forum....all consisting of following posters around chasing male tail at all hours of the day and night online for more than a decade while changing topics and arguing nothing but petty crap..

Yea, we all know who the butthurt one is :lmao :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Told ya.

[ChumpDumper]

Honestly i'd rather talk about the topics raised here.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Be careful. SA210 might need to bolster his ego and pretend like he was able to make you mad.


He'll just make it all about me. He's got nothing to say about the OP or whitemamba's family..


77, 400 posts. The leader in actual post counts of the entire forum....all consisting of following posters around chasing male tail at all hours of the day and night online for more than a decade while changing topics and arguing nothing but petty crap..

Yea, we all know who the butthurt one is :lmao :lmao

He's like a trained monkey.

Dance monkey dance.

[SA210]

He's like a trained monkey.

Dance monkey dance.

Don't be so angry, monkey. I thought you didn't care what I said.. :lmao

[SA210]

Honestly i'd rather talk about the topics raised here.

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Don't be so angry, monkey. I thought you didn't care what I said.. :lmao

I don't know if that is the right way to describe it. I get amusement to an extent from what you say but it is in a way that I feel debases myself a bit. Pity and amused contempt are not productive. I can see that.

It's more along the lines of your actual takes on anything in no way influence what my takes on particular things are. It's not that I don't care per se.

[pgardn]

:toast

Thanks man, always willing to discuss it with some rational minds.

Yet another into the fruitbat lair.
Is this yet another example of the vocal minority drowning out the silent majority solely due to zealous insanity?

The question is rhetorical in nature.
Good God...

[m>s]

Yet another into the fruitbat lair.
Is this yet another example of the vocal minority drowning out the silent majority solely due to zealous insanity?

The question is rhetorical in nature.
Good God...

you must be an incredibly weak minded person IRL the way you constantly defend the status quo and US government honor. we'll get you some knee pads and a bib so you can keep your TSA uniform nice and clean fag boy.

[pgardn]

He's like a trained monkey.

Dance monkey dance.

I don't know the history of this owner pet relationship, it does appear that the chumpster has a trained chump.
Amazing one can accomplish this online.

[pgardn]

you must be an incredibly weak minded person IRL the way you constantly defend the status quo and US government honor. we'll get you some knee pads and a bib so you can keep your TSA uniform nice and clean fag boy.

Ouch.

Bite me Nazi puss.

[Axegrinder]

Why so many nazi Mavs fans? Dirk?

[pgardn]

Why so many nazi Mavs fans? Dirk?

One special poster has not been around.
I would guess two or three accounts.

[m>s]

your little cocker spaniel is also pretty much invisible, guy i wouldnt puff your chest out after just getting verbally raped

[pgardn]

your little cocker spaniel is also pretty much invisible, guy i wouldnt puff your chest out after just getting verbally raped

Bite me Nazi trash.

[whitemamba]

:lol tea party Constitution rhetoric? Couldn't have pigeonholed your self better. Nice mindless flail though.

What facet of history would you care to discuss? Regardless of history as pertains to current events there is still no good census on the rebel factions. And it definitely seems that you don't understand the difference between a qualification and a quantification or how it relates to the issue of census.

DERP CONSTITUTION!!!!! DERP DERPY DERP!!!!!

afghanistan in the 80s, vietnam, iraq Twice, libya.. etc.. are u fucking serious? the us has no god damn credibility at all, they are at the center of all this bull shit, the US military has been slowly invading the middle east for years, and has been trying to get to iran, thats the god damn plan..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw


I can only guess they probably have intermittent cellular service
I actually said that, i guess hes not reading my posts, they have cell reception and land lines pretty often, but depending on the altercations in the area, they lose all connection to the outside world.


What I want to know is that if they have no internet and no phone then how does he get updates from them constantly. I smell bullshit.

Read my fucking posts, I said they have phones for the most part, and internet comes and goes, quit trying to fucking spin shit.


Yet another into the fruitbat lair.
Is this yet another example of the vocal minority drowning out the silent majority solely due to zealous insanity?

The question is rhetorical in nature.
Good God...

o jesus.

[diego]

You wonder why I consider Russia an enemy? I suppose that is Cold War thinking. At the same time there interests are directly the opposite of our own.

Syria is our enemy because they cooperate with Iran and their political proxies in the region which in turn causes issues for our allies in the region ie Turkey, Israel, and the Arab states. Iran is our enemy because their leaders dub us the great Satan.

The American press is free because of the first amendment. Recall the backlash when Obama tried to force the AP to turn over sources and spy on them. That is a matter of course in Iran and Russian press. I know it is coopted and yes we have taken a back in civil liberties to a lot of EU countries but we are a hell of a lot freer than the opposing view.

So having conflicting interests is enough to be enemies?
Sorry but this is beyond COld war thinking. This is a childish insecurity complex. THE US WON. YOUR MILITARY HAS MORE THAN 50X THE CAPACITY OF THE RUSSIAN MILITARY, MORE THAN 10,000X THE SYRIAN MILITARY. Just because Russia doesnt vote the same as you at the UN, and because they *gasp* want to compete for resources doesnt make them an enemy. It makes them ANOTHER COUNTRY.

Ok, Syria helps Iran. Can you give me specific examples of the types and magnitude of problems they have caused the US and its allies? Are you comfortable that their list is smaller than yours? Is it really enough to justify bombing a country in the middle of a civil war?

As far as press, I think it is very difficult to quantify how many hells more freer your press is. But assuming that it is at the very least moderately freer- since when does free = accurate? Unless I totally misunderstood my philosophy courses in high school, they are completely disparate concepts. One could argue that a "free" press has a better chance to be accurate, but given the economic model of most press outlets I think you are grossly overstating that chance.

[pgardn]

People are so brainwashed by the media...


-Whitemamba

People who follow current events rely on some sort of source to gather information. Now that there are so many outlets we have to pick and choose what we deem credible. We are not in Syria. In order to carry out a chemical attack of this magnitude the perpetrators must have access to a sophisticated delivery system and it must be well coordinated.

So what group in Syria, at this time, has these capabilities? The military.

The fact that you have relatives living day to day in this mayhem is indeed sad. But in the end, for the people on this board, you are but another source of information. A person reads your posts and puts them up against everything else they have read and deem credible.

So tell me what being brainwashed by the media means in today's world?

We are supposed to believe what we read by a poster on ST who has relatives who know people who have access to information from the street? And this is more reliable than anything else WE read? Really?

There are people on this board that have a worldview that some of us deem ideological and static. It does not change, and it is not based on credible evidence. These people seek out information based on their idealology. They don't form opinions based on credible evidence. They instead seek evidence that fits their idealology. Rational people do not do this. So when you come on this board and state you are glad to share you views with rational people...

You can understand the skepticism I hope.

[pgardn]

As far as press, I think it is very difficult to quantify how many hells more freer your press is. But assuming that it is at the very least moderately freer- since when does free = accurate? Unless I totally misunderstood my philosophy courses in high school, they are completely disparate concepts. One could argue that a "free" press has a better chance to be accurate, but given the economic model of most press outlets I think you are grossly overstating that chance.

A free press also self critiques information accuracy. News outlets get punched by others if they are incorrect in their haste to be first with information.

What press do you read that you deem credible? Lets share sources since we all are after the same thing, the facts as we know them currently. Since we are not zealots and ideologues lets share.

[Axegrinder]

crickets

[diego]

A free press also self critiques information accuracy. News outlets get punched by others if they are incorrect in their haste to be first with information.

What press do you read that you deem credible? Lets share sources since we all are after the same thing, the facts as we know them currently. Since we are not zealots and ideologues lets share.

its one thing to be accurate, another to include all relevant information. Omission is the easiest and safest way to manipulate an argument. On top of that the "free" press' (corporate) ownership uses it to sell their products and the politicians that sell their products, and actual journalism takes a back seat to that and you get papers / news hours that barely contain actual news, let alone a comprehensive account of confirmed facts. Thats why its important to look at multiple sources. I dont have the time or the energy to follow all stories closely and I havent been doing so with this one (and I dont live in the US so I see some international media you probably arent familiar with). But I dont really need to know who fired what when the proposed solution is damaging for every party involved (save maybe Israel or oil speculators). And especially damaging for the supposed victims.

How is bombing a country in the middle of a civil war going to help? When the japanese did that to the chinese the entire world condemned them for being opportunistic cowards. Either take the weapons away or let them finish their war. If Assad wins then you can go after him, but bombing them doesnt help them and it doesnt help the US. Its hardly heroic to suckerpunch a bully from afar, less so if you run the risk of trampling his victims. Justice requires investigation and communication, piling more rubble and more bodies on top doesnt help. Regardless of whether the rebels are AQ or not, another US bomb run is only going to make the US more enemies in Syria and around the world. Especially considering the only other modern era chemical attack the US either looked the other way or actually helped, depending on your sources.

[TSA]

How is bombing a country in the middle of a civil war going to help? When the japanese did that to the chinese the entire world condemned them for being opportunistic cowards. Either take the weapons away or let them finish their war. If Assad wins then you can go after him, but bombing them doesnt help them and it doesnt help the US. Its hardly heroic to suckerpunch a bully from afar, less so if you run the risk of trampling his victims. Justice requires investigation and communication, piling more rubble and more bodies on top doesnt help. Regardless of whether the rebels are AQ or not, another US bomb run is only going to make the US more enemies in Syria and around the world. Especially considering the only other modern era chemical attack the US either looked the other way or actually helped, depending on your sources.


/thread

[angrydude]

A free press also self critiques information accuracy. News outlets get punched by others if they are incorrect in their haste to be first with information.

What press do you read that you deem credible? Lets share sources since we all are after the same thing, the facts as we know them currently. Since we are not zealots and ideologues lets share.

If you only read big US newspapers and watch cable news you are going to be really confused.

The internet is this amazing invention that lets people link thousands of different news sources together without having to read them all on a day by day basis. If you click around enough all of a sudden the bigger picture starts to emerge and you can make up your own mind as to what seems most likely to have actually happened.

[Wild Cobra]

If you only read big US newspapers and watch cable news you are going to be really confused.

The internet is this amazing invention that lets people link thousands of different news sources together without having to read them all on a day by day basis. If you click around enough all of a sudden the bigger picture starts to emerge and you can make up your own mind as to what seems most likely to have actually happened.
Yep.

Stay away from just one view. See what they all agree on, and what they disagree on. Parse and think about the facts presented and ignore the journalists opinion. In reviewing more than one source, you will find relevant facts omitted by others.

[symple19]

How is bombing a country in the middle of a civil war going to help? When the japanese did that to the chinese the entire world condemned them for being opportunistic cowards. Either take the weapons away or let them finish their war. If Assad wins then you can go after him, but bombing them doesnt help them and it doesnt help the US. Its hardly heroic to suckerpunch a bully from afar, less so if you run the risk of trampling his victims. Justice requires investigation and communication, piling more rubble and more bodies on top doesnt help. Regardless of whether the rebels are AQ or not, another US bomb run is only going to make the US more enemies in Syria and around the world. Especially considering the only other modern era chemical attack the US either looked the other way or actually helped, depending on your sources.

Truth bomb

[pgardn]

its one thing to be accurate, another to include all relevant information. Omission is the easiest and safest way to manipulate an argument. On top of that the "free" press' (corporate) ownership uses it to sell their products and the politicians that sell their products, and actual journalism takes a back seat to that and you get papers / news hours that barely contain actual news, let alone a comprehensive account of confirmed facts. Thats why its important to look at multiple sources. I dont have the time or the energy to follow all stories closely and I havent been doing so with this one (and I dont live in the US so I see some international media you probably arent familiar with). But I dont really need to know who fired what when the proposed solution is damaging for every party involved (save maybe Israel or oil speculators). And especially damaging for the supposed victims.

How is bombing a country in the middle of a civil war going to help? When the japanese did that to the chinese the entire world condemned them for being opportunistic cowards. Either take the weapons away or let them finish their war. If Assad wins then you can go after him, but bombing them doesnt help them and it doesnt help the US. Its hardly heroic to suckerpunch a bully from afar, less so if you run the risk of trampling his victims. Justice requires investigation and communication, piling more rubble and more bodies on top doesnt help. Regardless of whether the rebels are AQ or not, another US bomb run is only going to make the US more enemies in Syria and around the world. Especially considering the only other modern era chemical attack the US either looked the other way or actually helped, depending on your sources.

The 2nd paragraph is totally off subject. Even though I agree with the main point, or at least question the strategy.

I asked you WHERE you get your information. I can decide for myself if it is reasonable.
I don't need more corporate/press conspiracy theories. I need to know where you get your information.

[pgardn]

Truth bomb

That failed to deploy...

[pgardn]

If you only read big US newspapers and watch cable news you are going to be really confused.

The internet is this amazing invention that lets people link thousands of different news sources together without having to read them all on a day by day basis. If you click around enough all of a sudden the bigger picture starts to emerge and you can make up your own mind as to what seems most likely to have actually happened.

Not if you read State run media and nut case blogs.
One cannot read everything.
Give us your best sites.

[SA210]

pgrdn in denial :lol

[pgardn]

pgrdn in denial :lol

No.

I just don't guzzle snake oil like your retarded ass.

Uhh... How was 9/11 covered up?
Shit, I forgot, you explained how the Gov. silenced hundreds of people involved.
Hell, probably thousands. Could we get that again please?

[SA210]

:lol now you exaggerate with extremes

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol now you exaggerate with extremes

Describing something that you in fact did is not an exaggeration, chachi.

[Axegrinder]

Describing something that you in fact did is not an exaggeration, chachi. Now that's some funny shit:lmao chachi

[Technique]

No.

I just don't guzzle snake oil like your retarded ass.

Uhh... How was 9/11 covered up?
Shit, I forgot, you explained how the Gov. silenced hundreds of people involved.
Hell, probably thousands. Could we get that again please?

Hahahahaaha you're a funny dude

[SA210]

Describing something that you in fact did is not an exaggeration, chachi.

Sorry..I couldn't understand u w Obama's dick in ur mouth lol

[ChumpDumper]

Chachi loves Putin

[SA210]

^^ another pussy with Obama cock in his mouth

[ChumpDumper]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/Scott_Baio_320x240.jpg

[SA210]

Good show :tu

[Axegrinder]

SO much worse getting Chachi-rolled than Rick-rolled :lol

[pgardn]

The 2nd paragraph is totally off subject. Even though I agree with the main point, or at least question the strategy.


I asked you WHERE you get your information. I can decide for myself if it is reasonable.
I don't need more corporate/press conspiracy theories. I need to know where you get your information.


http://en.rsf.org/IMG/jpg/2013_wpfi_world_press_freedom_map.jpg


So with above in mind (yes I realize the criteria in this rating system is not bullet proof) where do people go to get information off the Internet realizing that there are thousands of sources, some of which have very clear agendas?


One might think Finland (ranked #1), yet Finland does not have people on the ground and sources to compare with for example the BBC, The Guardian, The NY Times. Just because a country allows for more press freedom does not automatically imply that their press will not have an ideological bend. I think readers in the UK and US would classify the aforementioned news organizations as more liberal.


So I make a plea for sharing and reason and this is what I get...

I dont have the time or the energy to follow all stories closely and I havent been doing so with this one (and I dont live in the US so I see some international media you probably arent familiar with).

-Diego


And from a relatively sane poster as far as I can tell.

I can only conclude that putting up sources will cause ridicule by posters who most likely have sources that have a clear ideology and, in the case of Che, SA10, etc... are most likely written by fruitbats.

[diego]

pgardn, part of my point was that its not very useful to just list sources. Circumstances dictate for each story what sources are "best". Even the best paper can make mistakes, whether it be factual inaccuracy or editorial stupidity. The only paper I consider "above" the rest is the guardian and like I said I dont trust anything and everything they publish.

Many many times even when you do follow a story closely and read every paper, you are still left with doubts as to what "really" happened. In this case i think that is the most likely outcome and that is part of the reason I havent followed closely. The other is that I live thousands of miles away from both syria and the US and it barely affects me. If I were from the US or lived in the US I would be out protesting, for sure (as I did in the aftermath of 9/11, against the patriot act and attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq).

[Joseph Kony]

fucking chump and sa210 fagging up another thread with their sexual tension. your arguments are so fucking retarded and childish. grow up pussies

[ChumpDumper]

Why the troll?

[Wild Cobra]

Why the troll?
What's wrong? Don't like competition?

[ChumpDumper]

What's wrong? Don't like competition?I was referring to the different screen name, genius.

[SA210]

What's wrong? Don't like competition?

:lol

[Blake]

Sorry..I couldn't understand u w Obama's dick in ur mouth lol

You couldn't understand because you're unintelligent.

Now get back to changing quotes and other such spam.

[pgardn]

still no proof who ACTUALLY gassed on 21 Aug



So now what do you say and what was obvious all along?

[Ignignokt]

So now what do you say and what was obvious all along?

The best thing to do is let assad finish of the AQ rebels, then demand assad to remove his chemical weapons, if the case can be made that those weapons would end up being a threat to our citizens in the future. But going in there and then holding "democracy" is noob neocon shit that is going to backfire.

[Wild Cobra]

I was referring to the different screen name, genius.
LOL...

That flew right over your head, troll...

[ChumpDumper]

LOL...

That flew right over your head, troll...Seems like it flew right over your head since I had to explain it to you, liar.

[SA210]

LOL...

That flew right over your head, troll...

:lol It did