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ambchang
09-09-2013, 04:44 PM
It really has been a while since we have seen a player as dominant as Shaq in his heydays. Someone who can put up 40/15 in the finals like it's another day in the office. In the playoffs, the Spurs, with the Admiral, Duncan and Rose double and tripling him, not to mention having the entire defense focusing on him and ignoring everybody else, were the only team that really limited Shaq in a series. However, the Spurs lost the war as they allowed role players to step up and were swept in that series.

The only way to really stop Shaq for an entire series is to deny him the ball, but unfortunately to the opposition, Shaq had great hands and agility, and can catch anything that was thrown to him.

My question is, was there one single player who could stop Shaq in his prime? I couldn't think of any.

Michael Jordan.
09-09-2013, 04:48 PM
It really has been a while since we have seen a player as dominant as Shaq in his heydays. Someone who can put up 40/15 in the finals like it's another day in the office. In the playoffs, the Spurs, with the Admiral, Duncan and Rose double and tripling him, not to mention having the entire defense focusing on him and ignoring everybody else, were the only team that really limited Shaq in a series. However, the Spurs lost the war as they allowed role players to step up and were swept in that series.

The only way to really stop Shaq for an entire series is to deny him the ball, but unfortunately to the opposition, Shaq had great hands and agility, and can catch anything that was thrown to him.

My question is, was there one single player who could stop Shaq in his prime? I couldn't think of any.
Kobe.

spurraider21
09-09-2013, 05:21 PM
Kobe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaZu15iJE94

Leetonidas
09-09-2013, 05:22 PM
Kobe.

:lmao

Spur-Addict
09-09-2013, 05:33 PM
Kobe.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u97/tyleramaro/daaaaaaaaamn.jpg


:lmao

Katherine Robinson
09-09-2013, 05:49 PM
Stopped, no. He was limited by defensive schemes, usually a team's main producer isn't stopped. He is either limited or the offensive threat of the team is contained to one or two players.

Kidd K
09-09-2013, 05:53 PM
Kobe.

Funniest shit about this post is this guy's user name tbh.

Michael Jordan has spoken.

lefty
09-09-2013, 07:17 PM
Kobe.
http://replygif.net/i/893.gif

DMC
09-09-2013, 08:52 PM
He sets them up, he knocks them down.

ezau
09-09-2013, 09:12 PM
Michael Jordan is one badass m'fer:lol

Kool Bob Love
09-10-2013, 01:27 AM
Kobe.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/563671_10151465929398463_687941925_n.jpg

Kool Bob Love
09-10-2013, 01:29 AM
Michael Jordan is one badass m'fer:lol

http://i.imgur.com/lAZ1L.gif

HI-FI
09-10-2013, 01:50 AM
ambchang definitely deserves an assist with dat one, though MJ had the dunk from the FT line.

it's the truth though, no one could stop him straight up, but getting stabbed in the back from a rapist was too much tbh.

Capt Bringdown
09-10-2013, 05:53 AM
Man called Hakeem. Shaq still got his numbers in that Orlando series, but Hakeem was the more dominant player.

Leetonidas
09-10-2013, 06:39 AM
Lakerfan avoiding this thread as well :lol

AchillesHeel
09-10-2013, 06:51 AM
Kobe.

Simple. :lmao Yet effective. :lmao

ambchang
09-10-2013, 07:36 AM
What the GOAT said has a lot of truth, so I looked up whether this was true, and found this article:

http://www.82games.com/kobeshaq.htm



Predictably, Shaq's field goal attempts, free throw attempts and points per 40 minutes increase when he's playing without Kobe, and his overall offensive scoring efficiency increases by a hefty 7.1 points per 100 possessions. His FG% also improves without Bryant alongside. The only stat with significant dropoff is his blocks per 40 minutes, where for some reason he gets about half as many without Kobe.

Interesting indeed.


The article also showed how Lakers playing with Shaq but no Kobe has a +/- of +57, while having a +/- of -67 when they played Kobe but no Shaq.

Split up, Shaq proves to be the player that makes the most difference to winning and losing (at least with the 03-04 Lakers), by a considerable margin -- a raw +57 plus/minus without Kobe looks pretty good next to Kobe's -67 plus/minus without Shaquille, and on a per 48 minute basis it's +3.8 for Shaq alone to -4.6 for Kobe alone.

Captivus
09-10-2013, 08:50 AM
Kobe.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3958217/pole-bang-o.gif

Clipper Nation
09-10-2013, 09:18 AM
:lol Lakerfan can't even respond to this shit....

Bynumite
09-10-2013, 10:55 AM
Kobe.

Agreed. That's why Shaq is on the shit end of the 2>1 stick... tee, hee :lol

On topic, Hakeem outplayed, didn't dominate Shaq. Shaq still put up monster numbers against Hakeem.

During the 3peat years, Kobe stepped up against the west, then came the no name eastern big men.

AchillesHeel
09-10-2013, 11:22 AM
Agreed. That's why Shaq is on the shit end of the 2>1 stick... tee, hee :lol

On topic, Hakeem outplayed, didn't dominate Shaq. Shaq still put up monster numbers against Hakeem.

During the 3peat years, Kobe stepped up against the west, then came the no name eastern big men.

And who exactly guarded Kirby that was so special from 00-02? Why didn't he "dominate" the Finals? Even when Kirby was at his best in the Western Conference, Shaq still managed to do better.

ambchang
09-10-2013, 11:36 AM
And who exactly guarded Kirby that was so special from 00-02? Why didn't he "dominate" the Finals? Even when Kirby was at his best in the Western Conference, Shaq still managed to do better.

A 49 year old Steve Smith.

Holden_Caulfield
09-10-2013, 12:19 PM
:lmao

Michael Jordan.
09-10-2013, 12:46 PM
Agreed. That's why Shaq is on the shit end of the 2>1 stick... tee, hee :lol

On topic, Hakeem outplayed, didn't dominate Shaq. Shaq still put up monster numbers against Hakeem.

During the 3peat years, Kobe stepped up against the west, then came the no name eastern big men.

In those years, Kobe shot 44%, 43%, and 46% in the playoffs. Taking more shots than Shaq 2 out of 3 years, but converting at a lower rate. When it came to the finals, Daddy took more shots all three years while being super efficient. Bryant, the overrated chucker, couldn't hit the side of the barn being left wide open and even if a naked white girl wasstanding right in front of him. Shaq's shooting percentage those years in the playoffs? 45%, 52%, 64%., averaging about 15 rebounds a game and that's leaving out the 40/20 Shaq was good for in the finals. . Kobe? 7, 5, 5. Now that's clutch.

elmanutres
09-10-2013, 05:47 PM
Kobe.


http://www.healthcentral.com/common/images/1/19598_6213_5.jpg

Michael Jordan.
09-13-2013, 09:28 AM
Hot damn I ts quiet in here

SanAntonioSpurs23
09-13-2013, 11:42 AM
:lol

DJR210
09-13-2013, 08:09 PM
Yes.

His name, is Malik Rose.

Killakobe81
09-16-2013, 11:53 AM
Shaq was pretty damn dominant ... 1 on 1 in his prime he could not be stopped except by flops.
Of course he would perform better without Kobe for stretches because those Laker teams were built around two stars and role players that would thrive on feeding the post and working the offense. But to win a title you need someone to create offense when the better teams limit your primary sets. Kobe was the best at this of Shaq's #2's (or 1B's) since Wade really was the #1 option in Miami's first title ...

LOL weak troll attempt but the Kobe line WAS funny ...

Phillip
09-16-2013, 11:58 AM
meh, blaming kobe is retarded. the only person who stopped Shaq was himself, with his lack of dedication and laziness.

if he had Kobe's work ethic, and focused on staying in shape and developed his game further (with a few more moves and a midrange J... or heck, if he at least learned to shoot FTs at a 70-80% clip), he would have been unquestionably the greatest player of all time, dwarfing MJ and Kareem.

despite all that, he still is probably the most unstoppable single player to ever play the game. takes a LOT of scheming to limit his effectiveness, probably more than any other player ever.

Killakobe81
09-16-2013, 12:03 PM
meh, blaming kobe is retarded. the only person who stopped Shaq was himself, with his lack of dedication and laziness.

if he had Kobe's work ethic, and focused on staying in shape and developed his game further (with a few more moves and a midrange J... or heck, if he at least learned to shoot FTs at a 70-80% clip), he would have been unquestionably the greatest player of all time, dwarfing MJ and Kareem.

despite all that, he still is probably the most unstoppable single player to ever play the game. takes a LOT of scheming to limit his effectiveness, probably more than any other player ever.

absolutely. That is why Shaq is not my favorite Laker because he let true Greatness (GOAT) slip by not developing his game further. Malone, Duncan improved their games (Duncan was pretty sound anyway) developing range and improving FT shooting. He made some lame excuses for his FT and let his body breakdown all that weight on those knees it's surprising he lasted as long as he did.

Great player despite all of that but should of been GOAT.

spurraider21
11-29-2014, 01:12 AM
:lol

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10369585_10152864050276425_1838558519358248781_n.j pg?oh=b83e768978daaa51957a27cc019a2909&oe=54D70306

Silver&Black
11-29-2014, 01:14 AM
BBQ chicken

lefty
11-29-2014, 02:15 AM
Shaq recently said in Open Court that he hated playing vs Bryant Reeves