Well Done Colorado, Morse and Giron Ousted in Recall

[TSA]

:makemyday

http://news.yahoo.com/2-colo-lawmakers-ousted-gun-control-recalls-065302400.html

DENVER (AP) — Two Democratic state lawmakers who backed tighter gun laws in the aftermath of mass shootings have been kicked out of office in a recall election promoted by both grassroots activists and the National Rifle Association.

Senate President John Morse lost by just 343 votes Tuesday in a swing district in the Republican stronghold of Colorado Springs but Sen. Angela Giron lost by a bigger margin in a largely blue-collar district that favors Democrats.

The NRA said the election sent a clear message to lawmakers that they should protect gun rights and be accountable to their constituents, not to "anti-gun billionaires" — a swipe against New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who supported Giron and Morse.

Democrats will still maintain control of the state Legislature and the laws are expected to remain in place.

"The loss of this senate seat is purely symbolic," Morse said.

"It's a shot across the bow to prove that Colorado isn't a colony of Michael Bloomberg or John Hickenlooper. We are a people who believe in personal freedom, including the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms," potential Republican gubernatorial candidate Tom Tancredo said Wednesday.

Hickenlooper, who kept a low profile during the campaign, said he was disappointed in the election's results.

"It's now time we refocus again on what unites Coloradans — creating jobs, educating our children, creating a healthier state — and on finding ways to keep Colorado moving forward," he said in a statement.

Angered by new limits on ammunition magazines and expanded background checks, gun-rights activists tried to recall a total of four lawmakers but only succeeded in launching efforts against Morse and Giron. It was the first for state legislators since Colorado adopted the procedure in 1912.

Democratic state Sen. Angela Giron gives her concession speech after she lost in a recall vote in Pu …The recalls were seen as the latest chapter in the national debate over gun rights — and, for some, a warning to lawmakers in swing states who might contemplate gun restrictions in the future. But the vote also exposed divisions between the growing urban and suburban areas and more rural areas in a state where support for guns hasn't really been a partisan issue. Dozens of elected county sheriffs have sued to block the gun laws and some activists are promoting a largely symbolic measure to secede from the state.

The gun control debate was one of the most emotionally charged of Colorado's legislative session this year. President Barack Obama added to the attention on the Colorado Statehouse as his administration unsuccessfully pushed Congress to enact similar gun controls.

The debate was prodded by the mass shootings at an Aurora movie theater in July 2012 and at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., in December. The new gun laws were major victories for Colorado Democrats, who rallied majorities in the House and Senate this spring to pass them without Republican support.

Both legislators voted for 15-round limits on ammunition magazines and for expanded background checks on private gun sales after the 2012 mass shootings in Aurora and Newtown, Conn.

Reported contributions to Morse and Giron totaled about $3 million, dwarfing the amount raised by gun activists who petitioned for the recall, though some independent groups didn't have to report spending. Both the NRA and Bloomberg contributed more than $300,000 to the pro- and anti-recall campaigns.


"This should serve as a warning that the Democrats in the Legislature must be more balanced in the upcoming session. Governor Hickenlooper should also realize that his inability to control the Legislature could be very costly," said state senator and GOP gubernatorial hopeful Greg Brophy.

Morse, a former police chief in a Colorado Springs suburb, was first elected to the Senate in 2006. He will be replaced by Republican Bernie Herpin. Giron will be replaced by former Pueblo police officer George Rivera.

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[boutons_deux]

only because the fucked up recall voting laws and the debate around them caused a super low turnout, mainly just gun fellators.

[George Gervin's Afro]

:makemyday

http://news.yahoo.com/2-colo-lawmakers-ousted-gun-control-recalls-065302400.html

DENVER (AP) — Two Democratic state lawmakers who backed tighter gun laws in the aftermath of mass shootings have been kicked out of office in a recall election promoted by both grassroots activists and the National Rifle Association.

Senate President John Morse lost by just 343 votes Tuesday in a swing district in the Republican stronghold of Colorado Springs but Sen. Angela Giron lost by a bigger margin in a largely blue-collar district that favors Democrats.

The NRA said the election sent a clear message to lawmakers that they should protect gun rights and be accountable to their constituents, not to "anti-gun billionaires" — a swipe against New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who supported Giron and Morse.

Democrats will still maintain control of the state Legislature and the laws are expected to remain in place.

"The loss of this senate seat is purely symbolic," Morse said.

"It's a shot across the bow to prove that Colorado isn't a colony of Michael Bloomberg or John Hickenlooper. We are a people who believe in personal freedom, including the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms," potential Republican gubernatorial candidate Tom Tancredo said Wednesday.

Hickenlooper, who kept a low profile during the campaign, said he was disappointed in the election's results.

"It's now time we refocus again on what unites Coloradans — creating jobs, educating our children, creating a healthier state — and on finding ways to keep Colorado moving forward," he said in a statement.

Angered by new limits on ammunition magazines and expanded background checks, gun-rights activists tried to recall a total of four lawmakers but only succeeded in launching efforts against Morse and Giron. It was the first for state legislators since Colorado adopted the procedure in 1912.

Democratic state Sen. Angela Giron gives her concession speech after she lost in a recall vote in Pu …The recalls were seen as the latest chapter in the national debate over gun rights — and, for some, a warning to lawmakers in swing states who might contemplate gun restrictions in the future. But the vote also exposed divisions between the growing urban and suburban areas and more rural areas in a state where support for guns hasn't really been a partisan issue. Dozens of elected county sheriffs have sued to block the gun laws and some activists are promoting a largely symbolic measure to secede from the state.

The gun control debate was one of the most emotionally charged of Colorado's legislative session this year. President Barack Obama added to the attention on the Colorado Statehouse as his administration unsuccessfully pushed Congress to enact similar gun controls.

The debate was prodded by the mass shootings at an Aurora movie theater in July 2012 and at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., in December. The new gun laws were major victories for Colorado Democrats, who rallied majorities in the House and Senate this spring to pass them without Republican support.

Both legislators voted for 15-round limits on ammunition magazines and for expanded background checks on private gun sales after the 2012 mass shootings in Aurora and Newtown, Conn.

Reported contributions to Morse and Giron totaled about $3 million, dwarfing the amount raised by gun activists who petitioned for the recall, though some independent groups didn't have to report spending. Both the NRA and Bloomberg contributed more than $300,000 to the pro- and anti-recall campaigns.


"This should serve as a warning that the Democrats in the Legislature must be more balanced in the upcoming session. Governor Hickenlooper should also realize that his inability to control the Legislature could be very costly," said state senator and GOP gubernatorial hopeful Greg Brophy.

Morse, a former police chief in a Colorado Springs suburb, was first elected to the Senate in 2006. He will be replaced by Republican Bernie Herpin. Giron will be replaced by former Pueblo police officer George Rivera.

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By the NRA.. lol

How did they do in 2012?

[Th'Pusher]

:lol A symbolic abuse of the recall system

[CosmicCowboy]

:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry


:lol

[TSA]

The people have spoken

[boutons_deux]

DNC Chair On Colorado Recalls: ‘This Was Voter Suppression, Pure And Simple’“The recall elections in Colorado were defined by the vast array of obstacles that special interests threw in the way of voters for the purpose of reversing the will of the legislature and the people,” Wasserman Schultz said in a statement. (http://www.democrats.org/news/press/dnc_chair_debbie_wasserman_schultzs_statement_on_c olorado_recall_election_r) “This was voter suppression, pure and simple.”


“Colorado voters are used to casting their ballots by mail, but because of lawsuits filed by opponents of common-sense gun reform, voters were not mailed their ballots in this election,” she elaborated. “Those who intended to vote in person did not learn their polling locations until less than two weeks before Election Day. Tuesday’s low turnout was a result of efforts by the NRA, the Koch brothers and other right-wing groups who know that when more people vote, Democrats win.”

http://www.nationalmemo.com/dnc-chair-on-colorado-recalls-this-was-voter-suppression-pure-and-simple/

:lol The only way the right-wing wins is by lying and voter suppression.

[m>s]

:cry

[Th'Pusher]

It's just a stupid use of recall. Recall should be reserved for major grievances, not because you didn't like how someone voted. That's why we have election cycles. Especially considering the law is going to remain in place. This accomplished nothing.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao @ quoting Wasserman Shultz.

[Th'Pusher]

How much did the recall election cost? Was that a good use of taxpayer funds considering the law remains in place?

[CosmicCowboy]

How much did the recall election cost? Was that a good use of taxpayer funds considering the law remains in place?

Would you support a recall of Rick Perry if you thought it would be successful?

You are just whining because it was liberal democrats that got punked in the election.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Would you support a recall of Rick Perry if you thought it would be successful?

You are just whining because it was liberal democrats that got punked in the election.

sort of like how conservatives are continually getting punked nationally

[Th'Pusher]

Would you support a recall of Rick Perry if you thought it would be successful?

You are just whining because it was liberal democrats that got punked in the election.

If he did something unethical I would support a recall, otherwise, that's what an election cycle is for. Not everyone is an ideologue like you.

[TSA]

"Giron's district in Pueblo County, where Democrats comprise 47 percent of all registered voters and Republicans just 23 percent, Democrats have the vote lead, but there's a catch. Pueblo is a blue-collar, blue-dog Democratic town and 20 percent of the voters who signed petitions to recall the senator were Democrats."

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_24061438/colorado-recall-elections-underway-morse-giron

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The people have spoken

Some of them but really they need to incentives for better voter participation.

[TSA]

Interesting look at the demographics and contributions.

http://atlasproject.net/daily-blog/a-crash-course-on-the-colorado-recalls/

:lol Bloomberg

This is another favorable indicator for Democrats, as Republicans trail badly in the money race. In total, Democratic groups have raised over $2.6 million and spent almost $2.3 million in the two races. Republican interests have raised not even $523,000 and spent less than $482,000. Clearly, Democrats are taking the recall threat seriously and are both better funded and better organized.

[Th'Pusher]

Some of them but really they need to incentives for better voter participation.

No. THey just need to wait for the next election.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Interesting look at the demographics and contributions.

http://atlasproject.net/daily-blog/a-crash-course-on-the-colorado-recalls/

:lol Bloomberg


Morse — whose county strongly backed Mitt Romney in 2012 —

yeah really interesting...

[boutons_deux]

so a politician votes for something like b/g checks and gets recalled by the NRA? what a fucking country you assholes taint with your shilling for the gun industry.

2nd Amendment? marans! :lol

[TSA]

"Much of those hefty sums has been spent on advertising. According to CMAG, the recalls have seen 2,490 spots air on broadcast TV as of September 3. Democrats dominate the airwaves with 2,346 of those spots. Despite with the national attention and conservative groundswell generated by these recalls, Republicans have aired just 144 spots on broadcast. All of that Republican advertising has come from outside groups, too, whereas most of the Democratic ads (1,252 spots) have originated from campaigns. Overall, outside groups account for 49.7% of the broadcast spot count. (A complete compendium of all advertising in the recalls can be found at the end of this post.) Note that these numbers do not account for the spots run only on cable, for which we do not have data."

[TSA]

so a politician votes for something like b/g checks and gets recalled by the NRA? what a fucking country you assholes taint with your shilling for the gun industry.

2nd Amendment? marans! :lol

They were recalled by the rural residents of CO that were tired of the Democrats bullshit, this was about more than just gun rights.

[TSA]

This article is so full of shit.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/colorado-recall-elections-chill-push-gun-laws/story?id=20227650


:cry This time was supposed to be different. :cry

After Newtown, Aurora and Tucson, gun-control advocates saw their best chance in a generation to tighten the nation's gun laws. That's how the argument went, at least.

But election results Tuesday in Colorado may serve as stark reminders of the continued power of the gun lobby. Two Democratic state senators lost their jobs because of new gun laws they helped pass, in races that played out as testing grounds for national messaging on both sides of the debate.

In a state that's trending Democratic and has seen terrible gun violence firsthand, money flowed in on both sides over the seats of two obscure state lawmakers. The results directly undermine hopes that new gun restrictions can be political winners, and are likely to further sap what momentum was left for tighter federal gun laws at the congressional level.

"Obviously, this is not going to be helpful," said Matt Bennett, a vice president at the centrist Democratic group Third Way, which has been working closely with the White House and key senators on federal gun-control efforts. "The NRA picked their spots carefully, and they went after them hard. There's always setbacks in the gun debate -- always."

The effort to recall Colorado Senate President John Morse and state Sen. Angela Giron was designed to send a message that would be heard far beyond the Rockies. Gun-rights groups originally sought to recall five Democrats from office -- enough to flip the majority to Republicans -- but would up getting enough signatures only to target the two who were recalled Tuesday.

Both lawmakers had supported a package of new gun restrictions that, among other things, expanded background checks into private sales and banned the sale of ammunition magazines holding more than 15 rounds.

The laws were part of a flurry of post-Sandy Hook, state-level action that saw tighter restrictions in states including Connecticut, Maryland, New York and Colorado.

Winning passage in Colorado was a signature achievement, given the gun culture of the West. Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper, a possible 2016 presidential candidate, abandoned previous skepticism over new gun laws to sign the measures.

With the battle joined, national money flowed in, including $360,000 from the National Rifle Association and additional backing from the Koch brothers' Americans for Prosperity.

Liberal groups rallied to the senators' defense, with Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz calling it the "worst election you've never heard of."

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg personally cut a $350,000 check. Bloomberg and his group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, wanted to send a message that backing new gun laws isn't dangerous to political survival. Notice this article conveniently left out the total contributions....................In total, Democratic groups have raised over $2.6 million and spent almost $2.3 million in the two races. Republican interests have raised not even $523,000 and spent less than $482,000. Clearly, Democrats are taking the recall threat seriously and are both better funded and better organized.

Giron, one of the ousted lawmakers, told The New Republic in August, "For Mayors Against Illegal Guns, if they lose even one of these seats, they might as well fold it up."

In the aftermath of the twin defeats, Bloomberg's group and its allies were explaining the results by emphasizing local factors, including vote-by-mail limitations and particulars about these two districts. Both elections were decided by a tiny sliver of voters -- Giron lost the more lopsided race, by some 4,000 votes -- and their opponents were able to flood pockets of the state with cheap ads because only two senators had their jobs on the line.

"Full speed ahead," Mark Glaze, executive director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told ABC News on Wednesday. "The lesson of yesterday is one we already knew: You can cherry-pick elections, spend a lot of money, and defeat and elect candidates. We will do exactly the same."

Glaze noted that the new gun laws will remain in effect in Colorado, potentially saving lives. His group -- along with the more-established Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and the relatively new Americans for Responsible Solutions, started by former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and her husband -- were providing an effective counter to the NRA's muscle, he said.

"The NRA, for two decades, was the only player in contests," Glaze said. "No one would show up to defend legislators, to protect the public. Now, lots of states are passing background-check laws and saving lives and living to tell the tale. The country has reached the tipping point, and there is now a counterpoint to the NRA."

Still, efforts at the federal level are stalled, if not stopped entirely. In April, the Senate rejected a pared-down bill expanding background checks, despite a bipartisan compromise that was being championed by the White House.

"This was a pretty shameful day in Washington," a visibly angry President Obama said in the aftermath. "If this Congress refuses to listen to the American people ... then the real impact is going to have to come from the voters." :lol It sure did

That's, in part, what makes Tuesday's results problematic for backers of gun control. They learned again that for all the emotions such issues can stir, people on the other side of the issue are more motivated to do something about it at the ballot box.

A Pew Research Center survey from May found that nearly half of gun owners see gun policy as an important voting issue, compared to just one-third of those who live in households without guns. Gun owners are also more likely to say they wouldn't vote for candidates who don't share their views on gun control.

Families of gun victims aren't giving up hope. They're seizing their latest lobbying opportunity next week, when a Senate panel convenes a hearing about controversial "stand your ground" laws that came to light during the George Zimmerman trial.

Third Way's Bennett said the recall results showed the importance of careful messaging. Voters in Colorado largely approve of the new background checks, he said, but the ammunition limits were easier to run campaigns against.

"People hated the magazine ban, but they really liked background checks," he said. "In the context of the congressional debate, there is some comfort there, even for folks in purplish states."

But with the congressional agenda getting more crowded by the day, the latest setback was difficult to digest for backers of gun control.

"It's been real hard to get any oxygen around here for anything," Bennett said

[TSA]

Some of them but really they need to incentives for better voter participation.

Examples of incentives?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Make it compulsory. National holiday.

Something needs to be done.

GOP types such as yourself seem to love to pat their backs on low turnout offseason elections and pretend 'the people have spoken.' It's not just isolated to this either. That and gerrymandering is how the GOP has maintained legitimacy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No. THey just need to wait for the next election.

American voter turnout is some of the worst in the developed world. Something needs to be done.

[TSA]

American voter turnout is some of the worst in the developed world. Something needs to be done.

Abolish the two party system and stop making people choose between two fucksticks.

[Wild Cobra]

Abolish the two party system and stop making people choose between two fucksticks.
Agreed. All we need to do that is to have runoff election style voting. It will take care of itself naturally from there.

[Th'Pusher]

Abolish the two party system and stop making people choose between two fucksticks.
And who's going to abolish the two party system? King George?

More thoughtless emotion babble.

[scott]

Would you support a recall of Rick Perry if you thought it would be successful?

No.

Recalls need to be looked at very seriously. If you think our political system is fucked up now, wait until recalls start getting used like they are second nature.

[Th'Pusher]

No.

Recalls need to be looked at very seriously. If you think our political system is fucked up now, wait until recalls start getting used like they are second nature.
Exactly. Imagine the recall being used like the threat of a filibuster is used in the senate.

[TSA]

And who's going to abolish the two party system? King George?

More thoughtless emotion babble.

Thank you for your ideas on how to improve voter turnout.

[TSA]

It's funny how the media keeps putting these recalls at the foot of the "gun lobby", claiming it was all the money the NRA donated that caused these recalls, yet they leave out that the anti-gun group out spent them 7:1.

This was a grassroots uprising that I personally followed from it's beginning on another forum. Pretty impressive if you ask me.

[boutons_deux]

gun fellators came out in great intensity and numbers than b/g check supporters. the confusion around the voting conditions didn't help

so NRA and gun fellators are against all b/g checks, cool. They're all soft on crime, enabling criminals to get unlimited guns. more guns = more gun violence and crime

[TSA]

gun fellators came out in great intensity and numbers than b/g check supporters. the confusion around the voting conditions didn't help

so NRA and gun fellators are against all b/g checks, cool. They're all soft on crime, enabling criminals to get unlimited guns. more guns = more gun violence and crime

Voting opened on 8/20 if I'm not mistaken, allowing plenty of time to find a polling station. 20% of Democrats that cast a vote were in favor of the recall as well. The anti-gunners contributed millions and still couldn't supress the people. Next time maybe they will listen to their constituents they claim to represent.



more guns = more gun violence and crimeThis has been proven false time and time again.

[TSA]

Times are changing :makemyday

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2013/09/12/chicago-repeals-its-gun-registry-permits.html

CHICAGO — Chicago reluctantly abolished a 45-year-old requirement that gun owners register their weapons with the city, marking a victory for advocates of gun rights such as the National Rifle Association.

The city council voted yesterday to end the gun registry, in place since 1968, to comply with court rulings against Chicago and Illinois gun-control laws, and to bring the city into line with a state concealed-carry law.

“I happen to think the court’s wrong. I think their interpretation is wrong,” Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel said of the rulings that forced Chicago to eliminate the registry. He spoke after the council voted.

Chicago has faced a wave of gang-related violence that pushed its murder rate to a five-year high in 2012. While the number of homicides is down this year, police have complained that the city is awash in guns.

The Chicago decision came a day after the gun-rights lobby scored a victory in Colorado, ousting two lawmakers who had supported gun control in the state legislature.

The powerful NRA, which boasts millions of gun owners as members, has successfully employed tactics, such as recalls and challenges to gun-control laws in court, as a way to get strict enforcement of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which sets out the right to bear arms.

“We’re glad the Chicago firearm registration is gone,” said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, the local affiliate of the NRA.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2010, in a case challenging Chicago’s gun restrictions, that every state and city must adhere to the Second Amendment. The ruling did not strike down the Chicago restrictions directly, but instead sent the case back to a federal appeals court for review.

In December 2012, the appeals court ruled that Illinois’ ban on concealed carry was unconstitutional and gave the state six months to create a law allowing guns to be carried in public.

Illinois approved a concealed-carry law in July, giving control of gun regulations to the state and essentially nullifying Chicago’s power to require that gun owners register their weapons and obtain a city firearms permit.

[Th'Pusher]

Thank you for your ideas on how to improve voter turnout.
My non-existent idea for improving voter turnout added as much value as your emotional untenable nonsense.

[boutons_deux]

This has been proven false time and time again.

false

more guns = more gun crime, deaths, suicides, violence, etc, etc.

[TSA]

My non-existent idea for improving voter turnout added as much value as your emotional untenable nonsense.That is an even better idea.

[TSA]

false

more guns = more gun crime, deaths, suicides, violence, etc, etc.

I await proof.

[spursncowboys]

They were both in my area I live in. Col Springs and Pueblo. This was all about gun rights. Both groups poured in huge amounts of money with pro-gun people outspending. The pro-gun groups kept playing commercials about how if the recall went through then girls who had miscarriages would be imprisoned. :lol wouldn't even stand on their vote.

But this is a conservative area. Both districts are in cities who voted to outlaw weed, after the state said cities would have to ability to decide if it should be legal or not.

[boutons_deux]

I await proof.

accidental deaths of kids, spouses, friends, hunters, all of whom would be alive without guns

huge percentage of suicides are by gun, It' So EEEZEE (and reliable)

etc, etc, etc.

[TSA]

accidental deaths of kids, spouses, friends, hunters, all of whom would be alive without gunsMore people die drowning in bathtubs each year that accidental killed by a gun. Next.


huge percentage of suicides are by gun, It' So EEEZEE (and reliable)


I really don't care how a pussy offs himself. Next.


Here is what you originally said, which said nothing about accidents/suicides. Still awaiting proof.

more guns = more gun violence and crime

[TSA]

This accomplished nothing.

You could not be more wrong.






Today, every legislator in the state was delivered a questionnaire. The wording was as follows:


"In an effort to understand where State legislators stand on Colorado’s new gun laws, we are writing to ask your position on key issues. As you are likely aware, we recently succeeded in the first successful recall of not one, but two, State officials in Colorado history.

As we consider our next endeavors, we wish to know where every legislator stands on a repeal of Colorado’s unlawful new gun restrictions.

Please take a moment to answer this simple, 2-question survey:

Will you vote for a repeal of Colorado’s new gun laws if given the opportunity in the 2014 legislative session? ___ YES or ___ NO

Would you support a Ballot Initiative that would repeal Colorado’s gun laws? ___ YES or ___ NO"


Here is the Press Release that was published today:

Colorado --- Signaling what their next battle may be, the founders of the Basic Freedom Defense Fund and Pueblo Freedom & Rights today issued a joint letter to all State legislators.

In the letter, they ask State legislators to answer two basic questions: Will you vote for a repeal of Colorado’s unconstitutional new gun laws in the 2014 legislative session? And Would you support a ballot initiative which would repeal the new gun laws?

The two groups were responsible for the first successful recalls of State officials in Colorado history – the recalls of State Senate President John Morse and State Senator Angela Giron. There has been much speculation about where the two groups will set their sights now.

"While we consider Tuesday’s election a significant victory, we realize that these egregious gun laws remain and we want to know where each and every Colorado State legislator stands on them,” said Jennifer Kerns, Spokeswoman for the recall effort. "It is a new day in Colorado and constituents expect their legislators to represent the will of the people. No one is immune from the reach of the grassroots efforts which powered these two recall elections.”

A similar letter is also being sent to all candidates who are running for office in 2014, including statehouse, state senate, Governor, and more. The Basic Freedom Defense Fund and Pueblo Freedom & Rights will publish the results of the survey on October 1.




http://www.basicfreedomdefensefund.org/

[Th'Pusher]

You could not be more wrong.






Today, every legislator in the state was delivered a questionnaire. The wording was as follows:


"In an effort to understand where State legislators stand on Colorado’s new gun laws, we are writing to ask your position on key issues. As you are likely aware, we recently succeeded in the first successful recall of not one, but two, State officials in Colorado history.

As we consider our next endeavors, we wish to know where every legislator stands on a repeal of Colorado’s unlawful new gun restrictions.

Please take a moment to answer this simple, 2-question survey:

Will you vote for a repeal of Colorado’s new gun laws if given the opportunity in the 2014 legislative session? ___ YES or ___ NO

Would you support a Ballot Initiative that would repeal Colorado’s gun laws? ___ YES or ___ NO"


Here is the Press Release that was published today:

Colorado --- Signaling what their next battle may be, the founders of the Basic Freedom Defense Fund and Pueblo Freedom & Rights today issued a joint letter to all State legislators.

In the letter, they ask State legislators to answer two basic questions: Will you vote for a repeal of Colorado’s unconstitutional new gun laws in the 2014 legislative session? And Would you support a ballot initiative which would repeal the new gun laws?

The two groups were responsible for the first successful recalls of State officials in Colorado history – the recalls of State Senate President John Morse and State Senator Angela Giron. There has been much speculation about where the two groups will set their sights now.

"While we consider Tuesday’s election a significant victory, we realize that these egregious gun laws remain and we want to know where each and every Colorado State legislator stands on them,” said Jennifer Kerns, Spokeswoman for the recall effort. "It is a new day in Colorado and constituents expect their legislators to represent the will of the people. No one is immune from the reach of the grassroots efforts which powered these two recall elections.”

A similar letter is also being sent to all candidates who are running for office in 2014, including statehouse, state senate, Governor, and more. The Basic Freedom Defense Fund and Pueblo Freedom & Rights will publish the results of the survey on October 1.




http://www.basicfreedomdefensefund.org/

So the laws are still in place. Got it.

[TSA]

It's retards like this pushing gun control.


http://twitchy.com/2013/09/18/gun-grabber-angela-giron-embarrasses-herself-again/


After last week’s historic Colorado recall, it’s no surprise to see the two recalled former state Senators trotted out to castigate Second Amendment defenders on liberal talk shows. On MSNBC’s “All In with Chris Hayes” last night, Angela Giron (last seen blaming her recall on “voter suppression”) blithely displayed the abject ignorance of those on the Left who salivate at the thought of restricting Americans’ rights to self-defense without knowing anything about the issue.

Here she is claiming that “you couldn’t have any more armed people than” were at the Navy Yard during Monday’s shooting.


Transcript:

[The NRA] is no longer a gun owner’s organization. It’s a manufacturer’s organization. And that’s how they’re benefiting. If you look at their board members, they’re all manufacturers; they’re all making money. And I think that the more we can inform people and inform NRA members about what’s really going on here. It’s just follow the money. And people are dying because of greed and their continuing to convince people that more guns equals safety. And in this case in particular, we can look at, it was a Navy Yard. You couldn’t have any more armed people than in that case right there. We know that that’s not the case; the data doesn’t show that. And so we just have to continue to be out there. [Emphasis added.]

Of course, the Navy Yard, like all military installations, has strict regulations against non-security gun possession:

Excepting military police and troops shooting under supervision at practice ranges, no person (regardless of rank) is today allowed to carry any weapon (including standard service pistols) onto any US military base or to keep any weapon, even stored securely, in his office or personal quarters.

But that’s not all. Giron, who championed universal background checks in Colorado, also claimed that shooting suspect Aaron Alexis probably wouldn’t have been able to pass a background check had he tried to purchase a gun:


Transcript:

Well in fact we know that in this particular case that this man who went and gunned down people would probably not have passed a background check had he went to purchase some firearms. So I mean what we’ve said all along is, well there is no perfect law, but certainly universal background checks, which 90 percent of Americans agree to and believe in, as well as 60 some percent of NRA members, and limiting capacity to 15 that is so reasonable…

As was widely reported and tweeted Monday evening, Aaron Alexis bought his shotgun legally. By early yesterday afternoon (hours before Giron’s segment aired), various news outlets had reported that Alexis bought the firearm at Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Va., two days before the shooting. An attorney for the store told the media that “the store ran a federal background check on Alexis and it was approved.”

More than two, actually. In addition to the background check performed by Sharpshooters Small Arms Range, Alexis also had to pass background checks in order to obtain a security clearance and a concealed-carry permit.

Clearly, universal background checks wouldn’t have made any difference in Alexis’ case.

It’s not the first time. Tucson, Ariz., shooter Jared Lee Loughner, Virginia Tech gunman Seung-Hui Cho, and Aurora, Colo., shooter James Holmes all passed background checks, despite having been previously diagnosed with mental health problems.

Of course, neither Chris Hayes nor Giron’s fellow recallee John Morse did anything to keep Giron from derping into complete stupidity. Luckily for Giron, the segment aired on MSNBC, so hardly anyone actually saw her idiocy.

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Burn.

gun grabbers won't listen because they don't want to listen. We're going to have to end up fighting them physically eventually.

[ChumpDumper]

So God is punishing Colorado for the recall now.

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there's no 2 ways about it. you try to take the guns ans we're going to fight. everything has already been said at this point, it's whatever ya'll wanna do.