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Nbadan
07-22-2005, 05:13 AM
Informative article for those of you who still have any doubts that a war with Iran is inevitable given the outcome of the recent Iranian elections and Iran's reluctance to give up its nuclear program. Like the Iraq war before it, war preparations against Iran are already well under way and W is busy playing the same sly game, avoiding the confrontation question, he played in the period during the Iraq war build-up...


There is no evidence that President Bush has already made the decision to attack Iran if Tehran proceeds with uranium-enrichment activities viewed in Washington as precursors to the manufacture of nuclear munitions. Top Administration officials are known to have argued in favor of military action if Tehran goes ahead with these plans--a step considered more likely with the recent election of arch-conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Iran's president--but Bush, so far as is known, has not yet made up his mind in the matter. One thing does appear certain, however: Bush has given the Defense Department approval to develop scenarios for such an attack and to undertake various preliminary actions. As was the case in 2002 regarding Iraq, the building blocks for an attack in Iran are beginning to be put into place.

We may never know exactly when President Bush made up his mind to invade Iraq--some analysts say the die was cast as early as November 2001; others claim it was not until October 2002--but whatever the case, it is beyond dispute that planning for the invasion was well advanced in July 2002, when British intelligence officials visited Washington and issued what has come to be known as the Downing Street memo, informing Prime Minister Tony Blair that war was nearly inevitable.

What these officials undoubtedly discovered--as was being reported in certain newspapers at the time--was that senior officers of the US Central Command (CENTCOM) in Tampa, Florida, had already been developing detailed scenarios for an invasion of Iraq and that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had been deeply involved in these preparations. On July 5, 2002, for example, the New York Times revealed that "an American military planning document calls for air, land, and sea-based forces to attack Iraq from three directions--the north, south, and west." Further details of this document and other blueprints for war appeared in the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal. At the same time, moreover, the Pentagon reportedly stepped up its aerial and electronic surveillance of military forces in Iraq.

This record is worth revisiting because of the many parallels to the current situation. Just as Bush gave ambiguous signals about his intentions regarding Iraq in 2002--denying that a decision had been made to invade but never ruling it out--so, today, he is giving similar signals with respect to Iran. "This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous," Bush declared in Belgium on February 22. He then added: "Having said that, all options are on the table." And, just as Bush's 2002 denials of an intent to invade Iraq were accompanied by intense preparations for just such an outcome, so, today, one can detect similar preparations for an attack on Iran.

Just what form such an attack might take has probably not yet been decided. Just as he considered several plans for an invasion of Iraq before settling on the plan described in the Times, Rumsfeld is no doubt considering a variety of options for action against Iran. These could range from a burst of air and missile attacks to a proxy war involving Iranian opposition militias or a full-scale US invasion. All have obvious advantages and disadvantages. An air and missile attack would undoubtedly destroy some key nuclear centers but could leave some hidden facilities intact; it would also leave the hated clerical regime in place. The use of proxy forces could also fail in this regard. An invasion might solve these problems but would place almost intolerable demands on the deeply over-stretched US Army.

It is these considerations, no doubt, that are preoccupying US military planners today. But while a final decision on these options may be put off for a time, the Defense Department cannot wait to make preparations for an assault if it expects to move swiftly once the President gives the go-ahead. Hence, it is taking steps now to prepare for the implementation of any conceivable plan.

The first step in such a process is to verify the location of possible targets in Iran and to assess the effectiveness of Iranian defenses. The identification of likely targets apparently began late last year, when the Central Intelligence Agency and US Special Operations Forces (SOF) began flying unmanned "Predator" spy planes over Iran and sending small reconnaissance teams directly into Iranian territory. These actions, first revealed by Seymour Hersh in The New Yorker in January, are supposedly intended to pinpoint the location of hidden Iranian weapons facilities for possible attack by US air and ground forces. "The goal," Hersh explained, "is to identify and isolate three dozen, and perhaps more, such targets that could be destroyed by precision [air] strikes and short-term commando raids."

It is also probable, says military analyst William Arkin, that CENTCOM is probing Iran's air and shore defenses by sending electronic surveillance planes and submarines into--or just to the edge of--Iranian coastal areas. "I would be greatly surprised if they're not doing this," he said in an interview. "The intent would be to 'light up' Iranian radars and command/control facilities, so as to pinpoint their location and gauge their effectiveness." It was precisely this sort of aggressive probing that led to the collision between a US EP-3E electronic spy plane and a Chinese fighter over the South China Sea in April 2001.

As this information becomes available, it is no doubt being fed into the various "strategic concepts" and "strike packages" being developed by US strategists for possible action against Iran. That such efforts are indeed under way is confirmed by reports in the international press that Pentagon officials have met with their Israeli counterparts to discuss the possible participation of Israeli aircraft in some of these scenarios. Although no public acknowledgment of such talks has been made, Vice President Dick Cheney declared in January that "the Israelis might well decide to act first" if Iran proceeded with the development of nuclear weapons--obviously hinting that Washington would look with favor upon such a move.

There are also indications that the CIA and SOF officials have met with Iranian opposition forces--in particular, the Mujaheddin-e Khalq (MEK)--to discuss their possible involvement in commando raids inside Iran or a full-scale proxy war. In one such report, Newsweek disclosed in February that the Bush Administration "is seeking to cull useful MEK members as operatives for use against Tehran." (Although the MEK is listed on the State Department's roster of terrorist groups, its forces are "gently treated" by the American troops guarding their compound in eastern Iraq, Newsweek revealed.)

Given the immense stress now being placed on US ground forces in Iraq, it is likely that the Pentagon's favored plan for military action in Iran involves some combination of airstrikes and the use of proxy forces like the MEK. But even a small-scale assault of this sort is likely to provoke retaliatory action by Iran--possibly entailing missile strikes on oil tankers in the Persian Gulf or covert aid to the insurgency in Iraq. This being the case, CENTCOM would also have to develop plans for a wide range of escalatory moves.

Repeating what was said at the outset, there is no evidence that President Bush has already made the decision to attack Iran. But there are many indications that planning for such a move is well under way--and if the record of Iraq (and other wars) teaches us anything, it is that such planning, once commenced, is very hard to turn around. Hence, we should not wait until after relations with Iran have reached the crisis point to advise against US military action. We should begin acting now, before the march to war becomes irreversible.

Michael T. Klare, The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050801&s=klare)

As I have stated before, I think the bombing of Iranian Nuclear facilities would be a tremendous strategic mistake for the U.S. and a hemorrhage on world oil prices if the Iranians manage to close the Strait in the Gulf with missile attacks for any prolonged period of time. With the Bolton nomination to the U.N. ambassador seat, the Bush Administration seems to be putting all its ducks in a row for a march toward war with Iran, not any type of diplomatic effort

Extra Stout
07-22-2005, 08:39 AM
If the Defense Department is only now putting into place contingency plans for an Iran war, any actual military campaign is a looooooooooooooooong way off...

The plans for the Iraq war had been around since the first Bush was President...

The Ressurrected One
07-22-2005, 10:41 AM
I hope we're planning for a war with Iran.

Hell, I hope we're planning for a war with China too! And, with any other nation who may have designs on attacking us or our interests abroad or at home.

It'd be stupid not to plan.

CaptainHook
07-22-2005, 12:05 PM
i hope we invade Iran, those people need freedom

The Ressurrected One
07-22-2005, 12:07 PM
i hope we invade Iran, those people need freedom
I think we'll probably confine ourselves to maintaining the border with Iraq and supporting the coming Iranian revolution.

Extra Stout
07-22-2005, 01:36 PM
I think we'll probably confine ourselves to maintaining the border with Iraq and supporting the coming Iranian revolution.Those Iranian revolutionaries are infamous procrastinators. That regime has been on the "brink of collapse" now for what, eight years? The casual observer might suspect that the hardliners have consolidated their control on everything, and are stronger than they've been in the past 15 years, but still we're assured this revolution is coming...

The Ressurrected One
07-22-2005, 02:46 PM
Those Iranian revolutionaries are infamous procrastinators. That regime has been on the "brink of collapse" now for what, eight years? The casual observer might suspect that the hardliners have consolidated their control on everything, and are stronger than they've been in the past 15 years, but still we're assured this revolution is coming...
I keep wondering when Israel is going to obliterate their nuke capability.

word
07-22-2005, 10:48 PM
I think we'll probably confine ourselves to maintaining the border with Iraq and supporting the coming Iranian revolution.

Bingo !!

midgetonadonkey
07-22-2005, 10:56 PM
We can't even stop the Iraq insurgency and people want us to fight another country?? This is ridiculous. I don't give a fuck how many nuclear weapons Iran develops, we don't have the man power to invade another country. I think our President is a war monger. If we bomb Iran, he will be no better than Saddam. We have killed and imprisoned enough Iraqi civilians, we don't need to do the same to Iranians, no matter how many nukes their government develops.

word
07-22-2005, 11:02 PM
The US isn't going to invade Iran. Calm down.

midgetonadonkey
07-22-2005, 11:04 PM
The US isn't going to invade Iran. Calm down.

With this President, you never know. It's either going to be Iran or North Korea. Another country will be invaded before the end of his term, bank on it.

word
07-22-2005, 11:13 PM
Nah...

Peeps are one extreme to the other. Here's our problem. Has been, in a very serious form, for the last 15 years.


China's military put its new guided missile destroyers on display last week, disclosing its two new warships that are equipped with Aegis-type battle management systems.

http://www.east-asia-intel.com/eai/2005/Images/PRCdestroy.jpg

The two Luyang II guided missile destroyers are Beijing's first Aegis-type ships. The ships are currently undergoing sea trials. U.S. intelligence officials say China stole the technology for the Aegis battle management system by setting up a front company in the United States that became a subcontractor for the Aegis system manufacturer.

Both types of destroyers are equipped with Russian military equipment and weapons, including missiles, as well as indigenous Chinese anti-ship missiles.

The four warships are part of China's military buildup that U.S. officials say is designed for more than just a Taiwan conflict. The Chinese are building a deep-water navy able to project power, especially against the United States.



In other words, to impede oil shipments from the persian gulf.

AFE7FATMAN
07-22-2005, 11:51 PM
The Plans to invade Iran were drawn up in 1979.
Maybe somebody is just updating them based on the current status.
It is so sad that Jimmy Carter and Regan didn't use the original plans.
We instead simply choose to support IRAQ Openly
and ship weapons,etc to Iran covertly-See Ollie North and the Contras.

word
07-23-2005, 12:08 AM
The Plans to invade Iran were drawn up in 1979.
Maybe somebody is just updating them based on the current status.
It is so sad that Jimmy Carter and Regan didn't use the original plans.
We instead simply choose to support IRAQ Openly
and ship weapons,etc to Iran covertly-See Ollie North and the Contras.


? WTF does that claptrap mean ?

Oh and...the real deal.....the world is running out of oil....

Psssst....once again.


China's military put its new guided missile destroyers on display last week, disclosing its two new warships that are equipped with Aegis-type battle management systems.

http://www.east-asia-intel.com/eai/2005/Images/PRCdestroy.jpg

The two Luyang II guided missile destroyers are Beijing's first Aegis-type ships. The ships are currently undergoing sea trials. U.S. intelligence officials say China stole the technology for the Aegis battle management system by setting up a front company in the United States that became a subcontractor for the Aegis system manufacturer.

Both types of destroyers are equipped with Russian military equipment and weapons, including missiles, as well as indigenous Chinese anti-ship missiles.

The four warships are part of China's military buildup that U.S. officials say is designed for more than just a Taiwan conflict. The Chinese are building a deep-water navy able to project power, especially against the United States.

AFE7FATMAN
07-23-2005, 12:27 AM
? WTF does that claptrap mean ?

Oh and...the real deal.....the world is running out of oil....

Psssst....once again.

WTF= Learn to read and draw you own conclusions :lol

Maybe if JC and Regan had taken care of business in 79-80 instead
of Playing Politics things would be different today.

Oil.... Yep that is why we are in IRAQ and are taking care of
the OIL BUSINESS, New Pipelines in Afganistan, Pakistan, yada, yada,
and as for China

Yep agree, but China is not going to do anything till after the Olympics
toward Tiawan, and right now there is a lot of internal turmoil within
China, it just doesn't reach the local news. People are more intrested in what is going on in Aruba :rolleyes

On the other hand -Why should they go to war with us when they can simply continue to blow the hell of our economy. Perhaps you could start a thread on the China Threat, instead of simply posting the same thing in different threads :sleep

If the leader of Pakistan is killed, Isarel and the US will go into Pakistan
secure the Nukes and insure the "Right People" are put into Power,
and I hope they also get rid of Al-Qaida and their schools.

word
07-23-2005, 01:04 AM
Perhaps you could...uhm...blo me.

AFE7FATMAN
07-23-2005, 01:15 AM
Perhaps you could...uhm...blo me.

WOW

Is that an original thought or did you copy and paste :lol

AFE7FATMAN
07-23-2005, 01:19 AM
maybe AMERICANS actually support our troops
unlike those leftass libs


IMO Our troops do have the support of Most Americans.
I know I do.
USAF Retired Master Sgt, 23 Years.