Ben Swann's Reality Check: More Americans Are “Rethinking” 9/11? (VIDEO)

[Galileo]

Ben Swann's Reality Check: More Americans Are “Rethinking” 9/11? (VIDEO)

38% of Americans have doubts about the official account of 9/11 and 10% more do not believe it at all. That is compared to only a minority of those polled, 40% who are completely satisfied.

WATCH VIDEO HERE:

http://benswann.com/reality-check-more-americans-are-rethinking-911/

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

lol 10%

[Jacob1983]

I have doubts and questions about it but how the fuck do you not believe it at all?

[m>s]

those towers didn't fall by any normal means, it defied the laws of physics. which elements were responsible and who was in on it i don't really know for sure.

[Jacob1983]

You can go to see to New York City and clearly see that The Twin Towers are no longer there. That's pretty definitive evidence.

[m>s]

i'm for putting guilty traitors in government to death and purging them from society if they abuse their power to commit crimes against america. we need a special agency with the power to investigate and charge other government officials with crimes. it's gotten so bad here in this country, any time something happens i immediately look at the government as the first culprit. they deserve absolutely no mercy for their crimes against humanity..i'm talking about the perpetrators who knew the warnings before 9/11 and did nothing, the regulatory bodies who did nothing during the mortgage backed security crisis of 08, etc not just put to death but set on fire and hanged in public and televised on tv. we need strong nationalistic fascism and real action to stomp out these anti-american elements who are creeping in.

can't you just imagine..senators who are meeting with al qaeda and plotting a war in syria have their emails seized and phone records seized, tried in People's Court and found guilty of conspiring to get america into another unpopular war, and sentenced to burn at the stake in the middle of Times Square televised on live tv. those cowards would think twice about fucking with the american people if these were the real consequences.

[Jacob1983]

Well, America should definitely have a new independent detailed investigation of 9/11. It should cost a lot more than the original one. America shouldn't half ass it and spend a shitty amount. I mean I think they spent around the same amount of money than that piece of shit Gigli movie made at the box office. If you can spend ass loads of money nation building in a country that didn't do anything to you, you can afford to fork out some money for a new investigation of 9/11 and finally attempt to answer a lot of questions and ease people's doubts.

[ChumpDumper]

People who say things like that never look for answers themselves.

[Jacob1983]

I shouldn't have to look. The American government should step up and actually do an investigation rather than just half ass it. Thank you, shit dumper.

[Galileo]

How did bin Laden know WTC 7 would fall down in advance? Huh?

[ChumpDumper]

I shouldn't have to look. The American government should step up and actually do an investigation rather than just half ass it. Thank you, shit dumper.You didn't even look up all the investigations they did.

Not once.


How did bin Laden know WTC 7 would fall down in advance? Huh?You don't take any of this seriously either.

[boutons_deux]

Any breakdown of those 38% and 10%, Fox viewers? Dem? white? old? Repug? tea bagger? "Christian"?

if thee gubmint really did do 9/11, then it was a REPUG govt. :lol

How does THAT grab the old (mostly intellectually diminished), white, tea bagger, paranoid, racist Repugs and tea baggers?

[angrydude]

I'm pretty sure that if the government was involved, it would be the entrenched intelligence side, not a political administration. I would bet Bush thought it was real.

[boutons_deux]

I'm pretty sure that if the government was involved, it would be the entrenched intelligence side, not a political administration. I would bet Bush thought it was real.

dubya was always irrelevant. dickhead was editing the NIEs and interfacing with his neocon buddies in MIC, and running the show. dubya, like St Ronnie, was a useful idiot tool.

[pgardn]

those towers didn't fall by any normal means, it defied the laws of physics. which elements were responsible and who was in on it i don't really know for sure.

So physics as we know it changed for a short period of time in NY, and then returned to normal after.
The terrorists have got Norse Gods on their side. We are in trouble, they can change natural laws.
To hell with Nuclear weapons that follow known laws, they got stuff...
Stuff that does not follow any rules we know of...

[pgardn]

Ben Swann's Reality Check: More Americans Are “Rethinking” 9/11? (VIDEO)

38% of Americans have doubts about the official account of 9/11 and 10% more do not believe it at all. That is compared to only a minority of those polled, 40% who are completely satisfied.

WATCH VIDEO HERE:

http://benswann.com/reality-check-more-americans-are-rethinking-911/

:lmao

For a country that apparently believes new species arise from divine intervention this is not surprising.
I saw a new type of lizard today, it formed spontaneously... you bet cha...

[m>s]

So physics as we know it changed for a short period of time in NY, and then returned to normal after.
The terrorists have got Norse Gods on their side. We are in trouble, they can change natural laws.
To hell with Nuclear weapons that follow known laws, they got stuff...
Stuff that does not follow any rules we know of...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bITl3lmbWb8

[pgardn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bITl3lmbWb8

She came with her lab coat.
Cool.

I will watch it later and report back to you my Nazi fruitcake.
You probably also like all those guys on PBS with the big sweaters convincing their new world audience of how our hemoglobin can send out microwave signals joining humanity in one big electromagnetic cluster fck.

Big crowds, chanting in unison, getting all lathered up... Are you getting hot?
Im out.

[m>s]

"I will watch it later and report back to you my Nazi "

k let me know what you think, that video opens eyes

[johnsmith]

Sounds about right. I'd say out of every 10 people I meet, one of them is a fucking idiot.

So yeah, I believe this.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's unfortunate that intelligent posters like RG, WH, teyshaun, MiG, MB, and others do not post here often any more. We are left with conspiracy nuts and and extremists these days it seems.

Hopefully things will pick up here when bbal season begins again and some of the more obvious trolls have better places to go. I am tired of the Rand Paul shilling, race baiting, and 9/11 or Syria conspiracy nonsense.

I promise to try and raise the bar and post more topics that engender an intelligent discussion. Happy Monday to most.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So physics as we know it changed for a short period of time in NY, and then returned to normal after.
The terrorists have got Norse Gods on their side. We are in trouble, they can change natural laws.
To hell with Nuclear weapons that follow known laws, they got stuff...
Stuff that does not follow any rules we know of...

When you get people that do not even understand simple Newtonian physics in the first place then you are going to stupid takes like the above. How is someone able to tell what 'defies the laws of physics' when their knowledge is at best singular memes?

Ignorance paired with a desperate want to fill the gaps in for a conclusion is a nasty combination. Willful ignorance is the worst kind.

[pgardn]

When you get people that do not even understand simple Newtonian physics in the first place then you are going to stupid takes like the above. How is someone able to tell what 'defies the laws of physics' when their knowledge is at best singular memes?

Ignorance paired with a desperate want to fill the gaps in for a conclusion is a nasty combination. Willful ignorance is the worst kind.

Do not attempt to reason a man out of something he did not reason himself into.

I fail to follow sage rules. Mostly because it makes me laugh when I get bored between jobs. Some of these ghost stories are quite amusing. I hardly ever type lol, yet I partake in deep belly laughs all the time. This entire board can be hilarious, especially if one tries to be serious. Diversity is the spice of life. People are just naturally funny, to me anyway.

[pgardn]

For the Nazi:

thanks for the video

I love the energy from space hypothesis...
So you have questions about 9/11, make up stuff and then posit something that does not exist.
I think it was alien termites.

[boutons_deux]

For the Nazi

read it all:

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/patriots_question/index.html#wood

"Journal of 9/11 Studies:" ??? WTF? :lol

OBL has been a huge job creator!

[pgardn]

"Journal of 9/11 Studies:" ??? WTF? :lol

OBL has been a huge job creator!

That was from one Woods sites. She has many bulldogs to defend her. Within her own followers there was some very good stuff hidden away. But there was no way my Nazi friend could put into the proper context so I cut it and the Synopsis is in the aforementioned post. It was very revealing that her own defenders slipped up mightily. But I digress. Woods is a gadfly, a creationist among the evolutionary biologists, so to speak...

She has already been dis credited in her understanding of thermite to dust theories by experts who do research in this area which she has little expertise. She is broadly a good materials scientst trying to sell books. Then, death rays from space...

[johnsmith]

I am tired of the race baiting, .

This is the one that I'm done with. The conspiracty theorists at least bring some fun discussion to the table. The racial shit has just gotten so old at this point. Every time someone makes a thread regarding anything that could possibly pit a black versus a white, it's blatantly obvious what they're trying to do, yet people still post like crazy in them.

Maybe I'm just old and boring now.

[SA210]

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/547763_448713358575443_2061706841_n.jpg

[mouse]

It's unfortunate that intelligent posters like RG, WH, teyshaun, MiG, MB, and others do not post here often any more.


:lmao you actually think that is a impressive list of quality posters?



We are left with conspiracy nuts and and extremists these days it seems.

pssssst! conspiracy nuts is so 2010

after Boston and the evidence of web and Cell phone online postings the Government was exposed for sloppy false flags .. since then people don't use that term anymore "conspiracy nuts" anymore it's out dated.... ...... at least most of the intelligent posters think so.


Hopefully things will pick up here when bbal season begins again and some of the more obvious trolls have better places to go.

Have you notified the webmaster yet?

Is anyone going to use this quote in your sig? If not I will.


I promise to try and raise the bar and post more topics that engender an intelligent discussion.




Happy Monday to most.

Racist against conspiracy people?

I bet you would love us to use our own water fountain, we don't deserve to sit in the front of the bus?

Get your ignorant NASCAR mug collecting redneck ass out of here so we can continue to Educate ChumpDumper's other three employees that share his cubicle.

[ChumpDumper]

Still waiting for your theory Mouse.

It's been 12 years.

[AntiChrist]

This again? Whatever

[mouse]

Still waiting for your theory Mouse.


It was an inside job


It's been 12 years.

And yet you still ask the same question.

[cheguevara]

I was at the towers 7 days before they were hit. They looked pretty solid to me fwiw

[cheguevara]

wait, why did that 3rd building fall?

it wasn't hit by a plane was it?

[cheguevara]

wait, did that US official said that 3rd building came down because of office furnishings on fire????? :lmao :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

You didn't read the report. You never read anything. Why would wtc7 have to come down anyway? Expalin your theory.

[cheguevara]

You didn't read the report. You never read anything. Why would wtc7 have to come down anyway? Expalin your theory.

Thats right. I didnt read it. I stayed away from this talk mostly. Thats why I have questions. I am pretty neutral in the subject. Would you care to share your theory on why the 3rd building fell? I am assuming its the wtc7 you mention?

[ChumpDumper]

Thats right. I didnt read it. I stayed away from this talk mostly. Thats why I have questions. I am pretty neutral in the subject. Would you care to share your theory on why the 3rd building fell? I am assuming its the wtc7 you mention?Read the NIST report and get back to me.

[cheguevara]

Read the NIST report and get back to me.

so you have neither a theory nor answers. that's ok. I'm not surprised at all, Chimp

I'm sure plenty other folk here might wanna share therir own thoughts on the matter. Some ppl here actually can reason and think on their own thankfully :tu

[ChumpDumper]

so you have neither a theory nor answers. that's ok. I'm not surprised at all, Chimp

I'm sure plenty other folk here might wanna share therir own thoughts on the matter. Some ppl here actually can reason and think on their own thankfully :tuI did answer you.

You're too lazy to accept it.

Your problem. If you are so helpless that you can't read anything on your own and come to your own conclusion, so be it. Don't ask any more questions.

Stay ignorant and stupid. You don't want to be anything else. :tu

[cheguevara]

I did answer you.


You didnt. Why did the 3rd building fall. Dont worry Ill wait for a more knowledgeable person to answer.
You are obviously not qualified to answer. Thats ok.



Your problem. If you are so helpless that you can't read anything on your own and come to your own conclusion, so be it. Don't ask any more questions.

Stay ignorant and stupid. You don't want to be anything else. :tu

:lmao you are the one who is ignorant and stupid. You claim to know yet you are unable to answer a simple question. I conceded I dont know and havent read much on the subject. Yoh claim to know yet you cannot answer a basic question. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You didnt. Why did the 3rd building fall. Dont worry Ill wait for a more knowledgeable person to answer.
You are obviously not qualified to answer. Thats ok.It is explained quite extensively in the NIST report. Rather than waste time asking what will probably be an incessant parade of stupid questions, why not get on an equal footing with me? Why remain at a disadvantage?


:lmao you are the one who is ignorant and stupid. You claim to know yet you are unable to answer a simple question. I conceded I dont know and havent read much on the subject. Yoh claim to know yet you cannot answer a basic question. :lolI read the NIST report.

You didn't.

You are ignorant of this report.

I am not.

Why do you want to remain ignorant of this report?

[Ignignokt]

It is explained quite extensively in the NIST report. Rather than waste time asking what will probably be an incessant parade of stupid questions, why not get on an equal footing with me? Why remain at a disadvantage?

I read the NIST report.

You didn't.

You are ignorant of this report.

I am not.

Why do you want to remain ignorant of this report?

You obviously couldn't into logic unless you stumbled into it blindfoldedly, but that's not your problem, you should have sacrificed more money on tuition than throw it away at the satelite campus of Laredo Community College known as UTSA.

But I'm not done yet. You ask to provide a theory to prove what that data tells you, but that is ass backwards. You must first explain the evidence, and in my past 12yrs of defending 9/11's official govt acct against truthers, I have finally realized that NIST could never explain the collapse, and that it later recanted both bowing theories, and the pancake theories as insufficient.

So since you decided to short cut Logic and just learn the socratic method through the Cliff Notes version of Plato's Republic at UTSA, I'll give you more ample time to explain what happened, because the NIST report no longer holds.

[SA210]

:lmao oh shit

[AntiChrist]

I suggest you guys study REAL conspiracies. Their weakest link are the human conspirators. They inevitably make mistakes and can't keep their mouths shut.

[ChumpDumper]

You obviously couldn't into logic unless you stumbled into it blindfoldedly, but that's not your problem, you should have sacrificed more money on tuition than throw it away at the satelite campus of Laredo Community College known as UTSA.

But I'm not done yet. You ask to provide a theory to prove what that data tells you, but that is ass backwards. You must first explain the evidence, and in my past 12yrs of defending 9/11's official govt acct against truthers, I have finally realized that NIST could never explain the collapse, and that it later recanted both bowing theories, and the pancake theories as insufficient.

So since you decided to short cut Logic and just learn the socratic method through the Cliff Notes version of Plato's Republic at UTSA, I'll give you more ample time to explain what happened, because the NIST report no longer holds.You will have to show where the NIST recanted the final NCSTAR reports of 2005 and 2008.

I'll wait for that.

[Ignignokt]

You will have to show where the NIST recanted the final NCSTAR reports of 2005 and 2008.

I'll wait for that.

You don't have to wait for that, appealing to authority is a formal logical fallacy.


Why can't you logic?


"NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon."

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm#

[ChumpDumper]

You don't have to wait for that, appealing to authority is a formal logical fallacy.


Why can't you logic?


"NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon."

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm#The segment in red is the conclusion of the 2005 report.

I'll ask again: When did NIST recant the 2005 and 2008 NCSTAR final reports?

[Ignignokt]

The segment in red is the conclusion of the 2005 report.

I'll ask again: When did NIST recant the 2005 and 2008 NCSTAR final reports?


It doesn't matter that they came up with a bullshit explanation, you still have to explain why the other floors collapsed at a free fall rate. So even tho the fires on the upper floors were to weaken the trusses, Did it also weaken every truss on that builiding?

You would still need the pancake theory to carry the weight of that.

[AntiChrist]

It doesn't matter that they came up with a bullshit explanation, you still have to explain why the other floors collapsed at a free fall rate. So even tho the fires on the upper floors were to weaken the trusses, Did it also weaken every truss on that builiding?

You would still need the pancake theory to carry the weight of that.



http://www.debunking911.com/Collapse3.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

It doesn't matter that they came up with a bullshit explanation, you still have to explain why the other floors collapsed at a free fall rate. So even tho the fires on the upper floors were to weaken the trusses, Did it also weaken every truss on that builiding?Turns out 20-30 acres of building plus gravity is a pretty good way to bring down the floors below them.

Go figure

And nothing in the WTC 1 and 2 collapses happened at freefall speed. Part of WTC 7 fell at freefall speed during part of its collapse, but it didn't fall straight down so there were falling sections with nothing below them


You would still need the pancake theory to carry the weight of that.You're confusing collapse initiation with what happened after. Why wouldn't floors pancake when the upper block falls on top of them? They kept collapsing on the lower floors around the core sections that remained standing for a bit

[cheguevara]

It is explained quite extensively in the NIST report. Rather than waste time asking what will probably be an incessant parade of stupid questions, why not get on an equal footing with me? Why remain at a disadvantage?

I read the NIST report.

You didn't.

You are ignorant of this report.

I am not.

Why do you want to remain ignorant of this report?

you allegedly 'read' the report, yet you cannot explain in a couple of sentences why the 3rd building fell :lmao

I'm going to go ahead and assume even if you read the "report" your intellect is limited in such a way that you cannot summarize what you actually read. I will seek to discuss this with more knowledgeable people, carry on.

[ChumpDumper]

you allegedly 'read' the report, yet you cannot explain in a couple of sentences why the 3rd building fell :lmao

I'm going to go ahead and assume even if you read the "report" your intellect is limited in such a way that you cannot summarize what you actually read. I will seek to discuss this with more knowledgeable people, carry on.If you actually wanted an answer to your question, you would have looked for it yourself and seen that there is a FAQ that might answer several of your questions quickly and easily.

Thanks for proving my point that you aren't serious about answering your burning 12 year-old questions when told exactly how to answer them in considerable depth.

I could paste something from the FAQ, but why couldn't you just look it up yourself? It's your question.

[cheguevara]

If you actually wanted an answer to your question, you would have looked for it yourself and seen that there is a FAQ that might answer several of your questions quickly and easily.

Thanks for proving my point that you aren't serious about answering your burning 12 year-old questions when told exactly how to answer them in considerable depth.

I could paste something from the FAQ, but why couldn't you just look it up yourself? It's your question.

wrong. I wanted to know other people's thoughts, theories and conclusions. This is what the forum is about. Otherwise, we'd all be on our own reading reports and papers and never sharing our conclusions.

Thanks for proving you are intellectually limited to draw your own conclusions and sumarize your readings. As I said, again, I will look for more capable people to answer my questions.

[ChumpDumper]

wrong. I wanted to know other people's thoughts and theories. This is what the forum is about. Otherwise, we'd all be on our own reading reports and papers. My theory is the NIST theory, which is that uncontrolled fire brought down WTC 7.

You can read all about it in their FAQs and reports and get as in depth as you like. All the information is there just waiting to be read.

[Jacob1983]

Why don't you guys just agree to disagree?

[ChumpDumper]

Why don't you guys just agree to disagree?The problem is you guys don't even know enough to disagree with anything.

You're demanding I answer the most basic questions about 9/11 theories. Why haven't you thought to look them up yourself in the past 12 years?

Not even once?

[Nbadan]

:lol at Chumpy still trying to put the cart before the horse....

:lol at the faith-in-bush crowd still thinking they are in the majority on 9/11...

[m>s]

it's weird chump is a democuck, but his extreme weakness and love for big government lead him to sometimes take up for the RHINOs. dude should just pick a lane and be a rabid liberal militant like jewtouns_douche tbh.

[Wild Cobra]

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/547763_448713358575443_2061706841_n.jpg

That's because Osama bin Laden was killed in 2004. Just another Obomba farce on the public.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol at Chumpy still trying to put the cart before the horse....

:lol at the faith-in-bush crowd still thinking they are in the majority on 9/11...What do you think really happened on 9/11?

It's been 12 years. Let's have it.


it's weird chump is a democuck, but his extreme weakness and love for big government lead him to sometimes take up for the RHINOs. dude should just pick a lane and be a rabid liberal militant like jewtouns_douche tbh.Oh look, another one who's afraid to say what he thinks.


That's because Osama bin Laden was killed in 2004. Just another Obomba farce on the public.Well, youdid actually say what you think, but it's pretty much the stupidest thing ever posted in the history of SpursTalk.

[Jacob1983]

Shit dumper, why can't you just live with the fact that in life people are going to disagree with you?

[Nbadan]

FBI calls half of populace with 9/11 doubts potential terrorists

The FBI is instructing local police departments and "communities against terrorism" to consider anyone who harbors "conspiracy theories" about 9/11 to be a potential terrorist, in a circular released to local police departments.

The circular thus adds 9/11 official story skeptics to a growing list of targets described by federal law enforcement to be security threats, such as those who express "libertarian philosophies," "Second Amendment-oriented views," interest in "self-sufficiency," "fears of Big Brother or big government," and "Declarations of Constitutional rights and civil liberties."

A newly released national poll shows that 48% of Americans either have some doubts about the official account of 9/11, or do not believe it at all.
The FBI circular entitled "Potential Indicators of Terrorist Activities Related to Sleepers" says that people who should be 'considered suspicious' of possible involvement in "terrorist activity" include those who hold the "attitude" described as " Conspiracy theories about Westerners."

The circular continues: "e.g. (sic) the CIA arranged for 9/11 to legitimize the invasion of foreign lands."


Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/358624#ixzz2fPvzV7YA

[ChumpDumper]

Shit dumper, why can't you just live with the fact that in life people are going to disagree with you?You can't say exactly what we disagree about.

[Galileo]

What do you think really happened on 9/11?



a false-flag event occurred, just the recent Syria incident.

[ChumpDumper]

a false-flag event occurred, just the recent Syria incident.OK, walk us through it.

Tell us how it all happened.

[Galileo]

OK, walk us through it.

Tell us how it all happened.

That's classified. It will be declassified in 2075 ad.

[ChumpDumper]

That's classified. It will be declassified in 2075 ad.This is why no one takes truthers seriously.

You aren't serious.

You don't believe your own conspiracy innuendo. Why should anyone else?

[Galileo]

This is why no one takes truthers seriously.

You aren't serious.

You don't believe your own conspiracy innuendo. Why should anyone else?

so you think the 9/11 conspiracy has been declassified? You're an idiot. Show it to me!

[ChumpDumper]

so you think the 9/11 conspiracy has been declassified? You're an idiot. Show it to me!I asked you what you think really happened. Not what is classified.

Tell me how you think the conspiracy as you see it was carried out. You've had 12 years to figure it out.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't pay too much attention to Chump Dumper. He's a disinfo agent who knows that 9/11 was an inside job as well as the truthers do.

http://aquariusparadigm.com/2012/09/26/disinformation-campaign-exposure-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222It's more likely that you are a paid disinformation agent charged with discrediting the truth movement by looking like a lunatic.

[Blake]

It's more likely that you are a paid disinformation agent charged with discrediting the truth movement by looking like a lunatic.

damn he's good.

i wonder where one would go to apply for a position in the disinfo organization.

[boutons_deux]

damn he's good.

i wonder where one would go to apply for a position in the disinfo organization.

nsa.gov, fbi.cov, dod.gov, or any PR firm or major corporation PR dept, esp financial org, Fox Repug Propaganda networks, WSJ or any of Mortdick's other toilet papers.