Will Ginobili Make the Hall of Fame Still?

[Gino-Step]

I'm the biggest Ginobili homer and often comforted by knowing that Manu will be remembered in at least as good a sense as someone like Pete Maravich. Kids in future generations will talk about the cool moves and the unique style that he played with. People are always quick to say he's a lock for the Hall of Fame. So when haters trash him in recent months, it's easier to handle in the grand scheme of things.

BUT the last couple of weeks have had me thinking. Is there a chance that the consensus will change and by the time his career is done, people no longer think he's a Hall of Famer? It's a scary thought but I think it's actually possible.

If Manu plays another two years averaging 8ppg (9ppg in 2014, 7 ppg in 2015), his career scoring average will be around only 14 points with 3.7 rebounds and 3.8 assists. Playoff scoring average will decline to around 15 as well so the "Manu steps it up" claim will not appear very clear.

Will revisionist history claim that 2004 US Olympic team was a joke with Stephon Marbury, Kenyon Martin, Allen Iverson so Manu doesn't get much credit there. Will they claim in 2003, Manu was a rookie bench player who was arguably the 5th or 6th most valuable. Really only a core piece of 2 championship rings with low individual NBA accolades and low individual career totals? And maybe cost his team 1 -2 championships as well to wash out his contributions in 05 and 07.

People today are talking about T-Mac, AI, and C-Webb getting in and it makes you wonder if later on in history, people will look at a Joe Johnson as > than Manu Ginobili if they have another 2 years of Old Manu overwriting their memory.

[Russo21]

Basing on NBA only you could say maybe not. But NBA Spurs + International Ball for Argentina + successful stints in the Italian League, Argentina League, Euro League. He's had a more successful and widely distributed career then most. So Basketball Hall of Fame for Manu Ginobili? Hell Yes.

[Russo21]

Awards


Italian League MVP: 2001, 2002
Italian League All-Star: 1999, 2000, 2001
Euroleague Finals Most Valuable Player: 2001
FIBA Americas Championship Most Valuable Player: 2001
Italian Cup Most Valuable Player: 2002
All-Tournament Team, FIBA World Cup: 2002, 2006
Olimpia de Oro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olimpia_Award): 2003, 2004 (shared with Carlos Tévez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_T%C3%A9vez))
NBA All-Star: 2005, 2011
50 Greatest Euroleague Contributors: 2008
NBA Sixth Man of the Year Award: 2008
Diamond Konex Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konex_Award) 2010, most important sportsman of the decade in Argentina
All-NBA Third Team: 2008, 2011


Titles


Italian League Championship: 2001
Italian Cup: 2001, 2002
Euroleague: 2001
Triple Crown: 2001
Americas Championship: 2001, 2011
NBA Championship: 2003, 2005, 2007
Summer Olympic Games gold medal: 2004
Summer Olympic Games bronze medal: 2008
FIBA Diamond Ball Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_Diamond_Ball) gold medal: 2008

[elmanutres]

He will. The 04 Olympics upset sealed his enshrinment. But I think gino will be one of those players that will get in the hof like 10-15 years after retirement.

[Man In Black]

cracks me up when people seem to intimate that the Hall of Fame is for NBA when that is simply not the case. He's as good as in.

[Libri]

A couple of seasons at the end of his career are not going to tarnish all of his accomplishments. I'll echo what David Thorpe said: "Few players at that position were better than Manu in his prime, and all who were will be Hall of Famers, too."

[spurs10]

Lock

[PlayNando]

This thread is pathetic.

Manu has been a lock for the HoF since 2007, tbh. Anyone who disagrees is a fraud.

[callo1]

Most certainly.

[racm]

A couple of seasons at the end of his career are not going to tarnish all of his accomplishments. I'll echo what David Thorpe said: "Few players at that position were better than Manu in his prime, and all who were will be Hall of Famers, too."

Jason Kidd couldn't make a basket at all in his final games and yet he's still a lock for the HOF. Manu's fine.

[Skull-1]

It is the BASKETBALL HALL OF FAME, not the NBA HALL OF FAME, so if it is truly the former then yes. However, if SAS makes the Finals again and he mucks up like this last time then he should be banned for 20 years minimum.

[exstatic]

Ginobili's been a mortal lock for the HOF for probably 5-6 years. You don't "unmake" the HOF once you've made it.

[td4mvp2k]

This thread is pathetic.

[Captivus]

What about Conference Titles? Those are importante too.

[cd021]

3 Games in the NBA finals takes him from being a 1st ballot to the bubble...right

[xmas1997]

Give it up guys, you will never convince those ignorant trolls that Manu is anything but a washed up scrub!

[TheyCallMePro]

First off, I have no respect for the HOF. They consistently put in flashy players over good players. Recently I've heard rumors that Tracy McGrady may eventually get into the HOF. As CRAZY as this sounds, I wouldn't be surprised if this actually ended up happening. Nor would I be surprised if Yao Ming, who had a mediocre career after being taken #1 overall, got in, just because he was the best 7'6 guy ever (because Shawn Bradley SUCKED.)

That said, I think Manu will get in no matter what. Here's why: Because Manu is a very notorious player. Nororious for what you ask? Three things. 1) Flopping. 2) The euro-step. 3) competitiveness. No matter what, NBA fans are always going to remember Manu Ginobili for these three things, and so he'll always be a resonating presence on peoples minds when they see these things in the future. When people see James Harden do the euro-step, they'll credit Ginobili for first demonstrating it's effectiveness. When they see someone flop, "Ugh, he sold it worse than Ginobili!" And when they see someone give it their all on every play, or see someone do something crazy (like swatting a bat from mid-air), they'll think of Ginobili.

Getting in the HOF is about being popular. And because Manu is so notorious, he'll get in for sure.

[Skull-1]

First off, I have no respect for the HOF. They consistently put in flashy players over good players. Recently I've heard rumors that Tracy McGrady may eventually get into the HOF. As CRAZY as this sounds, I wouldn't be surprised if this actually ended up happening. Nor would I be surprised if Yao Ming, who had a mediocre career after being taken #1 overall, got in, just because he was the best 7'6 guy ever (because Shawn Bradley SUCKED.)

That said, I think Manu will get in no matter what. Here's why: Because Manu is a very notorious player. Nororious for what you ask? Three things. 1) Flopping. 2) The euro-step. 3) competitiveness. No matter what, NBA fans are always going to remember Manu Ginobili for these three things, and so he'll always be a resonating presence on peoples minds when they see these things in the future. When people see James Harden do the euro-step, they'll credit Ginobili for first demonstrating it's effectiveness. When they see someone flop, "Ugh, he sold it worse than Ginobili!" And when they see someone give it their all on every play, or see someone do something crazy (like swatting a bat from mid-air), they'll think of Ginobili.

Getting in the HOF is about being popular. And because Manu is so notorious, he'll get in for sure.


Lol that's actually not a bad take!

[SenorSpur]

Most definitely. With his combined international and NBA success, Manu is a virtual lock for the HOF. Not even his stinky performances in this past NBA playoffs can affect that - nor should it.

[superbigtime]

Give it up guys, you will never convince those ignorant trolls that Manu is anything but a washed up scrub!

He is clearly washed up and he is a HOF'er, no question.

[Skull-1]

He is clearly washed up and he is a HOF'er, no question.


That's about the size of it.

[Sean Cagney]

Basing on NBA only you could say maybe not. But NBA Spurs + International Ball for Argentina + successful stints in the Italian League, Argentina League, Euro League. He's had a more successful and widely distributed career then most. So Basketball Hall of Fame for Manu Ginobili? Hell Yes.

......

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol @ OP... A Manutard showing concern that his childhood idol might not make it into the HOF due to his shitty performances in the NBA Finals and throughout the year.

Although Manu is a future HOF, his legacy will forever be tarnished by non-biased Spurs fans like me or by many non-Spurs fans. The only ones that are still infatuated with Manu and his past accomplishments are the Spurs homers.

I haven't done this for a while so let give you'll a little refresher:

Homer - Someone who shows blind loyalty to a team or organization, typically ignoring any shortcomings or faults they have.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=homer

Give it up guys, you will never convince those ignorant trolls that Manu is anything but a washed up scrub!But he is... okay maybe he's not a scrub but he is washed up!

[phxspurfan]

Aren't all the Euroscrubs in the HOF? Marcilonis? Kukoc? Schrempf? Petrovic? Then Manu will most definitely be in.

[spurraider21]

I think leading Argentina to the Gold in 2004 followed by his epic 2005 playoff run/finals series (where tbh he should have gotten Finals MVP, or at least co-mvp) was enough to get him in. Except he was also one of the league's best players from that point until the end of the 2011 season. He was still damn good in 2012, but injuries held him back. 2013... well whatever. :lol at least he made the game winner over the warriors and had the epic game 5

[Skull-1]

Speaking of Manu, I thought he was sitting the summer out... lol

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221834&page=21&p=6842847&viewfull=1#post6842847

[TMTTRIO]

Manu probably never even had to come over to the NBA and he probably would've made it base on his international resume alone. Anything he's done or messed up at in the NBA is just extra.

[TE]

Stupid thread. Of course he's making it.

[xmas1997]

Stupid thread. Of course he's making it.

I agree, it goes without saying, and for all the positive reasons already listed in previous posts.

[james evans]

of course he is. that bitch will without a doubt be a 1st ballot

[Agloco]

MXJmM0a0-tk

[spurraider21]

Give it up guys, you will never convince those ignorant trolls that Manu is anything but a washed up scrub!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXJmM0a0-tk

fyi, this dunk was factual, not allegorical

[elemento]

Easily, he is a lock.

[EVAY]

He has been a lock for the HOF since he led Argentina to the defeat of the USA professionals in the Olympics.

Does anyone else wonder if that dunk on Bosh was when the fibula finally broke? He had been in trouble with the team for trying to dunk before (remember he kept hurting his hamstring by doing it?) and referenced it after the game to a reporter who asked him about it. He said "I don't even know how that (the dunk) happened...I found myself in the middle of it and then I just finished it. But the guys had really been very serious about me not doing that any more"...

I mean, I know that stress fractures take place over time, but it does make me wonder.

[Obstructed_View]

Tony Chewcock set the bar. Manu surpassed it like two titles ago.

[BillMc]

He has been a lock for the HOF since he led Argentina to the defeat of the USA professionals in the Olympics.

Yep. He's been as good as in for 10 years.

And since then he's added 3 more NBA titles, a 6th man award, a Bronze medal, and been part of the winning-most trio in the sport's history.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Jeff Van Gundy recently stated that he thinks Manu Ginobili doesn't deserve to be in the HOF as is the case with many other "HOF locks" and that the hall of fame has turned into the "hall of the very good" with the influx of players who are comparable to Manu Ginobili in skill and legacy.

The only Spurs hall of famer by JVG's standards would be Duncan. Parker doesn't make the cut either for JVG. This was stated on a Zach Lowe podcast during the 2014 playoffs. I don't remember which one, but Jeff makes an excellent point :rollin

[cd021]

Career P.E.R of 21.5 that's top 25 all time.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Jeff also stated that Manu would never make it into the HOF based on his NBA record only.

[xmas1997]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXJmM0a0-tk

fyi, this dunk was factual, not allegorical

:lmao Spurraider still confused about allegory.
You meant to say it was factual, and not fictional.
By your reasoning, it is the same as saying that because your right side is right, then the other side must be wrong, instead of left.
:lol

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Yeah fact and allegory do not constitute a true dichotomy. They aren't mutually exclusive. Manu's dunk can be both factual and allegorical. I don't know the background between xmas and spurraider's skirmish but yeah...

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Granted I can see where the confusion comes from. The Bible, for example, is both fiction (with respect to the miracle claims) and allegory.

Edit: Well, same goes for virtually any religious book that makes miracle claims. I don't want to seem like I'm picking on the bible...

[xmas1997]

Yeah fact and allegory do not constitute a true dichotomy. They aren't mutually exclusive. Manu's dunk can be both factual and allegorical. I don't know the background between xmas and spurraider's skirmish but yeah...

I agree with you, but try getting that point across to spurraider though and it is like talking to a bag of rocks for all the good it does.
:lol

[DMC]

If you're ever at a point where you will, then you will "still" the following seasons. Unlike this forum, they don't use his last game as the deciding factor.

[DMC]

Yeah fact and allegory do not constitute a true dichotomy. They aren't mutually exclusive. Manu's dunk can be both factual and allegorical. I don't know the background between xmas and spurraider's skirmish but yeah...

If you were asked "did Manu's dunk really occur" you'd say yes. If I asked "if you were a remote viewer, could you have seen Manu's dunk" and you'd say yes, because you were a remote viewer and you did see it. Xmas said about the Abraham story "you'd only see the writer writing the story". If you only saw a writer writing a story about a dunk that you could not find evidence for otherwise, and you were told it was allegorical in nature, you'd not assume the dunk happened in reality, i.e. Space Jam didn't really happen...

[DMC]

:lmao Spurraider still confused about allegory.
You meant to say it was factual, and not fictional.
By your reasoning, it is the same as saying that because your right side is right, then the other side must be wrong, instead of left.
:lol
allegory

noun indirect representation, storytelling
apologue


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Common Informal
Synonyms for allegory
noun indirect representation, storytelling
apologue
emblem
fable
figuration
moral
myth
parable
story
symbol
symbolism
symbolization
tale
typification


Antonyms for allegory


non-fiction
truth
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an·to·nym [an-tuh-nim]
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[exstatic]

Easily, he is a lock.

If you look at Drazen Petrovic as a template for a hybrid FIBA/NBA career induction, Manu has been a mortal lock since about 2007.

[Obstructed_View]

If you look at Drazen Petrovic as a template for a hybrid FIBA/NBA career induction, Manu has been a mortal lock since about 2007.

Petrovic was a pity induction, nothing more, and they were able to pass it off by saying he was a pioneer. But yeah, if Petrovic and Marceulonis are the benchmarks, Manu's been in for a long time.

[xmas1997]

If you were asked "did Manu's dunk really occur" you'd say yes. If I asked "if you were a remote viewer, could you have seen Manu's dunk" and you'd say yes, because you were a remote viewer and you did see it. Xmas said about the Abraham story "you'd only see the writer writing the story". If you only saw a writer writing a story about a dunk that you could not find evidence for otherwise, and you were told it was allegorical in nature, you'd not assume the dunk happened in reality, i.e. Space Jam didn't really happen...


Apparently you are as confused about ALLEGORY as spurraider is, so in the interest of clarity in biblical writing, which by the way has nothing to do with the topic, but spurraider brought up his ridiculous and superfluous point first, and you, DMC, seem to want to belabor it here instead of keeping it where it belongs downstairs in The Club, here is the truth, rather than your straw man and deliberate misleading of the truth.
Also since you want to nitpick about citing shit on a message board as if this were literature and a paper to be published, I have included for you the "links" so you have no excuses to falsely accuse me of plagiarism again.
Geez, plagiarism on a "message board". What a buffoon! :lmao

Here they are, definitions of biblical usage of allegory, and not sports trivia:

1. From Merriam-Webster dictionary:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allegory

al·le·go·ry
noun \ˈa-lə-ˌgȯr-ē\

: a story in which the characters and events are symbols that stand for ideas about human life or for a political or historical situation
plural al·le·go·ries
Full Definition of ALLEGORY
1
: the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence; also : an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expression
2
: a symbolic representation : emblem 2


2. And from the Encyclopaedia Britannica:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/16078/allegory

allegory, a symbolic fictional narrative that conveys a meaning not explicitly set forth in the narrative. Allegory, which encompasses such forms as fable, parable, and apologue, may have meaning on two or more levels that the reader can understand only through an interpretive process.


3. And from an expert on grammar and composition:

http://grammar.about.com/od/terms/g/allegory.htm

ALLERGORY
By Richard Nordquist
Grammar & Composition Expert

Definition:

The rhetorical strategy of extending a metaphor through an entire narrative so that objects, persons, and actions in the text are equated with meanings that lie outside the text. Adjective: allegorical.


4. And lastly this from dictionary.com:

http://http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/allegory

allegory
  Use Allegory in a sentence
al·le·go·ry
[al-uh-gawr-ee, -gohr-ee] Show IPA
noun, plural al·le·go·ries.
1.
a representation of an abstract or spiritual meaning through concrete or material forms; figurative treatment of one subject under the guise of another.
2.
a symbolical narrative: the allegory of Piers Plowman.
3.
emblem ( def 3 ) .
Origin:
1350–1400; Middle English allegorie < Latin allēgoria < Greek allēgoría, derivative of allēgoreîn to speak so as to imply something other. See allo-, agora; Greek agoreúein to speak, proclaim, orig. meant to act (e.g., speak) in the assembly



Thus I believe we can now get past your "misrepresentations of the truth", including your false accusations as well as taking things out of context, and most of all your basic "straw man tactics", so that we can put your misconceptions, misunderstandings, and complete ignorance of allegorical biblical literary styles to rest once and for all, and get back to the topic of this thread, i.e. ...........


Manu is a sure fire HOFer!!!!!!!!!!

[dbreiden83080]

It's amazing how circumstances can dictate a legacy or the hall of fame.. Manu and Tony playing elsewhere I find it highly unlikely they make the HOF because I am assuming they would not win a title or even if they do there is no way they get 4.. But getting to be a part of this great big 3 all these years in SA they will both make it.. It's such a tribute to this era of Spurs basketball that all 3 of them will be in the HOF one day..

[xmas1997]

It's amazing how circumstances can dictate a legacy or the hall of fame.. Manu and Tony playing elsewhere I find it highly unlikely they make the HOF because I am assuming they would not win a title or even if they do there is no way they get 4.. But getting to be a part of this great big 3 all these years in SA they will both make it.. It's such a tribute to this era of Spurs basketball that all 3 of them will be in the HOF one day..

I don't think there can be any doubt that Manu will make the HOF, and easily, when you examine his legacy.

[dbreiden83080]

I don't think there can be any doubt that Manu will make the HOF, and easily, when you examine his legacy.

Yeah I know..

[exstatic]

It's amazing how circumstances can dictate a legacy or the hall of fame.. Manu and Tony playing elsewhere I find it highly unlikely they make the HOF because I am assuming they would not win a title or even if they do there is no way they get 4.. But getting to be a part of this great big 3 all these years in SA they will both make it.. It's such a tribute to this era of Spurs basketball that all 3 of them will be in the HOF one day..

Getting rings doesn't put you in the HOF. Kerr has 5 and Horry has 7 and neither will even get a whiff of the HOF.

[dbreiden83080]

Getting rings doesn't put you in the HOF. Kerr has 5 and Horry has 7 and neither will even get a whiff of the HOF.

Why are you talking about role players?

[littlecoyotecoin]

Career P.E.R of 21.5 that's top 25 all time.

[baseline bum]

It's amazing how circumstances can dictate a legacy or the hall of fame.. Manu and Tony playing elsewhere I find it highly unlikely they make the HOF because I am assuming they would not win a title or even if they do there is no way they get 4.. But getting to be a part of this great big 3 all these years in SA they will both make it.. It's such a tribute to this era of Spurs basketball that all 3 of them will be in the HOF one day..

Ginobili was a lock for the Hall of Fame after leading Argentina to the gold. The only Olympic performance as impressive in recent memory was Sabonis in 88.

[dbreiden83080]

Ginobili was a lock for the Hall of Fame after leading Argentina to the gold. The only Olympic performance as impressive in recent memory was Sabonis in 88.

There are some international players in the HOF that have no business whatsoever being in.. And there are some American players like Glen Rice never getting in the HOF but I guess 1 gold medal would have got him there easily.. I don't know what it is about my post that has some fans here butt hurt? I said he was getting in thanks largely to his NBA titles and I got people all whiny about that as if I am not giving him enough credit.. Manu has stayed relevant for so long because he is a Spur playing with Tim Duncan and coached by Pop.. His circumstances were very fortunate.. Just saying..

[Skull-1]

Jeff also stated that Manu would never make it into the HOF based on his NBA record only.


He is right about that, tbqh...

[dbreiden83080]

The NBA career is the one you have to look at with the most critical eye to suggest otherwise is just plain stupidity. He has spent almost 1000 games in the Spurs uniform when you include the playoffs. How many games has he played for his national team over the last 10 years? He is in based mostly on his career with the Spurs if you ask me.

[Obstructed_View]

It's amazing how circumstances can dictate a legacy or the hall of fame.. Manu and Tony playing elsewhere I find it highly unlikely they make the HOF because I am assuming they would not win a title or even if they do there is no way they get 4.. But getting to be a part of this great big 3 all these years in SA they will both make it.. It's such a tribute to this era of Spurs basketball that all 3 of them will be in the HOF one day..

Manu would likely have been the star on most other teams, started, put up 20 shots a night and played a lot of minutes. Manu with several years of 25-5-5 stat lines would have made the HOF even with no titles.

[dbreiden83080]

Manu would likely have been the star on most other teams, started, put up 20 shots a night and played a lot of minutes. Manu with several years of 25-5-5 stat lines would have made the HOF even with no titles.

With his reckless style of play I don't see him ever putting up numbers like that with any kind of consistency.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

With his reckless style of play I don't see him ever putting up numbers like that with any kind of consistency.

He pretty much did until last year..

[mrtxstar]

Manu is easily deserving of being in the HoF. The idiots saying otherwise are just jealous or ignorant of his resume.

[bigfan]

Its the Basketball HoF, not the NBA HoF. Manu is an absolute lock.

[spurs10]

Signed, sealed , and delivered....unlike Jeff Van Gundy.

[dbreiden83080]

Its the Basketball HoF, not the NBA HoF. Manu is an absolute lock.

He is in with his nba creds alone but 95% of his career is in the nba. It is not 50/50 it's the biggest piece..

[Obstructed_View]

With his reckless style of play I don't see him ever putting up numbers like that with any kind of consistency.
Those are basically his numbers. If you just take his career but give him 36 minutes a night and five more shots per game, which he would get with any other team, he puts up those numbers without any problem.

[Diego20]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html

Career P.E.R all time Leaders

Manu 38 all time.

TP 91 all time.

TD 12 all time.

[dbreiden83080]

Those are basically his numbers. If you just take his career but give him 36 minutes a night and five more shots per game, which he would get with any other team, he puts up those numbers without any problem.

How the hell is he going to average 36 minutes a game? for his career he has averaged only 27 minutes and he has still been extremely injury prone. Most of his career pop has had to manage him whether it was because he was so beat up from playing over the summer or beat up in general from his physical style of play.

[Obstructed_View]

How the hell is he going to average 36 minutes a game? for his career he has averaged only 27 minutes and he has still been extremely injury prone. Most of his career pop has had to manage him whether it was because he was so beat up from playing over the summer or beat up in general from his physical style of play.

You should look up this term, because I suspect you don't know what any of those words mean. He's gotten injured, but he's nowhere NEAR injury prone, and EXTREMELY injury prone is out of the question. Greg Oden is extremely injury prone. It's amazing that Spurs fans seem to think it's impossible for a top-level player to put up 36 minutes a game when players do it all the time. Manu's done it a hundred times. Since his second year, he's missed 173 of 968 games, which is about 15 games a season. Pop started selectively resting him in, what, 2005? It's a nice luxury to have the depth to allow you to manage minutes of your best players. Pop also chose to bring him off the bench, which nobody else in the NBA would ever have done. Credit to Pop for likely extending Manu's career doing that, but make no mistake that Manu has sacrificed his individual numbers for titles.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

It's amazing how circumstances can dictate a legacy or the hall of fame.. Manu and Tony playing elsewhere I find it highly unlikely they make the HOF because I am assuming they would not win a title or even if they do there is no way they get 4.. But getting to be a part of this great big 3 all these years in SA they will both make it.. It's such a tribute to this era of Spurs basketball that all 3 of them will be in the HOF one day..

Same can be said about McHale and Parish. If not for the draft day trade that sent both to the Celtics playing along side Bird instead of going to the GS. At this point, even without his Int'l resume, Manu would make the the HOF. B/c of his Int'l play resume, he will be a first ballot HOFer.

[wildbill2u]

There will always be so-called experts who will point to the fact that he was not a starter for most of his career in the NBA as if that meant he was inferior to one of the starting five. What they fail to see is that more importantly he was always the finisher, especially in close games, because of his clutch play and ability to knock down the free throws if the game came to that.

[TMTTRIO]

Manu makes the HOF but mainly do to his international career and winning that gold medal in the '04 Olympics. I guess whatever he does in the NBA is extra but won't really be considered. As for the NBA yes he's helped us win a lot of championships but you can say that about a lot of players in the league (Fisher, Kerr, Horry) but that doesn't make them HOF's. His NBA resume isn't that impressive as far as individual accomplishments even though I feel he hasn't gotten some of the recognition he deserves. Of course being a permanent sixth man on this team didn't help him.

[Maddog]

According to the HOF formula on http://www.basketball-reference.com/
He's 21 among active players. Add in the brief but impressive euro career and international play (gold medal)- I think he is a lock.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html?redir

[RD2191]

:lmaoChoke Paul and Fatmelo above Manu.

[RD2191]

Westbrook?:lmao

[RD2191]

Their formula must be fucking garbage, tbh.

[spurraider21]

:lol jamaal tinsley has a chance