2012 Murder Statistics Released

[TSA]

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012


Cities with the most homicides in 2012

1. Chicago | 500
2. New York | 419
3. Detroit | 386
4. Philadelphia | 331
5. Los Angeles | 299
6. Baltimore | 219
7. Houston | 217
8. New Orleans | 193
9. Dallas | 154
10. Memphis | 133
11. Oakland | 126
12. Phoenix | 124
13. St. Louis | 113
14. Kansas City | 105
15. Indianapolis | 101



No wonder Democrats are pushing for more gun control. Care to guess the political demographics of those on the list?

[TeyshaBlue]

I can't believe Dallas is only #9. We can do much better than that. We should easily be able to hit #4 or 5 next year.

[boutons_deux]

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012


Cities with the most homicides in 2012

1. Chicago | 500
2. New York | 419
3. Detroit | 386
4. Philadelphia | 331
5. Los Angeles | 299
6. Baltimore | 219
7. Houston | 217
8. New Orleans | 193
9. Dallas | 154
10. Memphis | 133
11. Oakland | 126
12. Phoenix | 124
13. St. Louis | 113
14. Kansas City | 105
15. Indianapolis | 101



No wonder Democrats are pushing for more gun control. Care to guess the political demographics of those on the list?

less-than-Federal gun regulation is useless when you can buy 1000s of rounds on Internet, guns from gun shows, parking lots, private dealers, etc, etc without b/g checks.

Many big urban centers are Democratic (vs the ignorant gun fellators out in boondocks), but that doesn't cause the gun violence.

[TSA]

Many big urban centers are Democratic (vs the ignorant gun fellators out in boondocks), but that doesn't cause the gun violence.

These ignorant gun fellators you speak so highly of are not the one's committing the majority of the gun crimes. Democrats=handouts=votes=poverty=gun violence

[AntiChrist]

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012


Cities with the most homicides in 2012

1. Chicago | 500
2. New York | 419
3. Detroit | 386
4. Philadelphia | 331
5. Los Angeles | 299
6. Baltimore | 219
7. Houston | 217
8. New Orleans | 193
9. Dallas | 154
10. Memphis | 133
11. Oakland | 126
12. Phoenix | 124
13. St. Louis | 113
14. Kansas City | 105
15. Indianapolis | 101



No wonder Democrats are pushing for more gun control. Care to guess the political demographics of those on the list?



Has an uncanny correlation to this list. I won't mention what this list represents.



New York, NY

8,175,133

1

2,228,145

1

2,088,510

1

139,635



Chicago, IL

2,695,598

2

913,009

2

887,608

3

25,401



Philadelphia, PA

1,526,006

3

686,870

3

661,839

4

25,031



Detroit, MI

713,777

4

601,988

4

590,226

13

11,762



Houston, TX

2,099,451

5

514,217

5

498,466

8

15,751



Memphis, TN

646,889

6

414,928

6

409,687

58

5,241



Baltimore, MD

620,961

7

403,998

7

395,781

29

8,217



Los Angeles, CA

3,792,621

8

402,448

8

365,118

2

37,330



Washington, DC

601,723

9

314,352

9

305,125

22

9,227



Dallas, TX

1,197,816

10

308,087

10

298,993

23

9,094



Columbus, OH

787,033

15

237,077

16

220,241

5

16,836



San Diego, CA

1,307,402

40

104,374

43

87,949

6

16,425



Phoenix, AZ

1,445,632

37

109,544

40

93,608

7

15,936



Indianapolis, IN

829,718

14

240,789

15

226,671

9

14,118



Boston, MA

[boutons_deux]

These ignorant gun fellators you speak so highly of are not the one's committing the majority of the gun crimes. Democrats=handouts=votes=poverty=gun violence

"not the one's committing the majority of the gun crimes."

but plenty of their kids, friends, spouses, etc are dead from accidental and suicidal gun violence.

the ignorant fun fellators shilling "no gun regulations" to enrich the gun industry are directly responsible for flooding the USA with 300M+ guns, making them readily available to the bad buys.

You assholes are therefore directly SOFT ON GUN CRIME while hiding like little chickenshits behind The Second Amendment.

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.popspotsnyc.com/pretzel_logic/Pretzel_logic.jpg

[Creepn]

I can't believe Dallas is only #9. We can do much better than that. We should easily be able to hit #4 or 5 next year.

Wouldn't count on it. Dallas has been ranked the #1 happiest city in the nation. We beat out the gays in San Francisco.

[TeyshaBlue]

Wouldn't count on it. Dallas has been ranked the #1 happiest city in the nation. We beat out the gays in San Francisco.

Well, that explains all the fuckin' skipping downtown.

[TSA]

but plenty of their kids, friends, spouses, etc are dead from accidental and suicidal gun violence.Not even close to the amount killed in the Democratic urban centers.


the ignorant fun fellators shilling "no gun regulations" to enrich the gun industry are directly responsible for flooding the USA with 300M+ guns, making them readily available to the bad buys.The people directly responsible for the gun violence are not gun fellators dipshit, stop being ignorant.


You assholes are therefore directly SOFT ON GUN CRIME while hiding like little chickenshits behind The Second Amendment.Gun fellators are not forcing anyone to commit crimes. I'd argue the Democrats are directly responsible as they have continued to give handouts to those that continue voting for them, keeping them forever ever locked in poverty and violence.

[TeyshaBlue]

..and prancing. Don't forget the fucking prancing!

[cantthinkofanything]

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012


Cities with the most homicides in 2012

1. Chicago | 500
2. New York | 419
3. Detroit | 386
4. Philadelphia | 331
5. Los Angeles | 299
6. Baltimore | 219
7. Houston | 217
8. New Orleans | 193
9. Dallas | 154
10. Memphis | 133
11. Oakland | 126
12. Phoenix | 124
13. St. Louis | 113
14. Kansas City | 105
15. Indianapolis | 101











































No wonder Democrats are pushing for more gun control. Care to guess the political demographics of those on the list?

Top 10 cities with highest number of black population:



New York, NY
2,088,510


Chicago, IL
887,608


Philadelphia, PA
661,839


Detroit, MI
590,226


Houston, TX
498,466


Memphis, TN
409,687


Baltimore, MD
395,781


Los Angeles, CA
365,118


Washington, DC
305,125


Dallas, TX
298,993

[CosmicCowboy]

Top 10 cities with highest number of black population:



New York, NY
2,088,510


Chicago, IL
887,608


Philadelphia, PA
661,839


Detroit, MI
590,226


Houston, TX
498,466


Memphis, TN
409,687


Baltimore, MD
395,781


Los Angeles, CA
365,118


Washington, DC
305,125


Dallas, TX
298,993



uh oh.

Get ready for the whistle and the yellow racist penalty flag just for stating the obvious.

[TeyshaBlue]

Pretty sure that's the exact order of the Top 10 cities with the highest number of whites.

[CosmicCowboy]

Pretty sure that's the exact order of the Top 10 cities with the highest number of whites.

Top ten cities 2011 census.

1. New York, New York - 8,214,426
2. Los Angeles, California - 3,849,378
3. Chicago, Illinois - 2,833,321
4. Houston, Texas - 2,144,491
5. Phoenix, Arizona - 1,512,986
6. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - 1,448,394
7. San Antonio, Texas - 1,296,682
8. San Diego, California - 1,256,951
9. Dallas, Texas - 1,232,940
10. San Jose, California - 929,936

MSA list of course would be different.

[AntiChrist]

Pretty sure that's the exact order of the Top 10 cities with the highest number of whites.

Seriously? Detroit, Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans

[TeyshaBlue]

Yup...same cities, little different order.

[CosmicCowboy]

Simple fact is there were more murders committed in the US in 2011 by blacks than all other races combined.

[TeyshaBlue]

In every one of those cities, whites are still the majority population....and the differences are fairly stark. Not sure what picture you're trying to paint here.

[TeyshaBlue]

Simple fact is there were more murders committed in the US in 2011 by blacks than all other races combined.

Ok, I'll bite. cite?

[TeyshaBlue]

Ok, I'll bite. cite?

'case the FBI says "nope".

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/49tabledatadecpdf

[TeyshaBlue]

And these figures are only arrests. Got to look at convictions for the final stats I suspect.

[AntiChrist]

In every one of those cities, whites are still the majority population....

Not true

[TeyshaBlue]

Whites appear to kick total ass in the rest of the catagories, so I guess we have that to be proud of. We're #1!

[TeyshaBlue]

Not true

According to your embedded chart they are.

[TeyshaBlue]

'course I could be reading it wrong since you were too big of a pussy to link it.

[CosmicCowboy]

'case the FBI says "nope".

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/49tabledatadecpdf

FBI says yes.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3

Of the murders in the US in 2011 where the offender was caught, 52.39% were black yet they comprise only 13.1% of the total population. Pretty striking number.

[AntiChrist]

According to your embedded chart they are.

Detroit -- 82.7% African American
Baltimore -- 63.7
Memphis -- 63.3
New Orleans -- 60.2

[TeyshaBlue]

If that's the case, I'll start over and blow this racist bullshit to pieces all over again.

[TeyshaBlue]

FBI says yes.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3

Of the murders in the US in 2011 where the offender was caught, 52.39% were black yet they comprise only 13.1% of the total population. Pretty striking number.

Oh, now we're talking per capita. That's a different conversation. I don't think you're ready to have that one yet.

[TeyshaBlue]

Oh, now we're talking arrests per capita. That's a different conversation. I don't think you're ready to have that one yet.

[TeyshaBlue]

Shit...I cant edit a quote to save my fucking life.

[TeyshaBlue]

Somebody...I think I broke my fucking hip.

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

Oh, now we're talking per capita. That's a different conversation. I don't think you're ready to have that one yet.

I'm not talking per capita. Look at the FBI link. Thats raw numbers. Blacks committed more murders than all other races combined.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3

[TeyshaBlue]

53%...arrests. I know this. Convictions are where the meat is.

[TeyshaBlue]

And that figure will launch a whole different discussion. You'd better put on your big boy pants for that one.

[CosmicCowboy]

And that figure will launch a whole different discussion. You'd better put on your big boy pants for that one.

I'm not sure I understand where you are going with that?

[TeyshaBlue]

Then let's see some conviction figures and we'll get started.

[CosmicCowboy]

Then let's see some conviction figures and we'll get started.

Do you not find that 53% number shocking? I did.

[TeyshaBlue]

From an arrest standpoint, not really.

[CosmicCowboy]

From an arrest standpoint, not really.

Seriously? Are you claiming institutional racism? The "man" is framing blacks for murder?

[TeyshaBlue]

BTW, the unknown Delta of 4,077 is more disturbing.

[CosmicCowboy]

BTW, the unknown Delta of 4,077 is more disturbing.

One would have to assume that the unknown would distribution track pretty much the same as the known.

[TeyshaBlue]

Seriously? Are you claiming institutional racism? The "man" is framing blacks for murder?

Partially...and no, there is no "man" nor straw mannish "framing". There is systemic racism in addition to institutional racism. That's well documented.

[TeyshaBlue]

One would have to assume that the unknown would track pretty much the same as the known.

Not really when "other" is less than 10% of the known catagories.

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously? Are you claiming institutional racism? The "man" is framing blacks for murder?There are some pretty high profile examples of that around here tbh.

Anthony Graves comes to mind.

I'm sure he counted as a murder arrest at the time.

[CosmicCowboy]

Partially...and no, there is no "man" nor straw mannish "framing". There is systemic racism in addition to institutional racism. That's well documented.


Cite from a reputable source?

I refuse to believe that law enforcement is intentionally arresting blacks for crimes they know they didn't commit.

[CosmicCowboy]

There are some pretty high profile examples of that around here tbh.

Anthony Graves comes to mind.

I'm sure he counted as a murder arrest at the time.

Of course there will be mistakes and corrections but he is claiming they are intentionally aimed at blacks. Big difference.

[ChumpDumper]

Of course there will be mistakes and corrections but he is claiming they are intentionally aimed at blacks. Big difference.That case was intentionally aimed at a black man. The prosecuting DA withheld information that exonerated him.


So it's not like it doesn't happen.

[TeyshaBlue]

Cite from a reputable source?

I refuse to believe that law enforcement is intentionally arresting blacks for crimes they know they didn't commit.

That's not exactly what institutional racism is. It's more like "we don't know who did what, but hey, Rufus is black. Let's start there."

Actually, you could start with the progressive policy of soft racism in schools. The prevailing logic was that minority students could not excel like a white student could. Therefore, there needed to be all kinds of accomodations for the black student. It wasn't until Bush and co took the reigns in Tx that that policy was shown for exactly what it was. Institutional racism.

[TeyshaBlue]

I mean, Jim Crow was not exactly flying under the radar, CC.

[CosmicCowboy]

I mean, Jim Crow was not exactly flying under the radar, CC.

was is was

BTW, the FBI cite wasn't just arrests or suspected, but arrested and charged by a grand jury.


In the UCR Program, a law enforcement agency reports that an offense is cleared by arrest, or solved for crime reporting purposes, when three specific conditions have been met. The three conditions are that at least one person has been:

Arrested.
Charged with the commission of the offense.
Turned over to the court for prosecution (whether following arrest, court summons, or police notice).

[TeyshaBlue]

One. The US has seen a surge in arrests and putting people in jail over the last four decades. Most of the reason is the war on drugs. Yet whites and blacks engage in drug offenses, possession and sales, at roughly comparable rates — according to a report on race and drug enforcement published by Human Rights Watch in May 2008. While African Americans comprise 13% of the US population and 14% of monthly drug users they are 37% of the people arrested for drug offenses — according to 2009 Congressional testimony by Marc Mauer of The Sentencing Project.

Start here, and free your mind.

http://newamericamedia.org/2010/08/fourteen-examples-of-systemic-racism-in-the-us-criminal-justice-system.php

[TeyshaBlue]

was is was

BTW, the FBI cite wasn't just arrests or suspected, but arrested and charged by a grand jury.

Thanks. I'm looking for convictions.

[CosmicCowboy]

That case was intentionally aimed at a black man. The prosecuting DA withheld information that exonerated him.


So it's not like it doesn't happen.

prosecutorial misconduct isn't necessarily racism.

[TeyshaBlue]

Jim Crow was an example of institutional racism...you know that thing you say doesn't exist.

[TeyshaBlue]

prosecutorial misconduct isn't necessarily racism.

See: Institutional.

[TeyshaBlue]

Ok, it was prosecutorial not-necessarily-racism aimed at a black man.

Got it.

[TeyshaBlue]

Please......http://homerecording.com/bbs/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

Admitting it exists does not make you complicit in it's existence. Denial, however, pretty much does.

[CosmicCowboy]

Thanks. I'm looking for convictions.

Then move your own damn goalpost....:p:

13% of the population, 53% of the murders prosecuted. Still a shocking statistic. I didn't realize it until I just looked today. You certainly don't hear about it in the media.

[TeyshaBlue]

I choose not to be complicit.

[ChumpDumper]

prosecutorial misconduct isn't necessarily racism.


See: Institutional.:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Then move your own damn goalpost....:p:

13% of the population, 53% of the murders prosecuted. Still a shocking statistic. I didn't realize it until I just looked today. You certainly don't hear about it in the media.

Dude, it's been all over the place for the last 3 decades. This is not news anymore.

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.intergroupresources.com/rc/Definitions%20of%20Racism.pdf

[CosmicCowboy]

Ok, it was prosecutorial not-necessarily-racism aimed at a black man.

Got it.

I'm saying that prosecutors typically cheat to get the win, not just to fuck over a black guy. Not knowing him personally or haqving done any extensive investigation I suspect a prosecutor inclined to cheat to win will do it no matter what the race of the defendant.

[TeyshaBlue]

The frustrating thing is we're on the actual cusp of being able to address this. We have the data. We have the research. We have methodologies galore (not saying all or any of them are the magic bullet), but we don't have the social acknowledgement yet that this is an actual problem. Almost there. Not quite.

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm saying that prosecutors typically cheat to get the win, not just to fuck over a black guy. Not knowing him personally or haqving done any extensive investigation I suspect a prosecutor inclined to cheat to win will do it no matter what the race of the defendant.

A prosecutor that cheats to win will likely not prosecute for long.

That appears to be a self limiting career technique.

[TeyshaBlue]

Can you really deny that the black population is a "target rich environment"?


Ever wonder why that is? Because when you start there, you are beginning to ask the right questions.

[TeyshaBlue]

When I broach this in other forums, I usually get labeled a "White Guilt" libtard.

That always makes me giggle.

[TeyshaBlue]

'shup Creepn or I'll have a talk with CF.:ihit

[Creepn]

'shup Creepn or I'll have a talk with CF.:ihit

I can't enjoy a cosmic cowboy beatdown without being threatened?

[TeyshaBlue]

See: Structural (bbs) racism.:p:


Actually, I figured you'd jump on the libtard label. It was a pre-emptive strike.:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm not trying to beat down CC. I like the dude. Just want to have this discussion with him..and so far he's participating quite well.

[CosmicCowboy]

What beat down? All I have done is quote FBI statistics.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

When I broach this in other forums, I usually get labeled a "White Guilt" libtard.

That always makes me giggle.


http://i44.tinypic.com/mubwpd.jpg

[TSA]

The frustrating thing is we're on the actual cusp of being able to address this. We have the data. We have the research. We have methodologies galore (not saying all or any of them are the magic bullet), but we don't have the social acknowledgement yet that this is an actual problem. Almost there. Not quite.

When black leaders (Obamba, Sharpton, Jackson etc) won't acknowledge the problem it makes everyone else afraid to speak up for fear of being labeled a racist.

[TeyshaBlue]

herpderp

Die in a fire.

[TeyshaBlue]

When black leaders (Obamba, Sharpton, Jackson etc) won't acknowledge the problem it makes everyone else afraid to speak up for fear of being labeled a racist.

Depends entirely upon what you say the problem is. The asshole previous to your post manages to completely retard a discussion.

[TSA]

Depends entirely upon what you say the problem is. The asshole previous to your post manages to completely retard a discussion.

Poverty with no end in sight because of the dependence on government help.

[Th'Pusher]

When black leaders (Obamba, Sharpton, Jackson etc) won't acknowledge the problem it makes everyone else afraid to speak up for fear of being labeled a racist.
Yes. Please explain exactly what the problem is...

[TeyshaBlue]

That's but a single element...actually, it's more of a symptom, imo.

[Trill Clinton]

gonna sit this one out. seems like TeyshaBlue(my uncle) and chump have it in the bag. very insightful posts being made by these brothers and sadly, they're going right over peoples heads


http://i44.tinypic.com/140zvd5.gif

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol
gonna sit this one out. seems like TeyshaBlue(my uncle) and chump have it in the bag. very insightful posts being made by these brothers and sadly, they're going right over peoples heads


http://i44.tinypic.com/140zvd5.gif

http://i.adultswim.com/adultswim/tools/img/shows/wiki/theboondocks/characters/uncle280.jpg

[TeyshaBlue]

Not going over anyone's heads, tbh. There's a lot of cultural inertia at play here. It's not insurmountable tho.

[TeyshaBlue]

CC has a working brain pan. He's demonstrated that on many occasions.

[Trill Clinton]

:lol

http://i.adultswim.com/adultswim/tools/img/shows/wiki/theboondocks/characters/uncle280.jpg

:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

So does TSA tbh.

[TSA]

Yes. Please explain exactly what the problem is...

High rates of crime in these citites due to lack of education/poor educational opportunities, lack of parenting/family values, lack of jobs, dependance upon the government.

[CosmicCowboy]

gonna sit this one out. seems like TeyshaBlue(my uncle) and chump have it in the bag. very insightful posts being made by these brothers and sadly, they're going right over peoples heads


http://i44.tinypic.com/140zvd5.gif

Nothings going over my head fuckwad.

I just question the never ending institutional racism "keeping you down" charge when the freaking President of the United States and the head of the US Department of Justice are both black.

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol

Well, I wasn't gonna go with Uncle Remus.
http://misfit120.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/uncle-remus.jpg?w=640&h=480

[TeyshaBlue]

High rates of crime in these citites due to lack of education/poor educational opportunities, lack of parenting/family values, lack of jobs, dependance upon the government.

Better. Again, I think some of those are symptoms or even results of an underlying set of problems.

[Th'Pusher]

High rates of crime in these citites due to lack of education/poor educational opportunities, lack of parenting/family values, lack of jobs, dependance upon the government.

Ah, he's now expounded on his answer that it's the big bad government's fault. Anything else?

[TeyshaBlue]

I swear that I cloned Uncle Remus's beard tho. Weird.

[TeyshaBlue]

Ah, he's now expounded on his answer that it's the big bad government's fault for transfers. Anything else?

To be fair, I don't think he was attributing all of those factors to government aid or the like.

[CosmicCowboy]

To be fair, I don't think he was attributing all of those factors to government aid or the like.

X2

It was one item in a list of items.

[Trill Clinton]

Nothings going over my head fuckwad.

I just question the never ending institutional racism "keeping you down" charge when the freaking President of the United States and the head of the US Department of Justice are both black.

obama is just as much white as he is black

[TeyshaBlue]

We need to start at the structure of these problems. The foundation and the elements that laid that foundation.

The things we see are only the results.

[CosmicCowboy]

Ah, he's now expounded on his answer that it's the big bad government's fault. Anything else?

Maybe before you criticize his take you should offer your own explanation?

[CosmicCowboy]

We need to start at the structure of these problems. The foundation and the elements that laid that foundation.

The things we see are only the results.

Howard Cosell got fired for doing that...:p:

[TeyshaBlue]

BTW, I don't claim to have any answers really. I'm probably not as smart as I think I am. That being said, there's a case to be made to dive underneath the symptoms and examine the roots. I believe that a big player in the foundation is structural/institutional racism. Racism may not be the proper descriptor, but it's the only one I can come up with.

[Trill Clinton]

I swear that I cloned Uncle Remus's beard tho. Weird.

is this you?

378345646807187456

[TeyshaBlue]

Howard Cosell got fired for doing that...:p:

Jimmy The Greek waves his testicles at you!:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

is this you?

378345646807187456

On twitter? Oh hell no.

[TeyshaBlue]

My profile has a pic of me and my tactical accordion. I'm sportin' a Remus.

[Th'Pusher]

Poverty with no end in sight because of the dependence on government help.


X2

It was one item in a list of items.
Bullshit. His initial, typically emotional response, reasoned perpetual poverty because of government handouts. TB called him on it and he added a few things in his response to me so he didn't look like a complete moron.

[vy65]

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Page 11:

"In 2008 the offending rate for blacks (24.7 offenders per 100,000) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4 offenders per 100,000)"

[CosmicCowboy]

BTW, I don't claim to have any answers really. I'm probably not as smart as I think I am. That being said, there's a case to be made to dive underneath the symptoms and examine the roots. I believe that a big player in the foundation is structural/institutional racism. Racism may not be the proper descriptor, but it's the only one I can come up with.

I wish there WAS an answer.

At this point I fear it is a self-perpetuating snowball rolling downhill.

[TeyshaBlue]

Bullshit. His initial, typically emotional response, reasoned perpetual poverty because of government handouts. TB called him on it and he added a few things in his response to me so he didn't look like a complete moron.

We call this self-examination. It's a good thing, Push.

[TSA]

To be fair, I don't think he was attributing all of those factors to government aid or the like.Not at all, as it was only one thing among others listed.

[Th'Pusher]

Maybe before you criticize his take you should offer your own explanation?

No, I'm fine with where TB is taking this. Some teaching is going on here and you are the student.

[TeyshaBlue]

I wish there WAS an answer.

At this point I fear it is a self-perpetuating snowball rolling downhill.

There's always an answer....unless you're going to go boutons and be fucked and unfuckable.:lol

[TSA]

Bullshit. His initial, typically emotional response, reasoned perpetual poverty because of government handouts.
Are you saying it is not a factor?

[CosmicCowboy]

No, I'm fine with where TB is taking this. Some teaching is going on here and you are the student.

You are a fucking idiot.

[Creepn]

No, I'm fine with where TB is taking this. Some teaching is going on here and you are the student.

Yeah, I've noticed it takes a white person to school a white person on stuff like this to make a dent. Problem is that not many whites wants to take that type of stance.

[TeyshaBlue]

No, I'm fine with where TB is taking this. Some teaching is going on here and you are the student.

Dude, if I'm teaching, we're fucked.






And you make a good point, obliquely at least. The solution can not be dictated nor solved by a person. The problems certainly weren't caused by a single person.

[Creepn]

You are a fucking idiot.

This is the typical response towards a black person on topics like this.

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you saying it is not a factor?

That little kunt is just an ankle biter. He is incapable of forming his own articulate position and defending it.

[TeyshaBlue]

Yeah, I've noticed it takes a white person to school a white person on stuff like this to make a dent. Problem is that not many whites wants to take that type of stance.

I think more do. I also don't think many really know how to get into a discussion like this and be productive with it yet. Seriously. Inertia is weird.

[Th'Pusher]

We call this self-examination. It's a good thing, Push.

Youre right :tu . TSA is a very emotional poster whose initial responses are crafted without a lick of critical thought.

[Trill Clinton]

CC, where are you getting this "the man is keeping us down" angle? i do agree with uncle tey that institutional and systematic racism is the root of the problem. seems like no matter where you go in the world, the darker your skin the more likely you are to be oppressed or poor, true story.

[Th'Pusher]

You are a fucking idiot.

Emo.

[TSA]

That little kunt is just an ankle biter. He is incapable of forming his own articulate position and defending it.He thinks he's got me pegged as some gun toting racist. Gun loving sure. Racist, never.

[TSA]

Youre right :tu . TSA is a very emotional poster whose initial responses are crafted without a lick of critical thought.Your contributions to this thread have been eye opening. Please continue.

[vy65]

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Page 11:

"In 2008 the offending rate for blacks (24.7 offenders per 100,000) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4 offenders per 100,000)"

For the period 1990 - 2008, 52.5% of all homicide offenders were black compared to 45.3% who were white.

[Th'Pusher]

Are you saying it is not a factor?
No. I actually agree with TB that it's a symptom more than root cause.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC, where are you getting this "the man is keeping us down" angle? i do agree with uncle tey that institutional and systematic racism is the root of the problem. seems like no matter where you go in the world, the darker your skin the more likely you are to be oppressed or poor, true story.

So melanin is the problem?

[Th'Pusher]

For the period 1990 - 2008, 52.5% of all homicide offenders were black compared to 45.3% who were white.
Yeah. We've kinda moved on past that.

[CosmicCowboy]

I mean...Africa is a shithole but it's not because of white oppression.

[TeyshaBlue]

CC, where are you getting this "the man is keeping us down" angle? i do agree with uncle tey that institutional and systematic racism is the root of the problem. seems like no matter where you go in the world, the darker your skin the more likely you are to be oppressed or poor, true story.

I'm more in the systemic school of thought rather than the systematic.


Systematically, the <40's-50's-60's, for sure. Now, it's ingrained and systemic. Institutional is an expression of systemic. Educational is an expression of systemic. Economic is an expression of systemic. Even aspects of cultural are expressions of systemic.

[vy65]

So melanin is the problem?

What was the resolution? I didn't see any stat's based on convictions?

[Creepn]

I mean...Africa is a shithole but it's not because of white oppression.

HA!! HAHAHAHHAHAAHHHAAAA!!!

[TeyshaBlue]

HA!! HAHAHAHHAHAAHHHAAAA!!!

Drachen says it should be Haw Haw Haw!

[Th'Pusher]

He thinks he's got me pegged as some gun toting racist. Gun loving sure. Racist, never.

I don't think you're a racist, I just think you're quick to blame the ills of society on the big bad government without any root cause analysis.

[TeyshaBlue]

Although that looks like how a french laugh sounds. So maybe not.

[TeyshaBlue]

I don't think you're a racist, I just think you're quick to blame the ills of society on the big bad government without any root cause analysis.

Well, as a starting point and working backwards from there, you can get to the root. Eventually. Might not be easy tho.

[CosmicCowboy]

HA!! HAHAHAHHAHAAHHHAAAA!!!

Seriously...you are going back 100 years to prove oppression?

Self rule hasn't exactly been a blinding success.

[Creepn]

Although that looks like how a french laugh sounds. So maybe not.

Maybe tickle me elmo because CC just tickles me with the shit he says.

[TeyshaBlue]

Seriously...you are going back 100 years to prove oppression?

Self rule hasn't exactly been a blinding success.

I absolutely cannot go global with this. Just not equipped to. But, the entire world has been fucking Africa over for, oh, about a thousand years now.

[CosmicCowboy]

Maybe tickle me elmo because CC just tickles me with the shit he says.

If you want to participate in an adult conversation try to express opinions instead of just your perpetual ankle biting.

[cheguevara]

there are more murders in the "hood" because the front lines of the war on drugs are in the "hood". That is by design.

[Trill Clinton]

So melanin is the problem?

part of it. i just find it odd that people of color, globally, are typically of the lower class and have a history of oppression in their respective countries.


I mean...Africa is a shithole but it's not because of white oppression.

i disagree. afica is the richest continent in regards to natural resources and most of the money being made doesn't go into the pockets of black africans, true story. there is some sinister shit going on in africa.

[Creepn]

Seriously...you are going back 100 years to prove oppression?

Self rule hasn't exactly been a blinding success.

Hey you brought it up not me. I thought we was talking about the "root" of problems?

[Trill Clinton]

there are more murders in the "hood" because the front lines of the war on drugs are in the "hood". That is by design.

yes

[CosmicCowboy]

I absolutely cannot go global with this. Just not equipped to. But, the entire world has been fucking Africa over for, oh, about a thousand years now.

I was perfectly happy to keep it local but Trill took it global.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the N!GGER has invented nothing.

1). Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calendar, a plow, a road, a bridge, a railway, a ship, a system of measurement, or even the wheel.

2). He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop or domesticated a single animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beasts abounded around him)

3). His only known means of transporting goods was on the top of his hard burry head. For shelter he never progressed beyond the common mud hut, the construction of which a beaver or muskrat is capable.

4). He never build a house although there were millions of board feet of lumber at his fingertips; he never built a table or chairs; he never built a chest of drawers, a dresser; he never built a bed, or desk; he never built a kitchen, never built a stove; he never formed a brick, until he saw the white man do it; he never made a knife, spoon, fork, dish, glass, cup, or any of the other things to eat with; he never built a building; created a money system; he never discovered how to doctor those who were sick except with a few natural remedies that he accidentally found; he never built a fireplace to cook and warm himself with; he never weaved a piece of cloth, nor made a shirt, pants, dress, bed clothes, sheets, spreads, quilts, or anything of the sort; he never built an automobile, an airplane, a train, a bus, truck, tractor; he never farmed anything until the white man showed him how

real talk

and n!gger lovers like Teysha believe not only can they be civilized, they can also contribute to western society :lmao

[Trill Clinton]

I'm more in the systemic school of thought rather than the systematic.


Systematically, the <40's-50's-60's, for sure. Now, it's ingrained and systemic. Institutional is an expression of systemic. Educational is an expression of systemic. Economic is an expression of systemic. Even aspects of cultural are expressions of systemic.


yessssssss.

[CosmicCowboy]

part of it. i just find it odd that people of color, globally, are typically of the lower class and have a history of oppression in their respective countries.



i disagree. afica is the richest continent in regards to natural resources and most of the money being made doesn't go into the pockets of black africans, true story. there is some sinister shit going on in africa.

A ton of money has certainly found it's way into the pockets of a few african dictators.

[TSA]

I don't think you're a racist, I just think you're quick to blame the ills of society on the big bad government without any root cause analysis.

I'm not blaming the government for poverty, I'm blaming the government for keeping people in poverty.

[CosmicCowboy]

Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the N!GGER has invented nothing.

1). Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calendar, a plow, a road, a bridge, a railway, a ship, a system of measurement, or even the wheel.

2). He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop or domesticated a single animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beasts abounded around him)

3). His only known means of transporting goods was on the top of his hard burry head. For shelter he never progressed beyond the common mud hut, the construction of which a beaver or muskrat is capable.

4). He never build a house although there were millions of board feet of lumber at his fingertips; he never built a table or chairs; he never built a chest of drawers, a dresser; he never built a bed, or desk; he never built a kitchen, never built a stove; he never formed a brick, until he saw the white man do it; he never made a knife, spoon, fork, dish, glass, cup, or any of the other things to eat with; he never built a building; created a money system; he never discovered how to doctor those who were sick except with a few natural remedies that he accidentally found; he never built a fireplace to cook and warm himself with; he never weaved a piece of cloth, nor made a shirt, pants, dress, bed clothes, sheets, spreads, quilts, or anything of the sort; he never built an automobile, an airplane, a train, a bus, truck, tractor; he never farmed anything until the white man showed him how

real talk

and n!gger lovers like Teysha believe not only can they be civilized, they can also contribute to western society :lmao

Jeezus. Get the fuck out of here.

[TeyshaBlue]

Look, I'll cut to the chase with the caveat that I have zero practical research behind this. It's my belief that the roots of our current state of systemic racism predates the founding of this nation. It's a product of Western Civilization and, as much as we wish it weren't, it's most prevalent in the US because, frankly, we're among the youngest of that group. It still exists worldwide..indeed it takes many different forms in other areas ... see the immigration struggles with Muslims or Middle Easterners in the older nations.

[TeyshaBlue]

and n!gger lovers like Teysha believe not only can they be civilized, they can also contribute to western society :lmao

real talk. Go climb a wall of dicks.

[cheguevara]

I'm not blaming the government for poverty, I'm blaming the government for keeping people in poverty.

Unfortunately the "government" is not an entity. You and we all have been lied to and get lied to daily. Again, the government IS NOT AN ENTITY. It is a tool.

and like any tool, it can be used for good or for evil. and like any tool, someone needs to control it. I think it's pretty safe to say who "controls" the government.

[TeyshaBlue]

there are more murders in the "hood" because the front lines of the war on drugs are in the "hood". That is by design.

This is not by design, in the classical sense. It is a result of systemics.

[cheguevara]

This is not by design, in the classical sense. It is a result of systemics.

Yes and no. The war on drugs was engineered when it first started, and every once in a while an "engineer" comes and modifies it accordingly to the "design"

[CosmicCowboy]

there are more murders in the "hood" because the front lines of the war on drugs are in the "hood". That is by design.

More about the war ABOUT drugs, not the war ON drugs.

[Th'Pusher]

Look, I'll cut to the chase with the caveat that I have zero practical research behind this. It's my belief that the roots of our current state of systemic racism predates the founding of this nation. It's a product of Western Civilization and, as much as we wish it weren't, it's most prevalent in the US because, frankly, we're among the youngest of that group. It still exists worldwide..indeed it takes many different forms in other areas ... see the immigration struggles with Muslims or Middle Easterners in the older nations.

Oh. Wait. Never mind. This guy is not teaching anyone or anything.

:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Yes and no. The war on drugs was engineered when it first started, and every once in a while an "engineer" comes and modifies it accordingly to the "design"

I feel like I'm in an episode of Fringe and The Observers are manipulating reality, when you post.

[vy65]

I'm more in the systemic school of thought rather than the systematic.


Systematically, the <40's-50's-60's, for sure. Now, it's ingrained and systemic. Institutional is an expression of systemic. Educational is an expression of systemic. Economic is an expression of systemic. Even aspects of cultural are expressions of systemic.

Oppression is systemic. You could say the same exact thing about any minority group: women, immigrants, religious minorities, gays, etc... Hierarchies exist today just as they did 100 years ago just as they did 1,000 years ago. They're inevitable as a part of human society. As a result, it's kinda stupid to say "racism exists at an institutional level" or "systemic racism is still pervasive" because racism, along with other forms of oppression, is inevitable. Utopia does not, nor will it ever, exist.

Rather than debating over the finer points of whether racism exists (it does), and at what levels, the discussion should really be about what you do with that inevitability. Frankly, the situation today has reached a level of never-before-seen equality that it's really comical to claim clandestine structures of racism of deep-seated cultural hatreds still hold blacks (or any minority) down. Really, people that point to institutionalized or culturally ingrained racism are really coming up with excuses for their own non-mobility. That's not to say racism still doesn't exist and still doesn't have effects. Oppression is inevitable; you can choose to move on or you can whine like a little bitch.

[TeyshaBlue]

Oh. Wait. Never mind. This guy is not teaching anyone or anything.

:lol

Troof.

[CosmicCowboy]

Oppression is systemic. You could say the same exact thing about any minority group: women, immigrants, religious minorities, gays, etc... Hierarchies exist today just as they did 100 years ago just as they did 1,000 years ago. They're inevitable as a part of human society. As a result, it's kinda stupid to say "racism exists at an institutional level" or "systemic racism is still pervasive" because racism, along with other forms of oppression, is inevitable. Utopia does not, nor will it ever, exist.

Rather than debating over the finer points of whether racism exists (it does), and at what levels, the discussion should really be about what you do with that inevitability. Frankly, the situation today has reached a level of never-before-seen equality that it's really comical to claim clandestine structures of racism of deep-seated cultural hatreds still hold blacks (or any minority) down. Really, people that point to institutionalized or culturally ingrained racism are really coming up with excuses for their own non-mobility. That's not to say racism still doesn't exist and still doesn't have effects. Oppression is inevitable; you can choose to move on or you can whine like a little bitch.

X2

[cheguevara]

More about the war ABOUT drugs, not the war ON drugs.

No. The war ON drugs. Law enforcement has purposely put the frontlines of the war ON drugs in the hood. The frontlines could easily be some place else, like the suburbs, the financial systems, etc.

[TeyshaBlue]

Oppression is systemic. You could say the same exact thing about any minority group: women, immigrants, religious minorities, gays, etc... Hierarchies exist today just as they did 100 years ago just as they did 1,000 years ago. They're inevitable as a part of human society. As a result, it's kinda stupid to say "racism exists at an institutional level" or "systemic racism is still pervasive" because racism, along with other forms of oppression, is inevitable. Utopia does not, nor will it ever, exist.

Rather than debating over the finer points of whether racism exists (it does), and at what levels, the discussion should really be about what you do with that inevitability. Frankly, the situation today has reached a level of never-before-seen equality that it's really comical to claim clandestine structures of racism of deep-seated cultural hatreds still hold blacks (or any minority) down. Really, people that point to institutionalized or culturally ingrained racism are really coming up with excuses for their own non-mobility. That's not to say racism still doesn't exist and still doesn't have effects. Oppression is inevitable; you can choose to move on or you can whine like a little bitch.

All you have to do is swim through education for about a decade, like I did, and you'll see that it is not inevitable. You can also see classical studies and approaches, within the context of education, that are completely successful at identifying and reversing the effects of systemic racism.... effectively banishing it. Inevitability is a cop out.

[vy65]

All you have to do is swim through education for about a decade, like I did, and you'll see that it is not inevitable. You can also see classical studies and approaches, within the context of education, that are completely successful at identifying and reversing the effects of systemic racism.... effectively banishing it. Inevitability is a cop out.

Gimme some examples, because I don't know what you mean by "swim through education."

[TeyshaBlue]

50 years ago, it was not inevitable that we would have a black president, or SSC Justice, etc....

[Trill Clinton]

No. The war ON drugs. Law enforcement has purposely put the frontlines of the war ON drugs in the hood. The frontlines could easily be some place else, like the suburbs, the financial systems, etc.

not to mention the 3 strike laws, rockefeller laws that followed that put young people in color in prison for the rest of their lives for crimes whites only served a year for. the prison industry is bringing in billions of dollars and amerikkka will make sure it thrives.

[TeyshaBlue]

Gimme some examples, because I don't know what you mean by "swim through education."

I was a classroom teacher for 10 years. Hold on and I'll link you some articles written by Jim Schultze.
I was a part of some the studies he refers to.

[vy65]

50 years ago, it was not inevitable that we would have a black president, or SSC Justice, etc....

That's half of my point - things have gotten much better. But the fact that the concept of a black president was uninteligible in 1955 doesn't mean we're on some grand teleogical journey towards racism-free land.

[CosmicCowboy]

No. The war ON drugs. Law enforcement has purposely put the frontlines of the war ON drugs in the hood. The frontlines could easily be some place else, like the suburbs, the financial systems, etc.

Oh please. If LE "wanted it" in the suburbs do you really think soccer moms would suddenly be slinging meth and having drivebys with their 9's and their minivans?

[vy65]

All you have to do is swim through education for about a decade, like I did, and you'll see that it is not inevitable. You can also see classical studies and approaches, within the context of education, that are completely successful at identifying and reversing the effects of systemic racism.... effectively banishing it. Inevitability is a cop out.

The fact that these successes (which is awesome, I'm not trying to disparage you) didn't spill over outside the school setting suggests that they were less-than-effective.

[TeyshaBlue]

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2012/09/chicagos_teacher_quality_debat.php

http://www.dallasobserver.com/1998-09-10/news/some-fly-some-die/

[TeyshaBlue]

The fact that these successes (which is awesome, I'm not trying to disparage you) didn't spill over outside the school setting suggests that they were less-than-effective.

They didn't spill because they were, largely, local experiments. Just when this was picking up steam, 9/11 happened. NCLB emerged from the clusterfuck as, well, a clusterfuck.

The research behind it was solid. The implementation was hideous.

[Trill Clinton]

the fake outrage in here is digusting. y'all don't give a damn about the murder stats because its blacks killing blacks. when blacks are gunning down white people on the regular then we can have a race discussion lol.

[TeyshaBlue]

The central concept in these studies was the nullification of systemic racism in education.

[TeyshaBlue]

That's half of my point - things have gotten much better. But the fact that the concept of a black president was uninteligible in 1955 doesn't mean we're on some grand teleogical journey towards racism-free land.

Oh, I completely agree. But the progress made has been largely the result of "low hanging fruit" if such a metaphor can be made here.

Now another level of hard work begins.

[vy65]

Only read the first article. I'll get to the second one later.

Two things jump out: 1) I didn't see any suggestion that systematic or systemic racism had been cured. I did see an indication that, what might be called its effects, had been curtailed as seen in test scores. Racism isn't reducible to poor performance in school - hatred/fear/anger/etc... directed towards another race is manifested in poor performance, but isn't reducible to such. 2) the point of the second article really flies in the face of a lot of the victimization and pandering that some posters have displayed in this thread. Particularly the notion of individual dignity, not letting circumstances keep one down, etc... It is very hard to insist on individual agency, on the one hand, and decry the far-reaching, dominating (almost pre-destining) effect of structures on the other.

[cheguevara]

sorry but Obama is not a "black man". He is half black, half white. He was brough up by white grandparents in Hawaii for christsakes

Wake me up when a guy like this guy and who is brought up in the 'hood' becomes president: :lol

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Djimon_Hounsou_push_premiere_(cropped).jpg

[TeyshaBlue]

Oh please. If LE "wanted it" in the suburbs do you really think soccer moms would suddenly be slinging meth and having drivebys with their 9's and their minivans?

Incorrect analogy. The framework of Highland Park, and Oak Cliff are apples/oranges.

[vy65]

Oh, I completely agree. But the progress made has been largely the result of "low hanging fruit" if such a metaphor can be made here.

Now another level of hard work begins.

On a certain level, I really don't think you and I have much of a disagreement on this topic. I suppose our divergence is philosophic because I really don't see the point (and sometimes the merit) in trying to "implement equality." And I think that's a pretty different conversation.

[TSA]

the fake outrage in here is digusting. y'all don't give a damn about the murder stats because its blacks killing blacks. when blacks are gunning down white people on the regular then we can have a race discussion lol.
Where is the fake outrage?

[TeyshaBlue]

Only read the first article. I'll get to the second one later.

Two things jump out: 1) I didn't see any suggestion that systematic or systemic racism had been cured. I did see an indication that, what might be called its effects, had been curtailed as seen in test scores. Racism isn't reducible to poor performance in school - hatred/fear/anger/etc... directed towards another race is manifested in poor performance, but isn't reducible to such. 2) the point of the second article really flies in the face of a lot of the victimization and pandering that some posters have displayed in this thread. Particularly the notion of individual dignity, not letting circumstances keep one down, etc... It is very hard to insist on individual agency, on the one hand, and decry the far-reaching, dominating (almost pre-destining) effect of structures on the other.
Having been involved in one of the core studies, not only were the effects of racism countered in the test scores, the modification of the test population through the methodologies used (intense one on one, before and after school involvement, etc) were uniformly positive. Social outcomes, ie, negative interaction with "problem" children evaporated. It wasn't a cure all, but it was a hell of a start. We're humans after all, and we'll screw shit up sometimes just for the fun of it.

[TeyshaBlue]

On a certain level, I really don't think you and I have much of a disagreement on this topic. I suppose our divergence is philosophic because I really don't see the point (and sometimes the merit) in trying to "implement equality." And I think that's a pretty different conversation.

I agree...you can't "implement" equality. You have to cause it.

[TeyshaBlue]

sorry but Obama is not a "black man". He is half black, half white. He was brough up by white grandparents in Hawaii for christsakes

Wake me up when a guy like this guy and who is brought up in the 'hood' becomes president: :lol

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Djimon_Hounsou_push_premiere_(cropped).jpg

Dude looks like a Samuel Jackson starter-kit.

[CosmicCowboy]

the fake outrage in here is digusting. y'all don't give a damn about the murder stats because its blacks killing blacks. when blacks are gunning down white people on the regular then we can have a race discussion lol.

To a certain extent this is true (except for your typical histrionics in calling it "outrage")

I feel about black on black gang crime just like I feel about mexican drug war crime, or hillbilly cracker meth heads whacking each other...I simply don't give a shit.

[Trill Clinton]

sorry but Obama is not a "black man". He is half black, half white. He was brough up by white grandparents in Hawaii for christsakes

Wake me up when a guy like this guy and who is brought up in the 'hood' becomes president: :lol

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Djimon_Hounsou_push_premiere_(cropped).jpg

obama is black!!!!!

[cheguevara]

obama is black!!!!!

that is a half truth

[CosmicCowboy]

the fake outrage in here is digusting. y'all don't give a damn about the murder stats because its blacks killing blacks. when blacks are gunning down white people on the regular then we can have a race discussion lol.

I find it interesting that Trill keeps talking about the day that blacks will come to gun down their white oppressors.

Is he our next mass murderer hiding in plain sight?

Will he use a pump shotgun or an M16 to complete the cliche?

[TeyshaBlue]

This was a great discussion. Thanks CC for gettin me riled up and keeping it reasonable.
I gotta go home now and dominate a pitcher of girly drinks.:toast

[CosmicCowboy]

This was a great discussion. Thanks CC for gettin me riled up and keeping it reasonable.
I gotta go home now and dominate a pitcher of girly drinks.:toast

:toast, dude. Have a good one. I gotta go to a rodeo meeting.

[Trill Clinton]

I find it interesting that Trill keeps talking about the day that blacks will come to gun down their white oppressors.

Is he our next mass murderer hiding in plain sight?

Will he use a pump shotgun or an M16 to complete the cliche?

fool that's not what i'm saying...but i guess we'll find out if i'm the next mass murderer at the next gtg:p:

[Trill Clinton]

bye, unc

[Rogue]

LA and NY are overrated since their populations are so big, so the murdur rates of those two cities ain't really that high imho.

[TSA]

Chicago working hard to keep top honors.


http://www.wbko.com/home/headlines/11-Including-girl-3-Shot-in-Chicago-Park-224521821.html

CHICAGO (AP) -- Chicago police say 12 people, including a 3-year-old, were injured when someone opened fire on people in a park on the city's southwest side.

Chicago Fire Department officials said the child was in critical condition. Two other victims were also in critical condition. The others were reported in serious to fair condition.

Officer Amina Greer said the shooting occurred shortly after 10 p.m. Thursday at a park in the city Back of the Yards neighborhood.

Julian Harris told the Chicago Sun-Times men fired at him from a gray sedan before turning toward Cornell Square Park and firing at people in the area. He said his 3-year-old nephew was wounded in the cheek.

Police spokesman Ron Gaines says victims are being interviewed. No one is in custody.

[AntiChrist]

SMH

GR0snLFfpa8

[boutons_deux]

Chicago working hard to keep top honors.


http://www.wbko.com/home/headlines/11-Including-girl-3-Shot-in-Chicago-Park-224521821.html

CHICAGO (AP) -- Chicago police say 12 people, including a 3-year-old, were injured when someone opened fire on people in a park on the city's southwest side.

Chicago Fire Department officials said the child was in critical condition. Two other victims were also in critical condition. The others were reported in serious to fair condition.

Officer Amina Greer said the shooting occurred shortly after 10 p.m. Thursday at a park in the city Back of the Yards neighborhood.

Julian Harris told the Chicago Sun-Times men fired at him from a gray sedan before turning toward Cornell Square Park and firing at people in the area. He said his 3-year-old nephew was wounded in the cheek.

Police spokesman Ron Gaines says victims are being interviewed. No one is in custody.

... direct result of the soft-on-crime stance, enabling gun crime by gun fellators, NRA, gun industry.

[AntiChrist]

... direct result of the soft on stance, enabling gun crime by gun fellators, NRA, gun industry.

Yeah, I'm sure it was a legal firearm :rolleyes

[boutons_deux]

Yeah, I'm sure it was a legal firearm :rolleyes

with 300M+ guns flooding USA to great enrichment of NRA/gun industry, it's VERY EASY for bad buys to obtain guns.

2nd Amendment? :lol

home/self defense? :lol

[TSA]

home/self defense? :lolWhat exactly is funny?

[boutons_deux]

What exactly is funny?

the lies and propaganda you gun fellators suck down from NRA/gun industry to justify enriching the gun industry.

the other big lie is the NRA jumping on mental illness, rather than 300M+ guns and their gun-obsessed culture, as a target to stop "(mentally ill) people killing people".

Only a small percentage of mentally ill people are violent, and even fewer are murderously violent.

But as with suicidal people, it sure helps the mentally ill become murderous, and it enables SUCCESSFUL suicides, if they have easy access to guns.

[TSA]

the lies and propaganda you gun fellators suck down from NRA/gun industry to justify enriching the gun industry.

the other big lie is the NRA jumping on mental illness, rather than 300M+ guns and their gun-obsessed culture, as a target to stop "(mentally ill) people killing people".

Only a small percentage of mentally ill people are violent, and even fewer are murderously violent.

But as with suicidal people, it sure helps the mentally ill become murderous, and it enables SUCCESSFUL suicides, if they have easy access to guns.


I didn't ask you any of that. I asked what is so funny about home/self defense?

[TSA]

the lies and propaganda you gun fellators suck down from NRA/gun industry to justify enriching the gun industry.



Did it ever occur to you that there are millions of gun owners that are not NRA members?

[Th'Pusher]

I didn't ask you any of that. I asked what is so funny about home/self defense?

Dont kid yourself. You never have and you never will use any of your guns for self defense. They're constitutionally protected toys that help you feel like a man.

[TSA]

Dont kid yourself. You never have and you never will use any of your guns for self defense. They're constitutionally protected toys that help you feel like a man.You are probably correct. But to think they are never used in self defense is foolish. You protect your family with your baseball bat, I'll protect mine with firearms.

[TeyshaBlue]

I own 3 Chihuahuas for self defense.






However, I own a shotgun to protect me from the Chihuahuas.

[Trill Clinton]

sorry, fellas. i meant fake concern, not fake outrage.

[m>s]

fool that's not what i'm saying...but i guess we'll find out if i'm the next mass murderer at the next gtg:p:
You mean the ones that you always puss out of because your terrible takes are too embarrassing to face up to :lol

[boutons_deux]

Did it ever occur to you that there are millions of gun owners that are not NRA members?

they're all gun fellators, averaging 9 guns per fellator, vastly enriching the gun industry.

[m>s]

Dont kid yourself. You never have and you never will use any of your guns for self defense. They're constitutionally protected toys that help you feel like a man.
Only a democuck

[CosmicCowboy]

sorry, fellas. i meant fake concern, not fake outrage.

Quite honestly, It's not even a concern. It was simply a statistical observation...like reading the statistics of pit bull attacks vs. cocker spaniel attacks.

Nothing I do, say, or think will change the numbers.

[Trill Clinton]

You mean the ones that you always puss out of because your terrible takes are too embarrassing to face up to :lol

i've only been formally invited to one gtg but unfortunately i couldn't make it. i'll be at the next one fa sho, though.:king

[TSA]

they're all gun fellators, averaging 9 guns per fellator, vastly enriching the gun industry.I don't see a problem with this as these so called gun fellators are not committing crimes.

[TSA]

What you shooting these days Trill?

[Trill Clinton]

Quite honestly, It's not even a concern. It was simply a statistical observation...like reading the statistics of pit bull attacks vs. cocker spaniel attacks.

Nothing I do, say, or think will change the numbers.

i know it isn't a concern for you or a majority of americans. no one cares about minorities or the poor, which is sad.

[Trill Clinton]

What you shooting these days Trill?

i only have a glock 27 right now. i really want to get an assault rifle or maybe another handgun. i really like sig sauer p229. any reccomendations for rifles?

[CosmicCowboy]

i know it isn't a concern for you or a majority of americans. no one cares about minorities or the poor, which is sad.

*sigh*

Another radical over-simplification by Trill equating "not caring about shithead gang bangers deaths" to not caring about the poor.

[Trill Clinton]

*sigh*

Another radical over-simplification by Trill equating "not caring about shithead gang bangers deaths" to not caring about the poor.


there are good god fearing people who live in those communities who i care about. people who are prisoners of their own neighborhood because of the thugs and the kids who grow up idolizing them and repeat the cycle. you gotta see the big picture here, doggie.

[CosmicCowboy]

i only have a glock 27 right now. i really want to get an assault rifle or maybe another handgun. i really like sig sauer p229. any reccomendations for rifles?

If you want to do it right get an HK MR308.

[TSA]

i only have a glock 27 right now. i really want to get an assault rifle or maybe another handgun. i really like sig sauer p229. any reccomendations for rifles?

I've got a Sig p229 equinox that's been flawless, beautiful looking too.

For AR's I'd highly recommend BCM. Don't go cheap on your first one as you'll regret it and spend more money trying to upgrade it. Buy a decent one to start. Palmetto State Armory has some great deals right now too on mil spec rifles.

[CosmicCowboy]

there are good god fearing people who live in those communities who i care about. people who are prisoners of their own neighborhood because of the thugs and the kids who grow up idolizing them and repeat the cycle. you gotta see the big picture here, doggie.

I definitely feel sorry for them. Especially the old folks who watched their neighborhoods turn to shit around them.

[TSA]

Here's my next one Trill, waiting for the price to come down a bit. First compact 1911 built around the 9mm round.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=24

[CosmicCowboy]

Looking for a concealed carry or larger frame handgun?

[Trill Clinton]

If you want to do it right get an HK MR308.


I've got a Sig p229 equinox that's been flawless, beautiful looking too.

For AR's I'd highly recommend BCM. Don't go cheap on your first one as you'll regret it and spend more money trying to upgrade it. Buy a decent one to start. Palmetto State Armory has some great deals right now too on mil spec rifles.



i'll look these guns up when i get home. the IT department is all over a nigga's browsing history ever since the naval yard shooting, smh. but yea, the sig p229 is niiice.


I definitely feel sorry for them. Especially the old folks who watched their neighborhoods turn to shit around them.

gentrification is a motherfucker

[Trill Clinton]

the glock 27 is my concealed weapon so i need something larger for the range and home protection.

[CosmicCowboy]

Here's my next one Trill, waiting for the price to come down a bit. First compact 1911 built around the 9mm round.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=24

If you like that one you'll love the new Glock 30s.

[CosmicCowboy]

the glock 27 is my concealed weapon so i need something larger for the range and home protection.

My go to is a Para Ordinance P12

[vy65]

i know it isn't a concern for you or a majority of americans. no one cares about minorities or the poor, which is sad.

No it's not. It's human nature. Get over it.

[TSA]

If you like that one you'll love the new Glock 30s.

Don't like Glocks one bit. Not really a big fan of any polymer framed handguns, only own one, a Ruger Sr9c.

[CosmicCowboy]

Don't like Glocks one bit. Not really a big fan of any polymer framed handguns, only own one, a Ruger Sr9c.

Eh, OK. Only reason I said it is it's a 10 shot .45 on a 9mm frame. Lots of punch in a concealed carry.

[TSA]

Eh, OK. Only reason I said it is it's a 10 shot .45 on a 9mm frame. Lots of punch in a concealed carry.

I've got a Springfield Armory subcompact 1911 in .45

In the market for another 9mm.

[CosmicCowboy]

I've got a Springfield Armory subcompact 1911 in .45

In the market for another 9mm.

I enjoy shooting my old P85 but don't really feel the need for another 9.

[jsandiego]

You may view it as another symptom, but perhaps the root issue (at least in contemporary America) is not one of race or poverty. It is the absence of fathers in a household.

A child that grows up without a father is far more likely to be a minority, poor, a criminal, commit suicide, have mental and emotional issues, and even have a higher infant mortality rate.

[Trill Clinton]

No it's not. It's human nature. Get over it.

sorry, but i have a big heart and its full of empathy for the have nots of the world.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao that the common denominator for a civil conversation in here is guns...