Memo Justifying Legal Assassination of US Citizens Without Due Process

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http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf

put out by the Department of Justice.

[Nbadan]

Yeah....in cases where...

US citizens who are 'a senior operational leader of Al-Queda or an associated force' or in cases where capture is 'infeasible' and where the operation can be carried out in a manner consistent with the applicable 'laws of war'...

See, it's fun to cherry-pick...

[angrydude]

Is that what that 16 year old kid was?

Oh, I forgot, he needed to pick a better father.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pOUFHTN1G4

[Nbadan]

Are you SA210? His dad was a well known Al-Queda operative..he happen to be with his dad when he was attacked...next...

[SA210]

Are you SA210? His dad was a well known Al-Queda operative..he happen to be with his dad when he was attacked...next...

He was not with his dad when he was MURDERED by Obama's illegal "nobel peace, humanitarian, ending the wars" drone. The American CHILD was murdered without charge or due process 2 weeks AFTER his American citizen father was murdered without due process.

And no, angrydude is not me, but props to him for being awake :tu

[Spurs da champs]

Are you SA210? His dad was a well known Al-Queda operative..he happen to be with his dad when he was attacked...next...

His son was killed 2 weeks after he was.


But the child was killed in a separate strike some two weeks after his father was killed
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/robert-gibbs-anwar-al-awlaki_n_2012438.html

[ChumpDumper]

Moral of the story: don't hang out with terrorists in Yemen. You might catch a missile.

[Parker2112]

Moral of the story: our country has lost its way.

[ChumpDumper]

Kid was hanging out with terrorists. If he wasn't in league with them he was incredibly stupid.

[Spurs da champs]

Kid was hanging out with terrorists..

How do you know?

[ElNono]

That's pretty old... released last February:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/obama-kill-list-doj-memo

Not that it's any less important, but IIRC, some threads were made back then...

[ChumpDumper]

How do you know?I read more than one source:
SANAA, Yemen (AP) – The United States has raised the tempo in its war against al-Qaeda in Yemen, killing nine of the terror group's militants in the second, high-profile airstrike in as many weeks. The dead in the late Friday night strike included the son of Anwar al-Awlaki, the prominent American-Yemeni militant killed in a Sept. 30 strike.....

....Also dead in the Friday airstrike in the southeastern province of Shabwa was Egyptian-born Ibrahim al-Banna, identified by the nation's Defense Ministry as the media chief of the Yemeni branch of the al-Qaeda.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2011-10-15/yemen-militants-drone-strike/50784330/1

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That's pretty old... released last February:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/obama-kill-list-doj-memo

Not that it's any less important, but IIRC, some threads were made back then...


oops...my bad. i wasn't really around in february and the thread title for that one is misleading.


regardless, it's an interesting topic to revisit with the current crisis in syria.

[Spurs da champs]

I read more than one source:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2011-10-15/yemen-militants-drone-strike/50784330/1


Ibrahim al-Banna, wasn't killed & Abdul Al-alaki wasn't 21 & the time of his death, he was 16. 2 crucial pieces of your source that are wrong & makes that source void.

ChumpDump, you should read this:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/page5/inside_americas_dirty_wars_20130425

Pages 4 & 5, it pokes many holes into the rationale of the strike.

Al Banna wasn't even there & an admin source claims the strike was intentional!

[ChumpDumper]

Ibrahim al-Banna, wasn't killedAccording to whom?

The terrorists? Well he's had plenty of time to post a video mocking the US. Where is that?


& Abdul Al-alaki wasn't 21 & the time of his death, he was 16. 2 crucial pieces of your source that are wrong & makes that source void.

ChumpDump, you should read this:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/page5/inside_americas_dirty_wars_20130425

Pages 4 & 5, it pokes many holes into the rationale of the strike.

Al Banna wasn't even there & an admin source claims the strike was intentional!Getting the age wrong doesn't invalidate the source. They reported what they were initially told.

No al-Banna? Well that kind of makes claims to his living void, doesn't it?

[Spurs da champs]

Yemen's interior Ministry has disclosed on Wednesday that Al-Qaeda has a "terrorist" plan to attack Al-Mukallh of Hadhramout governorate with the aim of declaring it as an Islamic Emirate.
In its website, it said that 300 of Al-Qaeda operatives including three leaders, Ibraheem Al-Bana'a, Egyptian Nationa, Qasim Al-Raimi, and Shaker Hamel were planning to attack strategic government facilities, military and security camps.
http://www.yemenpost.net/Detail123456789.aspx?ID=3&SubID=4872



This is not the first time Banna has been announced dead, while experts believe the regime fabricated his story to receive more International support at a time when opposition forces are calling for change.

Nabil Bukairi, an AQAP experts based in Sana’a said that Ansar Sharia would not lieabout the claims that Banna was alive. “The group has nothing to loose by staying quiet after the announcing of Banna's death but for it to come out with a statement is only proof that they are confident in their claims.”
http://www.yemenpost.net/Detail123456789.aspx?ID=100&SubID=4244&MainCat=3


Getting the age wrong doesn't invalidate the source. They reported what they were initially told.
The initial reports were wrong!


No al-Banna? Well that kind of makes claims to his living void, doesn't it?
No, not at all, in fact I'm a bit baffled how you come to that conclusion?...a different location is possible (due to bad intelligence) or intentionally killing the child & using Al-Banna as a smokescreen is also possible, both pointed out by Jeremy Scahill; in the source I gave you.

[velik_m]

Yeah....in cases where...

US citizens who are 'a senior operational leader of Al-Queda or an associated force' or in cases where capture is 'infeasible' and where the operation can be carried out in a manner consistent with the applicable 'laws of war'...

See, it's fun to cherry-pick...

So who decides this things?

[Nbadan]

Nabil Bukairi, an AQAP experts based in Sana’a said that Ansar Sharia would not lieabout the claims that Banna was alive. “The group has nothing to loose by staying quiet after the announcing of Banna's death but for it to come out with a statement is only proof that they are confident in their claims.”

:lol

[Nbadan]

So who decides this things?

I'm sure there are a group of military and intelligence yuppy-yucks who decide these things..

I laugh when I see SA and other Obama haters blame Obama for making these calls...

[Spurs da champs]

:lol

:lol dumb ass claiming kid was killed with father

[Nbadan]

:lol dumb ass claiming kid was killed with father

Yeah..

You lost the war, but still want to fight the battle...who's the dumb ass?

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.yemenpost.net/Detail123456789.aspx?ID=3&SubID=4872So the terrorists are your source.

You find them trustworthy, do you?


http://www.yemenpost.net/Detail123456789.aspx?ID=100&SubID=4244&MainCat=3Actually, they have every reason to say he's alive. Portraying the killing of the kid as deliberate or useless since the target wasn't there completely plays into terrorist propaganda.


The initial reports were wrong!OK, show me al-Banna.


No, not at all, in fact I'm a bit baffled how you come to that conclusion?...a different location is possible (due to bad intelligence) or intentionally killing the child & using Al-Banna as a smokescreen is also possible, both pointed out by Jeremy Scahill; in the source I gave you.Why would they target the kid?

Explain.

[Jacob1983]

This thread is pointless. No one cares about due process anymore. Well not in Murica anymore. And with Obama in office, people are okay with it because Obama is a cool hip black president that every Murican can relate to.

[diego]

Moral of the story: don't hang out with terrorists in Yemen. You might catch a missile.

agreed. If you are a terrorist, much better to hang out in Saudi Arabia or the US than a worthless country like Yemen that nobody important cares about. Im surprised anyone lives in Yemen, they should all just move, its really easy after all. Same with Sudan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia. And if terrorists arrive with you, well just keep moving, Im sure eventually you'll reach a country that is either free of terrorists (certified by US intelligence, they do have a list right? Either way most terrorists usually put a flag or a uniform so they are easily distinguishable, if you cant tell your neighbors are terrorists you just arent looking, after all the US can easily see where terrorists are from thousands of miles away) or has enough military/economic clout to avoid getting a few dozen precision missiles with 1000 pounds of explosive each delivered to them.

[SA210]

:lol chump the compulsive liar

[DisAsTerBot]

agreed. If you are a terrorist, much better to hang out in Saudi Arabia or the US than a worthless country like Yemen that nobody important cares about. Im surprised anyone lives in Yemen, they should all just move, its really easy after all. Same with Sudan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia. And if terrorists arrive with you, well just keep moving, Im sure eventually you'll reach a country that is either free of terrorists (certified by US intelligence, they do have a list right? Either way most terrorists usually put a flag or a uniform so they are easily distinguishable, if you cant tell your neighbors are terrorists you just arent looking, after all the US can easily see where terrorists are from thousands of miles away) or has enough military/economic clout to avoid getting a few dozen precision missiles with 1000 pounds of explosive each delivered to them.

:tu

[ChumpDumper]

:lol chump the compulsive liarWith what matter of fact do you have an issue?

Speak up, coward.

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Yeah....in cases where...

US citizens who are 'a senior operational leader of Al-Queda or an associated force' or in cases where capture is 'infeasible' and where the operation can be carried out in a manner consistent with the applicable 'laws of war'...

See, it's fun to cherry-pick...


i think the bolded part in your quote is the most concerning part

[SA210]

With what matter of fact do you have an issue?

Speak up, coward.

Lying and calling others a coward doesnt hide the fact that you're a lying coward, coward. :lol

But nice attempt. lol

[SA210]

So the terrorists are your source.

You find them trustworthy, do you?



Hey, well you and Obama support the terrorists, so make up your mind, treasonous coward. He funds them and arms them in Syria. You hate that I was right about that a long time ago, when you were lying and wrong about it.

Make up your mind, coward. You are with the terrorists or against them? Does America arming Al Qaeda warrant drones being dropped on treasonous politicians that you support? Go ahead, tell another lie, coward.

:lol

[Nbadan]

i think the bolded part in your quote is the most concerning part

How so?

[Spurs da champs]

So the terrorists are your source.
Apparently, the Interior Ministry of Yemen found it credible enough to be a threat as did a regional Al-Qaeda expert.

You find them trustworthy, do you?

"This is not the first time Banna has been announced dead, while experts believe the regime fabricated his story to receive more International support at a time when opposition forces are calling for change."




Actually, they have every reason to say he's alive. Portraying the killing of the kid as deliberate or useless since the target wasn't there completely plays into terrorist propaganda.
As did the Yemeni govt, read the above quote.


OK, show me al-Banna.
If you're so confident of his death show me his death certificate, asking me to prove a negative is a cowardly method of debate, tho I've given far more evidence than you.


Why would they target the kid?
Faulty intelligence, or assumptions, you know the same assumptions lead to Trayvon Martin's death (minus the public outrage).

[ChumpDumper]

Apparently, the Interior Ministry of Yemen found it credible enough to be a threat as did a regional Al-Qaeda expert.


"This is not the first time Banna has been announced dead, while experts believe the regime fabricated his story to receive more International support at a time when opposition forces are calling for change."



As did the Yemeni govt, read the above quote.

If you're so confident of his death show me his death certificate, asking me to prove a negative is a cowardly method of debate, tho I've given far more evidence than you.

Faulty intelligence, or assumptions, you know the same assumptions lead to Trayvon Martin's death (minus the public outrage).you made the positive claim that he is alive.

Well, show me. One would think he would be making video after video mocking the US. You know, because he is so not dead.

[ChumpDumper]

Lying and calling others a coward doesnt hide the fact that you're a lying coward, coward. :lol

But nice attempt. lol
Pretty vague and cowardly of you. Be specific.

[Spurs da champs]

you made the positive claim that he is alive.


I should've known you were to cowardly to comply, coward.

You've done nothing to counter my points & just jump to the prove a negative tactic, why?

[ChumpDumper]

I should've known you were to cowardly to comply, coward.

You've done nothing to counter my points & just jump to the prove a negative tactic, why?you made a positive claim: he's alive.

Well, that would be easy enough to prove if he did what any terraist who dodged a drone attack and was announced dead.

All we have are competing official reports. Scratch that. Your source is the terrorists.

[ChumpDumper]

I would even concede that banna is alive. If he is it doesn't change much. There is a huge risk one takes when one looks for a terrorist in a war zone the way he did. If the kid didn't know that he was brought up wrong.

By a terrorist..

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How so?


semantics

[SA210]

:lol chump, the lying treasonous coward, cowardly ignores this like the coward he has always been and always will be:lol

:lol terrorist supporter




Hey, well you and Obama support the terrorists, so make up your mind, treasonous coward. He funds them and arms them in Syria. You hate that I was right about that a long time ago, when you were lying and wrong about it.

Make up your mind, coward. You are with the terrorists or against them? Does America arming Al Qaeda warrant drones being dropped on treasonous politicians that you support? Go ahead, tell another lie, coward.

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

So you admit you were lying when you said I lied.

Thanks.

[boutons_deux]

UK detention of Reprieve activist consistent with NSA's view of drone opponents as 'threats' and 'adversaries'

Viewing anti-drone activism as indicative of a terrorism threat is noxious. As Reprieve's Cory Crider put it yesterday, "if there were any doubt the UK was abusing its counter-terrorism powers to silence critics, this ends it."

But perceiving drone opponents as "threats" or even "adversaries" is hardly new. Top secret US government documents obtained by the Guardian from NSA (http://www.theguardian.com/world/nsa) whistleblower Edward Snowden characterize even the most basic political and legal opposition to drone attacks as part of "propaganda campaigns" from America's "adversaries".

The entry is part of a top secret internal US government website, similar in appearance to the online Wikipedia site. According to a June interview with Snowden in Hong Kong, the only individuals empowered to write these entries are those "with top secret clearance and public key infrastructure certificates", special access cards enabling unique access to certain parts of NSA systems. He added that the entries are "peer reviewed" and that every edit made is recorded by user.

One specific entry discusses "threats to unmanned aerial vehicles". It lists various dangers to American drones (http://www.theguardian.com/world/drones), including "air defense threats", "jamming of UAV sensor systems", "terrestrial weather", and "electronic warfare employed against the command and control system".

But alongside those more obvious, conventional threats are what the entry describes as "propaganda campaigns that target UAV use".

Under the title "adversary propaganda themes", the document lists what it calls "examples of potential propaganda themes that could be employed against UAV operations".

One such example is entitled "Nationality of Target vs. Due Process". It states:

Attacks against American and European persons who have become violent extremists are often criticized by propagandists, arguing that lethal action against these individuals deprives them of due process."


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/25/nsa-uk-drone-opponents-threats

so You People are now officially self-nominated as adversaries of America! :lol

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so You People are now officially self-nominated as adversaries of America! :lol





as i said prior, semantics are a thing to behold in law.

stare decisis


once you establish a precedent, you can extend legal boundaries a bit further by slightly tweaking definitions.