Maggette or Young, which is the better fit?

[xmas1997]

Since they are both signed to come to camp, which one in your opinion is the better player or the better fit for the Spurs.
Or do you see a dark horse out there that outdoes both?

(And please respect the topic, this is not a bash Manu or bash Pop thread. For those who want to do that, you have plenty you have already corrupted with your trash to do that in!)

[ace3g]

Let the best man win:

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[xmas1997]

I am just glad we finally have something worth discussing, so we can rid ourselves of all the bashing threads.
And ST can get back to what it is famous for, solid intelligent information and great debates!

[rick1991]

I would rather have Maggette, he should still have a lot in the tank and he is overall better than Young. I just worry Young will be too much of a liability of offense like he was for Indiana in the playoffs. I know he plays good defense, but if he can't shoot worth a damn then he will hurt us. I think Maggette would be a good addition.

[xmas1997]

Actually they might end up with 3 SFs now, if they send one of their guards like Mills to a certain team who just hired away one of our assistant coaches. We all know of who I am referring to.

Does anyone know their heights, who is the taller with the longest wingspan of the two?

[look_at_g_shred]

Wish Spurs have something up their sleeves to acquire both...

[td4mvp2k]

Like I said in in the young signing thread... Itz a win win!

[spurs10]

Actually they might end up with 3 SFs now, if they send one of their guards like Mills to a certain team who just hired away one of our assistant coaches. We all know of who I am referring to.

Does anyone know their heights, who is the taller with the longest wingspan of the two?Height is similar, age is the biggest obvious difference. With age, comes experience, so it's hard to guess how Pop and RC will see it. Young could be a project for the future, with Corey more of an immediate impact. I am having a hard time seeing Nando's spot on the team now. He might be better off going somewhere he can get some minutes which won't be the Spurs. Is 3 pg's, 3 sg's, 3 sf's, and 6 bigs actually a possibility!!?? :wow

[Bruno]

The key factor is what has Maggette left in the tank?

My guess would very little which is the reason why I would go with Young over Maggette.

[TheGreatYacht]

Since they are both signed to come to camp, which one in your opinion is the better player or the better fit for the Spurs.
Or do you see a dark horse out there that outdoes both?

(And please respect the topic, this is not a bash Manu or bash Pop thread. For those who want to do that, you have plenty you have already corrupted with your trash to do that in!) :lol I have an excellent idea. How about we get rid of Manu and just sign both Sam Young and Corey Maggette? I'm sure none of them would turn the ball over 8 times in an NBA Finals like Manu did. Seriously, we already have Marco Belinelli who can take some of Manu's minutes away as the backup SG.

[ace3g]

The key factor is what has Maggette left in the tank?

My guess would very little which is the reason why I would go with Young over Maggette.

Yeah I would go with Young right now.

For one he is young and Maggette has been injury prone (calf most of last year) past couple of years.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Hahaha, you can't come up with this shit by yourself. Yeah, because Sam Young and Corey Maggette are championship calibre players, who helped their teams to win multiple titles. I bet you're butthurt because Manu banged you so much the last time both met and he hasn't called you yet

Don't feed the troll.

[Kidd K]

Pretty tough decision. Honestly I wouldn't mind if we had both guys. If you go down a list of the current roster, there really are only 11 guys who I would personally say are good fits in the rotation.

We do not need 3 PGs, especially when 2 of the 3 would be below average even in terms of "backup quality". Manu can run the point for a little still. Parker will get 32ish minutes a game, our backup PG maybe 8-12, Manu the other 4-8.

Since Manu only plays 24 minutes a game now anyway (maybe even less this season), that's only 18 minutes or so coming off the total time at SG and SF. So there's a big 78 minutes to fill at those spots. 25 for Kawhi (5-8 for him at PF), 20-25 for Green, then about 33 to spread between Belinelli, Young, and Magette. I'd assume it would be more of a comittee situation in term of who gets to play the most for which game. Whoever's hot, whether we need a defender to stop Durant or a scorer to get us back in the game while hiding on a bad player.

Plus having both adds insurance in the likely scenerio that Manu goes down with another injury.

Though all that said, I would guess Magette would be the odd man out before anything else. I'm not sure what kind of shape he's in since he's been on a downslide lately. It reminds me a lot of Stephen Jackson tbh. Good, then suddenly huge dropoff that he didn't come back from. A player's quality of game always seems to go fastest from athletic guards. The dropoff is usually pretty sharp when it happens.

[venitian navigator]

I like both.
I see Meggette more like a small ball 4, where could still be valuable.
Young as a third string sf is more than ok.
Imho both have a real chance to make the final roster.
Mills, now, looks like is in a possible position to be traded...

[xmas1997]

I like both.
I see Meggette more like a small ball 4, where could still be valuable.
Young as a third string sf is more than ok.
Imho both have a real chance to make the final roster.
Mills, now, looks like is in a possible position to be traded...

This is my feeling also. Keep both.
Plus Mills might be better off and log some playing time as a 76er now that Brett Brown is the new head coach.
We may be hearing soon of his trade for a 2nd rounder or just cash.
We shall see. It sounds like something the FO would do for Brown and Mills.

[Southwest Texas Fan]

Isn't Maggette a china doll?

[loveforthegame]

I know it's a backup need but it will be nice to have some competition. It would be nice to have both but I doubt the Spurs trade someone just to keep both.

Young would be my choice but may the best man win it in training camp.

[-21-]

Don't know what Maggette has left so I'll go with Young. Just happy knowing the FO is looking for a backup 3.

[benefactor]

The key factor is what has Maggette left in the tank?

My guess would very little which is the reason why I would go with Young over Maggette.
Agreed. He is likely done.

[swaggerjackson]

I'm going with Maggette. He was glued to the bench in Detroit, but that was purely because the Pistons were trying to develop players who were in the "future plans of the franchise". The previous season in Charlotte he averaged 15pts, 4 rebs, and 6 free throws a game in under 30 minutes. He is a highly efficient player on offense who respects what he can and can not do. That is exactly the attitude you want from a backup. And he is getting up there, but 34 is not ancient especially when you consider that he keeps himself in phenomenal shape and has never suffered a major injury. And he is not a standout defender, but he is not a liability either. I think his ability to slash and draw fouls can earn the Spurs a couple extra easy points each game.

And I certainly like Sam Young, but he is too much of a liability on offense. The Spurs rely on spacing and cohesion tremendously on offense. I am not sure Young is suited for the Spurs style of play. He is simply not going to be able to hide on offense as well as he could on another roster. Unless he develops a decent shot I don't see how you can expect him to maintain a place in the rotation.

Also just a quick question. People keep bringing up trading Mills to Philly. I understand the idea the reuniting Mills and Brett Brown would theoretically make both of them happier. But is this just Spurstalk speculation or does anyone have sources that this has been discussed?

[td4mvp2k]

I'm going with Maggette. He was glued to the bench in Detroit, but that was purely because the Pistons were trying to develop players who were in the "future plans of the franchise". The previous season in Charlotte he averaged 15pts, 4 rebs, and 6 free throws a game in under 30 minutes. He is a highly efficient player on offense who respects what he can and can not do. That is exactly the attitude you want from a backup. And he is getting up there, but 34 is not ancient especially when you consider that he keeps himself in phenomenal shape and has never suffered a major injury. And he is not a standout defender, but he is not a liability either. I think his ability to slash and draw fouls can earn the Spurs a couple extra easy points each game.+1

[ginobilized]

It looks to be a competitive training camp....psyched to see the outcome!

[Axegrinder]

Hollis Thompson

[xmas1997]

Hahaha, you can't come up with this shit by yourself. Yeah, because Sam Young and Corey Maggette are championship calibre players, who helped their teams to win multiple titles. I bet you're butthurt because Manu banged you so much the last time both met and he hasn't called you yet

:clap:clap

[sexinthatsx]

I can't believe no one mentioned one key aspect yet, but Corey Maggette is my opinion and it couldn't be more obvious. Sam Young will just turn out like a defender and 3 point shooter that will have a ceiling of Danny Green at most. Corey Maggette on the other hand CAN SHOOT FREE THROWS AND GET TO THE FREE THROW LINE AT WILL, tailoring the tempo of the game to the Spurs needs. Additionally, at 34 Corey Maggette is an offensive threat you just can't ignore.

[Leetonidas]

It's a toss up. Young has more upside and defensive potential, Maggette can get to the line which we need on the second unit

[Kool Bob Love]

:lol I have an excellent idea. How about we get rid of Manu and just sign both Sam Young and Corey Maggette? I'm sure none of them would turn the ball over 8 times in an NBA Finals like Manu did. Seriously, we already have Marco Belinelli who can take some of Manu's minutes away as the backup SG.

:lol I'll do you one better. How about we trade Parker and re-sign Speedy Claxton? You know because he can close out a game 6 unlike Mr. 6-23.

[monkeypunk]

Trade Mills or DeColo and keep both Mags and Sam. Then use either one depending on the situation. They both bring aspects that we can use and Manu and Beli can double team the backup point if CJ is off. On that note, I'm preemptively drooling in anticipation of the passing we'll see this year between TD, Manu, Beli, Tony, Diaw and Splitter. Hell, even Baynesy can pass. It's gonna be a glorious season...

[T Park]

The key factor is what has Maggette left in the tank?

My guess would very little which is the reason why I would go with Young over Maggette.

This, plus even in Magette's prime he wasnt a good defender. Young is a very good defender whos game is easily fixable with time in the gym with a certain shooting coach.

[ace3g]

This, plus even in Magette's prime he wasnt a good defender. Young is a very good defender whos game is easily fixable with time in the gym with a certain shooting coach.

Yeah he can play in the post, has that pump fake, just needs some minor adjustments on his jumper which would give him tons of confidence.

[Bruno]

Young hasn't always been an inept offensive player like he was with Indiana. As a rookie, he scored 16.2 points per 36 minutes and 13.1 points per 36 minutes as a sophomore. For reference, Kawhi scored 13.7 points per 36 minutes with Spurs last season. What has derailed Young career has been Memphis getting Pondexter. He lost his spot in the rotation with Memphis and hasn't been able to find his place in another team since that. Maybe Spurs could be the team that put him back on the right track, maybe not...

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I'm leaning towards Maggette.

[heyheymymy]

I want both in a Spurs jersey. send off De Colo and Mills and you have a balanced roster with the open spot wiggle room you want going forward in case a good deal comes along near the deadline.

[T Park]

Yeah he can play in the post, has that pump fake, just needs some minor adjustments on his jumper which would give him tons of confidence.

yeah and hell get minutes early on while guys rest. plenty of time to learn the system, learn assignments, and improve the jumper. jumper should be improved by April.

[T Park]

Young hasn't always been an inept offensive player like he was with Indiana. As a rookie, he scored 16.2 points per 36 minutes and 13.1 points per 36 minutes as a sophomore. For reference, Kawhi scored 13.7 points per 36 minutes with Spurs last season. What has derailed Young career has been Memphis getting Pondexter. He lost his spot in the rotation with Memphis and hasn't been able to find his place in another team since that. Maybe Spurs could be the team that put him back on the right track, maybe not...

yeah no fault of his own, pondexter is the far better player.

[T Park]

I want both in a Spurs jersey. send off De Colo and Mills and you have a balanced roster with the open spot wiggle room you want going forward in case a good deal comes along near the deadline.

Awesome, now just convince the team who loves Mills, and other teams who have no reason to want them.

[AFBlue]

Maggette is a black hole on offense, though he's a pretty effective player. Given the playmaking depth of this team, I would give Young the edge...prefer the defense-first focus.

[Proxy]

Give Young to Chip... the LAC/GS Maggette seems ages ago.

[benefactor]

For the record, the Spurs don't need offense on the second unit. Beli, Manu and Splitter/Diaw will take care of most of the offensive responsibilities. Young will be there to play defense and spot up for a corner three or cut to the basket to get a pass from Splitter or Diaw and finish. No reason he can hold that type of role down effectively for 10-15 MPG.

[BatManu20]

Hard to believe tbh

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[BatManu20]

Also, we can't forget this

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[ace3g]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xN_ljDfevB0

[benefactor]

If both look decent in camp, getting both of them on the team and finding a team to take De Colo for a pick seems like the best option to me.

[Raven]

signing maggette just doesn't make any sense, he doesn't defend, can't stay on the court and has a very non spurs type of offensive game. it is true that you can count on him knocking his ft in the clutch, but that's really about it. He's long since being gone as an nba player.

[xmas1997]

So far it looks like most on here prefer Young. He is younger and the better defender.

[rick1991]

Hard to believe tbh

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He still has game

[ace3g]

Lang Greene ‏@LangGreene (https://twitter.com/LangGreene) 4m (https://twitter.com/LangGreene/status/383409655034019840) I've talked to plenty of young players around the league who have played w/ Corey Maggette and they all say the same. Excellent mentor.

Lang Greene ‏@LangGreene (https://twitter.com/LangGreene) 2h (https://twitter.com/LangGreene/status/383410084916649984) Eventually Kawhi Leonard will be entrusted by San Antonio to become more of a primary scorer. Having a scorer like Maggette around will help

[Spursfanfromafar]

Young.

One reason is obvious - he is young(er).

Two, Maggette had one redeemable skill - drawing fouls while driving to the bucket. Apparently he couldn't do much of that even.. in Detroit last year. He has consistently been bad with bad teams. Maybe, the Spurs are a motivation to perform better, who knows. But as things stand, Young promises much more.

[slick'81]

Let em both fight it out let the best man win

[Sean Cagney]

Let em both fight it out let the best man win

Thats about it.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Hard to believe tbh

383382119717683200

15 points at .370% shooting. Just what Pop needs :lol and all that for 1/3rd of the season. Corey's done.

[Darkwaters]

Young is really concerning because of how inept his offense has been for a while. In this system will that change? Maybe. But he has to prove it in camp and pre-season. In a playoff series, if he doesn't prove that he can drill a shot when called upon, defenses will cheat off of him all day long. The end result will be destroyed spacing and offensive flow. It'll also mean his benching.

Maggette isn't ideal either though. Hes obviously the much more advanced offensive player, but not a exactly a shooter. Hes a scorer that can get to the line. While that's valuable, it also is slightly problematic for the offense that he can't shoot. And his defense is obviously nowhere on the level of Young's (although, I don't believe Maggette's defense is nearly as atrocious as Young's offensive numbers make him appear to be).

Our best hope is that Young comes in and proves that, when left wide open, he can shoot. Hes then our obvious choice. But Mags doesn't need to be discarded out of hand. If they both look good in preseason then find a way to dump De Colo and keep both Young and Maggette. De Colo is the clear weak-link on the team at present, and if we have two viable SF backups then let them take the competition into the regular season and see who truly fits the best.

[Austin_Toros]

Maggette. Because of his huge biceps.

[Ice009]

Also just a quick question. People keep bringing up trading Mills to Philly. I understand the idea the reuniting Mills and Brett Brown would theoretically make both of them happier. But is this just Spurstalk speculation or does anyone have sources that this has been discussed?

I'm not sure if the Spurs would trade Mills, but that is only because another poster said that Tim and Tony asked the front office to keep Mills around longer than this season. Not sure if that is true, but if both of those guys want Mills on the team, then I am not sure if the Spurs would trade him.

[Ice009]

yeah no fault of his own, pondexter is the far better player.

Why did the Thunder let Pondexter go? I thought he was very good against the Spurs in the playoffs last season.

[spurs10]

If both look decent in camp, getting both of them on the team and finding a team to take De Colo for a pick seems like the best option to me. That's what I'm thinking as well.

[NickiRasgo]

Why did the Thunder let Pondexter go? I thought he was very good against the Spurs in the playoffs last season.

Pondexter never played for the Thunder though he was drafted by the Thunder and played in NO in his rookie season. But yeah he played good with the Grizzlies against us. He still with the Grizzlies too.

[xmas1997]

I'm going with Maggette. He was glued to the bench in Detroit, but that was purely because the Pistons were trying to develop players who were in the "future plans of the franchise". The previous season in Charlotte he averaged 15pts, 4 rebs, and 6 free throws a game in under 30 minutes. He is a highly efficient player on offense who respects what he can and can not do. That is exactly the attitude you want from a backup. And he is getting up there, but 34 is not ancient especially when you consider that he keeps himself in phenomenal shape and has never suffered a major injury. And he is not a standout defender, but he is not a liability either. I think his ability to slash and draw fouls can earn the Spurs a couple extra easy points each game.

And I certainly like Sam Young, but he is too much of a liability on offense. The Spurs rely on spacing and cohesion tremendously on offense. I am not sure Young is suited for the Spurs style of play. He is simply not going to be able to hide on offense as well as he could on another roster. Unless he develops a decent shot I don't see how you can expect him to maintain a place in the rotation.

Also just a quick question. People keep bringing up trading Mills to Philly. I understand the idea the reuniting Mills and Brett Brown would theoretically make both of them happier. But is this just Spurstalk speculation or does anyone have sources that this has been discussed?

Yes. The Mills thing is conjecture only, postulated here because of the Australian connection with ex Spur Coach Brown of the 76ers.
It isn't even a rumor. However, it could be better classified as an educated guess or opinion and nothing more.

[look_at_g_shred]

Damn! I want training camp to start already!! lol Does anyone know if updates are revealed throughout the camp or is it all hush-hush till its over? Thanks.

[Andthentherewas21]

If it comes down to an either/or situation I think the Spurs have to go with Young unless he has an exceptionally poor training camp and Maggette shows he has still has something left, particularly on the defensive end. In the NBA its a lot harder to improve your D than it is to improve your O; Young still has a chance to fix some of his mechanics on the offensive end whereas Maggette D has been decent at best and is likely starting to decline (hard to tell given the lack of motivation and playing time the last few seasons). Obviously Young has been somewhat of an offensive liability the past few seasons, but given how offensively anemic the teams he has been on have been in the past (Pacers this season, Grizzlies a couple seasons before), I don't think it can all be put on him. In a more structured system he could probably find a more suitable role.

I wouldn't be against having both, however I can't see the Spurs being able to open up a spot without waiving someone like Baynes. The 76ers are in a complete rebuild and having Mills doesn't do much for them, especially now that they have two PG projects in Wroten and Carter-Williams. I can't see anyone giving up even a 2nd rounder for De Colo unless he is salary-filler in a 3 team trade. Joseph is probably the only one that could fetch something on the market, but then the Spurs would be trading their best looking backup PG prospect.

[look_at_g_shred]

What gets me about Maggette, is he looks like he's in excellent shape. That's always a plus when Training camp comes around. I think a player's confidence and motivation raise when they come to the Spurs with the exception of RJ :lol I think both will give it their all no doubt about it. Anxious to see what happens.

[xmas1997]

I wouldn't be heart broken if we kept both and ended up getting rid of one of our PGs, would you?

[look_at_g_shred]

I wouldn't be heart broken if we kept both and ended up getting rid of one of our PGs, would you?

Nope. Especially if we can get a pick out of it.

[Brazil]

imho you go with the best defender of the two. we don't need attack from these guys, we need a guy capable to take care of the ball, to catch and shoot and play good defense. I'd go by this logic with Young

[mountainballer]

just a question:
do we know for sure that Young's contract isn't guaranteed? (we heard that Maggette's isn't, but Young?)
I would assume that he get's at least a partly guarrantee.
(he has always been a min player, made about 3 million till this day, at 28 you follow the money, if you didn't yet get enough. Maggette in comparison has a career salary of 90 million)

why I ask: it might not be either or. it could be just Young, he is the back up for Kawhi.

and then comes Corey and the Spurs do him a favour to test him. he has made his share, he likely wants to play for a winning team at the end of his career. (he made the PO just once in his whole 14 seasons)
depht doesn't hurt. other than Young Corey can (should) play the 2, his ball handling is decent, his passing is ok.
so the question might be: does Corey outplay one of the guards. (Nando, Mills). if he is good during the camp, Spurs might find a solution. (trade, buy out, release). especially Nando shouldn't have a problem to still get a contract in Europe, he did build a reputation as a quality player there. (and he is a Euro champion!)

[xmas1997]

Let's see if I can recap so far.
Maggette is older, more mileage on his body, much better offense, and average to poor defense.
Young is younger, less mileage, much tougher defensively, and terrible offensively.
Now that I think about it after reading the pros and cons so far, IMHO the Spurs should not pick either one! :lol
Yeah, really!
Rather, my hope is they bring in another much younger SF who is decent from 3 point range and really good, lock down good, defensively, and a player who is dying to be in the league with an ethic of working hard.
Who, you might ask, might fill this roll?
My choice would be Nunnally, the self proclaimed new coming of Bruce Bowen, his idol.
Don't laugh (I already did).
But seriously, IMHO he would be the best cheapest most hard working option I see still out there.
I hope he comes to Spurs camp.
We shall see.

[Josepatches_]

Maggette used to be one of my favourite players so I'd like to watch him in the Spurs uniform but to play backup SF I'd pick a better shooter than both of them.

Maggette should be a better scorer from the bench so i'll give him the nod.

[FutureMan]

Both would be amazing! If it was up to me I'd trade off Bonner and De Colo to the bucks for Ridnour, Mills to Portland or the 76ers.
PG: Parker, Ridnour, Joseph
SG: Green, Belinelli, Ginobili
SF: Leonard, Young, Maggette
PF: Duncan, Ayers
C: Splitter, Diaw, Baynes

[xmas1997]

Maggette used to be one of my favourite players so I'd like to watch him in the Spurs uniform but to play backup SF I'd pick a better shooter than both of them.

Maggette should be a better scorer from the bench so i'll give him the nod.

I used to like Maggette too, but the problem now is he is older and a definite liability on defense, thus the defense will suffer with him in there.
Whereas, Young is only a few years younger, but a pretty good hard nosed defensive player. Yet the defense will sag off him when he is in there because his offense is atrocious, thus putting more pressure on the Spurs offense and allowing double teams.
Damned if you do, and damned if you don't, that is what I see from both players.

[look_at_g_shred]

I used to like Maggette too, but the problem now is he is older and a definite liability on defense, thus the defense will suffer with him in there.
Whereas, Young is only a few years younger, but a pretty good hard nosed defensive player. Yet the defense will sag off him when he is in there because his offense is atrocious, thus putting more pressure on the Spurs offense and allowing double teams.
Damned if you do, and damned if you don't, that is what I see from both players.If we do stick with young, lets just hope he can knock down that 15-18 footer effectively a la McDyess

[xmas1997]

My hope is the Spurs offer Nunnally a camp invite and that he accepts it. He is a 6'6" SF/G, a sharp shooter, and a hard nosed lock down defender. So far only Memphis has given him a camp invite.

[Leetonidas]

Maggette strikes me as the type that has played under his potential because of being on shit teams with no motivation thus he was always forced to be an offensive focus and his teams were usually garbage so he was a black hole on offense. I think he is still in decent shape and playing for a legit shot at a title might renew his focus and spark his energy, I don't remember him having any big injury concerns like McGrady

[Chinook]

This is interesting. On a healthy team the backup small-forward doesn't stand to get many minutes. But what happens when Leonard is out? Either Pop starts Belinelli and moves Green over (similar to what happened with Neal last season) or he promotes the third-string directly into the starting lineup and keeps his rotation intact (which he usually does). If the former happens, then Young is a better choice, since he's the better defender and the team could better handle large small-forwards with him rather than relying on Ginobili or Belinelli to spell Green. If it's the latter, then it might be important to have an offensive player next to Green, since both Danny and Splitter are currently lesser cogs in the starting offense. So Maggette would seem to make sense.

Boiled down, Young's probably the better player for a fringe-rotation spot, but Maggette is probably better as a spot-starter. Whatever role Pop wants his 15th man to play is probably decide who gets the last spot.

[Big P]

I don't think all the FO is looking at is playing ability in Young or Maggette...I think that they are also looking for a mentor for KL and IMO Maggette would have the edge in that department....something tells me Maggette is gonna wear the black and silver.

[dbestpro]

Young will be caught up playing tenative trying to fit in, and will blow his chance. Maggette knows how to play the game and in particular the refs. That is a skill set of the mind and not the body. His play and his knowledge can make a much greater impact on and off the floor.

[xmas1997]

Maggette has Tonys' influence, while Young has Boylens'.
Of course, this is just conjecture on my part.

[xmas1997]

You've got to figure at 34 Maggette is very close to retiring now. He even talks about it in the interview.
I doubt he will be attacking the basket like he used to do and I think that is what most of us expect from him.
He claims he is in the mentoring phase of his game now.

[SpurCharger]

Neither.... Both of them are one dimensional Players

[exstatic]

We do need Maggette to defend. We don't need Young to do anything other defend and hit the occasional jumper. Young's the better fit.

[xmas1997]

We do need Maggette to defend. We don't need Young to do anything other defend and hit the occasional jumper. Young's the better fit.

Allow me to play devils advocate for a moment.
Hypothetically speaking, suppose Maggette can't play defense.
And also suppose Young can't hit the occasional jumper.
Then what?

[ace3g]

Allow me to play devils advocate for a moment.
Hypothetically speaking, suppose Maggette can't play defense.
And also suppose Young can't hit the occasional jumper.
Then what?

Something also to watch for during preseason games when the competition really heats up is which player is doing better on the boards.

[xmas1997]

Something also to watch for during preseason games when the competition really heats up is which player is doing better on the boards.

I didn't think about that. This will be an interesting training camp, and all for the 15th roster spot!
Who would have thought that spot would be so significant? :lol

I still hope Nunnally is invited. If he is, I predict he'll be the dark horse.

[ace3g]

I didn't think about that. This will be an interesting training camp, and all for the 15th roster spot!
Who would have thought that spot would be so significant? :lol

I still hope Nunnally is invited. If he is, I predict he'll be the dark horse.

Again someone else mentioned, yes the player added would bring the roster up to 15, but doesn't mean said player would be an end of the bench player (especially when it is for a the back up SF spot).

[Bruno]

The ability to play PF will also be an important part of the equation. Spurs have little mobility at PF/C so I expect them to play their fair share of small ball. Aside of a Kawhi injury, it will be in these situations that Maggette/Young will be the most useful.

Maggette would have an edge in that area since he played a small ball PF when he was with Warriors few years ago. If Maggette still has something left in the tank, which I sadly don't believe, he would really be able to help a lot Spurs.

[xmas1997]

The ability to play PF will also be an important part of the equation. Spurs have little mobility at PF/C so I expect them to play their fair share of small ball. Aside of a Kawhi injury, it will be in these situations that Maggette/Young will be the most useful.

Maggette would have an edge in that area since he played a small ball PF when he was with Warriors few years ago. If Maggette still has something left in the tank, which I sadly don't believe, he would really be able to help a lot Spurs.


This plausible too. I, too, have very little confidence that Maggette has anything left to offer other than mentoring, and that area is pretty much covered by other Spurs.
However, I have very little confidence in Young too, especially with regard to playing small ball PF.

[exstatic]

Allow me to play devils advocate for a moment.
Hypothetically speaking, suppose Maggette can't play defense.
And also suppose Young can't hit the occasional jumper.
Then what?

Multiple choice with only one roster spot left

a
b
Neither a or b

[lefty]

I would say a Young Maggette

[xmas1997]

I would say a Young Maggette


:lol

[SpursDynasty21]

I wonder which player has the best chance of making the roster.

[ace3g]

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/LeBron+James+Miami+Heat+v+Milwaukee+Bucks+QWmojPOS rU1x.jpg

[look_at_g_shred]

http://youtu.be/alUOiRSDTyQ

Athletic much?

[TD 21]

This is interesting. On a healthy team the backup small-forward doesn't stand to get many minutes. But what happens when Leonard is out? Either Pop starts Belinelli and moves Green over (similar to what happened with Neal last season) or he promotes the third-string directly into the starting lineup and keeps his rotation intact (which he usually does). If the former happens, then Young is a better choice, since he's the better defender and the team could better handle large small-forwards with him rather than relying on Ginobili or Belinelli to spell Green. If it's the latter, then it might be important to have an offensive player next to Green, since both Danny and Splitter are currently lesser cogs in the starting offense. So Maggette would seem to make sense.

Boiled down, Young's probably the better player for a fringe-rotation spot, but Maggette is probably better as a spot-starter. Whatever role Pop wants his 15th man to play is probably decide who gets the last spot.

It would require Leonard AND Green being injured for Young or Maggette to spot start. If just one of Leonard or Green is, Belinelli will start. This is not about the unlikely scenario of both being injured, nor about finding another small ball PF (like it or not, Diaw is the other small ball PF), because if that were the case, they could have signed J. Johnson, McGuire, etc.

This is about finding another defender capable of doing a respectable job on James/Durant, while not destroying their spacing in the process. Young will do the latter, but maybe they think Engelland can help fix that somewhat (they don't need much; they got away with Jackson, as a rotation player, shooting 27-28% from 3). Plus, I think they like the fact that he's not a credible enough name to where it would be awkward or he'd pout if he's regularly inactive, which he more than likely will be.

[TheGreatYacht]

On a serious note, why can't we just get rid of Nando de Colo and keep Maggette and Young? Nando looked like a fucking scrub (reminded me a lot of Manu in Game 6) during the summer league. I didn't get to watch Nando on the French NT though.

[McGusto55]

Hahaha, you can't come up with this shit by yourself. Yeah, because Sam Young and Corey Maggette are championship calibre players, who helped their teams to win multiple titles. I bet you're butthurt because Manu banged you so much the last time both met and he hasn't called you yet LMFAO...

[admiralsnackbar]

On a serious note, why can't we just get rid of Nando de Colo and keep Maggette and Young? Nando looked like a fucking scrub (reminded me a lot of Manu in Game 6) during the summer league. I didn't get to watch Nando on the French NT though.

You're almost certain to get your wish, but it's at least a little humorous that you are excited by the prospect of hiring a has-been name-brand offensive 3 (CM) and an offensively challenged defensive 3 (SY) while you redundantly rail against a far more productive player like Manu, whose price/production ratio remains retardedly high. He's not ever going to be Supermanu again, but he's already making less than Doug Christie did after his game had completely fallen off a cliff. This isn't blind homerism speaking, mind you -- this is just stats.

[Darius McCrary]

Didn't timvp say that Sam Young is an insanely horrible defender, and sucks at pretty much everything?

[TheGreatYacht]

You're almost certain to get your wish, but it's at least a little humorous that you are excited by the prospect of hiring a has-been name-brand offensive 3 (CM) and an offensively challenged defensive 3 (SY) while you redundantly rail against a far more productive player like Manu, whose price/production ratio remains retardedly high. He's not ever going to be Supermanu again, but he's already making less than Doug Christie did after his game had completely fallen off a cliff. This isn't blind homerism speaking, mind you -- this is just stats.Good take. How much does Manu have left though? Hopefully enough to prove he is worthy of his $14.5M contract which I sincerely doubt.

[Johnny RIngo]

Good take. How much does Manu have left though? Hopefully enough to prove he is worthy of his $14.5M contract which I sincerely doubt.

I remember someone posted an analysis that used advanced stats to determine how much a player was actually worth. Manu's actual worth last season was $4 million...despite being the highest paid player on the team at $14 mil.

[Obstructed_View]

Why do people waste so much time debating about something we're going to see in a few weeks? We'll know who's the better fit and the better playoff as camp goes on.

[Obstructed_View]

Didn't timvp say that Sam Young is an insanely horrible defender, and sucks at pretty much everything?

Game grades are going to be so much fun if Young makes the team.

[xmas1997]

Why do people waste so much time debating about something we're going to see in a few weeks? We'll know who's the better fit and the better playoff as camp goes on.

True enough, but it beats arguing with the Manu/Pop hating trolls, it is certainly more constructive, just not as entertaining.

[Obstructed_View]

True enough, but it beats arguing with the Manu/Pop hating trolls, it is certainly more constructive, just not as entertaining.

True dat.

[iManu]

This is interesting. On a healthy team the backup small-forward doesn't stand to get many minutes. But what happens when Leonard is out? Either Pop starts Belinelli and moves Green over (similar to what happened with Neal last season) or he promotes the third-string directly into the starting lineup and keeps his rotation intact (which he usually does). If the former happens, then Young is a better choice, since he's the better defender and the team could better handle large small-forwards with him rather than relying on Ginobili or Belinelli to spell Green. If it's the latter, then it might be important to have an offensive player next to Green, since both Danny and Splitter are currently lesser cogs in the starting offense. So Maggette would seem to make sense.

Boiled down, Young's probably the better player for a fringe-rotation spot, but Maggette is probably better as a spot-starter. Whatever role Pop wants his 15th man to play is probably decide who gets the last spot.

Excellent take.

Considering our injury history, I think we should go with Maggette (I think many on here don't understand that he was one of the greatest prospects in history when he landed with Duke, and he's still, imho, needing to accomplish something: to prove his scouts right).

[exstatic]

Excellent take.

Considering our injury history, I think we should go with Maggette (I think many on here don't understand that he was one of the greatest prospects in history when he landed with Duke, and he's still, imho, needing to accomplish something: to prove his scouts right).

He came out, and never really developed anything but a "put down your head and bull to the rim" game. I think he's an awful fit, sort of the exact opposite of what we need. He can't shoot, and can't defend, sort of a no3, noD player. If he's not a high usage player for your team, he really doesn't offer much. Detroit found that out.

[SenorSpur]

There was a time that I, and others on this board, really campaigned hard for the Spurs to sign Maggette. Of course, this was pre-RJ. Never a good defender, but he could always score and get to the rim with ease, plus he's an excellent FT shooter. Despite being older, it seems that he's obviously got something left in the tank.

Young, on the other hand, is younger, is a better defender and, contrary to what some think, he does have some "sneaky" offensive skills. That well-known pump-fake of his is still lethal and effective. Sure, his shooting skills could stand some polish and I believe Chip would handle that. I just don't think Indiana got all they could've out of him. I do recall how he killed the Spurs in the Memphis series a couple of years ago.

For what the Spurs specifically need from a backup SF, I believe Young is the better choice for the backup SF spot - short term and long term.

[xmas1997]

There was a time that I, and others on this board, really campaigned hard for the Spurs to sign Maggette. Of course, this was pre-RJ. Never a good defender, but he could always score and get to the rim with ease, plus he's an excellent FT shooter. Despite being older, it seems that he's obviously got something left in the tank.

Young, on the other hand, is younger, is a better defender and, contrary to what some think, he does have some "sneaky" offensive skills. That well-known pump-fake of his is still lethal and effective. Sure, his shooting skills could stand some polish and I believe Chip would handle that. I just don't think Indiana got all they could've out of him. I do recall how he killed the Spurs in the Memphis series a couple of years ago.

For what the Spurs specifically need from a backup SF, I believe Young is the better choice for the backup SF spot - short term and long term.

Maggette sure does look like he has something left, but looks can be deceiving.
Young looks old, but looks can be deceiving.

[spurraider21]

we were supposed to sign Maggette years ago until Golden State threw all their money at him... jerks

[spurraider21]

Why do people waste so much time debating about something we're going to see in a few weeks? We'll know who's the better fit and the better playoff as camp goes on.
because that is what sports fans do

[SenorSpur]

Maggette sure does look like he has something left, but looks can be deceiving.
Young looks old, but looks can be deceiving.

That's very true and I hadn't thought about that. Maggette looks very much younger than his actual age, while Young looks older than Maggette and he's only 28.

[silverblk mystix]

Keep em both - get rid on Bonner.

Obvious.

[SpurSwag]

Keep them both and get rid of nando tbh. Nando has a skillset that is pretty redundent and unneeded on this team while Maggette and Young can both be involved in small ball line ups and have specific skill sets. Given the choice between the two though I defintely would rather have Maggette because he can create and score for himself. That's something that spurs fan really undervalued Neal for, the spurs have notoriously lacked creators outside of the big 3 for years which is why the RJ deal was so acclaimed and exciting. I think Maggette can still be an effective player, and with much more reasonable expectations from Spurs fans who aren't expecting him to be the final piece to a championship like RJ, he could be really effective in 10-15 minutes a game. Pretty much take the minutes of Jax and give them to Maggette

[xmas1997]

If they do keep both then they will have to get rid of someone.
There is no guarantee they will keep either.

[TheGreatYacht]

Keep em both - get rid on Bonner.

Obvious.or Nando.

[exstatic]

There was a time that I, and others on this board, really campaigned hard for the Spurs to sign Maggette. Of course, this was pre-RJ. Never a good defender, but he could always score and get to the rim with ease, plus he's an excellent FT shooter. Despite being older, it seems that he's obviously got something left in the tank.

Young, on the other hand, is younger, is a better defender and, contrary to what some think, he does have some "sneaky" offensive skills. That well-known pump-fake of his is still lethal and effective. Sure, his shooting skills could stand some polish and I believe Chip would handle that. I just don't think Indiana got all they could've out of him. I do recall how he killed the Spurs in the Memphis series a couple of years ago.

For what the Spurs specifically need from a backup SF, I believe Young is the better choice for the backup SF spot - short term and long term.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Sam Young. If he can fix his offensive game, he really would not be a bad option at the back-up 3.

[dallasmaverickslose]

On a serious note, why can't we just get rid of Nando de Colo and keep Maggette and Young? Nando looked like a fucking scrub (reminded me a lot of Manu in Game 6) during the summer league. I didn't get to watch Nando on the French NT though.

lol. Give Nando a chance. He's still pretty raw, but has shown some decent flashes of potential.

[look_at_g_shred]

Doesn't young lack size for the 3? Even if he fixes his jumpshot, does his lack of size worry anyone?

[xmas1997]

Doesn't young lack size for the 3? Even if he fixes his jumpshot, does his lack of size worry anyone?

How tall is he compared to Maggette?

[monkeypunk]

Doesn't young lack size for the 3? Even if he fixes his jumpshot, does his lack of size worry anyone?

He's only an inch shorter than Kawhi. Active hands and good position can make up somewhat for lack of height.

[look_at_g_shred]

He's only an inch shorter than Kawhi. Active hands and good position can make up somewhat for lack of height.

Thanks.

[monkeypunk]

I'd like to keep both but if it's one or the other, I think I'm now in the Young camp. Looks hungry so he should be working hard with Chip to get a reliable shot. If he can nail that down, he'll be a good backup for Kawhi. We need defense over offense with this roster spot. Especially with Beli looking to play big minutes, providing offense to that second unit.

I gotta agree with others that this team is stacked. What a luxury to be looking at players of Mags and Youngs ability for the 15th spot. Spurs fans not excited about this season are straight up spoiled bitches.

[xmas1997]

I'd like to keep both but if it's one or the other, I think I'm now in the Young camp. Looks hungry so he should be working hard with Chip to get a reliable shot. If he can nail that down, he'll be a good backup for Kawhi. We need defense over offense with this roster spot. Especially with Beli looking to play big minutes, providing offense to that second unit.

I gotta agree with others that this team is stacked. What a luxury to be looking at players of Mags and Youngs ability for the 15th spot. Spurs fans not excited about this season are straight up spoiled bitches.

I only wish we could push back time to where Timmy and Manu were in their prime.
Then we would be really stacked.

[Hoops Czar]

I'd like to keep both but if it's one or the other, I think I'm now in the Young camp. Looks hungry so he should be working hard with Chip to get a reliable shot. If he can nail that down, he'll be a good backup for Kawhi. We need defense over offense with this roster spot. Especially with Beli looking to play big minutes, providing offense to that second unit.

I gotta agree with others that this team is stacked. What a luxury to be looking at players of Mags and Youngs ability for the 15th spot. Spurs fans not excited about this season are straight up spoiled bitches.

Neither Maggette or Young are luxuries at this point or they'd already be signed elsewhere. The Spurs are stuck looking for a bottom of the barrel SF, something the Spurs FO maybe should have put forth a little more time and effort into during the off season so it wouldn't have to come to this.. Maggette's defense is terrible so if he can't provide a spark on offense, there's no point to signing him. Young is the obvious choice here because of his defense, but he still needs to knock down open jumpers on offense or teams are going to sag off him and clog the lanes.

You're grossly misusing the term "stacked". Ayres is injury prone and hasn't even played meaningful minutes in the NBA. De Colo, Mills and Baynes are still on the roster and don't provide much offense or defense. CoJo, the predetermined best of the rest, is still raw and now he's expected to carry the load at the backup pg position. Ginobili and Duncan are a year older and you have to expect a little regression in overall production at the bare minimum, not to mention a decrease in minutes as well. Belinelli and Neal cancel each other out. I'm not even going to factor in the possibility of injuries to key contributors like Kawhi, TP, or ginobili., who, all of which, are injury prone. All in all, the jury is still out on whether this team will be better than last year's.

Also, I've said it once so I'll say it again, just because Maggette/Young are vying for the 15th roster spot doesn't mean they're going to be treated like one. Both are playing for the backup SF position and whoever is signed will definitely be a fixture in the rotation behind Leonard. De Colo, Mills and Baynes will still be end of the bench fodder.

[look_at_g_shred]

Neither Maggette or Young are luxuries at this point or they'd already be signed elsewhere. The Spurs are stuck looking for a bottom of the barrel SF, something the Spurs FO maybe should have put forth a little more time and effort into during the off season so it wouldn't have to come to this.. Maggette's defense is terrible so if he can't provide a spark on offense, there's no point to signing him. Young is the obvious choice here because of his defense, but he still needs to knock down open jumpers on offense or teams are going to sag off him and clog the lanes.

You're grossly misusing the term "stacked". Ayres is injury prone and hasn't even played meaningful minutes in the NBA. De Colo, Mills and Baynes are still on the roster and don't provide much offense or defense. CoJo, the predetermined best of the rest, is still raw and now he's expected to carry the load at the backup pg position. Ginobili and Duncan are a year older and you have to expect a little regression in overall production at the bare minimum, not to mention a decrease in minutes as well. Belinelli and Neal cancel each other out. I'm not even going to factor in the possibility of injuries to key contributors like Kawhi, TP, or ginobili., who, all of which, are injury prone. All in all, the jury is still out on whether this team will be better than last year's.

Also, I've said it once so I'll say it again, just because Maggette/Young are vying for the 15th roster spot doesn't mean they're going to be treated like one. Both are playing for the backup SF position and whoever is signed will definitely be a fixture in the rotation behind Leonard. De Colo, Mills and Baynes will still be end of the bench fodder.

Kyrie gonna surprise the league this year?

[Hoops Czar]

Kyrie gonna surprise the league this year?

Yes, although It won't be a surprise.

[xmas1997]

Kyrie gonna surprise the league this year?

:lol
Kyrie?
Is that Japanese for Kawhi?

[look_at_g_shred]

How'd you know?

[look_at_g_shred]

It will be if he can stay healthy.

[Bruno]

I'm surprised by how some of you are high on these players.

Magette's 12-13 PER: 7.9
Young's 12-13 PER: 7.5

That's just damn bad. There is a strong possibility that the answer between Maggette and Young will be neither.

[xmas1997]

I'm surprised by how some of you are high on these players.

Magette's 12-13 PER: 7.9
Young's 12-13 PER: 7.5

That's just damn bad. There is a strong possibility that the answer between Maggette and Young will be neither.

I've said the same thing, Bruno.
There is a huge possibility the Spurs go into the season with 14 players like they usually do.
Glad to see someone else agrees with that possibility.

[mountainballer]

I'm surprised by how some of you are high on these players.

Magette's 12-13 PER: 7.9
Young's 12-13 PER: 7.5

That's just damn bad. There is a strong possibility that the answer between Maggette and Young will be neither.

true. but if their last season numbers were significantly better, they wouldn't be just camp invitees.
Maggette's per was 14.1 the season before, so there is hope, that he could at least improve to 10-12.
and Young is one of those defensive players, the PER just doesn't love. like PER hated Bruce, who hardly jumped over 6, even in his best years.

[Bruno]

true. but if their last season numbers were significantly better, they wouldn't be just camp invitees.
Maggette's per was 14.1 the season before, so there is hope, that he could at least improve to 10-12.
and Young is one of those defensive players, the PER just doesn't love. like PER hated Bruce, who hardly jumped over 6, even in his best years.

I think Young is the one that is the most likely to stick. Regarding Maggette, his decline really looks like age-related. He will soon be 34 and for a player with that kind of play, it starts to be a lot.

And if both Young and Maggette are bad, Spurs will still have to opportunity to look at players that have been waived by other teams. There will have some good players among them.

[Captivus]

He's only an inch shorter than Kawhi. Active hands and good position can make up somewhat for lack of height.

Kawhi



Height w/o Shoes
Height w/shoes
Weight
Wingspan
Standing Reach
Body Fat
No Step Vert
Max Vert
Bench Press
Lane Agility
3/4 Court Sprint
Class Rank


6' 6"
6' 7"
227
7' 3"
8' 10"
5.4
25.5
32.0
3
11.45
3.15
NA



Young



Height w/o Shoes
Height w/shoes
Weight
Wingspan
Standing Reach
Body Fat
No Step Vert
Max Vert
Bench Press
Lane Agility
3/4 Court Sprint
Class Rank


6' 5.25"
6' 6.75"
223
6' 10.75"
8' 9.5"
4.9
27.5
33.0
NA
11.47
3.45
NA



This is predraft...so...Young numbers are probably worst now, specially his Vert.

[mountainballer]

I think Young is the one that is the most likely to stick. Regarding Maggette, his decline really looks like age-related. He will soon be 34 and for a player with that kind of play, it starts to be a lot.

And if both Young and Maggette are bad, Spurs will still have to opportunity to look at players that have been waived by other teams. There will have some good players among them.

yes. as I tried to argue some days ago, I don't even think it's between Young and Maggette. Young is in, he would have to play a very very bad camp, so that they don't keep him. (which I don't see coming, considering his reputation as a hard worker and good guy.). if Maggette surprises and can show he can bounce back from his bad season (yes, his decline is mostly age related, but he really fell off a cliff in Detroit, so maybe there were some more reasons that held him back). in this case I see him in a competition with Nando and Mills for the last spot. let's assume the Spurs find a way to get rid of either without just waive them and lose the money. one thing can be said about Maggette: he knows how to get to the line. (even in his desaster year in Detroit he went to the line - per minute - 4 times as often as for example Nando). no other bench player on the Spurs outside Manu comes even close to his numbers. it would just open a tactical option, the Spurs currently don't have and make the Spurs offense more versatile. it's a bit like having Steve Kerr in 2003 as a last resort. Kerr just had to shoot and hit his one or two shots. and Maggette would just be asked to initiate contact and get a foul. (you can't ask this from either Nando or Mills, neither you can ask both to hit a crucial 3)

[look_at_g_shred]

When is the Final Roster set/announced?

[Obstructed_View]

I'm surprised by how some of you are high on these players.

Magette's 12-13 PER: 7.9
Young's 12-13 PER: 7.5

That's just damn bad. There is a strong possibility that the answer between Maggette and Young will be neither.

Sam Young had a PER of 13 as a rookie and looked like the guy a lot of Spurs fans wished they could have drafted. He seems to have derailed quite badly, but it's not due to injury or his body breaking down. If there's a team that can reclaim a guy like that, it's the Spurs. We'll find out soon enough if he's just taking a paycheck or if he wants to contribute to a good team.

[lmbebo]

My guess is that Young makes it onto the roster. How long he sticks is anyone's guess.

[therealtruth]

yes. as I tried to argue some days ago, I don't even think it's between Young and Maggette. Young is in, he would have to play a very very bad camp, so that they don't keep him. (which I don't see coming, considering his reputation as a hard worker and good guy.). if Maggette surprises and can show he can bounce back from his bad season (yes, his decline is mostly age related, but he really fell off a cliff in Detroit, so maybe there were some more reasons that held him back). in this case I see him in a competition with Nando and Mills for the last spot. let's assume the Spurs find a way to get rid of either without just waive them and lose the money. one thing can be said about Maggette: he knows how to get to the line. (even in his desaster year in Detroit he went to the line - per minute - 4 times as often as for example Nando). no other bench player on the Spurs outside Manu comes even close to his numbers. it would just open a tactical option, the Spurs currently don't have and make the Spurs offense more versatile. it's a bit like having Steve Kerr in 2003 as a last resort. Kerr just had to shoot and hit his one or two shots. and Maggette would just be asked to initiate contact and get a foul. (you can't ask this from either Nando or Mills, neither you can ask both to hit a crucial 3)

I don't think you can blame Maggette for what happened in Detroit. The Pistons were looking to play their younger guys. He fits in more on a veteran team.

[swaggerjackson]

Definitely pulling for Maggette to make the team. His post entry passes are amazing!


?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxhJvgKNUCI&feature=youtu.be

[Two10Whitey]

Definitely pulling for Maggette to make the team. His post entry passes are amazing!


?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxhJvgKNUCI&feature=youtu.be
Lmao that was horrible. :lol

[Darkwaters]

I gotta agree with others that this team is stacked. What a luxury to be looking at players of Mags and Youngs ability for the 15th spot. Spurs fans not excited about this season are straight up spoiled bitches.

It's a very sweet notion that you think Young would be a deeper bench player than Nando de Colo. It's almost like hes a real NBA player and everything!

[look_at_g_shred]

Don't care what anybody else thinks, i'm on the Sam Young train!!

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Maggette is playing better, but I think Young has the best change to make the team.

[xmas1997]

As ace and Bruno say whoever makes that 15th spot is liable to play a much greater role than what a normal 15th player would play.

[wildbill2u]

The 15th spot on the roster is strictly injury insurance. I think you need to leave that slot open for unexpected events. No sense in having to cut someone (and pay them off) to make room. If all else fails, there may be younger, more athletic players on the Toros roster that can be brought up and given a shot. That is what the Toros farm club is for.

So any question about Young or Magette has to be whether they should be in the top 13 players in the rotation, moving a couple of the guys we now have down into the practice squad.

[Seventyniner]

I think Diaw's play will have something to do with this decision. If Diaw is more aggressive (as he has shown in international play), scoring off the bench will become less important and Young's stock rises.

[look_at_g_shred]

OT but JaMychal Green was just released by the Clips. I know the Spurs were once interested in him. Maybe nothing there, but that's another route if the Spurs don't keep either Young/Maggette.

[dougp]

How come neither players are playing tonight?

[jeebus]

How come neither players are playing tonight?
Young is playing. He's a piece of shit but he's playing.

[Robz4000]

Cut Young now tbh. De Colo too.

[Ice009]

The 15th spot on the roster is strictly injury insurance. I think you need to leave that slot open for unexpected events. No sense in having to cut someone (and pay them off) to make room. If all else fails, there may be younger, more athletic players on the Toros roster that can be brought up and given a shot. That is what the Toros farm club is for.

So any question about Young or Magette has to be whether they should be in the top 13 players in the rotation, moving a couple of the guys we now have down into the practice squad.

Sam Young just showed that being athletic doesn't mean you can play Basketball.

[Biernutz]

From what I saw tonight Sam is a gone. He made a lot of mistakes.
With about 1:05 in the 4th he pulled up to the 3 point line with 15 sec left
on the 24 and clanked the rib. It was a bad shot.With that shot Pop
said something to coach Boylen.
I didn't see Maggette play unless he did when I went to get a drink. He
will probably get more time next game.

[Boomersgold]

From what I saw tonight Sam is a gone. He made a lot of mistakes.
With about 1:05 in the 4th he pulled up to the 3 point line with 15 sec left
on the 24 and clanked the rib. It was a bad shot.With that shot Pop
said something to coach Boylen.
I didn't see Maggette play unless he did when I went to get a drink. He
will probably get more time next game.

Maggette didn't play.

[Texas_Ranger]

after tonight it's pretty obvious.

[Biernutz]

Patty made a good case for 2nd point . Patty played very hard like 10/10.
Cory played ok, steady...I don't know about Nando. He did not impress at all.
Sometimes he looked out of sync with out much improvement in level from
last year.

[exstatic]

If Pop was actually auditioning, they both would have played. Young was the only camp invite to play tonight. The other 5 were nailed to the bench. I would guess that cuts would start tomorrow, now that they've all dressed for a game in a Spurs uni.

The way it looks from tonight, it's Young or no one.

[Biernutz]

The stand out was Jeff Ayres. This guy will be good for us. At 6'9"-250lbs he did not get pushed
around by the CASKA guys. Jeff was guarding on one of their big men who trying to do bump in to
the basket. He backed into Jeff real hard and Jeff didn't move and the Russian bounced off
Jeff and lost the ball. Jeff rebounded hard and was very active under the basket With good location.
If he keeps playing like that he would be good coming in for Tim or Tago. He looked that good.

[Raven]

after today's showing i'd say none.

[gee]

Pretty safe to say neither of them will be making the team.

[xmas1997]

Pretty safe to say neither of them will be making the team.

I don't know if that is the safe bet or not, but I tend to agree with you.
We shall see.

[look_at_g_shred]

Pop will give Young another chance because of the respect Pop has for him. I'm pulling for him to show up!

[Dex]

My bet is Maggette will get some run in the 2nd game. Last night was Young's turn.

[ace3g]

Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling
(http://twitter.com/JaredZwerling)Hearing the Spurs have released Sam Young.

[xmas1997]

Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling
(http://twitter.com/JaredZwerling)Hearing the Spurs have released Sam Young.




I knew it.
Next to go will be Maggette.

[timtonymanu]

:lol He did suck badly last night.

[monkeypunk]

Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling
(http://twitter.com/JaredZwerling)Hearing the Spurs have released Sam Young.


Kinda surprised they didnt give him one more game but kinda not surprised based on his level of suckage.

[Prime Time]

Was he THAT horrific? I wasn't able to watch the game last night. I mean, I know his offense sucks. But even his defense was terrible?

[ace3g]

Was he THAT horrific? I wasn't able to watch the game last night. I mean, I know his offense sucks. But even his defense was terrible?

He missed 2 easy layups, got blocked, and took a bad 3 pt shot. The thing that I saw that stood out was that his shot mechanics are still bad. He still has his off hand under the ball...it should be more to the side. He shoots/holds the ball similar to how Iverson did.

[xmas1997]

He missed 2 easy layups, got blocked, and took a bad 3 pt shot. The thing that I saw that stood out was that his shot mechanics are still bad. He still has his off hand under the ball...it should be more to the side. He shoots/holds the ball similar to how Iverson did.


Ace, what's your best guess, do you think they will keep or let Maggette go too?

[Prime Time]

Guess he only balls against the Spurs, not with them lol

[timtonymanu]

Ace, what's your best guess, do you think they will keep or let Maggette go too?

I know you aren't referring to me, but IMO Maggette gets cut too. I feel like the Spurs will Manu back up Kawhi, at this point of his career it makes sense. If Maggette sticks around, I doubt he will stay the full season, especially if more promising players are out there, then the Spurs will cut Maggette.

[timtonymanu]

Spurs waive Sam Young:

http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/131010_spurs_waive_sam_young

[td4mvp2k]

Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling (http://twitter.com/JaredZwerling)Hearing the Spurs have released Sam Young.lookz like maggs iz da BU SF... Congrats :tu

[timtonymanu]

lookz like maggs iz da BU SF... Congrats :tu

They could still waive Maggette. Nothing is certain yet.

[td4mvp2k]

They could still waive Maggette. Nothing is certain yet.it waz certain on sunday

[ace3g]

I wonder if possibly Young found a guaranteed contract overseas somewhere. Granted the quick turnaround on the cut doesn't surprise me, maybe there was a reason other than the poor play.

[Spursfanfromafar]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/131010_spurs_waive_sam_young

Official.. Young is waived.

[jeebus]

Pop will give Young another chance because of the respect Pop has for him. I'm pulling for him to show up!


He's a piece of shit


Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling
(http://twitter.com/JaredZwerling)Hearing the Spurs have released Sam Young.

[look_at_g_shred]

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. He did look horrible last night jeebus . Let's see what the Spurs do now.

[txstr1986]

Looks like Maggette is the better fit by default.

[xmas1997]

Looks like Maggette is the better fit by default.

:lol