So, um, Lane Kiffin...

[JMarkJohns]

Shitcanned!!!!

Holy crap what an embarrassing demise. Removed from team bus? Dumped to find own way back home from airport? Fired five weeks in? Hahaha...

I worked with Phil Fumler's daughter, Brittany, for over a year. It was always hilarious to here her sweet, southern vocabulary and accent call Kiffin a douche. Fumler's are celebrating today, that's for sure.

Couldn't have happened to a bigger t:lol:loll...

[JMarkJohns]

Dumbass reportedly recently borrowed $500,000 from USC (or got an advance) so he could buy a Manhattan Beach mansion. Whoops! USC can demand advance back immediately.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah it'll be a long time before he gets a head coaching job again. Wonder if he'll even be able to go back to being an OC.

[JMarkJohns]

Rumblings are that the players sort of celebrated upon hearing the news. These are all his recruits. When the kindest response is an anonymous "we aren't upset he's gone," holy crap you've failed.

But he failed at Tennessee and landed USC.
And he failed at Oakland and landed Tennessee.

Crazy how some people fail upward. He and Alford.

Something 'bout LA mentality, I guess.

"Sucked in his last role, but he's perfect for my vision!"

[JMarkJohns]

Lots of talk of Fischer and Del Rio, but a name that makes a ton of sense is Kevin Sumlin. Basically leverage Manziel into USC gig. His style would get boosters back .

[DMX7]

Dumbass reportedly recently borrowed $500,000 from USC (or got an advance) so he could buy a Manhattan Beach mansion. Whoops! USC can demand advance back immediately.

Well, he has good taste because Manhattan Beach is a beautiful and great place to live, but a "7,308-square-foot contemporary Craftsman [with] six bedrooms and seven bathrooms" is a bit excessive.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/15/business/la-fi-hotprop-20120715

[Blake]

lol johngateswhiteley

lol lol if he somehow ends up with the cowboys

[DMX7]

It gets better.

"Now here's the rub: Under the terms of the loan, if Lane gets fired or quits, USC can demand the $500k back, STAT. And Lane has to pay interest to boot."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/23/usc-to-football-lane-kiffin-home-loan-fired-manhattan-beach-house/#ixzz2gIlqYk40

[DMX7]

He can probably afford it somehow though.

[DesignatedT]

I'd imagine Steve Sarkisian might top there list a long with Sumlin.

[Sisk]

He bought that house last summer. Not very recent.

[Sisk]

And LOL USC

[symple19]

Makes sense to do it now. They know UT is going to be looking as well. This way they get a head start

lololololololololoololololololol

Lots of people saw this coming, not sure how USC didn't and hired him in the first place

[Vito Corleone]

And LOL USC

My money is they get Sarkisian, Del Rio, or Fisher, but I will never let you live it down if they hire Sumlin from you aggsy

[Sisk]

We wont let USC outbid us for Sumlin. He may get a raise out of the whole thing, but if he leaves it will be for something other than cash. He's also just completing a new house in CS.

[JMarkJohns]

USC can spend whatever. GTF out if the SEC which will be impossible to win without Manziel, head to Cali and freaking own the town, and, likely, the conference and always be in discussion for NC.

Sumlin thought about picking Arizona over A&M. USC should be a no-brainer unless he's angling for Texas.

[Sisk]

USC can spend whatever. GTF out if the SEC which will be impossible to win without Manziel, head to Cali and freaking own the town, and, likely, the conference and always be in discussion for NC.

Sumlin thought about picking Arizona over A&M. USC should be a no-brainer unless he's angling for Texas.

You think A&M will be outbid by USC? A&M wont match or better USC's offer? Sumlin would never pick Arizona over A&M, get your head out of your ass.

[Vito Corleone]

You think A&M will be outbid by USC? A&M wont match or better USC's offer? Sumlin would never pick Arizona over A&M, get your head out of your ass.

It's not just about money, a$m has money, more than anyone in the SEC, but you are again in a no win situation. He is in the shadow of Saban and Miles at a program that might be one of the top 25 in the country but no where near the top 10. USC is in the top 5 maybe top 3 programs in the country. They are the only program to have more advantages than Texas. They recruit the nation like Texas recruits the state of Texas. They are hollywood. If he goes to USC he will always be in the national title hunt, if he stays at a$m he will barely be in the SEC West division hunt.

USC is to the Pac 12 what Texas is to the Big 12 and Alabama is to the SEC. It wasn't long ago that USC was the premier program in the nation, most recruits haven't forgotten that.

To be honest, Sumlin would be an idiot to pick aggsy over USC, I don't care what kind of house he is building.

[Clipper Nation]

I experienced something you will never experience. I watched the team I have followed since I was 8 years old win a national championship. I was a fan back in 1983 when we lost to Georgia. I was a fan back when the wheels fell off the program back in 1984. I was a fan and had to endure losing to Miami back in 1990 cotton bowl. I endured McWilliams, Machovic and Mack having blowout losses to OU.

Fact is it was all worth it see us win the MNC. You can say what you want, but Mack is a better coach than anything you have ever had at Tech and if he were at Tech win or lose he would be a legend just like he is at Texas. When your school wins something, anything then you can judge Mack but until then you don't know what you are talking about.

He needs to be replaced, there is no doubt about it, but he goes out with dignity and respect he has earned.

[Vito Corleone]

I experienced something you will never experience. I watched the team I have followed since I was 8 years old win a national championship. I was a fan back in 1983 when we lost to Georgia. I was a fan back when the wheels fell off the program back in 1984. I was a fan and had to endure losing to Miami back in 1990 cotton bowl. I endured McWilliams, Machovic and Mack having blowout losses to OU.

Fact is it was all worth it see us win the MNC. You can say what you want, but Mack is a better coach than anything you have ever had at Tech and if he were at Tech win or lose he would be a legend just like he is at Texas. When your school wins something, anything then you can judge Mack but until then you don't know what you are talking about.

He needs to be replaced, there is no doubt about it, but he goes out with dignity and respect he has earned.

Fantastic, sing my song, young bitch. I had no idea I was in your heart and mind as well. I need to copyright that quote, make a little money every time you sing it.

[JMarkJohns]

You think A&M will be outbid by USC? A&M wont match or better USC's offer? Sumlin would never pick Arizona over A&M, get your head out of your ass.

Sumlin strongly considered Arizona, then opted to stay in Texas and net more money from A&M.

Had money been near equal, who knows?

And that's the point. If he really liked the idea of coaching the the PAC enough to strongly consider a middle-tier team like Arizona, then, having likely coached for the last time, the most talented player he'll ever get at A&M, why wouldn't he opt for USC at year' send with near equal money, prestige, and the lure of LA to recruit nationally?

[Sisk]

Sumlin strongly considered Arizona, then opted to stay in Texas and net more money from A&M.

Had money been near equal, who knows?

And that's the point. If he really liked the idea of coaching the the PAC enough to strongly consider a middle-tier team like Arizona, then, having likely coached for the last time, the most talented player he'll ever get at A&M, why wouldn't he opt for USC at year' send with near equal money, prestige, and the lure of LA to recruit nationally?

Had money been more from Arizona he would have chosen A&M still. The ceiling for A&M is much higher than at Arizona. This isn't basketball.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You think A&M will be outbid by USC? A&M wont match or better USC's offer? Sumlin would never pick Arizona over A&M, get your head out of your ass.
Given how much money USC threw at someone like Kiffin, I can't imagine how much money they'd throw at someone like Sumlin who's actually a good coach :lol


The fact USC kept Kiffin and then fired him after 5 games makes even less sense than when Arizona kept Stoops for the 2011 season and fired him after 6 games. Both coaches, the season before, had extremely disappointing 7-5 seasons with horrible finishes and were despised by the fans. There was absolutely no chance Kiffin was going to resurrect any kind of career at USC after last season just like there was no chance Stoops would bounce back at UofA after the 2010 season. All it does is kill recruiting and make it so the inevitable rebuilding phase lasts a year longer when you keep a coach like Kiffin or Stoops who's as good as gone.

[benefactor]

The money will not be an issue. If USC comes calling then Sumlin is gone. Only a dumbass would think otherwise.

[FkLA]

Are there actual rumblings of USC being interested in Sumlin or just speculation by posters ?

What the fuck led to kiffin getting kicked out the team bus too. :lmao

[Blake]

There is some serious overrating of Kevin Sumlin going on here.

[Sisk]

The money will not be an issue. If USC comes calling then Sumlin is gone. Only a dumbass would think otherwise.

:lol

[benefactor]

As I said, only a dumbass.

[Trainwreck2100]

two words


Chip Kelly

[Sisk]

As I said, only a dumbass.

You better hope he leaves.

[JMarkJohns]

Had money been more from Arizona he would have chosen A&M still. The ceiling for A&M is much higher than at Arizona. This isn't basketball.

No kidding. I didn't say he wouldn't. I said who knows. No one really does. But I know, and when it comes to Arizona, I'm as plugged in as anyone in the country - no joke - I know Sumlin strongly considered Arizona. This was before the full scale push from A&M. Recall that Arizona Fired Stoops like Kiffin was fired here. Sumlin had his people call Arizona, Arizona ctalked things out, and it was something Sumlin liked.

Now, A&M is hella better than Houston, but I'm saying I know he was strongly intrigued by the PAC-12, and that was at a middle-tier school with a 1.5-2 million per budget and no local recruiting base.

Now the temptation is USC coming off their sanctions where a Rose Bowl within first four years would endear him to the populace and he'd have the decade Petey got, likely longer. I am not a believer that Oregon can keep this up, and Stanford always ebbs and flows. UCLA is second tier, and both Washington and ASU have recruiting issues with truly elite players.

The Conference is ripe for the picking.

Sumlin knows he can get a bunch of money from a desperate USC program and knows it'll be easier to both recruit elite talent to USC and win the Conference at USC than either or both at A&M.

Kelly is an interesting name, but each coming of sanctions, that's an iffy pairing.

Sumlin's style and recent history bode well for him.

[JMarkJohns]

Are there actual rumblings of USC being interested in Sumlin or just speculation by posters ?

What the fuck led to kiffin getting kicked out the team bus too. :lmao

Yeah. I made it. But I'm not just a poster. I'm a former journalist with in tact sources who admins for the Yahoo and Fox Sports recruiting services, Rivals and Scout, with an emphasis on Arizona and the PAC-12 South.

[Clipper Nation]

two words


Chip Kelly
Two words:

Show Cause

[JMarkJohns]

Two words:

Show Cause

Yes, plus you'd think USC isn't anxious to get in bed with another coach who's brought sanctions upon a top program.

Maybe, but I'd think they'd get the best clean coach out there and just pitch the brand.

[FkLA]

Yeah. I made it. But I'm not just a poster. I'm a former journalist with in tact sources who admins for the Yahoo and Fox Sports recruiting services, Rivals and Scout, with an emphasis on Arizona and the PAC-12 South.

Didn't mean as a shot towards you or anyone else brah, was genuinely wondering. You've heard that the people at USC will make a run at him ?

[JMarkJohns]

One of my guys texted me this morning: "Ignore Del Rio; Lookout for Sumlin."

He's not making the decision, but I trust him enough to start the debate with it.

I'm better in basketball. I have two sources, one in particular, that are just awesome. I admit this is source-driven conjecture right now. But holy crap does it make sense.

I texted back that the time after Manziel would be hard at A&M like Meyer/Florida post-Tebow. I pointed out Meyer bolted. He texted "yep"...

I have a friend who's working his way up with ESPN Los Angeles who told me to look out for a Kiffin firing if they lost. Told me Tuesday.

In all honesty, I didn't think USC would lose.

[Clipper Nation]

384503997693849600

[JMarkJohns]

Due diligence. Makes sense. Easier to talk to NFL guys right now.

I know USC had luck with the "mediocre NFL coach-turned-great college coach with Petey, but Del Rio doesn't make a lot of sense before seeing what current successful college coach is interested, be it Sumlin or someone else.

[Sisk]

One of my guys texted me this morning: "Ignore Del Rio; Lookout for Sumlin."

He's not making the decision, but I trust him enough to start the debate with it.

I'm better in basketball. I have two sources, one in particular, that are just awesome. I admit this is source-driven conjecture right now. But holy crap does it make sense.

I texted back that the time after Manziel would be hard at A&M like Meyer/Florida post-Tebow. I pointed out Meyer bolted. He texted "yep"...

I have a friend who's working his way up with ESPN Los Angeles who told me to look out for a Kiffin firing if they lost. Told me Tuesday.

In all honesty, I didn't think USC would lose.

Ohio State was always Meyer's dream job. Different situation.

[JMarkJohns]

Not sure...

I doubt A&M is Sumlin's.

[Holden_Caulfield]

kiffin come coach gabbert for us, we need a new OC

[Vito Corleone]

Not sure...

I doubt A&M is Sumlin's.

I just love watching aggsy dangle in the wind.

[pgardn]

Not sure...

I doubt A&M is Sumlin's.

What?

College Station is the Mecca of....

Have you seen the museum of farm implements?

[JMarkJohns]

USC, Texas, A&M

One of these things is not like the other...

[DesignatedT]

USC, Texas, A&M

One of these things is not like the other...

One of them is ranked in the top 10?

[JMarkJohns]

One of them is ranked in the top 10?

Sunshine/Dog's ass

[Twisted_Dawg]

Rumblings are that the players sort of celebrated upon hearing the news. These are all his recruits. When the kindest response is an anonymous "we aren't upset he's gone," holy crap you've failed.

But he failed at Tennessee and landed USC.
And he failed at Oakland and landed Tennessee.

Crazy how some people fail upward. He and Alford.

Something 'bout LA mentality, I guess.

"Sucked in his last role, but he's perfect for my vision!"

I want to know how Pat Hayden gets to skate since he hired this loser in the first place?

[Twisted_Dawg]

What is the over/under of Kiffin's hot wife, Layla, leaving him now that he got fired, they will lose the beach house and have to move New Mexico State as the Asst WR Coach?

"Layla, you've got me on my knees,
Layla, I'm begging darling please."

http://fullhousesports.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/kelli-jaguars.jpg

[rold50]

I want to know how Pat Hayden gets to skate since he hired this loser in the first place?

The previous AD hired Kiffin, not Haden.

[Sisk]

Sunshine/Dog's ass

:lol

Sumlin isn't leaving for USC. Period.

[lebomb]

and have to move New Mexico State as the Asst WR Coach?




:lmao

[Vito Corleone]

:lol

Sumlin isn't leaving for USC. Period.

You still don't realize your still a second rate fringe top 25 school. USC is one of the top programs in the country, historically it is the best in the country at producing NFL talent. They recruit nationally like Notre Dame except they are hollywood. They own LA, your school barely owns Bryant College station. And your coach knows this.

Only a complete moron in denial would think he would pick collieville over Los Angeles. Where would you rather live, East Texas or Malibu?

The only reason, and I mean this, the only reason he picks aggsy over USC is if USC gives him a disrespectful offer, but more than likely they will go with an NFL guy or Steve Sarkasian.

[Blake]

Mack Brown to SC would be fun.

[Sisk]

Not everyone prefers to live in Hollywood.

[JMarkJohns]

Not everyone prefers to live in Hollywood.

Almost no one prefers to live in College Station.

Remember when Manziel said he couldn't wait to get out? That's on-record recruiting fodder against TAMU.

Sumlin knows he's on borrowed time. With Manziel he set the bar to an unattainable level. He isn't reaching this level of success with A&M again in another decade or more.

[Sisk]

Almost no one prefers to live in College Station.

Remember when Manziel said he couldn't wait to get out? That's on-record recruiting fodder against TAMU.

Sumlin knows he's on borrowed time. With Manziel he set the bar to an unattainable level. He isn't reaching this level of success with A&M again in another decade or more.

Because he's the biggest celebrity in town and he got a ticket for parking the wrong direction on a road. You're really reaching here. Remember that time when A&M pulled the best player in the state of Arizona to come play for us? Guess he likes college station.

[Vito Corleone]

Because he's the biggest celebrity in town and he got a ticket for parking the wrong direction on a road. You're really reaching here. Remember that time when A&M pulled the best player in the state of Arizona to come play for us? Guess he likes college station.

Remember the last time you had a truly great coach? I think his name was Bear Bryant, what happened to him? Do you think anything has changed for anyone to believe that a$m is nothing more than a stepping stone university for the truly big named coaches.

Remember what happened to Tennessee when USC came calling? And believe me, they have more skins on their wall than aggsy could only dream of having. My dad was alive when they won their last MNC. The last time a$m won a legit conference title, none of us as yet had heard of Osama Bin Lauden.

Don't kid yourself, most sane people would rather live in SoCal over colleyville.

[JMarkJohns]

Because he's the biggest celebrity in town and he got a ticket for parking the wrong direction on a road. You're really reaching here. Remember that time when A&M pulled the best player in the state of Arizona to come play for us? Guess he likes college station.

Everybody pulls the best talent out of Arizona. Most want to escape.

Don't get me wrong, A&M is a quality program. But USC is on the Mount Rushmore of college programs.

He may not go, but like VC says, it'll most like be because USC went in a different direction.

[Sisk]

Remember the last time you had a truly great coach? I think his name was Bear Bryant, what happened to him? Do you think anything has changed for anyone to believe that a$m is nothing more than a stepping stone university for the truly big named coaches.

Remember what happened to Tennessee when USC came calling? And believe me, they have more skins on their wall than aggsy could only dream of having. My dad was alive when they won their last MNC. The last time a$m won a legit conference title, none of us as yet had heard of Osama Bin Lauden.

Don't kid yourself, most sane people would rather live in SoCal over colleyville.

This post speaks for itself.


Everybody pulls the best talent out of Arizona. Most want to escape.

Don't get me wrong, A&M is a quality program. But USC is on the Mount Rushmore of college programs.

He may not go, but like VC says, it'll most like be because USC went in a different direction.

Why would Kyle Allen choose to live in College Station when he could go almost anywhere else in the country?

[Vito Corleone]

Sisk, I bet the sky is Maroon in your world. But your biggest weakness, this is Earth. And on Earth, your university is a fringe top 25 program of all-time. USC is one of the top 3 programs of all time. They have more recruiting advantages than Texas does, the only thing they don't have more of is money, but then again neither do you.

If both schools were in prison, they would own the cell block and aggsy would be bending over grabbing ankles.

Now, Sumlin might want to stay in aggsyville and call a$m home for the rest of his life, but don't count on it. Your school is no different than USCe, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, or Tennessee. When a big dog comes calling, your coach would be stupid to stay.

[tlongII]

In USC's defense at least they didn't wait to get rid of an under-performing Kiffin. Unlike say Texas and Mack Brown. :lol

[Sisk]

Sisk, I bet the sky is Maroon in your world. But your biggest weakness, this is Earth. And on Earth, your university is a fringe top 25 program of all-time. USC is one of the top 3 programs of all time. They have more recruiting advantages than Texas does, the only thing they don't have more of is money, but then again neither do you.

If both schools were in prison, they would own the cell block and aggsy would be bending over grabbing ankles.

Now, Sumlin might want to stay in aggsyville and call a$m home for the rest of his life, but don't count on it. Your school is no different than USCe, Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, or Tennessee. When a big dog comes calling, your coach would be stupid to stay.

I love that you really believe that we are a "fringe" top 25 program.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I love that you really believe that we are a "fringe" top 25 program.
It's also funny he accuses you of thinking the sky is maroon.

I'm pretty sure he thinks the sky is orange and that Mack Brown can cause rain by crying.

[Bill_Brasky]

It's also funny he accuses you of thinking the sky is maroon.

I'm pretty sure he thinks the sky is orange and that Mack Brown can cause rain by crying.

I also think he wrote one of the most unintentionally funny homer posts I've read here.

"but but I hate aggsy! let's talk about anything other than how much Texas sucks right now!"

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Also, the nickname "a$m" might even be less funny than when johngateswhitley thought he was being clever by reversing the letters and saying "t.u."

[benefactor]

I love that you really believe that we are a "fringe" top 25 program.
In no order...

Alabama
Florida
Clemson
Georgia
Miami
Texas
LSU
Auburn
Ohio St.
Notre Dame
USC
Florida St.
Oregon
Michigan
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Oklahoma
Penn State
Wisconsin
Michigan State
UCLA
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Tennessee

Texas A&M

[Bill_Brasky]

a&m gets PUF funding bro. I gotta admit aggy is a lot better than a lot of those schools.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah I think UCLA is a huge stretch. Once Jim Mora bolts for the NFL they'll be back to irrelevance.

[Sisk]

In no order...

Alabama
Florida
Clemson
Georgia
Miami
Texas
LSU
Auburn
Ohio St.
Notre Dame
USC
Florida St.
Oregon
Michigan
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Oklahoma
Penn State
Wisconsin
Michigan State
UCLA
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Tennessee

Texas A&M

What is the point of a list if there is no order?

[benefactor]

a&m gets PUF funding bro. I gotta admit aggy is a lot better than a lot of those schools.
Not historically...which is the context that was given. They have only won 6 bowl games since 1986. UCLA isn't that much better historically but they still are...due to a streak of 8 bowl wins in a row between '83 and '91. I'd say at least 15 of those are significantly ahead of Aggie...and the other 9 can be debated ahead. So saying they are historically a fringe top 25 team is not unreasonable.

[Sisk]

Not historically...which is the context that was given. They have only won 6 bowl games since 1986. UCLA isn't that much better historically but they still are...due to a streak of 8 bowl wins in a row between '83 and '91. I'd say at least 15 of those are significantly ahead of Aggie...and the other 9 can be debated ahead. So saying they are historically a fringe top 25 team is a reasonable statement.

What's more relevant in determining the value of a coaching job?

A. Current direction of a program, quality of facilities, fan support, conference the school is in
OR
B. How good a team was in the 1980s

[benefactor]

What's more relevant in determining the value of a coaching job?

A. Current direction of a program, quality of facilities, fan support, conference the school is in
OR
B. How good a team was in the 1980s
Stop deflecting, Fkla.

The statement was made that USC is a top 3 program of all time. This is probably not true, but they are certainly top 10.

The statement was made that A&M is a fringe top 25 program of all time. This might or might not be true depending on what angle you argue from, but it is certainly plausible.

You want to talk current? USC shits on A&M as a program both currently and historically and always will. If they go after Sumlin he is gone. If you would like to ELE bet on that I will gladly oblige you.

[DMX7]

Would Mack Brown take the USC job??? I kid... I kid...

[Sisk]

Stop deflecting, Fkla.

The statement was made that USC is a top 3 program of all time. This is probably not true, but they are certainly top 10.

The statement was made that A&M is a fringe top 25 program of all time. This might or might not be true depending on what angle you argue from, but it is certainly plausible.

You want to talk current? USC shits on A&M as a program both currently and historically and always will. If they go after Sumlin he is gone. If you would like to ELE bet on that I will gladly oblige you.

You can't answer a direct question yet I'm deflecting? If you want to rank schools, rank them. Don't pussy foot around the issue and list a bunch of schools for the hell of it.

[benefactor]

What the fuck does it matter what order they are in? The statement was made and I listed 24 programs that are arguably historically better than Aggie. Rank them yourself if you want it done your way.

[Sisk]

What the fuck does it matter what order they are in? The statement was made and I listed 24 programs that are arguably historically better than Aggie. Rank them yourself if you want it done your way.

Still avoiding my original question, but I'll answer it for you. Current state of a program >>> history of a program.

[benefactor]

Not if you are talking about USC. USC is a better destination right now, even in their current state. If don't understand why or can't see why then you are dumber than I thought you were.

[Sisk]

I'm not saying USC is a worse program. I'm saying Vito is an idiot and that Sumlin, if offered, would not immediately jump ship from TAMU.

[benefactor]

Care to ELE bet on that?

[Sisk]

There's no situation in which you have to leave in that bet.

[benefactor]

:lol...what?

[FkLA]

Damn, benefactor is stupid. His stupidity is only outshined by that Vito guy.

lol t-shirt fans

[Vito Corleone]

I love that you really believe that we are a "fringe" top 25 program.

Looks like I'm not the only one, it seems ESPN also considers you a fringe top 25 program

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=3849468

[JMarkJohns]

Save for a quirky person or holding out for a different offer (Texas), if an offer is made, it really wouldn't be a tough choice. USC is a private school not limited by state budget constraints, so money is not an issue. I get taking pride in your school. Just last week I had a twitter correspondence with SI's Andy Glockner that convinced him to place Arizona in his top-10 current basketball programs. I maintain Arizona Basketball is elite, albeit a second-tier elite program until Miller proves multiple FF and Title Successful, but also one that is on an upward trajectory with enough on-court, recruiting and NBA success the past 30 years to justify a possible top-5 ranking should things break right in the next decade or so..

But I'm not argue that Miller isn't going to accept an offer from North Carolina or Duke.

[Vito Corleone]

Still avoiding my original question, but I'll answer it for you. Current state of a program >>> history of a program.

If that were true why did Mack Brown leave UNC for Texas? Why did Lou Holtz leave Arkansas for Notre Dame? Why did Bear Bryant leave a$m for Alabama?

The same reason sumlin would aggsy for USC

[Vito Corleone]

I'm not saying USC is a worse program. I'm saying Vito is an idiot and that Sumlin, if offered, would not immediately jump ship from TAMU.

Here is my bet for you.

If sumlin gets an offer from USC and doesn't take it I leave, but if he leaves a&m for any other program college or NFL you leave

[Holden_Caulfield]

can kiffin swallow his pride and come be teddy's OC in jacksonville? :spin

[Sisk]

:lol...what?

Impossible to prove if USC made an offer and Sumlin rejected it. They don't go public with those sort of things. A&M offered Richt before Sumlin, so people say, but there's no real proof.


Here is my bet for you.

If sumlin gets an offer from USC and doesn't take it I leave, but if he leaves a&m for any other program college or NFL you leave

I think the only way he leaves is for the NFL, so no.

[benefactor]

Ok...we'll do it like this...if Sumlin leaves for USC, and USC only, you are gone from the CS forum for a year from hire date. If an unaffiliated source(mainstream outlet, i.e. Yahoo, SI, AP) reports that Sumlin did indeed reject an offer from USC then I am gone for a year.

Deal?

[benefactor]

Save for a quirky person or holding out for a different offer (Texas), if an offer is made, it really wouldn't be a tough choice. USC is a private school not limited by state budget constraints, so money is not an issue. I get taking pride in your school. Just last week I had a twitter correspondence with SI's Andy Glockner that convinced him to place Arizona in his top-10 current basketball programs. I maintain Arizona Basketball is elite, albeit a second-tier elite program until Miller proves multiple FF and Title Successful, but also one that is on an upward trajectory with enough on-court, recruiting and NBA success the past 30 years to justify a possible top-5 ranking should things break right in the next decade or so..

But I'm not argue that Miller isn't going to accept an offer from North Carolina or Duke.
:tu

Not sure what is so hard to understand about this. It's one of the biggest homer takes in history to say your coach is going to say no to USC.

[Sisk]

Deal.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I know he's a very mediocre coach, but he won 67% of their games. Very bad skid at the end, but damn. Not even allowing him on the bus? Tough break.

[JMarkJohns]

67% is a joke at a school like USC. Even with sanctions.

He inherited a near-elite college QB and while losing scholarships hurts depth, they still pulled strong talent. Allowing UCLA football to pass them in perceptual relevance, and the fact both Arizona and ASU beat them the last two years really shows how far they fell. We're talking, in a typical year, getting played over and over by the 5-7th best programs historically in the PAC-10/12. Finishing third/fourth in conference is unacceptable for USC. But finishing third/fourth in own conference division is like a sign of the end of times.

[Sisk]

Interesting info from a random poster on TexAgs:


-Isn't the USC job being overrated by the media who thinks they can just get anyone? Since 1925, every single coach they hired HAD PREVIOUS TIES to the Trojans, either coaching or playing. Only 2 exceptions: Larry Smith in '87 who came from Zona, a basketball school, and Pete Carroll - who was about their 5th choice after they'd been rejected by their first choices - a fired NFL coach who was desperate for a job and bored out of his mind writing columns for a website and charity work for the NFL when they hired him. None of their moves come close to what even we've been able to pull just in the last 30 years poaching Sherrill from Pitt and Fran from Bama.


Take it FWIW.

[Vito Corleone]

Interesting info from a random poster on TexAgs:



Take it FWIW.

Here is all that matters. When a coach takes a job he wants the chance to win. The better the chance the better the job. USC is one of the best and here is why.

1. USC holds the minds, hearts and souls of all the California kids, much like Texas does in Texas but the difference is that USC generally holds the hearts and minds of most of the top talent in the entire country. When USC is good they pretty much get their choice of anyone they want in the country. They own the state of California with every great player. No school recruits better than USC, period.

2. Pac 12 is a very winnable conference with enough strength to get them into a playoff spot without worry.

3. winning at a school like a$m will get you noticed, but winning at USC will make you a legend.

4. USC is the #1 football program in Los Angelos, they are Los Angelos they are hollywood.

5. No school has more NFL hall of fame players than USC, they are a pipeline to the NFL and high school kids know this.

When it's all said and done, kids want to party like a rock star and play for championships, at USC they literally get to do both.

Coaches know this and that is why they want to go there.

[FkLA]

Here is all that matters. When a coach takes a job he wants the chance to win. The better the chance the better the job. USC is one of the best and here is why.

1. USC holds the minds, hearts and souls of all the California kids, much like Texas does in Texas but the difference is that USC generally holds the hearts and minds of most of the top talent in the entire country. When USC is good they pretty much get their choice of anyone they want in the country. They own the state of California with every great player. No school recruits better than USC, period.

2. Pac 12 is a very winnable conference with enough strength to get them into a playoff spot without worry.

3. winning at a school like a$m will get you noticed, but winning at USC will make you a legend.

4. USC is the #1 football program in Los Angelos, they are Los Angelos they are hollywood.

5. No school has more NFL hall of fame players than USC, they are a pipeline to the NFL and high school kids know this.

When it's all said and done, kids want to party like a rock star and play for championships, at USC they literally get to do both.

Coaches know this and that is why they want to go there.

How many times are you going to post the same stuff ?

[JMarkJohns]

Hard to overrate facts. Good post, Vito.

[FkLA]

Hard to overrate facts. Good post, Vito.

All his posts in this thread are the exact same thing being repeated. I have no dog in this fight, and I would agree that USC is the more prestigious program. I do think the fact that hes already at A&M is being overlooked though, the guy has as much job security as almost any coach in the country. If he was still at Houston and being courted by both teams then yeah USC would be the easy choice but thats not the case. A&M has a good thing going and its not suddenly going to crumble once Johnny leaves. I wouldnt call it a given that he would bolt if USC offered tbh.

[Sisk]

Here is all that matters. When a coach takes a job he wants the chance to win. The better the chance the better the job. USC is one of the best and here is why.

1. USC holds the minds, hearts and souls of all the California kids, much like Texas does in Texas but the difference is that USC generally holds the hearts and minds of most of the top talent in the entire country. When USC is good they pretty much get their choice of anyone they want in the country. They own the state of California with every great player. No school recruits better than USC, period.

2. Pac 12 is a very winnable conference with enough strength to get them into a playoff spot without worry.

3. winning at a school like a$m will get you noticed, but winning at USC will make you a legend.

4. USC is the #1 football program in Los Angelos, they are Los Angelos they are hollywood.

5. No school has more NFL hall of fame players than USC, they are a pipeline to the NFL and high school kids know this.

When it's all said and done, kids want to party like a rock star and play for championships, at USC they literally get to do both.

Coaches know this and that is why they want to go there.

Did you address anything I posted?

[Vito Corleone]

Did you address anything I posted?

I did a few posts back when I posted all the coaches that left good programs for great ones. And I asked why?

This last post you quoted tells why a coach like Sumlin would entertain a school like USC.

Yes he has a good thing going at a&m, but he also knows what he can accomplish with the advantages USC offers

[Sisk]

I did a few posts back when I posted all the coaches that left good programs for great ones. And I asked why?

This last post you quoted tells why a coach like Sumlin would entertain a school like USC.

Yes he has a good thing going at a&m, but he also knows what he can accomplish with the advantages USC offers

Why did RC Slocum leave USC for the same position at A&M?

[Vito Corleone]

Why did RC Slocum leave USC for the same position at A&M?

I didn't know he was a head coach at USC?

Since he was an assistant with USC in 1981 and that was the last year Robinson was at USC I'd probably say it was to be gainfully employeed. You see after the 1981 season John Robinson left USC to coach the LA Rams.

The real question you should ask yourself is why would he be an assistant at a$m for 8 years under Emery Ballard and then up and leave to join John Robinson at USC? Probably because he knew what the rest of us know, that it was a step up and a stepping stone to a head coaching gig.

[Baseline]

USC has a great tradition, but with the SEC dominating the BCS titles for so many years, how can someone say that USC gets the best players? They don't. The SEC does. I do agree that it's easy to recruit players west of Texas to USC. LA sells itself. But it's rare for a top recruit from SEC territory to go to USC. Joe McKnight was a big recruit from Louisiana, and I remember being surprised that USC got him. But Pete Carroll had it going on when he was there.

[Vito Corleone]

USC has a great tradition, but with the SEC dominating the BCS titles for so many years, how can someone say that USC gets the best players? They don't. The SEC does. I do agree that it's easy to recruit players west of Texas to USC. LA sells itself. But it's rare for a top recruit from SEC territory to go to USC. Joe McKnight was a big recruit from Louisiana, and I remember being surprised that USC got him. But Pete Carroll had it going on when he was there.

I guess history began in 2006?

How many SEC championships happened before 2006? Not many. Looking at all the SEC champions, none have been anywhere close to the 2k5 horns or the 2k5 USC team, or for that matter 2k2 Miami.

The one thing that is common between all the titles the SEC has put together since 2006 was that most of the outside powers have been on a downward ride.

Miami, FSU, Michigan, Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, USC and Notre Dame are all on a downward cycle. ND has been down for 20 years and is only now beginning to come out. Oklahoma started theirs in 2k9 and Texas also started theirs right after 2k5. USC has been on one for a while.

But back to USC. Only a guy who doesn't know much about college football would think all the best players come from SEC country. take a close look at where the NFL talent comes from. The 3 biggest states are #1 California, 2 Texas and 3 Florida. No one has as much pull in their state as UT, but a very close second is USC in California. But not just California all over the US.

Just for giggles I will use the Rivals top 100

In 2010 USC signs 4 5-star players. 2 came from California, 1 from Georgia, and 1 from Illinois

2011 - they get only 1 5-star from California but 4 high 4-star top 100 guys from Kentucky, Ohio, New Jersey, and Arizona.

2012 - they sign 3 5-star guys, one from California, one from Florida, and one from Washington. They also signed a Rivals 100 4-star guy from Florida

2013 - 5 Rivals 5-star guys, 1 from Florida, 1 from California, 1 from Maryland, 1 from Washington, and 1 from Illinois. They also pulled in 2 other top 100 guys from Florida and Maryland.

I could go on, but truth is, it makes me sick to see how much talent they have there.

People here don't believe me when I say they are one of the top jobs in the country, but shit, no school, not even Texas gets the level of talent that USC brings in on a regular basis. The only thing holding that team back from blowing away all the competition is a coach with a functional brain.

[benefactor]

:lol...looks like I was damn close to punting you off this board, Sisk.


On Saturday it was announced that Kevin Sumlin had signed a six-year extension to remain the head football coach at Texas A&M for the foreseeable future, sending a clear signal that he wanted to stay in College Station for the long haul. But Rumors and Rants has learned exclusively from sources at USC that Sumlin had been lobbying hard for the vacant head coaching position at the school for the better part of two months.

As soon as Lane Kiffin was fired in late September, Sumlin’s representatives were contacted and told their client was on a list of potential candidates to be his replacement. Sumlin then sent word through back-channels that he wanted the job and his wife in particular was excited about the prospect of moving to Los Angeles.

For the two months leading up to this past week, Sumlin’s representatives were in near constant contact with USC, continually letting Haden’s people know that he wanted the job. He felt quarterback Johnny Manziel was set to jump to the NFL and he was not looking forward to a rebuild next season. He wanted a new challenge and thought the path to a national championship would be easier at USC.

As the season progressed and the people at USC started digging into Sumlin’s background, his coaching philosophy, etc., some began to sour on him as a top option. That’s not to say he wasn’t still a target, but he had fallen down a few notches in some eyes. His team’s 8-4 record and scoring defense (84th in the nation at 30.9 points per game) also worked against him. Still, they were intrigued because he was pushing so hard for the job.
http://network.yardbarker.com/college_football/article_external/exclusive_kevin_sumlin_lobbied_hard_for_usc_job/15199847?linksrc=story_home_module_head_15199847

:lol Aggies thinking Sumlin wouldn't bolt for USC if offered the position. Looks like everything everyone assumed was correct except for the fact that USC didn't really want his ass.:lol

[JMarkJohns]

So, did he really get outed for fucking Saben's daughter?

[pgardn]

So, did he really get outed for fucking Saben's daughter?

Where did you find out he has been fired or resigned or left Alabama?

[DMX7]

Where did you find out he has been fired or resigned or left USC?

You mean Alabama?

[pgardn]

You mean Alabama?

Yes indeed I do.
fix coming up.