Why is Cam Newton so underrated?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Why when the best "young" quarterbacks names come up, it's always Kaepernick, Wilson, RGIII, or Luck? I'm not saying that Newton should be put into the likes of the Manning brothers, Brady, or Brees. But I don't understand why he is being dismissed this early in his career. Especially after having a 2-14 team with no weapons outside of Steve Smith and brought them to a pretty decent team. They had no defense before this year.

None of the other quarterbacks have had that issue. The only reason the Colts sucked that year was because Peyton was injured. They still had that elite team around them. Their defense has always been mediocre. Kaepernick was on an elite team, and RGIII, while maybe not being on an elite team, had way more options than Newton.

Newton has put up good statistical stats, breaking a few rookie records (even though RG3 broke his rushing record last year). After two years of solid improvement, I really believe (non-bias aside) that he can be an elite quarterback.

I want some serious input, all trolling aside. I want to know what I'm missing here. Because I'm pretty sure he's had similar success to Luck through his first two years.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Andrew Luck has led a team to an 11-5 record. Cam Newton has yet to lead a team to a .500 record, so it's pretty retarded to say he's had similar success to Luck.

The "The only reason the Colts sucked" argument is especially retarded since Peyton was also gone in 2012. Luck took over a 2-14 team just like Newton did.

[Blake]

Cam's stats are nothing special. He's not a winner.

I'd say he's rated about right.

[Clipper Nation]

I assume his responses will be :cry "yeah, but at least Cam didn't cheat" :cry and :cry "lol Cowboys, your team sux" :cry respectively :lol

[Avante]

Newton has a career completion % of 58 something, his QB rating a weak 85.something.

That is not good.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Cam's stats are nothing special. He's not a winner.

I'd say he's rated about right.

What are you talking about? He got drafted because he's a winner. Their record has improved since they've gotten him.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Newton has a career completion % of 58 something, his QB rating a weak 85.something.

That is not good.

Again, put it into perspective of his team. Steve Smith was literally the only threat on their team. Yet he managed to bring them to 6-10.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:cheer 6-10 ecstasy :cheer

[Avante]

Again, put it into perspective of his team. Steve Smith was literally the only threat on their team. Yet he managed to bring them to 6-10.

I merely stated the facts.

[Clipper Nation]

:cheer 6-10 ecstasy :cheer

Don't forget his amazing 7-9 season last year :cry

http://i.imgur.com/hCZ4zuQ.png

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Don't forget his amazing 7-9 season last year :cry

http://i.imgur.com/hCZ4zuQ.png
:lol dem rafters in Carolina must be getting pretty crowded

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol dem rafters in Carolina must be getting pretty crowded

You'll see what happens when we play. Newton will pick your defense apart. Book it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You'll see what happens when we play. Newton will pick your defense apart. Book it.
...and the Patriots will still win, like most teams that play against Newton do.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol dem rafters in Carolina must be getting pretty crowded

Dude, stop. Please, stop. You're hurting my feelings. Nooo, what ever will I do now that a guy over the internet is dissing me. Whyyyy? Why must I have a clearly butthurt fan because his team will never win a superbowl again consistently hurt my feelings.

And his boyfriend :(. Why can't they just win a Super Bowl so they will stop bullying me :'(

:lmao you guys are such faggots

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Dude, stop. Please, stop. You're hurting my feelings. Nooo, what ever will I do now that a guy over the internet is dissing me. Whyyyy? Why must I have a clearly butthurt fan because his team will never win a superbowl again consistently hurt my feelings.

And his boyfriend :(. Why can't they just win a Super Bowl so they will stop bullying me :'(

:lmao you guys are such faggots
:lmao responding to my post a 2nd time with a meltdown

[Clipper Nation]

Dude, stop. Please, stop. You're hurting my feelings.

Clearly he is, since you responded to the same post twice with two different butthurt rants :lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

...and the Patriots will still win, like most teams that play against Newton do.

:lmao

no you won't.

do you really think your team is good because they beat a 1-2 falcons team? you do realize we average 33 ppg against them over the past two years. its nothing special, they have always been overrated.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Clearly he is, since you responded to the same post twice with two different butthurt rants :lol

why are you still posting when it comes to me anyway? i thought i got rid of you in the last thread. LOL

[Holden_Caulfield]

:lmao not sure if serious

[Clipper Nation]

you do realize we average 33 ppg against them over the past two years.

And yet you're 1-3 against the Falcons in that timeframe :lol

:cry "But... but... 33 points per game!" :cry

:cry "Make room for the 33 PPG moral victory banner in the rafters!" :cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao

no you won't.

do you really think your team is good because they beat a 1-2 falcons team? you do realize we average 33 ppg against them over the past two years. its nothing special, they have always been overrated.
I said the Patriots would beat Cam Newton's team. You don't have to be good to beat Cam Newton's team. Most teams do it, seeing that Cam Newton has lost most of the games he's played in.

:lmao fun of the Falcons for being 1-2 when the Panthers are 1-2

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmao not sure if serious

Look if you have something objective to say to argue my point, then go ahead. But, really, it doesn't disprove my point. At all.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

And yet you're 1-3 against the Falcons in that timeframe :lol

:cry "But... but... 33 points per game!" :cry

:cry "Make room for the 33 PPG moral victory banner in the rafters!" :cry

This thread is about Cam Newton - not their defense. Which is the reason that Atlanta threw not one, but two Hail Mary's to beat them last year. Cam had nothing to do with it. So really, like always, you are not proving shit.

[Holden_Caulfield]

Look if you have something objective to say to argue my point, then go ahead. But, really, it doesn't disprove my point. At all.
again. not sure if serious :rollin

[johnsmith]

Again, put it into perspective of his team. Steve Smith was literally the only threat on their team. Yet he managed to bring them to 6-10.

So you're saying that no one on the team besides Steve smith could out up any offensive numbers?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

again. not sure if serious :rollin

Don't worry buddy. We were in the position you were in two years ago. Looks like your high pick in the draft just ain't cuttin it, huh?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

So you're saying that no one on the team besides Steve smith could out up any offensive numbers?

When Cam Newton came into the system, yes. They haven't had a second receiver (for whatever reason) since Mushim Muhammad retired. DeAngelo and Jonathan have been on the decline, not to mention ever since we let go of Peppers our defense has been HORRIBLE (mostly due to injuries at linebacker).

[Holden_Caulfield]

Don't worry buddy. We were in the position you were in two years ago. Looks like your high pick in the draft just ain't cuttin it, huh?
thats why we are tanking, we know when to give up

[Clipper Nation]

This thread is about Cam Newton - not their defense. Which is the reason that Atlanta threw not one, but two Hail Mary's to beat them last year. Cam had nothing to do with it. So really, like always, you are not proving shit.
:lol Cam Newton
:lol Big stats in losses
:lol Moral victories

[Clipper Nation]

In one of those vaunted games against the Falcons, Cam threw for zero touchdowns and three picks :lol

:cry "But, but, it's the defense's fault! 33 points per game!" :cry

[johnsmith]

When Cam Newton came into the system, yes. They haven't had a second receiver (for whatever reason) since Mushim Muhammad retired. DeAngelo and Jonathan have been on the decline, not to mention ever since we let go of Peppers our defense has been HORRIBLE (mostly due to injuries at linebacker).

I'm just fucking with you because I think people use "literally" far too often.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol Big stats in losses


as long as you acknowledge it. because the losing won't be going on longer. if we, for whatever reason, don't make the playoffs. we will win the division next year.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

In one of those vaunted games against the Falcons, Cam threw for zero touchdowns and three picks :lol

:cry "But, but, it's the defense's fault! 33 points per game!" :cry

Yeah, and in the other he threw for 287 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT's. He also ran 9 times for 116 yards and a score.

The other one he threw for 215 yards, 2 more TD's, and ran for 86 yards, a score, on nine carries.

Nice nitpicking.

BTW, in that loss, how much did he rush for? JW.

[spurraider21]

Maybe its because the Panthers are 1-2 despite only allowing 12 points per game this year. Congrats on beating the worst team in the NFL outside of Jacksonville tbh

[Holden_Caulfield]

http://youtu.be/SAd2wkTe-Uo
whens he draft eligible :lmao

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

http://youtu.be/SAd2wkTe-Uo
whens he draft eligible :lmao

:lmao Blame Gabbert

funny commercial tho

[Pelicans78]

Why is Cam 1-2 when he has one of the best defenses in the league?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Why is Cam 1-2 when he has one of the best defenses in the league?

The same defense that blow a play with :02 left against the BILLS to allow a touchdown pass.

They're good this year, but they still blew it.

[Pelicans78]

The same defense that blow a play with :02 left against the BILLS to allow a touchdown pass.

They're good this year, but they still blew it.

And Cam only scored 7 points at home in the first loss.

Look at last season. Carolina was 10th in the NFC in points allowed and 13th in points scored. Not great either way, but the defense outplayed the offense last season.

[benefactor]

I'd rather keep Schaub.

[21209]

He's not a smart QB. He makes just enough mistakes to lose games that were winnable.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

And Cam only scored 7 points at home in the first loss.

Look at last season. Carolina was 10th in the NFC in points allowed and 13th in points scored. Not great either way, but the defense outplayed the offense last season.

That stat is incredibly misleading.

[jeebus]

I agree with everything no life faggot said in this thread. everyone else is fucking retarded.

[KoolAid Mans Brother]

Cam Newton dominated in college because he was the most athletic player on the field. The NFL is a different animal though. Athleticism will get you some impressive Sportscenter highlights and inflated statistics in the NFL, but brains at the QB position is paramount. This is where Cam Newton is lacking. He doesn't know how to win close games. I've never seen a QB make so many poor decisions when it mattered the most. Cam Newton's ceiling is .500 football. He is smoke and mirrors. He will never win a championship.

[Blake]

Op copied and pasted arguments from Vince nut huggers circa 2010.

[spurraider21]

I agree with everything no life faggot said in this thread. everyone else is fucking retarded.
:lol

[chunticakes]

lol @ op defending this emo faggot monkeyballer of a qb. tbqmfh i'd rather have brian hoyer.

[Nathan89]

They still had that elite team around them. Their defense has always been mediocre.

How is the team "elite" if half the team has always been mediocre?

[Holden_Caulfield]

How is the team "elite" if half the team has always been mediocre?
i think he means like how flacco thinks hes elite :lmao

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

How is the team "elite" if half the team has always been mediocre?

Uh, their offense? Are you serious? Or did you just not watch Indy?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

i think he means like how flacco thinks hes elite :lmao
You of all people should know how good Indy was and the only reason the Colts were 2-14 were because they didn't have Peyton.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

lol @ op defending this emo faggot monkeyballer of a qb. tbqmfh i'd rather have brian hoyer.

LOL he may get you more postseason wins than Romo

:lmao

[Bill_Brasky]

:lmao the way they lost to the Bills was so fucking pathetic. the Panthers fuckin blow.

[Clipper Nation]

LOL he may get you more postseason wins than Romo

:lmao
Except even R:lolm:lolch:lolke has won a playoff game whereas Cam has never even been to the playoffs :lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Except even R:lolm:lolch:lolke has won a playoff game whereas Cam has never even been to the playoffs :lol

Yeah. One more. In playing how many more years than Cam? Good one.

[Pelicans78]

Yeah. One more. In playing how many more years than Cam? Good one.

Cam has a good enough team around him this season to make the playoffs. If they don't, it's on him.

[chunticakes]

i'd still rather have romo.

[JoeTait75]

In fantasy he's gold (or at least silver.)

In real life so far he's like what Bill Walsh used to say about Steve DeBerg: just good enough to get you beat.

[AaronY]

Such is life in spurstalk

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao No Lyfe Faggot
:lmao Scam Newton
:lmao "New Dan Marino"
:lmao 3 picks
:lmao Fumble
:lmao Safety
:lmao His offense only managing six points against ARIZONA
:lmao Pouting by himself on the sideline in the clutch
:lmao "Consistently improving record"
:lmao 1-3
:lmao Panthers

[Pelicans78]

If the Panthers had a legitimate QB, they would easily be a playoff team.

[Raven]

it was an impressive performance, he had like an hour to throw on every snap and yet he managed 0td, 3int, 1 fumble and got sacked 7 times for huge losses. the interceptions were all horrible, mostly in the red zone and both the fumble and one interception were almost returned for a pick six. indeed underrated.

[HarlemHeat37]

it was an impressive performance, he had like an hour to throw on every snap and yet he managed 0td, 3int, 1 fumble and got sacked 7 times for huge losses. the interceptions were all horrible, mostly in the red zone and both the fumble and one interception were almost returned for a pick six. indeed underrated.

:lol, tbh..

[weebo]

Is there a difference between Blaine Gabbert and Cam Newton besides skin color?

[Chief Brody]

Is there a difference between Blaine Gabbert and Cam Newton besides skin color?
:loleasy there...Newton sucks but nobody compares to Blaine

[Holden_Caulfield]

:lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I was going to wait for Newton to get a shot at MVP before bumping this, but reading the comments I can't help myself..

hopefully this his doesnt jinx the squad.

a lot of crow to go around. Let's see who's man enough to admit it

[Brazil]

He is playing well tbh

props to OP to stick to his dude

[Avante]

As of right now he would be the MVP for 2015, he's having a great season. Anyone still down on this guy don't get the game, he's doing everything a great QB does. Now it's about can he be consistant from here on out.

Just imagine if Benjamin had been there.

I get the fact ya don't have to be a mobile QB (Brady. Manning etc) but having played defense it sure is a lot harder to defend a mobile QB, just one more weapon to worry about.

There is no logical reason to not see the Panthers making a SB appearence this season. Could they beat a NE team with all that SB experience, probably not. But they could beat any other AFC team.

But.....up until this season Cam Newton was just a so so QB, that is a fact and his stats/wins prove that.

This...I lke a team/player....is what rookies play, ya go with how things really are. My Niners totally sucking right now.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Rodgers just shot up like 5 places in the MVP rankings after last night lol

[SuperCam]

CN getting exposed as a giant faggot per par :lol

[Avante]

CN getting exposed as a giant faggot per par :lol

CN is about as stupid as it gets, a 100% idiot as we all can see.

I once bet a game ATS, I layed 7, well the game ended up 27-20, here comes the freak...YOU LOST YIPPEEEE....ha~~~~~ Fucker too dumb to know that is a push/tie.

CN is an idiot.