GOP really, really want's something...

[Nbadan]

Give them a few months and maybe they'll figure it out....


“We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

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Full article here: http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-stands-firm-against-funding-bill-will-link-to-debt-ceiling-fight/article/2536750

i wonder what it could be?

[boutons_deux]

Exactly, the Repugs and tea baggers have screwed themselves before the entire world, and now they need to "accomplish" something, no matter what, to justify screwing themselves, but above all, to save their bogus manly, wannabe-macho faces, esp against the n!gg@ and before their white, old, rural, low-information, low-education, low-salary base.

Now they want, faking their "human face", clinical trials for cancer kids (which have almost no chance of succeeding, and much more likely to cause the kids life-long disabilities and diseases).

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think the President should call there bluff and remove the exemptions... let the GOP deal with the aftermath. Can you imagine the businesses who got the exemptions removed? They would look at the GOP and go "wtf?"

[101A]

I think the President should call there bluff and remove the exemptions... let the GOP deal with the aftermath. Can you imagine the businesses who got the exemptions removed? They would look at the GOP and go "wtf?"

You think? Really? Those exemptions were bought and paid for fair and square...the money's already been spent. No refunds.

[Th'Pusher]

You think? Really? Those exemptions were bought and paid for fair and square...the money's already been spent. No refunds.

Bought and paid for? Every single business with more that 50 employees bought and paid for a one year extension? More like, we'll do this after the 2014 elections...

[boutons_deux]

I'd give the anarchists the 2.3% medical device tax (which both parties have already voted against), and let them parade away beating their man-boobs proclaiming they beat the hated US govt.

Barry and Harry made it very clear Wed night at the WH that ACA is UN FUCKING TOUCHABLE.

[Th'Pusher]

I'd give the anarchists the 2.3% medical device tax (which both parties have already voted against), and let them parade away beating their man-boobs proclaiming they beat the hated US govt.

Barry and Harry made it very clear Wed night at the WH that ACA is UN FUCKING TOUCHABLE.
Yeah. It looks like a repeal of the medical device tax may be the avenue for the republicans to save face.

[EVAY]

Yeah. It looks like a repeal of the medical device tax may be the avenue for the republicans to save face.

But my trouble with removing the device tax is that the thing becomes more and more of a financial burden on the country the more things like that you take away. I suspect it will happen, but then the republicans will be screaming about 'see how expensive this is...it is costing the treasury more and more money all the time'. And if you try to replace the lost revenues from this tax with something else, the cry will be 'see how Obama is raising taxes to pay for this health care?'.....etc. etc.

Part of the Republican plan is to incrementally remove the funding that is built into the bill and then scream about the high cost to the Treasury.

And it seems to be working pretty well so far.

[boutons_deux]

MDT, not a huge number in the $3T health cost

"AdvaMed, the DC-based trade association for the medical device industry, in July announced that U.S. companies had paid $1 billion because of the tax, which is projected by Congress to bring in $1.7 billion in revenue during 2013 and $30 billion over 10 years."

http://articles.mcall.com/2013-08-19/news/mc-pa-medical-device-tax-impact-20130815_1_obamacare-tax-advamed-new-sales-tax

[boutons_deux]

Dems already gave on the bill sent back the House all the Repugs wanted on the budget, -$70B.

[Nbadan]

http://media.cagle.com/20/2013/10/03/138375_600.jpg

[boutons_deux]

We know for a fact that the votes exist in the House to reopen the government with a clean appropriation, funded at Republican spending levels, absent any Obamacare concessions. It’s not reopening because some Republicans don’t want to reopen it until they get some Obamacare concessions, and John Boehner thinks he might lose his speakership if he doesn’t satisfy their demands.

Republicans say shutting down the government is really bad. But they won’t reopen it unless they get some kind of Obamacare scalp from President Obama. So as bad as a shutdown is, it’s worse than the alternative of not shutting down services, furloughing hundreds of thousands of people, but not getting a unilateral concession, even a trivial one, from Obama.

Faced with this logic, conservatives counter that Obama’s unwillingness to “negotiate” — i.e., discuss the amount of cash he’s wiling to hand over — makes him just as craven and reckless. If default is so terrible, wouldn’t it be preferable to let Republicans take a whack at his healthcare law in order to avoid it.

The whole point of Obama’s refusal to negotiate is that what Republicans are actually demanding is to fundamentally alter the power balance between the legislative and executive branches of government. If Obama caves and offers concessions to Republicans in exchange for a debt limit increase, it will clearly weaken the presidency. By contrast, if Republicans “cave” and increase the debt limit cleanly, Congress will lose none of its fundamental power.

Moreover, senior administration officials are confident that if Obama establishes the precedent that the president should yield concessions to the opposition on a threat of default, eventually the opposition will demand something so impossible that a default will happen anyhow. Taking a hard line now is the only way to prevent that.

This is why the term “extortion” is appropriate. If Obama were to veto debt limit increases until Congress appended a tax increase and a universal gun background check rider, he’d be guilty of the same. But to the frustration of some liberals he’s not. And in this case it’s not because he’s weak or a bad negotiator.

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/04/yes_republicans_are_using_extortion_theres_no_sens e_in_denying_it/?source=newsletter

[Wild Cobra]

We know for a fact that the votes exist in the House to reopen the government with a clean appropriation, funded at Republican spending levels, absent any Obamacare concessions. It’s not reopening because some Republicans don’t want to reopen it until they get some Obamacare concessions, and John Boehner thinks he might lose his speakership if he doesn’t satisfy their demands.

Same goes with passing the bill in the senate that doesn't fund Obummercare. Shouldn't gRied bring that to a vote?

[ChumpDumper]

Republicans are already twisting in the wind.

Why did they think it would work this time?

Are they going to try impeachment again next?

[boutons_deux]

Boehner Doubles Down, Threatens Default

STEPHANOPOULOS: How is this going to end? You're clearly not budging right now, even though you are taking -- even though polls show that most Americans blame Republicans for the shutdown right now. How long is it going to go on? Is the government going to stay shut down until we reach the debt limit deadline of October 17th?

BOEHNER: Listen, the debt limit is right around the corner. The president is saying, I won't negotiate. I won't have a conversation. Even though, President Reagan negotiated with Democrats who controlled the Congress back then. Even though President George Herbert Walker Bush had a conversation about raising the debt limit. During the Clinton administration, there were three fights over the debt limit. You and I participated in several of those. And even President Obama himself in 2011, went through a negotiation.

Now, he's saying no. I'm not going to do this.

I'm going to tell you what, George. The nation's credit is at risk because of the administration's refusal to sit down and have a conversation.

STEPHANOPOULOS: They're saying it's at risk because of your refusal to pass a clean debt limit. There have been some reports--

BOEHNER: We're not going to pass a clean debt limit increase.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Under no circumstances?

BOEHNER: I told the president, there's no way we're going to pass one. The votes are not in the House to pass a clean debt limit. And the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So under no circumstances will you pass a clean debt limit?

BOEHNER: We're not going down that path. It is time to deal with America's problems. How can you raise the debt limit and do nothing about the underlying problem?
George, we've spent more than what we've brought in for 55 of the last 60 years. This year, the federal government will have more revenue than any year in the history of our country, and yet we're still going to have a nearly $700 billion budget deficit. We're squandering the future for our kids and our grandkids, by not dealing with this problem.

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/week-transcript-house-speaker-john-boehner/story?id=20476180&singlePage=true