Word On The Street Is That Kobe Will Have His Achilles and Knee Injected In Germany

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol dude should be good as new...I'm gonna be laughin all da way to da bank if he rangs again.....nothing illegal about it...he's playing by the rules....this is nothing more than a blood transfusion....I was hoping he got that Achilles injected :lol

[lefty]

MJ didnt need that




Because he is an ALPHA MALE !!!!

[Koolaid_Man]

MJ didnt need that




Baecause he is an ALPHA MALE !!!!

MJ was never asked to carry the load Kobe is asked to carry....for example unlike Kobe...MJ was never asked to play PG and facilitate an offense...all Phil asked him to do was play SG..and he did that exceptionally well...MJ was never asked to defend the opposing teams best player...Pippen did that for him..and then Rodman....MJ was never asked to be player / coach...MJ never had to share the ball....so therefore MJ had it much easier than Kobe....meaning he didn't need the surgery....

[AchillesHeel]

Kirby's just getting his yearly knee treatment, has 0 to do with his achilles.

Remember, prior to The Achilles, Kirby already went down twice, he banged knees with Barnes and he was limping the whole time after that and his knee gave in once, too.

[Arnold Toht]

I'm hoping at least one of his ring fingers can fit 5.

[lefty]

MJ was never asked to carry the load Kobe is asked to carry....for example unlike Kobe...MJ was never asked to play PG and facilitate an offense...all Phil asked him to do was play SG..and he did that exceptionally well...MJ was never asked to defend the opposing teams best player...Pippen did that for him..and then Rodman....MJ was never asked to be player / coach...MJ never had to share the ball....so therefore MJ had it much easier than Kobe....meaning he didn't need the surgery....
:lmao you dumbfuck

MJ had less talent around him during his whole career

And MJ did play a FULL season as a PG, unlike Kobeta for a few games



GTFO you noob :lmao

[spurraider21]

:lmao you dumbfuck

MJ had less talent around him during his whole career

And MJ did play a FULL season as a PG, unlike Kobeta for a few games



GTFO you noob :lmao
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[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmao you dumbfuck

MJ had less talent around him during his whole career

And MJ did play a FULL season as a PG, unlike Kobeta for a few games



GTFO you noob :lmao

Ehh... Pippen and Rodman are pretty fuckin good man. And Ron Harper was a good ass defender too.

[lefty]

Ehh... Pippen and Rodman are pretty fuckin good man. And Ron Harper was a good ass defender too.
Yes Rodman was Prime Shaq with a little Gasol sprinkled on, and Harper was Nash with Payton's swagger

[elmanutres]

kobes repaired knees should make the Lakers good enough to be swept again...or lottery.

[HI-FI]

lefty just shitting on niggas.

[AchillesHeel]

:lmao you dumbfuck

MJ had less talent around him during his whole career

And MJ did play a FULL season as a PG, unlike Kobeta for a few games



GTFO you noob :lmao

Even funnier, MJ played PG in 1989, averaged 32.5 ppg 8 rpg 8 apg on 53,8% shooting, lol Kirby stans

[Sean Cagney]

Even funnier, MJ played PG in 1989, averaged 32.5 ppg 8 rpg 8 apg on 53,8% shooting, lol Kirby stans
HELL YEAH! FACTS.

[ambchang]

MJ was never asked to carry the load Kobe is asked to carry....for example unlike Kobe...MJ was never asked to play PG and facilitate an offense...all Phil asked him to do was play SG..and he did that exceptionally well...MJ was never asked to defend the opposing teams best player...Pippen did that for him..and then Rodman....MJ was never asked to be player / coach...MJ never had to share the ball....so therefore MJ had it much easier than Kobe....meaning he didn't need the surgery....
Jordan ran off a string of triple doubles playing PG.

Jordan ran the entire Bulls offense at times be sude his PG was BJ Armstrong

Jordan guarded isiah Thomas.

Kobe coached himself to snap his Achilles. (Seriously, when did he coach).

Gm Kobe demanded a Bynum trade which thankfully for him didn't work out.

[Koolaid_Man]

Jordan ran off a string of triple doubles playing PG.

Jordan ran the entire Bulls offense at times be sude his PG was BJ Armstrong

Jordan guarded isiah Thomas.

Kobe coached himself to snap his Achilles. (Seriously, when did he coach).

Gm Kobe demanded a Bynum trade which thankfully for him didn't work out.

:lol@a string a triple doubles..as I said MJ was never asked to facilitate his teams offense like Kobe was...MJ was never asked to essentially play PG (perhaps he played it for a stretch but he was never asked to consistently throughout 95% of his career play the point (i.e bring the ball up) and orchestrate the offense..all he had to do was get to his sweet spot and play the wing...Kobe's been asked to do it all....feed all of the bigs, cover for the PG's on defense, defend the other teams best player, and lead the team in scoring...

You morons cannot make the Shaq / Pippen comparison because of one thing....Shaq played Center.. Pippen played Point Foward and Shooting Guard so he covered for MJ all the time...he guarded MJ's man when MJ started getting torched on a nightly basis....and if Pippen was off they then asked Rodman to cover MJ's man....Because Dennis could guard all 5 positions. all MJ was asked to do for 90% of his career was shoot the dam ball...

[ambchang]

:lol@a string a triple doubles..as I said MJ was never asked to facilitate his teams offense like Kobe was...MJ was never asked to essentially play PG (perhaps he played it for a stretch but he was never asked to consistently throughout 95% of his career play the point (i.e bring the ball up) and orchestrate the offense..all he had to do was get to his sweet spot and play the wing...Kobe's been asked to do it all....feed all of the bigs, cover for the PG's on defense, defend the other teams best player, and lead the team in scoring...

You morons cannot make the Shaq / Pippen comparison because of one thing....Shaq played Center.. Pippen played Point Foward and Shooting Guard so he covered for MJ all the time...he guarded MJ's man when MJ started getting torched on a nightly basis....and if Pippen was off they then asked Rodman to cover MJ's man....Because Dennis could guard all 5 positions. all MJ was asked to do for 90% of his career was shoot the dam ball...

:lol, Jordan played an entire YEAR of PG in 88. Where were you back then?

And Kobe was asked to consistently play PG for 95% of his career? You do realize PG is more than bring the ball up, right? PG is supposed to be there to facilitate the offense, right? If Kobe is playing PG while Jordan wasn't, why did Jordan average more assists than Kobe? Kobe doing something full time isn't even as good as Jordan doing something part time! :lol

And Kobe has been horrible at feeding the post. How many times have Shaq complained about it? And Kobe covered PGs on defense 95% of the time? Is it why Mike Bibby, Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson and every single PG went apeshit on the Lakers? The Lakers made more for PGs than any other team. You a PG on a contract year? You better PRAY that you draw the Lakers in the playoffs, because you are guaranteed to land a bigger contract than you deserve.

LOL on Jordan getting torched on a nightly basis. Jordan getting DPoY, Kobe never did. :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

:LOL, Jordan played an entire YEAR of PG in 88. Where were you back then?

And Kobe was asked to consistently play PG for 95% of his career? You do realize PG is more than bring the ball up, right? PG is supposed to be there to facilitate the offense, right? If Kobe is playing PG while Jordan wasn't, why did Jordan average more assists than Kobe? Kobe doing something full time isn't even as good as Jordan doing something part time! :lol

And Kobe has been horrible at feeding the post. How many times have Shaq complained about it? And Kobe covered PGs on defense 95% of the time? Is it why Mike Bibby, Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson and every single PG went apeshit on the Lakers? The Lakers made more for PGs than any other team. You a PG on a contract year? You better PRAY that you draw the Lakers in the playoffs, because you are guaranteed to land a bigger contract than you deserve.

LOL on Jordan getting torched on a nightly basis. Jordan getting DPoY, Kobe never did. :lol


you're wrong on all accounts and defeating your own logic....as I stated in one of my OP's...Kobe was asked to let me spell it out for you "FACILITATE" the offense for 95+ % of his career. Sure Fisher was there but he was instructed to give the ball to Kobe and then run to his triangle spot on the floor...MJ averaged more assists you DUMB-ASS :lol because he had far superior shooters....Craig Hodges, Toni Kukoc, John Paxon, Steve Kerr....all bulls eye shooters....name me a Laker teammate of Kobe that was a better shooter than those guys :lol these are the guys MJ at some point in time had to pass to...:lol - so I just shat on your argument there...let's move on to the others...

Just because Shaq complained about not getting the ball doesn't mean he wasn't getting the ball DUMB-ASS...when Shaq complained the most is actually when Kobe passed the most...the fact is Kobe created his own legacy by forcing Shaq to share the ball....and what Kobe did was nothing short of remarkable...coming into the league and challenging the biggest personality in the game and basically taking over his team and his town...no one else could have done it...no one else could have played with such a dominant force as Shaq and made up give up the ball....

Your next bull shit ass point was that PG's had a field day on the Lakers....guess what it's because back to my original point - Kobe was asked to do it all...we lacked quality defensive PG's and so had to defend his man and Mike Bibby, Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson great players in their own right...plus he was asked to lead in scoring...how are you gonna defend your man, the PG's man, and lead in scoring without getting tired...

and yes MJ got torched all the the time...he had Rodman and Pippen to cover his man for him...because they easily could...Shaq couldn't cover Kobe's man when Kobe was getting torched..MJ had all kind of cover to make him look good...getting a DPOY as a SG for MJ was a joke everyone knows Pippen was the defensive specilaist and then Rodman...the media gave all of Pippens defensive accomplishments to MJ just to prop him up...it's why MJ and Pip aren't close to this day...

You lose when debating amb...you're just not good enough...just like

5>4..close but no cigar :hat

[ambchang]

you're wrong on all accounts and defeating your own logic....as I stated in one of my OP's...Kobe was asked to let me spell it out for you "FACILITATE" the offense for 95+ % of his career. Sure Fisher was there but he was instructed to give the ball to Kobe and then run to his triangle spot on the floor...MJ averaged more assists you DUMB-ASS :lol because he had far superior shooters....Craig Hodges, Toni Kukoc, John Paxon, Steve Kerr....all bulls eye shooters....name me a Laker teammate of Kobe that was a better shooter than those guys :lol these are the guys MJ at some point in time had to pass to...:lol - so I just shat on your argument there...let's move on to the others...

LOL, Kobe was there to facilitate the offense full time, and Jordan was there to facilitate the offense part time, so let us see how they did.

The top 10 offensive ratings of Kobe Bryant, which, according to KM, was facilitated by Bryant, vs. those of Jordan, who was merely doing it on a part time basis. For those who have trouble understanding stats, which based on observation seems to be all Kobestans, this is the points per 100 possessions scored when a said player was on the floor. So if Bryant was there to facilitate the offense, and he is such a great offensive genius, logic will have it that the Lakers will score a hell lot of points with him on the floor ..... Let's fire away.

KB - 115, 115, 115, 114, 112, 112, 112, 112, 111, 111 - Career average, 112
MJ - 125, 124, 123, 123, 123, 121, 121, 119, 118, 117 - Career average, 118

Keep in mind, these are points per 100 possessions, so pace doesn't affect the numbers. And before you go, :cry Kobe played in an era with more sophisticated offense :cry. The three seasons where Kobe had a 115 Ortg, the league average was 106.5, 107.5 and 108.3, or in other words, Kobe was 8%, 7%, and 6.3% better than league average.

In Jordan's three best seasons? The league average was 107.9, 107.6, and 108. Which means that Jordan was 15.8%, 15.2% and 13.9% better than average. In fact, excluding Jordan's Wizard and partial years (2nd year where he broke his foot and the comeback year), Jordan's three WORST years gave him Ortgs of 118, 117 and 114, while the league average was 107.9, 108.3, and 105, respectively. That means Jordan was 9.4%, 8.0%, 8.6% above league average.

Jordan's WORST year was equivalent to Kobe's BEST year, taking competition into account, while, according to KM, Kobe was facilitating 95% while Jordan was doing it part time! :lol. Jordan doing something part time in his WORST year = Kobe doing something full time in his BEST year. Hilarious!

Craig Hodges, Toni Kukoc, John Paxson, Steve Kerr are better supporting casts than a dominant front court because they can shoot! KM will take a 7 ppg 3 point shooter as compared to the most dominant player in his generation average 44 ppg in the finals! :lol this is comedy gold. Speaking of shooters, guess which team made more three pointersy? The 97 Bulls (Jordan's most dominant team playing in a non-shortened three point line), or the 09 Lakers (the weakest of the 5 LA championship teams)? You got that right, the Lakers did.


Just because Shaq complained about not getting the ball doesn't mean he wasn't getting the ball DUMB-ASS...when Shaq complained the most is actually when Kobe passed the most...the fact is Kobe created his own legacy by forcing Shaq to share the ball....and what Kobe did was nothing short of remarkable...coming into the league and challenging the biggest personality in the game and basically taking over his team and his town...no one else could have done it...no one else could have played with such a dominant force as Shaq and made up give up the ball....

Is that why Kobe had more FGAs than Shaq despite Shaq shooting a way higher % and the centre of the offense? Is that why Kobe had a career average of 4.8 apg, with a career high of 6 apg when he had seasons of Shaq, MVPau, and Bynum in the middle, while Jordan had a career average of 5.3 apg with a career high of 8.0 while he had incredible inside scorers like Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman, Bill Cartwright, Bill Wennington, Will Perdue, Dave Corzine, and Cliff Levingston to pass to on a PART-TIME basis?


Your next bull shit ass point was that PG's had a field day on the Lakers....guess what it's because back to my original point - Kobe was asked to do it all...we lacked quality defensive PG's and so had to defend his man and Mike Bibby, Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson great players in their own right...plus he was asked to lead in scoring...how are you gonna defend your man, the PG's man, and lead in scoring without getting tired...

And he didn't do a good job at it. Jordan defended Isiah Thomas and/or Joe Dumars, Magic and/or Byron Scott, Drexler and/or Terry Porter, Kevin Johnson and/or Dan Marjele, Stockton and/or Hornacek, are you now trying to tell me Pippen guarded both players at the same time, or are you trying to say that BJ Armstrong was a lock down defender?
Your defense of Kobe was that he did everything worse, despite doing it full-time as compared to Jordan who was doing it part-time, but he did everything, so he was better? What the hell kind of logic is that? Let's give an A to Kobe for effort despite him sucking at his job. WTF is this? Kindergarten's everybody get an award day?


and yes MJ got torched all the the time...he had Rodman and Pippen to cover his man for him...because they easily could...Shaq couldn't cover Kobe's man when Kobe was getting torched..MJ had all kind of cover to make him look good...getting a DPOY as a SG for MJ was a joke everyone knows Pippen was the defensive specilaist and then Rodman...the media gave all of Pippens defensive accomplishments to MJ just to prop him up...it's why MJ and Pip aren't close to this day...

LOL, Rick Fox was brought it strictly as someone to stop perimeter players while Kobe was floating.

Let's look at player's DRtg, similar to the ORtg exercise above, but this time, the lower the number the better.

KB - 98, 102, 103, 103, 104, 104, 105, 105, 105, 105 - Career Average 105
MJ - 100, 100, 101, 102, 102, 102, 102, 102, 103, 103, 103 - Career Average 103

Best three seasons for Kobe, the league average was 104.1, 102.9 and 104.5, which means that Kobe was 5.9%, :lol.9% and 1.4% better than average.
Jordan? The league average was 107.6, 105, and 108. Which means that MJ was 7.1%, 4.8%, and 6.5% better than average. Again, taking Jordan's three worst non-Wizard full seasons, he had DRTG of 104, 106 and 107 vs. a league average of 108.3, 108.1 and 107.9. Which means that in the three WORST seasons of Jordan, he was 4%, 1.9%, and 0.8% better than average, numbers that are comparable to Kobe's BEST seasons. :lol at defensive playing ability of Kobe.


You lose when debating amb...you're just not good enough...just like

5>4..close but no cigar :hat

:lol, getting annihilated and pulling hyperbolas.

[skut_farkus]

How many aborted baby fetuses will it take him this time?

[TDMVPDPOY]

word on ST, he break his achilles first game he returns back

[Koolaid_Man]

LOL, Kobe was there to facilitate the offense full time, and Jordan was there to facilitate the offense part time, so let us see how they did.

The top 10 offensive ratings of Kobe Bryant, which, according to KM, was facilitated by Bryant, vs. those of Jordan, who was merely doing it on a part time basis. For those who have trouble understanding stats, which based on observation seems to be all Kobestans, this is the points per 100 possessions scored when a said player was on the floor. So if Bryant was there to facilitate the offense, and he is such a great offensive genius, logic will have it that the Lakers will score a hell lot of points with him on the floor ..... Let's fire away.

KB - 115, 115, 115, 114, 112, 112, 112, 112, 111, 111 - Career average, 112
MJ - 125, 124, 123, 123, 123, 121, 121, 119, 118, 117 - Career average, 118

Keep in mind, these are points per 100 possessions, so pace doesn't affect the numbers. And before you go, :cry Kobe played in an era with more sophisticated offense :cry. The three seasons where Kobe had a 115 Ortg, the league average was 106.5, 107.5 and 108.3, or in other words, Kobe was 8%, 7%, and 6.3% better than league average.

In Jordan's three best seasons? The league average was 107.9, 107.6, and 108. Which means that Jordan was 15.8%, 15.2% and 13.9% better than average. In fact, excluding Jordan's Wizard and partial years (2nd year where he broke his foot and the comeback year), Jordan's three WORST years gave him Ortgs of 118, 117 and 114, while the league average was 107.9, 108.3, and 105, respectively. That means Jordan was 9.4%, 8.0%, 8.6% above league average.

Jordan's WORST year was equivalent to Kobe's BEST year, taking competition into account, while, according to KM, Kobe was facilitating 95% while Jordan was doing it part time! :lol. Jordan doing something part time in his WORST year = Kobe doing something full time in his BEST year. Hilarious!

Craig Hodges, Toni Kukoc, John Paxson, Steve Kerr are better supporting casts than a dominant front court because they can shoot! KM will take a 7 ppg 3 point shooter as compared to the most dominant player in his generation average 44 ppg in the finals! :lol this is comedy gold. Speaking of shooters, guess which team made more three pointersy? The 97 Bulls (Jordan's most dominant team playing in a non-shortened three point line), or the 09 Lakers (the weakest of the 5 LA championship teams)? You got that right, the Lakers did.



Is that why Kobe had more FGAs than Shaq despite Shaq shooting a way higher % and the centre of the offense? Is that why Kobe had a career average of 4.8 apg, with a career high of 6 apg when he had seasons of Shaq, MVPau, and Bynum in the middle, while Jordan had a career average of 5.3 apg with a career high of 8.0 while he had incredible inside scorers like Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman, Bill Cartwright, Bill Wennington, Will Perdue, Dave Corzine, and Cliff Levingston to pass to on a PART-TIME basis?



And he didn't do a good job at it. Jordan defended Isiah Thomas and/or Joe Dumars, Magic and/or Byron Scott, Drexler and/or Terry Porter, Kevin Johnson and/or Dan Marjele, Stockton and/or Hornacek, are you now trying to tell me Pippen guarded both players at the same time, or are you trying to say that BJ Armstrong was a lock down defender?
Your defense of Kobe was that he did everything worse, despite doing it full-time as compared to Jordan who was doing it part-time, but he did everything, so he was better? What the hell kind of logic is that? Let's give an A to Kobe for effort despite him sucking at his job. WTF is this? Kindergarten's everybody get an award day?



LOL, Rick Fox was brought it strictly as someone to stop perimeter players while Kobe was floating.

Let's look at player's DRtg, similar to the ORtg exercise above, but this time, the lower the number the better.

KB - 98, 102, 103, 103, 104, 104, 105, 105, 105, 105 - Career Average 105
MJ - 100, 100, 101, 102, 102, 102, 102, 102, 103, 103, 103 - Career Average 103

Best three seasons for Kobe, the league average was 104.1, 102.9 and 104.5, which means that Kobe was 5.9%, :lol.9% and 1.4% better than average.
Jordan? The league average was 107.6, 105, and 108. Which means that MJ was 7.1%, 4.8%, and 6.5% better than average. Again, taking Jordan's three worst non-Wizard full seasons, he had DRTG of 104, 106 and 107 vs. a league average of 108.3, 108.1 and 107.9. Which means that in the three WORST seasons of Jordan, he was 4%, 1.9%, and 0.8% better than average, numbers that are comparable to Kobe's BEST seasons. :lol at defensive playing ability of Kobe.



:lol, getting annihilated and pulling hyperbolas.


that shit is too lengthy to read from someone who's not accredited...but I skimmed it and that's good enough...let me say your whole premise is a fallacy...you have not proved that MJ facilitated the offense....what you showed was the was personally efficient... :lol...this isn't about best season's for each player...it's about who had the tougher job based on what was required of them...and based on the talent around them...MJ had better shooters around him and even better defenders to take the load off him...I forget about Ron Harper....Even Phil said in a previous book (not most recent) that:" I didn't ask Michael to do the things I asked of Kobe"



face it MJ had better quality teammates through out his career....he played along side two of the top 50 NBA players in NBA history..you cannot same the same for Kobe. MJ tried to defend Zeke but he couldn't he got burned...he didn't do well against top players till they were at the tail end of their careers. take the worst teams that each had make a comparison based not on their accomplishments but on the quality of teammates...

Yes the shooters MJ played with were better than a dominant front court from an assists perspective because they hit shots....when Shaq didn't dunk and he got fouled it resulted in two throws which means no assist for Kobe....do you get it now Sherlock? MJ had 3 point shooters than made him look great...he had defenders that covered for his ass...he didn't need a dominate big because he barely faced any during his era

[ambchang]

that shit is too lengthy to read from someone who's not accredited...but I skimmed it and that's good enough...let me say your whole premise is a fallacy...you have not proved that MJ facilitated the offense....what you showed was the was personally efficient... :lol...this isn't about best season's for each player...it's about who had the tougher job based on what was required of them...and based on the talent around them...MJ had better shooters around him and even better defenders to take the load off him...I forget about Ron Harper....Even Phil said in a previous book (not most recent) that:" I didn't ask Michael to do the things I asked of Kobe"

:lol, and you are accredited and proven Kobe facilitated the Lakers offense? Jordan had an entire LEAGUE collapsed onto him, with books written about it, one of which was called the Jordan rules. I suggest to go read that one. Kobe? Having Shaq drawing double and triple teams while scoring on a 40 year old Steve Smith was the highlight of his career.

You really want to use Phil Jackson's quote to compare Jordan and Kobe?

"Michael was more charismatic and gregarious than Kobe,"
"No question, Michael was a tougher, more intimidating defender," he said. "He could break through virtually any screen and shut down almost any player with his intense, laser-focused style of defense."
"Kobe has learned a lot from studying Michael's tricks, and we often used him as our secret weapon on defense when we needed to turn the direction of a game," Jackson said. "In general, Kobe tends to rely more heavily on his flexibility and craftiness, but he takes a lot of gambles on defense and sometimes pays the price."
"Jordan was also more naturally inclined to let the game come to him and not overplay his hand, whereas Kobe tends to force the action, especially when the game isn't going his way," he explains. "When his shot is off, Kobe will pound away relentlessly until his luck turns. Michael, on the other hand, would shift his attention to defense or passing or setting screens to help the team win the game."
"Though at times he could be hard on his teammates, Michael was masterful at controlling the emotional climate of the team with the power of his presence," Jackson confesses. "Kobe had a long way to go before he could make that claim. He talked a good game, but he'd yet to experience the cold truth of leadership in his bones, as Michael had."

Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Isiah Rider, Deveon George, Brian Shaw, Vlad Rad, the Machine, MWP all had season averages of around 35% and above in 3P%

Compared to Steve Kerr, Pippen, Harper, Kukoc, Jud Buechler, Scott Burrell, Armstrong and Hodges. Not a hell lot of difference.


face it MJ had better quality teammates through out his career....he played along side two of the top 50 NBA players in NBA history..you cannot same the same for Kobe. MJ tried to defend Zeke but he couldn't he got burned...he didn't do well against top players till they were at the tail end of their careers. take the worst teams that each had make a comparison based not on their accomplishments but on the quality of teammates...

Of all the crap takes you had on this forum, and there are plenty, this might be at or at least near the top. Pippen and Rodman is better than Shaq, MVPau, Odom and Bynum. I am not even counting Payton, Malone, Nash and D12, because they were old/misused by Kobe. Of course MVPau wasn't part of the top 50 of all time, he wasn't even PLAYING when they selected it .... and .... wait, when did Rodman get selected? Oh, wait, you just pulled that out of your ass. Who was the other one, the geriatric George Gervin? This is just getting funnier by the second.


Yes the shooters MJ played with were better than a dominant front court from an assists perspective because they hit shots....when Shaq didn't dunk and he got fouled it resulted in two throws which means no assist for Kobe....do you get it now Sherlock? MJ had 3 point shooters than made him look great...he had defenders that covered for his ass...he didn't need a dominate big because he barely faced any during his era

urrr ... the list didn't agree with you. Shaq and MVPau's three point shooters were about equal to MJs.

So you can continue to hide and pull out their abstract concepts like :cry Kobe facilitated :cry when you have no proof, and just accept the truth that Jordan was 10x the facilitator ever was.

:lol, Jordan averaged more assists than Kobe playing PG part time! :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol, and you are accredited and proven Kobe facilitated the Lakers offense? Jordan had an entire LEAGUE collapsed onto him, with books written about it, one of which was called the Jordan rules. I suggest to go read that one. Kobe? Having Shaq drawing double and triple teams while scoring on a 40 year old Steve Smith was the highlight of his career.

You really want to use Phil Jackson's quote to compare Jordan and Kobe?

"Michael was more charismatic and gregarious than Kobe,"
"No question, Michael was a tougher, more intimidating defender," he said. "He could break through virtually any screen and shut down almost any player with his intense, laser-focused style of defense."
"Kobe has learned a lot from studying Michael's tricks, and we often used him as our secret weapon on defense when we needed to turn the direction of a game," Jackson said. "In general, Kobe tends to rely more heavily on his flexibility and craftiness, but he takes a lot of gambles on defense and sometimes pays the price."
"Jordan was also more naturally inclined to let the game come to him and not overplay his hand, whereas Kobe tends to force the action, especially when the game isn't going his way," he explains. "When his shot is off, Kobe will pound away relentlessly until his luck turns. Michael, on the other hand, would shift his attention to defense or passing or setting screens to help the team win the game."
"Though at times he could be hard on his teammates, Michael was masterful at controlling the emotional climate of the team with the power of his presence," Jackson confesses. "Kobe had a long way to go before he could make that claim. He talked a good game, but he'd yet to experience the cold truth of leadership in his bones, as Michael had."

Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Isiah Rider, Deveon George, Brian Shaw, Vlad Rad, the Machine, MWP all had season averages of around 35% and above in 3P%

Compared to Steve Kerr, Pippen, Harper, Kukoc, Jud Buechler, Scott Burrell, Armstrong and Hodges. Not a hell lot of difference.



Of all the crap takes you had on this forum, and there are plenty, this might be at or at least near the top. Pippen and Rodman is better than Shaq, MVPau, Odom and Bynum. I am not even counting Payton, Malone, Nash and D12, because they were old/misused by Kobe. Of course MVPau wasn't part of the top 50 of all time, he wasn't even PLAYING when they selected it .... and .... wait, when did Rodman get selected? Oh, wait, you just pulled that out of your ass. Who was the other one, the geriatric George Gervin? This is just getting funnier by the second.



urrr ... the list didn't agree with you. Shaq and MVPau's three point shooters were about equal to MJs.

So you can continue to hide and pull out their abstract concepts like :cry Kobe facilitated :cry when you have no proof, and just accept the truth that Jordan was 10x the facilitator ever was.

:lol, Jordan averaged more assists than Kobe playing PG part time! :lol

you're clearly a moron if you think Shaq and Pau are better then Pippen and Rodman...you might as well say that Shaq> Pippen and Rodman combined and we know that ain't true...Rodman as a 4 could guard Shaq straight up not saying he would be successful but at least 40% of the time he would...and what you're doing to Pippen's legacy is a dam Shame..Pau is nowhere in Pip's league...remember without Kobe Pau is literally 0-16 in the play-offs...and again this part time crap you mention is just that...MJ didn't facilitate anything part time he did it occasionally and he never played PG for a season...getting assists don't mean you're facilitating an offense...he had spot moments..so you're using false stats to make a claim...but the point was he was never asked to facilitate an offense like Kobe was...he's only been asked to score..you're running around making up false claims about positions he played and for how long...and totally attempting to ignore the quality teammate argument with nothing but more BS

[ambchang]

you're clearly a moron if you think Shaq and Pau are better then Pippen and Rodman...you might as well say that Shaq> Pippen and Rodman combined and we know that ain't true...Rodman as a 4 could guard Shaq straight up not saying he would be successful but at least 40% of the time he would...and what you're doing to Pippen's legacy is a dam Shame..Pau is nowhere in Pip's league...remember without Kobe Pau is literally 0-16 in the play-offs...and again this part time crap you mention is just that...MJ didn't facilitate anything part time he did it occasionally and he never played PG for a season...getting assists don't mean you're facilitating an offense...he had spot moments..so you're using false stats to make a claim...but the point was he was never asked to facilitate an offense like Kobe was...he's only been asked to score..you're running around making up false claims about positions he played and for how long...and totally attempting to ignore the quality teammate argument with nothing but more BS

:lol, Shaq >>>>> Pippen, Pau > Rodman. Rodman as a 4 "guarded" Shaq to a 27ppg 64% shooting series in their lone head to head in the playoffs, and that is when Shaq wasn't even CLOSE to his prime. So yeah, your 40% estimation was close, it's actually 36% of the time, because Shaq scored 64% of the time. :lol.

MVPau is most definitely in Pippen's league. One is a 2nd banana to 6 titles (2nd greatest 2nd banana I might add, maybe third), while MVPau led the Lakers to two championships.

Remember, Kobo is a 2nd round virgin and missed the playoffs once without the most dominant front court. In fact, the Lakers were a 10th seed with MVPau out, then stormed back and made the playoffs with MVPau last year.

What is that crap about Jordan not facilitating the offense? Jordan was the best offensive player of all time, and you don't use him to facilitate the offense? Really? You would rather use the most inefficient player in the history of the league (most missed shots) to facilitate the offense? Oh, right, where is your proof that Kobo did facilitate the offense for a full season anyways.

Speaking of proof:
http://thebestten.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/chapter-36-michael-jordan-becomes-a-point-guard/
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/jordan-plays-point-guard-1.299470 (he even did it as a TOSB Wizard)

Kobe's PG for a full season claims? Can't find any proof.

[ambchang]

:lol a player nicknamed "Food Stamps" had bad teammates.

[DMC]

I heard Magic's new nickname was High Five (HIV).

Any truth to that?

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol, Shaq >>>>> Pippen, Pau > Rodman. Rodman as a 4 "guarded" Shaq to a 27ppg 64% shooting series in their lone head to head in the playoffs, and that is when Shaq wasn't even CLOSE to his prime. So yeah, your 40% estimation was close, it's actually 36% of the time, because Shaq scored 64% of the time. :lol.

MVPau is most definitely in Pippen's league. One is a 2nd banana to 6 titles (2nd greatest 2nd banana I might add, maybe third), while MVPau led the Lakers to two championships.

Remember, Kobo is a 2nd round virgin and missed the playoffs once without the most dominant front court. In fact, the Lakers were a 10th seed with MVPau out, then stormed back and made the playoffs with MVPau last year.

What is that crap about Jordan not facilitating the offense? Jordan was the best offensive player of all time, and you don't use him to facilitate the offense? Really? You would rather use the most inefficient player in the history of the league (most missed shots) to facilitate the offense? Oh, right, where is your proof that Kobo did facilitate the offense for a full season anyways.

Speaking of proof:
http://thebestten.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/chapter-36-michael-jordan-becomes-a-point-guard/
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/jordan-plays-point-guard-1.299470 (he even did it as a TOSB Wizard)

Kobe's PG for a full season claims? Can't find any proof.

You like writing lengthy paragraphs to essentially repeat what I say in one sentence...but feel free...if you read one my OP's...Kobe facilitating really has nothing to do with him phyically playing the PG position while a PG was on the floor...but rather quarter backing the offense taking the ball out of the PG's hands...this is something MJ didn't have to do for 95+ % of his career as I stated...hey numnuts - Kobe's facilitated the offense since he's been in the league...:lol why do you think it's pass the ball Kobe, or Kobe shoots too much? it's because Shaq and others looked to Kobe not Fisher to set them up...I swear you have the mental capacity of gnat...

all I know is that Kobe without Shaq or Pau has a higher winning percentage than MJ without Pippen :hat

[ambchang]

You like writing lengthy paragraphs to essentially repeat what I say in one sentence...but feel free...if you read one my OP's...Kobe facilitating really has nothing to do with him phyically playing the PG position while a PG was on the floor...but rather quarter backing the offense taking the ball out of the PG's hands...this is something MJ didn't have to do for 95+ % of his career as I stated...hey numnuts - Kobe's facilitated the offense since he's been in the league...:lol why do you think it's pass the ball Kobe, or Kobe shoots too much? it's because Shaq and others looked to Kobe not Fisher to set them up...I swear you have the mental capacity of gnat...

all I know is that Kobe without Shaq or Pau has a higher winning percentage than MJ without Pippen :hat

Oooo .. backtracking. You know, the one where you talked about what you said had nothing to do with him physically playing PG? You mean this one?


MJ was never asked to carry the load Kobe is asked to carry....for example unlike Kobe...MJ was never asked to play PG and facilitate an offense...all Phil asked him to do was play SG..and he did that exceptionally well...MJ was never asked to defend the opposing teams best player...Pippen did that for him..and then Rodman....MJ was never asked to be player / coach...MJ never had to share the ball....so therefore MJ had it much easier than Kobe....meaning he didn't need the surgery....

How do you know Kobe facilitated the offense and MJ didn't? Because Kobe averaged 4.8 apg vs. MJ's 5.3? (and that is including Jordan's TOSB Wizard days).

And Kobe without Shaq or Pau = one missed playoffs and two 1st round exits vs. the Suns. Happened during Kobe's absolute prime
Jordan without Pippen = two first round exits, and NEVER missing the playoffs (not counting the TOSB Wizard days). Happened during Jordan's 1st and 3rd year.

[Koolaid_Man]

Oooo .. backtracking. You know, the one where you talked about what you said had nothing to do with him physically playing PG? You mean this one?



How do you know Kobe facilitated the offense and MJ didn't? Because Kobe averaged 4.8 apg vs. MJ's 5.3? (and that is including Jordan's TOSB Wizard days).

And Kobe without Shaq or Pau = one missed playoffs and two 1st round exits vs. the Suns. Happened during Kobe's absolute prime
Jordan without Pippen = two first round exits, and NEVER missing the playoffs (not counting the TOSB Wizard days). Happened during Jordan's 1st and 3rd year.

again Kobe has a higher winning % without Shaq and Pau than MJ does without PIp...are you refuting this? my point is Kobe is more of a winner than MJ if you remove all the supporting HOF teammates

[ElNono]

A repeat of last season would be pretty good, comedy-wise, tbh...

[Koolaid_Man]

Oooo .. backtracking. You know, the one where you talked about what you said had nothing to do with him physically playing PG? You mean this one?



How do you know Kobe facilitated the offense and MJ didn't? Because Kobe averaged 4.8 apg vs. MJ's 5.3? (and that is including Jordan's TOSB Wizard days).

And Kobe without Shaq or Pau = one missed playoffs and two 1st round exits vs. the Suns. Happened during Kobe's absolute prime
Jordan without Pippen = two first round exits, and NEVER missing the playoffs (not counting the TOSB Wizard days). Happened during Jordan's 1st and 3rd year.


obviously I didn't watch every Bulls game..but I've watched dam near all of Kobe's game's since 96....but the bottom line how do I know because Phil Jackson admitted it...numnuts...as soon as I find the quote we'll add it to the other Phil Jackson quote's

[ambchang]

again Kobe has a higher winning % without Shaq and Pau than MJ does without PIp...are you refuting this? my point is Kobe is more of a winner than MJ if you remove all the supporting HOF teammates

:lol, comparing Kobe's absolute prime to Jordan's rookie season and Wizard days. Guess what? David Robinson had a higher winning percentage without Tim Duncan, Robinson is more of a winner than K:lolbe is if you remove all the supporting HoF teammates.

[ambchang]

obviously I didn't watch every Bulls game..but I've watched dam near all of Kobe's game's since 96....but the bottom line how do I know because Phil Jackson admitted it...numnuts...as soon as I find the quote we'll add it to the other Phil Jackson quote's

Show me the quote where he said Kobe facilitated the offense 95% of the time while Jordan didn't.

[Koolaid_Man]

Show me the quote where he said Kobe facilitated the offense 95% of the time while Jordan didn't.

actually it's even worse...he said he MJ never facilitated at all...it's in my archives and as soon as I find it...it shall be posted....with an arrow right up your ass :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol, comparing Kobe's absolute prime to Jordan's rookie season and Wizard days. Guess what? David Robinson had a higher winning percentage without Tim Duncan, Robinson is more of a winner than K:lolbe is if you remove all the supporting HoF teammates.

ohh so now you have qualifiers...:lol you're so lame and predictable it's likely why you don't get laid

[ambchang]

actually it's even worse...he said he MJ never facilitated at all...it's in my archives and as soon as I find it...it shall be posted....with an arrow right up your ass :lol

Sure. Come to think I it, why do I care. Eric snow was asked to facilitate the offense. So?


ohh so now you have qualifiers...:lol you're so lame and predictable it's likely why you don't get laid

:lol removing a player'a entire prime is NOT a qualifier.

Comparing team accomplishments of Jordan's worst years to Kobe's best years :lol

[HI-FI]

Kool thinking he's the smartest guy in the room because his parents sent him to an Ivy league school.

Amb just straight pile driving niggas.

[Koolaid_Man]

Kool thinking he's the smartest guy in the room because his parents sent him to an Ivy league school.

Amb just straight pile driving niggas.

I am the smartest in the room...he's the dumbass doing all the research like a fool..I'm just sitting back sipping on my homemade Mai'Tai while this clown goes into research mode...I'm just over here laughing my ass off at his passion over it....while to me it's still

Kobe 5
GOSB 4 :lol

[Arnold Toht]

Oooo .. backtracking. You know, the one where you talked about what you said had nothing to do with him physically playing PG? You mean this one?



How do you know Kobe facilitated the offense and MJ didn't? Because Kobe averaged 4.8 apg vs. MJ's 5.3? (and that is including Jordan's TOSB Wizard days).

And Kobe without Shaq or Pau = one missed playoffs and two 1st round exits vs. the Suns. Happened during Kobe's absolute prime
Jordan without Pippen = two first round exits, and NEVER missing the playoffs (not counting the TOSB Wizard days). Happened during Jordan's 1st and 3rd year.


:lol, Shaq >>>>> Pippen, Pau > Rodman. Rodman as a 4 "guarded" Shaq to a 27ppg 64% shooting series in their lone head to head in the playoffs, and that is when Shaq wasn't even CLOSE to his prime. So yeah, your 40% estimation was close, it's actually 36% of the time, because Shaq scored 64% of the time. :lol.

MVPau is most definitely in Pippen's league. One is a 2nd banana to 6 titles (2nd greatest 2nd banana I might add, maybe third), while MVPau led the Lakers to two championships.

Remember, Kobo is a 2nd round virgin and missed the playoffs once without the most dominant front court. In fact, the Lakers were a 10th seed with MVPau out, then stormed back and made the playoffs with MVPau last year.

What is that crap about Jordan not facilitating the offense? Jordan was the best offensive player of all time, and you don't use him to facilitate the offense? Really? You would rather use the most inefficient player in the history of the league (most missed shots) to facilitate the offense? Oh, right, where is your proof that Kobo did facilitate the offense for a full season anyways.

Speaking of proof:
http://thebestten.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/chapter-36-michael-jordan-becomes-a-point-guard/
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/jordan-plays-point-guard-1.299470 (he even did it as a TOSB Wizard)

Kobe's PG for a full season claims? Can't find any proof.


:lol, and you are accredited and proven Kobe facilitated the Lakers offense? Jordan had an entire LEAGUE collapsed onto him, with books written about it, one of which was called the Jordan rules. I suggest to go read that one. Kobe? Having Shaq drawing double and triple teams while scoring on a 40 year old Steve Smith was the highlight of his career.

You really want to use Phil Jackson's quote to compare Jordan and Kobe?

"Michael was more charismatic and gregarious than Kobe,"
"No question, Michael was a tougher, more intimidating defender," he said. "He could break through virtually any screen and shut down almost any player with his intense, laser-focused style of defense."
"Kobe has learned a lot from studying Michael's tricks, and we often used him as our secret weapon on defense when we needed to turn the direction of a game," Jackson said. "In general, Kobe tends to rely more heavily on his flexibility and craftiness, but he takes a lot of gambles on defense and sometimes pays the price."
"Jordan was also more naturally inclined to let the game come to him and not overplay his hand, whereas Kobe tends to force the action, especially when the game isn't going his way," he explains. "When his shot is off, Kobe will pound away relentlessly until his luck turns. Michael, on the other hand, would shift his attention to defense or passing or setting screens to help the team win the game."
"Though at times he could be hard on his teammates, Michael was masterful at controlling the emotional climate of the team with the power of his presence," Jackson confesses. "Kobe had a long way to go before he could make that claim. He talked a good game, but he'd yet to experience the cold truth of leadership in his bones, as Michael had."

Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Isiah Rider, Deveon George, Brian Shaw, Vlad Rad, the Machine, MWP all had season averages of around 35% and above in 3P%

Compared to Steve Kerr, Pippen, Harper, Kukoc, Jud Buechler, Scott Burrell, Armstrong and Hodges. Not a hell lot of difference.



Of all the crap takes you had on this forum, and there are plenty, this might be at or at least near the top. Pippen and Rodman is better than Shaq, MVPau, Odom and Bynum. I am not even counting Payton, Malone, Nash and D12, because they were old/misused by Kobe. Of course MVPau wasn't part of the top 50 of all time, he wasn't even PLAYING when they selected it .... and .... wait, when did Rodman get selected? Oh, wait, you just pulled that out of your ass. Who was the other one, the geriatric George Gervin? This is just getting funnier by the second.



urrr ... the list didn't agree with you. Shaq and MVPau's three point shooters were about equal to MJs.

So you can continue to hide and pull out their abstract concepts like :cry Kobe facilitated :cry when you have no proof, and just accept the truth that Jordan was 10x the facilitator ever was.

:lol, Jordan averaged more assists than Kobe playing PG part time! :lol


LOL, Kobe was there to facilitate the offense full time, and Jordan was there to facilitate the offense part time, so let us see how they did.

The top 10 offensive ratings of Kobe Bryant, which, according to KM, was facilitated by Bryant, vs. those of Jordan, who was merely doing it on a part time basis. For those who have trouble understanding stats, which based on observation seems to be all Kobestans, this is the points per 100 possessions scored when a said player was on the floor. So if Bryant was there to facilitate the offense, and he is such a great offensive genius, logic will have it that the Lakers will score a hell lot of points with him on the floor ..... Let's fire away.

KB - 115, 115, 115, 114, 112, 112, 112, 112, 111, 111 - Career average, 112
MJ - 125, 124, 123, 123, 123, 121, 121, 119, 118, 117 - Career average, 118

Keep in mind, these are points per 100 possessions, so pace doesn't affect the numbers. And before you go, :cry Kobe played in an era with more sophisticated offense :cry. The three seasons where Kobe had a 115 Ortg, the league average was 106.5, 107.5 and 108.3, or in other words, Kobe was 8%, 7%, and 6.3% better than league average.

In Jordan's three best seasons? The league average was 107.9, 107.6, and 108. Which means that Jordan was 15.8%, 15.2% and 13.9% better than average. In fact, excluding Jordan's Wizard and partial years (2nd year where he broke his foot and the comeback year), Jordan's three WORST years gave him Ortgs of 118, 117 and 114, while the league average was 107.9, 108.3, and 105, respectively. That means Jordan was 9.4%, 8.0%, 8.6% above league average.

Jordan's WORST year was equivalent to Kobe's BEST year, taking competition into account, while, according to KM, Kobe was facilitating 95% while Jordan was doing it part time! :lol. Jordan doing something part time in his WORST year = Kobe doing something full time in his BEST year. Hilarious!

Craig Hodges, Toni Kukoc, John Paxson, Steve Kerr are better supporting casts than a dominant front court because they can shoot! KM will take a 7 ppg 3 point shooter as compared to the most dominant player in his generation average 44 ppg in the finals! :lol this is comedy gold. Speaking of shooters, guess which team made more three pointersy? The 97 Bulls (Jordan's most dominant team playing in a non-shortened three point line), or the 09 Lakers (the weakest of the 5 LA championship teams)? You got that right, the Lakers did.



Is that why Kobe had more FGAs than Shaq despite Shaq shooting a way higher % and the centre of the offense? Is that why Kobe had a career average of 4.8 apg, with a career high of 6 apg when he had seasons of Shaq, MVPau, and Bynum in the middle, while Jordan had a career average of 5.3 apg with a career high of 8.0 while he had incredible inside scorers like Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman, Bill Cartwright, Bill Wennington, Will Perdue, Dave Corzine, and Cliff Levingston to pass to on a PART-TIME basis?



And he didn't do a good job at it. Jordan defended Isiah Thomas and/or Joe Dumars, Magic and/or Byron Scott, Drexler and/or Terry Porter, Kevin Johnson and/or Dan Marjele, Stockton and/or Hornacek, are you now trying to tell me Pippen guarded both players at the same time, or are you trying to say that BJ Armstrong was a lock down defender?
Your defense of Kobe was that he did everything worse, despite doing it full-time as compared to Jordan who was doing it part-time, but he did everything, so he was better? What the hell kind of logic is that? Let's give an A to Kobe for effort despite him sucking at his job. WTF is this? Kindergarten's everybody get an award day?



LOL, Rick Fox was brought it strictly as someone to stop perimeter players while Kobe was floating.

Let's look at player's DRtg, similar to the ORtg exercise above, but this time, the lower the number the better.

KB - 98, 102, 103, 103, 104, 104, 105, 105, 105, 105 - Career Average 105
MJ - 100, 100, 101, 102, 102, 102, 102, 102, 103, 103, 103 - Career Average 103

Best three seasons for Kobe, the league average was 104.1, 102.9 and 104.5, which means that Kobe was 5.9%, :lol.9% and 1.4% better than average.
Jordan? The league average was 107.6, 105, and 108. Which means that MJ was 7.1%, 4.8%, and 6.5% better than average. Again, taking Jordan's three worst non-Wizard full seasons, he had DRTG of 104, 106 and 107 vs. a league average of 108.3, 108.1 and 107.9. Which means that in the three WORST seasons of Jordan, he was 4%, 1.9%, and 0.8% better than average, numbers that are comparable to Kobe's BEST seasons. :lol at defensive playing ability of Kobe.



:lol, getting annihilated and pulling hyperbolas.


:lol, Jordan played an entire YEAR of PG in 88. Where were you back then?

And Kobe was asked to consistently play PG for 95% of his career? You do realize PG is more than bring the ball up, right? PG is supposed to be there to facilitate the offense, right? If Kobe is playing PG while Jordan wasn't, why did Jordan average more assists than Kobe? Kobe doing something full time isn't even as good as Jordan doing something part time! :lol

And Kobe has been horrible at feeding the post. How many times have Shaq complained about it? And Kobe covered PGs on defense 95% of the time? Is it why Mike Bibby, Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson and every single PG went apeshit on the Lakers? The Lakers made more for PGs than any other team. You a PG on a contract year? You better PRAY that you draw the Lakers in the playoffs, because you are guaranteed to land a bigger contract than you deserve.

LOL on Jordan getting torched on a nightly basis. Jordan getting DPoY, Kobe never did. :lol


Jordan ran off a string of triple doubles playing PG.

Jordan ran the entire Bulls offense at times be sude his PG was BJ Armstrong

Jordan guarded isiah Thomas.

Kobe coached himself to snap his Achilles. (Seriously, when did he coach).

Gm Kobe demanded a Bynum trade which thankfully for him didn't work out.

Talk about bitterness over 6. Kool working this salty nigga :lol

[Kidd K]

Can someone explain to me. . .does this Koolaid man guy try to intentionally be wrong and post bad takes? The percentage of bad to accurate takes seems like at least 9/1. That has to be intentional.




KB - 115, 115, 115, 114, 112, 112, 112, 112, 111, 111 - Career average, 112
MJ - 125, 124, 123, 123, 123, 121, 121, 119, 118, 117 - Career average, 118

Keep in mind, these are points per 100 possessions, so pace doesn't affect the numbers. And before you go, :cry Kobe played in an era with more sophisticated offense :cry. The three seasons where Kobe had a 115 Ortg, the league average was 106.5, 107.5 and 108.3, or in other words, Kobe was 8%, 7%, and 6.3% better than league average.

In Jordan's three best seasons? The league average was 107.9, 107.6, and 108. Which means that Jordan was 15.8%, 15.2% and 13.9% better than average. In fact, excluding Jordan's Wizard and partial years (2nd year where he broke his foot and the comeback year), Jordan's three WORST years gave him Ortgs of 118, 117 and 114, while the league average was 107.9, 108.3, and 105, respectively. That means Jordan was 9.4%, 8.0%, 8.6% above league average.

Jordan's WORST year was equivalent to Kobe's BEST year


Let's look at player's DRtg, similar to the ORtg exercise above, but this time, the lower the number the better.

KB - 98, 102, 103, 103, 104, 104, 105, 105, 105, 105 - Career Average 105
MJ - 100, 100, 101, 102, 102, 102, 102, 102, 103, 103, 103 - Career Average 103

Best three seasons for Kobe, the league average was 104.1, 102.9 and 104.5, which means that Kobe was 5.9%, :lol.9% and 1.4% better than average.
Jordan? The league average was 107.6, 105, and 108. Which means that MJ was 7.1%, 4.8%, and 6.5% better than average. Again, taking Jordan's three worst non-Wizard full seasons, he had DRTG of 104, 106 and 107 vs. a league average of 108.3, 108.1 and 107.9. Which means that in the three WORST seasons of Jordan, he was 4%, 1.9%, and 0.8% better than average, numbers that are comparable to Kobe's BEST seasons. :lol at defensive playing ability of Kobe.

Nuclear bombs of truth.

Kobe is the poor man's version of Jordan. He's the guy that makes you pissed you had to pick second today when you're picking teams. Jordan will always get picked over Kobe.

[Rogue]

obviously I didn't watch every Bulls game..but I've watched dam near all of Kobe's game's since 96....but the bottom line how do I know because Phil Jackson admitted it...numnuts...as soon as I find the quote we'll add it to the other Phil Jackson quote's
Lie... you can't buy the games' tickets with food stamps.

[ambchang]

Talk about bitterness over 6. Kool working this salty nigga :lol

Jordan's 6 had no bitterness