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m>s
10-10-2013, 10:10 PM
http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/is-red-state-america-seceding/


In the last decade of the 20th century, as the Soviet Empire disintegrated, so, too, did that prison house of nations, the USSR.Out of the decomposing carcass came Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Moldova, all in Europe; Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan in the Caucasus; and Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan in Central Asia.



Transnistria then broke free of Moldova, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia fought free of Georgia.
Yugoslavia dissolved far more violently into the nations of Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Kosovo.
The Slovaks seceded from Czechoslovakia. Yet a Europe that plunged straight to war after the last breakup of Czechoslovakia in 1938 and 1939 this time only yawned. Let them go, all agreed.
The spirit of secession, the desire of peoples to sever ties to nations to which they have belonged for generations, sometimes for centuries, and to seek out their own kind, is a spreading phenomenon.
Scotland is moving toward a referendum on independence from England, three centuries after the Acts of Union. Catalonia pushes to be free of Madrid. Milanese and Venetians see themselves as a European people apart from Sicilians, Neapolitans and Romans.
Dutch-speaking Flanders wants to cut loose of French-speaking Wallonia in Belgium. Francophone Quebec, with immigrants from Asia and the Third World tilting the balance in favor of union, appears to have lost its historic moment to secede from Canada.
What are the forces pulling nations apart? Ethnicity, culture, history and language – but now also economics. And separatist and secessionist movements are cropping up here in the United States.
While many red state Americans are moving away from blue state America, seeking kindred souls among whom to live, those who love where they live but not those who rule them are seeking to secede.
The five counties of western Maryland – Garrett, Allegheny, Washington, Frederick and Carroll, which have more in common with West Virginia and wish to be rid of Baltimore and free of Annapolis, are talking secession.
The issues driving secession in Maryland are gun control, high taxes, energy policy, homosexual marriage and immigration.
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Scott Strzelczyk, who lives in the town of Windsor in Carroll County and leads the Western Maryland Initiative, argues: “If you have a long list of grievances, and it’s been going on for decades, and you can’t get it resolved, ultimately [secession] is what you have to do.”
And there is precedent. Four of our 50 states – Maine, Vermont, Kentucky, West Virginia – were born out of other states.
Ten northern counties of Colorado (http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/voter-frustration-with-government-hits-critical-mass/) are this November holding non-binding referenda to prepare a future secession from Denver and the creation of America’s 51st state.
Nine of the 10 Colorado counties talking secession and a new state, writes Reid Wilson of the Washington Post – Cheyenne, Kit Carson, Logan, Morgan, Phillips, Sedgwick, Washington, Weld and Yuma – all gave more than 62 percent of their votes to Mitt Romney. Five of these 10 counties gave Romney more than 75 percent of their vote.
Their issues with the Denver legislature: A new gun control law that triggered a voter recall of two Democratic state senators, state restrictions on oil exploration and the Colorado legislature’s party-line vote in support of gay marriage.
Scott Strzelczyk of the Western Maryland Initiative talks about seceding from the rest of the state.



In California, which many have long believed should be split in two, the northern counties of Modoc and Siskiyou on the Oregon border are talking secession (http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/2nd-california-county-votes-for-secession/) – and then union in a new state called Jefferson.
“California is essentially ungovernable in its present size,” says Mark Baird of the Jefferson Declaration Committee. Baird hopes to attract a dozen counties to join together before petitioning the state to secede.
Like the western Maryland and northern Colorado counties, the northern California counties are conservative, small town, rural and have little in common with San Francisco or Los Angeles, or Sacramento, where Republicans hold not one statewide office and are outnumbered better than 2-1 in both houses of the state legislature.
Folks on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, bordered by Wisconsin and the Great Lakes, which is connected to lower Michigan by a bridge, have long dreamed of a separate state called Superior. The UP has little in common with Lansing and nothing with Detroit.
While the folks in western Maryland, northern Colorado, northern California and on the Upper Peninsula might be described as red state secessionists, in Vermont the secessionists seem of the populist left. The Montpelier Manifesto of the Second Vermont Republic concludes:
“Citizens, lend your names to this manifesto and join in the honorable task of rejecting the immoral, corrupt, decaying, dying, failing American Empire and seeking its rapid and peaceful dissolution before it takes us all down with it.”
This sort of intemperate language may be found in Thomas Jefferson’s indictment of George III. If America does not get its fiscal house in order, and another Great Recession hits or our elites dragoon us into another imperial war, we will likely hear more of such talk.

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ChumpDumper
10-10-2013, 10:11 PM
No, it isn't.

m>s
10-10-2013, 10:13 PM
i can't wait for it to be open season on commies

ChumpDumper
10-11-2013, 12:38 AM
More threats.

Yawn.

boutons_deux
10-11-2013, 05:04 AM
wnd? inflaming the flammable bubbas for profit, just like Fox, Cato, etc, etc.

bubbas, gun fellators, tea baggers, libertarians, ignorant rurals, old, racist white guys with shrinking pre-frontal lobes just love America so much, love "their" Constitution so much (ie, they are superior people in their opinion) that they must destroy America to save it for themselves from people in the un-melting pot they don't like.

And these ignorant assholes think they can govern themselves forever in their little backwoods seceded "countries"? :lol

boutons_deux
10-12-2013, 10:34 AM
Right-wing coup: Deluded secessionists have already won (http://www.salon.com/2013/10/09/right_wing_coup_deluded_secessionists_have_already _won/)Thanks to a confluence of three events, the S-word — secession — is once again in the air. In Washington, new questions are emerging about whether the United States can function as a unified nation after a partial government shutdown was engineered by a largely regional party (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/08/12/are_republicans_becoming_a_regional_party.html) — one whose home territory looks eerily similar to the Confederacy (http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2012/10/28/the-gops-geography-and-the-confederacy/). Adding to the questions about the viability of the post-Civil War union (http://www.salon.com/2013/10/07/shutdown_shows_the_civil_war_never_ended_partner/) is the fact that the shutdown has been orchestrated by a Texas legislator (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/ted-cruz-government-shutdown_n_4050000.html) whose state party stalwarts (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/02/02/support_for_texas_secession_rises_after_obama_win. html) — including its governor (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61030.html) — seem to support secession, to the point of taking concrete legislative steps to prepare for independence (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/22/texas-takes-step-toward-secession-with-rick-perrys-plan-to-hoard-gold/). On top of all that, in states across the country, incipient secession movements (http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2013/09/rick_perry_is_a_trendsetter_ot.php) have sprung up only a few months after secession petitions flooded the White House website (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/276817-white-house-responds-to-secession-petitions).

In his seminal book “Better Off Without ‘Em,” (http://www.amazon.com/Better-Off-Without-Manifesto-Secession/dp/1451616651) Chuck Thompson marshals data to argue that America would benefit by letting the Republican Party and its strongholds formally secede from the country. Whether or not you end up agreeing with Thompson, the argument he forwards is compelling on the policy merits. It also raises an important but less-explored political question: Why would today’s conservatives want to formally secede from a nation that gives them the privilege of governing the whole country, even though they remain in the electoral minority and even though their policy agenda is opposed by a majority of the country (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/poll-republicans-democrats-out-of-touch-90132.html)?

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/09/right_wing_coup_deluded_secessionists_have_already _won/

ChumpDumper
10-12-2013, 03:33 PM
You guys are some sore losers.

m>s
10-12-2013, 03:46 PM
more winning/losing, red/blue nonsense out of a cocksucking motherfucking mouth

this is a battle for survival, and those who are laughing now may not be laughing soon

ChumpDumper
10-12-2013, 04:12 PM
You're such a drama queen.


And a sore ass loser.

m>s
10-12-2013, 04:35 PM
blow your head off and post it

m>s
10-12-2013, 04:37 PM
have your boyfriend post it*

Trainwreck2100
10-12-2013, 04:46 PM
no because all those "hands off my medicade" morons will lose said medicade if they were to secede

George Gervin's Afro
10-12-2013, 09:16 PM
how about winning an election... novel concept

boutons_deux
10-12-2013, 09:37 PM
win an election? here's how 2 red states plan to stay red, fighting the imaginary voter fraud crisis

2 States Plan 2-Tier System for Balloting

Barred by the Supreme Court from requiring proof of citizenship for federal elections, Arizona is complying — but setting up a separate registration system for local and state elections that will demand such proof.

The state this week joined Kansas in planning for such a two-tiered voting system, which could keep thousands of people from participating in state and local elections, including next year’s critical cycle, when top posts in both states will be on the ballot.


The states are using an opening left in June by the United States Supreme Court when it said that the power of Congress over federal elections was paramount but did not rule on proof of citizenship in state elections. Such proof was required under Arizona’s Proposition 200, which passed in 2004 and is one of the weapons in the border state’s arsenal of laws enacted in its battle against illegal immigration.

The two states are also jointly suing the federal Election Assistance Commission, arguing that it should change the federal voter registration form for their states to include state citizenship requirements. While the agency has previously denied such requests, the justices said the states could try again and seek judicial review of those decisions.

The battle over voting is part of a larger struggle between the two parties. Democrats have sought to make voting easier and to increase participation among minority groups that tend to support them. Republicans have sought to require more proof of citizenship and to increase identification requirements, saying they are fighting potential fraud.

The two-tiered system — deemed costly, cumbersome and prone to confusion by many of its opponents, as well as election officials in both states — threatens to derail an effort by Democrats and their allies to increase voter registration and turnout among Latinos and the poor, part of a push by the party to pick up local offices and seats in the states’ legislatures, where policies have been largely dictated by Republicans in recent years. The states would create separate ballots covering only federal races for voters who do not provide proof of citizenship.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/12/us/2-states-plan-2-tier-system-for-balloting.html?from=homepage

Rogue
10-12-2013, 10:30 PM
I don't see how America is being divided imho. As much as the red states are pissed at the libtards they'll never want to secede. A divided america would be vulnerable to terrorists attacks without a national security system protecting the continent as a whole, and the newly founded country (or countries) would hardly earn their say in international affairs, while the federal US would also relinquish the dominance over the world and become a target for commies and idiots to shit on. The US have too many enemies in today's world for the proposal of secession to be a feasible option imho.

m>s
10-12-2013, 11:36 PM
As soon as we stopped fucking around in people's business we would lose most of our enemies imo..and due to our location all the way across the globe we are in a great position to defend from attack, and we would still have plenty of military personnel and knowledge. both countries would probably have a mutual defense treaty with eachother as well as canada and mexico to defend against foreign intervention in the americas. the plan works because it allows both sides to be governed by like minded people and both sides would probably be happier in the end.

boutons_deux
06-13-2014, 01:55 PM
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