Obama is Destroying the GOP as we Know it..

[Nbadan]

By finally showing a spine Obama could accomplish in 2 terms what the GOP as been attempting for decades....


The President has made clear that he will not pay a ransom for Congress doing its job and paying our bills. It is better for economic certainty for Congress to take the threat of default off the table for as long as possible, which is why we support the Senate Democrats’ efforts to raise the debt limit for a year with no extraneous political strings attached. The President also believes that the Republican Leadership in the House should allow for an up or down vote on the clean continuing resolution passed by the Senate that would pass with a bipartisan majority to reopen the government. Once Republicans in Congress act to remove the threat of default and end this harmful government shutdown, the President will be willing to negotiate on a broader budget agreement to create jobs, grow the economy, and put our fiscal house in order. While we are willing to look at any proposal Congress puts forward to end these manufactured crises, we will not allow a faction of the Republicans in the House to hold the economy hostage to its extraneous and extreme political demands. Congress needs to pass a clean debt limit increase and a funding bill to reopen the government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown_n_4076802.html#388_white-house-rejects-gop-idea-to-keep-government-closed-through-november

let's keep our fingers crossed that for the first time he goes BIG! BOLD! BALLS TO THE WALL.
he has a few hours to pull off the coup of a poltical life time and crush these teavangel wingnuts and
the kochroach brigade once and for all.

it's actually his duty to not only save the country from financial Armageddon, but take this
tactic out of the political arsenal once and for all for him and future presidents.

....the president should demand an end to the shutdown.
.....the president should demand an end to the sequestration.
.....the president should demand the scrapping of the continuing resolution.
.....the president should demand the house agree to his last budget numbers
and....
....the president should demand that the debt ceiling be eliminated or put on
automatic pilot.

hang them out to dry.

[TSA]

'The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.'

[hitmanyr2k]

It's not hard to sit back and watch the idiots in the other party implode because they were taken over by a bunch of knuckle-draggers :lol Looks like they didn't heed Bobby Jindal's warning. The GOP is still the party of stupid and there's no end in sight.

[Nbadan]

America's only debt problem is the one fabricated by the GOP...the American government continues to be the largest holder of American debt...

[hitmanyr2k]

America's only debt problem is the one fabricated by the GOP...the American government continues to be the largest holder of American debt...

The GOP's hypocrisy kills me lol. It seems they only care about debt and deficits when they're not in power. Their savior Ronald Reagan started the spending spree putting everything on the government credit card. Republicans didn't give a shit until Clinton got in office. Then their tripling the debt under Reagan/Bush suddenly mattered :lol Then it was no different under Bush. Tax cuts that created no jobs and increased the debt, prescription drug plan on the govt credit card, two wars not counted on the books, etc. The GOP was rubber-stamping that shit left and right. Cheney was saying deficits don't matter. The country collapses, a black guy gets in office and suddenly the GOP gets "conservative" :lol They're frauds and always have been. Their supporters are pretty damn stupid too.

[Clipper Nation]

The GOP has already destroyed themselves by discouraging any young voters and running and electing nothing but neocons, tbh.... let's not give Obama all the credit for the GOP mortally damaging their own party :lol

[byrontx]

The GOP's hypocrisy kills me lol. It seems they only care about debt and deficits when they're not in power. Their savior Ronald Reagan started the spending spree putting everything on the government credit card. Republicans didn't give a shit until Clinton got in office. Then their tripling the debt under Reagan/Bush suddenly mattered :lol Then it was no different under Bush. Tax cuts that created no jobs and increased the debt, prescription drug plan on the govt credit card, two wars not counted on the books, etc. The GOP was rubber-stamping that shit left and right. Cheney was saying deficits don't matter. The country collapses, a black guy gets in office and suddenly the GOP gets "conservative" :lol They're frauds and always have been. Their supporters are pretty damn stupid too.

Pegged it.

[ElNono]

The GOP is killing the GOP

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The GOP has already destroyed themselves by discouraging any young voters and running and electing nothing but neocons, tbh.... let's not give Obama all the credit for the GOP mortally damaging their own party :lol

Sorry but neocons like Boehner, McCain, Graham, etc are not the problem. They are no bed of roses but they are nothing like Cruz and the two other fucktards from gerrymandered Texas districts or those douchebags Bachmann and Yoho.

I don't know how much longer our country can take single member districts pumping out morons into the House post Citizens United.

[boutons_deux]

'The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.'

what bullshit, typical TSA post.

If you right-wingers were honestly worried about the deficit, you'd restore all the tax cuts back to 1975, since the problem isn't spending, but tax cuts for the 1% and corps, plus Repug wars.

[TDMVPDPOY]

obama competing with mugabe to be the baddest black president ever? lmao kofi

[boutons_deux]

The GOP is killing the GOP

maybe the tea baggers will form their own Kock Bros party and destroy the Repug for decades. good riddance

[boutons_deux]

The Inevitability of Republican Cowardice

The chickens are coming home to roost and they're still chicken (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/09/shutdown-setback-republicans-are-bailing-on-clean-cr.html).

But even as he was speaking, the scenario appeared to be unraveling, with a handful of center-right Republicans who had publicly backed a clean CR abruptly reversing their stance-some denying that they had ever supported it in the first place.

Lou Barletta, a Pennsylvania Republican, insisted that any vote include a repeal of a medical device tax unpopular with both the GOP and Democrats. "He's beyond the clean CR," a Barletta spokesman wrote in an email.

"He would vote against it now, because he is now focused on passing the CR with the medical device tax repeal, which can pass the House and Senate. He has found a group of Democrats who would support [it] in the House, [and that] represents a compromise that can get to the president's desk." As for the clean CR-which appeared at the start of the day to have enough votes to pass should Boehner allow it to get to the floor? "That time has passed," the spokesman said. A spokesman for Buffalo, New York-area Congressman Chris Collins, who likewise began the day in favor of bringing a measure to the floor, concurred. "The Congressman is dealing with reality: there is no chance that a clean CR is coming to the floor so we are focusing now on what is possible. Everyone needs to get in a room and compromise."

I talked about this the other day. It is one thing to say how reasonable you are when the nice young NBC researchers bat their eyes at you, or when Uncle Fud who hosts the farm report on the electric radio back in the district asks you what in the Sam Hill is with you fellas in Washington.

It's quite another to get up and vote in such a way as to bring down the unshirted hell of the unleashed Republican Id upon your melon. Look at your current House of Representatives. I'm not seeing profiles in that kind of courage.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/19808-the-inevitability-of-republican-cowardice

The Repugs are dickless chickenshits bullied by tea baggers? what a surprise!

pass a clean CR now that they think they can add on the face-saving repeal the medical device tax? Mission Accomplished! :lol

See, bubbas, we bitch slapped the Dems by repealing the medical device tax, INCREASING THE DEFICIT! :lol

Shutdown Setback: Republicans Are Bailing on ‘Clean’ CRhttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/09/shutdown-setback-republicans-are-bailing-on-clean-cr.html

[TSA]

what bullshit, typical TSA post.

If you right-wingers were honestly worried about the deficit, you'd restore all the tax cuts back to 1975, since the problem isn't spending, but tax cuts for the 1% and corps, plus Repug wars.Slow down boutons, those aren't my words, those are Obama's words.

[m>s]

Lol commie liberal circle jerk thread

[baseline bum]

Obama's not doing much positive for the Democratic party either tbh. Fuck that nigga for caving on the public option.

[boutons_deux]

Obama's not doing much positive for the Democratic party either tbh. Fuck that nigga for caving on the public option.

he had NO CHOICE.

big insurance companies are anti-choice on PO, and they dictate government policy. Pushing for a PO would have meant NO PO and NO ACA at all

btw, of the 57% who are against ACA, 10 or 11% are against it not because "govt is taking over health care" as the ignorant fucks say, but because ACA doesn't go far enough, eg, PO, etc.

[Clipper Nation]

Sorry but neocons like Boehner, McCain, Graham, etc are not the problem.
Are they as bad as the likes of Bachmann? No, marginally less so.... but really, they're all trotting out the same neoconservative party line of big government, out-of-control foreign policy, and Jeebotarded wedge issues that average Americans aren't interested in anymore, tbh....

[angrydude]

The neocons are the problem. They took the "moderate" position in the GOP. Today to be a moderate in the GOP is to be a neocon. The problem is America hates neocon policies. The only way any other voice or opinion can be heard is by saying or doing extreme things, otherwise you are just ignored. You throw in neocons being crazy like michelle bachman and it all becomes one giant mass of confusion.

[ElNono]

Are they as bad as the likes of Bachmann? No, marginally less so.... but really, they're all trotting out the same neoconservative party line of big government, out-of-control foreign policy, and Jeebotarded wedge issues that average Americans aren't interested in anymore, tbh....

They're simply much more palatable to moderates. If people thought voting Palin was a liability, how appealing you think Bachman is to a moderate? :lol


The neocons are the problem. They took the "moderate" position in the GOP. Today to be a moderate in the GOP is to be a neocon. The problem is America hates neocon policies. The only way any other voice or opinion can be heard is by saying or doing extreme things, otherwise you are just ignored. You throw in neocons being crazy like michelle bachman and it all becomes one giant mass of confusion.

They didn't "take" that position. They simply ended up there because of the batshit-crazy (Bachman, Santorum, Cruz, etc) wing cropped up, thinking that going further right was what was needed. Now it's tearing the party apart.

[boutons_deux]

Lots absolutely crazy shit, slander, lies, fantasies coming out of the Values Voters meeting, as usual.

[Clipper Nation]

They're simply much more palatable to moderates.
Not really, tbh.... the entire party (including the so-called "moderates") is at a record-low favorability rating right now, and "moderates" like McCain and Willard got their asses handed to them by Obama....

And let's be real, what these so-called "moderate" politicians in the GOP want is no different from what the Tea Party wants - bloated government, a nanny state, favors for their crook lobbyist pals, a constantly-growing military, fiat money, Jeebotarded laws on wedge issues, and less liberties for the average American - the only real difference being the way they choose to express themselves.... to claim that the Tea Party is "too far right" just doesn't reflect the truth, because the actual right wing involves small and limited government, not the bloated mess the GOP wants....

[angrydude]

They're simply much more palatable to moderates. If people thought voting Palin was a liability, how appealing you think Bachman is to a moderate? :lol



They didn't "take" that position. They simply ended up there because of the batshit-crazy (Bachman, Santorum, Cruz, etc) wing cropped up, thinking that going further right was what was needed. Now it's tearing the party apart.


They did take it. Their names are Charles Krauthammer and Billy Kristol. They appear everyday on fox news programs pretending to be nice moderate reasonable republicans when in fact they stand for everything evil and vile in the world.

[ElNono]

They did take it. Their names are Charles Krauthammer and Billy Kristol. They appear everyday on fox news programs pretending to be nice moderate reasonable republicans when in fact they stand for everything evil and vile in the world.

I don't really watch Fox, so I couldn't tell you. The few times the dial was there, I thought most of them ran the usual white/religion/libtards schtick to the ground in like a minute though.

I'm talking about neocon politicos themselves. Guys like McCain, McConnell, Christie, etc.

[ElNono]

Not really, tbh.... the entire party (including the so-called "moderates") is at a record-low favorability rating right now, and "moderates" like McCain and Willard got their asses handed to them by Obama....

But that has a lot more to do with the fact that the republican platform mysteriously thinks they have to pander to the crazy base instead of the moderate voter, when they know that even if they have to close their nose before voting, they're getting the base votes anyways. It's basically what did Romney in. You can trace his major fuckups to the "47% takers" comment, the "chucking Medicare to anyone under 50" and "self-deportation". Strategically, they're indeed the stupid party right now.

And that was a neocon candidate. Can you imagine if they go for one of the crazies from the get go? As soon as they mention killing Social Security, it's over.


And let's be real, what these so-called "moderate" politicians in the GOP want is no different from what the Tea Party wants - bloated government, a nanny state, favors for their crook lobbyist pals, a constantly-growing military, fiat money, Jeebotarded laws on wedge issues, and less liberties for the average American - the only real difference being the way they choose to express themselves.... to claim that the Tea Party is "too far right" just doesn't reflect the truth, because the actual right wing involves small and limited government, not the bloated mess the GOP wants....

But that's basically the modern Dems platform too, replacing the jeebotard part with, say, gun control. And moderate voters do vote for them. It's simply because Dems don't go out there and outright insult different voter segments. The stupidity and out of touch with the GOP right now is amazing. How could you miss appealing to hispanics, which are largely christian, fairly devout and massively voted for a guy like dubya? You start talking about "self-deportation". I mean, fucking facepalm.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But that has a lot more to do with the fact that the republican platform mysteriously thinks they have to pander to the crazy base instead of the moderate voter, when they know that even if they have to close their nose before voting, they're getting the base votes anyways.

In a whole lot of districts and especially a heavily gerrymandered districts you have to pander to the crazy base if they want to win the primary or election. David Dewhurst knows all about that.

[angrydude]

I don't really watch Fox, so I couldn't tell you. The few times the dial was there, I thought most of them ran the usual white/religion/libtards schtick to the ground in like a minute though.

I'm talking about neocon politicos themselves. Guys like McCain, McConnell, Christie, etc.

Politicians aren't opinion makers. They're followers. Things like the "Weekly Standard" are extremely influential with those who consider themselves the "intellectual class" of the GOP.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

to claim that the Tea Party is "too far right" just doesn't reflect the truth, because the actual right wing involves small and limited government, not the bloated mess the GOP wants....

Come on, man "actual right wing' Really??!?

Right wing does not mean liberty and small government necessarily. The nazi party is considered by many to be right wing. That in no way is to say that you are comparable. I am just saying that to point out the difference.

If I were to describe your positions, it would be isolationist and anti-establishment. The US has been 'big government' since the new deal. That is the establishment to conserve. That last time the GOP held your views, Herbert Hoover was winning the White House at the tail end of laissez faire.

[pgardn]

Politicians aren't opinion makers. They're followers. Things like the "Weekly Standard" are extremely influential with those who consider themselves the "intellectual class" of the GOP.

The tea party was clearly a grass roots movement. This group did not rise from a compliant sector. But the platform that involves tearing government apart, this nihilistic attitude of destroy, provides no solutions. They want less government involvement in what aspects of government? Everything? On the heals of big investment firms almost freezing the flow of cash in the US? The Treasury dpt. having to pull us out of the mess that big private firms got us into? And in a verydivisive manner. The tea party does not believe ANY intervention was necessary, and that's just nuts.

They have no solutions. There never was a health care problem because most of these mad old white people were getting money from the government thru Medicare. Me, Myself and I... We can overspend on Medicare and they are fine. Narrow minded twits.

[boutons_deux]

"tea party was clearly a grass roots movement"

tea party is clearly an astro turf FRINGE movement, financed and inflamed by Kock Bros and other VRWC orgs for their own enrichment, not for the benefit of duped astro turfers on the bottom.

"We can overspend on Medicare"

damn, you're stupid. Medicare and actual health care aren't the problem AT ALL.

The problem is for-profit, gouging corporate health care PRICES that make Medicare and Medicaid expensive.

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[Clipper Nation]

Come on, man "actual right wing' Really??!?

Right wing does not mean liberty and small government necessarily.
That's what it used to mean here, tbh....


If I were to describe your positions, it would be isolationist and anti-establishment.
:lol Isolationist? The real isolationism is our current foreign policy, which has ruined our reputation abroad.... non-interventionism is not isolationism, tbh....

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's what it used to mean here, tbh....


:lol Isolationist? The real isolationism is our current foreign policy, which has ruined our reputation abroad.... non-interventionism is not isolationism, tbh....

around here all manner of stupidity and ignorance is tossed back and forth, tbh.

Non-interventionism is isolationism. You do not intervene in the affairs of other countries. The isolationists in the first and second WW didn't want us to intervene in those conflicts. It has its roots in the Monroe Doctrine whereby we stay on our side if they stay on their side of the Atlantic.

We are still close to our NATO allies especially with this new president, African nations have their hate centered around Europe and the ICC. Our relations in Asia have been good. Normalized relations with Vietnam lately, China and us our the worlds leading trade partners, Japan, etc. The Arab world is going to hate us since the UK gave Israel to the Jews and we will not let them blow them up and let them have nuclear weapons. We have been fighting Saracens for a millennium.

I'm not saying that your positions do not have merit. I disagree on some points but that is just what it is. I am just saying that you are more similar to 19th century rural populism than you do to the American right for the last 100 years

[pgardn]

"tea party was clearly a grass roots movement"

tea party is clearly an astro turf FRINGE movement, financed and inflamed by Kock Bros and other VRWC orgs for their own enrichment, not for the benefit of duped astro turfers on the bottom.

"We can overspend on Medicare"

damn, you're stupid. Medicare and actual health care aren't the problem AT ALL.

The problem is for-profit, gouging corporate health care PRICES that make Medicare and Medicaid expensive.




If you don't understand your enemy...
The tea party was grass roots and then funded (many factions distrusted big money)
If you can't admit there is significant distrust of government in this country you are lost.

So the fact that the baby boomers are aging is insignificant?
I could go on and on... We don't have a nonprofit health care system, so deal with the present.
This is the problem with the simple world of the ideologue. The house is on fire and you ponder upon how the fire got started.

[boutons_deux]

If you don't understand your enemy...
The tea party was grass roots and then funded (many factions distrusted big money)
If you can't admit there is significant distrust of government in this country you are lost.

So the fact that the baby boomers are aging is insignificant?
I could go on and on... We don't have a nonprofit health care system, so deal with the present.
This is the problem with the simple world of the ideologue. The house is on fire and you ponder upon how the fire got started.

distrust of govt is for ignorant assholes. Govt is necessary, and it makes the country go 'round ast austerity of the sequester and shutdown have proven that "invisible" govt operations actually grease the economy.

To deflect criticism from themselves to govt(which they own), corporations and Kock Bros types have fomented a hate of govt, when in fact the problem is corrupted, compromised govt agencies, politicians doing the bidding of their corporate financiers. So YOU distrusting govt rather the the 1% and big corps that run govt shows you have no clue what causes the fire.

"limited govt" is another CORPORATE objective to kill EPA, OSHA, etc. so the corporations can fuck people and the envirnoment and the economy to the corporations' profit.

The "spending out of control" bullshit is really background for cutting taxes (which doesn't stimulate jobs or economic growth) on the 1% and big corporations, while visiting austerity on and increasing taxes on the 47% mooches and takes so they got more "skin in the game".

The tea baggers actually win with the shutdown and Treasury default because those fuckups increase the disgust with govt. But politically the tea baggers and Repugs are facing electoral disaster.

How do you, self-proclaimed anti-idealogue, propose to "deal with the present" of wealth sucking of the for-profit health care system?

[pgardn]

How do you, self-proclaimed anti-idealogue, propose to "deal with the present" of wealth sucking of the for-profit health care system?

This is a huge complicated problem. And I am far from an expert like you.

My first idea would be to make health insurance like other forms of insurance in that they protect the individual from catastrophic events. People need to pay for office visits and other minor expenses, as compared to major problems involving surgery and hospitalization. However, I realize that even office visits are very expensive for poorer people. This might make them less likely to go to the doctor, or take their kids, which might lead to catastrophic care becoming more common. People more knowledgable than I have some ideas how to take care of this.

Secondly, I am of the opinion that doctors, on the whole, make too much money. Primary care could be handed off to PAs more often. The "doc in the box" business is quite good for minor problems. Many folks with insurance use these for minor stitching, antibiotics for 2ndary infections, etc... already because it's fast and relatively inexpensive. This completely bypasses insurance companies so there must be a way.

Insurance companies, doctors, and Pharma, are not, on the whole, hurting. Hospitals are either raping people, and or insurance companies, or going under, or profiting off of tax payers. The interaction between these essential parts of free market medical treatment needs to be made clearer to the American people. There are parts of this interaction that benefit all of these essential pieces but hurt health care. These need to be brought to the forefront, not hidden by a president and congress. We have a deal currently that has hidden built in profit that does not help health care. People must be made to come clean. I don't know how this is done. I also understand that fear of lawsuits drive up expenses.

And probably the biggest factor is education. So many people have no clue as to how their body works and how to take care of it. And they certainly can't take care of their children. It is here that I meet the age old quandary of how much individual responsibility is necessary.