Building a ~$1,000 gaming PC

[RandomGuy]

Upgrading the solid state memory in my MacBook Pro. Think I'm gonna pass on the helpful kit.

https://i.ibb.co/5RVwW4Z/Screen-Shot-2019-12-05-at-1-21-52-AM-1.jpg

:tu

I went all in on SDDs when they got reasonable, and haven't regretted it. My gaming rig (tower) uses SDDs for the games I play the most and are the heaviest on storage, and the rest go on the 1TB HDD I bought as an archive drive.

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Tons of good videos on all the different kinds and specs of drives as well as helpful stuff on how to actually physically mount them. FWIW. (I definitely needed the help)

[baseline bum]

yeah, I may "gift" myself a heavy duty RAM upgrade this year.


Why the desire for a RAM upgrade? What do you have in your system now?

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol just manage to grab a cheap ryzen 3600x and msi b450 gaming atx mobo for 300aud = 206USD

now just need to buy the rest of the parts to make the system

im confused with the m2 variations, theres m2 and theres nvm2..whats the difference?.. the mobo only has 1 m2 slot which supports nvm2, which version ssd shoud i buy?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Hell nah.. too dated. My 3570k @ 4.5 Ghz was still pretty good for a lot of things, but it really started to show it's age in certain applications. I went 9600K and Z397 a while back and it was a massive increase

my main rig is still using i5-3470 ...i think i shouldve just upgraded the gpu and ssd get a few more years out of it at 1080p gaming..

but just manage to grab a bargain for 3600 and mobo...so going all in with upgrade

[baseline bum]

my main rig is still using i5-3470 ...i think i shouldve just upgraded the gpu and ssd get a few more years out of it at 1080p gaming..

but just manage to grab a bargain for 3600 and mobo...so going all in with upgrade

Meh a 4c/4t i5-3470 is a trash gaming cpu in 2020, even the 4c/8t i7 are barely hanging on now. The 3600x is a pretty fucking badass chip though, AMD is absolutely killing it in the cpu market to the point the only Intel chip that's really worth buying for gamers anymore is the i9-9900k if they're willing to spend $500.

[TDMVPDPOY]

need help real quick

didnt know the amd cpu doesnt have a plate on top like previous cpus, so it was glued with the hsf, i tried removing it both..so unscrew the hsf and yanked it out, it pulled the cpu out of the socket also, now it has a few bent pins... that i think i can fix DIY razorblade bending it back

currently i dont have a hdd, but can i power it on and get into bios to setup the settings without the need of any hdd atm?

[ElNono]

need help real quick

didnt know the amd cpu doesnt have a plate on top like previous cpus, so it was glued with the hsf, i tried removing it both..so unscrew the hsf and yanked it out, it pulled the cpu out of the socket also, now it has a few bent pins... that i think i can fix DIY razorblade bending it back

currently i dont have a hdd, but can i power it on and get into bios to setup the settings without the need of any hdd atm?

you stupid kent... yes, you can boot the machine without an hdd

[baseline bum]

you stupid kent... yes, you can boot the machine without an hdd

Not if he bent the pins though, he fucked that shit up good.

[RandomGuy]

Why the desire for a RAM upgrade? What do you have in your system now?

16GB. Dunno seems about time.

Put in money every once in a while to beef up the machine. Those empty RAM slots are crying out for something. :D

[baseline bum]

16GB. Dunno seems about time.

Put in money every once in a while to beef up the machine. Those empty RAM slots are crying out for something. :D

Well, RAM is half the price that it was last year so it's a good time to buy. But are you ever close to running out of RAM on 16GB? I run 16GB myself and only ever get near 16GB usage if I have like 50 tabs of Chrome open with maybe fifteen of them youtube videos and then another say watching the Spurs game streaming form Spectrum.

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/EETiJ3mp2dY

[TDMVPDPOY]

https://youtu.be/EETiJ3mp2dY

55K FOR MACPRO, YET NO FKN MONITOR? gtfo apple

[ElNono]

Apple gotta be trolling at this point. Is it because they build those in the US?

10k alone will buy you the best PC money can buy these days

[baseline bum]

Wow AMD built their POS Radeon 5500 / 5500 XT cards to only use 8 PCIE lanes, which seems to handicap the 8GB Radeon 5500 XT when used on a PCIE-3.0 board (which the vast majority of gamers have) vs new PCIE-4.0 boards.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EDJXISD6RY

[vander]

man, AMD drivers really do suck. I thought since the 5700xt has been out for almost half a year they'd have it figured out by now
but no, I'm still getting the ol' black screen issue, and games crashing at launch, also had a few times where it just had a seizure in game but eventually recovered...

[baseline bum]

man, AMD drivers really do suck. I thought since the 5700xt has been out for almost half a year they'd have it figured out by now
but no, I'm still getting the ol' black screen issue, and games crashing at launch, also had a few times where it just had a seizure in game but eventually recovered...

Fuck. Which 5700 XT do you have?

[vander]

Fuck. Which 5700 XT do you have?

Sapphire pulse, supposed to be one of the better ones

[baseline bum]

Sapphire pulse, supposed to be one of the better ones

That sucks, none of the reviews I saw mentioned that shit. Damn I'd return it then and get a 2060 Super or 2070 Super, assuming stability for those two I guess too though.

[vander]

That sucks, none of the reviews I saw mentioned that shit. Damn I'd return it then and get a 2060 Super or 2070 Super, assuming stability for those two I guess too though.

nah, I'm all about supporting AMD with this PC. The Intel/Nvidia monopolies were not good for the consumer.
and there are plenty of complaints about the blank screen on the AMD support threads on reddit, AMD definitely knows about it, I'm sure they'll get it figured out soon

[baseline bum]

nah, I'm all about supporting AMD with this PC. The Intel/Nvidia monopolies were not good for the consumer.
and there are plenty of complaints about the blank screen on the AMD support threads on reddit, AMD definitely knows about it, I'm sure they'll get it figured out soon

I'm loving seeing AMD back on top on cpus after how long Intel kept the desktop consumer market stuck on quadcores from Nehalem to Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge to Haswell to Haswell Refresh to Broadwell to Skylake to Kaby Lake. God, eight generations of cpus with just minimal advancements, all for the same price. Gotta give Lisa Su so much credit for cleaning up the mess Rory left behind. Before Ryzen AMD looked like they were going to be really likely to go bankrupt in 2019 when they had some huge interest payments due, but now I think they're inching back up to 20% of the cpu market like in their prime in the Athlon XP days. And that was when Intel was putting out complete dogshit (Pentium 4 and RDRAM were fucking garbage), while Intel still has a passable product today. So really tells you how good Ryzen is to get that marketshare with a credible competitor and not just a brand name they're going against like in the early 2000s.

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Decided on making a new build after all. Already got the mobo, ssd and a cpu cooler. Waiting for a deal on the 3700x now and whenever that happens will get the rams along with it. Video card I'm thinking 1660 super but not sure yet (20XX/5700 are out of the question, way too expensive in poorland tbh)

[ElNono]

I upgraded my gtx960 at home with a RTX2060 Super. Hate one of the fans make a bit of noise, but other than that, solid card.

EDIT: this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07V1Q4L2Z

[baseline bum]

Decided on making a new build after all. Already got the mobo, ssd and a cpu cooler. Waiting for a deal on the 3700x now and whenever that happens will get the rams along with it. Video card I'm thinking 1660 super but not sure yet (20XX/5700 are out of the question, way too expensive in poorland tbh)

Would you save much going Ryzen 5 3600 that could go to the gpu? It might be a little more balanced build then. I'm a little worried about its long term prognosis being 6C/12T while the consoles are 8C/16T, but you'd also probably be running it at about a 34% higher clock than the PS5 is rumored to run. Eg R5 3600 are supposed to be able to run 4.3 GHz while PS5 is rumored to be a 3.2 GHz Ryzen 2 cpu. I'd probably still spend the extra for the 8 core chip, especially because gpus still seem so overpriced right now.

What gpu are you running right now? Another thing you might consider is there are a lot of rumors of AMD announcing and releasing a 5600 XT this month to fill the gaping hole in their $200 to $300 US segment that is currently dominated by the GTX 1660 Super. On paper it's suspected it'll be faster than the GTX 1660 Ti from specs leaked from Asrock. Even if you don't want to buy AMD, Nvidia has been creating tons of cards at different segments so it wouldn't surprise me to see them launch a GTX 1660 Ti Super that's just a GTX 1660 Ti with an upgrade to 14Gbps GDDR6, or maybe a $50 price cut to the original RTX 2060 (non-Super) to get it to $300 US. Nvidia legitimately has 13 cards this gen. From top to bottom: Titan, 2080 Ti, 2080 Super, 2080, 2070 Super, 2070, 2060 Super, 2060, 1660 Ti, 1660 Super, 1660, 1650 Super, 1650.

Also there are rumors of Ampere cards launching around summer. I forgot the name of the show in June, but they have done launches there before. Though they also usually launch 70 and 80 series cards first, and you can bet those will be expensive because AMD doesn't have shit in the high end on gpus. Kind of looks like they're holding big Navi back for the second gen 7nm process. AMD's best card right now is actually pretty small die: eg 5700 XT at 251mm^2. Which is perverse seeing a die that small selling for $400, but it's competitive with the $500 RTX 2070 Super and that's the overpriced gpu market right now.

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Would you save much going Ryzen 5 3600 that could go to the gpu? It might be a little more balanced build then. I'm a little worried about its long term prognosis being 6C/12T while the consoles are 8C/16T, but you'd also probably be running it at about a 34% higher clock than the PS5 is rumored to run. Eg R5 3600 are supposed to be able to run 4.3 GHz while PS5 is rumored to be a 3.2 GHz Ryzen 2 cpu. I'd probably still spend the extra for the 8 core chip, especially because gpus still seem so overpriced right now.
Yeah I could do that but as you said I do get worried about it long term. But maybe between having to replace in the future a cpu or a gpu I guess a cpu will be more affordable so it's something to consider


What gpu are you running right now? Another thing you might consider is there are a lot of rumors of AMD announcing and releasing a 5600 XT this month to fill the gaping hole in their $200 to $300 US segment that is currently dominated by the GTX 1660 Super. On paper it's suspected it'll be faster than the GTX 1660 Ti from specs leaked from Asrock. Even if you don't want to buy AMD, Nvidia has been creating tons of cards at different segments so it wouldn't surprise me to see them launch a GTX 1660 Ti Super that's just a GTX 1660 Ti with an upgrade to 14Gbps GDDR6, or maybe a $50 price cut to the original RTX 2060 (non-Super) to get it to $300 US. Nvidia legitimately has 13 cards this gen. From top to bottom: Titan, 2080 Ti, 2080 Super, 2080, 2070 Super, 2070, 2060 Super, 2060, 1660 Ti, 1660 Super, 1660, 1650 Super, 1650.

Also there are rumors of Ampere cards launching around summer. I forgot the name of the show in June, but they have done launches there before. Though they also usually launch 70 and 80 series cards first, and you can bet those will be expensive because AMD doesn't have shit in the high end on gpus. Kind of looks like they're holding big Navi back for the second gen 7nm process. AMD's best card right now is actually pretty small die: eg 5700 XT at 251mm^2. Which is perverse seeing a die that small selling for $400, but it's competitive with the $500 RTX 2070 Super and that's the overpriced gpu market right now.
A R9 280x :lol

Didn't know about the 5600 XT, that's good news tbh :tu I do worry that it might have the same pci issue as the 5500 though, hopefully not

[baseline bum]

Yeah I could do that but as you said I do get worried about it long term. But maybe between having to replace in the future a cpu or a gpu I guess a cpu will be more affordable so it's something to consider


A R9 280x :lol

Didn't know about the 5600 XT, that's good news tbh :tu I do worry that it might have the same pci issue as the 5500 though, hopefully not

R9 280x is definitely pretty dated by today's standards, a little better than 1050 Ti today I think. I really hate this gpu market this year and you'd be buying near the end of the Turing generation, which is a terrible time to buy IMO. But running a 280x is going to make your new PC feel like shit in gaming so I can understand wanting to go with something like 1660 Super that would be a little more than a 2x upgrade in performance. I do think anything less than RX 5700 8GB is going to age pretty badly in the next few years with decently sourced rumors that PS5 will be using an RX 5700 XT equivalent gpu. When I buy a gpu I like to get something I think I won't want to replace for 3-4 years, and honestly there is nothing on the market lower than the $500 RTX 2070 Super that I would be confident in still being reasonably high quality by 2023-24. RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT would be ideal if they had hardware RT support that Sony claims will be in PS5. No way it'll be anywhere near as good as Nvidia's RT though since Nvidia has huge parts of the chip dedicated to RT. Though I honestly hope RT doesn't catch on this console gen because it would certainly mean 30 fps games instead of 60 fps on the consoles.

Just a fucking weird time to buy a gpu and know how much life you'll get out of it. If the 9.2 TFLOPS gpu in PS5 turns out to be bullshit then GTX 1660 Super all of a sudden looks like a much better buy. But we might not find official info on the console gpus until February at the earliest, or maybe even as late as E3. Buying a gpu right before a new console gen has historically been a great way to overspend, and with gpu prices what they are right now it doesn't look like this time is any different honestly. Though another wrench to throw in is that GDDR6 prices are forecast to jump another 5% this year due to demand from the PS5 and next XBox, so if AMD's RDNA2 doesn't bring some huge price to performance gains this year we could see Ampere creep the price up even more from Turing.

Also I doubt 5600 XT will be an 8PCIE lane gpu like 5500 XT. If it is no one is going to buy 5600 XT. It would be completely unacceptable in the performance tier 5600 XT appears to be targeting, which is between Vega 56 and GTX 1070 Ti.

[baseline bum]

I upgraded my gtx960 at home with a RTX2060 Super. Hate one of the fans make a bit of noise, but other than that, solid card.

EDIT: this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07V1Q4L2Z

Are you confident 2060 Super is going to hold on as a reasonably good gpu for the next say 3-4 years? By that I mean playing AAA games and getting a nearly locked 60 fps at 1080p without having to drop settings below say the high preset that usually corresponds to console level settings in AAA games. I really hate to be in that no man's land when you're only getting around 45 fps and the frames are jumping from one being displayed for two screen refreshes, the next for one screen refresh, then the next for two refreshes, then the next for one, the next for two, and so on, which is how 45 fps would run with VSync on a 60 Hz screen, right?

When I got my 970 in late 2014 it was nice because it was just put shit on 1080p ultra and forget it for the first couple of years except in a couple of special cases, like Crysis 3 I'd have to run high and Witcher 3 I'd have to turn off hairworks. Then year 3 it was mostly put settings on high and forget it. Year 4 I'd have to start tweaking settings from high to get 60 fps, and by 2019 I'd have to move a lot of stuff to medium, especially global illumination in games like Resident Evil 2. Considering 1080p is kind of a scrub resolution in 2020, do you think RTX 2060 Super would be likely to offer a similar experience? Even chopping a year off my 970 experience would be fine, as that was a much longer lasting gpu than I thought it would be when I bought it.

[ElNono]

I needed a card I could run DXR on, and the 960 didn’t cut it. I already have a RTX2080Ti at work, so I wanted to get something similar that would fit on my mini itx. Plus NVidia dev tools are starting to drop support for older cards.

I’ve been playing games on the PS4 Pro, tbh, haven’t really played a game on the PC in a long time. To answer your question, I don’t think it will, there’s extremely simple ways to bring down any card to it’s knees with ray tracing, even if you’re doing a hybrid approach and only using RT for shadows/reflections, which are probably the biggest visual improvements outside of global illumination, and I expect to be the new gfx standard.

[baseline bum]

I needed a card I could run DXR on, and the 960 didn’t cut it. I already have a RTX2080Ti at work, so I wanted to get something similar that would fit on my mini itx. Plus NVidia dev tools are starting to drop support for older cards.

I’ve been playing games on the PS4 Pro, tbh, haven’t really played a game on the PC in a long time. To answer your question, I don’t think it will, there’s extremely simple ways to bring down any card to it’s knees with ray tracing, even if you’re doing a hybrid approach and only using RT for shadows/reflections, which are probably the biggest visual improvements outside of global illumination, and I expect to be the new gfx standard.

Blech, ~$450 for a card I'll want to replace in a couple of years? Guess I'll skip PC gaming for at least a couple of years.

[DJR210]

Are you confident 2060 Super is going to hold on as a reasonably good gpu for the next say 3-4 years? By that I mean playing AAA games and getting a nearly locked 60 fps at 1080p without having to drop settings below say the high preset that usually corresponds to console level settings in AAA games. I really hate to be in that no man's land when you're only getting around 45 fps and the frames are jumping from one being displayed for two screen refreshes, the next for one screen refresh, then the next for two refreshes, then the next for one, the next for two, and so on, which is how 45 fps would run with VSync on a 60 Hz screen, right?

When I got my 970 in late 2014 it was nice because it was just put shit on 1080p ultra and forget it for the first couple of years except in a couple of special cases, like Crysis 3 I'd have to run high and Witcher 3 I'd have to turn off hairworks. Then year 3 it was mostly put settings on high and forget it. Year 4 I'd have to start tweaking settings from high to get 60 fps, and by 2019 I'd have to move a lot of stuff to medium, especially global illumination in games like Resident Evil 2. Considering 1080p is kind of a scrub resolution in 2020, do you think RTX 2060 Super would be likely to offer a similar experience? Even chopping a year off my 970 experience would be fine, as that was a much longer lasting gpu than I thought it would be when I bought it.

The biggest drain on the GPU for me with RE2 was the damn texture sizes.. I would run within the 6GB of my GPU and it still sucked nuts, and I really couldn't tell a difference

[baseline bum]

Damn, Tom's Hardware is reporting Ampere on 7nm could provide double the performance of Turing at half the power consumption. That could completely rape PS5 and the next XBox.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-ampere-purportedly-50-faster-than-turing-at-half-the-power-consumption?_ga=2.187708072.1670882806.1570982739-504901614.1451162300

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Decided to go with the ryzen 5 1600 AF (it's basically at stock a slightly underclocked 2600 at like 70% of the price but you can OC it to 4.2) and put more money into the GPU, still not sure which one though. Might wait for the 5600xt to drop tbh

[baseline bum]

Decided to go with the ryzen 5 1600 AF (it's basically at stock a slightly underclocked 2600 at like 70% of the price but you can OC it to 4.2) and put more money into the GPU, still not sure which one though. Might wait for the 5600xt to drop tbh

You already buy it? 5600 XT ended up getting a $279 MSRP in the US, which is kind of shitty since you can find RX 5700 for $299 at times out here and the 5600 XT is a cutdown 5700 with 2GB less VRAM. RTX 2060 looks like it's about to be given a $50 paycut in the US since EVGA was showing off a $299 RTX 2060 at CES.

[TDMVPDPOY]

You already buy it? 5600 XT ended up getting a $279 MSRP in the US, which is kind of shitty since you can find RX 5700 for $299 at times out here and the 5600 XT is a cutdown 5700 with 2GB less VRAM. RTX 2060 looks like it's about to be given a $50 paycut in the US since EVGA was showing off a $299 RTX 2060 at CES.

avoid the amd gpus, heard they still have driver issues...

[baseline bum]

avoid the amd gpus, heard they still have driver issues...

And Nvidia has super overpriced gpu issues. Kind of fucked either way.

[140]

You already buy it? 5600 XT ended up getting a $279 MSRP in the US, which is kind of shitty since you can find RX 5700 for $299 at times out here and the 5600 XT is a cutdown 5700 with 2GB less VRAM. RTX 2060 looks like it's about to be given a $50 paycut in the US since EVGA was showing off a $299 RTX 2060 at CES.

Nope still haven't bought it, and didn't mean necessarily that I'm planning on getting the 5600xt, more like just wait to see how it affects the market tbh. But if what you say happens which one do you reckon is the better deal, 2060 or 5700?

[baseline bum]

Nope still haven't bought it, and didn't mean necessarily that I'm planning on getting the 5600xt, more like just wait to see how it affects the market tbh. But if what you say happens which one do you reckon is the better deal, 2060 or 5700?

I mean did you buy the cpu already? There is a pretty significant difference in IPC between the Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 5 1600 that isn't explained away just by the 17% difference in clockspeed.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/3481vs2984

The Ryzen 3000 series is basically when AMD was finally able to tell Intel to go back home and fuck their mother some more. AMD hasn't had a cpu line as dominant as Ryzen 3000 series since the Athlon XP days when they were curbstomping the Pentium 4.

[140]

I mean did you buy the cpu already? There is a pretty significant difference in IPC between the Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 5 1600 that isn't explained away just by the 17% difference in clockspeed.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/3481vs2984

The Ryzen 3000 series is basically when AMD was finally able to tell Intel to go back home and fuck their mother some more. AMD hasn't had a cpu line as dominant as Ryzen 3000 series since the Athlon XP days when they were curbstomping the Pentium 4.

Yeah got the cpu already but tbh you should be making the comparison between the 3600 and the 2600 since the 1600AF is 12nm zen+ architecture (as I said is basically a slightly underclocked 2600). I know there was a big jump in performance from 2000 to 3000 series but I felt a 2600 at like 70% of its price was just too good of a deal to pass on tbh, think I rather ride it for a few years and upgrade to a 3000/4000 down the line when they are cheaper and put the extra money on the gpu right now.

[baseline bum]

Nope still haven't bought it, and didn't mean necessarily that I'm planning on getting the 5600xt, more like just wait to see how it affects the market tbh. But if what you say happens which one do you reckon is the better deal, 2060 or 5700?

Personally I'd likely take the RX 5700 over the RTX 2060 if they're the same price. It's usually faster than the 2060 and also has 2GB more VRAM. But the RTX 2060 has hardware raytracing while the 5700 doesn't. Generally the 2060 isn't powerful enough to use RT in games, but I'm going to guess console RT won't be nearly as good as Nvidia's RT, so maybe you'll see more lightweight RT in games designed to run on the consoles next gen? I don't know. It's really hard to pick a gpu right now with the uncertainty about the consoles, about the role RT will play, etc.

RX 5700 is a slightly cut down version of the RX 5700 XT that seems to be what recent leaks peg the PS5 as having. Also if you end up getting an RX 5700 with dual BIOS you might consider flashing an RX 5700 XT BIOS on to one of the BIOS on your dual BIOS RX 5700, which will allow you to really overclock the living fuck out of your 5700 to 5700 XT level clocks and power consumption.

But you can ask vander, these cards have some real driver problems. I think AMD will sort them out (you should have seen how shitty Nvidia's drivers were for the 2060 / 2070 / 2080 / 2080 Ti when they came out).

[vander]

Personally I'd likely take the RX 5700 over the RTX 2060 if they're the same price. It's usually faster than the 2060 and also has 2GB more VRAM. But the RTX 2060 has hardware raytracing while the 5700 doesn't. Generally the 2060 isn't powerful enough to use RT in games, but I'm going to guess console RT won't be nearly as good as Nvidia's RT, so maybe you'll see more lightweight RT in games designed to run on the consoles next gen? I don't know. It's really hard to pick a gpu right now with the uncertainty about the consoles, about the role RT will play, etc.

RX 5700 is a slightly cut down version of the RX 5700 XT that seems to be what recent leaks peg the PS5 as having. Also if you end up getting an RX 5700 with dual BIOS you might consider flashing an RX 5700 XT BIOS on to one of the BIOS on your dual BIOS RX 5700, which will allow you to really overclock the living fuck out of your 5700 to 5700 XT level clocks and power consumption.

But you can ask vander, these cards have some real driver problems. I think AMD will sort them out (you should have seen how shitty Nvidia's drivers were for the 2060 / 2070 / 2080 / 2080 Ti when they came out).

haven't had any crashing or much stuttering as of late, but every time I run Outer Worlds I get blank screen. I have to windows key out, screen wakes up, go to Radeon software, and toggle GPU scaling, doesn't matter if it's on or off, just has to be toggled :lol

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Personally I'd likely take the RX 5700 over the RTX 2060 if they're the same price. It's usually faster than the 2060 and also has 2GB more VRAM. But the RTX 2060 has hardware raytracing while the 5700 doesn't. Generally the 2060 isn't powerful enough to use RT in games, but I'm going to guess console RT won't be nearly as good as Nvidia's RT, so maybe you'll see more lightweight RT in games designed to run on the consoles next gen? I don't know. It's really hard to pick a gpu right now with the uncertainty about the consoles, about the role RT will play, etc.

RX 5700 is a slightly cut down version of the RX 5700 XT that seems to be what recent leaks peg the PS5 as having. Also if you end up getting an RX 5700 with dual BIOS you might consider flashing an RX 5700 XT BIOS on to one of the BIOS on your dual BIOS RX 5700, which will allow you to really overclock the living fuck out of your 5700 to 5700 XT level clocks and power consumption.

But you can ask vander (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7457), these cards have some real driver problems. I think AMD will sort them out (you should have seen how shitty Nvidia's drivers were for the 2060 / 2070 / 2080 / 2080 Ti when they came out).
That's pretty interesting. Tough honestly I'm starting to consider if it's not best to get the best bang for buck card right now (for 1080p) ala 1660 super and see how things plays out since even if I get a 2060 super I might have to replace it in a few years anyway (as per nono)

[baseline bum]

That's pretty interesting. Tough honestly I'm starting to consider if it's not best to get the best bang for buck card right now (for 1080p) ala 1660 super and see how things plays out since even if I get a 2060 super I might have to replace it in a few years anyway (as per nono)

I don't know prices where you're at, but 1660 Super doesn't really get discounts while RX 5700 does in the US, which makes the price to performance nearly identical for them here when you shop around. But yeah, I can see going conservative on gpu right now since we're at the end of a pretty lackluster gpu generation. 1660 Super is still a huge upgrade over R9 280x and sufficient for a really good experience on any game out right now. RDR2 requires some heavy tweaking, but that game is almost like the Crysis of this generation for PC gaming.

[140]

I don't know prices where you're at, but 1660 Super doesn't really get discounts while RX 5700 does in the US, which makes the price to performance nearly identical for them here when you shop around. But yeah, I can see going conservative on gpu right now since we're at the end of a pretty lackluster gpu generation. 1660 Super is still a huge upgrade over R9 280x and sufficient for a really good experience on any game out right now. RDR2 requires some heavy tweaking, but that game is almost like the Crysis of this generation for PC gaming.

Yeah guess its a different market, haven't seen any significant discounts on 5700s around here so far but have seen 1660S on some good deals being priced just above a rx 590 for example. Might go for one the next time i see it but don't mind waiting a bit really

[baseline bum]

Yeah guess its a different market, haven't seen any significant discounts on 5700s around here so far but have seen 1660S on some good deals being priced just above a rx 590 for example. Might go for one the next time i see it but don't mind waiting a bit really

That's funny considering 1660 Super is about 15-20% more powerful at 30% lower power consumption than the 590.

[baseline bum]

Sources: Horizon: Zero Dawn Is Coming To PC (https://kotaku.com/sources-horizon-zero-dawn-is-coming-to-pc-1841043569)

Jason Schreier
39 minutes ago

The PlayStation 4 exclusive Horizon: Zero Dawn will come to personal computers this year, sources tell Kotaku. It’s an unprecedented move for Sony that signals a future in which the publisher releases games on platforms beyond its own consoles.

This news comes from three people familiar with Sony’s plans, all speaking anonymously because they were not authorized to talk to press. Sony did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Horizon: Zero Dawn, an open-world game set in a post-apocalyptic version of the United States that has been overrun by robot dinosaurs, launched for PS4 in February 2017. It was critically acclaimed and commercially successful for its developer, Guerrilla Games, which is owned and operated by Sony. And, like other Sony-published games over the past two decades, it was exclusive to a PlayStation console, helping drive sales of Sony’s hardware in addition to generating revenue on its own.

Now, three years later, Horizon will be on another platform for the first time. We expect to see the game on both Steam and the Epic Games Store when it launches (although that may not be finalized yet). It will be the first Guerrilla game on a non-PlayStation platform since Sony purchased the Netherlands-based studio in 2005. It will also be an opportunity for Guerrilla to show off its technical chops—Horizon: Zero Dawn, restrained by the PlayStation 4's hardware, was locked at a framerate of 30 frames per second. We expect the PC version to be more capable.

This will be the first big exclusive game from a Sony-owned developer to come to PC. Death Stranding, which launched for PS4 last November and will also arrive on PC later this year, was funded and published by Sony but developed by an independent studio, Kojima Productions. (In fact, the PC version of Death Stranding is published by a different company, 505 Games.) The French studio Quantic Dream, also independent, had a similar arrangement last year, self-publishing its games Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls, and Detroit: Become Human on PC without Sony’s involvement.

One other thing Death Stranding and Horizon: Zero Dawn share is technology. Both games run on Guerrilla’s Decima Engine, a robust suite of tools and software for making open-world video games. Guerrilla and Kojima Productions have worked closely together in recent years.

For most publishers, the release of a game on PC would be no big deal. Most video game companies try to put their software on as many platforms as possible. But for Sony, this is a remarkable move. Since the launch of the PlayStation 1 in 1994, just about every game funded and developed by Sony has been exclusive to a PlayStation platform. (Sony’s PC-focused massively multiplayer online games, including EverQuest, are the main exception.) Sony’s strategy has always been to drive hardware sales with software and vice versa. One would expect them to take the same approach with future games on the PlayStation 5, which will launch this fall.

But, as analyst Mat Piscatella has smartly pointed out, the future of video games lies in ecosystems, not platforms. Sony’s biggest competitor, Microsoft, has been more upfront about its platform-agnostic strategy, with Xbox boss Phil Spencer talking frequently about wanting to get their games in as many hands as possible. For the past couple of years, Microsoft has released all of its Xbox games on PC as well. Will Sony follow suit with its own slate of PlayStation exclusives? This upcoming PC port of Horizon may be a telling sign.

[baseline bum]

Horizon will be fucking impressive to see on even lower end PC hardware. The PS4 runs that shit at locked 1080p30fps on an HD 7850 level gpu and it's very impressive graphically aside from the framerate, and even something as low as a $120 RX 570 should have little problem running it at 1080p60 locked unless the port is just dogshit. It's not as good as The Witcher 3, but might be the best big open world game to come out since then.

[baseline bum]

haven't had any crashing or much stuttering as of late, but every time I run Outer Worlds I get blank screen. I have to windows key out, screen wakes up, go to Radeon software, and toggle GPU scaling, doesn't matter if it's on or off, just has to be toggled :lol

I head the new driver is supposed to be better. Any improvement in stability?

[baseline bum]

That's pretty interesting. Tough honestly I'm starting to consider if it's not best to get the best bang for buck card right now (for 1080p) ala 1660 super and see how things plays out since even if I get a 2060 super I might have to replace it in a few years anyway (as per nono)

5600 XT reviews out. LOL at AMD for having to push a out new BIOS to jack up the clockspeeds to compete with the RTX 2060 price cut. Don't know why they thought they were going to be competing against the 1660 Ti with this card. Personally I'd have a hard time buying the 5600 XT over the 5700 with the 2GB less of RAM.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcAwR49zRCg

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5600 XT reviews out. LOL at AMD for having to push a out new BIOS to jack up the clockspeeds to compete with the RTX 2060 price cut. Don't know why they thought they were going to be competing against the 1660 Ti with this card. Personally I'd have a hard time buying the 5600 XT over the 5700 with the 2GB less of RAM.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcAwR49zRCg
Yeah saw this, wasn't expecting the performance to be this good tbh, if it ends up being priced similar to a 1660ti here it might be a good deal actually. Other parts came in yesterday, aleady got everything running smoothly just need the gpu now

[TDMVPDPOY]

Yeah saw this, wasn't expecting the performance to be this good tbh, if it ends up being priced similar to a 1660ti here it might be a good deal actually. Other parts came in yesterday, aleady got everything running smoothly just need the gpu now

1660ti is obsolete product due to the 1660super price

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1660ti is obsolete product due to the 1660super price
Yeah wouldn't get a ti, just talking about the price point tbh

[baseline bum]

Yeah saw this, wasn't expecting the performance to be this good tbh, if it ends up being priced similar to a 1660ti here it might be a good deal actually. Other parts came in yesterday, aleady got everything running smoothly just need the gpu now

Shit, I just noticed from Gamers Nexus' review of the 5600 XT that not all 5600 XT will be getting this updated BIOS. Fucking shady bullshit from AMD pushing this new BIOS for 5600 XT to the higher end cards they had reviewed but not to all 5600 XT. So if you buy 5600 XT make sure it's a model that can run the new BIOS, because it ups performance more than 10% to compete with the RTX 2060. Speaking of Gamers Nexus, they're probably the most in depth channel on youtube for PC hardware reviews. Only channel that comes close is Digital Foundry, though Digital Foundry does a lot with consoles too, while GamersNexus is almost strictly PC.

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Shit, I just noticed from Gamers Nexus' review of the 5600 XT that not all 5600 XT will be getting this updated BIOS. Fucking shady bullshit from AMD pushing this new BIOS for 5600 XT to the higher end cards they had reviewed but not to all 5600 XT. So if you buy 5600 XT make sure it's a model that can run the new BIOS, because it ups performance more than 10% to compete with the RTX 2060. Speaking of Gamers Nexus, they're probably the most in depth channel on youtube for PC hardware reviews. Only channel that comes close is Digital Foundry, though Digital Foundry does a lot with consoles too, while GamersNexus is almost strictly PC.

That sucks, I thought only this first batch would come outdated and from now on all of them would get the new bios. Good to know tbh. And yeah GN is a good channel, I actually found out about the cpu I ended up getting from one of their videos. From what i've seen Hardware Unboxed seems like a good one as well.

[baseline bum]

That sucks, I thought only this first batch would come outdated and from now on all of them would get the new bios. Good to know tbh. And yeah GN is a good channel, I actually found out about the cpu I ended up getting from one of their videos. From what i've seen Hardware Unboxed seems like a good one as well.

Damn RX 5600 XT definitely seems like a loser when MSI says it comes down to silicon lottery as to whether the VRAM in your card will be able to support the BIOS update AMD pushed out to make their cards look good in reviews. MSI says those cards were built with 12Gbps GDDR6 and it's the luck of the draw whether they can clock to 14Gbps with the BIOS update.

https://www.techpowerup.com/263228/msi-says-not-all-radeon-rx-5600-xt-gpus-can-hit-14-gbps-memory-speed

What a scumbag launch. Get in here DJR210, you'll get a kick out of this shit I'm guessing. :lol

[baseline bum]

What a fucking sad state of the gpu market today.

[vander]

I head the new driver is supposed to be better. Any improvement in stability?
Nope, none of the driver updates have improved my situation except for the stuttering issue seems to be gone.

Still get blank screen at launch, and the card crashes (have to power off PC) if you spend too much time in inventory screens lol. Both issues are full-screen only, never happen in windowed mode...

[DJR210]

Damn RX 5600 XT definitely seems like a loser when MSI says it comes down to silicon lottery as to whether the VRAM in your card will be able to support the BIOS update AMD pushed out to make their cards look good in reviews. MSI says those cards were built with 12Gbps GDDR6 and it's the luck of the draw whether they can clock to 14Gbps with the BIOS update.

https://www.techpowerup.com/263228/msi-says-not-all-radeon-rx-5600-xt-gpus-can-hit-14-gbps-memory-speed

What a scumbag launch. Get in here DJR210 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42671), you'll get a kick out of this shit I'm guessing. :lol

Damn that's fucking bullshit.. Not surprising considering it's AMD. Just when they seem to turn the corner, they continually find a way to defeat themselves. Yeah the GPU market is so bad and consoles have caught up so much I may skip an upgrade and just get a new console next round. As long as they can push all games at high settings/60 FPS I'd consider it

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Damn RX 5600 XT definitely seems like a loser when MSI says it comes down to silicon lottery as to whether the VRAM in your card will be able to support the BIOS update AMD pushed out to make their cards look good in reviews. MSI says those cards were built with 12Gbps GDDR6 and it's the luck of the draw whether they can clock to 14Gbps with the BIOS update.

https://www.techpowerup.com/263228/msi-says-not-all-radeon-rx-5600-xt-gpus-can-hit-14-gbps-memory-speed

What a scumbag launch. Get in here DJR210 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42671), you'll get a kick out of this shit I'm guessing. :lol
Fuck, better steer clear of that then :lol

[baseline bum]

Fuck, better steer clear of that then :lol

Well there are some higher end models guaranteed to have 14Gbps RAM. But they're going to be the expensive ones, at which point you might as well just buy the 5700 instead.

[baseline bum]

Damn that's fucking bullshit.. Not surprising considering it's AMD. Just when they seem to turn the corner, they continually find a way to defeat themselves. Yeah the GPU market is so bad and consoles have caught up so much I may skip an upgrade and just get a new console next round. As long as they can push all games at high settings/60 FPS I'd consider it

Yeah I'm really eager to see the PS5 reveal. If that 5700 XT level gpu leak is true then what the fuck is the point in spending on a gaming PC in 2020? I was expecting maybe GTX 1660 performance just like how PoorStation 4 launched with low end HD 7850 level performance, but if I get a $400 5700 XT or better in a PS5 for $500 it's a no brainer. If this was a console like current gen was at launch I would have long since bought an RX 5700 or RTX 2060 Super despite the shitty pricing. But once I saw Mark Cerny announce an 8C/16T Ryzen 2 cpu it started looking like PS5 will be a pretty serious gaming system.

Now I'll be waiting until February for the PS5 reveal, and at that point might as well wait for early June to see if Ampere has gaming cards and if they're any good for the money. Especially with Cyberpunk and Dying Light 2 not releasing this spring any more. So I'm expecting either to preorder PS5 if the reveal looks good or if not buy an RTX 3070 if it moves the needle and is $500 or less. Or if neither holds probably just buy a bridge gpu like a used RX 580 for playing late 2020 games like Cyberpunk, Dying Light 2, Elden Ring, etc. and hope for good gpus in 2021 or 2022.

[baseline bum]

Oh man AMD just released the Ryzen 5 1600 AF at $85 MSRP, but it's really a Ryzen 5 2600 since it's on 12nm instead of 16nm and overclocks like a 2600 instead of a 1600. That's a pretty fucking legit gaming cpu at the kind of pricing you'd expect for crap Pentium cpus.

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Oh man AMD just released the Ryzen 5 1600 AF at $85 MSRP, but it's really a Ryzen 5 2600 since it's on 12nm instead of 16nm and overclocks like a 2600 instead of a 1600. That's a pretty fucking legit gaming cpu at the kind of pricing you'd expect for crap Pentium cpus.

Yeah it's the one I got, amazing bargain tbh

[baseline bum]

Yeah it's the one I got, amazing bargain tbh

Yeah I was thinking WTF when you said you were getting a 1600 since those really can't get to even 4.0 GHz. Didn't know the new 1600AF was really a 2600 that they marketed as a 1600. Guess they didn't want to cannibalize sales of the 3600.

[baseline bum]

Yeah it's the one I got, amazing bargain tbh

Wow AMD actually made some of the 1600 AF 8C/16T cpus.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/7h1a0y/ryzen_5_1600_with_8_cores_16_threads/

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Wow AMD actually made some of the 1600 AF 8C/16T cpus.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/7h1a0y/ryzen_5_1600_with_8_cores_16_threads/
:wow

sadly didn't get that lucky but thats amazing tbh

[baseline bum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uynVO4ZXl0

Wow in this video Hardware Unboxed says retailers have been telling them the RX 5700 XT gets returned at 5x the rate of other competing gpus. What a clusterfuck Navi has been. Same story as ever from AMD gpus, great hardware, dogshit drivers. Shit, this goes back to even before AMD owned Radeon. Last time I bought a Radeon was an ATi Radeon 8500 in 2001 because it was a fucking beast for its day on hardware but the drivers kept that card stuck behind the Nvidia GeForce 3 Ti500 even though it should have dominated it with proper drivers.

[baseline bum]

I needed a card I could run DXR on, and the 960 didn’t cut it. I already have a RTX2080Ti at work, so I wanted to get something similar that would fit on my mini itx. Plus NVidia dev tools are starting to drop support for older cards.

I’ve been playing games on the PS4 Pro, tbh, haven’t really played a game on the PC in a long time. To answer your question, I don’t think it will, there’s extremely simple ways to bring down any card to it’s knees with ray tracing, even if you’re doing a hybrid approach and only using RT for shadows/reflections, which are probably the biggest visual improvements outside of global illumination, and I expect to be the new gfx standard.

So what do you think: buy a 2070 Super now for $500. Play Control and Sekiro, then once corona has shut down trade from China put that bitch up on ebay to price gouge some fucker? Put the profit towards buying a PS5 and an XBox Series X if I'm still alive after?

[ElNono]

So what do you think: buy a 2070 Super now for $500. Play Control and Sekiro, then once corona has shut down trade from China put that bitch up on ebay to price gouge some fucker? Put the profit towards buying a PS5 and an XBox Series X if I'm still alive after?

It's a big gamble. Nobody knows how this will play out with that stupid virus now, I suspect it'll affect everything. If you have a hard on for those games, go for it. Honestly, hard to tell what all of this is going to look like 6 months from now.

[baseline bum]

It's a big gamble. Nobody knows how this will play out with that stupid virus now, I suspect it'll affect everything. If you have a hard on for those games, go for it. Honestly, hard to tell what all of this is going to look like 6 months from now.

Maybe in 6 months we'll get that PS5 reveal?

[ElNono]

Maybe in 6 months we'll get that PS5 reveal?

or we're all dead, tbh

[baseline bum]

or we're all dead, tbh

Good point, I probably shouldn't preorder should I?

[baseline bum]

Good point, I probably shouldn't preorder should I?

Damn I think corona killed CPY and CODEX and RLD has been gone for a long time, dark days for PC gaming.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Shit, I just noticed from Gamers Nexus' review of the 5600 XT that not all 5600 XT will be getting this updated BIOS. Fucking shady bullshit from AMD pushing this new BIOS for 5600 XT to the higher end cards they had reviewed but not to all 5600 XT. So if you buy 5600 XT make sure it's a model that can run the new BIOS, because it ups performance more than 10% to compete with the RTX 2060. Speaking of Gamers Nexus, they're probably the most in depth channel on youtube for PC hardware reviews. Only channel that comes close is Digital Foundry, though Digital Foundry does a lot with consoles too, while GamersNexus is almost strictly PC.

GN channel, hardwareunboxed, techcityyes and redgamingnews is teh channels i watch for pc hardware news

[hater]

baseline

whats your recommended build for under $1k

trying to build one before we get quarantined. 4k btw

[baseline bum]

baseline

whats your recommended build for under $1k

trying to build one before we get quarantined. 4k btw

4k is not happening under $1k. At least for games like RDR2. I'm assuming you still have your older system with the GTX 970 and the Corsair micro ATX case plus your PSU, drives, and SSD, right? In that case I'd go something like:

PCPartPicker Part List (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wXYXhg)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nm323/amd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box) ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KZLwrH/asrock-x570m-pro4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-x570m-pro4) ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n6RgXL/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gvk) ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kHxbt6/evga-geforce-rtx-2070-super-8-gb-xc-ultra-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-3173-kr) ($503.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $933.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker (https://pcpartpicker.com) 2020-03-12 01:43 EDT-0400

I usually hate recommending expensive boards but I would absolutely want something capable of running PCIE-4.0 SSD if I'm building today, so X570 is a must, and your X570 choices are super limited in the micro ATX form factor. But if you're not worried about that you could go with a cheaper B450 board and either upgrade the cpu to a Ryzen 7 3700X or the gpu to an RTX 2080 Super and still stay in budget. RTX 2070 Super will play a lot of current AAA games well at 4k (it's a little more powerful than the 1080 Ti), but it's a bit weaker than what has been revealed for the new XBox Series X.

Also AMD is the way to go on cpu right now. Intel fucking sucks unless you're able to spend $550 on an i9-9900k. Otherwise AMD's cpus are hands down better. And they're cheaper too.

[hater]

4k is not happening under $1k. At least for games like RDR2. I'm assuming you still have your older system with the GTX 970 and the Corsair micro ATX case plus your PSU, drives, and SSD, right? In that case I'd go something like:

PCPartPicker Part List (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wXYXhg)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nm323/amd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box) ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KZLwrH/asrock-x570m-pro4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-x570m-pro4) ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n6RgXL/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gvk) ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kHxbt6/evga-geforce-rtx-2070-super-8-gb-xc-ultra-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-3173-kr) ($503.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $933.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker (https://pcpartpicker.com) 2020-03-12 01:43 EDT-0400

I usually hate recommending expensive boards but I would absolutely want something capable of running PCIE-4.0 SSD if I'm building today, so X570 is a must, and your X570 choices are super limited in the micro ATX form factor. But if you're not worried about that you could go with a cheaper B450 board and either upgrade the cpu to a Ryzen 7 3700X or the gpu to an RTX 2080 Super and still stay in budget. RTX 2070 Super will play a lot of current AAA games well at 4k (it's a little more powerful than the 1080 Ti), but it's a bit weaker than what has been revealed for the new XBox Series X.

Also AMD is the way to go on cpu right now. Intel fucking sucks unless you're able to spend $550 on an i9-9900k. Otherwise AMD's cpus are hands down better. And they're cheaper too.

yes I do!!!

thanks brotha! much love

[baseline bum]

yes I do!!!

thanks brotha! much love

What power supply do you have? Might be worth jumping up $100 to get to a 2080 Super just so you can be at XBox level. Gotta warn this gpu isn't going to age worth a fuck for the price you'll pay. No card on the market right now will, as the gpu market has been pretty overpriced for a year and a half.

[ElNono]

4k is not happening under $1k. At least for games like RDR2. I'm assuming you still have your older system with the GTX 970 and the Corsair micro ATX case plus your PSU, drives, and SSD, right? In that case I'd go something like:

PCPartPicker Part List (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wXYXhg)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nm323/amd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box) ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KZLwrH/asrock-x570m-pro4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-x570m-pro4) ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n6RgXL/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gvk) ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kHxbt6/evga-geforce-rtx-2070-super-8-gb-xc-ultra-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-3173-kr) ($503.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $933.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker (https://pcpartpicker.com) 2020-03-12 01:43 EDT-0400

I usually hate recommending expensive boards but I would absolutely want something capable of running PCIE-4.0 SSD if I'm building today, so X570 is a must, and your X570 choices are super limited in the micro ATX form factor. But if you're not worried about that you could go with a cheaper B450 board and either upgrade the cpu to a Ryzen 7 3700X or the gpu to an RTX 2080 Super and still stay in budget. RTX 2070 Super will play a lot of current AAA games well at 4k (it's a little more powerful than the 1080 Ti), but it's a bit weaker than what has been revealed for the new XBox Series X.

Also AMD is the way to go on cpu right now. Intel fucking sucks unless you're able to spend $550 on an i9-9900k. Otherwise AMD's cpus are hands down better. And they're cheaper too.

I can attest PCI Express 4.0 is the shit. Been smoking 5 GB/s on it, where you would normally peak at 2.5-3 on PCIE3.

[baseline bum]

I can attest PCI Express 4.0 is the shit. Been smoking 5 GB/s on it, where you would normally peak at 2.5-3 on PCIE3.

You think Ryzen 5 3600 is a good buy for a gaming cpu? Or is it nuts to go lower than 8C/16T with PS5 and XBox Shiri X sporting 8C/16T?

[ElNono]

You think Ryzen 5 3600 is a good buy for a gaming cpu? Or is it nuts to go lower than 8C/16T with PS5 and XBox Shiri X sporting 8C/16T?

Frankly, I don't know much about desktop Ryzen other than what people comment out there. Heard they're solid CPUs, but haven't played with them myself.

[baseline bum]

Frankly, I don't know much about desktop Ryzen other than what people comment out there. Heard they're solid CPUs, but haven't played with them myself.

Ryzen 2 has pretty much invalidated all of Intel's lineup for gamers other than the 8C/16T i9-9900k after some pretty strong IPC improvements in this newest gen. It's not like 2001 when Intel was pure dogshit compared to AMD, but Intel's back on their heels right now. Just wondering if 6C/12T is likely to be enough for a few years or if saturating 8C/16T is likely to come quickly in this new console gen.

[TDMVPDPOY]

You think Ryzen 5 3600 is a good buy for a gaming cpu? Or is it nuts to go lower than 8C/16T with PS5 and XBox Shiri X sporting 8C/16T?

benchmarks show the 3600/3600x => 9900k games

[baseline bum]

benchmarks show the 3600/3600x => 9900k games

No they don't

[ElNono]

Ryzen 2 has pretty much invalidated all of Intel's lineup for gamers other than the 8C/16T i9-9900k after some pretty strong IPC improvements in this newest gen. It's not like 2001 when Intel was pure dogshit compared to AMD, but Intel's back on their heels right now. Just wondering if 6C/12T is likely to be enough for a few years or if saturating 8C/16T is likely to come quickly in this new console gen.

Well, moar cores is always nice, so if you can wait it out, might make sense. I honestly can see more use for the extra cores in VR, where there's a lot of other shit going on, like tracking, but unless there's some major shift, 6C/12T is nothing to sneeze at.

[baseline bum]

Well, moar cores is always nice, so if you can wait it out, might make sense. I honestly can see more use for the extra cores in VR, where there's a lot of other shit going on, like tracking, but unless there's some major shift, 6C/12T is nothing to sneeze at.

I was just asking for hater. Between ridiculously high gpu prices and CPY on his deathbed in Italy it's not a great time for PC gaming tbh.

[RandomGuy]

Got a super challenge for you. BLB.

$200 bucks, desktop box?

$500 more realistic budget?

[baseline bum]

Got a super challenge for you. BLB.

$200 bucks, desktop box?

$500 more realistic budget?

A $500 gaming PC is a really bad buy, especially right now when we're looking at $400 to $600 consoles by the end of the year or early next year that are more powerful than what you could build right now for $1000. Any gaming PC you build today is going to age like complete dogshit unless you're willing to drop $500 to $700 just on the gpu. Eg $500 for an RTX 2070 Super would get you a little above what looks to be in the PS5 while $700 on an RTX 2080 Super would get you a little above what looks to be in the XBox Series X.

[RandomGuy]

A $500 gaming PC is a really bad buy, especially right now when we're looking at $400 to $600 consoles by the end of the year or early next year that are more powerful than what you could build right now for $1000. Any gaming PC you build today is going to age like complete dogshit unless you're willing to drop $500 to $700 just on the gpu. Eg $500 for an RTX 2070 Super would get you a little above what looks to be in the PS5 while $700 on an RTX 2080 Super would get you a little above what looks to be in the XBox Series X.

Assume you only have a $500 budget. What is the BEST you can get for that? (assume all you need is the box itself)

Have a friend with a seriously limited budget.

[baseline bum]

Assume you only have a $500 budget. What is the BEST you can get for that? (assume all you need is the box itself)

Have a friend with a seriously limited budget.

What does he want to play on it? If it's AAA gaming the absolute cheapest system I could put together that would be at all decent would be $560 plus tax, and still doesn't have an SSD. Also on that kind of budget I'd get the mouse and keyboard at Goodwill, so I didn't include them. Also don't know if the case is any good, but in that tight a budget you gotta go as cheap as possible.

PCPartPicker Part List (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wY2VCL)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jLF48d/amd-ryzen-5-2600-34ghz-6-core-processor-yd2600bbafbox) ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-M2 MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6d9tt6/msi-b450m-pro-m2-max-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-pro-m2-max) ($74.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FNprxr/gskill-aegis-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-f43000c16d16gisb) ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($44.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB Twin Fan Video Card (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CVBhP6/zotac-geforce-gtx-1650-super-4-gb-twin-fan-video-card-zt-t16510f-10l) ($159.99 @ B&H)
Case: Metallic Gear Neo Silent ATX Mid Tower Case (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3YgQzy/metallic-gear-neo-silent-atx-mid-tower-case-mg-ne520s_bk01) ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3G97YJ/seasonic-s12iii-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-ssr-550gb3) ($54.99 @ B&H)
Total: $559.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker (https://pcpartpicker.com) 2020-03-31 11:47 EDT-0400

[baseline bum]

But I have to caution, in November PS5 will likely be coming out around $400, maybe $500, with this kind of power:

PCPartPicker Part List (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FKTJRk)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QKJtt6/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-36-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000071box) ($298.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI X570-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QZLwrH/msi-x570-a-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-a-pro) ($159.90 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FNprxr/gskill-aegis-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-f43000c16d16gisb) ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/88drxr/evga-geforce-rtx-2070-super-8-gb-black-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-3071-kr) ($504.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Metallic Gear Neo Silent ATX Mid Tower Case (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3YgQzy/metallic-gear-neo-silent-atx-mid-tower-case-mg-ne520s_bk01) ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3G97YJ/seasonic-s12iii-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-ssr-550gb3) ($54.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1123.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker (https://pcpartpicker.com) 2020-03-31 12:48 EDT-0400

And with a really fast 850GB PCIEx4 SSD that I couldn't find yet for sale.

[140]

Question, how can I access a hard drive I have from a previous build? It likely has Windows XP installed (I'm not sure, it's been a while). Will it work by just plugging it in my current win 10 pc?

[ElNono]

Question, how can I access a hard drive I have from a previous build? It likely has Windows XP installed (I'm not sure, it's been a while). Will it work by just plugging it in my current win 10 pc?

It should at least read it.

[140]

It should at least read it.
So could I view the files?

[ElNono]

So could I view the files?

yup

[140]

yup

it worked, cheers m8

[Chris]

baseline bum

Is this a good buy?

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/pdp/spd/alienware-aurora-r9-desktop?gacd=9646513-24079456-5819706-272330792-131871621&dgc=sm&dclid=CMSv2ZPJt-kCFaLywAod4k0NFQ

[baseline bum]

baseline bum

Is this a good buy?

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/pdp/spd/alienware-aurora-r9-desktop?gacd=9646513-24079456-5819706-272330792-131871621&dgc=sm&dclid=CMSv2ZPJt-kCFaLywAod4k0NFQ

There is honestly no good buy in PC gaming right now because gpus are so overpriced and underpowered. The gpu closest to what's in the PS5 is the RTX 2070 Super that runs about $550 to $600 right now. If you want gpu power on par with the XBox Series X we're talking the RTX 2080 Super that runs about $730 right now. On top of that, I cannot at all recommend going with an Intel system these days unless you go i9-9900k, because the PS5 and XBox Series X cpus are 8C/16T and i9-9900k is the cheapest 8C/16T cpu Intel makes. And it's like $500. If you want an Alienware gaming PC from that link that's going to be a little stronger than XBox Series X it's $2470. Just to be a little better than a console that's going to come out at $500 to $600 in six months. COVID has really only raised prices 10-15% but even without that bump in price it would still be a terrible time to buy a gaming PC.

Also I don't see which specific options you chose.

[baseline bum]

God this is literally what it takes to build an XBox Series X killer PC today. Fucking ouch. And the SSD is still slower than the one on the XBox Series X.

PCPartPicker Part List (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3QBGMc)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8-Core Processor (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qryV3C/amd-ryzen-7-3800x-39-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000025box) ($336.38 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DMjG3C/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhu14s) ($63.75 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dmGnTW/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JBzkcf/gskill-ripjaws-v-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c19d-32gvrb) ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JLdxFT/samsung-970-evo-10tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-mz-v7e1t0baw) ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n2RgXL/evga-geforce-rtx-2080-super-8-gb-xc-ultra-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-3183-kr) ($759.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/crqBD3/phanteks-eclipse-p300a-mesh-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300atg_bk01) ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6Y66Mp/corsair-rm-2019-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020195-na) ($124.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1890.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker (https://pcpartpicker.com) 2020-05-16 01:34 EDT-0400

You could bring it down $180 or so by going with 16GB RAM, a Ryzen 7 3700X, and the stock cooler I guess though and still have something that should outperform the XBox Series X. But if you're spending that much I'd just spend the little extra on the extra RAM, the cpu cooler, and the slightly faster cpu.

[Chris]

There is honestly no good buy in PC gaming right now because gpus are so overpriced and underpowered. The gpu closest to what's in the PS5 is the RTX 2070 Super that runs about $550 to $600 right now. If you want gpu power on par with the XBox Series X we're talking the RTX 2080 Super that runs about $730 right now. On top of that, I cannot at all recommend going with an Intel system these days unless you go i9-9900k, because the PS5 and XBox Series X cpus are 8C/16T and i9-9900k is the cheapest 8C/16T cpu Intel makes. And it's like $500. If you want an Alienware gaming PC from that link that's going to be a little stronger than XBox Series X it's $2470. Just to be a little better than a console that's going to come out at $500 to $600 in six months. COVID has really only raised prices 10-15% but even without that bump in price it would still be a terrible time to buy a gaming PC.

Also I don't see which specific options you chose.

Those prices are incredibly high :lol $2470? I figured $800 was pretty decent for the entire PC. Not looking for a PS5 GPU that costs close to the same. I'm not buying the first generation of PS5 consoles anyways until they confirm theres no blue or red rings of death or other such nonsense.

[baseline bum]

Those prices are incredibly high :lol $2470? I figured $800 was pretty decent for the entire PC. Not looking for a PS5 GPU that costs close to the same. I'm not buying the first generation of PS5 consoles anyways until they confirm theres no blue or red rings of death or other such nonsense.

Oh I see... that $820 system is total horseshit for the money. Only 8GB of RAM and a terrible GTX 1650 gpu. It's such a bad deal that the system I spent $800 on in 2014 (GTX 970, Xeon E3-1231v3, 8GB RAM) would actually still be a better gaming system today. Seriously. You should seriously build your own shit. It's as easy as Legos. Here is a system for $850 with a gpu (1660 Super) that gives roughly 70% higher framerate than a 1650 at 1440p, has twice as much RAM, has a much better cpu, has an SSD, and has a board that will allow you to install a PCIE-4.0 SSD later on if you want and also has wifi and bluetooth built in.

PCPartPicker Part List (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R7HJXv)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nm323/amd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box) ($174.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dmGnTW/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi) ($189.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VtL48d/gskill-ripjaws-v-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c19d-16gvrb) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/G9XYcf/crucial-p2-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct500p2ssd8) ($64.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z3wkcf/msi-geforce-gtx-1660-super-6-gb-ventus-xs-oc-video-card-gtx-1660-super-ventus-xs-oc) ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JwVBD3/corsair-case-cc9011075ww) ($54.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FL3H99/seasonic-s12iii-500-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-ssr-500gb3) ($67.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $852.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker (https://pcpartpicker.com) 2020-05-16 17:04 EDT-0400


Though add another $20 or so to buy a Windows 10 license from a key reseller, I know there is a forum on reddit where people sell their unused volume license keys for Windows 10 Home for ~$20 or so.

If you really have to hit that $820 price though you can go to a cheaper B450 board, though you'll never be able to use a PCIE-4.0 SSD later on, and you might have to do a BIOS upgrade beforehand if going B450. And you could go with a $40 1TB hard drive instead of a $60 480GB SSD. Though surely you have other mechanical drives you can recycle from an old computer, right?

If you have never built a PC don't be intimated, it's quite easy. There is a youtuber called Carey Holzman who has complete build videos that show just how easy it is to build a PC in extreme detail, and I highly recommend watching some of his build videos if you have never built a PC before. Though he always uses Intel processors. Which I would not now because not only are AMD processors better right now, but they're cheaper too.

This system won't be as good as PS5, but should be enough to outperform the rumored XBox Series S.

[TimDunkem]

I just recently built a PC and have no regrets. I can afford the PS5 if I end up wanting one, but I'm having so much fun with games you normally only find on PC anyway, so I'm good.

[baseline bum]

I just recently built a PC and have no regrets. I can afford the PS5 if I end up wanting one, but I'm having so much fun with games you normally only find on PC anyway, so I'm good.

PC will always be best for FPS and strategy games for sure. I can't stand fps with a controller. As bad as the value is right now, I keep itching to buy an RTX 2060 to play Control with ray-traced reflections (they look amazing) since the new DLSS-2.0 implementation allows 1080p60 with RTX high with that card in the game. But I know I'll regret paying $350 for one in 4-5 months when AMD's RDNA2 cards come out and blow it out of the water. And same for Nvidia's Ampere. Or if PS5/XSX get updated ports of Control with RT turned on.

[TDMVPDPOY]

ive been sitting on a cpu 3600x + b450 that i purchased of fb marketplace for 300aud before the covit outbreak

i still havnt finished my build, and the stupid prices for pc parts have skyrocket by 30% with the stupid tanking aud dollar.... i probably just wait till the new amphere/amd cards come out

[baseline bum]

Civ VI free on Epic Game Store right now. Aren't you a big Civ fan, hater?

[baseline bum]

For the money, the GTX 1070 Ti is probably the best bang for the buck right now

Bend over, I'll give you the best bang for your buck.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol intel 10th gen, same bullshit as 9th and 8th gen.. they to focus on high mhz then clock per cycle actions...

dunno why the geeks on yt are comparing these cpus to 2nd gen ryzen 3xxx cpus and barely beat it in benchmarks while costing a premium
cant wait for 3rd gen ryzen 4xxx cpus to take a dump on 10th gen intels...

[ElNono]

Might have to go with Ryzen next build, tbh... just added a 7TB SSD and new power brick to this box, so I'm ok for a while, but if we keep doing Unreal stuff, those Threadrippers are ridiculous.

[Chris]

Oh I see... that $820 system is total horseshit for the money. Only 8GB of RAM and a terrible GTX 1650 gpu. It's such a bad deal that the system I spent $800 on in 2014 (GTX 970, Xeon E3-1231v3, 8GB RAM) would actually still be a better gaming system today. Seriously. You should seriously build your own shit. It's as easy as Legos. Here is a system for $850 with a gpu (1660 Super) that gives roughly 70% higher framerate than a 1650 at 1440p, has twice as much RAM, has a much better cpu, has an SSD, and has a board that will allow you to install a PCIE-4.0 SSD later on if you want and also has wifi and bluetooth built in.

PCPartPicker Part List (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R7HJXv)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nm323/amd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box) ($174.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dmGnTW/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi) ($189.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VtL48d/gskill-ripjaws-v-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c19d-16gvrb) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/G9XYcf/crucial-p2-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct500p2ssd8) ($64.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z3wkcf/msi-geforce-gtx-1660-super-6-gb-ventus-xs-oc-video-card-gtx-1660-super-ventus-xs-oc) ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JwVBD3/corsair-case-cc9011075ww) ($54.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FL3H99/seasonic-s12iii-500-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-ssr-500gb3) ($67.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $852.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker (https://pcpartpicker.com) 2020-05-16 17:04 EDT-0400


Though add another $20 or so to buy a Windows 10 license from a key reseller, I know there is a forum on reddit where people sell their unused volume license keys for Windows 10 Home for ~$20 or so.

If you really have to hit that $820 price though you can go to a cheaper B450 board, though you'll never be able to use a PCIE-4.0 SSD later on, and you might have to do a BIOS upgrade beforehand if going B450. And you could go with a $40 1TB hard drive instead of a $60 480GB SSD. Though surely you have other mechanical drives you can recycle from an old computer, right?

If you have never built a PC don't be intimated, it's quite easy. There is a youtuber called Carey Holzman who has complete build videos that show just how easy it is to build a PC in extreme detail, and I highly recommend watching some of his build videos if you have never built a PC before. Though he always uses Intel processors. Which I would not now because not only are AMD processors better right now, but they're cheaper too.

This system won't be as good as PS5, but should be enough to outperform the rumored XBox Series S.

what you think about the parts here? don't have to watch the whole 2 hours the parts are on the table at the beginning:

LE8EmD1NU7M


@10minutes he starts going through individual parts

[baseline bum]

what you think about the parts here? don't have to watch the whole 2 hours the parts are on the table at the beginning:

LE8EmD1NU7M


@10minutes he starts going through individual parts

Honestly, I didn't watch it once I saw he had a GTX 1660 instead of GTX 1660 Super. The GTX 1660 Super is about 13% faster for $10 to $20 more than the GTX 1660, and you shouldn't skimp on gpu for a gaming build, especially when he's wasting money on an RGB cpu cooler for a cpu that doesn't overclock worth a shit anyways. It is worlds better than that Alienware system though if he used an R5 3600 or better for cpu.

[Chris]

Honestly, I didn't watch it once I saw he had a GTX 1660 instead of GTX 1660 Super. The GTX 1660 Super is about 13% faster for $10 to $20 more than the GTX 1660, and you shouldn't skimp on gpu for a gaming build, especially when he's wasting money on an RGB cpu cooler for a cpu that doesn't overclock worth a shit anyways. It is worlds better than that Alienware system though if he used an R5 3600 or better for cpu.

cool :tu

[baseline bum]

DJR210, so after joining back in the PCMR, is Divinity Sin Original 2 an absolute must play?

[baseline bum]

cool :tu

If you're looking to go as cheap as you can while having something that should probably be better than say XBox Series S (eg the rumored Lockhart) this would maybe get you there:

PCPartPicker Part List (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zhHLL2)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nm323/amd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box) ($189.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hpRzK8/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-ds3h) ($72.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VtL48d/gskill-ripjaws-v-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c19d-16gvrb) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/G9XYcf/crucial-p2-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct500p2ssd8) ($64.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB Video Card (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hNzFf7/pny-geforce-gtx-1660-super-6-gb-video-card-vcg16606ssfppb) ($229.98 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks P300 ATX Mid Tower Case (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FCs8TW/phanteks-eclipse-p300-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ptgbk) ($64.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na) ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $766.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker (https://pcpartpicker.com) 2020-05-23 13:23 EDT-0400

The only maybe is because it won't support PCIE-4.0 SSD, and I don't know if the Series S is going to use the same kind of high end SSD like Series X and PS5 will have. Two big caveats here though:

1. A B450 motherboard won't support PCIE-4.0 SSD, and I keep reading how big a deal PCIE-4.0 SSD is going to be for next gen games
2. There is an off-chance you'll have to do a BIOS update before you can use that CPU on a B450 board. Most boards will let you do BIOS updates from a flash drive now for cases like this where you have a cpu (R5 3600) newer than the chipset (B450) that would only be supported by newer BIOS. Not sure if this one does though, so you should check before buying.

Which is why I recommend just biting the bullet and buying an expensive X570 motherboard like the one I posted a few posts before. Especially since that specific ASUS X570 board has wifi and bluetooth built-in in addition to the PCIE-4.0 support.

Also sadly power supplies are very overpriced right now. They're the one PC component that has been completely fucked by COVID. So if you have a decent still working 450W or better psu I'd just stick with it until PSU prices come down and you can get something really nice for $50 to $70.

[Chris]

If you're looking to go as cheap as you can while having something that should probably be better than say XBox Series S (eg the rumored Lockhart) this would maybe get you there:

PCPartPicker Part List (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zhHLL2)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nm323/amd-ryzen-5-3600-36-thz-6-core-processor-100-100000031box) ($189.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hpRzK8/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-ds3h) ($72.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VtL48d/gskill-ripjaws-v-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c19d-16gvrb) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/G9XYcf/crucial-p2-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct500p2ssd8) ($64.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB Video Card (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hNzFf7/pny-geforce-gtx-1660-super-6-gb-video-card-vcg16606ssfppb) ($229.98 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks P300 ATX Mid Tower Case (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FCs8TW/phanteks-eclipse-p300-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ptgbk) ($64.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na) ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $766.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker (https://pcpartpicker.com) 2020-05-23 13:23 EDT-0400

The only maybe is because it won't support PCIE-4.0 SSD, and I don't know if the Series S is going to use the same kind of high end SSD like Series X and PS5 will have. Two big caveats here though:

1. A B450 motherboard won't support PCIE-4.0 SSD, and I keep reading how big a deal PCIE-4.0 SSD is going to be for next gen games
2. There is an off-chance you'll have to do a BIOS update before you can use that CPU on a B450 board. Most boards will let you do BIOS updates from a flash drive now for cases like this where you have a cpu (R5 3600) newer than the chipset (B450) that would only be supported by newer BIOS. Not sure if this one does though, so you should check before buying.

Which is why I recommend just biting the bullet and buying an expensive X570 motherboard like the one I posted a few posts before. Especially since that specific ASUS X570 board has wifi and bluetooth built-in in addition to the PCIE-4.0 support.

Also sadly power supplies are very overpriced right now. They're the one PC component that has been completely fucked by COVID. So if you have a decent still working 450W or better psu I'd just stick with it until PSU prices come down and you can get something really nice for $50 to $70.

I'll check this out when I get off work thank you very much :tu:tu:tu

about that video, he was tasked with building a gaming pc with the cap at 850. I'm sure he was aware of the upgrade imo

[baseline bum]

I'll check this out when I get off work thank you very much :tu:tu:tu

about that video, he was tasked with building a gaming pc with the cap at 850. I'm sure he was aware of the upgrade imo

I watched a few minutes more. It was a really terrible build. He was doing it with a Ryzen 3 3300X. That's only a quadcore cpu, no one should be buying those in 2020. That 750 watt expensive power supply is stupid as fuck too, especially when power supplies are really expensive right now. Even a 550 watt psu is overkill for a system like that. I use 450W and that's overkill for me using a GTX 1660 Super and a cpu (Xeon E3-1231v3) that consumes more power. Then a $90 case, waste of money. Though his build sucks because it looks like he just made it not to hit a budget, but out of parts he could get companies to send him for free for the advertising in his video.

[Chris]

I watched a few minutes more. It was a really terrible build. He was doing it with a Ryzen 3 3300X. That's only a quadcore cpu, no one should be buying those in 2020. That 750 watt expensive power supply is stupid as fuck too, especially when power supplies are really expensive right now. Even a 550 watt psu is overkill for a system like that. I use 450W and that's overkill for me using a GTX 1660 Super and a cpu (Xeon E3-1231v3) that consumes more power. Then a $90 case, waste of money. Though his build sucks because it looks like he just made it not to hit a budget, but out of parts he could get companies to send him for free for the advertising in his video.

not saying its a good build, but he went overkill on the power supply to be able to upgrade to 4th gen ryzen

[baseline bum]

not saying its a good build, but he went overkill on the power supply to be able to upgrade to 4th gen ryzen

He doesn't need an extra 200 watts for a chip that will likely consume the same as Ryzen 3rd gen.. eg 65W for most of the parts, 95W for the highest clocked stuff. That's a $120 power supply and a total waste in 2020. You wouldn't need that kind of power unless you were doing say a highly overclocked i9-9900k + RTX 2080 Super level build. And even then 750W is still overkill. Antec HCG are good power supplies but this isn't 2010 where you needed a lot of power for a good gaming PC. If he wanted to overspend for future proofing he should have overspent on the motherboard to get PCIE-4.0. Or overspend on the gpu since it's the most important part of a gaming system.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Chris

should check if the b450 mobo u getting supports ryzen gen 3 cpus thats stated to be released during the year...not all b450 boards are built equally or will be able to support the new cpus when they come out...only handful will be compatible with bios updates and then u cant roll it back to support ryzen 1 and 2 cpus = its going to brick the mobo from what amd confirms...so yeh get a good mobo b450 or b550/x570 if u can if u do intend to upgrade in the future to ryzen 3rd gen cpus 4xxx

amd is releasing rehash gen 2 cpus, dunno why continue to waste materials when they can just lower the price of their existing lineup

[ElNono]

Yep, if you're going to throw a few extra bucks on future-proofing, PCIE 4.0 is where it's at these days. You want 700+W if you're running 12+ cores at full tilt (maybe you do) and lots of fans, but then again, a PSU is truly a modular component, and frankly, you should probably invest in a quality Seasonic and the like for a few extra bucks but it'll last you a long time. A few extra watts won't hurt you either.

It's just somewhat of a bad time to build if you're looking for a deal, likely you can get a much better picture in 6-8 months.

There's China's production taking a hit which means you'll probably spend extra money in a few areas. AMD mentioned this is probably the last batch of CPUs that will use their AM4 socket (Intel changes every 2-3 iterations), next gen consoles are around the corner and will somewhat redefine what base gaming hardware will look like and probably set some price points on what that base should cost.

Then again, if you feel you're going to upgrade some stuff in a couple of years anyways, then none of that matters, so YMMV.

[baseline bum]

Chris

should check if the b450 mobo u getting supports ryzen gen 3 cpus thats stated to be released during the year...not all b450 boards are built equally or will be able to support the new cpus when they come out...only handful will be compatible with bios updates and then u cant roll it back to support ryzen 1 and 2 cpus = its going to brick the mobo from what amd confirms...so yeh get a good mobo b450 or b550/x570 if u can if u do intend to upgrade in the future to ryzen 3rd gen cpus 4xxx

amd is releasing rehash gen 2 cpus, dunno why continue to waste materials when they can just lower the price of their existing lineup

It's so confusing that Ryzen 3 means Ryzen 4000 series while Ryzen 3000 series is Ryzen 2. :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

It's so confusing that Ryzen 3 means Ryzen 4000 series while Ryzen 3000 series is Ryzen 2. :lol

lol just like their upcoming rdna2 cards for the 5700xt cards which base on rdna1, is there really a need to rehash and continue using the 5700 product lineup name? just call it a 6xxx series card, theres really no need for rehash cards and stupid anniversary cards

hence amd rnda2 cards will just be able to go toe to toe with 2080ti hopefully, but then nvidia has the cards 3xxx series coming out...amd will be behind the curve ball again, so much for big navi or nvidia killer card...

[TDMVPDPOY]

all these nerds and wankers on yt with overclock records with liquid nitrogen and bragging...doesnt make sense to the avg pc consumer who cant get access or no need for liquid nitrogen...

only records worth talking about is water or on air...

the new rehash amd cpus 2nd gen...lol high base and boost speed...not bad...just cutting into intels profit margins till gen3 is released, only to see intel rushed out a gen11 horseeshit

[baseline bum]

all these nerds and wankers on yt with overclock records with liquid nitrogen and bragging...doesnt make sense to the avg pc consumer who cant get access or no need for liquid nitrogen...

only records worth talking about is water or on air...

the new rehash amd cpus 2nd gen...lol high base and boost speed...not bad...just cutting into intels profit margins till gen3 is released, only to see intel rushed out a gen11 horseeshit

Intel finally came correct with a 6C/12T i5-10600k that runs 4.1 GHz base clock out of the box for $260. And then the 8C/16T i7-10700k that runs 3.8 GHz out of the box for $375. Those are probably going to be pretty awesome gaming cpus for the money when they launch this week. Didn't realize until now that Intel had new shit to compete with AMD coming this week.

[DJR210]

DJR210, so after joining back in the PCMR, is Divinity Sin Original 2 an absolute must play?

The first one is way better.. The armor mechanic on II made things unnecessarily difficult.. The difficulty in OS was better because it was just based on being able to access higher difficulty areas after ranking up.. If you want a recommendation for a turn based game, stop what you're doing and pirate Shadow Tactics

[baseline bum]

The first one is way better.. The armor mechanic on II made things unnecessarily difficult.. The difficulty in OS was better because it was just based on being able to access higher difficulty areas after ranking up.. If you want a recommendation for a turn based game, stop what you're doing and pirate Shadow Tactics

Damn I saw all these reviews spraying their shorts over II and thought that was the one you were recommending a lot on here a couple of years back. So is 1 a must play?

[DMC]

Bend over, I'll give you the best bang for your buck.

A fuckin' gigaflop.

[DJR210]

Damn I saw all these reviews spraying their shorts over II and thought that was the one you were recommending a lot on here a couple of years back. So is 1 a must play?

Yeah, the first is better

[baseline bum]

Wow CODEX just released the first crack of a Denuvo game in six months with Team Sonic Racing. Get in here DJR210, bout to be good times on the high seas again maybe.

[diego]

Might have to go with Ryzen next build, tbh... just added a 7TB SSD and new power brick to this box, so I'm ok for a while, but if we keep doing Unreal stuff, those Threadrippers are ridiculous.

wow, i didnt know even normal disks were going to 7tb, much less SSDs!

i finally picked up my first ssd for my pc, had been managing along with 2tb for about 9 years, but with the lockdown and my kids getting older it finally got unmanageable :lol yeah, it was probably worth it to have upgraded sooner, but better late than never

im going to try taking one of my (media) drives and connect it through USB to the router, anybody have any experience with that?

[ElNono]

wow, i didnt know even normal disks were going to 7tb, much less SSDs!

i finally picked up my first ssd for my pc, had been managing along with 2tb for about 9 years, but with the lockdown and my kids getting older it finally got unmanageable :lol yeah, it was probably worth it to have upgraded sooner, but better late than never

im going to try taking one of my (media) drives and connect it through USB to the router, anybody have any experience with that?

https://www.amazon.com/Micron-MTFDDAK7T6QDE-7-68TB-2-5-Inch-Enterprise/dp/B07JQ2F2WG

It's a bit pricey, and not nvme, so I only recommend if you need the capacity right now, I'm sure there will be bigger sized nvme drives in the future.

Never actually tried hooking a drive/printer to the router to use as a share, but I wouldn't expect it to be problematic if you use exFAT or FAT32...

[baseline bum]

Persona 4 Golden looks like it's coming to PC.

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Cry Havoc man, I know you were excited about Persona 5 to Switch back when that rumor seemed pretty strong, but P4G is another first rate JRPG. Should be great seeing it at 720p or better too.

[DJR210]

Just picked up the Corsair Ironclaw Wireless.. Such a good mouse

[TDMVPDPOY]

fck amd ryzen zen 3 apus faster then ryzen 5 3600 cpus and has integrated vega gpu...

htf is intel going to respond to amd gen 3 cpus? fkn rushed out gen 11 when gen10 is only a few weeks old?

[baseline bum]

18 minutes into the PC Gaming Show and it has been nothing but indie crap

[baseline bum]

Persona 4 Golden officially released on Steam, for $20. Get in here Cry Havoc this game is fucking great.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1113000/Persona_4_Golden/

[baseline bum]

God, the PC Gaming Show is 99% indie crap.

[TimDunkem]

God, the PC Gaming Show is 99% indie crap.

Thought I was watching a show from 2001 or something.

[baseline bum]

Thought I was watching a show from 2001 or something.

I got excited when I saw Sega and Atlus. The Atlus announcement for P4G was great, but man didn't see shit from Sega other than that (since Sega owns Atlus now). I was really hoping to see Judgment and/or Yakuza 4-6 announced for PC. Probably will just buy Judgment on PS4 now since it's on sale for $24 currently and it not being announced for PC yet means I won't see it for two years at best most likely if it does come to PC.

[baseline bum]

Horizon Zero Dawn coming August 7th. The recommended specs are pretty reasonable too:

Processor: Intel Core [email protected] or Ryzen 5 [email protected]
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 (6 GB) or AMD Radeon RX 580 (8GB)
DirectX: Version 12
Storage: 100 GB available space

[TDMVPDPOY]

cyberpunk looks like gta5 in a futuristic era right? looks good...

[RD2191]

AMD Ryzen 3, 256gb ssd, 8gb ram. Would this be decent for everyday web browsing? YouTube? Netflix? Some school work for my nephew? It's an HP prebuilt.

[baseline bum]

AMD Ryzen 3, 256gb ssd, 8gb ram. Would this be decent for everyday web browsing? YouTube? Netflix? Some school work for my nephew? It's an HP prebuilt.

That should do fine browsing pornhub and shitposting on reddit.

[RD2191]

That should do fine browsing pornhub and shitposting on reddit.

You know me all too well.

[baseline bum]

You know me all too well.

Which Ryzen 3 is it btw?

[RD2191]

Which Ryzen 3 is it btw?

Ryzen 3rd gen? Says 3200G?

[baseline bum]

Ryzen 3rd gen? Says 3200G?

I can't remember... were you interested in emulation before? Because a 3200G is a really nice cpu/gpu for emulating games. You should be able to run Gamecube, Wii, PSP, Dreamcast, Saturn, N64, PS1 really well and even some PS2 (problem with PS2 is mainly the emulator though, not that a 3200G isn't powerful enough). Also I know this video here is for 2200G, but 3200G is a better version of the 2200G.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgUVcI-8468

You can do AAA gaming on it too if you don't mind targeting 30 fps most of the time and sometimes dropping to 720p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdR4VHCHW2E

Though if you want to do AAA gaming I would recommend upgrading the RAM to 16GB since on an integrated gpu like is on the 3200G it has to use your RAM for video memory. All in all though 3200G is actually a pretty awesome low budget gaming chip.

[baseline bum]

Hell the Cemu Wii U emulator is good enough you can even play Wii U games at 720p on the 3200G it looks like:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-sDOMacLwI

Cemu is a little bit of a pain to setup but if you want to play Breath of Wild for free it's doable on that system too. I know you weren't asking about gaming but still, it's doable on that processor and its integrated gpu.

[baseline bum]

Might even get the Switch emulators running well on that someday.

[RD2191]

That's awesome. Thanks for the great info. Yeah, I'm definitely going to try and give emulation a go. I'm more into "retro" gaming so it'd be mostly snes/gamecube/ps1 emulation. I'd like to try ps2 but I've read it's a bit sketchy due to how the PS2 was designed or some shit like that?

[baseline bum]

That's awesome. Thanks for the great info. Yeah, I'm definitely going to try and give emulation a go. I'm more into "retro" gaming so it'd be mostly snes/gamecube/ps1 emulation. I'd like to try ps2 but I've read it's a bit sketchy due to how the PS2 was designed or some shit like that?

The PS2 emulator, RPCS2, is kind of like you start it up and see your PS2 game rendered at 1080p and think holy shit this looks incredible. So much better than a real PS2. But then you play for 15 minutes and notice the textures flickering, the sound slowing down, the minimap isn't rendered properly, the textboxes look a little off, all kinds of little shit that really pull you out of the game. It's pretty great for the games it works properly for but most games have little annoying bugs and require a lot of tweaking. Pretty much the opposite of the Dolphin emulator for Gamecube/Wii, which is the gold standard and is just pick the game, play it, and shit's perfect. The ePSXe emulator is awesome for PS1. You can put all kinds of filters on the graphics to completely change the art styles of the games for example. I remember one that would make any PS1 game look kind of like a watercolor painting and there was another filter that would make the graphics look like pen sketches.

[RD2191]

Damn. Fukin PS2. :lol

I mostly play Zelda games though so the Dolphin emulator sounds good.

So if I wanted to play games like AC Odyssey/Red Dead 2 I'd have to upgrade the ram? I know those are some pretty massive games though so it might be asking too much of this desktop lol

[baseline bum]

Damn. Fukin PS2. :lol

I mostly play Zelda games though so the Dolphin emulator sounds good.

So if I wanted to play games like AC Odyssey/Red Dead 2 I'd have to upgrade the ram? I know those are some pretty massive games though so it might be asking too much of this desktop lol

Here is an idea what to expect. I'll just link the video since the description gives timestamps for individual games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j1SXY-di-o

I don't know what he means by setting RDR2 to use 64 MB of VRAM though. No idea how he did that but seems like the game was pretty unplayable by using 2GB VRAM settings (leaving only 6GB for the game). I'd definitely add a second 8GB stick of RAM if you plan on doing any kind of AAA gaming though, because if you have browser windows open and especially tabs with say youtube videos, that will eat heavily into your RAM and usually 2GB or so of your RAM will be set aside for the gpu when doing modern AAA gaming.

[baseline bum]

It's actually pretty impressive the kind of games you can play on an integrated gpu these days, at least on the AMD chips. 2-3 years ago you couldn't play shit on built in gpus that came with the cpu. And you still can't on Intel chips, but the Ryzen 3 2200G, 2400G, 3200G, and 3400G are actually pretty good if you play on low settings and sometimes 720p, but where they really excel is for making small emulation machines. I was really impressed to see that it can run Zelda Breath of the Wild as well as a Wii U can.

[RD2191]

It's actually pretty impressive the kind of games you can play on an integrated gpu these days, at least on the AMD chips. 2-3 years ago you couldn't play shit on built in gpus that came with the cpu. And you still can't on Intel chips, but the Ryzen 3 2200G, 2400G, 3200G, and 3400G are actually pretty good if you play on low settings and sometimes 720p, but where they really excel is for making small emulation machines. I was really impressed to see that it can run Zelda Breath of the Wild as well as a Wii U can.
That"s pretty interesting. I might have to give it a shot, haven't played BOTW yet. And I'll be good with the GameCube and PS1 library for a good while, not big into modern games besides game set in historical settings. So would you recommend any prebuilt for AAA gaming or would that have to be a build your own?

[baseline bum]

That"s pretty interesting. I might have to give it a shot, haven't played BOTW yet. And I'll be good with the GameCube and PS1 library for a good while, not big into modern games besides game set in historical settings. So would you recommend any prebuilt for AAA gaming or would that have to be a build your own?

What does that system you're looking at cost? I'd almost always advocate building your own shit.

[RD2191]

What does that system you're looking at cost? I'd almost always advocate building your own shit.

I was just wondering in general. I don't want to spend 500+ on a console when I only play like 2-3 games on it and barely use it. I was thinking of getting a PC which I use a lot more.

[baseline bum]

I was just wondering in general. I don't want to spend 500+ on a console when I only play like 2-3 games on it and barely use it. I was thinking of getting a PC which I use a lot more.

Well if you do buy a PC don't expect it to be able to game nearly as well as that $500 PS5 or XBox Series X. It seriously costs around $1200+ if you want to outperform them. You can do a Ryzen 3 2200G build with 16GB of RAM and a 500GB SSD for around $430, and that will run emulators beautifully, while for AAA games like AC Origins or RDR2 you'd be looking at 720p low, 30 fps. Don't get me wrong, games like Rocket League or Overwatch should be doable at 1080p60 though. Though I am also assuming you pirate Windows. If you want a legit copy PCWorld currently has a promotion with Windows 10 retail (so it can be transferred to a new PC in the future) for $40.

If you want something that can play RDR2 at around 1080p, 60 fps with setting tweaks you're looking at probably around $600, maybe $550. If you go to $700 to $800 you can probably build something that should outperform the rumored lower end XBox Series S and that will play anything out there right now at 1080p 60 fps with minimal, if any, settings tweaks. If you want PS5 level though the graphics card alone is $500, and if you want an XBox Series X level system you're talking about $700 just for the graphics card. Though PS5 and XBox Series X will be targeting 4k, while the rumored XBox Series S should be 1080p.

[baseline bum]

Apparently no Denuvo in Horizon Zero Dawn for PC.

[140]

Apparently no Denuvo in Horizon Zero Dawn for PC.

Not a good port according to Digital Foundry tbh

[baseline bum]

Not a good port according to Digital Foundry tbh

Wow that is a dogshit port. OMG. Can't even run a steady 30 fps at 1080p on a GTX 1060? A 1060 is more than 3x more powerful than the gpu in the base PS4, and the base PS4 runs the game at an absolute rock solid locked 1080p30. This is really how Sony thought they were going to get PC gamers hyped on the franchise to try to entice them to buy a PS5?

I was going to sell my PS4 copy of the game but damn, I'm only rocking a 1660 Super and if the 1060 is struggling to get 30 fps I doubt the 1660 Super will have much luck even running a steady 45 fps. Amazing game but what a joke not being able to run 1080p60 on console settings on an RX 580/GTX 1060.

[baseline bum]

Supposedly September 9th is when the RTX 3000 series will be announced, according to GamersNexus.

[140]

No word on big navi yet?

[baseline bum]

No word on big navi yet?

listen...

[140]

w0t

[baseline bum]

w0t


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZY5owIvLBI

[140]

何

[baseline bum]

何

さあ、大きいナビの公開の時は、分かんないんだよ。お前のお母さんに訊いたらどう？もちろん、カッビのよう に彼女とエッチしたの後で・・・

[RD2191]

Give it to me straight, fellas. Will I be deported if I get caught downloading roms?

[140]

さあ、大きいナビの公開の時は、分かんないんだよ。お前のお母さんに訊いたらどう？もちろん、カッビのよう に彼女とエッチしたの後で・・・

:lmao

[baseline bum]

Give it to me straight, fellas. Will I be deported if I get caught downloading roms?

Get deported anyways

[RD2191]

Get deported anyways

:lol

[ElNono]

Give it to me straight, fellas. Will I be deported if I get caught downloading roms?

only if you're selling them in la pulga

[RD2191]

only if you're selling them in la pulga

:pctoss

[TimDunkem]

Nvidia 3080 paper launch confirmed:


It went from Notify Me to Out of Stock.This is an absolute joke.
Edit: To clarify, they had their server setup to flip from "Notify Me" to "Out_of_Stock" at 6AM Pacific. They never allowed the public to buy the 3080 FE as of right now. The product may not even exist for consumers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/iuj2sf/nvidia_didnt_make_any_3080_fe_available/
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/iujhh9/rtx_3080_it_never_was_in_stock/

Some people, somewhere, got 3rd party cards from BBY or Newegg, but I don't think anyone in NA got a FE card from Nvidia directly. What an absolute shit show. :lol

[baseline bum]

Nvidia 3080 paper launch confirmed:



https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/iuj2sf/nvidia_didnt_make_any_3080_fe_available/
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/iujhh9/rtx_3080_it_never_was_in_stock/

Some people, somewhere, got 3rd party cards from BBY or Newegg, but I don't think anyone in NA got a FE card from Nvidia directly. What an absolute shit show. :lol

Bots probably snatched them up, same shit was happening from April trough July any time Switches came in stock.

[TimDunkem]

Bots probably snatched them up, same shit was happening from April trough July any time Switches came in stock.
The issue is that no one is actually selling any FE cards. Ebay listings were dropping without sales likely because bots never even got them. I don't think the FE was ever actually for sale.

[baseline bum]

The issue is that no one is actually selling any FE cards. Ebay listings were dropping without sales likely because bots never even got them. I don't think the FE was ever actually for sale.

Wonder if Nvidia just sold their stock of FE to Chinese miners then and said fuck ever shipping these bitches overseas.

[TimDunkem]

Wonder if Nvidia just sold their stock of FE to Chinese miners then and said fuck ever shipping these bitches overseas.
There are plenty of conspiracies going around right now and that's one of them. :lol

Now watch Nvidia push the price up because of the artificial demand they just created.

Coming Holiday 2020: 3080 FE+ at 1k and this time there are plenty for you plebs to buy!

[baseline bum]

There are plenty of conspiracies going around right now and that's one of them. :lol

Now watch Nvidia push the price up because of the artificial demand they just created.

Coming Holiday 2020: 3080 FE+ at 1k and this time there are plenty for you plebs to buy!

Were you trying to get one?

[TimDunkem]

Were you trying to get one?
I was going to if I got the chance to nab a FE, but I'm not bummed about not getting one since my card is still a beast.

[TimDunkem]

BTW I got my tinfoil hat on now. :wow :lol



Now watch Nvidia push the price up because of the artificial demand they just created.

Coming Holiday 2020: 3080 FE+ at 1k and this time there are plenty for you plebs to buy!



https://youtu.be/SxtfNcm45xk

[baseline bum]

BTW I got my tinfoil hat on now. :wow :lol





https://youtu.be/SxtfNcm45xk

Yep that's same old Nvidia ever since Pascal. I still remember them hyping up the GTX 1070 as a $350 card but then they charged $450 for the Founders Edition. Well then all the aftermarket cards were $440 and up since the Founders Edition effectively set the street price. I mean you could find one or two models for $410 or $420, but they were the shittiest blower cards with terrible cooling and loud fans. It took 6-8 months I think before you could regularly find GTX 1070 for $350 even for the shit blowers.

[TimDunkem]

Yep that's same old Nvidia ever since Pascal. I still remember them hyping up the GTX 1070 as a $350 card but then they charged $450 for the Founders Edition. Well then all the aftermarket cards were $440 and up since the Founders Edition effectively set the street price. I mean you could find one or two models for $410 or $420, but they were the shittiest blower cards with terrible cooling and loud fans. It took 6-8 months I think before you could regularly find GTX 1070 for $350 even for the shit blowers.
Yep seems the same thing is playing out now. Turns out 699 WAS too good to be true.

They may let a few trickle out here and there, but the ultimate goal will be to push some new card out later at a higher price while, in the meantime, the aftermarket cards jump up. There will be some desperate dudes that'll be begging to give Nvidia their money by then.

[DJR210]

Can't wait for the 3070 so I can enjoy RDR2 the way it was meant to be played

[TDMVPDPOY]

everywhere is fkn sold out fe cards..fck nvidia

theres already talk of a 20gb card 3080 super/ti variance...in reply to amds 6xxx card 16gb

[TDMVPDPOY]

nvidia fe cooler costs then like $150 to RND

yet they ship the chip to 3rd party partners who then slop on their own cooler version... u telling me their coolers are more expensive then FE, yet only shown 1degree +/- vs FE cooler, why they charging 100-200 more then FE rrp? shit makes no fkn sense...

[TDMVPDPOY]

damn the benchmark leaks of the new amd ryzen 5xxx cpus... 15% IPU gains in multicores, 25% single core gains over the competitor...

[DMC]

damn the benchmark leaks of the new amd ryzen 5xxx cpus... 15% IPU gains in multicores, 25% single core gains over the competitor...

I'm getting ready to buy a new system and have been looking at the Ryzen. I am once bitten twice shy with AMD products. Has the Ryzen become a worthy processor over the gen 10 Intel?

[baseline bum]

I'm getting ready to buy a new system and have been looking at the Ryzen. I am once bitten twice shy with AMD products. Has the Ryzen become a worthy processor over the gen 10 Intel?

AMD's announcing their new cpus next week, so I'd at least hold off for that. As for how good AMD's cpus are right now, they're good enough to scare Intel into making their ~$180 i5-10400F a 6C/12T cpu and the $380 i7-10700k 8C/16T. Still, you don't get PCIE-4.0 with Intel yet. The reviews I have seen don't show PCIE-3.0 holding back even the RTX 3090 on a 10900k, but still, nowadays you buy a gaming cpu to last at least five years. Plus maybe you'd be kicking yourself for not being able to use PCIE-4.0 SSD if you go Intel. I'd definitely wait to see if AMD has a good response to the 10700k and the 10400F with the Ryzen 5000 series just to have PCIE-4.0.

Did you get burned buying one of the shitty FX series cpus? Those were fucking horrible. Ryzen 3000 series is probably their best line of cpus since the Athlon XP days when AMD was both cheaper and far superior to Intel's offerings.

[baseline bum]

damn the benchmark leaks of the new amd ryzen 5xxx cpus... 15% IPU gains in multicores, 25% single core gains over the competitor...

I find that hard to believe, but if so I'll definitely be itching to upgrade my Haswell Xeon to an R5 5600.

[DMC]

AMD's announcing their new cpus next week, so I'd at least hold off for that. As for how good AMD's cpus are right now, they're good enough to scare Intel into making their ~$180 i5-10400F a 6C/12T cpu and the $380 i7-10700k 8C/16T. Still, you don't get PCIE-4.0 with Intel yet. The reviews I have seen don't show PCIE-3.0 holding back even the RTX 3090 on a 10900k, but still, nowadays you buy a gaming cpu to last at least five years. Plus maybe you'd be kicking yourself for not being able to use PCIE-4.0 SSD if you go Intel. I'd definitely wait to see if AMD has a good response to the 10700k and the 10400F with the Ryzen 5000 series just to have PCIE-4.0.

Did you get burned buying one of the shitty FX series cpus? Those were fucking horrible. Ryzen 3000 series is probably their best line of cpus since the Athlon XP days when AMD was both cheaper and far superior to Intel's offerings.

my mb died so I ordered a new one but I am thinking now about updating the mb, mem and processor and sticking with my 1080ti FE. Cheaper option than dropping 3K on shit I already own.

It's been a while and I cannot recall the exact CPU that fucked me over. I just know it was a socket 7, that was how long ago.

[ElNono]

Ryzen is legit. Heck, I'm eyeing some of their newer Threadrippers...

Don't think I would jump from NVidia to AMD for GPUs yet though.

[baseline bum]

Ryzen is legit. Heck, I'm eyeing some of their newer Threadrippers...

Don't think I would jump from NVidia to AMD for GPUs yet though.

You think PCIE-4.0 is worth holding out for? Especially for SSDs? Was pretty convinced on getting a Ryzen 5 chip until Intel got scared and released the i5-10400F to compete with it after AMD was handing Intel their asses for so long in the midrange.

[DMC]

You think PCIE-4.0 is worth holding out for? Especially for SSDs? Was pretty convinced on getting a Ryzen 5 chip until Intel got scared and released the i5-10400F to compete with it after AMD was handing Intel their asses for so long in the midrange.

Case : MILLENNIUM Chassis
Side Panels : Tempered Glass-Tempered Glass
Exterior Color : Glacier White
Interior Color : Origin PC White
Interior Lighting : Origin PC White
Current Special Offer : FREE US Ground Shipping*
Variable Mounting : Standard Orientation
Processors : AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core 3.8GHz (4.6GHz Max Boost)
Motherboard : MSI MEG X570 ACE
Memory : 32GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM - WHITE 3200MHz RGB (2x16GB)
System Cooling : CORSAIR H150i PRO RGB
System Fans : CORSAIR SP120 PRO Performance iCUE RGB controlled by iCUE software
Graphics Cards : NVIDIA 11GB GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Blower*
GPU : 1
Operating System : MS Windows 10 Home
Hard Drive Cage : 5 Bay Hard-Drive Cage
Operating System Drive : 1TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2
RAID : No RAID
Power Supply : CORSAIR 850X RMX SERIES PLUS GOLD - White
Power Supply Sleeved Cable : White Sleeved Cables +90
Audio : Integrated High-Definition Audio
Networking : Onboard Network Port
The ORIGIN Difference : The Best Gaming Experience Guaranteed
ORIGIN Maximum Protection Shipping Process : ORIGIN Wooden Crate Armor
24/7 U.S Based Warranty : 1 Year Part Replacement with 45 Day Free Shipping
Free ORIGIN PC Gear : ORIGIN PC T-Shirt
Size : Medium
Free ORIGIN PC Gear : ORIGIN PC Mousepad

how do these specs look?

[baseline bum]

Case : MILLENNIUM Chassis
Side Panels : Tempered Glass-Tempered Glass
Exterior Color : Glacier White
Interior Color : Origin PC White
Interior Lighting : Origin PC White
Current Special Offer : FREE US Ground Shipping*
Variable Mounting : Standard Orientation
Processors : AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core 3.8GHz (4.6GHz Max Boost)
Motherboard : MSI MEG X570 ACE
Memory : 32GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM - WHITE 3200MHz RGB (2x16GB)
System Cooling : CORSAIR H150i PRO RGB
System Fans : CORSAIR SP120 PRO Performance iCUE RGB controlled by iCUE software
Graphics Cards : NVIDIA 11GB GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Blower*
GPU : 1
Operating System : MS Windows 10 Home
Hard Drive Cage : 5 Bay Hard-Drive Cage
Operating System Drive : 1TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2
RAID : No RAID
Power Supply : CORSAIR 850X RMX SERIES PLUS GOLD - White
Power Supply Sleeved Cable : White Sleeved Cables +90
Audio : Integrated High-Definition Audio
Networking : Onboard Network Port
The ORIGIN Difference : The Best Gaming Experience Guaranteed
ORIGIN Maximum Protection Shipping Process : ORIGIN Wooden Crate Armor
24/7 U.S Based Warranty : 1 Year Part Replacement with 45 Day Free Shipping
Free ORIGIN PC Gear : ORIGIN PC T-Shirt
Size : Medium
Free ORIGIN PC Gear : ORIGIN PC Mousepad

how do these specs look?

You should absolutely 100% not buy that system. I just looked it up on their website and it looks like they're hosing you for around $1100 for an RTX 2080 Ti. That gpu isn't going to be worth more than $450 in ten days when the faster RTX 3070 drops for $500. The RTX 3080 is already out and 35% faster than the RTX 2080 Ti for $700 MSRP, though I usually saw them selling closer to $800 back when Microcenter had a bunch of them (3080 is tough to find in stock anywhere right now though).

Also that is a really lousy 2080 Ti they're putting in there. That's ridiculous for them to be selling a blower card in such a high dollar setup.

[DMC]

I was looking at NZXT, they have the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 - GIGABYTE EAGLE OC 10G for about MSRP and their entire system built and shipped is about half the price of Origin. I don't know anything about NZXT though, and all their components seem to be 3rd party.

[baseline bum]

I was looking at NZXT, they have the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 - GIGABYTE EAGLE OC 10G for about MSRP and their entire system built and shipped is about half the price of Origin. I don't know anything about NZXT though, and all their components seem to be 3rd party.

I like some of NZXT's cases a lot. Don't really know too much about their power supplies. Everything else in the system other than the fans and maybe RGB and fan controller are going to be third party.

[DMC]

I like some of NZXT's cases a lot. Don't really know too much about their power supplies. Everything else in the system other than the fans and maybe RGB and fan controller are going to be third party.

I meant to say they don't seem to have high end stuff. I can only go as high as 500G M.2 if I want the Evo 970.The CPU for intel only goes to lowest i9. The PSUs are corsair or NZXT (rebrand most likely). Memory choices are GSKILL trident or Team T-Force. Case options are ok. Seems easy enough to access.

[ElNono]

The 1TB NVMe is good enough just for the OS and Apps... you probably want to snatch something higher capacity. Even 2TB will give you a nice offset.

4TB/8TB as a separate NVMe stick would also work out, but they're still fairly pricey unless you really need them.

[ElNono]

I meant to say they don't seem to have high end stuff. I can only go as high as 500G M.2 if I want the Evo 970.The CPU for intel only goes to lowest i9. The PSUs are corsair or NZXT (rebrand most likely). Memory choices are GSKILL trident or Team T-Force. Case options are ok. Seems easy enough to access.

You really want a Seasonic 1KW PSU. Just buy it once, it's modular, solid brand, you probably won't have to change it again.

[ElNono]

You think PCIE-4.0 is worth holding out for? Especially for SSDs? Was pretty convinced on getting a Ryzen 5 chip until Intel got scared and released the i5-10400F to compete with it after AMD was handing Intel their asses for so long in the midrange.

It's legit twice the bandwidth of PCIE3. But the problem with making a build right now is that we just don't know when things like PCIE4 NVMe sticks are going to come out.

Probably within another 6 months, but hard to tell with this pandemic shit.

[baseline bum]

You really want a Seasonic 1KW PSU. Just buy it once, it's modular, solid brand, you probably won't have to change it again.

1000W seems like enormous overkill in the age of dual gpu not really being supported any more in games.

[DMC]

You really want a Seasonic 1KW PSU. Just buy it once, it's modular, solid brand, you probably won't have to change it again.

My PSU is fine. The mobo has a short through the TPU.

[DMC]

The 1TB NVMe is good enough just for the OS and Apps... you probably want to snatch something higher capacity. Even 2TB will give you a nice offset.

4TB/8TB as a separate NVMe stick would also work out, but they're still fairly pricey unless you really need them.

I have 1tb 970 EVO already and a couple SSDs. I just need the OS drive and they can keep their overpriced secondary drives. My concern is they will take the money for the build then not ship because they don't have the 3080 yet

[DMC]

CASE:
NZXT H710 (White)

MSRP
$139.99

GPU:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 - GIGABYTE EAGLE OC 10G
MSRP
$729.99

CPU:
Intel Core i9-10850K 10-Core 3.6GHz (fastest one they offer)

MSRP
$489.99

CPU COOLING:
NZXT Kraken Z73 with LCD display

MSRP
$279.99

MOTHERBOARD:
ASUS ROG Maximus XII Hero

MSRP
$399.99

RAM:
G.SKILL Trident Z Royal RGB 3600MHz (max speed) 16GB (2X8GB)

MSRP
$119.99

SSD:MSRP
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500.0 GB
$119.99

POWER:
NZXT C850 Gold

MSRP
$129.99

RGBs:MSRP
NZXT RGB Internal Lighting Kit

$59.99

SOFTWARE:
Windows 10 Home

MSRP
$119.99

SERVICE:
$99.00
BLD Assembly & Service Package Standard

2 years warranty on all parts & labor
Ships within 2 business days (builds with NVIDIA 30 series may take longer pending availability)
Guaranteed game performance
Professional wire management
Please ensure all parts selections are correct. Within 2 hours of purchase, you can change or cancel your order. Beyond this window, any changes may incur additional fees or delay your order.
Estimated shipping date 10/06/2020

[DMC]

mobo doesn't support PCIe 4.0 because the comet lake doesn't work with it. I guess that mobo will support comet lake processors.

[DMC]

It's legit twice the bandwidth of PCIE3. But the problem with making a build right now is that we just don't know when things like PCIE4 NVMe sticks are going to come out.

Probably within another 6 months, but hard to tell with this pandemic shit.

I've never been one to worry about missing soon to release tech.. hasn't seemed to deter me from buying and AFAIK hasn't hampered my experience (ignorance is bliss)

[ElNono]

1000W seems like enormous overkill in the age of dual gpu not really being supported any more in games.

The reason I mentioned 1000W is twofold. Good PSUs like Seasonic will switch to low-power mode when the load isn't too big, and they're simply solidly built and last.

The other reason is that AMD has never cared too much about low wattage, and now that Intel has found itself cornered, I see their new CPUs have generally larger TDP too.

So there's no reason to get something high that will stand pretty much any build, IMO.

[ElNono]

CASE:
NZXT H710 (White)

MSRP
$139.99

GPU:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 - GIGABYTE EAGLE OC 10G
MSRP
$729.99

CPU:
Intel Core i9-10850K 10-Core 3.6GHz (fastest one they offer)

MSRP
$489.99

CPU COOLING:
NZXT Kraken Z73 with LCD display

MSRP
$279.99

MOTHERBOARD:
ASUS ROG Maximus XII Hero

MSRP
$399.99

RAM:
G.SKILL Trident Z Royal RGB 3600MHz (max speed) 16GB (2X8GB)

MSRP
$119.99

SSD:MSRP
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500.0 GB
$119.99

POWER:
NZXT C850 Gold

MSRP
$129.99

RGBs:MSRP
NZXT RGB Internal Lighting Kit

$59.99

SOFTWARE:
Windows 10 Home

MSRP
$119.99

SERVICE:
$99.00
BLD Assembly & Service Package Standard

2 years warranty on all parts & labor
Ships within 2 business days (builds with NVIDIA 30 series may take longer pending availability)
Guaranteed game performance
Professional wire management
Please ensure all parts selections are correct. Within 2 hours of purchase, you can change or cancel your order. Beyond this window, any changes may incur additional fees or delay your order.
Estimated shipping date 10/06/2020

That looks pretty solid (the build, haven't looked prices). I would throw in another 16GB in there, but can be done later on.

[ElNono]

What are you planning to run on this thing, if you can say?

i9s are fairly solid, I'm running one right now.

[baseline bum]

The reason I mentioned 1000W is twofold. Good PSUs like Seasonic will switch to low-power mode when the load isn't too big, and they're simply solidly built and last.

The other reason is that AMD has never cared too much about low wattage, and now that Intel has found itself cornered, I see their new CPUs have generally larger TDP too.

So there's no reason to get something high that will stand pretty much any build, IMO.

Lots of really high quality PSUs without having to go so overboard though. You're talking $440 and up for Seasonic Gold or better, 1000W or higher, when you could get a really high quality 750W unit that is still pretty overkill for any single gpu system that's unlikely to go much past 500W under full load (eg Furmark + Prime95) with a i9-10900k + RTX 3080 for way less. For instance, Super Flower who used to make all the really high end EVGA G2 power supplies that came with 10 year warranties is finally entering the US market under their own name and you can get the Leadex III 750W Gold with a 10 year warranty for $170.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BJZVDP8

I'm not one to sacrifice on power supply but those ultra high power Seasonic units seem way overboard unless you're mining eth or something with multiple gpus.

[DMC]

That looks pretty solid (the build, haven't looked prices). I would throw in another 16GB in there, but can be done later on.

The problem with adding another 16 gig is it causes the CPU cooler to have to sit at a different orientation. Since it has an LCD screen that could be awkward. I've done just fine with 16 Like your said, I could add more later if I wanted. I think the price is around 2800

[DMC]

What are you planning to run on this thing, if you can say?

i9s are fairly solid, I'm running one right now.

Games and goofing off stuff. But since I have a 49 in curved monitor quite often I have several applications open at the same time including a movie, a game, a spreadsheet and maybe couple other things. I won't pretend I need this much power but I'm not going to try to save a couple hundred bucks to go middle of the road and this is not super high end compared to some systems.

Yeah I'm sure the I 9 is just fine but i would like to get the 10900 instead of the 10850

[ElNono]

Lots of really high quality PSUs without having to go so overboard though. You're talking $440 and up for Seasonic Gold or better, 1000W or higher, when you could get a really high quality 750W unit that is still pretty overkill for any single gpu system that's unlikely to go much past 500W under full load (eg Furmark + Prime95) with a i9-10900k + RTX 3080 for way less. For instance, Super Flower who used to make all the really high end EVGA G2 power supplies that came with 10 year warranties is finally entering the US market under their own name and you can get the Leadex III 750W Gold with a 10 year warranty for $170.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BJZVDP8

I'm not one to sacrifice on power supply but those ultra high power Seasonic units seem way overboard unless you're mining eth or something with multiple gpus.

I was fucking around with Parts Picker yesterday and put together a 881W system, without actually trying.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MNCyp2

Then again, definitely not your average joe build.

[DMC]

I was fucking around with Parts Picker yesterday and put together a 881W system, without actually trying.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MNCyp2

Then again, definitely not your average joe build.

Lol

[baseline bum]

I was fucking around with Parts Picker yesterday and put together a 881W system, without actually trying.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MNCyp2

Then again, definitely not your average joe build.

I mean if he was going with a 300W cpu and 350W gpu, yeah I could see it then. :lol

[DMC]

I could get those parts from newegg and build it myself but I really got sick of doing that shit back in the day. I got tired of having to find the right bios versions and dealing with driver issues and faulty parts. If I enjoyed it that would be different.

[ElNono]

Games and goofing off stuff. But since I have a 49 in curved monitor quite often I have several applications open at the same time including a movie, a game, a spreadsheet and maybe couple other things. I won't pretend I need this much power but I'm not going to try to save a couple hundred bucks to go middle of the road and this is not super high end compared to some systems.

Yeah I'm sure the I 9 is just fine but i would like to get the 10900 instead of the 10850

Yeah, I'm sure that box will work out for that.

[DMC]

Yeah, I'm sure that box will work out for that.

The one I got works just fine for it if i had a motherboard which will be here in a few days. It just got me looking into upgrading. You know how it goes once you start looking.

I would have ordered that one I listed above if I was comfortable that they have the 3080 on stock. I highly doubt they do and I don't want to be on the back burner for a month and a 1/2 watching other shit come out better and cheaper while my system isn't even built yet.

[baseline bum]

I could get those parts from newegg and build it myself but I really got sick of doing that shit back in the day. I got tired of having to find the right bios versions and dealing with driver issues and faulty parts. If I enjoyed it that would be different.

I wouldn't sweat the difference between the 10850k and 10900k then if you prefer prebuilt, it's only 100 MHz and the 10900k probably overclocks marginally better on average. Otherwise they look like the same cpu. But out of the box performance is basically identical and those chips turbo boost so aggressively you're not likely getting much out of an overclock anyways.

[ElNono]

The one I got works just fine for it if i had a motherboard which will be here in a few days. It just got me looking into upgrading. You know how it goes once you start looking.

yup. I sorta maxed out my box here too with the last RAM upgrade, so I was more looking into what my next build will likely be.

[baseline bum]

yup. I sorta maxed out my box here too with the last RAM upgrade, so I was more looking into what my next build will likely be.

Bend over, I'll max out your box.

[DMC]

yup. I sorta maxed out my box here too with the last RAM upgrade, so I was more looking into what my next build will likely be.

You went a bit crazy on that build though. Did I see a $1300 M.2?

[ElNono]

You went a bit crazy on that build though. Did I see a $1300 M.2?

It's 8TB though. I have a 7.5TB SSD right now (SATA3), this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Micron-MTFDDAK7T6QDE-7-68TB-2-5-Inch-Enterprise/dp/B07JQ2F2WG

Way faster than an HDD, but nowhere near as fast as an NVMe drive. I'm working with shit ton of data nowadays. I only have 2.5TB free on that drive already.

I also have a 1TB boot SSD (SATA3) and 1TB NVMe when I need to make builds. I'd like to consolidate everything into NVMe, even more if I can snag PCIE4 drives.

[DMC]

It's 8TB though. I have a 7.5TB SSD right now (SATA3), this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Micron-MTFDDAK7T6QDE-7-68TB-2-5-Inch-Enterprise/dp/B07JQ2F2WG

Way faster than an HDD, but nowhere near as fast as an NVMe drive. I'm working with shit ton of data nowadays. I only have 2.5TB free on that drive already.

I also have a 1TB boot SSD (SATA3) and 1TB NVMe when I need to make builds. I'd like to consolidate everything into NVMe, even more if I can snag PCIE4 drives.

If it's for work that's different (and tax deductible).

So I ordered the system listed above. Hopefully they ship when they stated in my receipt email (10/6). I didn't see dropping extra 180.00 for next day though. When the mobo arrives for this other one I will install and test, then probably give it to my grandson (lucky kid).

[ElNono]

If it's for work that's different (and tax deductible).

So I ordered the system listed above. Hopefully they ship when they stated in my receipt email (10/6). I didn't see dropping extra 180.00 for next day though. When the mobo arrives for this other one I will install and test, then probably give it to my grandson (lucky kid).

Well, with this WFH thing going on, work and home is a blurred line, tbh... that said, company offered to pay for upgrades/new gear if necessary, so I might opt into it.

[TDMVPDPOY]

u build him a badass system, but he still uses a 1080p screen?

[DMC]

u build him a badass system, but he still uses a 1080p screen?

Who?

[DMC]

Seems like I may have gotten the last 3080 GPU in stock or it's not even available for me. This morning when I checked their site there was a notice that those GPUs were no longer available and you had to order a 2080ti instead as the best they offer. Hopefully I snuck in BTL.

[baseline bum]

Seems like I may have gotten the last 3080 GPU in stock or it's not even available for me. This morning when I checked their site there was a notice that those GPUs were no longer available and you had to order a 2080ti instead as the best they offer. Hopefully I snuck in BTL.

Wow would suck if they tried to stick you with the 2080 Ti. 3080 mops the floor with it.

[DMC]

Wow would suck if they tried to stick you with the 2080 Ti. 3080 mops the floor with it.

They can go back and fuck their mothers some more. I won't take shipment of something I didn't order, because I have the invoice and that's that. I would take a free 2080Ti though.


Order Summary

NZXT H710 Build

NZXT H710 (White)

NZXT Kraken Z73 with LCD display

ASUS ROG Maximus XII Hero (Wi-Fi)

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 - GIGABYTE EAGLE OC 10G

Intel Core i9-10850K 10-Core 3.6GHz

NZXT C850 Gold

G.SKILL Trident Z Royal RGB 3600MHz 3600 MHz (max speed) 16GB (2 X 8 GB) More Info

Samsung 970 EVO Plus (500.0 GB)

NZXT RGB Internal Lighting Kit

Standard

Windows 10 Home

Sub total
$2,688.90

Discount
-

Shipping
$50.00

TX STATE TAX
$171.18

Total (USD)
$2,910.08

[TimDunkem]

My Gigabyte Gaming OC 3080 came in today and it slaps. ^The Eagle is solid as well. I would've definitely went with Ryzen, but that's still a great system. :tu

[baseline bum]

My Gigabyte Gaming OC 3080 came in today and it slaps. ^The Eagle is solid as well. I would've definitely went with Ryzen, but that's still a great system. :tu

Intel actually came correct with the 10000 series even in the midrange (they're always the best if you're buying in the high end). Then again Ryzen 3 sounds like it might shit all over those gains in a week or two.

So is it tough selling your 2070 Super in this market? Can't imagine how much that card is going to tank when 3070 drops for $500 at the end of the month.

[TimDunkem]

Intel actually came correct with the 10000 series even in the midrange (they're always the best if you're buying in the high end). Then again Ryzen 3 sounds like it might shit all over those gains in a week or two.

So is it tough selling your 2070 Super in this market? Can't imagine how much that card is going to tank when 3070 drops for $500 at the end of the month.

It was easier than I thought. I threw it on Ebay, forgot about it, and woke up one day to see it sold. I paid about 545 after tax and sold it for 500. I got lucky for sure. Too bad Ebay and Paypal cut into that a bit with their fees. Can't imagine how some of those 2080ti guys feel right now. :lol

[baseline bum]

It was easier than I thought. I threw it on Ebay, forgot about it, and woke up one day to see it sold. I paid about 545 after tax and sold it for 500. I got lucky for sure. Too bad Ebay and Paypal cut into that a bit with their fees. Can't imagine how some of those 2080ti guys feel right now. :lol

Wow, can't believe you got that much. When did you put it up on ebay?

[TimDunkem]

Wow, can't believe you got that much. When did you put it up on ebay?

Maybe a week or two before launch and it sold a few days after. :lol There were no shortage of desperate people looking for anything to throw in their rig. Even now guys are buying 20 series cards from EVGA to apply for their step-up program so they can get a 3080 later and have something in their builds for now.

[baseline bum]

Maybe a week or two before launch and it sold a few days after. :lol There were no shortage of desperate people looking for anything to throw in their rig. Even now guys are buying 20 series cards from EVGA to apply for their step-up program so they can get a 3080 later and have something in their builds for now.

Wow, that's dumb to do right now for Step-Up since Step-Up usually only works for a couple of models of a given card.

[DMC]

We are dealing with a large volume of orders right now especially since the 3080's went back in stock during the weekend.

I see your order is due to and we will try our best to have it complete and await pick up from FedEx.

Thank you for your patience
---

Obviously the stock didn't last long. Hopefully I got one.


Edit: It's in build now looks like I got in just in time.

[ElNono]

Just read the NVidia CEO saying they're selling like hotcakes and likely will have inventory problems until next year.

[DMC]

What's the difference between like the OC Eagle and the EVGA offering? Just over clocking stuff and some cosmetics?

[DMC]

Just read the NVidia CEO saying they're selling like hotcakes and likely will have inventory problems until next year.

Huge problem with bots purchasing these things online for resale like scalpers, of course that's not really a problem for the manufacturer but it would eventually be since people get turned off to new releases if that's the case.

[ElNono]

What's the difference between like the OC Eagle and the EVGA offering? Just over clocking stuff and some cosmetics?

They're always mostly smaller diffs... like some extra clocking with bigger fans, and shit like that.

[baseline bum]

What's the difference between like the OC Eagle and the EVGA offering? Just over clocking stuff and some cosmetics?

Usually each company will have 4 or more different cards for per gpu. The early cards almost always use a reference PCB, eg the one Nvidia specifies. Later on you'll see higher end cards with custom build PCB for cleaner power delivery and perhaps better cooling to allow for higher overclocks. With Nvidia cards you're usually fine buying anything but a blower. Blowers are terrible because they're really loud and often the RAM gets really hot. Now if you're buying AMD cards that consume a lot of power you have to be really careful about the specific model you buy, because often companies will slap coolers designed for Nvidia's cards on the AMD ones and they're horrible since they weren't designed for the card they're put onto. This is a huge problem with RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT for example. There are some Asus, XFX, and MSI models of these cards that let their VRAM get up to 100-105 Celsius which is probably going to kill a ton of those cards in 2-3 years. Mostly though for non-blower Nvidia cards the difference is sound levels vs size (bigger card = quieter usually) and slight differences in the default clock speed out of the box. How well your card overclocks is mostly a function of how good the chip you got in the card is, and that's pretty random unless you spend high dollars for binned cards like MSI Lightning or EVGA Kingpin. And those are really designed for dumbasses trying to set world records with liquid nitrogen cooling.

tl;dr version - your card is one of those giant 3 fan models, so it's probably one of the quieter running models of the 3080

[ElNono]

Another thing that might differ is the count and type of connectors, so be in the lookout for that.

[TimDunkem]

Another thing that might differ is the count and type of connectors, so be in the lookout for that.

This. Had to buy two third party corsair compatible 8 to 8 pin connectors for the gpu because the 2s on my 6+2s didn't fit.

[DMC]

This. Had to buy two third party corsair compatible 8 to 8 pin connectors for the gpu because the 2s on my 6+2s didn't fit.

Rear connector accomodations as well? (Bend over, etc...)

[DMC]

Tracking says it will arrive Saturday. It's going to be interesting to see how motivated I am to fix the 1080Ti rig once the mobo arrives in a week or two...

[baseline bum]

Damn AMD is claiming a +19% IPC upgrade with Zen 3 vs Zen 2. Zen 2 was 15% over Zen 1 by comparison.

[baseline bum]

Ugh $300 for the 6c/12t 5600X.

[DMC]

Ugh $300 for the 6c/12t 5600X.

Is that bad?

[baseline bum]

Is that bad?

Went up $100 vs the R5 3600. Can't believe Intel is going to end up the bang for your buck performance king. :lmao

Chip looks like it's going to be like 15-20% faster than the $180 6c/12t i5-10400f in gaming for $300.

[DMC]

Went up $100 vs the R5 3600. Can't believe Intel is going to end up the bang for your buck performance king. :lmao

Chip looks like it's going to be like 15-20% faster than the $180 6c/12t i5-10400f in gaming for $300.

Maybe I didn't fuck up too bad lol