Building a ~$1,000 gaming PC

[Sisk]

Looking to build a new gaming computer and I'm willing to spend around $1k. I do need a monitor. Anything I should know or avoid? The last time I built a computer was 5+ years ago so I have not kept up with anything at all. Any advice is appreciated.

[symple19]

Cry Havoc and DJR210 are your go-to guys for this, tbh

[leemajors]

Cry Havoc and DJR210 are your go-to guys for this, tbh

this. some nice monitors out cheap right now too, such as this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236335

[baseline bum]

Just buy a Playstation. PCs are for fags. :stirpot:

[symple19]

Just buy a Playstation. PCs are for fags. :stirpot:

:lol :tu

[IronMaxipad]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AvaYhPmP5kwadHZsOW9QVFRkZEpzcUplak5zZFUyYnc&output=html

[TDMVPDPOY]

if ur interested ina 27inch IPS panel, buy online from the korean ebay seller...YAMAKASI Q271 LED 2560X1440WQHD 27" S-IPS
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120988281670

YAMAKASI DS270 IPS SE LED 27" 2560X1440 AH-IPS DVI-D

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111130035318?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

around 300-350

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

if ur interested ina 27inch IPS panel, buy online from the korean ebay seller...YAMAKASI Q271 LED 2560X1440WQHD 27" S-IPS
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120988281670

YAMAKASI DS270 IPS SE LED 27" 2560X1440 AH-IPS DVI-D

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111130035318?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

around 300-350 i second these monitors, buy direct from dem yellows and save

Then get a 7970 ghz. Edition, i5 Cpu, motherboard, ram, and SSD

[leemajors]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AvaYhPmP5kwadHZsOW9QVFRkZEpzcUplak5zZFUyYnc&output=html

:tu

[Sisk]

Thanks for the info everyone.

PC >>>> console tbh. Was thinking about buying a PS4 for GTA V and The Division but since they're both going to PC I don't see the point.

[Wild Cobra]

if ur interested ina 27inch IPS panel, buy online from the korean ebay seller...YAMAKASI Q271 LED 2560X1440WQHD 27" S-IPS
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120988281670

YAMAKASI DS270 IPS SE LED 27" 2560X1440 AH-IPS DVI-D

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111130035318?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

around 300-350

Yes, go with a monitor like this or better. Unless new prices are similar today, I would ask what's wrong with that one... for only $407 US dollars. That probably is a proper price as I haven't shopped for a high end monitor in a couple years.

That is a QHD monotor (2560 x 1440.) HD is your 1280 x 720, this is the same resolution as a HD TV double the pixels horizontal and vertical. This is probably the least expensive format to attach to a good gaming system. I have a 24" WUXGA which is 1920 x 1200. I plan to buy a WQXGA, which is 2560 x 1600, but these traditional 16:10 monitors are generally about twice as expensive as their television counterpart formats that are 16:9. As you see, the WUXGA has the same pixel width as the QHD, and is 160 pixels taller.

Physical size.

If you go with a 27", 16:9 (wide TV format) vs. 19:10 (wide computer format) will have a different screen size. The QHD screen will be 21.6 x 15.9 inches. The WUXGA will be 21.1 x 16.7. Not a bug difference, but keep in mind, not all monitor sizes are equal. it changes with their aspect ratio. Go to the 30", and and of your wide TV formats will be 24" x 17.7" and the wide TV formats 23.5" x 18.6". We lose an inch of width, but gain almost an inch of height at this point.

A gaming system is only as good as it's weakest link. This is usually the human controlling the game. The monitor must be fast and have detailed resolution for advanced game players, else we are operating at a disadvantage. The last time I looked into a WQXGA monitor, they were about $1,400. That was when I paid $380 and $360 for the two WUXGA monitors I have. I need to look again. They are a few years old now. Maybe the prices have come to a point where I will buy one.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i recommend buying the video card last, since amd and nvidia are releasing new cards around the corner....unless u can find real cheap bargains with current generation high end cards.....

[DJR210]

Just buy a Playstation. PCs are for fags. :stirpot:

:lol I'll still bend your wife over.

Here's my recommendation for a 1K build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1OLGu

Total cost: 944.17

This is the cost of the PC itself. You would need to supply an OS, and the input devices on top. I can also build one that includes the OS and the input devices, but you won't get as good of a graphics card, or as current of a processor/motherboard.

Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro 3 99.00 - Not many bells and whistles but a motherboard to support the newest 1150 processor sockets.

Processor: Intel Core i5 4670k 239.00 - Games are not really taking advantage of more than four cores so the i5's are still a good choice here. The 4670k gives you great performance and the ability to overclock easily by simply adjusting the multiplier in the BIOS.

CPU Cooler: (Optional) Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo 29.00 - If you aren't planning to overclock you can skip this part. Stock cooling would be just fine. I overclocked to 4.5 Ghz and this cooler works just fine in keeping my temps down.

Graphics Card - Asus 670 2GB 276.00 - Not EVGA (ASUS is still legit) which is the best Nvidia GPU manufacturer IMO, but 276.00 is a damn good price for a 670. Depending on the framerate you prefer, you will run all of your games on Ultra settings. The most intensive games may require you to lower anti aliasing a notch to stay locked at 60 FPS. Plus you get Arkham Origins free to test out the card.

Memory - Corsair Vengeance 1866 8GB Memory 79.00 - 8 GB's will be more than enough. Most current games are still fine with 4GB.

Storage - Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 79.00 - I'd recommend 2TB at least as your games and HD movies will eat space quicker than you think, but for the sake of your budget we'll make it work.

Case - I have one selected for you in the link above, but there are too many options for me to recommend you one here. The one I picked is 45.00, but depending on what you want this could go up to 200 bucks.

Optical Drive LG Model 15.00 - Barebones LG DVD/CD drive. Get's the job done.

Power Supply - Corsair ATX12V 550W Gold Rated PSU - Corsair and Seasonic are the most trustworthy brands IMO. The gold rating means you will go easy on the electricity use through efficiency. You get a damn good PSU, but you pay less because you do not get modular (detachable) cables, and will have more clutter (less airflow) in the case.


if ur interested ina 27inch IPS panel, buy online from the korean ebay seller... The Korean 1440's are a great option, and a ton of people have had success in importing them. Just hope you don't get one with dead pixels because the return process will be a pain in the ass. Also, if the OP wants to game at 60 FPS or better, he's gonna need a second graphics card to game on ultra at that resolution.


this. some nice monitors out cheap right now too, such as this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236335

That is a nice monitor. I bought this one and love it: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260109

It's nearly bezel-less which would be great for multi-monitor setups.

[DJR210]

Here's another build, this is more of a budget one and includes the OS, monitor, and even an SSD for your OS and a couple games/apps. I went AMD with this one.

Total cost = 945.39 - http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1OOvh

Motherboard - AMD 970 Pro3 - 72.55

Processor - AMD 8150 8-Core Processor - 139.00

Graphics Card - MSI 7870 GHz Edition - 169.00

Memory - G. Skill Ripjaws X 8 GB - 65.94

SSD - Samsung 840 EVO - 99.99

HDD - WD Caviar Black 1TB - 79.99

Case - Basic Thermaltake Case - 21.99

PSU - Corsair CX 430 Bronze - 24.99

Optical Drive - Basic Samsung Drive - 14.99

OS - Windows 8 64-Bit OEM - 94.98

Monitor - Dell S2340M - 159.99

You could always get rid of the SSD, and pirate the OS (easy) to get another 200.00 towards the processor and GPU. By doing so you can upgrade the GPU to a 7970, the processor to an 8350, and increase the PSU to a 600W model for 969.00. Here's the link for that one:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1OP47

Good luck with your build!

[leemajors]

Dell has a good sale on monitors right now too, think i saw a 27" ips led for $300

[baseline bum]

You could always get rid of the SSD, and pirate the OS (easy) to get another 200.00 towards the processor and GPU.

Wow, is Windows still as easy to pirate as back in the FCKGW days?

[DJR210]

Wow, is Windows still as easy to pirate as back in the FCKGW days?

Not sure how easy 8 is, but 7 was simple as hell. Install, skip the registration, then run the included app and select the brand you wish your PC to be labeled as to Windows.

[Sisk]

Thanks for all of that info DJR/Cobra. I will take a look at that now. When are NVIDIA and AMD supposed to be updating their video cards?

And yeah, I have windows 7 already so no worries on that front.

[DJR210]

Nvidia just dropped the 700 series of cards a few months ago. AMD just launched their R7 and R9 cards this week or last week iirc.

[Sisk]

Also, a friend of mine recommended this:

http://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/VG248QE/

Is this a good monitor? I would really rather not take the risk of receiving a defective imported monitor.

[DJR210]

Also, a friend of mine recommended this:

http://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/VG248QE/

Is this a good monitor? I would really rather not take the risk of receiving a defective imported monitor.

Hell yeah, thats a fucking sick monitor. 1ms response perfect for games, 350 brightness for super bright whites, 80mil:1 contrast ratio so should have good black levels. It is 144 hz which takes serious horsepower to push if you want to run on Ultra settings. If you are set on a 120 or 144 hz monitor I recommend a second graphics card for SLI or Crossfire or it isnt worth it IMO.

[Sisk]

Hell yeah, thats a fucking sick monitor. 1ms response perfect for games, 350 brightness for super bright whites, 80mil:1 contrast ratio so should have good black levels. It is 144 hz which takes serious horsepower to push if you want to run on Ultra settings. If you are set on a 120 or 144 hz monitor I recommend a second graphics card for SLI or Crossfire or it isnt worth it IMO.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to spend closer to $1200 when this is said and done tbh. I just realized this monitor is ~$250. At that price, and buying 2 of the video cards you recommended, I'm over $1200. I think I'm going to order all of this stuff in 2-3 weeks so I might run it all by you to make sure it will work well together if you don't mind.

[Cry Havoc]

http://pcpartpicker.com/

Is literally the best website ever for DIY rigs.

I'd highly recommend checking out a 7950 though, they're cheaper and faster than a 670. I'll throw together a quick build tomorrow if you're still looking.

[Sisk]

http://pcpartpicker.com/

Is literally the best website ever for DIY rigs.

I'd highly recommend checking out a 7950 though, they're cheaper and faster than a 670. I'll throw together a quick build tomorrow if you're still looking.

Friend of mine recommended that site the other day. Very useful. Yeah, if you don't mind I would definitely be interested in another build.

[lefty]

I'm not tech savy and have never built a computer, but damn I want to try it :lol

Maybe I'll learn a few things along the way, then I will start developing .... dammit hopefully I will build an Iron Man suit running on Jarvis 2.0

[DJR210]

I'm pretty sure I'm going to spend closer to $1200 when this is said and done tbh. I just realized this monitor is ~$250. At that price, and buying 2 of the video cards you recommended, I'm over $1200. I think I'm going to order all of this stuff in 2-3 weeks so I might run it all by you to make sure it will work well together if you don't mind.

Yeah, you will build the shit, then add a few things like a good mouse and keyboard, a good mic or headset and you're looking closer to 1500.00.

Here's another build for the 12-13 range.. This one will get you a z87 motherboard, a Core i7 4770K which is probably the best non-enthusiast processor available, a new GTX 770 4GB model.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1P1yX

[TDMVPDPOY]

if he isnt overclocking then theres no need for a K-cpu let alone a Z-series motherboard...

[Cry Havoc]

Here's what I've got for you.

This is the robust yeoman's do it all wonder:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1P6wo

And this is the "Gaming vs wife not kill me" build, which is actually going to be really damn close in performance for a lot less:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1P6I6

Pretty happy with the 2nd build, got you amazing performance for just over a grand. The first build's a bit more solid throughout, though. Better case and so forth.

If you REALLY want to save your money, you can wait another 6 weeks. Black Friday = prices bottom the hell out. I got 8 gigs of ram for $25 last year. I got a $120 PSU for $55, and a $265 video card for $150. Really, it's up to you.

If money is an issue, I think that second build will really impress you though. It's got great performance across the board, a solid (if unspectacular) case, and no really "cheap" components. Check to see if you can get windows through your work or university. Could save you $100 on the OS as well. Additionally, if you wanted to pair the 2nd system with another 7950, it would be an absolute badass machine for $1200:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1PbEA

[DJR210]

Here's what I've got for you.

This is the robust yeoman's do it all wonder:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1P6wo

That build looks pretty good but you selected an aftermarket cooler for overclocking, and chose the "non-k" version of that processor. 10 bucks more you get the unlocked multiplier and can have a use for that cooler.


If you REALLY want to save your money, you can wait another 6 weeks. Black Friday = prices bottom the hell out. I got 8 gigs of ram for $25 last year. I got a $120 PSU for $55, and a $265 video card for $150. Really, it's up to you.

Might as well wait until Black Friday, it's right around the corner. You will be able to stretch that budget and end up with a better finished product.


if he isnt overclocking then theres no need for a K-cpu let alone a Z-series motherboard...

You've gotta assume he will be overclocking eventually. The Z-series is a must for easy overclocking the Intel's.

Once the novelty of the new PC wears off and you want to see what your computer is capable of through benchmarking, you don't want to be stuck with no options. I get a considerable boost in benchmark scores with my GPU overclocked with my processor up from 3.8 to 4.5. Thinking of pushing mine up to 4.7 and seeing how the temps treat me while playing Arma 3.

[Cry Havoc]

That build looks pretty good but you selected an aftermarket cooler for overclocking, and chose the "non-k" version of that processor. 10 bucks more you get the unlocked multiplier and can have a use for that cooler.

TBH, I put an aftermarket cooler on ANY processor, because stock coolers suck. They're horrible. But yeah, I'd go with a K here. Actually given that the AMD is so much cheaper I just like the second build a whole lot more.


Might as well wait until Black Friday, it's right around the corner. You will be able to stretch that budget and end up with a better finished product.

Yep.


You've gotta assume he will be overclocking eventually. The Z-series is a must for easy overclocking the Intel's.

Once the novelty of the new PC wears off and you want to see what your computer is capable of through benchmarking, you don't want to be stuck with no options. I get a considerable boost in benchmark scores with my GPU overclocked with my processor up from 3.8 to 4.5. Thinking of pushing mine up to 4.7 and seeing how the temps treat me while playing Arma 3.

Except that overclocking his processor isn't going to wield much in the way of increased framerates in games. He might get 2-5 frames better, but that's about it. Games are still massively GPU reliant. The time and effort to OC a processor for gaming benefits is a serious case of diminishing returns.

[DJR210]

The time and effort to OC a processor for gaming benefits is a serious case of diminishing returns.

Not much effort required. Change the multiplier in the BIOS to whatever overclock you want. Done.

With consoles hitting soon, the standard for gaming is gonna get more resource demanding. Good to have the ability to get more performance when you may need it.

[Cry Havoc]

Not much effort required. Change the multiplier in the BIOS to whatever overclock you want. Done.

With consoles hitting soon, the standard for gaming is gonna get more resource demanding. Good to have the ability to get more performance when you may need it.

Except you need to research how high to clock it, how high to clock the BIOS, and what to do if you start getting errors/artifacts. If you aren't tech savvy, it can be an issue.

[velik_m]

I'm not tech savy and have never built a computer, but damn I want to try it :lol

Maybe I'll learn a few things along the way, then I will start developing .... dammit hopefully I will build an Iron Man suit running on Jarvis 2.0

If you can put together a Lego set, you're tech savy enough to build a computer. Heck, most computer parts are designed to be idiot proof and can only be put together the right way.

[Sisk]

I've never overclocked anything but I might at some point. I am in no real rush, probably will just wait until November. GTA doesn't come out until next year neither does the division. BF4 is the only thing I would miss out on launch but only by a month.

[leemajors]

I've never overclocked anything but I might at some point. I am in no real rush, probably will just wait until November. GTA doesn't come out until next year neither does the division. BF4 is the only thing I would miss out on launch but only by a month.

You may even be able to find a vid card bundled with BF4 on newegg FYI, they do that a lot.

[Sisk]

You may even be able to find a vid card bundled with BF4 on newegg FYI, they do that a lot.

That soon after a release? That would be nice.

[Wild Cobra]

If you can put together a Lego set, you're tech savy enough to build a computer. Heck, most computer parts are designed to be idiot proof and can only be put together the right way.
Except for static zapping them.

[Cry Havoc]

Yes, go with a monitor like this or better. Unless new prices are similar today, I would ask what's wrong with that one... for only $407 US dollars. That probably is a proper price as I haven't shopped for a high end monitor in a couple years.

That is a QHD monotor (2560 x 1440.) HD is your 1280 x 720, this is the same resolution as a HD TV double the pixels horizontal and vertical. This is probably the least expensive format to attach to a good gaming system. I have a 24" WUXGA which is 1920 x 1200. I plan to buy a WQXGA, which is 2560 x 1600, but these traditional 16:10 monitors are generally about twice as expensive as their television counterpart formats that are 16:9. As you see, the WUXGA has the same pixel width as the QHD, and is 160 pixels taller.

Physical size.

If you go with a 27", 16:9 (wide TV format) vs. 19:10 (wide computer format) will have a different screen size. The QHD screen will be 21.6 x 15.9 inches. The WUXGA will be 21.1 x 16.7. Not a bug difference, but keep in mind, not all monitor sizes are equal. it changes with their aspect ratio. Go to the 30", and and of your wide TV formats will be 24" x 17.7" and the wide TV formats 23.5" x 18.6". We lose an inch of width, but gain almost an inch of height at this point.

A gaming system is only as good as it's weakest link. This is usually the human controlling the game. The monitor must be fast and have detailed resolution for advanced game players, else we are operating at a disadvantage. The last time I looked into a WQXGA monitor, they were about $1,400. That was when I paid $380 and $360 for the two WUXGA monitors I have. I need to look again. They are a few years old now. Maybe the prices have come to a point where I will buy one.

If you're looking to be a seriously competitive gamer, 120/144hz is much more important than having an extremely accurate monitor from a color gamut perspective. And if you aren't, neither are necessary.

[Wild Cobra]

If you're looking to be a seriously competitive gamer, 120/144hz is much more important than having an extremely accurate monitor from a color gamut perspective. And if you aren't, neither are necessary.
Yes, but what's the point of a fast system if the monitor gives you twice the lag in milliseconds?

I did notice several errors in my quoted text. The 16:9 is wide TV formato and I incorrectly typed 19:10... should be 16:10 for wide computer format. Then I said wide TV twice on the 30" size comparisons when the second should have read "wide computer."

Wow...

Just how tired was I when I typed that? More errors yet, as I look at it.

Yikes...

I'm not looking any more...

[Cry Havoc]

Yes, but what's the point of a fast system if the monitor gives you twice the lag in milliseconds?

120/144hz monitors are probably going to be for gaming and thus will have no more than 2-3ms. I think mine is 2, the one I linked is 1ms, I think.

[ElNono]

Don't confuse pixel response time with input lag. Also refresh rate is not an indicator of either. The right thing to do is simply do your homework and see what you're getting.

Input lag is probably the most real-life important factor for gaming, and anything around or under 1 frame (16ms) is pretty much excellent.

Here's a online list of different display input lag:
http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

[DJR210]

I've never overclocked anything but I might at some point. I am in no real rush, probably will just wait until November. GTA doesn't come out until next year neither does the division. BF4 is the only thing I would miss out on launch but only by a month. It's easy and as long as you monitor your temps there is really no reason not to test the performance of your PC. Also, if you like BF you need to try Arma 3. I built my PC for that game.


That soon after a release? That would be nice.

The GPU brands always give out awesome games with cards, AMD more so than Nvidia IMO. I expect BF4 to be packaged in w/ AMD cards as EA and DICE are using that new Mantle technology from AMD.



Except for static zapping them.

:lol Considering discharging static is as easy as touching the case, you'd have to be a stupid motherfucker to fry your PC like that.


anything around or under 1 frame (16ms) is pretty much excellent.

I was hesitant about getting a 7ms IPS but I can't notice any ghosting tbh. Nice color w/ the IPS as well.

[Wild Cobra]

Don't confuse pixel response time with input lag. Also refresh rate is not an indicator of either. The right thing to do is simply do your homework and see what you're getting.

Input lag is probably the most real-life important factor for gaming, and anything around or under 1 frame (16ms) is pretty much excellent.

Here's a online list of different display input lag:
http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

Agree, but such systems generally are faster all the way thru.

[ElNono]

Without going into too much detail, this is basically what each amounts to:

- Refresh rate: frequency at which all pixels of a display are told to display a specific color. In other words, how long it takes for a full frame to draw. Usual rates include 60Hz, 120Hz, 240Hz, etc.

- Pixel response time: How long it takes a single pixel to change from the current color to another color then back to the original color. Poor response times produce a visible smearing. Response times over 5ms are noticeable by the human eye. Usual values range from 8ms to 2ms.

- Input/Display lag: How long it takes from a signal (or frame data in digital) that just arrived to the device to appear on the screen. This varies greatly depending on the kind of post-processing a monitor/set does to a signal (hdcp, scaling, up-framerate conversion, ghosting reduction). Some sets include a 'game mode' setting that disables most post-processing to reduce lag for gaming. Usual values range from 5ms to 80ms (yeah, that's a full 5 frames delay).

[Cry Havoc]

That soon after a release? That would be nice.

So what's the verdict? Waiting until BF?

[Sisk]

So what's the verdict? Waiting until BF?

I will wait until the end of November (cyber Monday?). I have no real reason to be in a rush. The games I want to play aren't out yet and I will only be late to the BF4 party by a month. If I get better prices from waiting that would be nice, but I wouldn't have missed out from anything if I spend the same as ordering now.

[Cry Havoc]

I will wait until the end of November (cyber Monday?). I have no real reason to be in a rush. The games I want to play aren't out yet and I will only be late to the BF4 party by a month. If I get better prices from waiting that would be nice, but I wouldn't have missed out from anything if I spend the same as ordering now.

Just anecdotally, last year I found much better sales on Black Friday than on Cyber Monday. I'd jump on the best deals on BF and then pick up anything else that didn't go on a crazy discount on CM.

[Sisk]

Best deals on video cards with BF?

I might end up posting here to confirm before I buy everything if you don't mind. Last thing I want to do is buy something that isn't compatible and have to return something.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150665

7970 for $250 AR

[DJR210]

Best deals on video cards with BF?

I might end up posting here to confirm before I buy everything if you don't mind. Last thing I want to do is buy something that isn't compatible and have to return something.

You can create the build at pcpartpicker.com and it will tell you if there are any parts that are not compatible. It also tells you where to find the particular item at the cheapest price.

As for your question about the best card to include BF4, I don't think you are gonna get one. The current promotion for AMD cards is the "Never Settle" promotion that allows you to select 3 games from the list they have pre-selected. The Never Settle deal runs from 8/15/13-12/31/13, and depending on the cost of the GPU you pick will determine which tier you qualify for. A 7970 for example would allow you to select 3 games from the following: Tomb Raider, Hitman Absolution, DMC, Sleeping Dogs, Far Cry 3, Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon, Deus Ex, Dirt 3, Saints Row IV, Dirt: Showdown or Sniper Elite. I would assume a BF4 promotion for AMD wouldn't be available until this one is finished.

For Nvidia on the other hand (which is the better GPU brand IMO) they are offering the Batman Arkham Origins promotion currently. This promotion started August 30th, but they have not determined the cutoff date according to their site.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150665

7970 for $250 AR

XFX and other brands like HIS, PowerColor, etc have more negative feedback than a brand like MSI, or EVGA, or even ASUS. Yes, the cost today is less, but what about potential issues down the road? Stick to a more reputable GPU brand IMO. This card is part of the Never Settle promotion and does not include BF4 which was his request.

[Cry Havoc]

XFX gave me a double lifetime warranty on my card and it's been going for 3 years strong now. I think they're pretty solid.

Black Friday should see prices bottom out. I bet you'll see 7970s for ~$200.

[DJR210]

XFX gave me a double lifetime warranty on my card and it's been going for 3 years strong now. I think they're pretty solid.

Black Friday should see prices bottom out. I bet you'll see 7970s for ~$200.

7990 and 8 games for 499.00. Ugh @ PowerColor though..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131483

[baseline bum]

Here's another build, this is more of a budget one and includes the OS, monitor, and even an SSD for your OS and a couple games/apps. I went AMD with this one.

Total cost = 945.39 - http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1OOvh

Motherboard - AMD 970 Pro3 - 72.55

Processor - AMD 8150 8-Core Processor - 139.00

Graphics Card - MSI 7870 GHz Edition - 169.00

Memory - G. Skill Ripjaws X 8 GB - 65.94

SSD - Samsung 840 EVO - 99.99

HDD - WD Caviar Black 1TB - 79.99

Case - Basic Thermaltake Case - 21.99

PSU - Corsair CX 430 Bronze - 24.99

Optical Drive - Basic Samsung Drive - 14.99

OS - Windows 8 64-Bit OEM - 94.98

Monitor - Dell S2340M - 159.99

You could always get rid of the SSD, and pirate the OS (easy) to get another 200.00 towards the processor and GPU. By doing so you can upgrade the GPU to a 7970, the processor to an 8350, and increase the PSU to a 600W model for 969.00. Here's the link for that one:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1OP47

Good luck with your build!

Damn son, recommending Faildozer?

[Cry Havoc]

Damn son, recommending Faildozer?

You gotta admit AMD came correct with Ryzen after this board tried to crucify them for it, then we found out that they were kicking Intel's ass up and down the street, especially with Threadripper. :lol

Loving my 1080 though. Wish I could have waited for Vega, but nope.

[baseline bum]

You gotta admit AMD came correct with Ryzen after this board tried to crucify them for it, then we found out that they were kicking Intel's ass up and down the street, especially with Threadripper. :lol

Loving my 1080 though. Wish I could have waited for Vega, but nope.

Yeah man Ryzen is badass, especially the R5 1600. Vega was massively disappointing though. When Polaris came out and was barely matching the 28 nm GTX 970 at the same power consumption while at 14 nm I figured Vega would be shit, and it was. No surprise AMD let Raja Kaduri walk to Intel after that fucking disaster.

[DJR210]

Damn son, recommending Faildozer?

It's a peasant build, I don't see the issue..

[Cry Havoc]

Yeah man Ryzen is badass, especially the R5 1600. Vega was massively disappointing though. When Polaris came out and was barely matching the 28 nm GTX 970 at the same power consumption while at 14 nm I figured Vega would be shit, and it was. No surprise AMD let Raja Kaduri walk to Intel after that fucking disaster.

That's what's in my new rig. Monster CPU. That alone gave me a 30fps boost over my old i5 2500k.

[TDMVPDPOY]

fkn crypto clowns...

pushing high end video cards prices up...

whats the point of high end monitors when u cant even get ur hands on a high end video card to build ur gaming rig, hence even stupid ram prices

[DJR210]

fkn crypto clowns...

pushing high end video cards prices up...

whats the point of high end monitors when u cant even get ur hands on a high end video card to build ur gaming rig, hence even stupid ram prices

Not like you're gonna get either anyway clown.. You've been talking about the prospect of buying a new monitor and GPU for no less than 6 years :lol

[ElNono]

For the money, the GTX 1070 Ti is probably the best bang for the buck right now

[baseline bum]

For the money, the GTX 1070 Ti is probably the best bang for the buck right now

At $900 I'm not seeing it when you can get a Titan Xp Star Wars card for $1138. Ugh recommending a Titan for price to performance.

[ElNono]

At $900 I'm not seeing it when you can get a Titan Xp Star Wars card for $1138. Ugh recommending a Titan for price to performance.

The Zotac Mini dual fan is $750 on Amazon

[ElNono]

But yeah, I thought I saw $450, not $750... probably was looking at the 1060

[baseline bum]

The Zotac Mini dual fan is $750 on Amazon

Sad that's a good price now. Newegg has one $900 card and the rest of the 1070 Ti are $1000+.


But yeah, I thought I saw $450, not $750... probably was looking at the 1060

$450 is the MSRP, which already is pretty shitty IMO since we'll have Volta cards in May or June. Between the outrageous increases in RAM prices, GPU prices (even before the current run up this month), and SSD prices it has been impossible to recommend PC gaming to anyone who doesn't already have their system.

[leemajors]

Sad that's a good price now. Newegg has one $900 card and the rest of the 1070 Ti are $1000+.



$450 is the MSRP, which already is pretty shitty IMO since we'll have Volta cards in May or June. Between the outrageous increases in RAM prices, GPU prices (even before the current run up this month), and SSD prices it has been impossible to recommend PC gaming to anyone who doesn't already have their system.

I got a 1080 for $550 last week at Frys.

[TDMVPDPOY]

u know the new amd ryzen2 cpus coming out next month, which has APU vega..... does the apu vega chip have freesync2?

[DJR210]

For the money, the GTX 1070 Ti is probably the best bang for the buck right now

What is at right now? 1200.00?

[DJR210]

Nvidia had the reference 1070Ti on their site for 450.00.. But of course it's an immediate sellout

[lefty20]

Tempted to pull the trigger on a pre-made rig on Amazon for 1.9k.

https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-Xtreme-GXiVR8080A2-Overclockable-i7-8700K/dp/B075VSBNQZ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Am I crazy? Should I wait? Buddy says he can build me a cheaper & better one(same GPU but better/higher brand side components) if I were willing to wait until March/April. Assuming the GPU prices drop as expected.

[ElNono]

What is at right now? 1200.00?

Yeah, I was looking at SuperBiiz earlier, they're sold out of everything but the GTX 1050 (lol)

[baseline bum]

Tempted to pull the trigger on a pre-made rig on Amazon for 1.9k.

https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-Xtreme-GXiVR8080A2-Overclockable-i7-8700K/dp/B075VSBNQZ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Am I crazy? Should I wait? Buddy says he can build me a cheaper & better one(same GPU but better/higher brand side components) if I were willing to wait until March/April. Assuming the GPU prices drop as expected.

In the pre-January market those parts would run somewhere around:

CPU: $380
CPU COOLER: $40
GPU: $800
BOARD: $120
RAM: $140
SSD: $80
HDD: $60
CASE: $70
PSU: $40
MOUSE & KEYBOARD: $20
WINDOWS: $90

So a roughly $60 markup isn't bad, especially now when that gpu regularly goes around $1300. If you do want to wait, wait until June though. Computex is in June and that's when Nvidia typically announces their new gpus.

I do hate that case though. The airflow looks horrible.

[baseline bum]

lefty20, what monitor are you looking to hook up to that system? With that level gpu you should be looking no lower than a 3440x1440 panel if you want to target 60 fps, where you should be able to play most games at ultra and still get 60 fps. If you want to go full 4k that gpu should handle most games at high at 60 fps, as the 1080 Ti at 3840x2160 is usually on par with the 1080p performance of the GTX 970. But at 4k you'd probably want to replace that gpu in a couple of years. I guess another reasonable option would be a 2560x1440 panel that runs at 144 Hz, as a 1080 Ti will absolutely rip though games at 1440p.

[lefty20]

lefty20 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22923), what monitor are you looking to hook up to that system? With that level gpu you should be looking no lower than a 3440x1440 panel if you want to target 60 fps, where you should be able to play most games at ultra and still get 60 fps. If you want to go full 4k that gpu should handle most games at high at 60 fps, as the 1080 Ti at 3840x2160 is usually on par with the 1080p performance of the GTX 970. But at 4k you'd probably want to replace that gpu in a couple of years. I guess another reasonable option would be a 2560x1440 panel that runs at 144 Hz, as a 1080 Ti will absolutely rip though games at 1440p.

I've got a 4k monitor for my main screen.

Edit : I did it, pulled the trigger. Should receive it on Tuesday. Thnx 4 the info man, much appreciated.

[baseline bum]

I've got a 4k monitor for my main screen.

Edit : I did it, pulled the trigger. Should receive it on Tuesday. Thnx 4 the info man, much appreciated.

Should be a killer system. Make sure to get The Witcher 3 and GTA V at the very least. Considering how amazing these games look at 1080p on my GTX 970, they must really be something at 4k on a GTX 1080 Ti. Arma III is another game that just looks unbelievable, though it's massively cpu bound. The two Metro Redux games will probably look ridiculous on that system too. They're a few years old but the graphics still really hold up. When Final Fantasy XV launches on PC that should be another must play just for the graphics. Crysis 3 isn't a very good game IMO, but it's another visual stunner.

[lefty20]

Should be a killer system. Make sure to get The Witcher 3 and GTA V at the very least. Considering how amazing these games look at 1080p on my GTX 970, they must really be something at 4k on a GTX 1080 Ti. Arma III is another game that just looks unbelievable, though it's massively cpu bound. The two Metro Redux games will probably look ridiculous on that system too. They're a few years old but the graphics still really hold up. When Final Fantasy XV launches on PC that should be another must play just for the graphics. Crysis 3 isn't a very good game IMO, but it's another visual stunner.

I've already got Witcher 3. Haven't finished the campaign yet, but will change soon enough. Only other games I'm playing atm are Rocket League and PUBG, but I'm sure I'll be adding more names on that list now.

[spurraider21]

scrubs actually paying money for ram :lol

https://downloadmoreram.com/

[Chris]

Looking for a cheap psu...computer just turns off when playing bf4 and now CS:source. Link would be appreciated :tu

[TDMVPDPOY]

Looking for a cheap psu...computer just turns off when playing bf4 and now CS:source. Link would be appreciated :tu

whats ur system and video card? don't go get a cheapo psu man...


hows the used parts in American market? u guys flip parts to make a profit, with the way prices are for new parts and shit...

[leemajors]

Looking for a cheap psu...computer just turns off when playing bf4 and now CS:source. Link would be appreciated :tu

Spend $100 it will last a long time.

[baseline bum]

Looking for a cheap psu...computer just turns off when playing bf4 and now CS:source. Link would be appreciated :tu

Wow all power supplies are expensive too now. :depressed

You used to be able to get EVGA G2 750W for $80 or so. Now the EVGA G2 550W is $100.

What cpu and gpu do you run and do you overclock anything? Brand name doesn't mean shit for power supplies except Seasonic, which are great. What matters is the OEM who makes the power supply. For instance, EVGA G2 psus are made by a company called Super Flower that makes top notch psus. Anything whose OEM is Seasonic or Super Flower should be pretty good quality, but you'll only know the OEM by checking reviews at sites like jonnyguru.com.

[Chris]

whats ur system and video card? don't go get a cheapo psu man...


hows the used parts in American market? u guys flip parts to make a profit, with the way prices are for new parts and shit...

Radeon Software Version - 17.12.2
Radeon Software Edition - Adrenalin
Graphics Chipset - AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series
Memory Size - 1024 MB
Memory Type - GDDR5
Core Clock - 860 MHz
Windows Version - Windows 10 (64 bit)
System Memory - 8 GB
CPU Type - AMD FX(tm)-4170 Quad-Core Processor

My old PSU: I got top of the line EVGA Supernova 850 watt bronze


Spend $100 it will last a long time.

That's what I did last time. Is 4-5 years a reasonable shelf life?


Wow all power supplies are expensive too now. :depressed

You used to be able to get EVGA G2 750W for $80 or so. Now the EVGA G2 550W is $100.

What cpu and gpu do you run and do you overclock anything? Brand name doesn't mean shit for power supplies except Seasonic, which are great. What matters is the OEM who makes the power supply. For instance, EVGA G2 psus are made by a company called Super Flower that makes top notch psus. Anything whose OEM is Seasonic or Super Flower should be pretty good quality, but you'll only know the OEM by checking reviews at sites like jonnyguru.com.

I don't overclock, and rarely play any new games. I've got the PS4 for that. I was looking for something in the 750-850 watt range. At this point I'm so frustrated with buying new parts, that I'm willing to buy any brand PSU if it's cheap.

[baseline bum]

Radeon Software Version - 17.12.2
Radeon Software Edition - Adrenalin
Graphics Chipset - AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series
Memory Size - 1024 MB
Memory Type - GDDR5
Core Clock - 860 MHz
Windows Version - Windows 10 (64 bit)
System Memory - 8 GB
CPU Type - AMD FX(tm)-4170 Quad-Core Processor


Sounds like an HD 7850 gpu? It's pretty similar to what's in the XBox One and a little weaker than what's in the OG PS4 then.




My old PSU: I got top of the line EVGA Supernova 850 watt bronze



That's what I did last time. Is 4-5 years a reasonable shelf life?


If it's a B2 it should have been a pretty good PSU. If it's a B1 or a Supernova NEX it's not, which is why those usually have 3 year warranties if I remember right.




I don't overclock, and rarely play any new games. I've got the PS4 for that. I was looking for something in the 750-850 watt range. At this point I'm so frustrated with buying new parts, that I'm willing to buy any brand PSU if it's cheap.

750 watts is unbelievable overkill for that system. The FX-4170 is a pretty power hungry cpu at 125 watt but an HD 7850 is only about a 130 watt card. I know it's not a 7870 since those only came in 2GB and 4GB models. Honestly, any good 400 watt power supply is more than enough for a non-overclocked system like that. You only need 750W power supplies if you're running say two GTX 1080 in SLI and a heavily overclocked i5/i7. Here is a nice 550W gold unit by Seasonic with a seven year warranty if you're willing to do mail in rebates:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151203

It's pretty new though so I haven't seen any reviews. If you want one with rock solid reviews and a 10 year warranty this model got a glowing review from jonnyguru:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151189

[baseline bum]

this board is all fucked up when you try to edit posts

[Chris]

Sounds like an HD 7850 gpu? It's pretty similar to what's in the XBox One and a little weaker than what's in the OG PS4 then.




If it's a B2 it should have been a pretty good PSU. If it's a B1 or a Supernova NEX it's not, which is why those usually have 3 year warranties if I remember right.




750 watts is unbelievable overkill for that system. The FX-4170 is a pretty power hungry cpu at 125 watt but an HD 7850 is only about a 130 watt card. I know it's not a 7870 since those only came in 2GB and 4GB models. Honestly, any good 400 watt power supply is more than enough for a non-overclocked system like that. You only need 750W power supplies if you're running say two GTX 1080 in SLI and a heavily overclocked i5/i7. Here is a nice 550W gold unit by Seasonic with a seven year warranty if you're willing to do mail in rebates:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151203

It's pretty new though so I haven't seen any reviews. If you want one with rock solid reviews and a 10 year warranty this model got a glowing review from jonnyguru:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151189

Wow thanks man, I really appreciate it :tu the PSU was a B2 fwiw

[TDMVPDPOY]

My old PSU: I got top of the line EVGA Supernova 850 watt bronze


check evga website, don't they give out life time or 10yr warranties?....maybe u can claim it...if u still have receipt...

[Chris]

check evga website, don't they give out life time or 10yr warranties?....maybe u can claim it...if u still have receipt...

damn good idea! I registered at the website and sent in the email for the warranty after I bought it.

[DJR210]

damn good idea! I registered at the website and sent in the email for the warranty after I bought it.

I believe it's a 5 year warranty. EVGA has excellent CS so who knows they may help either way.

[DJR210]

:lol My current PSU of going on 6 years was manufactured by a company called Xeon.. I ordered it before I knew half a shit about PC components.. Still waiting for it to burn my house down tbh

[baseline bum]

:lol My current PSU of going on 6 years was manufactured by a company called Xeon.. I ordered it before I knew half a shit about PC components.. Still waiting for it to burn my house down tbh

Shit man, you should buy one of those Seasonics I posted above. No way you want to fry your gpu in today's market.

[DJR210]

Shit man, you should buy one of those Seasonics I posted above. No way you want to fry your gpu in today's market.

Do you know how many IPA's I can buy with 100 bucks?? How many grams of San Antonio's finest herbs? I'll take my chances

[baseline bum]

Do you know how many IPA's I can buy with 100 bucks?? How many grams of San Antonio's finest herbs? I'll take my chances

OK, but don't come crying when you're forced to go back to your 360 tbh

[koriwhat]

Do you know how many IPA's I can buy with 100 bucks?? How many grams of San Antonio's finest herbs? I'll take my chances

IPA's $6-12+ = low end roughly 16 bottles/pints.

Bud $10 a gram = 10 grams or a half+ if your plug is nice to you.

[DJR210]

OK, but don't come crying when you're forced to go back to your 360 tbh

Got a 680 on deck broski.. Plus a few stacks to spend on a 1070Ti in an emergency

[DJR210]

IPA's $6-12+ = low end roughly 16 bottles/pints.

Bud $10 a gram = 10 grams or a half+ if your plug is nice to you.

Do people even charge more than 10 a G these days? It better be dispensary quality for me to even consider a shit deal like that

[koriwhat]

Do people even charge more than 10 a G these days? It better be dispensary quality for me to even consider a shit deal like that

I know 1 shithead that charges $20/g still. He banks on the fact that those who buy from him are older, his and my age, and have no other plugs. Fuck that puto!

[DJR210]

I know 1 shithead that charges $20/g still. He banks on the fact that those who buy from him are older, his and my age, and have no other plugs. Fuck that puto!

Yeah that's insane. I haven't paid that since like 05'. An eighth of exotic should be 45 tops this god damn close to the border

[koriwhat]

Yeah that's insane. I haven't paid that since like 05'. An eighth of exotic should be 45 tops this god damn close to the border

:tu

[Chris]

check evga website, don't they give out life time or 10yr warranties?....maybe u can claim it...if u still have receipt...


I believe it's a 5 year warranty. EVGA has excellent CS so who knows they may help either way.

I bought it in 2010 so the warranty expired in 2015 unfortunately. The customer service was excellent like you said.

[Chris]

Sounds like an HD 7850 gpu? It's pretty similar to what's in the XBox One and a little weaker than what's in the OG PS4 then.




If it's a B2 it should have been a pretty good PSU. If it's a B1 or a Supernova NEX it's not, which is why those usually have 3 year warranties if I remember right.




750 watts is unbelievable overkill for that system. The FX-4170 is a pretty power hungry cpu at 125 watt but an HD 7850 is only about a 130 watt card. I know it's not a 7870 since those only came in 2GB and 4GB models. Honestly, any good 400 watt power supply is more than enough for a non-overclocked system like that. You only need 750W power supplies if you're running say two GTX 1080 in SLI and a heavily overclocked i5/i7. Here is a nice 550W gold unit by Seasonic with a seven year warranty if you're willing to do mail in rebates:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151203

It's pretty new though so I haven't seen any reviews. If you want one with rock solid reviews and a 10 year warranty this model got a glowing review from jonnyguru:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151189

Looking at this

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-BRONZE-Warranty-Tester-100-B1-0600-KR/dp/B00EON40CS?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00EON40CS

600 watt should be more than adequate right?

[DJR210]

Looking at this

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-BRONZE-Warranty-Tester-100-B1-0600-KR/dp/B00EON40CS?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00EON40CS

600 watt should be more than adequate right?

Yup

[baseline bum]

Looking at this

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-BRONZE-Warranty-Tester-100-B1-0600-KR/dp/B00EON40CS?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00EON40CS

600 watt should be more than adequate right?

EVGA B1's are kind of crappy. They're made by a company called HEC that isn't very good. I'd personally pay the $20 extra up front for that first Seasonic 550W model I suggested, especially since you won't pay sales tax on it in Texas and have a $15 mail in rebate with it so you'd be paying pretty much the same price for a much better PSU.

[Chris]

EVGA B1's are kind of crappy. They're made by a company called HEC that isn't very good. I'd personally pay the $20 extra up front for that first Seasonic 550W model I suggested, especially since you won't pay sales tax on it in Texas and have a $15 mail in rebate with it so you'd be paying pretty much the same price for a much better PSU.

Roger that :tu

[TDMVPDPOY]

get a quality psu branded man like corsair...whats important is the amps that feeds ur mobo and gpu...

[NASpurs]

GPU prices are still insane right? That's all I've heard the past months because of bitcoin and all that shit. I've been out of the loop for a while but my Steam library is already at 60 games and Amazon/Twitch Prime are giving out PC games monthly, I thought why not start building a PC. I also need it for programming since programming on a laptop fucking sucks with long ass coding and having multiple panes opened to compare different versions of my code.

All I seriously want to do is 1080P gaming and keep my shit under $800-$1k (including a monitor). I don't get 4k boners so all of that doesn't apply to me.

Questions:

1) AMD is still shit right? I'm willing to wait until GPU prices come down and game with a fucking onboard GPU at medium settings for a while if I have to. I'm in no hurry seriously. So are Ryzens good?
2) Or is Intel still king? Should I go this route instead?

I just want info in the meantime because I'm going to buy my parts slowly, part by part, in no hurry waiting for GPU prices to come down in price. Like I said earlier, I've just been out of the loop for about a decade and want to wrap my head around this and what's changed.

I already bought my case (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352055) because I saw it on Slickdeals and people were orgasming over it from the comments and the ratings, plus it was almost 50% off. Why not :lol

[baseline bum]

GPU prices are still insane right? That's all I've heard the past months because of bitcoin and all that shit. I've been out of the loop for a while but my Steam library is already at 60 games and Amazon/Twitch Prime are giving out PC games monthly, I thought why not start building a PC. I also need it for programming since programming on a laptop fucking sucks with long ass coding and having multiple panes opened to compare different versions of my code.

All I seriously want to do is 1080P gaming and keep my shit under $800-$1k (including a monitor). I don't get 4k boners so all of that doesn't apply to me.

Questions:

1) AMD is still shit right? I'm willing to wait until GPU prices come down and game with a fucking onboard GPU at medium settings for a while if I have to. I'm in no hurry seriously. So are Ryzens good?
2) Or is Intel still king? Should I go this route instead?

I just want info in the meantime because I'm going to buy my parts slowly, part by part, in no hurry waiting for GPU prices to come down in price. Like I said earlier, I've just been out of the loop for about a decade and want to wrap my head around this and what's changed.

I already bought my case (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352055) because I saw it on Slickdeals and people were orgasming over it from the comments and the ratings, plus it was almost 50% off. Why not :lol

AMD's latest round of cpus (eg Ryzen) are actually pretty good now. Not as good as Intel, but still really solid. Not the crap FX line of cpus they were selling from 2011-2016. Their gpus are dogshit right now. Even worse than gpu pricing is RAM prices. You're looking at around $160 for a 16GB DDR4 kit now.

What case did you order and what will you be able to keep from your old system? Hard drive(s)? SSD?

[NASpurs]

AMD's latest round of cpus (eg Ryzen) are actually pretty good now. Not as good as Intel, but still really solid. Not the crap FX line of cpus they were selling from 2011-2016. Their gpus are dogshit right now. Even worse than gpu pricing is RAM prices. You're looking at around $160 for a 16GB DDR4 kit now.

So what you're telling me, right now is a bad time to get into building PCs? It's fine though, I'll play the waiting game then. I'll be the guy with the chassis of his car in his garage who builds it part by part. :lol It's cool , I'll do some waiting and look out for deals.

[NASpurs]

What case did you order and what will you be able to keep from your old system? Hard drive(s)? SSD?

I ordered this one bb:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352055

I don't have an old system. Just laptops. I need to buy everything unfortunately. Last time I had a PC was a AMD XP 2600 I built like 15 years ago now.

[baseline bum]

I ordered this one bb:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352055

I don't have an old system. Just laptops. I need to buy everything unfortunately. Last time I had a PC was a AMD XP 2600 I built like 15 years ago now.

Holy fuck, the Define S for $50 is a steal. Yeah, that's hands down the best designed midtower case I have ever seen.

[baseline bum]

I ordered this one bb:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352055

I don't have an old system. Just laptops. I need to buy everything unfortunately. Last time I had a PC was a AMD XP 2600 I built like 15 years ago now.

Also, I'd be weary of buying off newegg. They just sold out all their CT customers by sending the state the total dollar amount of individual citizens' purchases from 2014-2016 so that CT could collect back taxes with interest. No reason other states won't follow suit now seeing how quickly newegg crumbled to Connecticut. Newegg has gone to shit ever since they got bought out by some chink company. Their shipping sucks now and their packing is terrible.

[NASpurs]

Also, I'd be weary of buying off newegg. They just sold out all their CT customers by sending the state the total dollar amount of individual citizens' purchases from 2014-2016 so that CT could collect back taxes with interest. No reason other states won't follow suit now seeing how quickly newegg crumbled to Connecticut. Newegg has gone to shit ever since they got bought out by some chink company. Their shipping sucks now and their packing is terrible.

Damn that sucks. All I remember back in the day that newegg was the best when it came to pc building and all that. Some third-party were also selling that case on Amazon but they sold out quickly so I went to newegg thinking they were still good. Sucks to hear about them and all that.

[baseline bum]

So what you're telling me, right now is a bad time to get into building PCs? It's fine though, I'll play the waiting game then. I'll be the guy with the chassis of his car in his garage who builds it part by part. :lol It's cool , I'll do some waiting and look out for deals.

Buying piece by piece is a pretty bad strategy IMO since you can't test your shit out. A lot of these companies are really bad when it comes to RMAs so it's good to know whether your shit is working or not while you're in the return window from your retailer so you can get quick return or replacement.

[baseline bum]

Damn that sucks. All I remember back in the day that newegg was the best when it came to pc building and all that. Some third-party were also selling that case on Amazon but they sold out quickly so I went to newegg thinking they were still good. Sucks to hear about them and all that.

Yeah I bought two OEM Western Digital Black drives, I mean these are high end hard drives for high end prices, and they both came packed like crap and died within a year and a half. Meanwhile my crap Seagate drives I bought in retail packaging from Best Buy are still kicking years later. Last time I bought a cpu from them I paid for two day shipping and then ordered a stick of RAM for my HTPC in a separate order later in the day and chose free shipping since I didn't need it ASAP, and the fuckers put both of them together in a FedEx Smartpost package that took two weeks to get to me. I was mad as fuck getting my cpu in two weeks when I paid for two days.

[NASpurs]

Buying piece by piece is a pretty bad strategy IMO since you can't test your shit out. A lot of these companies are really bad when it comes to RMAs so it's good to know whether your shit is working or not while you're in the return window from your retailer so you can get quick return or replacement.

Fuck I hadn't thought about that. I never really had problems with components back in the day but yeah you're right, it's a bit of gamble to do it that way. Guess I'll keep my eyes on prices and then just buy all the parts when the time seems right. I guess I could buy the monitor, test it out by connecting my PS4 to it (they have HDMI inputs nowadays right?) and keep it and my case in the closet in the meantime until I buy the other parts.

[NASpurs]

Yeah I bought two OEM Western Digital Black drives, I mean these are high end hard drives for high end prices, and they both came packed like crap and died within a year and a half. Meanwhile my crap Seagate drives I bought in retail packaging from Best Buy are still kicking years later. Last time I bought a cpu from them I paid for two day shipping and then ordered a stick of RAM for my HTPC in a separate order later in the day and chose free shipping since I didn't need it ASAP, and the fuckers put both of them together in a FedEx Smartpost package that took two weeks to get to me. I was mad as fuck getting my cpu in two weeks when I paid for two days.

Holy crap, I remember how much people used to love newegg and their customer service and just how good it was back in the then. Shit that was my go-to place and I loved buying stuff from them, never really had any problems. Sucks to hear it's gone to shit from reading your personal experience.

Is there a go-to place for computer parts nowadays (let me guess, Amazon?).

[baseline bum]

Fuck I hadn't thought about that. I never really had problems with components back in the day but yeah you're right, it's a bit of gamble to do it that way. Guess I'll keep my eyes on prices and then just buy all the parts when the time seems right. I guess I could buy the monitor, test it out by connecting my PS4 to it (they have HDMI inputs nowadays right?) and keep it and my case in the closet in the meantime until I buy the other parts.

Monitor is also something I wouldn't buy right away since they're advancing quickly with technologies like GSync/FreeSync and HDR.

[baseline bum]

Is there a go-to place for computer parts nowadays (let me guess, Amazon?).

Amazon is where I go now since the no tax was literally the only advantage newegg offered.

[NASpurs]

Monitor is also something I wouldn't buy right away since they're advancing quickly with technologies like GSync/FreeSync and HDR.

Fucking shit man, this seems like the worst time for budget/money-conscious PC building.

I'm doing some research on Amazon and concluded that:

I want a NVidia GPU with a GSync monitor or an AMD GPU with a Freesync monitor? That's how it works right? Since AMD GPUs are shit then I should get a NVidia graphics card but holy shit at those monitor prices. :lol

Too bad though, $150 for a Freesync monitor seems pretty cool. Is this one of those "you should wait for Black Friday to get a $200-250 GSync monitor?"

[ElNono]

Holy crap, I remember how much people used to love newegg and their customer service and just how good it was back in the then. Shit that was my go-to place and I loved buying stuff from them, never really had any problems. Sucks to hear it's gone to shit from reading your personal experience.

Is there a go-to place for computer parts nowadays (let me guess, Amazon?).

SuperBiiz has been pretty good in the past, haven't ordered from them in a while though.

[baseline bum]

Fucking shit man, this seems like the worst time for budget/money-conscious PC building.

I'm doing some research on Amazon and concluded that:

I want a NVidia GPU with a GSync monitor or an AMD GPU with a Freesync monitor? That's how it works right? Since AMD GPUs are shit then I should get a NVidia graphics card but holy shit at those monitor prices. :lol

Too bad though, $150 for a Freesync monitor seems pretty cool. Is this one of those "you should wait for Black Friday to get a $200-250 GSync monitor?"

I don't mean it's a bad time to buy a monitor. More like it's a bad idea to buy a monitor and not use it for months because they're improving enough that you might get something better in 5 months for the same price. It's one thing if you could put that monitor to use right now but if you're not going to then what's the point of getting it now? Unless you just find some absolute killer deal right now.

[baseline bum]

Fucking shit man, this seems like the worst time for budget/money-conscious PC building.

I'm doing some research on Amazon and concluded that:

I want a NVidia GPU with a GSync monitor or an AMD GPU with a Freesync monitor? That's how it works right? Since AMD GPUs are shit then I should get a NVidia graphics card but holy shit at those monitor prices. :lol

Too bad though, $150 for a Freesync monitor seems pretty cool. Is this one of those "you should wait for Black Friday to get a $200-250 GSync monitor?"

I tried to put together a good 1080p gaming system minus monitor on pcpartpicker.com, and it came out to just under $1000 if you don't pay use tax and do mail in rebates.


CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($179.00 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370P D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($95.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($166.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB OCV1 Video Card ($364.98 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.90 @ Newegg)
Total: $971.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-03-14 08:24 EDT-0400

I figured a 500GB SSD makes sense in the days of 100GB games. We're probably past the point where you'd be fine with only 250GB in a gaming system if you want the benefits of the SSD. Thing is, $1000 for a system with a 60 series card in it is nuts. I spent about $750 for my cpu + board + 16GB ram + gpu + power supply when I built my gaming system in 2014, and that was with a 70 series card (GTX 970) that's about 10% weaker than the GTX 1060 today and an i7 class processor (Xeon E3-1231v3). I didn't buy an SSD until 2015 though, once you could get a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO for $150, which brings that total to roughly $900. But who knows how long the GTX 1060 will still be a strong 1080p gaming card. It's probably the best 60-series card Nvidia has put out since at least the GTX 660 back in 2012, but its generation (Pascal, eg the 1000 series) is creeping up on being two years old now.

One way to cut cost would be to get a cheaper motherboard. With a locked cpu you're probably fine with a $50 H310 board instead of a $100 Z370 one, though it might be a couple of months before we see the cheaper boards released. Right now you're stuck with $100+ Z370 boards if you want the newest gen of Intel processors (and you do want this newest gen, it's an enormous upgrade over the previous gen).

One plus now though is the current gen of i5 absolutely mop the floor with every previous gen of i5. AMD's Ryzen 5 1600 was such a huge threat to Intel's dominance in the desktop market that they had to immediately respond by slapping on two extra cores to all i5 and non-enthusiast i7 with their current gen of cpus (eg Coffee Lake). Don't sweat that 2.8 GHz base clock in the i5-8400. From reviews I have seen that thing runs at 3.6 GHz to 3.8 GHz on all cores in actual gaming loads if I remember right.

[baseline bum]

nm

[leemajors]

A system bundle would be way cheaper ATM since they bought their RAM and GFX cards in bulk.

[baseline bum]

NASpurs, I should clarify a bit on AMD gpus. The RX 480 and RX 580 are awesome 1080p gpus. But they're very poor engineering in relation to what Nvidia is doing, since they're on par with Nvidia's GTX 970 both in performance and in power consumption, which is awful since the GTX 970 was built on 28 nm lithography while the RX 480 / RX 580 are on 14 nm lithography. When Nvidia dropped to 16 nm at the same power consumption they came out with the GTX 1070, which is about 55% stronger than the GTX 970 but at slightly lower power consumption. When I saw that was all AMD could get out of 14 nm with Polaris (eg RX 470 / 480 / 570 / 580) I knew they were fucked at the high end. Which is exactly what happened with their latest offering, Vega. Full Vega is somewhere in between as strong as the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 while using almost 50W more power than a GTX 1080 Ti. So AMD is dead in the water when it comes to high end gpus, but if you do like leemajors suggests you can find some deals on systems with RX 480 and RX 580 (and also deals on systems with GTX 1060, though I'd only get GTX 1060 6GB, as the 3GB version of the 1060 also has some cores disabled vs the 6GB version).

[NASpurs]

I tried to put together a good 1080p gaming system minus monitor on pcpartpicker.com, and it came out to just under $1000 if you don't pay use tax and do mail in rebates.


CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($179.00 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370P D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($95.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($166.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB OCV1 Video Card ($364.98 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.90 @ Newegg)
Total: $971.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-03-14 08:24 EDT-0400

I figured a 500GB SSD makes sense in the days of 100GB games. We're probably past the point where you'd be fine with only 250GB in a gaming system if you want the benefits of the SSD. Thing is, $1000 for a system with a 60 series card in it is nuts. I spent about $750 for my cpu + board + 16GB ram + gpu + power supply when I built my gaming system in 2014, and that was with a 70 series card (GTX 970) that's about 10% weaker than the GTX 1060 today and an i7 class processor (Xeon E3-1231v3). I didn't buy an SSD until 2015 though, once you could get a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO for $150, which brings that total to roughly $900. But who knows how long the GTX 1060 will still be a strong 1080p gaming card. It's probably the best 60-series card Nvidia has put out since at least the GTX 660 back in 2012, but its generation (Pascal, eg the 1000 series) is creeping up on being two years old now.

One way to cut cost would be to get a cheaper motherboard. With a locked cpu you're probably fine with a $50 H310 board instead of a $100 Z370 one, though it might be a couple of months before we see the cheaper boards released. Right now you're stuck with $100+ Z370 boards if you want the newest gen of Intel processors (and you do want this newest gen, it's an enormous upgrade over the previous gen).

One plus now though is the current gen of i5 absolutely mop the floor with every previous gen of i5. AMD's Ryzen 5 1600 was such a huge threat to Intel's dominance in the desktop market that they had to immediately respond by slapping on two extra cores to all i5 and non-enthusiast i7 with their current gen of cpus (eg Coffee Lake). Don't sweat that 2.8 GHz base clock in the i5-8400. From reviews I have seen that thing runs at 3.6 GHz to 3.8 GHz on all cores in actual gaming loads if I remember right.

That looks pretty good, gives me an idea what I should be getting plus the extra info you added educates me a bit. So basically if you want a quality system that's a combination of Intel + nvidia, you're looking to spend a minimum of $1300 including the monitor is what I'm getting from that parts list.

I tried to mess around pcpartspicker and I kept getting a system build similar to yours with a similar price.

It doesn't help that that Intel i5 is right in that sweet price similar to the Ryzen line from what I noticed messing around with that website. And with Raedeons being shit, seems like I don't have much of a choice and my hands are tied.

[baseline bum]

That looks pretty good, gives me an idea what I should be getting plus the extra info you added educates me a bit. So basically if you want a quality system that's a combination of Intel + nvidia, you're looking to spend a minimum of $1300 including the monitor is what I'm getting from that parts list.

I tried to mess around pcpartspicker and I kept getting a system build similar to yours with a similar price.

It doesn't help that that Intel i5 is right in that sweet price similar to the Ryzen line from what I noticed messing around with that website. And with Raedeons being shit, seems like I don't have much of a choice and my hands are tied.

leemajors had a good post above recommending prebuilts. Duh I completely forgot that since for so long building your own system was a far better solution. But today it's not so bad. I saw a CyberpowerPC system on amazon for $800 that has a last gen i5, AMD RX 580, and 8GB DDR4 RAM with a 1TB HDD and a legit Windows license for $800. My build I posted above was assuming you'd pirate Windows. :lol

I think RGB lighting is ugly as fuck, but this ain't bad for $780.

https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-GXIVR8020A4-Desktop-i5-7400-7200RPM/dp/B0747W15QL

EDIT: Crap, I forgot you already bought a case :lol

[NASpurs]

leemajors (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1150) had a good post above recommending prebuilts. Duh I completely forgot that since for so long building your own system was a far better solution. But today it's not so bad. I saw a CyberpowerPC system on amazon for $800 that has a last gen i5, AMD RX 580, and 8GB DDR4 RAM with a 1TB HDD and a legit Windows license for $800. My build I posted above was assuming you'd pirate Windows. :lol

I think RGB lighting is ugly as fuck, but this ain't bad for $780.

https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-GXIVR8020A4-Desktop-i5-7400-7200RPM/dp/B0747W15QL

EDIT: Crap, I forgot you already bought a case :lol

I was thinking about canceling the order of my case yesterday night but it was too late; it was already in the "packaging" stage of my order lol. It's fine though I guess.

Fuck I forgot about the Windows license bullshit. Pirating that shit is such a pain in the ass.

[baseline bum]

I was thinking about canceling the order of my case yesterday night but it was too late; it was already in the "packaging" stage of my order lol. It's fine though I guess.

Fuck I forgot about the Windows license bullshit. Pirating that shit is such a pain in the ass.

Well AMD is effectively shit when buying gpus by themselves, since the RX 470/480/570/580 are enormously overpriced as they're great mining cards and since the high end AMD cards (Vega 56, Vega 64, and Vega Frontier Edition) legitimately are crap compared to Nvidia when it comes to gaming.

[leemajors]

I was thinking about canceling the order of my case yesterday night but it was too late; it was already in the "packaging" stage of my order lol. It's fine though I guess.

Fuck I forgot about the Windows license bullshit. Pirating that shit is such a pain in the ass.

https://www.g2deal.com/windows-10-professional-32-64-bit.html

$12.68, I got my brother a key there a few months ago, works fine.

[baseline bum]

https://www.g2deal.com/windows-10-professional-32-64-bit.html

$12.68, I got my brother a key there a few months ago, works fine.

Pirating is pretty easy though, and Microsoft considers you a pirate anyways if you use a key from a reseller instead of a legit Windows license from an authorized seller. Since MS publishes SHA-1 hashes for all their isos it's pretty easy to tell if the iso you downloaded from say PirateBay is legit or if it's altered in some way by computing the SHA-1 hash on it.

[DJR210]

Amazon is where I go now since the no tax was literally the only advantage newegg offered.

:lol

Sucks, I had no idea they were bought out.. I haven't ordered anything from them for quite a while, so I'm glad you said they're garbage now because I wouldn't have known.

[TDMVPDPOY]

hey guys looks like cryptocoin mining has crash, and prices of certain GPUs have gone down in price near rrp

but lol those miners trying to offload their stock of gpus used for mining...

[Chris]

Just installed a 600W EVGA power supply. My first time installing one and it was much easier than I thought it would be except for the motherboard cable. Back on the computer for now - going to run Battlefield 4 to stress test. Originally the computer would shut down after playing BF4 and blowing shit up in the little bird.

[DMC]

Just installed a 600W EVGA power supply. My first time installing one and it was much easier than I thought it would be except for the motherboard cable. Back on the computer for now - going to run Battlefield 4 to stress test. Originally the computer would shut down after playing BF4 and blowing shit up in the little bird.

Remember the Little Birds!

[ElNono]

Just upgraded the office PC to a i9-7940x... been doing some heavy 3D/AI stuff...

[Chris]

Remember the Little Birds!

I prefer the SU-50 if I can get my hands on it. Best jet in the game and I think I'm still ranked 5th in Texas.

[baseline bum]

I'm not tech savy and have never built a computer, but damn I want to try it :lol

Maybe I'll learn a few things along the way, then I will start developing .... dammit hopefully I will build an Iron Man suit running on Jarvis 2.0

Did you ever try it?

[DJR210]

Did you ever try it?

Would you go 9700k or 8700k? What about the best i5 for either series? I'm gonna treat myself and upgrade my PC's brains, but I'm not sure which one I would go with.. I've read people complaining that the 9th gen is hotter, requires 2400+mhz RAM, and some other shit.. what do you know about all that shit?

[ElNono]

Would you go 9700k or 8700k? What about the best i5 for either series? I'm gonna treat myself and upgrade my PC's brains, but I'm not sure which one I would go with.. I've read people complaining that the 9th gen is hotter, requires 2400+mhz RAM, and some other shit.. what do you know about all that shit?

For an extra $50 you get 2 more cores/4 threads, the 9700k over 8700k is a no brainier, IMO, but it's been out of stock here or there.

[baseline bum]

Would you go 9700k or 8700k? What about the best i5 for either series? I'm gonna treat myself and upgrade my PC's brains, but I'm not sure which one I would go with.. I've read people complaining that the 9th gen is hotter, requires 2400+mhz RAM, and some other shit.. what do you know about all that shit?

Personally I'd wait to hear what the PS5 and XBox Whatever have in them because most PC releases are going to be rushed ports of console games. We don't know if the cpus in the next consoles will go for lots of threads at low clocks like PS4/XB1 did or if they'll be higher IPC chips at higher clocks now that Ryzen 2 looks possible. If they're Ryzen 2 I can't see any way they'd go say 8c/16t because of the cost.

These days I would never buy RAM slower than DDR4-3000. Especially since you'll be gaming on a high refresh rate panel. RAM speed can really matter in some games when you're cpu limited, which you will be if you do a gpu upgrade to start playing new games at 100+ fps. When I went from DDR3-1600 to DDR3-2400 my minimums in Fallout 4 went up like 15% to the point I almost never dropped under 60 fps. My minimums in GTA V (another game very cpu bound on my Xeon E3-1231v3 + GTX 970 system at 1080p) went up a solid 10% also with the upgrade to DDR3-2400. I know it used to be PCMR religion that RAM speed doesn't matter, but it really can in many games when cpu limited. Witcher 3 is another game that is supposed to have huge gains in performance from RAM speed.

It kind of sucks they got rid of hyperthreading in the i7-9700k so now it's an 8c/8t cpu instead of the 8c/16t you would expect after the i7-8700k is 6c/12t, everything from i7-2600k to i7-7700k is 4c/8t.

[baseline bum]

For an extra $50 you get 2 more cores/4 threads, the 9700k over 8700k is a no brainier, IMO, but it's been out of stock here or there.

9700k doesn't have hyperthreading. You get two more cores and 4 less threads.

[baseline bum]

I gotta say I'm eyeing the RTX 2060 so I can get back into playing PC games with shit maxed, but I keep seeing these rumors of a Turing GTX 1660 Ti without all the raytracing crap I don't give two fucks about. I mean raytracing will eventually be incredible but I have no interest in it right now when you can't keep 60 fps at 1080p with it on even in Battlefield V (and Battlefield games are usually pretty light on the gpu).

[ElNono]

9700k doesn't have hyperthreading. You get two more cores and 4 less threads.

Well, that's fucking bullshit. Being an i7 I thought they did, but you're right. Is that the first ever i7 w/o HT?

[DJR210]

For an extra $50 you get 2 more cores/4 threads, the 9700k over 8700k is a no brainier, IMO, but it's been out of stock here or there.

Yes, but if what I hear about having to buy a specific type of RAM is true that 50 just became much higher..

[DJR210]

Personally I'd wait to hear what the PS5 and XBox Whatever have in them because most PC releases are going to be rushed ports of console games. We don't know if the cpus in the next consoles will go for lots of threads at low clocks like PS4/XB1 did or if they'll be higher IPC chips at higher clocks now that Ryzen 2 looks possible. If they're Ryzen 2 I can't see any way they'd go say 8c/16t because of the cost.

These days I would never buy RAM slower than DDR4-3000. Especially since you'll be gaming on a high refresh rate panel. RAM speed can really matter in some games when you're cpu limited, which you will be if you do a gpu upgrade to start playing new games at 100+ fps. When I went from DDR3-1600 to DDR3-2400 my minimums in Fallout 4 went up like 15% to the point I almost never dropped under 60 fps. My minimums in GTA V (another game very cpu bound on my Xeon E3-1231v3 + GTX 970 system at 1080p) went up a solid 10% also with the upgrade to DDR3-2400. I know it used to be PCMR religion that RAM speed doesn't matter, but it really can in many games when cpu limited. Witcher 3 is another game that is supposed to have huge gains in performance from RAM speed.

It kind of sucks they got rid of hyperthreading in the i7-9700k so now it's an 8c/8t cpu instead of the 8c/16t you would expect after the i7-8700k is 6c/12t, everything from i7-2600k to i7-7700k is 4c/8t.

I don't want to wait tbh because my 3570k is limiting the fuck outta me on CPU heavy games and if I wait some crisis or some shit will popup and i wont be able fuck off 5 bills or so

[DJR210]

I gotta say I'm eyeing the RTX 2060 so I can get back into playing PC games with shit maxed, but I keep seeing these rumors of a Turing GTX 1660 Ti without all the raytracing crap I don't give two fucks about. I mean raytracing will eventually be incredible but I have no interest in it right now when you can't keep 60 fps at 1080p with it on even in Battlefield V (and Battlefield games are usually pretty light on the gpu).

I thought I read that the 1660 Ti was the mist affordable way to experience Ray Tracing not skip it..

[DJR210]

9700k doesn't have hyperthreading. You get two more cores and 4 less threads.

So in review.. 9700k or 8700k?

[baseline bum]

I thought I read that the 1660 Ti was the mist affordable way to experience Ray Tracing not skip it..

1660 Ti is supposed to be a GTX card, not an RTX one. That is if Videocardz didn't just make that shit up.

[baseline bum]

Yes, but if what I hear about having to buy a specific type of RAM is true that 50 just became much higher..

DDR4-2400 is really slow RAM by today's standards. You can probably run DDR4-2400 but what's the point of cheaping out on that shit when you're buying a killer i7?

[baseline bum]

I don't want to wait tbh because my 3570k is limiting the fuck outta me on CPU heavy games and if I wait some crisis or some shit will popup and i wont be able fuck off 5 bills or so

You playing Battlefield V? I saw lots of people complain about cpu bottleneck with i5 in BF1.

[baseline bum]

So in review.. 9700k or 8700k?

I'd probably go 9700k but I don't know a lot about how they overclock. You could find yourself in the same situation again like with your 3570k though if the consoles turn out to have weak IPC, low clockspeed 8c/16t cpus that necessitate spreading load across 16 threads to work worth a crap. Rumors seem to suggest Zen 2 in the consoles though, which would mean good clocks and good IPC, and thus probably not 16 thread cpus since how the hell would you do that in a $500 or less system?

[ElNono]

Yes, but if what I hear about having to buy a specific type of RAM is true that 50 just became much higher..

They're both rated DDR4-2666... it's always better in pairs, but that applies to both. They also both have the same number of PCI lanes.

The 9700k has a slightly clock boost (and probably a bit better single core performance) but sacrifices hyperthreading.

Considering the most common config nowadays is 2-4 cores, 6 will probably do the job. Thing is, clocks aren't scaling anymore, it's all about MP, and hyperthreading helps on that.

Also to consider: this is probably the last build you're gonna be able to make with an LGA 1151. So it might not be worth to put the extra money into it now... the next time you're going to need new mobo and RAM too.

[DJR210]

You playing Battlefield V? I saw lots of people complain about cpu bottleneck with i5 in BF1.

No, but I get like 90%+ usage with spikes that cause stuttering on Insurgency Sandstorm and that has less going on destruction wise than Battlefield V I assume..

[DJR210]

They're both rated DDR4-2666... it's always better in pairs, but that applies to both. They also both have the same number of PCI lanes.

The 9700k has a slightly clock boost (and probably a bit better single core performance) but sacrifices hyperthreading.

Considering the most common config nowadays is 2-4 cores, 6 will probably do the job. Thing is, clocks aren't scaling anymore, it's all about MP, and hyperthreading helps on that.

Also to consider: this is probably the last build you're gonna be able to make with an LGA 1151. So it might not be worth to put the extra money into it now... the next time you're going to need new mobo and RAM too.

:lol it will also be my first 1151.. I'm on like z77 chipset or some shit

[baseline bum]

They're both rated DDR4-2666... it's always better in pairs, but that applies to both. They also both have the same number of PCI lanes.

The 9700k has a slightly clock boost (and probably a bit better single core performance) but sacrifices hyperthreading.

Considering the most common config nowadays is 2-4 cores, 6 will probably do the job. Thing is, clocks aren't scaling anymore, it's all about MP, and hyperthreading helps on that.

Also to consider: this is probably the last build you're gonna be able to make with an LGA 1151. So it might not be worth to put the extra money into it now... the next time you're going to need new mobo and RAM too.

So do you think a 6c/12t cpu is a better fit for next gen gaming than is an 8c/8t cpu? The rumored PS5 specs I have heard are saying an 8c/16t Ryzen 2 cpu, but that sounds ridiculously expensive for a gaming console.

[ElNono]

So do you think a 6c/12t cpu is a better fit for next gen gaming than is an 8c/8t cpu? The rumored PS5 specs I have heard are saying an 8c/16t Ryzen 2 cpu, but that sounds ridiculously expensive for a gaming console.

I don't know about next gen specifically, but unless something drastic happens, you're just going to see more core/HT counts and CU counts on the GPU than faster clock speeds.

Software in general has been moving to async multi-threaded stuff for quite a while now, and new coprocessors like the new Tensor cores on NVidia that do Ray Tracing is more parallel number crunching.

As far as consoles (and this is a personal opinion, I have no idea what's in store) 8 real cores (with split caches) and the current Pro speeds is all you need CPU-wise, but definitely could use more compute units, more memory and faster memory bus.

The biggest issue with delivering steady 4k is GPU, bandwidth and framebuffer sizes, especially if you're doing multi-pass and don't want to use tiling tricks.

[baseline bum]

Fucking Nvidia. Releasing a GTX 1660 Ti 6GB at $279 on February 15th that's only 19% faster than the GTX 1060 6GB in the Ashes of the Singularity benchmark. So in a new generation with you only get a 19% performance bump at a 12% price bump? Fuck Nvidia and their monopoly pricing, I'm going to wait for Navi.

[ElNono]

Fucking Nvidia. Releasing a GTX 1660 Ti 6GB at $279 on February 15th that's only 19% faster than the GTX 1060 6GB in the Ashes of the Singularity benchmark. So in a new generation with you only get a 19% performance bump at a 12% price bump? Fuck Nvidia and their monopoly pricing, I'm going to wait for Navi.

That benchmark going around is apparently mobile.

[baseline bum]

That benchmark going around is apparently mobile.

God I hope it's mobile 1660 and not mobile 1660 Ti. I miss the days when new generations meant more performance for less money. On the current Nvidia pricing model you'd expect gpu prices to grow exponentially. :lol

[hater]

Isnt the Bitcoin mining affecting GPU prices?

Thats an external factor tbqh

I been wanting to upgrade my GTX 950 but if I wanna go 4k id have to get a new monitor

What would be good 1080p upgrade for my 950??

[baseline bum]

Isnt the Bitcoin mining affecting GPU prices?

Thats an external factor tbqh

I been wanting to upgrade my GTX 950 but if I wanna go 4k id have to get a new monitor

What would be good 1080p upgrade for my 950??

Gpu mining is dead right now. My brother said he doesn't even run his mining rig now with a 1080 Ti and two 1080s because it says he can't make enough to pay for the electricity usage. If you're looking for a cheap 1080p upgrade then the RX 580 8GB is solid for $200, especially with three free games (including Resident Evil 2 remake and Devil May Cry 5), though in ten days Nvidia is supposed to be releasing the GTX 1660 Ti with roughly +15% to +20% performance over the RX 580 for $280. If you want something pretty overkill that might last three years or so the RTX 2060 at $350 is the least shitty option.

Even with the death of gpu mining it feels like a pretty shitty time to buy a gpu since AMD hasn't made a good gpu since the RX 470/570/480/580 a couple of years ago, giving Nvidia complete market dominance. And with that monopoly pricing. Their very high end card went from $700 (GTX 1080 Ti) to $1200 (RTX 2080 Ti) this gen. Their high end went from $600 (GTX 1080) to $800 (RTX 2080). Their upper midrange went from $380 (GTX 1070) to $500 (RTX 2070). Their midrange went from $250 (GTX 1060) to $350 (RTX 2060). Unless AMD's Navi is awesome this fall expect the ridiculous gpu prices to stick.

[hater]

Thanks man

I guess nvidia taking advantage. I agree them are being bastards. Hope another company can overtake them.

Yes I was looking into 2060 it looks pretty decent and at 350 not that bad as I spent around 300 on my 950 4 years ago

[baseline bum]

Thanks man

I guess nvidia taking advantage. I agree them are being bastards. Hope another company can overtake them.

Yes I was looking into 2060 it looks pretty decent and at 350 not that bad as I spent around 300 on my 950 4 years ago

If you spent $300 on a 950 you got fucking hosed. 970 sold for $330 four years ago.

[hater]

Mmm may e I have a 970? No I thinks its a 50. Anyway I bought it at microcenter I thought around 300.

Maybe Im way off blame it on d ganja :lol

[hater]

Shit my bad its a 970 :lol

[baseline bum]

Shit my bad its a 970 :lol

I was going to say. GTX 950 is a piece of shit, whereas fucking everyone bought GTX 970 in 2014 and 2015 and that was a really solid card with some staying power. RTX 2060 is about a 90% gain in performance over a stock GTX 970 four and a half years later for $20 more. Though to give you an idea how shitty that gain is, the $330 GTX 970 was about 130% faster than the GTX 570 that launched at $330 four years before the GTX 970.

It also sucks Nvidia cheaped out on the vram though by only putting in 6GB when the card going for $350 a couple of months ago had 8GB and almost identical performance (GTX 1070 Ti).

[TDMVPDPOY]

It also sucks Nvidia cheaped out on the vram though by only putting in 6GB when the card going for $350 a couple of months ago had 8GB and almost identical performance (GTX 1070 Ti).

ddr/hmb2 memory is the biggest costs factor, hence ddr memory is pricey due to demand from the smartphone market

dunno why amd went with hbm2, maybe they wannabe a trend setter, but seriously if they just go to ddr6 and lower the price, while keeping the same performance the card is meant to be, maybe they can make another budget card

[hater]

I was going to say. GTX 950 is a piece of shit, whereas fucking everyone bought GTX 970 in 2014 and 2015 and that was a really solid card with some staying power. RTX 2060 is about a 90% gain in performance over a stock GTX 970 four and a half years later for $20 more. Though to give you an idea how shitty that gain is, the $330 GTX 970 was about 130% faster than the GTX 570 that launched at $330 four years before the GTX 970.

It also sucks Nvidia cheaped out on the vram though by only putting in 6GB when the card going for $350 a couple of months ago had 8GB and almost identical performance (GTX 1070 Ti).

Thanks

Yea 970 is pretty solid even now. Might just keep it. Im no big gamer


Btw the 970 is still selling for about $200 in craigslist. Peetty damn good that probably why nvidia upping their prices

[baseline bum]

Thanks

Yea 970 is pretty solid even now. Might just keep it. Im no big gamer


Btw the 970 is still selling for about $200 in craigslist. Peetty damn good that probably why nvidia upping their prices

Anyone who pays $200 for a used 970 today is a moron considering you can get an RX 580 that's at least 15% faster and with double the vram for $200 brand new with free copies of Resident Evil 2 and Devil May Cry 5 (or The Division 2 if you have no taste :lol).

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125962

[vander]

there was some leak about AMD's next gen specs/prices a while back right? has that been debunked? or is AMD still supposed to destroy Intel/Nvidia this year?

[baseline bum]

there was some leak about AMD's next gen specs/prices a while back right? has that been debunked? or is AMD still supposed to destroy Intel/Nvidia this year?

I remember AMD making big claims about their Zen2 cpus, but this is the same company that called the R9 Fury X an overclocker's dream at its reveal. I wouldn't expect big things out of Navi for flagship level performance since it's supposed to be a Polaris replacement, not a Vega replacement. But since I game on a 1080p monitor and a 1080p TV a Polaris replacement is what I'll be looking for. I'm hoping for RTX 2060 level rasterized performance at RX 480 level prices. I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation if Navi is manufactured on a 7nm node, which seems likely since Navi is supposed to be the gpu core in the new XBox and PS5 and no way they could be made at a typical console price point without being 7nm.

[hater]

Baseline is 4k gaming worth it? I do have a 4k tv

What 4k gpu would you recommend without breaking d bank??

[baseline bum]

Baseline is 4k gaming worth it? I do have a 4k tv

What 4k gpu would you recommend without breaking d bank??

For 4k gaming your only options are GTX 1080 Ti ($600 used), RTX 2080 ($800), and RTX 2080 Ti ($1200). And GTX 1080 Ti and RTX 2080 are just barely there today, so you'll need to upgrade in a couple of years most likely with either of those. So there is no such thing as 4k gaming today without breaking the bank.

[hater]

Cool tnx

Might as well buy an X box S right?

Its bullshit that they sont support pc games on xbox

Also another option will be game streaming? Microsoft is about to launch that. Of course that will come with a subscription. But if its at nextflix pricing then not bad at all

[baseline bum]

Cool tnx

Might as well buy an X box S right?

Its bullshit that they sont support pc games on xbox

Also another option will be game streaming? Microsoft is about to launch that. Of course that will come with a subscription. But if its at nextflix pricing then not bad at all

None of the consoles do 4k, and the XBox One S doesn't even do 1080p most of the time. The XBox One X will usually render at 1440p to 1800p and upscale to 4k, as does the PS4 Pro (though the XBox One X is virtually always at a higher internal resolution). There is nothing an XBox One S will run better than a PC with a GTX 970, and most of the time a decent PC with a GTX 970 will badly outperform the XBox One X. The only reason for someone with a PC with a GTX 970 in it to buy a console is for exclusives, so if you want to buy one you should go PS4 or Switch since anything on XBox is on PC. I personally ran a 25 foot HDMI cable to my TV so I could use my PC on both monitor and TV (TV is the secondary screen).

Also the new PS5 and XBox should be coming out in 2020.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol vega 7 benchmark reviews are out, what a fkn joke of a card rushed out by amd

[baseline bum]

lol vega 7 benchmark reviews are out, what a fkn joke of a card rushed out by amd

What did you expect? Vega is one of the worst gpu architectures I have ever seen.

[baseline bum]

God damn look at this horrible performance in Metro Exodus. A fucking GTX 1080 can't stay above 60 fps at 1080p.

https://i.ibb.co/4TPbWPd/metro.png

DJR210 and Cry Havoc rolling in their graves at this news.

[DJR210]

God damn look at this horrible performance in Metro Exodus. A fucking GTX 1080 can't stay above 60 fps at 1080p.

https://i.ibb.co/4TPbWPd/metro.png

DJR210 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42671) and Cry Havoc (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7256) rolling in their graves at this news.

I'm personally not rolling in my grave. Couldn't care less about Metro

[baseline bum]

Wow Nvidia RTX is such a complete failure. So now five months after launch of the RTX crap we finally get a game that can do RT and DLSS with the newest update to Battlefield V. An here is what it looks like on a 2080 at 3440x1440 with:

left: native 3440x1440
center: 3440x1440 rendered with an internal 80% resolution scale
right: 3440x1440 Nvidia DLSS

https://i.ibb.co/W6SfQnY/lol.png

source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BpOQUkMI4o

[baseline bum]

What a joke from Nvidia. I'm almost certain to buy an AMD card this year or next if Navi is even halfway competent.

[DJR210]

RTX is trash.. they fucking blew it this round. This is how they try to win gamers back after the crypto boom and price gouging? I'm gonna order a Z390 board, 3000 Mhz DDR4 RAM, and a 9600K.. My 1060GB is still kicking ass at 1080p, all I need is some more headroom on the CPU side.

[baseline bum]

RTX is trash.. they fucking blew it this round. This is how they try to win gamers back after the crypto boom and price gouging? I'm gonna order a Z390 board, 3000 Mhz DDR4 RAM, and a 9600K.. My 1060GB is still kicking ass at 1080p, all I need is some more headroom on the CPU side.

Personally I'd pay the $110 extra for the i7-9800k to get the two extra cores now that AAA games mostly target 8 cores in the consoles. Especially if the consoles end up using Ryzen 2 next gen, since that will mean games will be designed for relatively high IPC chips with lots of cores. Since a platform upgrade is so expensive I'd spend the extra now to give more time before really feeling the need to upgrade again.

EDIT: Fuck, I meant 9700k. But I don't see 9700k for MSRP anywhere. So it's more like $410 for the 9700k vs $260 for the 9600k. I'd probably still pay the extra for the 9700k since cpu upgrade usually means full platform upgrade eg board, RAM, cooler, ssd, etc.

[DJR210]

Personally I'd pay the $110 extra for the i7-9800k to get the two extra cores now that AAA games mostly target 8 cores in the consoles. Especially if the consoles end up using Ryzen 2 next gen, since that will mean games will be designed for relatively high IPC chips with lots of cores. Since a platform upgrade is so expensive I'd spend the extra now to give more time before really feeling the need to upgrade again.

EDIT: Fuck, I meant 9700k. But I don't see 9700k for MSRP anywhere. So it's more like $410 for the 9700k vs $260 for the 9600k. I'd probably still pay the extra for the 9700k since cpu upgrade usually means full platform upgrade eg board, RAM, cooler, ssd, etc.

Yeah I don't wanna spend over 400.00 on a processor.. when I checked just like 3 weeks ago it was 359.00 which I would pay.. there's a short supply right now, and I don't wanna pay or wait for 9 frames better performance

[baseline bum]

Yeah I don't wanna spend over 400.00 on a processor.. when I checked just like 3 weeks ago it was 359.00 which I would pay.. there's a short supply right now, and I don't wanna pay or wait for 9 frames better performance

You're only getting two more threads though going from 3570k to 9600k. I personally wouldn't go anything less than the number of threads in next gen consoles since most PC games are going to be shitty ports of the console games. Maybe the Ryzen 2 chips in the next gen are hexacores without SMT. But if they're quadcores with SMT and clockspeeds slashed to fit console power budgets you're going to get games designed for eight cores while you only have six, and IPC + clockspeed don't make up for core count deficiencies. I remember seeing the benchmarks from Digital Foundry showing the 2C/4T i3-4130 at 3.4 GHz just slaughtering the 2C/2T Pentium G3258 at 4.8 GHz in almost every game. To me the i5 don't look like the best value in a many corez world now. I'd go Ryzen+ before I'd go i5 unless you need to run games requiring straight single core grunt like the Cemu emulator, the Yuzu emulator, or if you're still a huge Arma III player.

[Cry Havoc]

God damn look at this horrible performance in Metro Exodus. A fucking GTX 1080 can't stay above 60 fps at 1080p.

https://i.ibb.co/4TPbWPd/metro.png

DJR210 and Cry Havoc rolling in their graves at this news.

Look at the R9 Fury X. 40fps from an ancient video card. That's pretty remarkable.

Side note: Wtf why did they spell out "thirty"? xD

[baseline bum]

Look at the R9 Fury X. 40fps from an ancient video card. That's pretty remarkable.

Side note: Wtf why did they spell out "thirty"? xD

It's not that impressive when the 980 Ti came out before the Fury X at the same price and is getting 49 fps. Especially when you factor in those are stock numbers and aftermarket 980 Ti overclocked like madmen while Fury X was right at its limits clocked at stock speeds.

Maxwell >> Fiji

[Cry Havoc]

It's not that impressive when the 980 Ti came out before the Fury X at the same price and is getting 49 fps. Especially when you factor in those are stock numbers and aftermarket 980 Ti overclocked like madmen while Fury X was right at its limits clocked at stock speeds.

Maxwell >> Fiji

Yeah but the 2xx cards are still the best from that stretch of time. 290x is one of the finest GPUs in history for the price.

[baseline bum]

Yeah but the 2xx cards are still the best from that stretch of time. 290x is one of the finest GPUs in history for the price.

Aftermarket R9 290 circa November 2014 is probably the best gpu deal I have ever seen. I couldn't believe seeing those things for $200 to $230 regularly that entire month. It would be like getting an RTX 2080 for $200 today.

[baseline bum]

The 290 and the 290x were the great cards of the R9 200 series. R9 270, 280, and 280x were good cards for the money at first, but obviously 290 and 290x prices tanking meant there was no reason to buy them by late October 2014. R9 285 was crap with the drop to 2GB vram from the 3GB the R9 280 had. R9 270x was a little overpriced IMO but still solid. R7 260x and below were pretty trash.

[DJR210]

Pulled the trigger on a Gigabyte Z390 board, 9600k, and some 3200 Mhz DDR4

[baseline bum]

Pulled the trigger on a Gigabyte Z390 board, 9600k, and some 3200 Mhz DDR4

Please tell me you have an aftermarket cooler man. Also you should check CEMU now. That cpu (with a good overclock) and RAM with a 1060 should be enough to get a mostly locked 60 fps in BOTW as long as you have CEMU set up correctly (see the BSOD_gaming channel on youtube for a tutorial) and are using the correct shader caches (BSOD_gaming will probably link his shader cache in the video).

[DJR210]

Please tell me you have an aftermarket cooler man. Also you should check CEMU now. That cpu (with a good overclock) and RAM with a 1060 should be enough to get a mostly locked 60 fps in BOTW as long as you have CEMU set up correctly (see the BSOD_gaming channel on youtube for a tutorial) and are using the correct shader caches (BSOD_gaming will probably link his shader cache in the video).

Yeah, Jewtel stopped packaging them in, but thankfully the Hyper 212 Evo is compatible w/ the Z390 boards.. Will be taking if off the current motherboard and switching it to the new one . I plan on running this bitch at 4.9-5.0 Ghz.. I have a high air flow case, and my ambient temps are about 72 inside.. Sounds pretty attainable judging from people's reviews. Gonna XMP profile the shit outta that RAM too

[DJR210]

That's a pretty sizeable FPS gain for BFV between 2133 and 3000 Mhz tbh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m692eBH2Jw

[baseline bum]

Yeah, Jewtel stopped packaging them in, but thankfully the Hyper 212 Evo is compatible w/ the Z390 boards.. Will be taking if off the current motherboard and switching it to the new one . I plan on running this bitch at 4.9-5.0 Ghz.. I have a high air flow case, and my ambient temps are about 72 inside.. Sounds pretty attainable judging from people's reviews

Meh who would even want a stock cooler on a K-series chip today anyways? They couldn't keep up with the 4790k at stock five years ago, so they'd have no hope in hell cooling a cpu with a smaller die and higher stock power consumption, not to mention the added power consumption from an OC. Hyper 212 EVO should get the job done though.

[baseline bum]

That's a pretty sizeable FPS gain for BFV between 2133 and 3000 Mhz tbh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m692eBH2Jw

Yeah the "RAM speed doesn't matter" piece of PCMR religion died off when gpus started getting strong enough and cpu parallelization good enough that cpu started to become a bottleneck at 1080p. It was mostly true for the first half of the decade, but not the second half. I got pretty significant boosts to my worst framerate dips in cpu bound games like Fallout 4 and GTA V when upgrading from DDR3-1600 to DDR3-2400. I'm talking like 15% difference just from that one change.

[ElNono]

tbh, I bought a Corsair H100i for my last PC upgrade here at home and highly recommend it... quiet, no huge heat sink to fit on the case, and you can place the fans laterally on a filtered vent.

[baseline bum]

tbh, I bought a Corsair H100i for my last PC upgrade here at home and highly recommend it... quiet, no huge heat sink to fit on the case, and you can place the fans laterally on a filtered vent.

I wish Corsair still made the 250D since it's one of the few mini ITX cases that can hold a full 240mm liquid cooler like that. I want to do a mini ITX system next build and that case looked perfect for one.

[DJR210]

Yeah the "RAM speed doesn't matter" piece of PCMR religion died off when gpus started getting strong enough and cpu parallelization good enough that cpu started to become a bottleneck at 1080p. It was mostly true for the first half of the decade, but not the second half. I got pretty significant boosts to my worst framerate dips in cpu bound games like Fallout 4 and GTA V when upgrading from DDR3-1600 to DDR3-2400. I'm talking like 15% difference just from that one change.

That's badass.. that's the main reason I wanted to upgrade.. GTA V runs great until the physics and particle effects and shit start getting hectic during explosions and stuff.. fucking ruins the game for me. Maybe I can finally get some online enjoyment out of Arma 3 now too..

[DJR210]

tbh, I bought a Corsair H100i for my last PC upgrade here at home and highly recommend it... quiet, no huge heat sink to fit on the case, and you can place the fans laterally on a filtered vent.

I'm going to get one too.. First I need an SSD though

[ElNono]

I wish Corsair still made the 250D since it's one of the few mini ITX cases that can hold a full 240mm liquid cooler like that. I want to do a mini ITX system next build and that case looked perfect for one.

That's the case I have. Loaded with a X299 MiniITX mobo, i9-7940X, and the H100i. Still rocking a GTX960, but will probably upgrade soon (will have a 2080ti at work now). It's a mini rocket ship :lol

[DJR210]

God damn.. huge improvement after the upgrade to a 9600k and 3200 Mhz DDR4 RAM. GTA V is buttery smooth now.. There is seriously no amount of chaos that I can cause that will cause my FPS to drop below 60 FPS. I'm seeing like 40-50 FPS gains on some of my games :tu

[ElNono]

God damn.. huge improvement after the upgrade to a 9600k and 3200 Mhz DDR4 RAM. GTA V is buttery smooth now.. There is seriously no amount of chaos that I can cause that will cause my FPS to drop below 60 FPS. I'm seeing like 40-50 FPS gains on some of my games :tu

:tu:tu:tu

[diego]

FYI h100i owners
https://www.techpowerup.com/254241/corsair-recalls-some-h100i-rgb-platinum-se-coolers-over-faulty-plumbing

[baseline bum]

Nice. Lisa Su is going to showing off the new Ryzen 2 chips as well as Navi at Computex next month. It's officially announced. I bet those are going to be some fucking killer cpus on 7nm considering how well they're currently doing at 12nm. Not so sure what to expect out of Navi though since Vega VII on 7nm was a huge pos. Very strongly considering an AMD cpu on my next build.

[DJR210]

Fucking RGB everything :lol I got fucking RGB on my motherboard now.. it's just too much

[DJR210]

Nice. Lisa Su is going to showing off the new Ryzen 2 chips as well as Navi at Computex next month. It's officially announced. I bet those are going to be some fucking killer cpus on 7nm considering how well they're currently doing at 12nm. Not so sure what to expect out of Navi though since Vega VII on 7nm was a huge pos. Very strongly considering an AMD cpu on my next build.

Don't you have a Xeon or some shit? Is an upgrade even needed?

Speaking of Xeon they announced like 5 new models recently too.. Something w/ 64 Cores and 128 threads or some shit

[baseline bum]

Don't you have a Xeon or some shit? Is an upgrade even needed?

Speaking of Xeon they announced like 5 new models recently too.. Something w/ 64 Cores and 128 threads or some shit

Yeah I have an E3-1231v3. It's not really a typical high end Xeon though. Those are the E5 and E7 models. The E3-1231v3 is just an i7-4770 without an IGPU, minus 100 MHz, with a little lower power consumption (probably because of no IGPU), and marketed as a very low end server processor instead of a higher end gaming cpu. It was a nice loophole to get an i7 for the price of an i5, but Intel closed that with Skylake by forcing you to use expensive server boards with their Xeon chips.

I imagine my platform will start really showing its age in a couple of years, though I still want to see what the next gen consoles will be like. We'll probably start getting an idea what they'll look like by the end of this year.

[leemajors]

Fucking RGB everything :lol I got fucking RGB on my motherboard now.. it's just too much

I have a fractal r5 case specifically so I cannot see that shit.

[baseline bum]

AC Unity is free on UPlay today and for a couple more days or so. Just claim it in the next couple of days and you own it.

[baseline bum]

Finally some decent gpu deals now with Nvidia releasing the RTX 2060 Super at $400 with RTX 2070 level performance and the RTX 2070 Super at $500 with RTX 2080 level performance.

[TDMVPDPOY]

ryzen2 cpus just released, fck mad results

the navi gpu 5700xt $399 => 1080ti performance/ 2070 super cards....damn (a bit too late for response, but still better then nothing when it comes to competition)

[RD2191]

So I want to build a mini pc as I don't have much space. Portability would also be a plus. Probably light gaming but mostly browsing and watching movies and such. Any recommendations or website recommendations to help with such a build? There's YouTube videos out there but most all builds seem to be aimed at gaming, I'm looking for something more general use. I know surprisingly little about PC's given how much time I spend on them. :lol

[spurraider21]

So I want to build a mini pc as I don't have much space. Portability would also be a plus. Probably light gaming but mostly browsing and watching movies and such. Any recommendations or website recommendations to help with such a build? There's YouTube videos out there but most all builds seem to be aimed at gaming, I'm looking for something more general use. I know surprisingly little about PC's given how much time I spend on them. :lol
tbh seems like you want a laptop :lol

[baseline bum]

So I want to build a mini pc as I don't have much space. Portability would also be a plus. Probably light gaming but mostly browsing and watching movies and such. Any recommendations or website recommendations to help with such a build? There's YouTube videos out there but most all builds seem to be aimed at gaming, I'm looking for something more general use. I know surprisingly little about PC's given how much time I spend on them. :lol

Define light gaming. As in what games do you want to play? If you tell me just emulating N64 or PS2 that's a lot different than saying you want to play Cybperunk 2077 when it comes out.

[vander]

tbh seems like you want a laptop :lol

tbh
imo go with asus

[RD2191]

tbh seems like you want a laptop :lol

I've been looking at the dell xps 13/15 but the size just seems too small. I want something a bit bigger. Plus laptops just aren't all that cool to me :lol

[RD2191]

Define light gaming. As in what games do you want to play? If you tell me just emulating N64 or PS2 that's a lot different than saying you want to play Cybperunk 2077 when it comes out.

Somewhere in the middle maybe? Kind of don't know what I want tbh :lol budget is around $1,000. What can I get for that? :lol

[spurraider21]

I've been looking at the dell xps 13/15 but the size just seems too small. I want something a bit bigger. Plus laptops just aren't all that cool to me :lol
pretty sure you can find 17 inch laptops too, just heavier. but if you want basic browsing/streaming with portability being an emphasis, dont see why a laptop wont do

[RD2191]

Define light gaming. As in what games do you want to play? If you tell me just emulating N64 or PS2 that's a lot different than saying you want to play Cybperunk 2077 when it comes out.

Somewhere in the middle maybe? Kind of don't know what I want tbh :lol budget is around $1,000. What can I get for that? :lol

[RD2191]

pretty sure you can find 17 inch laptops too, just heavier. but if you want basic browsing/streaming with portability being an emphasis, dont see why a laptop wont do

I'm leaning that way tbh.

[DJR210]

I've been looking at the dell xps 13/15 but the size just seems too small. I want something a bit bigger. Plus laptops just aren't all that cool to me :lol

If you get a laptop with balls you could always hook it up via HDMI to your TV

[baseline bum]

Death Stranding coming to PC next summer.

1188787623965401088

[TDMVPDPOY]

man the new rx5500 from amd are awesome budget cards... rx5500 4gb ddr6 navi => rx580 8gb ddr5 polaris performance...

cant wait for the 8gb versions

[baseline bum]

man the new rx5500 from amd are awesome budget cards... rx5500 4gb ddr6 navi => rx580 8gb ddr5 polaris performance...

cant wait for the 8gb versions

Card looks like nothing special unless they price it like $120 max. Otherwise you can get the same performance out of the GTX 1650 Super already for $160.

[140]

Looking to upgrade my PC for the first time since I build it back in 2012 (except for the GPU that I had to replace a couple years later) but apparently none of the new processors are good for my mobo :lol so I was wondering if you think it would be worth it to get a i7 3770K which is basically the best one I could get?

[DJR210]

Looking to upgrade my PC for the first time since I build it back in 2012 (except for the GPU that I had to replace a couple years later) but apparently none of the new processors are good for my mobo :lol so I was wondering if you think it would be worth it to get a i7 3770K which is basically the best one I could get?

Hell nah.. too dated. My 3570k @ 4.5 Ghz was still pretty good for a lot of things, but it really started to show it's age in certain applications. I went 9600K and Z397 a while back and it was a massive increase

[baseline bum]

Looking to upgrade my PC for the first time since I build it back in 2012 (except for the GPU that I had to replace a couple years later) but apparently none of the new processors are good for my mobo :lol so I was wondering if you think it would be worth it to get a i7 3770K which is basically the best one I could get?

No, 3770k isn't going to be a very good processor in 2020 and could likely end up a dogshit gaming cpu by 2021-22. Good cpus are cheap right now with AMD reasserting itself in the marketplace. The Ryzen R5 3600 / 3600x are seriously great 6C/12T cpus for around $200. Here is how it measures up in one of the most cpu heavy games of the generation, where the benchmark was done at 720p with an RTX 2080 Ti to force it to be a straight up cpu test:

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-3600/images/ac-odyssey-1280-720.png

Note this is only in one game, as games with less parallelization the i5-9600k and even i5-8400 can pull even and slightly beat the R5 3600. But with 8C/16T being the norm for the consoles next gen it's not a bad bet that we'll get more games coded like AC Odyssey.

The AMD chips are no fucking joke this time around. Not like back in the FX days where they were crap. Also RAM is back to being decently priced, so this is actually a pretty good time to do a platform upgrade (eg board + cpu + RAM).

Though I'd probably go with the $310 Ryzen 7 3700X since it's an 8C/16T cpu that will probably last you the entire next console generation.

[TimDunkem]

No, 3770k isn't going to be a very good processor in 2020 and could likely end up a dogshit gaming cpu by 2021-22. Good cpus are cheap right now with AMD reasserting itself in the marketplace. The Ryzen R5 3600 / 3600x are seriously great 6C/12T cpus for around $200. Here is how it measures up in one of the most cpu heavy games of the generation, where the benchmark was done at 720p with an RTX 2080 Ti to force it to be a straight up cpu test:

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-3600/images/ac-odyssey-1280-720.png

Note this is only in one game, as games with less parallelization the i5-9600k and even i5-8400 can pull even and slightly beat the R5 3600. But with 8C/16T being the norm for the consoles next gen it's not a bad bet that we'll get more games coded like AC Odyssey.

The AMD chips are no fucking joke this time around. Not like back in the FX days where they were crap. Also RAM is back to being decently priced, so this is actually a pretty good time to do a platform upgrade (eg board + cpu + RAM).

Though I'd probably go with the $310 Ryzen 7 3700X since it's an 8C/16T cpu that will probably last you the entire next console generation.

What board would you pair with the Ryzen 7? I already decided on the Ryzen for my next build.

[140]

Hell nah.. too dated. My 3570k @ 4.5 Ghz was still pretty good for a lot of things, but it really started to show it's age in certain applications. I went 9600K and Z397 a while back and it was a massive increase


No, 3770k isn't going to be a very good processor in 2020 and could likely end up a dogshit gaming cpu by 2021-22. Good cpus are cheap right now with AMD reasserting itself in the marketplace. The Ryzen R5 3600 / 3600x are seriously great 6C/12T cpus for around $200. Here is how it measures up in one of the most cpu heavy games of the generation, where the benchmark was done at 720p with an RTX 2080 Ti to force it to be a straight up cpu test:

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-3600/images/ac-odyssey-1280-720.png

Note this is only in one game, as games with less parallelization the i5-9600k and even i5-8400 can pull even and slightly beat the R5 3600. But with 8C/16T being the norm for the consoles next gen it's not a bad bet that we'll get more games coded like AC Odyssey.

The AMD chips are no fucking joke this time around. Not like back in the FX days where they were crap. Also RAM is back to being decently priced, so this is actually a pretty good time to do a platform upgrade (eg board + cpu + RAM).

Though I'd probably go with the $310 Ryzen 7 3700X since it's an 8C/16T cpu that will probably last you the entire next console generation.
Shit, I really didn't want to get a new mobo right now tbh, more because of the hassle than anything else really :lol It's good to know though, I will have to reconsider now

[baseline bum]

What board would you pair with the Ryzen 7? I already decided on the Ryzen for my next build.

I don't know man. I'm not planning on a platform upgrade until 2021 or 2022 so haven't followed the boards closely. My Xeon E3-1231v3 is 4C/8T so should be able to hang by a thread the next couple of years (it's an i7-4770 without an igpu). But if I was buying today there is no doubt I'd buy a Ryzen 7 3700X, or a Ryzen 5 3600X if I couldn't spare the extra $100.

[baseline bum]

Shit, I really didn't want to get a new mobo right now tbh, more because of the hassle than anything else really :lol It's good to know though, I will have to reconsider now

Meh, you always gotta consider how long lived a good cpu can be nowadays so by the time you want to replace it your board is ancient. Board + CPU + RAM isn't too much of a pain to replace anyways if you do good cable management in your case.

[TDMVPDPOY]

new ryzen cpus are released in 2020...

[DJR210]

Shit, I really didn't want to get a new mobo right now tbh, more because of the hassle than anything else really :lol It's good to know though, I will have to reconsider now

It was a simple install honestly, took me about 30 mins. I actually have since taken all my old parts and made my oldest a gaming PC.. I have a legit internet/gaming cafe in my man cave lol

[ElNono]

The fastest CPU you can put in that thing is a Xeon E3-1270 V2, 4 cores, 8 threads, turbos at 3.9GHz, but you do need a GPU, and it's probably gonna cost you a bundle for a new one since they're old chips now.

[baseline bum]

The fastest CPU you can put in that thing is a Xeon E3-1270 V2, 4 cores, 8 threads, turbos at 3.9GHz, but you do need a GPU, and it's probably gonna cost you a bundle for a new one since they're old chips now.

Nah i7-3770k would be faster since he'd probably be able to get it to 4.5 GHz (assuming he's got a P67, Z68, or Z77 board). Still not something I'd buy in 2020 though considering they seem to go for $130 or so used when you can get Ryzen 5 3600X new for $200 or less. Also since he has a newer gpu there is no way I'd upgrade gpu today with how overpriced shit is on that front. Can't believe Nvidia upped the price of their 60 series cards from $250 to $400 this gen when RT tanks framerates badly enough to be pretty useless on the 60-series cards.

[ElNono]

Nah i7-3770k would be faster since he'd probably be able to get it to 4.5 GHz (assuming he's got a P67, Z68, or Z77 board). Still not something I'd buy in 2020 though considering they seem to go for $130 or so used when you can get Ryzen 5 3600X new for $200 or less. Also since he has a newer gpu there is no way I'd upgrade gpu today with how overpriced shit is on that front. Can't believe Nvidia upped the price of their 60 series cards from $250 to $400 this gen when RT tanks framerates badly enough to be pretty useless on the 60-series cards.

Oops, you're right. For some reason I thought the stock clocks on that were lower.

[diego]

eh, ive only just begun to feel my i7 2600k is holding me back in the last year or so, a lot depends on what resolution you plan on using and what games you like.. in any case always go for the best cpu/mobo you can and ride that shit out! im definitely going to change for a ryzen sometime soon.

[vander]

Welp, I bought the AMD hype, ordered a 3700x,
haven't pulled the trigger on a 5700xt yet though. Not sure if I want to wait for 5800xt or not

[TDMVPDPOY]

Welp, I bought the AMD hype, ordered a 3700x,
haven't pulled the trigger on a 5700xt yet though. Not sure if I want to wait for 5800xt or not

nvidia has made some of their gsync model monitors support freesync/adaptic sync technology, whether those amd cards can fully utilized the gsync tech is another question...

but the gpu depending on your monitor support man..if its gsync buy nvidia, if its freesync, buy either

[vander]

nvidia has made some of their gsync model monitors support freesync/adaptic sync technology, whether those amd cards can fully utilized the gsync tech is another question...

but the gpu depending on your monitor support man..if its gsync buy nvidia, if its freesync, buy either

Its a freesync monitor, definitely going all team red with this pc

[TDMVPDPOY]

Its a freesync monitor, definitely going all team red with this pc

its all about ipc now, unlike stupid intel still boasting about core clock speeds..amd has caught upto them and taking over...

anything 6+ cores will last you a good 5-10yrs, b4 the market starts pushing workstation cpus onto mainstream pc users in the future

im thinking of 3900 or the 3950x which would last me a good 10yrs+, invest in a good monitor also that can last same amount of years, the gpu u can always upgrade since every year a new model always comes out

[baseline bum]

Welp, I bought the AMD hype, ordered a 3700x,
haven't pulled the trigger on a 5700xt yet though. Not sure if I want to wait for 5800xt or not

With a cpu that strong the 5700 XT is a great match. AMD rumors are all over the place so hard to tell if they'll have something more powerful than 5700 XT on this current 7nm process. Or if you'd be waiting 8+ months for their next gen before they build something stronger. If you're holding out for say Cyberpunk then no harm waiting if you have a gpu that can get you to that point I guess.

[baseline bum]

eh, ive only just begun to feel my i7 2600k is holding me back in the last year or so, a lot depends on what resolution you plan on using and what games you like.. in any case always go for the best cpu/mobo you can and ride that shit out! im definitely going to change for a ryzen sometime soon.

You running it stock, or do you have a decent overclock? I know AC Origins and AC Odyssey hammer the hell out of quadcores even with HT. I don't expect my Xeon E3-1231v3 to hold up more than another year, maybe two, before I'll be really thirsting for a Ryzen platform upgrade. With the hell Intel has had trying to get to 10nm it's starting to look like they're going to have a really hard time catching up.

[vander]

With a cpu that strong the 5700 XT is a great match. AMD rumors are all over the place so hard to tell if they'll have something more powerful than 5700 XT on this current 7nm process. Or if you'd be waiting 8+ months for their next gen before they build something stronger. If you're holding out for say Cyberpunk then no harm waiting if you have a gpu that can get you to that point I guess.

yeah, as much as I want to max out Cyberpunk with ray tracing on, the 5800xt will probably be $500+ which is pretty hard to justify for just a video card, and I also want to play RDR2 and Control right now. 5700xt it is

[diego]

You running it stock, or do you have a decent overclock? I know AC Origins and AC Odyssey hammer the hell out of quadcores even with HT. I don't expect my Xeon E3-1231v3 to hold up more than another year, maybe two, before I'll be really thirsting for a Ryzen platform upgrade. With the hell Intel has had trying to get to 10nm it's starting to look like they're going to have a really hard time catching up.

Its overclocked, though I did it like 7 years ago and haven't touched it since .. Its not a huge amount but I don't remember now, not home.. yeah the AC games give me some stutter but nothing unplayable, I'll post the benchmark if you want, I grew up playing shit with less than 15fps so im not obsessed with always being 60+

[baseline bum]

Its overclocked, though I did it like 7 years ago and haven't touched it since .. Its not a huge amount but I don't remember now, not home.. yeah the AC games give me some stutter but nothing unplayable, I'll post the benchmark if you want, I grew up playing shit with less than 15fps so im not obsessed with always being 60+

True, I grew up playing shit at 20 fps. Though 20 fps can look decent on a CRT while looking like dogshit on a modern screen. I tried playing PS2 Vice City right after getting a PS2 last year and it felt like complete crap on my TV but was smooth when I dragged out an old 13" CRT that I kept in the garage. Thankfully most PS2 games are 60 fps and look great on my TV over component.

[baseline bum]

yeah, as much as I want to max out Cyberpunk with ray tracing on, the 5800xt will probably be $500+ which is pretty hard to justify for just a video card, and I also want to play RDR2 and Control right now. 5700xt it is

That's pretty much the build I'd go with if I was going from scratch today, eg 5700 XT + R7 3700X + fast RAM. 5700 XT can largely match 2070 Super for $100 less when paired with a strong cpu.

[FrostKing]

Upgrading the solid state memory in my MacBook Pro. Think I'm gonna pass on the helpful kit.

https://i.ibb.co/5RVwW4Z/Screen-Shot-2019-12-05-at-1-21-52-AM-1.jpg

[baseline bum]

Upgrading the solid state memory in my MacBook Pro. Think I'm gonna pass on the helpful kit.

https://i.ibb.co/5RVwW4Z/Screen-Shot-2019-12-05-at-1-21-52-AM-1.jpg

God $250 for 1 TB SSD is a lot when you can buy PCIE NVME 1TB drives for ~$120 now. Looks like a really fast SSD, but ouch.

[RandomGuy]

No, 3770k isn't going to be a very good processor in 2020 and could likely end up a dogshit gaming cpu by 2021-22. Good cpus are cheap right now with AMD reasserting itself in the marketplace. The Ryzen R5 3600 / 3600x are seriously great 6C/12T cpus for around $200. Here is how it measures up in one of the most cpu heavy games of the generation, where the benchmark was done at 720p with an RTX 2080 Ti to force it to be a straight up cpu test:

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-3600/images/ac-odyssey-1280-720.png

Note this is only in one game, as games with less parallelization the i5-9600k and even i5-8400 can pull even and slightly beat the R5 3600. But with 8C/16T being the norm for the consoles next gen it's not a bad bet that we'll get more games coded like AC Odyssey.

The AMD chips are no fucking joke this time around. Not like back in the FX days where they were crap. Also RAM is back to being decently priced, so this is actually a pretty good time to do a platform upgrade (eg board + cpu + RAM).

Though I'd probably go with the $310 Ryzen 7 3700X since it's an 8C/16T cpu that will probably last you the entire next console generation.

yeah, I may "gift" myself a heavy duty RAM upgrade this year.

SDD's got super cheap super fast too.

I was shocked at how much storage I could get for the same amount I spent on a 500GB solid state drive when I built my machine a couple of years ago.

Spent about 200 bucks and got TEN times the amount of space I had to start with.

Going to have to figure out what my next piecemeal upgrade is.