IDC ANYMORE Baynes > Splitter

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I've seen all I need to see this preseason. Splitter is still soft and a pus. Not one rebound tonight.

Baynes may still be really green, but I think he can be really good if he gets time with Duncan. Thoughts?

[Monkeyboy14]

Thoughts? You're an idiot. ITS A PRESEASON GAME... You think Tiago is going all out? Fuck no. You think baynes is going all out? Fuck yes for a roster stop.

[ElNono]

They're both soft, but Baynes has a much more imposing body and a jumper. It's a long season, and they'll both be useful against different teams.

[ElNono]

My main concern with Tiago is how does he react now that he got paid...

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Thoughts? You're an idiot. ITS A PRESEASON GAME... You think Tiago is going all out? Fuck no. You think baynes is going all out? Fuck yes for a roster stop.

LOL

dude splitter is still incredibly soft

[Monkeyboy14]

LOL

dude splitter is still incredibly soft
Tiago is better, he actually had a pretty good season last year, he has a few bad games in the preseason getting lite minutes and you want to write him off... Grow up

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Tiago is better, he actually had a pretty good season last year, he has a few bad games in the preseason getting lite minutes and you want to write him off... Grow up

i like splitter and i agree he did have a good season.. i just think baynes has a more upside and he gives us what we need now... rebounding.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They're both soft, but Baynes has a much more imposing body and a jumper. It's a long season, and they'll both be useful against different teams.

Meh. Baynes is more than physical enough. He is still finding his way trying not foul and I think people make that into him being timid. That will come around but when he bodies up on the boards or crashes the offensive glass he is anything but soft.

[Monkeyboy14]

i like splitter and i agree he did have a good season.. i just think baynes has a more upside and he gives us what we need now... rebounding.
But u are prepared to flip the two players over a few preseason games..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL

dude splitter is still incredibly soft

He isn't soft. He just cannot jump for shit and has small hands. People expect him to get above the rim when he gets the ball underneath. He isn't explosive enough to do it. Not doing what you cannot is not soft in my view. Discretion is the better part of valor so to speak. I by no means think that he could be doing something more and he just is pussing out. He might use a pump fake to better effect but that isn't toughening up either.

That being said, he is by far our best pnr defender. I am a huge Baynes fanboi but he does not have the skill in perimeter defense that Splitter does. Or running the pnr for that matter.

What I do know is that I never want to see the Diaw/Ayers, Diaw/Bonner, or heaven forbid Bonner/Ayers lineups again. I was hoping the turd towers were a thing of the past. Please let it be so.

[Johnny RIngo]

Splitter's only value comes from his defense and his ability to finish the pnr with a solid playmaker. He'll never be a good rebounder or a dependable iso big. SA overpaid but they didn't want to risk losing the defensive presence he brings to the team. TD and him are probably the best defensive duo in the league(as far as big men go).

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

He isn't soft. He just cannot jump for shit and has small hands. People expect him to get above the rim when he gets the ball underneath. He isn't explosive enough to do it. Not doing what you cannot is not soft in my view. Discretion is the better part of valor so to speak. I by no means think that he could be doing something more and he just is pussing out. He might use a pump fake to better effect but that isn't toughening up either.

That being said, he is by far our best pnr defender. I am a huge Baynes fanboi but he does not have the skill in perimeter defense that Splitter does. Or running the pnr for that matter.

What I do know is that I never want to see the Diaw/Ayers, Diaw/Bonner, or heaven forbid Bonner/Ayers lineups again. I was hoping the turd towers were a thing of the past. Please let it be so.

i know splitter runs the pnr way better than baynes... i just think baynes should be a solid rotational player this year.. but he won't be.. he'll be behind splitter, bonner, and probably pendergraph too.

[ElNono]

Meh. Baynes is more than physical enough. He is still finding his way trying not foul and I think people make that into him being timid. That will come around but when he bodies up on the boards or crashes the offensive glass he is anything but soft.

He has a body to beast... semi-Shaq kind of beast. My main concern with him is not finishing strong. It's not something that cannot be corrected, but I'd like to see him more aggressive. He had a few layups blocked already. He can do better.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He has a body to beast... semi-Shaq kind of beast. My main concern with him is not finishing strong. It's not something that cannot be corrected, but I'd like to see him more aggressive. He had a few layups blocked already. He can do better.

Shaq had 40 lbs on him but I can see where a power dribble could be destructive.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i know splitter runs the pnr way better than baynes... i just think baynes should be a solid rotational player this year.. but he won't be.. he'll be behind splitter, bonner, and probably pendergraph too.

Baynes has been playing well the last few games. He was the first guy off the bench. Splitter eventually did overtake the scrubs and the people calling for Blair over Bonner do not deserve any attention.

I am no coach but even my meager view can tell that Ayers might as well not be there when folks are driving to the rim. I don't know why there is a presumption that Popovich won't start or play better players after he inserted Splitter into the starting lineup. Blair was terrible and had the bballl IQ of a turnip for all of his out of control spin moves. He never deserved playing time over Bonner after his rookie year.

Ayers has some skills but it's pretty obvious Baynes is playing better. He wsa rewarded by being the first off the bench tonight and did well. Diaw and Baynes functioned well. It wasn't until Ayers and Mills came in late int eh second quarter that the wheel fell off. Ayers seems to not mind watching guys make layups.

Bonner got 9 mins. I think the angst this year will be seeing Bonner getting garbage minutes over Ayers this season as long Baynes keeps showing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He'll never be a good rebounder or a dependable iso big. SA overpaid but they didn't want to risk losing the defensive presence he brings to the team.

You use Splitter in the post. He was getting his hook off easily against both Gasols, Speights, Haslem etc. He doesn't get overpowered in the post. He is no Chris Bosh but if you do switch him on a pnr he does an admirable job when isoed on guards like that. I am not sure what you mean.

He doesn't have a lot of core strength or 'bubble' like they call it in football so he has issues when people get under him when jockeying for position on rebounds but he is much better than he used to be. He is always going to have skinny hips.

[ElNono]

The other problem with Splitter is he's slow footed, but I think that's why Ayres was added... Matty used to be the go-to guy for matchups like that, but then you lose any kind of strength inside.

We'll see how things develop on that front.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Splitter will never mentally recover from the Finals. It's impossible to shake the soft label after the things that happened to him

[Johnny RIngo]

You use Splitter in the post. He was getting his hook off easily against both Gasols, Speights, Haslem etc. He doesn't get overpowered in the post. He is no Chris Bosh but if you do switch him on a pnr he does an admirable job when isoed on guards like that. I am not sure what you mean.

He doesn't have a lot of core strength or 'bubble' like they call it in football so he has issues when people get under him when jockeying for position on rebounds but he is much better than he used to be. He is always going to have skinny hips.

IIRC, he was pretty fucking terrible in a couple games that Duncan rested last year. I also remember Tiago being unwilling to score when they had Fisher on him a couple times against OKC in 2012

[Embedded]

Splitter on offense is deadly on the pick and roll. He led the entire league in field goal percentage for quite awhile, I believe.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

IIRC, he was pretty fucking terrible in a couple games that Duncan rested last year. I also remember Tiago being unwilling to score when they had Fisher on him a couple times against OKC in 2012

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He didn't suck those games. I honestly have no clue what you are talking about. It seems to me that you are still holding a grudge about the 2012 WCF. On those two plays he performed like shit.

He still can get shots out of the post against the guys that I just mentioned.

[TheyCallMePro]

I was extremely excited when we signed Baynes because I had watched him play for Australia during the Olympics and he was an absolute beast.

But with the Spurs he has looked confused and awkward from day one. On offense he's even harder to watch than Splitter. Defensively Splitter is MUCH better. I'm really getting tired of Baynes. I've seen him dominate and be a beast, but not with the Spurs. Not at all. Splitter disgusts me with his utter lack of being able to finish, but Baynes frustrates me with his utter lack of being able to understand the offense and be in position.

But I'm with you. I wish we could experiment with Baynes during the regular season in place of Splitter. But knowing Pop, this probably won't happen. We just paid Splitter, and Pop has always praised him. Baynes will have to impress in the limited minutes he gets to have a shot at the rotation.

[jeebus]

I was extremely excited when we signed Baynes because I had watched him play for Australia during the Olympics and he was an absolute beast.

But with the Spurs he has looked confused and awkward from day one. On offense he's even harder to watch than Splitter. Defensively Splitter is MUCH better. I'm really getting tired of Baynes. I've seen him dominate and be a beast, but not with the Spurs. Not at all. Splitter disgusts me with his utter lack of being able to finish, but Baynes frustrates me with his utter lack of being able to understand the offense and be in position.

But I'm with you. I wish we could experiment with Baynes during the regular season in place of Splitter. But knowing Pop, this probably won't happen. We just paid Splitter, and Pop has always praised him. Baynes will have to impress in the limited minutes he gets to have a shot at the rotation.
omg :lmao what an amazing read

[Boomersgold]

Splitter's superior in terms of his post game and his finesse, whilst Baynes is the more physical player, which gives him the edge over Splitter on rebounding and defense.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was extremely excited when we signed Baynes because I had watched him play for Australia during the Olympics and he was an absolute beast.

But with the Spurs he has looked confused and awkward from day one. On offense he's even harder to watch than Splitter. Defensively Splitter is MUCH better. I'm really getting tired of Baynes. I've seen him dominate and be a beast, but not with the Spurs. Not at all. Splitter disgusts me with his utter lack of being able to finish, but Baynes frustrates me with his utter lack of being able to understand the offense and be in position.

But I'm with you. I wish we could experiment with Baynes during the regular season in place of Splitter. But knowing Pop, this probably won't happen. We just paid Splitter, and Pop has always praised him. Baynes will have to impress in the limited minutes he gets to have a shot at the rotation.

Well someone hasn't watched the last several preseason games. He is improving game by game. He's hitting jumpers, making plays in the pnr, taking people off the dribble,scoring in transition and in the post. His rotations certainly could be crisper but he doesn't seem to brain fart out of them like he used to. The mental side is starting to come together. What he needs to adjust to is the speed of NBA guards driving to the basket. You can tell he is not used to guys getting their that quickly like Wade was able to do. He has to learn how to play within himself and not foul but that will likely come. He has shown he is phyiscally up to the task.

It's interesting your expectations. You have a guy come in in the middle of the season and hammer him to the wall because he looks lost? I certainly hope you never have to deal with children much less teach them.

And yes he is my brother. My brother in Baynes.

[Ice009]

They're both soft, but Baynes has a much more imposing body and a jumper. It's a long season, and they'll both be useful against different teams.

What are you basing Baynes' softness on? He'd rip both your arms off and shove them up your ass.

He might not use his physicality properly, but he doesn't look anywhere near as soft as Splitter out there.

[Sean Cagney]

Splitter will never mentally recover from the Finals. It's impossible to shake the soft label after the things that happened to him
If he is mentally soft as hell true, some are some are not. If he is ready to move forward he will be alright and get better, hope for the last part to be true.

[Sean Cagney]

Splitter's superior in terms of his post game and his finesse, whilst Baynes is the more physical player, which gives him the edge over Splitter on rebounding and defense.

YEP, and we have both on the team so that is a positive with those attributes.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What are you basing Baynes' softness on? He'd rip both your arms off and shove them up your ass.

He might not use his physicality properly, but he doesn't look anywhere near as soft as Splitter out there.

He is right in that Baynes needs to use the power dribble. He'd pinball people down low. A lot of that comes down to how much the refs let him get away with though.

[HarlemHeat37]

Preseason performance should be taken with a grain of salt, obviously, so I'll reserve judgment until the regular season, tbh..

Baynes looked like shit last year, tbh..he's huge and looked relatively athletic for his size, but very soft and uncoordinated..I'll give him a pass because he was thrown into the fire mid-season, in a complicated system, but there isn't much room left in the NBA for that type of player IMO, so the odds of becoming anything more than a decent 4th big are unlikely..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Preseason performance should be taken with a grain of salt, obviously, so I'll reserve judgment until the regular season, tbh..

Baynes looked like shit last year, tbh..he's huge and looked relatively athletic for his size, but very soft and uncoordinated..I'll give him a pass because he was thrown into the fire mid-season, in a complicated system, but there isn't much room left in the NBA for that type of player IMO, so the odds of becoming anything more than a decent 4th big are unlikely..

If you say so, but I have always held that a puppy has to bite before he can hunt. He be chompin.

[therealtruth]

The other problem with Splitter is he's slow footed, but I think that's why Ayres was added... Matty used to be the go-to guy for matchups like that, but then you lose any kind of strength inside.

We'll see how things develop on that front.

He's so slow. He's able to switch on to guards and still cause trouble for them.

[ElNono]

What are you basing Baynes' softness on? He'd rip both your arms off and shove them up your ass.

He might not use his physicality properly, but he doesn't look anywhere near as soft as Splitter out there.

Right now he looks like a finesse player... jumper, hook... He has the body to overpower people. He should be able to bang/box out/rebound almost at will (except perhaps against monkeyballers).

He's obviously new to this whole NBA thing, so there's a chance he's just happy to be here, and trying to fit in, but his aggression really needs to go up a few notches to be all he can be.

[ElNono]

He's so slow. He's able to switch on to guards and still cause trouble for them.

In what sense? He's a good rim protector, but as soon as he needs to chase anybody on the perimeter, Pop rather go small.

EDIT: Forgot about Diaw, that's been the other alternative.

[HI-FI]

I don't get the soft label either, dude grew up playing rugby before switching over to basketball. I don't think contact is the issue, he probably needs more minutes, which I think he will get this year.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The pick play that Memphis ran in the clincher against us was a switch where Splitter had to change direction 180 degrees and keep Conley, who had a full head of steam coming off that double screen on the weakside, away from the basket. Splitter absolutely smothered that play. He didn't shut down Westbrook on switches but he pretty fleet of foot on the perimeter. He is certainly better than most starting 4s and 5s at it.

I guess you want someone else to chase the Ryans Andersens of the world? I think that has more to do with discipline and experience than it does ability.

[r0drig0lac]

independent of everything that has already been said here, I think splitter had to be a gym rat, and increasingly strengthen if his specialty and his defense, he has to be the strongest

[hyhy]

Splitter has been proven to not be able to play against the heat. Why not try develop baynes over the season so that we have him experienced enough to fight the heat, since ultimately we have to anyway?

[dbestpro]

Pre season has shown that Baynes and Splitter will make a very nice combo for the center role. Ayers has not impressed and is either a bad signing or has a long ways to go. Manu is as out of control as ever, and we have three allstar backup PGs............for the D-League. Unfortunately, none of three, on most nights will be better than the back up PG on the other team at the NBA level.

[Vash StampedE]

From what I've seen between the two players in a game or two of the preseason, Splitter is still the better fit to play alongside Duncan. I think it was the Atlanta game where Splitter played, passed well.

[spurraider21]

Splitter is still better defensively, and I'd trust him more late in games to not make a mistake. I'm a fan of Baynes and I hope we see him make strides to crack the rotation. A big athletic dude like that can always be handy

[ElNono]

I guess you want someone else to chase the Ryans Andersens of the world? I think that has more to do with discipline and experience than it does ability.

It's not what I want or don't want. I like Splitter and I think he's a huge improvement over, say, pairing Bonner with Tim. There's simply good and bad matchups for him (as there is for every player), and I think the Spurs do have the diversity with bigs now to address that, especially since Diaw was added.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's not what I want or don't want. I like Splitter and I think he's a huge improvement over, say, pairing Bonner with Tim. There's simply good and bad matchups for him (as there is for every player), and I think the Spurs do have the diversity with bigs now to address that, especially since Diaw was added.

Of course. Certainly makes sense with both guys having more than a year in the Spurs system you can afford to play all of them. Corporate knowledge and all that. I still would like one of Splitter, Duncan or Baynes on the floor at all times.

[benfti]

Call me crazy, but I think we are seeing the benefits with Baynes having the chance to go through camp and not join the team mid season

[ace3g]

One thing I've noticed is that Baynes passing is crisper/smoother now compared to last season.

[look_at_g_shred]

Cool ur jets OP.