LOL Obamacare website

[cheguevara]

:lmao I tried to sign up and couldn't get past the Please Wait :lol

after hours finally was able to sign up and before going to the marketplace it's asking me for all my personal info. I tried to enter it and already failed couple of times.

fuck it. at least Obama will postpone the penalties until they fix the website, which could be months :lmao

http://www.1800politics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/404-Error.jpg

[cheguevara]

Consumer Reports rates Obamacare website as "Avoid/Stay Away!" :lmao

http://www.1800politics.com/consumer-reports-rates-obamacare-website-stay-away/

you just can't make this shit up :rollin

[cheguevara]

Apparently some solutions provided by the Obamacare website admins include:

- Come back when traffic slows down
- Clear out your cookies
- It's probably the Javascript, try a different computer
- Are you using Windows ME?

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao what an epic failure. Terrible, terrible execution.

[cheguevara]

Hope and Change

Hope you can log in to our website

otherwise, Change your computer


:lol

[Clipper Nation]

:lol I still can't believe people thought out-of-touch suits in Washington would do a better job at this than out-of-touch suits at private healthcare providers!

[Wild Cobra]

:lol I still can't believe people thought out-of-touch suits in Washington would do a better job at this than out-of-touch suits at private healthcare providers!
LOL...

Sad, but true.

At least our out of touch private healthcare providers are closer to us than the one-size-fits-all government stupidity.

[cheguevara]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/131018174011-obamacare-error-message-620xa.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3776/10406475225_81fb89a5de_b.jpg

http://libertyunyielding.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Health-care-enrollment-funnel.jpg

:lol :lol :lol

[AntiChrist]

It's just crashing because it's so popular.

Sincerely,

boutons and Jay Carney

[CosmicCowboy]

The personal info part is the real bullshit part of the website. You have to enter ALL of your personal data before (assuming the site works as it's supposed to) it gives you prices and options. That is totally ass backwards from what people are accustomed to, but that is classic big government think. Can you imagine if private enterprise worked like that? Imagine if you couldn't shop at ebay or Amazon without giving up ALL your personal information...people would have said "fuck you!" and neither one would exist today...

[AntiChrist]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3776/10406475225_81fb89a5de_b.jpg



:lol :lol :lol


:lmao "Okuna My Data!" :lmao

[cheguevara]

The personal info part is the real bullshit part of the website. You have to enter ALL of your personal data before (assuming the site works as it's supposed to) it gives you prices and options. That is totally ass backwards from what people are accustomed to, but that is classic big government think. Can you imagine if private enterprise worked like that? Imagine if you couldn't shop at ebay or Amazon without giving up ALL your personal information...people would have said "fuck you!" and neither one would exist today...

I am living witness that this system main decision makers have ZERO, absolutely ZERO experience in mass consumer or commercial web sites like this one. I actually tried to sign up to see if all this is true.

And this point you make is what discouraged me. First of I am very careful to enter any of my info on ANY website (goverment or not), if they are having so many glitches, who knows if it is secure or not? I agree it is totally ass backwards. You most definitely should be able to see some rates without entering all your info to get an idea.

For christ sakes banking loan rate web sites give tons of info without even signing in! they have been doing it for decades!

and you are telling me we now have to go back to circa 1980s type of system and enter ALL our data beforehand?

holy fucking shit what an epic failure

and again, I am living witness most of the decision makers on this project were merely web admins who were promoted to "system engineers" "experts" and "overseers" of this debacle of a project

[Chief Brody]

:lolwhat a clusterfuck

[cheguevara]

Has Obama used the word "Javascript" yet?

I can't wait for the moment he does. When us technicians use that word on our users, it means we have exhausted on all possibilities and are just giving up and blaming it on your web browser. It's basically a big fuck you to the entire user sphere :lmao :lmao

someone please tell me once Obama or his spokesman use the word "javascript". Remember well, when they use the word "javascript" it basically translates to "you're fucked" :lol :lol

[cheguevara]

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/20/no-more-apologies-why-obama-has-to-get-mad-about-his-broken-obamacare-websites/#ixzz2iUko67dM
When the Obamacare website debuted on Oct. 1, Barack Obama walked into the Rose Garden and compared it to Amazon.com, Kayak.com and the iPhone. Unlike those operated by the other three, the Affordable Care Act portals to buy insurance were not working that day — but the President explained that the “glitches” had to do with traffic that “exceeds anything that we had expected.” Five days later, when asked about the continued problems, he told the Associated Press, “It is true that what’s happened is the website got overwhelmed by the volume.”

"the iphone" he compared it to the iphone :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Probably designed and run by a bunch of Apeffirmative axe'tion n!ggers like Osambo tbh

[m>s]

O'n!gger care was a flop from the start, everyone who supported this shit should be hung by their dicks

[DMX7]

O'n!gger care was a flop from the start, everyone who supported this shit should be hung by their dicks

Racist!

[m>s]

i'll gladly take that loss and be a "racist" if it would make on!gger care go away and die

lol trying to force me to purchase a product sold by your insurance buddies, go to hell

[cheguevara]

not that it really matters

but sadly, the people responsible for the Obamacare website disaster are over 90% white

sorry to inform you the biggest money whores and incompetents involved in this project are of the white race

[m>s]

that's because they're communists, during the takeover they'll need to be executed too

[cheguevara]

that's because they're communists, during the takeover they'll need to be executed too

:lol what takeover?

you seriously think the Aryan Nation has a chance to take anything over from a united front of Bloods, Crips, MS13ers and Zulu Nationals? :lol

[lefty]

:lol CGI
:lol Montreal based company

[m>s]

:lol what takeover?

you seriously think the Aryan Nation has a chance to take anything over from a united front of Bloods, Crips, MS13ers and Zulu Nationals? :lol


what makes you think a rag tag collection of dumb n!ggers and be@ners has any real power? whenever shit pops off dude those guys will get systematically dismantled if they even dare to get in the way. they have no real training or organization.

[cheguevara]

what makes you think a rag tag collection of dumb n!ggers and be@ners has any real power? whenever shit pops off dude those guys will get systematically dismantled if they even dare to get in the way. they have no real training or organization.

disagree.

The organization and experience of the MS13ers, Bloods and Crips would shine. The Zulu Nationals would just make it more fun and worthwhile. Not to mention at any sight of a power struggle within the US, Prince Bandar Bush Bin Satan and the Saudi Kings would unleash their hordes of jihadi barbarians on all US bases overseas.

Not to mention the Zetas and other mexican cartels would get in for some piece of the action. Not to mention now over 50% of the US armed forces are of minority descents.

sorry to say, but the losers in the end will be the white race if there was any kind of violent power struggle here.

[m>s]

oh i just realized you were talking about dumbass prison gangs, those guys are n!ggers too they're not real national socialists

[m>s]

sorry to say, but the losers in the end will be the white race if there was any kind of violent power struggle here.

lol now that's just comical. we are 100million plus armed american citizens, who will have the backing of a great many of our military and police. street gangs pose no real threat and couldn't ever take over a country dude, grow up.

[cheguevara]

oh and I forgot. You would piss of the most mighty of the might, the Jewish empire. good luck with that :lol

[cheguevara]

sorry to say, but the losers in the end will be the white race if there was any kind of violent power struggle here.

lol now that's just comical. we are 100million plus armed american citizens, who will have the backing of a great many of our military and police. street gangs pose no real threat and couldn't ever take over a country dude, grow up.

let me get this straight. So street gangs taking over the government is a comical theory, but hordes of armed overweight football watching moms and pops taking over the government isn't???

:lmao

[SA210]

It's just crashing because it's so popular.

Sincerely,

boutons and Jay Carney

same person

[SA210]

Apparently some solutions provided by the Obamacare website admins include:

- Come back when traffic slows down
- Clear out your cookies
- It's probably the Javascript, try a different computer
- Are you using Windows ME?

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao what an epic failure. Terrible, terrible execution.


:lmao:lmao:rollin

[SA210]

.

Jon Stewart Delivers Blistering Takedown of Obamacare Rollout: Dems Can't 'Spin This Turd"



October 21, 2013 - After the government shutdown, Jon Stewart said all Democrats had to do to regain political footing was "a mildly competent implementation" of the health care policy they'd been touting for three years, and somehow they managed to screw it up royally, leaving Stewart to tear into President Obama and the Democrats for failing to "spin this turd."

Stewart was utterly befuddled at how buggy the Obamacare site is being. It's so bad, even the calculator doesn't work. Stewart said normally websites are set up so it's "nearly impossible to not sign up for something," but somehow the Obama administration managed to fumble at every turn.

He even had some choice words for Obama for defending the "product" of health care and saying that despite the massive number of people who haven't been able to sign up, a teeny tiny bunch of other people managed to pull it off.

Stewart sent John Oliver to sign up for the health care law, but for some reason he got trapped inside the computer and chased around by Pac-Man instead.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qtx_ZcHOjw




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[DMX7]

As ususal, SA210 wants to score Red Team points at the cost of American's getting access to affordable health care. Sad what you've become. How can you look at yourself in the mirror?

[SA210]

As ususal, SA210 wants to score Red Team points at the cost of American's getting access to affordable health care. Sad what you've become. How can you look at yourself in the mirror?

Easy..I know that I'm not red team or blue team and I can think for myself. I know the truth that mandating people who dont want or need or even those that can't afford that bogus coverage to buy it.. is pretty stupid. But blue team told you to support it, so I guess you're doing your job as a sheep :tu lol

[Clipper Nation]

As ususal, SA210 wants to score Red Team points at the cost of American's getting access to affordable health care.
:lol What access? Nobody can get on because the website is so shitty.... just imagine how horrible the service will be if people actually get to sign up for it!

[ElNono]

The flipside is they can't charge you the BS penalty until they fix this shit... let's hope lefty's cousin takes a while polishing that turd...

[MannyIsGod]

The personal info part is the real bullshit part of the website. You have to enter ALL of your personal data before (assuming the site works as it's supposed to) it gives you prices and options. That is totally ass backwards from what people are accustomed to, but that is classic big government think. Can you imagine if private enterprise worked like that? Imagine if you couldn't shop at ebay or Amazon without giving up ALL your personal information...people would have said "fuck you!" and neither one would exist today...

Are you really comparing health insurance to Amazon? When you buy something at Amazon you pay the same price as everyone else and the government doesn't subsidize part of it.

I'm not defending the website's problems but there's obvious reasons they need your personal info for a quote. You can look up the premiums on the web without going through the site, though.

[ElNono]

:lol it's the same personal info you're handing the IRS with your tax return, who coincidentally is in charge of handling with the subsidies/penalty.

[DMX7]

:lol What access? Nobody can get on because the website is so shitty.... just imagine how horrible the service will be if people actually get to sign up for it!

That's some flawed logic. The coverage will be bad because the website servers haven't launched well?

[Clipper Nation]

That's some flawed logic. The coverage will be bad because the website servers haven't launched well?

So we're just automatically going to trust the same people who can't come out with a simple website that allows people to log in, displays the proper data, has a working calculator, and records users' information correctly to handle the rest of this healthcare program? The same people who have kept other simple tasks like paying taxes or doing basically anything at the DMV as archaic and inefficient as possible? :lol

Not to mention, step 1 was having a proper website in place - if they're going to fine people for not having government healthcare, the least they could do is get step 1 right first....

[Cry Havoc]

So we're just automatically going to trust the same people who can't come out with a simple website that allows people to log in, displays the proper data, has a working calculator, and records users' information correctly to handle the rest of this healthcare program? The same people who have kept other simple tasks like paying taxes or doing basically anything at the DMV as archaic and inefficient as possible? :lol

Not to mention, step 1 was having a proper website in place - if they're going to fine people for not having government healthcare, the least they could do is get step 1 right first....

Will I trust competition and standards for care/cost over private monopolistic insurance companies that have no checks in place for charging $200 for a $3 pill, and $100k for an $8k procedure?

100%. Absolutely.

[SA210]

That's some flawed logic. The coverage will be bad because the website servers haven't launched well?

No it will be bad bc the same government that is stupidly mandating Health Care (Sick Care) coverage to those that don't want or need it.. is the same government that told you that pizza is a vegetable :lmao:rollin

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/202/100/wJdTx.png?1321638313

[Clipper Nation]

Will I trust competition and standards for care/cost over private monopolistic insurance companies that have no checks in place for charging $200 for a $3 pill, and $100k for an $8k procedure?

100%. Absolutely.
lol standards

Since they clearly didn't have good enough standards for the quality of their website or the company they hired to put it together, which should be the simplest part of the entire program, how can anyone trust the government's standards for the rest of the program?

[Cry Havoc]

lol standards

Since they clearly didn't have good enough standards for the quality of their website or the company they hired to put it together, which should be the simplest part of the entire program, how can anyone trust the government's standards for the rest of the program?

False equivalence. Just because the website has some initial issues doesn't mean the coverage will be poor. Of course it's going to be a rocky start getting millions of people signed up for insurance. Not an excuse, but come on, this process is gargantuan and extremely difficult/tedious. Talk to doctors in the profession. Seriously. Talk to them. Ask them what they think. I personally know two ER doctors and they are both raving about the potential for The AFA to change the system in place, because they deal on a DAILY basis with how fucking BROKEN it is.

Right now, we have a bad system. Even if this isn't the perfect solution, it's an attempt at a solution, which is better than what we currently have in place. Unless you like paying for Joe Schmoe's $80,000 ER bill for 4 days because he fell off a rail while skateboarding with no insurance?

[MannyIsGod]

So we're just automatically going to trust the same people who can't come out with a simple website that allows people to log in, displays the proper data, has a working calculator, and records users' information correctly to handle the rest of this healthcare program? The same people who have kept other simple tasks like paying taxes or doing basically anything at the DMV as archaic and inefficient as possible? :lol

Not to mention, step 1 was having a proper website in place - if they're going to fine people for not having government healthcare, the least they could do is get step 1 right first....

You're obviously not very familiar with insurance companies. They can screw things up just as much - if not more - as the government.

[SA210]

Unless you like paying for Joe Schmoe's $80,000 ER bill for 4 days because he fell off a rail while skateboarding with no insurance?

This bothers me more tbh


Every hour, taxpayers in the United States are paying
$11.26 million for Total Cost of Wars

[Clipper Nation]

You're obviously not very familiar with insurance companies. They can screw things up just as much - if not more - as the government.
Nobody's denying that insurance companies can and do screw up, but from all the hype about this plan and how hard the Democrats fought for it, pulling out the "but the private companies screw up too!" excuse already is pretty pathetic, tbh.... I guess we'll have to see how it all shakes out once people are finally able to sign up, but going from past history and how the government's already bungled the easiest part of the program, I have my doubts....

[Nbadan]

Right now, we have a bad system. Even if this isn't the perfect solution, it's an attempt at a solution, which is better than what we currently have in place. Unless you like paying for Joe Schmoe's $80,000 ER bill for 4 days because he fell off a rail while skateboarding with no insurance?

It's homeowners who are footing the majority of that bill... anyway.anyone remember when the GOP was about personal responsibility? Here is a shitty attempt to hold reckless people a little responsible for their own bad health and all the GOP whines about is that these people, who they detest otherwise, are being called out

[MannyIsGod]

Nobody's denying that insurance companies can and do screw up, but from all the hype about this plan and how hard the Democrats fought for it, pulling out the "but the private companies screw up too!" excuse already is pretty pathetic, tbh.... I guess we'll have to see how it all shakes out once people are finally able to sign up, but going from past history and how the government's already bungled the easiest part of the program, I have my doubts....

Its not like Congressmen are coding the website. It was a private company that fucked this up. The website is totally fucked and I get why its a huge PR nightmare but its a pretty stupid way to judge the program, IMO. The program WILL have problems but I don't see what a shitty website has to do with that.

[SA210]

Here is a shitty attempt to hold reckless people a little responsible for their own bad health

But I don't have bad health, why do I have to purchase it?

[Nbadan]

But I don't have bad health, why do I have to purchase it?

Cause you never know brother....besides, odds are you already have insurance, a bonus for you because insurance companies can't deny you coverage or cap your benefits.. in the long run private companies will have to open their restricted markets and the free market will price insurance at more competitive rates.

[SA210]

Cause you never know brother....besides, odds are you already have insurance, a bonus for you because insurance companies can't deny you coverage or cap your benefits.. in the long run private companies will have to open their restricted markets and the free market will price insurance at more competitive rates.


I don't mind a sick care bill for people that want it and need it, especially the poor and elderly, but it's wrong to force it on people. People should be able to sign up for it if they want it, as well as not sign up if they don't want it. My main issue is the mandate (forcing even people who don't believe in that kind of healthcare, why should they be forced to care for their own health the way the govt deems necessary?) and this is helping the insurance companies. My healthcare is my diet and nutrition. More people should be taught or more info should be commonly spread about preventative care thru diet and nutrition, instead of suppressed the way they do (because sick care is a big business). If that were seriously taught in med school and elsewhere, millions wouldn't need sick care as much. GMO's, processed foods, pesticides, dangerous FDA approved drugs that dont heal and only mask problems..those are some of the many reasons why people are really sick. Most people don't even think of this when debating sick care..but it's important and should be part of it. Problem solved for many people if attention was given to holistic, alternative and preventative care. Then also offer a plan that people can choose if they wish.

This crap right here is bogus. Mandates that condition the American people to accept more stupid mandates in the future, like rfid chips and all kinds of crap. Civil liberties down the drain, more and more tbh.

[angrydude]

There is no free market in health care.

[Nbadan]

Mandates that condition the American people to accept more stupid mandates in the future, like rfid chips

Not a bad post until you went conspiracy theory...the mandate only applies to people who can afford to pay some insurance but refuse to do so or no private insurance is available through their job...I'm for single payer, but I also pay thousands in taxes to the county....i want to know that everybody has some skin in both the costs and the responsibility of their own health

[SA210]

Not a bad post until you went conspiracy theory...the mandate only applies to people who can afford to pay some insurance but refuse to do so or no private insurance is available through their job...I'm for single payer, but I also pay thousands in taxes to the county....i want to know that everybody has some skin in both the costs and the responsibility of their own health


:lol My post was all good..not conspiracy theory. It's true. Mandates like that which shouldnt exist make it easier for more in the future to be accepted. But back to mandating...it shouldnt be forced on someone just bc they can afford it. Some people don't treat their sicknesses in that manner and are successful at being healthy with their natural approach (which should be more commonly accepted for people to practice)..therefore they shouldn't be forced to buy insurance they dont use, want or need. Who does the government think they are to tell me I have to take care of my health the way THEY say?? That's ridiculous, and its not Freedom.

[Nbadan]

Some people don't treat their sicknesses in that manner and are successful at being healthy with their natural approach (which should be more commonly accepted for people to practice)..therefore they shouldn't be forced to buy insurance they dont use, want or need.


Accidents happen...and then I and all Texas homeowners have to foot the bill..how is that fair? Why do I get to pay for someone else irresponsibility? Especially when they can afford to foot some of the bill themselves...

[Nbadan]

:lol GOP


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maa87MA7dxI#t=166

[SA210]

Accidents happen...and then I and all Texas homeowners have to foot the bill..how is that fair? Why do I get to pay for someone else irresponsibility?

Accidents happen, that's life. Doesn't mean every living American should be required to buy insurance (if they arent covered some other way). Even Obama was against mandates, he campaigned on it in 08. Why don't we just stop funding wars with billions and billions of dollars and make some REAL defense cuts and just use that money for healthcare instead actually making everyone sign up for sick coverage they really dont need or want? I'd be more in favor of that.

And back to preventative care..we are wasting and will be wasting billions when millions of people can prevent being sick to begin with through some of the education and methods that I mentioned earlier. A lot of sickness is actually completely unnecessary. This whole healthcare debate as we commonly know it is 100% completely ass backwards when it comes to a persons real healthcare. What we are talking about is Sick care, they just call it healthcare. Millions and millions of people can be less sick. But big pharma, FDA, insurance companies, cancer business, sick business dollars would plummet. We are not looking at "Healthcare" the right way. And noone in govt has the balls to bring this to light. And too many Americans are brainwashed into thinking they are tylenol deficient rather than vitamin and nutrient deficient, etc. Just give people their nyquil, tylenol, antibiotics, vaccines, etc and not even teach them why they really got sick to begin with. Amazing. That is the biggest problem with healthcare, period, And nobody is talking about it.

[cheguevara]

Are you really comparing health insurance to Amazon? When you buy something at Amazon you pay the same price as everyone else and the government doesn't subsidize part of it.

I'm not defending the website's problems but there's obvious reasons they need your personal info for a quote. You can look up the premiums on the web without going through the site, though.

:lmao it's Obama who compared it to Amazon.com, Kayak.com and the Iphone :lol

:lol webmaster in chief

[cheguevara]

:lol never thought I'd see the day when an American president's excuse for failing is due to "the bad javascripts" and suggest the solution to the healthcare problems of the 50 million uninsured is to "clean out their cookies" :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

Bottom line is they have had three years to get ready for this and have failed miserably.

Funny, IMHO even their basic premise of using a website as the only portal of entry is flawed.

One of my customers recently mandated that all people that worked there had to go through security background checks. They chose a third party internet based vendor to do the background checks. Because of privacy issues they have to communicate directly with my employees. The problem? Literally 50% of my technicians not only weren't computer literate, they didn't even have e-mail accounts. These are smart guys making 50K+ a year...I had to make dummy email accounts for them to get them signed up. How are people like this going to navigate a buggy, cumbersome ACA website?

[AntiChrist]

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[boutons_deux]

"using a website as the only portal of entry is flawed."

for the computer illiterate/unconnected or frustrated/desperate, there are alternate paths of telephone to govt/exchange people or you can shop directly online or by phone at the insurers.

The states that run their own exchanges are doing pretty damn well, as are the GOVERNMENT Medicaid-expansion signups.

healthcare.gov was partly, perhaps mainly, sabotaged by the Repug states refusing to run set up their own exchanges, dumping Ms of people onto healthcare.gov. (I'm not excusing healthcare.gov) Of course, VRWC JINO SCOTUS enabled that disaster by letting the states opt out.

None of you Repugs bitched about the huge startup problems of the Repug-corporate-welfare programs of Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D (doughnut hole!).

[angrydude]

None of you Repugs bitched about the huge startup problems of the Repug-corporate-welfare programs of Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D (doughnut hole!).


That's because you don't get fined for not signing up for those on a website that doesn't work

[AntiChrist]

for the computer illiterate/unconnected or frustrated/desperate, there are alternate paths of telephone to govt/exchange people or you can shop directly online or by phone at the insurers.


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[boutons_deux]

That's because you don't get fined for not signing up for those on a website that doesn't work

:lol I'm not an ignorant Fox viewer sucking down such bullshit as yours as the Bible truth.

[Creepn]

So we're just automatically going to trust the same people who can't come out with a simple website that allows people to log in, displays the proper data, has a working calculator, and records users' information correctly to handle the rest of this healthcare program? The same people who have kept other simple tasks like paying taxes or doing basically anything at the DMV as archaic and inefficient as possible? :lol

Not to mention, step 1 was having a proper website in place - if they're going to fine people for not having government healthcare, the least they could do is get step 1 right first....

I didn't know webmasters we're the ones handling all of this healthcare stuff wow! I thought they just build websites. Do they have seats?

[SA210]

:lmao it's Obama who compared it to Amazon.com, Kayak.com and the Iphone :lol

:lol webmaster in chief


:lol javascripts

:lol overload

[Cry Havoc]

Accidents happen, that's life. Doesn't mean every living American should be required to buy insurance (if they arent covered some other way). Even Obama was against mandates, he campaigned on it in 08. Why don't we just stop funding wars with billions and billions of dollars and make some REAL defense cuts and just use that money for healthcare instead actually making everyone sign up for sick coverage they really dont need or want? I'd be more in favor of that.

And back to preventative care..we are wasting and will be wasting billions when millions of people can prevent being sick to begin with through some of the education and methods that I mentioned earlier. A lot of sickness is actually completely unnecessary. This whole healthcare debate as we commonly know it is 100% completely ass backwards when it comes to a persons real healthcare. What we are talking about is Sick care, they just call it healthcare. Millions and millions of people can be less sick. But big pharma, FDA, insurance companies, cancer business, sick business dollars would plummet. We are not looking at "Healthcare" the right way. And noone in govt has the balls to bring this to light. And too many Americans are brainwashed into thinking they are tylenol deficient rather than vitamin and nutrient deficient, etc. Just give people their nyquil, tylenol, antibiotics, vaccines, etc and not even teach them why they really got sick to begin with. Amazing. That is the biggest problem with healthcare, period, And nobody is talking about it.

But that makes no sense. A lot of people aren't going to want to sign up/pay for healthcare. Guess what? When they get seriously injured or incredibly sick, and can't afford to pay for it, and go to the ER, YOU STILL GET STUCK WITH THE BILL.

What is so damn hard to understand about that? Every other technologically advanced country in the WORLD has figured this out, and they have lower health care costs than we do.

qSjGouBmo0M

Educate yourself.

[SA210]

But that makes no sense. A lot of people aren't going to want to sign up/pay for healthcare. Guess what? When they get seriously injured or incredibly sick, and can't afford to pay for it, and go to the ER, YOU STILL GET STUCK WITH THE BILL.

What is so damn hard to understand about that? Every other technologically advanced country in the WORLD has figured this out, and they have lower health care costs than we do.

qSjGouBmo0M

Educate yourself.


Accidents shouldn't require me to purchase healthcare as the govt sees fit. You wanna stop waste and burdens, stop the wars and invading countries and throw that money toward healthcare. Many countries have figured that out.

Educate yourself, tbh.

[boutons_deux]

EMTALA's effect

Improved health services for uninsured

The most significant effect is that, regardless of insurance status, participating hospitals cannot deny urgent medical assistance. Currently EMTALA only requires that hospitals stabilize the emergency. According to some analyses of the U.S. health care safety net (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_net), EMTALA is an incomplete and strained program.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act#c ite_note-10)[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act#c ite_note-11)
Cost pressures on hospitals

According to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, 55% of U.S. emergency care now goes uncompensated.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act#c ite_note-ACEP-12) When medical bills go unpaid, health care providers must either shift the costs onto those who can pay or go uncompensated. In the first decade of EMTALA, such cost-shifting amounted to a hidden tax levied by providers.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act#c ite_note-Harbage-13) For example, it has been estimated that this cost shifting amounted to $455 per individual or $1,186 per family in California each year.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act#c ite_note-Harbage-13)

However, because of the recent influence of managed care (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_care) and other cost control initiatives by insurance companies, hospitals are less able to shift costs, and end up writing off more in uncompensated care. The amount of uncompensated care delivered by nonfederal community hospitals grew from $6.1 billion in 1983 to $40.7 billion in 2004, according to a 2004 report from the

Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured,[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act#c ite_note-ACEP-12) but it is unclear what percentage of this was emergency care and therefore attributable to EMTALA.

Financial pressures on hospitals in the 20 years since EMTALA's passage have caused them to consolidate and close facilities, contributing to emergency room overcrowding.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]

According to the Institute of Medicine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Medicine), between 1993 and 2003, emergency room visits in the U.S. grew by 26 percent, while in the same period, the number of emergency departments declined by 425.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act#c ite_note-IOM_fact_sheet-14) Ambulances are frequently diverted from overcrowded emergency departments to other hospitals that may be farther away. In 2003, ambulances were diverted over a half a million times, not necessarily due to patients' inability to pay.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act#c ite_note-IOM_fact_sheet-14)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act

=====================

old, but without doubt much yearly and by now:

The Uninsured: Access to Medical Care

(http://web.archive.org/web/20090116041157/http://www.acep.org/patients.aspx?id=25932)

Q.
Who are America's uninsured?




A.
Nearly 46 million Americans are uninsured in the United States. More than 8.3 million of the uninsured are children. More than 8 out of 10 uninsured persons are in working families that cannot afford health insurance, and most are not eligible for public programs.


83 percent of the uninsured are in working families
62.1 percent live in households with a full-time worker and 21.3 percent with a part-time worker
17.8 percent of non-elderly Americans are uninsured
21.2 percent of African-Americans are uninsured
34.3 percent of Hispanics are uninsured





Q.
What are the costs of providing health care to the uninsured?



A.
A. Hospitals and physicians shoulder the financial burden for the uninsured by incurring billions of dollars in bad debt or "uncompensated care" each year. Fifty-five percent of emergency care goes uncompensated, according to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services The amount of uncompensated care delivered by nonfederal community hospitals grew from 6.1 billion in 1983 to 40.7 billion in 2004, according to a 2004 report from the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured.
In the past, hospitals shifted uncompensated care costs to insured patients to make up the difference. However, cost shifting no longer is a viable option because managed care and other health plans have instituted strict price controls, leaving little margin to shift costs. More than one-third of emergency physicians lose an average of $138,300 each year from EMTALA-related bad debt, according to a May 2003 American Medical Association study. Emergency physicians and other specialists combined lost $4.2 billion in revenue in 2001 providing care mandated by EMTALA.

With projections that health care costs will double and the number of uninsured will increase to 53 million by the year 2007, the nation is faced with how it will continue to provide care for all Americans, not just the disadvantaged. Emergency departments provide an essential community service, similar to fire departments, police departments, and public utilities. The nation cannot afford to allow the emergency care system to collapse because of a lack of funding. It is too high a price to pay in terms of public health effects and human suffering.





(http://web.archive.org/web/20090116041157/http://www.acep.org/patients.aspx?id=25932)
http://web.archive.org/web/20090116041157/http://www.acep.org/patients.aspx?id=25932 (http://web.archive.org/web/20090116041157/http://www.acep.org/patients.aspx?id=25932)

[angrydude]

:lol I'm not an ignorant Fox viewer sucking down such bullshit as yours as the Bible truth.

Relevance?

[hitmanyr2k]

But that makes no sense. A lot of people aren't going to want to sign up/pay for healthcare. Guess what? When they get seriously injured or incredibly sick, and can't afford to pay for it, and go to the ER, YOU STILL GET STUCK WITH THE BILL.

What is so damn hard to understand about that? Every other technologically advanced country in the WORLD has figured this out, and they have lower health care costs than we do.

qSjGouBmo0M



Those problems won't ever get fixed in this country. Americans are too stupid. There are too many knuckle-draggers that start screaming "socialism" and "death panels" when real healthcare debate happens.

[cheguevara]

Accidents shouldn't require me to purchase healthcare as the govt sees fit. You wanna stop waste and burdens, stop the wars and invading countries and throw that money toward healthcare. Many countries have figured that out.

Educate yourself, tbh.

good point. Many countries in the world provide full coverage for accidents to EVERYONE including visi'tors. The US health system is so fucked up, they can't even afford to do that. I still hope they can somehow fix Obamacare and have it functioning to help people but I have my doubts and would not bet $5 on it.

[cheguevara]

[COLOR=#000000]"using a website as the only portal of entry is flawed."

for the computer illiterate/unconnected or frustrated/desperate, there are alternate paths of telephone to govt/exchange people or you can shop directly online or by phone at the insurers.

this is bullshit. The whole idea of the "healthcare marketplace" was for individuals to shop/compare/browse for their best priced health plan. How in the world can that be possible over the phone? There would have to be some kind of army "health insurance agents" created that would answer the phones and do this for you. As far as I know, no such individuals exist. Even if these "health care agents" existed, THEY STILL NEED A FUNCTIONING WEBSITE OR SYSTEM TO LOOK FOR PLANS AND SIGN THEIR CUSTOMERS TO THEM!

as someone else said, they made this "online marketplace" one of the cornerstones of Obamacare. Once they did this, a failure on that, and the entire system is failed. I still hope somehow they can fix it.

[Cry Havoc]

Accidents shouldn't require me to purchase healthcare as the govt sees fit.

You completely miss the point. Not shocking.


You wanna stop waste and burdens, stop the wars and invading countries and throw that money toward healthcare. Many countries have figured that out.

First of all, of course our military spending needs to come down. That goes without saying. But why do you think just throwing MORE money at a broken system will help ANYTHING? We already spend more than any other nation on healthcare, and the US CLEARLY gets less out of the money we spend. So what, exactly, would throwing another trillion dollars at the problem change? Serious question, and I'd like you to answer it.

[SA210]

You completely miss the point. Not shocking.



First of all, of course our military spending needs to come down. That goes without saying. But why do you think just throwing MORE money at a broken system will help ANYTHING? We already spend more than any other nation on healthcare, and the US CLEARLY gets less out of the money we spend. So what, exactly, would throwing another trillion dollars at the problem change? Serious question, and I'd like you to answer it.

I didn't miss your point, I just think you are missing mine. And I never said that would fix it all. I have been very clear on what I think is the biggest problem with "Healthcare" in America, those things I mentioned, which is true preventative care knowledge and practice, then healthcare will never be close to ever being fixed if that is never addressed and accepted, instead of suppressed to help out big pharma. That's what noone is talking about. But yea, cutting defense spending and ending wars can help on covering those that want and need coverage. But there is much more to fix healthcare in the USA..and thats with our food supply, the many overly used unnecessary medications, lack of real nutrition and other alternative methods that are suppressed. Prevention and stronger immune systems are the best way to make a huge impact. That would cut costs in a major way for people, but that would cut into insurance companies and pharma profits, so lets all ignore the truth and lets all pretend that we all have to be as sick as we are and pay for crap we dont need, bc elections must be won and cronies must get richer.

[Cry Havoc]

I didn't miss your point, I just think you are missing mine. And I never said that would fix it all. I have been very clear on what I think is the biggest problem with "Healthcare" in America, those things I mentioned, which is true preventative care knowledge and practice, then healthcare will never be close to ever being fixed if that is never addressed and accepted, instead of suppressed to help out big pharma. That's what noone is talking about. But yea, cutting defense spending and ending wars can help on covering those that want and need coverage. But there is much more to fix healthcare in the USA..and thats with our food supply, the many overly used unnecessary medications, lack of real nutrition and other alternative methods that are suppressed. Prevention and stronger immune systems are the best way to make a huge impact. That would cut costs in a major way for people, but that would cut into insurance companies and pharma profits, so lets all ignore the truth and lets all pretend that we all have to be as sick as we are and pay for crap we dont need, bc elections must be won and cronies must get richer.

You definitely didn't watch the video. No worries. Just keep assuring yourself that it's exactly how you see it and not a bit more complex than that.

[SA210]

You definitely didn't watch the video. No worries. Just keep assuring yourself that it's exactly how you see it and not a bit more complex than that.

Actually its quite simple. Millions can prevent most sicknesses, and thats the main problem. There wouldn't be as much burden to cover emergencies if that whole other problem was taken care of. But there is no money in less people being sick. You aren't understanding that. Keep assuring yourself though that it's so difficult.

[hater]

:lmao Obama probly grabbed $398 million of the $400 million for obamacare.com and went Derek Jeter on a regiment of hookers in Vegas. Then proceeded to build Obamacare with the remaining 2 million outsourced to Mumbai and his homeland Kenya :lol

:lmao Pimp Obama showing true pimps how it's done. Negro rules tbh

[Cry Havoc]

Actually its quite simple. Millions can prevent most sicknesses, and thats the main problem. There wouldn't be as much burden to cover emergencies if that whole other problem was taken care of. But there is no money in less people being sick. You aren't understanding that. Keep assuring yourself though that it's so difficult.

"Everyone should just be healthy! Then we wouldn't have problems!"

- From the department of realistic expectations.

[SA210]

"Everyone should just be healthy! Then we wouldn't have problems!"

- From the department of realistic expectations.

No, you just don't understand what I'm talking about, and that's my point. More people should be educated on holistic natural health and sick prevention, rather than have poison shoved down their throats that dont actually cure anything, they only mask problems and create more without ever getting to why you got sick to begin with. Take care of the whole body thru diet and nutrition, etc (and not the bogus food pyramid crap), and there would be millions less sick. It takes time to research this and understand it, but you should start now and so should med schools.

-From the department of common sense

[Cry Havoc]

No, you just don't understand what I'm talking about, and that's my point. More people should be educated on holistic natural health and sick prevention, rather than have poison shoved down their throats that dont actually cure anything, they only mask problems and create more without ever getting to why you got sick to begin with. Take care of the whole body thru diet and nutrition, etc (and not the bogus food pyramid crap), and there would be millions less sick. It takes time to research this and understand it, but you should start now and so should med schools.



Telling me I don't understand what you're talking about doesn't make it true. Your "point", using that term loosely, is *really* not that hard to comprehend. Continuing to state it as though I "don't get it" doesn't make your point any stronger, either, so you can stop that too.


-From the department of common sense

Is this also the department of common sense that thinks morphine is a vaccine? Because I'm fairly certain that destroys any medical knowledge credibility, common sense or not, you claim to have the authority of.

[SA210]

Telling me I don't understand what you're talking about doesn't make it true. Your "point", using that term loosely, is *really* not that hard to comprehend. Continuing to state it as though I "don't get it" doesn't make your point any stronger, either, so you can stop that too.



Is this also the department of common sense that thinks morphine is a vaccine? Because I'm fairly certain that destroys any medical knowledge credibility, common sense or not, you claim to have the authority of.


I don't think that at all, I was referring to injections of medicines thru needle or oral of many kinds bc my argument was medical drugs in general, not just vaccines...and you wanted to run with something that was never true and I later clarified what I was saying, bc even back then you didn't/couldn't understand the world I speak of. You lying about that makes you lose credibility, period. And I can say as long as I want that you don't understand, because it is very true. You really do not understand it. If you did, you wouldn't be saying the ridiculous things you are saying tbh.

[Cry Havoc]

I don't think that at all, I was referring to injections of medicines thru needle or oral of many kinds bc my argument was medical drugs in general, not just vaccines...

Yes. Smallpox got rid of itself. Polio too. Modern medicine is bad mmkay?

[SA210]

Yes. Smallpox got rid of itself. Polio too. Modern medicine is bad mmkay?

Saying more things that are untrue. Focus on what I was saying about prevention before you want to go wild on changing the subject. My point is that YOU and everyone is talking about SICK care, not real "health care". And millions can be less sick by focusing on prevention thru diet and nutrition and other things. I never said sickness would be totally eliminated or that medicine is never necessary, so you can stop exaggerating or spinning now. But there would be way less sickness and disease, way less. But like I said there is no money in that. The sick industry must go on..its all about the bottom line.

[SA210]

Alternative treatment suppression is a joke too. Cannabis oil cures many cancers, even Sanjay Gupta came out on CNN recently and admitted it when he did a story on baby Landon and apologized for misleading the country on it.

[in2deep]

s8Q8a3vTyQ0

:lol

[in2deep]

[QUOTE=Clipper Nation;6893811]:lol What access? Nobody can get on because the website is so shitty.... just imagine how horrible the service will be if people actually get to sign up for it![/QUOTE

I have to agree. If the store front is broken does a customer really even bother to go inside?

[in2deep]

is it true this site cost $500 million?

[cheguevara]

is it true this site cost $500 million?

I think it was more than that. and to redo it in a rush will probably cost over twice that :wow

[cheguevara]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao you just can't make this shit up:

Now She Tells Us: Sebelius Says Obamacare's Exchange Website Needed Six Years of Development, Instead Of Two
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/23/now-she-tells-us-sebelius-says-obamacares-exchange-website-needed-six-years-of-development-instead-of-two/

“We didn’t have enough testing…for a very complicated project,” she conceded to the Wall Street Journal. The exchanges needed five years of construction and one year of testing, and instead had only “two years [of construction] and almost no testing.”


:lmao 5 years of development :lmao

stupid incompetent bitch has no idea. Any software that takes over 5 years in development will become obsolete by the time it goes live :lol

1 year of testing :lmao

holy shit this bitch was in charge of the whole thing???????

:rollin

[Cry Havoc]

I have to agree. If the store front is broken does a customer really even bother to go inside?

When your alternative is an $80,000 ER bill? Yes, yes you do. You also realize that such a massive undertaking isn't necessarily going to be smooth from day 1.

[in2deep]

When your alternative is an $80,000 ER bill? Yes, yes you do. You also realize that such a massive undertaking isn't necessarily going to be smooth from day 1.

my alternative was never an $80,000 ER bill. why are you making stuff up?

and regarding your 2nd point, if they knew things would not be smooth from day 1, why do they expect us to sign up within the time frame given or else pay a fine?

[Cry Havoc]

my alternative was never an $80,000 ER bill. why are you making stuff up?

and regarding your 2nd point, if they knew things would not be smooth from day 1, why do they expect us to sign up within the time frame given or else pay a fine?

You posed the question as "would the general public go into a store with a broken sign". I was answering that question. Why are you suddenly acting like you phrased the question as though it only personally related to you?

Obviously it's been a little (lot) more rough than expected, and so they've pushed the time back that people have to start paying a penalty.

[in2deep]

You posed the question as "would the general public go into a store with a broken sign". I was answering that question. Why are you suddenly acting like you phrased the question as though it only personally related to you?

then you are assuming 100% of the public had the alternative of $80,000 ER bills which is a flat out lie.



Obviously it's been a little (lot) more rough than expected, and so they've pushed the time back that people have to start paying a penalty.

they have? do you have a link that announces they have pushed the deadline back?

[SA210]

CH making things up? no waaayyy :lol

[SA210]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao you just can't make this shit up:

Now She Tells Us: Sebelius Says Obamacare's Exchange Website Needed Six Years of Development, Instead Of Two
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/23/now-she-tells-us-sebelius-says-obamacares-exchange-website-needed-six-years-of-development-instead-of-two/

“We didn’t have enough testing…for a very complicated project,” she conceded to the Wall Street Journal. The exchanges needed five years of construction and one year of testing, and instead had only “two years [of construction] and almost no testing.”


:lmao 5 years of development :lmao

stupid incompetent bitch has no idea. Any software that takes over 5 years in development will become obsolete by the time it goes live :lol

1 year of testing :lmao

holy shit this bitch was in charge of the whole thing???????

:rollin



:rollin These people are almost making me forget how stupid W was

[ElNono]

they have? do you have a link that announces they have pushed the deadline back?

http://www.nytimes.com/news/affordable-care-act/2013/10/23/white-house-to-tweak-tax-penalty-deadline/

[Cry Havoc]

then you are assuming 100% of the public had the alternative of $80,000 ER bills which is a flat out lie.

Every single member of the public COULD have an $80k ER bill. That's the problem. Of course it probably won't happen to you, but if it does, I hope you have a cool $100k in cash sitting in the bank. The vast, vast majority of people don't. Do you think it's a coincidence that, among the top nations of the world, medical bankruptcy is only even acknowledged as a POSSIBILITY in the U.S.?

[George Gervin's Afro]

So what happens when things get smoothed out (you know they will)? What are you guys going to cry about then?

The pause in between pages on the site is too long?

LOL

[boutons_deux]

Repug hearings today with 4 software developers, as the Repugs go Benghazi on the healthcare.gov. Repugs didn't give a fuck about Benghazi dead, nor about healthcare.gov, except to beat on the Dems, which is their only game, since they also don't GAF about governing.

[Cry Havoc]

Repug hearings today with 4 software developers, as the Repugs go Benghazi on the healthcare.gov. Repugs didn't give a fuck about Benghazi dead, nor about healthcare.gov, except to beat on the Dems, which is their only game, since they also don't GAF about governing.

Their tactics of constantly playing the all-out short game is really starting to catch up with them.

[boutons_deux]

Their tactics of constantly playing the all-out short game is really starting to catch up with them.

.. only if they lose the House, or at least lose House and some Senate seats next year, but extreme gerrrymandering and widespread voter suppression will keep them safe, very probably.

[SA210]

So what happens when things get smoothed out (you know they will)? What are you guys going to cry about then?

The pause in between pages on the site is too long?

LOL

What would happen is that mandates would still be wrong. Obama agrees with me


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FknJLMc84bo

[boutons_deux]

What would happpen is that mandates would still be wrong.

I agree to drop the mandate if you agree to let hospital ERs, public and private, refuse all care to the uninsured.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Their tactics of constantly playing the all-out short game is really starting to catch up with them.

This is obvious. What happens when the website kinks are worked out? I sometimes wonder in the rush to bash Obama his opponents are never thinking of their next move. It's all about today.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well, Sebelius just said it takes 5 years to write the code and another year to debug it so I'm not holding my breath.

[Cry Havoc]

This is obvious. What happens when the website kinks are worked out? I sometimes wonder in the rush to bash Obama his opponents are never thinking of their next move. It's all about today.

Takes the term "grasping for straws" to a new level.

[cheguevara]

Well, Sebelius just said it takes 5 years to write the code and another year to debug it so I'm not holding my breath.

all this proves is she has no idea how a software system is developed and deployed. She has ZERO clue and probably ZERO experience on anything remotely related to the technology sector and ecommerce. Same goes for Obama, the white house staff and probably 90% of the decision makers that worked on this project :lol

:lmao making an ecommerce site the cornerstone of your law and paying $500 million to a group of Canadian potheads to build it :lol

[SA210]

This is obvious. What happens when the website kinks are worked out? I sometimes wonder in the rush to bash Obama his opponents are never thinking of their next move. It's all about today.



What would happen is that mandates would still be wrong. Obama agrees with me


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FknJLMc84bo

[boutons_deux]

Repug hearings today with 4 software developers, as the Repugs go Benghazi on the healthcare.gov. Repugs didn't give a fuck about Benghazi dead, nor about healthcare.gov, except to beat on the Dems, which is their only game, since they also don't GAF about governing.

Dems showing some balls

======

House Republicans held their first hearing to grill the creators behind the Healthcare.gov website on Thursday.

Having discovered a genuine, verifiable problem with the president’s signature legislative accomplishment — the site just doesn’t work as designed — Republicans seized the opportunity to focus on nonsense (http://www.salon.com/2013/10/24/republicans_embarrassing_obamacare_overreach_backf ires/).

Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) split hairs over an HTML comment that was mistakenly left inside the code (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42681_GOP_Clown_Show-_Rep._Joe_Barton_Freaks_Out_Over_an_HTML_Comment) and has no bearing on the functionality of the site.

“You know it’s not HIPAA-compliant,” Barton said to Sheryl Campbell (http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/10/24/obamacare_website_hearing_frank_pallone_calls_it_a _monkey_court.html?wpisrc=burger_bar), the senior vice president at CGI Federal, the chief contractor behind the site. “Admit it! You’re under oath!”

The congressman was referring to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, which protects the privacy of patients’ medical records.

Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ) defended Campbell by pointing out a key aspect of the Affordable Care Act — it bans the concept of pre-existing conditions. Thus medical history is irrelevant and not part of any application.

“So once again, here we have my Republican colleagues trying to scare everybody—” Pallone said.

When Barton tried to get Pallone to yield back the floor, the congressman from New Jersey said, “ No, I will not yield to this monkey court or whatever this thing is.”

“This is not a monkey court,” Barton responded.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/watch-congressman-calls-house-gops-healthcare-govs-hearing-a-monkey-court/

Joe Barton, as dumb as your typical TX Congressman, racing to the bottom with Gohmert, etc.

[AFBlue]

Takes the term "grasping for straws" to a new level.

Don't act as if you or GGA wouldn't be railing the administration's utter incompetence and negligence if it were a Republican in office. It's a clusterfuck now and the fact that it was rolled out in such an irresponsible manner deserves discussion.

What happens when it's fixed? Some who don't like the law will keep railing against it on principle, and others will move on.

[Cry Havoc]

Don't act as if you or GGA wouldn't be railing the administration's utter incompetence and negligence if it were a Republican in office. It's a clusterfuck now and the fact that it was rolled out in such an irresponsible manner deserves discussion.

The issue here isn't that the Republicans are angry with the website. The issue is that they honestly don't care whether or not the law could actually help the country and it's citizens. They have abased the current issues of our time to a simple, "We wanna win and make sure they lose at any cost" point of view. It's pathetic, it's disingenuous, and it undermines a lot of LEGITIMATE complaints they could actually have about the state of the AFA.

That's the issue here. They just took the nuclear option for a half of a fucking month and now they want to sit down, have some fireside chats, and pretend that they're reasonable, rational, functioning members of Congress with "the good people of the United States" in their hearts and minds. It's bullshit. They just performed one of the most detrimental, ludicrous, asinine actions in the history of American politics. They're sooooooo super worried about the damage the AFA could do that they cost the government and it's people untold billions of dollars in a ridiculous attempt to block it, which was doomed from day one. Fuck that. So no. It's a little too transparent, and they don't get off for it. But I don't need the GOP telling me when to hold the other party accountable. Reasonable, sane people can do that on their own without being rank and filed like a bunch of wind-up toys.

[boutons_deux]

MSNBC had some great clips tonight from Repugs in 2006 explaining how there are always glitches, 6 MONTHS AFTER Medicare Part D was started.

They asked the Dems to help their Dem constituents understand Pard D, and the Dems did, since MEDICARE PART D WAS THE LAW and it helped their constituents.

Today, we have the OH Repug legislature SUING Repug Gov Kasich to stop his acceptance of Medicaid expansion, plus of course the Repugs sabotaging ACA non-stop for 3 years.

[AFBlue]

Is it more irresponsible to shut down the government for 16 days or roll out a program apparently six years before it was ready?

Don't act like the concept of winning at all costs only applies to one party.

[Cry Havoc]

Is it more irresponsible to shut down the government for 16 days or roll out a program apparently six years before it was ready?

Don't act like the concept of winning at all costs only applies to one party.

Six years? Really? People are already getting signed up. Why the need for completely unnecessary hyperbole? You have NO idea how the AFA will look in 6 years, and neither does a single member of the GOP.

[HI-FI]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao you just can't make this shit up:

Now She Tells Us: Sebelius Says Obamacare's Exchange Website Needed Six Years of Development, Instead Of Two
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/23/now-she-tells-us-sebelius-says-obamacares-exchange-website-needed-six-years-of-development-instead-of-two/

“We didn’t have enough testing…for a very complicated project,” she conceded to the Wall Street Journal. The exchanges needed five years of construction and one year of testing, and instead had only “two years [of construction] and almost no testing.”


:lmao 5 years of development :lmao

stupid incompetent bitch has no idea. Any software that takes over 5 years in development will become obsolete by the time it goes live :lol

1 year of testing :lmao

holy shit this bitch was in charge of the whole thing???????

:rollin

what a total disaster, taxpayers still gotta pay for this shit.

Sebelius would've been better off working for 3D Realms imho.

[Kool Bob Love]

100,000 people have signed up now and they need 7 MILLION in order for this thing to work. Good luck.

[Nbadan]

100,000 people have signed up now and they need 7 MILLION in order for this thing to work. Good luck.

Millions more have signed up with state exchanges..don't believe everything you hear from FAUX

[Nbadan]

The government flubbed the Social security roll out too..


The Social Security example is the one with the clearest parallel to HealthCare.gov. The federal government was facing a similarly massive undertaking. As the Social Security Bulletin recounted on the program’s 75th anniversary, “Keeping a record of each individual’s lifetime earnings was an unprecedented task, and the technology to support this Herculean effort did not even exist.” That the government did it is now seen by historians as an “amazing” accomplishment. But when snags arose, people at the time had no idea that would be the case.

An “early crisis,” recalled the Bulletin, was the “John Doe” problem: “Many employers reported earnings without providing a worker’s name or SSN . The first report from the Bureau of Internal Revenue did not contain SSNs for about 12 percent of the wage items—and this rapidly increased in subsequent reports.”

and President Roosevelt?


Did the media panic force President Franklin Roosevelt to leap into action and save the day? Not exactly. As the Chair of the Board at the time said in a 1967 interview: “He wasn’t interested in it. He was bored stiff. I couldn’t have kept him interested in any of my woes. He laughed them off. That’s the only way he could survive, I suppose.”

http://ourfuture.org/20131023/social-security-flubbed-its-rollout-no-one-remembers

[Nbadan]

Obamacare applications near 700,000, official says


(Reuters) - About 700,000 applications have been submitted for U.S. healthcare coverage being offered through new exchanges created by President Barack Obama's healthcare law, a U.S. official said...The U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services released the number during an update for journalists about the healthcare marketplace, which has had a rocky rollout since enrollment in the new plans began on Oct 1.

The U.S. government is operating the healthcare.gov website, which has been plagued by technical problems since the outset and is the portal for 36 states; the remaining states are operating their own online marketplaces. The nearly 700,000 applications are the total from both the state- and federally-run exchanges, Julie Bataille, a CMS spokeswoman, said on the media call.

Applications for at least 390,000 people have been completed through the state-run exchanges, according to a Reuters tally of state reports.

Completed applications mean that the applicants received a determination about whether they are eligible for tax credits or the Medicaid program for low-income Americans. Applicants have not necessarily chosen a plan.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/24/us-usa-healthcare-applications-idUSBRE99N16U20131024

[Cry Havoc]

700,000 in 24 days. Pretty decent for the "horrible start" it's being billed as.

[boutons_deux]

what a total disaster, taxpayers still gotta pay for this shit.

Sebelius would've been better off working for 3D Realms imho.

$3T wasted for Repug's unfunded Iraq disaster, plus unfunded Repug Medicare Advantage and Part D, but now you bitch about $400M for this, which will work great? :lol

[George Gervin's Afro]

I thnink it's honorable that the House is going to get to the bottom of the IT issues... LOL

[AFBlue]

Obamacare applications near 700,000, official says



http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/24/us-usa-healthcare-applications-idUSBRE99N16U20131024

700K out if how many uninsured? Also note these people aren't insured as of yet, which is the thing that should be measured. They've simply completed their application and made the determination they are eligible. And the stat that less than half of the apps were generated from the national site is pretty damning, though not surprising.

I'm not sure if this was intended to be positive, because that's just not a rationally defensible position at this point.

[Cry Havoc]

700K out if how many uninsured? Also note these people aren't insured as of yet, which is the thing that should be measured. They've simply completed their application and made the determination they are eligible. And the stat that less than half of the apps were generated from the national site is pretty damning, though not surprising.

I'm not sure if this was intended to be positive, because that's just not a rationally defensible position at this point.

The state set up exchanges are doing their job and working very well so far, which is evidence (not proof, obviously), that the AFA can and does work.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/21/us-usa-healthcare-ohio-idUSBRE99K12B20131021

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/17/obamacare-just-cut-oregons-uninsured-rate-by-10-percent/

[boutons_deux]

"not a rationally defensible"

sure it is, 700K is a positive, people are interested, people want an need insurance, any TRUTH is defensible as a counter to all the lies, slander, sabotage coming from You People.

Anybody know of ANY huge computer system application that started out on day one, on month one, on YEAR one, in perfect condition?

I hear the IRS online system, under Repug St Ronnie's IRS, in the mid 80s took years to be useful. and Repug Medicare Part D and Advantage were startup disasters, and the FBI, under the Repugs, spent $1B and never got their system working.

[Th'Pusher]

700K out if how many uninsured? Also note these people aren't insured as of yet, which is the thing that should be measured. They've simply completed their application and made the determination they are eligible. And the stat that less than half of the apps were generated from the national site is pretty damning, though not surprising.

I'm not sure if this was intended to be positive, because that's just not a rationally defensible position at this point.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/10/mass_enrollment_blue.jpg