Is There A Material Difference In Your Pay Check Between $7.50 vs $8.50 an hr?

[Koolaid_Man]

The Purpose of this thread is simply to Keep Honest People Honest :toast
Just want to end the Shaq Carried Kobe argument with a math analogy Spur fan can personally relate to :hat


1999-2000

Shaq = MVP, All Star Game MVP, 1st Team All-NBA and 2nd Team All-Defense

Kobe = All Star, 2nd Team All-NBA and 1st Team All-Defense

Playoff numbers

Shaq 30.7 ppg 15.4 reb 3.1 ast
Kobe 21.1 ppg 4.5 reb 4.4 ast
Glen Rice 12.4 ppg 4.0 reb 2.1 ast

Shaq led the team in scoring 16 games during the playoffs with games scoring 46, 43, 41, 41, 40 plus eight other 30 point games.
Kobe led the team in scoring 6 times with highs being 35, 33, 32 and 32 again at the age of 21.

Shaq was dominant but Kobe's numbers were better than Duncan's as first option in SA for his first title. I concede this was Shaq's lone year as Alpha with Kobe on the team.

Now we get serious...

2000-2001

Regular season they were both in the top five in scoring Shaq 28.7 a night and Kobe 28.5

Post season:

Shaq 30.4 ppg 15.4 reb 3.2 ast
Kobe 29.4 ppg 7.3 reb 6.1 ast
Derek Fisher 13.4 ppg 3.8 reb 3.0 ast

Shaq led the team in scoring in 8 games scoring 30 points or better 7 times and 40 points 3 times. Kobe on the other hand led the team in scoring in 8 games, scoring 30 points or more in 7 games and 2 games over 40 including the team playoff high of 48 against the Spurs

2001-2002

Shaq 28.5 ppg 12.6 reb 2.8 ast
Kobe 26.6 ppg 5.8 reb 4.6 ast
Derek Fisher 10.2 ppg 3.3 reb 2.7 ast

Shaq was the team scoring leader in 9 playoff games, 8 times scoring 30 or more points and Kobe led the team in 10 playoff games, 6 times scoring 30 or more points. The point of this statistical analysis is to prove how foolish it is to claim Kobe was carried by Shaq to his 3 rings.
If Kobe was carried he would have averaged Derek Fisher and Glen Rice type numbers...:toast

[Koolaid_Man]

basically there's no way a child should be able to kick the parents out of the house...but if Spur fan logic is true Kobe kicked Shaq out the house and onto the street. Use your evolution given shit for brains Spur fan...

[Buddy Mignon]

Anyone who was watching knows Kobe took over the reigns of not only the Lakers but the entire league in 2001. Not even Shaq will deny that. Kobe will never get his just due because he dared to be better than Jordan and took some white pussy up in Colorado and didn't fry for it. The media signed off and dug up this pleb Lebron to replace Kobe. Kobe wasn't finished wiping his ass with the league... which is why Wade tweeted his was sick to his stomach when Kobe rang without Shaq. Believe me when I tell you... they all hate Kobe... even PJ. Kobe forced all to kiss his ass and like it.

[ambchang]

It would be a pretty big difference for you. At $8.50, you'd have to work 59 hours to repay your $500, but at $7.50, you'd have to work 67 hours. That's 8 less hours for you to read up on Duncan gay rumors. Huge deal.

*before taxes and any deductions. Even though at your pay scale, I doubt you have either.

[Katherine Robinson]

Let's use inverse shooting% as income tax.

[Koolaid_Man]

Anyone who was watching knows Kobe took over the reigns of not only the Lakers but the entire league in 2001. Not even Shaq will deny that. Kobe will never get his just due because he dared to be better than Jordan and took some white pussy up in Colorado and didn't fry for it. The media signed off and dug up this pleb Lebron to replace Kobe. Kobe wasn't finished wiping his ass with the league... which is why Wade tweeted his was sick to his stomach when Kobe rang without Shaq. Believe me when I tell you... they all hate Kobe... even PJ. Kobe forced all to kiss his ass and like it.

^ + 1000 :toast the other problem Spur fan have is that Kobe's numbers during the 3 peat are better than Duncan's numbers during his first 3 titles...and Duncan is supposed to be Alpha of the team...pretty shitty reality for Spur fan....I know this thread is anal wrecking

[koriwhat]

^ + 1000 :toast the other problem Spur fan have is that Kobe's numbers during the 3 peat are better than Duncan's numbers during his first 3 titles...and Duncan is supposed to be Alpha of the team...pretty shitty reality for Spur fan....I know this thread is anal wrecking

LA LAKERS, 2013/2014 NBA LOTTERY CHAMPS!

[Rogue]

basically there's no way a child should be able to kick the parents out of the house...but if Spur fan logic is true Kobe kicked Shaq out the house and onto the street. Use your evolution given shit for brains Spur fan...

It doesn't only happen on rare occasions in your country though, you know it... and using a proxy based in Houston ain't never gonna cover it up completely, imho.

[Rogue]

Anyone who was watching knows Kobe took over the reigns of not only the Lakers but the entire league in 2001. Not even Shaq will deny that. Kobe will never get his just due because he dared to be better than Jordan and took some white pussy up in Colorado and didn't fry for it. The media signed off and dug up this pleb Lebron to replace Kobe. Kobe wasn't finished wiping his ass with the league... which is why Wade tweeted his was sick to his stomach when Kobe rang without Shaq. Believe me when I tell you... they all hate Kobe... even PJ. Kobe forced all to kiss his ass and like it.
I think people hate Kobe for a reason, and he never managed to force anyone to kiss his ass let alone liking it, except conniving with himself to kiss shaq's time and time again, imho.

[Koolaid_Man]

I think people hate Kobe for a reason, and he never managed to force anyone to kiss his ass let alone liking it, except conniving with himself to kiss shaq's time and time again, imho.

BR you really expose yourself

[ElNono]

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[z0sa]

Lol Koolaid fool the troll. Shaq's mere presence > Kobe. Kobe could have been replaced by 10 different guys from the same era.

Kobe is a glorified Vince Carter without a dominant big man.

[Buddy Mignon]

I think people hate Kobe for a reason, and he never managed to force anyone to kiss his ass let alone liking it, except conniving with himself to kiss shaq's time and time again, imho.

I don't hear the echos of "Kobe can't win without shaq" anymore. Phil begged Kobe to come back... he could have gone to any teeam he wanted but he begged Kobe to come back to LA. Kobe got a coach fired with just a glare. Teammates are forced to endure him lambasting them in the media... with no apologies. Other coaches tell their best defenders on game night to not even look him in his eyes for fear of pissing him off. Kobe shoots and shoots and shoots and shoots and he don't give a fuck about his percentage. Kobe made the leauge endure him and his annoying ways. If he had settled for 3 then yall would have had him right where you wanted him. But he kept pushing... he kept complaining... and he kept shooting... and I'm glad and happy for him. Next up... he's going to drop Jordan down a notch on the scoring list just to give yall more reasons to hate him.

[Buddy Mignon]

Lol Koolaid fool the troll. Shaq's mere presence > Kobe. Kobe could have been replaced by 10 different guys from the same era.

Kobe is a glorified Vince Carter without a dominant big man.

Kobe replaced Shaq with Gasol and got just as much done.

[koriwhat]

I don't hear the echos of "Kobe can't win without shaq" anymore. Phil begged Kobe to come back... he could have gone to any teeam he wanted but he begged Kobe to come back to LA. Kobe got a coach fired with just a glare. Teammates are forced to endure him lambasting them in the media... with no apologies. Other coaches tell their best defenders on game night to not even look him in his eyes for fear of pissing him off. Kobe shoots and shoots and shoots and shoots and he don't give a fuck about his percentage. Kobe made the leauge endure him and his annoying ways. If he had settled for 3 then yall would have had him right where you wanted him. But he kept pushing... he kept complaining... and he kept shooting... and I'm glad and happy for him. Next up... he's going to drop Jordan down a notch on the scoring list just to give yall more reasons to hate him.

he kept pushing? yeah for another bs trade which involved another big man to bail him out.

[Buddy Mignon]

he kept pushing? yeah for another bs trade which involved another big man to bail him out.

That's exactly what I meant. Jordan pushed for Rodman and Harper. Bird pushed for Walton. Magic pushed for Thompson. Isaiah pushed for Aquirre. Lebron pushed for Wade and Bosh. Shaq pushed for everyone. West pushed for Wilt. Its the nature of the game... but only Kobe is critisized for having help. If Duncan had pushed to be in the game those last 28 seconds you'd have a different attitude.

[Koolaid_Man]

Lol Koolaid fool the troll. Shaq's mere presence > Kobe. Kobe could have been replaced by 10 different guys from the same era.

Kobe is a glorified Vince Carter without a dominant big man.

If that were true you need to start naming the 10 guys from that era that won back to back no Shaq like Kobe....if what you say is true then T-Mac, A.I, and Vince Carter should have at least 2 rings as does Kobe without Shaq....do you see how easy it is to shit on your grade school analysis?

[Koolaid_Man]

That's exactly what I meant. Jordan pushed for Rodman and Harper. Bird pushed for Walton. Magic pushed for Thompson. Isaiah pushed for Aquirre. Lebron pushed for Wade and Bosh. Shaq pushed for everyone. West pushed for Wilt. Its the nature of the game... but only Kobe is critisized for having help. If Duncan had pushed to be in the game those last 28 seconds you'd have a different attitude.

naw naw big homie...Duncan let someone else do the pushing....:lol from behind

[spurraider21]

wow, soo Koolaid_Welch and Narutofag think Kobe > Shaq. shocking :rolleyes

[Koolaid_Man]

wow, soo Koolaid_Welch and Narutofag think Kobe > Shaq. shocking :rolleyes

you know my analysis is spot on....you're left speechless

[RsxPiimp]

wow, soo Koolaid_Welch and Narutofag think Kobe > Shaq. shocking :rolleyes

It's obvious, Kobe was the one constant thing when it comes to winning. Shaq left, got another ring despite playing with Wade, Lebron, Boston. Kobe stayed and he gave a druggie like Lamar and a softy European who by the way is 0-16 in playoffs with out Kobe a taste of championship.

Shaquille was undeniably the dominant figure but Kobe was the best player overall by scoring, hitting clutch shots, defending and playmaking.

[elmanutres]

:lol what the fuck is this shit. naruto fag tag teaming koon aid. gayest tag team in ST history with naruto fag carrying 80% of the gayness

[Arnold Toht]

^ You love reminding yourself of 6. Why don't you put a sig of Allen's dagger instead?

[Buddy Mignon]

:lol what the fuck is this shit. naruto fag tag teaming koon aid. gayest tag team in ST history with naruto fag carrying 80% of the gayness

Duncan and Dick Jefferson would disagree.

[Koolaid_Man]

Duncan and Dick Jefferson would disagree.

Tammy D was Dicking Jefferson down (no pun)

[spurraider21]

It's obvious, Kobe was the one constant thing when it comes to winning. Shaq left, got another ring despite playing with Wade, Lebron, Boston. Kobe stayed and he gave a druggie like Lamar and a softy European who by the way is 0-16 in playoffs with out Kobe a taste of championship.

Shaquille was undeniably the dominant figure but Kobe was the best player overall by scoring, hitting clutch shots, defending and playmaking.
yeah Kobe was the constant. thats why Shaq left in the summer of 04 and Kobe was irrelevant in the NBA until the gift in 08. meanwhile, shaq in his first year away from Kobe made the conference finals, and then won an NBA championship in the second year. kobe didn't even pass the first round until 08

[RsxPiimp]

yeah Kobe was the constant. thats why Shaq left in the summer of 04 and Kobe was irrelevant in the NBA until the gift in 08. meanwhile, shaq in his first year away from Kobe made the conference finals, and then won an NBA championship in the second year. kobe didn't even pass the first round until 08

You put Shaq in any of those Laker teams I'm willing to bet he'd also be irrelevant. Agree?

[lakerhaterade]

^ You love reminding yourself of 6. Why don't you put a sig of Allen's dagger instead?
:lol

[ElNono]

lol sons he led the Lakers to a 121-125 record during the 3 seasons without Shaq. :lol

I knew he was pathetic as a leader, but I didn't realize it was that bad.

[spurraider21]

You put Shaq in any of those Laker teams I'm willing to bet he'd also be irrelevant. Agree?
so shaq on the team in 04 = in the finals. you suggest shaq on the lakers in 05 and they're suddenly irrelevant? :lol

[z0sa]

If that were true you need to start naming the 10 guys from that era that won back to back no Shaq like Kobe....if what you say is true then T-Mac, A.I, and Vince Carter should have at least 2 rings as does Kobe without Shaq....do you see how easy it is to shit on your grade school analysis?

lol ignoring the second sentence of the post you quoted

Grade school is hoping no one remembers every defense revolved around slowing down Shaq. In a pick-your-poison contest, Kobe won literally every single time... Shaq's getting double and triple teamed every time down the floor and putting up GOAT numbers while Kobe's being played 1 on 1 yet Shaq still significantly beats him statistically. :lol

Oh yeah, what about those 3 Finals MVPs?



On a different note, but interrelated answering that first part... Kobe and Lakerfan in general really should be thankful for Daddy leading him into the bright lights and championship banners. there ain't no substitute for experience. Yall owe Shaq big fucking time even for 15 and 16, tbh. Hence the whole, plug another perimeter all-star into the equation and similar shit happens. About the only thing Kobe would have over the VC's of the League without the Diesel would be longevity, and something tells me Kobe might not have lasted so long at the top if he had defenses gameplanning around him 15 years rather than 7 or 8. 7 or 8's being pretty kind, too, since Bean had plenty of talent after Shaq.

It's also worth noting how iron man Kobe mysteriously gets hit by season ending injuries sometimes during situations when the going's rough and the Lakers are fighting for a playoff spot. :lol He might've been just another T-Mac without Shaq.

[Koolaid_Man]

lol ignoring the second sentence of the post you quoted

Grade school is hoping no one remembers every defense revolved around slowing down Shaq. In a pick-your-poison contest, Kobe won literally every single time... Shaq's getting double and triple teamed every time down the floor and putting up GOAT numbers while Kobe's being played 1 on 1 yet Shaq still significantly beats him statistically. :lol

Oh yeah, what about those 3 Finals MVPs?



On a different note, but interrelated answering that first part... Kobe and Lakerfan in general really should be thankful for Daddy leading him into the bright lights and championship banners. there ain't no substitute for experience. Yall owe Shaq big fucking time even for 15 and 16, tbh. Hence the whole, plug another perimeter all-star into the equation and similar shit happens. About the only thing Kobe would have over the VC's of the League without the Diesel would be longevity, and something tells me Kobe might not have lasted so long at the top if he had defenses gameplanning around him 15 years rather than 7 or 8. 7 or 8's being pretty kind, too, since Bean had plenty of talent after Shaq.

It's also worth noting how iron man Kobe mysteriously gets hit by season ending injuries sometimes during situations when the going's rough and the Lakers are fighting for a playoff spot. :lol He might've been just another T-Mac without Shaq.


err..nice try..but come again...Kobe was doubled on the wings while Shaq was doubled in the post....ball drop into Shaq he's doubled....never tripled unless he was trapped and the opposing team was being opportunistic....but this happens to every NBA player no X's and O's NBA coach will use a triple team strategy to the detriment of their team..again you're spewing non sense and cannot back up your claims :lol...back to my point on occasions the ball went into Shaq he got doubled...if he passed or kicked out to Kobe..Kobe was then doubled on the wing....it's the very reason why Kobe earned the reputation for such degree of difficulty shots against multiple defenders and why teams (1) game plan around him and (2) hire defensive specialists such as Bruce Bowen with the sole purpose of defending Kobe..I've already and previously listed the elite defensive players given the Kobe assignment..

Your whole argument is like putty...it's like you couldn't think of a legit comeback to my OP so you just started rambling on incoherently about all kinds of silly shit...:lol

Again if Kobe's numbers for his first 3 titles are better than Duncan's (as Alpha) of the Spurs then it's a shitty reality for Spur fan....and lastly what you should be arguing if you want to show your no basketball dummy (which is almost impossible at this point) is in order to show dominance what was Shaq's numbers against the Spurs and particularly against Duncan :lol...was Duncan so shitty that he couldn't play Shaq straight up..If I recall Kobe had to explicitly tell Shaq on one occasion while playing Duncan: "Man slam his ass in the paint stop fucking around"...what I remember is Kobe really abusing the Spurs whether doubled or not and Kobe particularly mistreated Duncan....he took his match up with the Spurs personally and it showed...

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[ambchang]

Another stupid take by Kobestans, thinking ppg is the be all and end all.

2000, no need to go into it because even Kobestans admitted it was Shaq's team.
2001 - Shaq had 12.7rpg, 3.7 assists, and 2.8 blks. Kobe? 5.9, 5.0, 0.6. Shaq had a 30.2 PER compared to 24.5 for Kobe. He had a 0.245 WS/48 compared to .196 for Kobe (that's as much difference as Kobe and Horace Grant).
2002 - 29.7 PER vs. 23.2. .262 WS/48 vs. .199 (Fisher sits at .154 and Horry at .134).

It's no contest, statistically, Shaq destroyed Kobe in 01 and 02.

Then of course, there's the fact that the NBA changed the rules in 02 to make the league more perimeter friendly, and Kobe STILL couldn't surpass Shaq. In fact, Kobe had a career high of .224 WS/48, while Shaq had EIGHT, that's 8 seasons with a WS/48 >= .224, topping out at a league leading .284 in 2000.

[Koolaid_Man]

Another stupid take by Kobestans, thinking ppg is the be all and end all.

2000, no need to go into it because even Kobestans admitted it was Shaq's team.
2001 - Shaq had 12.7rpg, 3.7 assists, and 2.8 blks. Kobe? 5.9, 5.0, 0.6. Shaq had a 30.2 PER compared to 24.5 for Kobe. He had a 0.245 WS/48 compared to .196 for Kobe (that's as much difference as Kobe and Horace Grant).
2002 - 29.7 PER vs. 23.2. .262 WS/48 vs. .199 (Fisher sits at .154 and Horry at .134).

It's no contest, statistically, Shaq destroyed Kobe in 01 and 02.

Then of course, there's the fact that the NBA changed the rules in 02 to make the league more perimeter friendly, and Kobe STILL couldn't surpass Shaq. In fact, Kobe had a career high of .224 WS/48, while Shaq had EIGHT, that's 8 seasons with a WS/48 >= .224, topping out at a league leading .284 in 2000.

I give u credit for trying but your points are . moot by my OP. Scoring is the holy grail in all sports. Shaqs Rebounds and assists were comparable to Kobes when you consider size and position. In other words Shaq would obviuosly have more rbs while Kobe more steals and assists.

The burden is on you to prove Shaq carried Kobe because Kobe had Derek Fisher type numbers during the 3peat. Thus far I'm kicking your ass in this debate. I relegated you to the PER argument but go back read my OP again and then holla at me.

Spur fan sharing the butthurt lol.

[ambchang]

I give u credit for trying but your points are . moot by my OP. Scoring is the holy grail in all sports. Shaqs Rebounds and assists were comparable to Kobes when you consider size and position. In other words Shaq would obviuosly have more rbs while Kobe more steals and assists.

The burden is on you to prove Shaq carried Kobe because Kobe had Derek Fisher type numbers during the 3peat. Thus far I'm kicking your ass in this debate. I relegated you to the PER argument but go back read my OP again and then holla at me.

Spur fan sharing the butthurt lol.

Given it's common knowledge that Shaq carried Kobe to 3 titles, the burden of proof is actually on you, but then of course, I have already showed you WS and PER.

And if scoring is the holy grail of all of sports, then:

Lebron 27.56 > Kobe 25.52. Thanks for letting me know that Lebron > Kobe.

[Koolaid_Man]

Statistically you claim Shaq destroyed when he was better on a margin...because he couldn't stop begging Kobe to pass the ball

You tricks better check my thread title.

[Koolaid_Man]

Given it's common knowledge that Shaq carried Kobe to 3 titles, the burden of proof is actually on you, but then of course, I have already showed you WS and PER.

And if scoring is the holy grail of all of sports, then:

Lebron 27.56 > Kobe 25.52. Thanks for letting me know that Lebron > Kobe.

Problem is that's filled with a legit qualifier. Leastern conference play for his entire career and no credible prime defenders and that's the best he can do?

[Koolaid_Man]

Another stupid take by Kobestans, thinking ppg is the be all and end all.

2000, no need to go into it because even Kobestans admitted it was Shaq's team.
2001 - Shaq had 12.7rpg, 3.7 assists, and 2.8 blks. Kobe? 5.9, 5.0, 0.6. Shaq had a 30.2 PER compared to 24.5 for Kobe. He had a 0.245 WS/48 compared to .196 for Kobe (that's as much difference as Kobe and Horace Grant).
2002 - 29.7 PER vs. 23.2. .262 WS/48 vs. .199 (Fisher sits at .154 and Horry at .134).

It's no contest, statistically, Shaq destroyed Kobe in 01 and 02.

Then of course, there's the fact that the NBA changed the rules in 02 to make the league more perimeter friendly, and Kobe STILL couldn't surpass Shaq. In fact, Kobe had a career high of .224 WS/48, while Shaq had EIGHT, that's 8 seasons with a WS/48 >= .224, topping out at a league leading .284 in 2000.

I give u credit for trying but your points are . moot by my OP. Scoring is the holy grail in all sports. Shaqs Rebounds and assists were comparable to Kobes when you consider size and position. In other words Shaq would obviuosly have more rbs while Kobe more steals and assists.

The burden is on you to prove Shaq carried Kobe because Kobe had Derek Fisher type numbers during the 3peat. Thus far I'm kicking your ass in this debate. I relegated you to the PER argument but go back read my OP again and then holla at me.

Spur fan sharing the butthurt lol.

[ambchang]

Problem is that's filled with a legit qualifier. Leastern conference play for his entire career and no credible prime defenders and that's the best he can do?

But that doesn't matter, because ....

Scoring is the holy grail in all sports.

[ambchang]

Statistically you claim Shaq destroyed when he was better on a margin...because he couldn't stop begging Kobe to pass the ball

You tricks better check my thread title.

Kobe shooting the Lakers out of a title is proof that Kobe led the Lakers .... to defeat.

Kobe with no HoF big man = first round exists and missing the playoffs.

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe shooting the Lakers out of a title is proof that Kobe led the Lakers .... to defeat.

Kobe with no HoF big man = first round exists and missing the playoffs.

:lol you're all over the map trying to defend a losing argument and position....whenever you need a sanity check...just refer to my OP :hat

[ambchang]

:lol you're all over the map trying to defend a losing argument and position....whenever you need a sanity check...just refer to my OP :hat

I am referring to your OP, and responding to your post #36 on this thread.

Your original premise is faulty in that scoring is the only metric to determine who is the leader. Richard Hamilton was the leading scorer of the 2004 Pistons, and yet he wasn't even CLOSE to being the leader.

And why are you deflecting? You said scoring is the holy grail of all sports, so why isn't Lebron > Kobe?

[ambchang]

:lol FOURTH best SG of all time according to KAM.
Jordan (30.12) > Jerry West (27.03) > AI (26.66) > Kobe (25.52).

[hehateme]

Shaq replaced Kobe with Wade and still won. Kobe replaced Shaq with his ego and failed to do nothing but cry.

[Buddy Mignon]

Let me ask you niggas something. Could Pippen run Jordan out of town? Could Manu run Jim out of town? Could Mchale run Bird out of town? Simple logic would tell even a fool that the beta male can't run the alpha male out of town, but when it comes to simple logic concerning Kobe spurfan just can't seem to grasp the concept. History is written by the winners of wars... not the losers. When its all said and done people will remember Kobes heroics and game winning shots, and all they will remember from Shaq is how retired a Celtic and his jersey being purposely hung up backwards. I suggest you all do some research on what that means.

[Buddy Mignon]

Shaq replaced Kobe with Wade and still won. Kobe replaced Shaq with his ego and failed to do nothing but cry.

Kobe replaced Shaq with Pau and still went back to back all while shitting on Jim... which I'm sure he has a fetish for.

[ambchang]

Let me ask you niggas something. Could Pippen run Jordan out of town? Could Manu run Jim out of town? Could Mchale run Bird out of town? Simple logic would tell even a fool that the beta male can't run the alpha male out of town, but when it comes to simple logic concerning Kobe spurfan just can't seem to grasp the concept. History is written by the winners of wars... not the losers. When its all said and done people will remember Kobes heroics and game winning shots, and all they will remember from Shaq is how retired a Celtic and his jersey being purposely hung up backwards. I suggest you all do some research on what that means.

Let me ask you something, what age was Shaq at and what age was Kobe at? The league was obviously moving towards a perimeter game, and coupled with Shaq's age, it should have been an easy decision to pick Kobe over Shaq, but it wasn't, it took Shaq screaming at Buss in a game to prompt Buss to pull the trigger.

History would have remembered Kobe the way you described it (incorrectly, I might add) if he wasn't exposed last year with his horrible leadership and how the Lakers struggled without MVPau.

BTW, plenty of teams picked the wrong guy over the years. Cleveland let go of Kevin Johnson to hold onto Mark Price, Philly let Barkley go, the Lakers let D12 walk ... oh wait, scratch that last one.

[Koolaid_Man]

I am referring to your OP, and responding to your post #36 on this thread.

Your original premise is faulty in that scoring is the only metric to determine who is the leader. Richard Hamilton was the leading scorer of the 2004 Pistons, and yet he wasn't even CLOSE to being the leader.

And why are you deflecting? You said scoring is the holy grail of all sports, so why isn't Lebron > Kobe?

Look at the alltime scoring list and tell me who sits at #4 and then tell me where Lebron is.

[Koolaid_Man]

Let me ask you something, what age was Shaq at and what age was Kobe at? The league was obviously moving towards a perimeter game, and coupled with Shaq's age, it should have been an easy decision to pick Kobe over Shaq, but it wasn't, it took Shaq screaming at Buss in a game to prompt Buss to pull the trigger.

History would have remembered Kobe the way you described it (incorrectly, I might add) if he wasn't exposed last year with his horrible leadership and how the Lakers struggled without MVPau.

BTW, plenty of teams picked the wrong guy over the years. Cleveland let go of Kevin Johnson to hold onto Mark Price, Philly let Barkley go, the Lakers let D12 walk ... oh wait, scratch that last one.


It's Kobe

TOSB 4
Shaq 4
Bron 2
Dwight 0

Deal with it. Get over your issues.

[ambchang]

Look at the alltime scoring list and tell me who sits at #4 and then tell me where Lebron is.

Why are you don't all time now? You quoted per game in your OP.


It's Kobe

TOSB 4
Shaq 4
Bron 2
Dwight 0

Deal with it. Get over your issues.

Your OP had nothing to do with rings. It was all about ppg.

[Koolaid_Man]

Why are you don't all time now? You quoted per game in your OP.



Your OP had nothing to do with rings. It was all about ppg.


Bron's slight edge in scoring when he played no elite defenders in the Leastern conference is like cake without the frosting...sweet but just not sweet enough....

[Arnold Toht]

Shaq replaced Kobe with Wade and still won

Kobe replaced Shaq with Pau and still won, two times over.


Makes me wonder.

[hehateme]

Kobe replaced Shaq with Pau and still won, two times over.


Makes me wonder.

Say hello to 2005/2006/2007...

let us proceed.

[Double-Up]

lol @ not including FG% :lol

[z0sa]

err..nice try..but come again...Kobe was doubled on the wings while Shaq was doubled in the post....ball drop into Shaq he's doubled....never tripled unless he was trapped and the opposing team was being opportunistic....but this happens to every NBA player no X's and O's NBA coach will use a triple team strategy to the detriment of their team..again you're spewing non sense and cannot back up your claims :lol...back to my point on occasions the ball went into Shaq he got doubled...

You say I'm full of shit.... then immediately rephrase "Shaq got doubled and tripled every time down the court" in your own words.


Your whole argument is like putty...it's like you couldn't think of a legit comeback to my OP so you just started rambling on incoherently about all kinds of silly shit...:lol

:lol silly is thinking Shaq ain't the biggest outside influence on 15 and 16, tbh..

[Joseph Kony]

Koolaid making himself like a complete fool who knows nothing about intelligent basketball conversation as usual :lol

[DMC]

Kobe replaced Shaq with Pau and still won, two times over.


Makes me wonder.

No. Not two times over. That would be six rings. He won twice. He didn't replace Shaq with Pau. Phil got another dominant big and kept Kobe to sell tickets to the mexicans.

[ambchang]

Bron's slight edge in scoring when he played no elite defenders in the Leastern conference is like cake without the frosting...sweet but just not sweet enough....

And I just quote again.


Scoring is the holy grail in all sports.

Scoring against a 36 year old Steve smith :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bryant without Gasol or O'Neal: 121-125. Missed the playoffs once and outed in the first round twice by the Suns. I don't know which is worse, tbh.