GMs speak: Who is the toughest player in the NBA?

[Arnold Toht]

Who is the toughest player in the NBA?1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers -- 31.0%
2. David West, Indiana -- 13.8%
3. Nick Collison, Oklahoma City; Kenneth Faried, Denver; Kevin Garnett, Brooklyn -- 6.9%
Also receiving votes: Tony Allen, Memphis; Matt Barnes, L.A. Clippers; Reggie Evans, Brooklyn; Udonis Haslem, Miami; LeBron James, Miami; Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio; Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers; Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota; Zach Randolph, Memphis; Metta World Peace, New York

Armchair GM's here will state otherwise, obviously.

[elmanutres]

:lol voted the toughest player yet his achilles says otherwise

[Arnold Toht]

I'm sure he's mentally tough enough to not miss 2 layups in game 7, championship on the line.

[elmanutres]

:lol most overrated "clutch" player.
Lower playoffs clutch % than lebron and jordan
Most missed fg attempts


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[DMC]

I'd probably agree. Dude's not been hurt much, if at all. Every other team has their stars in and out of the rotation for injuries almost on a yearly basis. Kobe's been pretty damn tough, but as far as playing injured, no one beats Steve Nash. I don't see how anyone could even come close except Manu.

[ElNono]

From the same guys...


Which team will win the Western Conference?

1. San Antonio -- 40.0%

2. Oklahoma City -- 36.7%

3. L.A. Clippers -- 20.0%

4. Houston -- 3.3%

Last year: L.A. Lakers -- 60.0%

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[Clipper Nation]

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[ShinerBlack]

does toughest = longevity? seems like a list of guys who for the most part have been around for a while

[DMC]

does toughest = longevity? seems like a list of guys who for the most part have been around for a while

I think toughest = works harder in the gym than anyone (it's accepted in the NBA that Kobe spends more time in the gym than anyone else), in minutes played, in taking contact in the paint and still making it to the next game.

Coaches would probably agree. No one here has said he's not a tough bastard, just that he's a selfish one and was groomed to be the heir apparent which he's not. Had he not suffered the MJ comparisons his entire career (likely his own doing), his legacy looks much brighter.

[Sean Cagney]

MAVS FAN once again on KIRBYS DICK.......

[TDMVPDPOY]

tough players....dont get hit in the face straight up by a scrub

[ShinerBlack]

I think toughest = works harder in the gym than anyone (it's accepted in the NBA that Kobe spends more time in the gym than anyone else), in minutes played, in taking contact in the paint and still making it to the next game.

Coaches would probably agree. No one here has said he's not a tough bastard, just that he's a selfish one and was groomed to be the heir apparent which he's not. Had he not suffered the MJ comparisons his entire career (likely his own doing), his legacy looks much brighter.
then this list carries no weight. Cojo can put in the work at the gym but he will never be Parker let alone Payton, Kidd, or Nash. i cant take a list seriously where Nick Collison is ranked anywhere near Kobe, whether its for being tough or not.

[ShinerBlack]

tough players....dont get hit in the face straight up by a scrub
Chris Childs asks what about in the neck?

[AchillesHeel]

Which team will win the Pacific Division?

1. L.A. Clippers -- 89.7%
2. Golden State -- 10.3%
Last year: L.A. Lakers -- 96.7%


Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?

1. James Harden, Houston -- 56.7%
2. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers -- 20.0%
3. Stephen Curry, Golden State; Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City; Paul George, Indiana -- 6.7%
6. Dwyane Wade, Miami -- 3.3%
Last year: Kobe Bryant -- 66.7%


LOL KD and curry SGs

Which team made the best overall moves this offseason?

1. Houston -- 55.2%
2. Brooklyn -- 24.1%
3. L.A. Clippers -- 10.3%
Also receiving votes: Boston, Indiana, Oklahoma City
Last year: L.A. Lakers -- 86.2%


Which player is the best leader?

1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio -- 30.0%
2. Kevin Garnett, Brooklyn -- 23.3%
3. Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers -- 16.7%
4. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 10.0%
Also receiving votes: Chauncey Billups, Detroit; Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers; Derek Fisher, Oklahoma City; LeBron James, Miami; Tony Parker, San Antonio; Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City

Last year: Chris Paul -- 27.6%


Which player has the best basketball IQ?

1. Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers -- 33.3%
2. Steve Nash, L.A. Lakers -- 16.7%
3. Tim Duncan, San Antonio; LeBron James, Miami -- 13.3%
5. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers; Rajon Rondo, Boston -- 6.7%
Also receiving votes: Marc Gasol, Memphis; Andrei Kirilenko, Brooklyn; Andre Miller, Denver
Last year: Steve Nash -- 27.6%

Which player would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?

1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 39.3%
2. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers -- 32.1%
3. Carmelo Anthony, New York; LeBron James, Miami -- 7.1%
Also receiving votes: Ray Allen, Miami; Manu Ginobili, San Antonio; Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas; Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers
Last year: Kevin Durant -- 46.7%

[ambchang]

Nash has a high basketball iq? Guys ever watch him drift on defense and go out of position for no reason?

[DMC]

then this list carries no weight. Cojo can put in the work at the gym but he will never be Parker let alone Payton, Kidd, or Nash. i cant take a list seriously where Nick Collison is ranked anywhere near Kobe, whether its for being tough or not.

"Can" and "have for the past 15 years" is two completely different things. You cannot include people who could have. You only include people who have. It's not about ability. Manu has ability, but he's frail and fragile. He's mentally tough, but not physically tough. Ron Artest is physically a beast, mentally a midget. Tim is mentally a beast, physically though he's injured a few games every season it seems.

So you have to consider longevity, their role, their minutes, what they deal with mentally day in and day out. I have no problem say Kobe is toughest in that area, and sure another person in his role could be as well, but it's a tough role.

[DMC]

Nash has a high basketball iq? Guys ever watch him drift on defense and go out of position for no reason?

Nash is a shitty defender, but not because he doesn't know what he should be doing. He understands the game as well as anyone, but like most PGs he's more focused on then offensive end.

[ambchang]

Nash is a shitty defender, but not because he doesn't know what he should be doing. He understands the game as well as anyone, but like most PGs he's more focused on then offensive end.

It may be true that Nash can try his best but still not be a lock down defender due to his athleticism, but he wouldn't be as bad as he has displayed the last decade.

He genuinely seemed clueless on the defensive end, drifting around and not guarding anyone or any spots for reason no one can explain, often for long stretches of the game.

[DMC]

It may be true that Nash can try his best but still not be a lock down defender due to his athleticism, but he wouldn't be as bad as he has displayed the last decade.

He genuinely seemed clueless on the defensive end, drifting around and not guarding anyone or any spots for reason no one can explain, often for long stretches of the game.

That's because he played for Mike D. It's not because of a lack of basketball IQ. A person who doesn't understand defenses cannot run the offense very well, as he has to predict and counter the defense he's facing. He might not play his role well, but that doesn't mean he doesn't understand it. Dejuan Blair, he doesn't understand it. Matt Bonner doesn't understand it. Smart guy, but doesn't understand the game.

[Rogue]

my nigga pierce has always been the toughest player of all time in my mind. nigga suffered 11 stabs in a nightclub yet only missed half the season, and came back stronger than ever. dude's tough as fuck tbh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How can people say Bryant has a high bball IQ when half of his shitty performances in clutch time have been because he cannot find the open man? Not trusting your teammates who have good shooting % and don't have a defender within 10 feet while you are being triple covered is a pretty clear sign of low bballIQ.

Kobe is great because he was a top athlete that could hit jumpers even under defensive pressure. We have seen guys like Raja Bell blanket him and he would still hit those jumpers. He doesn't make the guys around him better by refusing to pass the ball. High bballIQ my ass.

[Baseline]

Obviously the GMs thought the question was "toughest player in a Colorado hotel room."

[ambchang]

That's because he played for Mike D. It's not because of a lack of basketball IQ. A person who doesn't understand defenses cannot run the offense very well, as he has to predict and counter the defense he's facing. He might not play his role well, but that doesn't mean he doesn't understand it. Dejuan Blair, he doesn't understand it. Matt Bonner doesn't understand it. Smart guy, but doesn't understand the game.

I can't blame it all on mike d. He had other coaches in his career and his d always stunk. Just because he can read defense and counter accordingly doesn't mean he can play it himself.

If he actually understands d and still refused to play it he that would make him even dumber.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

You have to be tough to take it up the ass from the media like Kobe does.

[DMC]

I can't blame it all on mike d. He had other coaches in his career and his d always stunk. Just because he can read defense and counter accordingly doesn't mean he can play it himself.

If he actually understands d and still refused to play it he that would make him even dumber.

No, that would make him lazier. Understanding it automatically rules out the dumbness, unless you're equivocating "dumb" with "stupid", which would be completely different than IQ.

[Phillip]

MAVS FAN once again on KIRBYS DICK.......

lol trolled
lol thinking arnold is a mavs fan
lol faggot

[OKC]

Pekovic is a tough MFer.

[Leetonidas]

From the same guys...


Which team will win the Western Conference?

1. San Antonio -- 40.0%

2. Oklahoma City -- 36.7%

3. L.A. Clippers -- 20.0%

4. Houston -- 3.3%

Last year: L.A. Lakers -- 60.0%

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