Manu Is Not Injury Prone. He could have carried a team as a #1 Option

[Gino-Step]

T-Mac, Gilbert Arenas, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter all logged high minutes and all got injured in their early 30's and careers were never the same. Yet they were fully capable health wise of "carrying" their team in their 20's.

The fact that Manu also got injured in his 30's does not mean it is correct to say "Man look at this dude. If he's crashing with injuries like this, imagine if he was actually logging high minutes. He would have never been able to carry a team in his prime simply cause he can't handle the workload".

That is absolutely false. This dude first got his major injury in 2008 playoffs as a 31 year old man. That is not earlier than most athletes. It is normal to expect injury potentially starting at that age. Some a little earlier (Amare, Gilbert), some later.

When Manu was healthy and in his absolute prime (2004-2008), health was not the reason he didn't play more than 30 minutes a game. it was the system, the environment, and Manu playing efficient, selfless basketball. This man is such a genius he fking teaches Math to kids as his charity endeavor. Not fking buying high schools jerseys and shoes like most athletes. He teaches math. Advanced stats that shit.

So stop writing revisionist history like this dude in his prime couldn't carry a team cause of health. He's lasted a hell of a lot longer than most players in the league.

[ElNono]

sup Gino-Step... how's your dog, tbh?

[dbreiden83080]

Whatever..

[G-Dawgg]

HE DID carry our team as the number one option for a few years.........

[Skull-1]

HE DID carry our team as the number one option for a few years.........

And we didn't win jack squat in those years. Tim is still the lynchpin.

[G-Dawgg]

I don't give a shit. I was simply stating that Ginobili has been the first option in the past. Also if winning 50+ games in each of those seasons and being a playoff team is jack shit, then I guess we sucked really bad those seasons huh? Lol

[jag]

WAT?

[Spur-Addict]

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[Skull-1]

I don't give a shit. I was simply stating that Ginobili has been the first option in the past. Also if winning 50+ games in each of those seasons and being a playoff team is jack shit, then I guess we sucked really bad those seasons huh? Lol


Also rans....

[rascal]

Any team with Manu as their best player is a lottery team.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Any team with Manu as their best player is a lottery team.

Cept that Argentina national team in 04, huh?

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Any team with Manu as their best player is a lottery team.

Prime Manu is a lot better than you are giving him credit.

[Kool Bob Love]

At one time he almost did. (2005)

Right now he is behind Tim And Parker.

[Johnny RIngo]

Manu Is Not Injury Prone.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2013/01/12-13ManuInjuries.jpg

The chart needs to be updated for all the games he missed last year

[SpurSpurSpurs]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2013/01/12-13ManuInjuries.jpg

The chart needs to be updated for all the games he missed last year

Where to write? There is no space available to update it. :depressed

[cd021]

Any team with Manu as their best player is a lottery team.

That is laughable. In a 6 year span his average P.E.R was 23 (during his 6 year contract ). Parkers P.E.R. last was 23 for reference. In other words he was a elite player for a stretch of 6 seasons.

[cd021]

Manu was the leading scorer on the 10-11 team. We won 61 games...

Carried us to the playoffs the prior season with Duncan in decline, Parker's broken hand and RJ being a massive disappointment in his 1st season.

[Johnny RIngo]

Manu was the leading scorer on the 10-11 team. We won 61 games...

Carried us to the playoffs the prior season with Duncan in decline, Parker's broken hand and RJ being a massive disappointment in his 1st season.

The same 2011 season when we lost to an 8th seed? Yeah, great example there. Definitely proves Manu can lead a team to an embarrassing playoff exit.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

The same 2011 season when we lost to an 8th seed? Yeah, great example there. Definitely proves Manu can lead a team to an embarrassing playoff exit.

You seriously can't be so dense dude. Like seriously man?

[Johnny RIngo]

That is laughable. In a 6 year span his average P.E.R was 23 (during his 6 year contract ). Parkers P.E.R. last was 23 for reference. In other words he was a elite player for a stretch of 6 seasons.

PER is a per minute stat so it favors guys like Manu. Make Ginobili the number one option on a team and his minutes will go up...which will eventually lead to multiple injuries. Manu should count himself lucky to play for a coach like Pop who's carefully managed his minutes throughout his career. On any other team, Manu would have had a career ending injury by now.

[cd021]

The same 2011 season when we lost to an 8th seed? Yeah, great example there. Definitely proves Manu can lead a team to an embarrassing playoff exit.

Yeah...The same year Manu averaged 20 ppg and 5 apg against the best perimeter defender in the NBA in the playoffs. He also was playing with a broken right arm.

Duncan also averaged only 13 points. RJ played so badly he got benched, even though he was our only SF. Parker struggled & ZBo had a fantastic series.

You wanna tell me again how that isn't an great example...:lol
You wanna

[Johnny RIngo]

Yeah...The same year Manu averaged 20 ppg and 5 apg against the best perimeter defender in the NBA in the playoffs. He also was playing with a broken right arm.

Duncan also averaged only 13 points. RJ played so badly he got benched, even though he was our only SF. Parker struggled & ZBo had a fantastic series.

You wanna tell me again how that isn't an great example...:lol
You wanna

So, basically, Manu wasn't good enough to carry the team past the first round...against an 8th seed. Franchise players will take over games. Manu couldn't. Again, Ginobili's a solid player but this nonsense about him being a first option calibre player is ridiculous. He's best utlizied as a 2nd option/3rd option on a contender. As a first option, he'll fall apart on your team due to the heavy minutes and you'll have another 2011 fiasco.

It's no coincidence that the Spurs suddenly became contenders again after Duncan turned the clock back last year. Like always, the Spurs go as far as TD can take them.

[Diego20]

So, basically, Manu wasn't good enough to carry the team past the first round...against an 8th seed. Franchise players will take over games. Manu couldn't. Again, Ginobili's a solid player but this nonsense about him being a first option calibre player is ridiculous. He's best utlizied as a 2nd option/3rd option on a contender. As a first option, he'll fall apart on your team due to the heavy minutes and you'll have another 2011 fiasco.

It's no coincidence that the Spurs suddenly became contenders again after Duncan turned the clock back last year. Like always, the Spurs go as far as TD can take them.

What about 2005? 2007? He didn't lead us to the finals right?

[rascal]

Cept that Argentina national team in 04, huh?

I am talking about the NBA, no lottery on the national teams.

[rascal]

What about 2005? 2007? He didn't lead us to the finals right?

No, Duncan lead the team to the finals. Manu never even averaged 20 points a game, plus too many missed games and down minutes. You are not helping the team when you are on the bench and manu spends too much time on the bench as compared to other real top stars in the league. Duncan has always been the better player. Duncan lead the team as the money player those years.

[cd021]

So, basically, Manu wasn't good enough to carry the team past the first round...against an 8th seed. Franchise players will take over games. Manu couldn't. Again, Ginobili's a solid player but this nonsense about him being a first option calibre player is ridiculous. He's best utlizied as a 2nd option/3rd option on a contender. As a first option, he'll fall apart on your team due to the heavy minutes and you'll have another 2011 fiasco. It's no coincidence that the Spurs suddenly became contenders again after Duncan turned the clock back last year. Like always, the Spurs go as far as TD can take them. Its like you didn't even read my comment. Manu had a good series, while playing with a broken right arm. Parker, Duncan, & RJ all struggled in that series. IMO George Hill was the second best Spur in that series. That coupled with Zbo's great series and Gasol and Conley being handfuls it was still a close series. I believe 3 games (that we lost) were still up in the air in the final 5 minutes of the game. We lost 1 because Manu didn't play and RJ clanked an open 3 to tie and force OT in San Antonio. Sometimes teams are simply better than their record. In 05 Denver set the record for best post All-Star break record and still were the 7th seed. GSW had an stacked roster that barely made the post season (ironically because Dallas rested their players against them on the final night of the season) and the beat a 67-15 Dallas team that had went to the finals the year before. Point being there is no shame in losing to an 8th seed in some occasions. Memphis was one such occasion. Duncans return to form was a big part, but Splitter, Green, and Leonard along with Diaw off the bench helped propel the Spurs from 11th in defensive rating to 3rd with virtually the same squad. It isn't some indictment on Manu's greatness.

[JRHernandez88]

Manu was first option in 2011, that season was beautiful as fk to watch :cry



i literally did not miss a single game that season, had me every single game like :corn:



averaged 20 points a game against one of the toughest defenses and perimeter defenders we have in the game... with a broken arm :bang


ya he could have...

[JRHernandez88]

The same 2011 season when we lost to an 8th seed? Yeah, great example there. Definitely proves Manu can lead a team to an embarrassing playoff exit.

my bad didnt read the whole thread before i posted but really? Dude broke his arm the last game of the season http://imageshack.us/a/img16/6718/4qle9w.png

[Johnny RIngo]

What about 2005? 2007? He didn't lead us to the finals right?

In what way was Manu the first option on those teams? You just proved my point. Manu's most useful as a second-option sidekick to a much better star(Tim Duncan). I will concede that Manu was ALMOST as good as Tim in 2005. Best sidekick Duncan's ever had besides '99 DRob.


my bad didnt read the whole thread before i posted but really? Dude broke his arm the last game of the season

Which is why he wouldn't make a very good first option. He couldn't handle the strain of an 82 game season in 2011.


Its like you didn't even read my comment. Manu had a good series, while playing with a broken right arm. Parker, Duncan, & RJ all struggled in that series. IMO George Hill was the second best Spur in that series. That coupled with Zbo's great series and Gasol and Conley being handfuls it was still a close series. I believe 3 games (that we lost) were still up in the air in the final 5 minutes of the game. We lost 1 because Manu didn't play and RJ clanked an open 3 to tie and force OT in San Antonio. Sometimes teams are simply better than their record. In 05 Denver set the record for best post All-Star break record and still were the 7th seed. GSW had an stacked roster that barely made the post season (ironically because Dallas rested their players against them on the final night of the season) and the beat a 67-15 Dallas team that had went to the finals the year before. Point being there is no shame in losing to an 8th seed in some occasions. Memphis was one such occasion. Duncans return to form was a big part, but Splitter, Green, and Leonard along with Diaw off the bench helped propel the Spurs from 11th in defensive rating to 3rd with virtually the same squad. It isn't some indictment on Manu's greatness.

Sounds like a lot of excuses in order to justify losing to an 8th seed. It's because of the failure of the 2011 Spurs that SA still has a reputation as a regular season team.

Duncan was surrounded by crap for most of the early 2000s and he still carried the team deep in the playoffs in 2001 and 2002. That's what a franchise player will do for your team. Manu was NEVER a franchise player. The 2005 playoffs is the only time Ginobili ever came close to looking like one but he was never able to replicate that performance in the following years. There's nothing wrong with being considered a 2nd option talent though. Scotty Pippen's one of the all-time greats and he was a sidekick his entire career. If it's good enough for Scotty, it's good enough for Manu.

[Diego20]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Diego20 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6915759#post6915759)
Its like you didn't even read my comment. Manu had a good series, while playing with a broken right arm. Parker, Duncan, & RJ all struggled in that series. IMO George Hill was the second best Spur in that series. That coupled with Zbo's great series and Gasol and Conley being handfuls it was still a close series. I believe 3 games (that we lost) were still up in the air in the final 5 minutes of the game. We lost 1 because Manu didn't play and RJ clanked an open 3 to tie and force OT in San Antonio. Sometimes teams are simply better than their record. In 05 Denver set the record for best post All-Star break record and still were the 7th seed. GSW had an stacked roster that barely made the post season (ironically because Dallas rested their players against them on the final night of the season) and the beat a 67-15 Dallas team that had went to the finals the year before. Point being there is no shame in losing to an 8th seed in some occasions. Memphis was one such occasion. Duncans return to form was a big part, but Splitter, Green, and Leonard along with Diaw off the bench helped propel the Spurs from 11th in defensive rating to 3rd with virtually the same squad. It isn't some indictment on Manu's greatness.

Lol? I did not say this, it was someone else.

[Johnny RIngo]

quoted the wrong name. Fixed now.