Diaw aggressiveness buy or sell ? [Archive]

Brazil

10-31-2013, 08:15 AM

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gametracker/recap/NBA_20131030_MEM@SA

After frustrating Popovich by being a pass-first player last season, Diaw was aggressively seeking his shot while going 6 for 9 against the Grizzlies.
''He went and talked to a guru in India or something,'' Popovich said. ''I don't know what he did, but he catches and shoots now. I got nothing to do with it. I've been begging him since he got here. His previous coaches have begged him. All of a sudden he's a catch-and-shoot guy. It's continued and we're happy about it.''

Diaw being aggressive could be a significant improvement for the Spurs for this new season. Now we already saw Boris being aggressive for some stretches before but he always went back to his former self quickly.

Being aggressive consistently is hard work for a guy like him who is not a natural, can he keep up during 82+ games ? Good news is he has been aggressive during the whole Euro but NBA is a different animal with games every two days during 6 months.

Thoughts ?

TrainOfThought5

10-31-2013, 08:16 AM

TL;DR

sell sell sell

silverblackfan

10-31-2013, 08:19 AM

Sell! Sell! I don't think it is in his nature to stay this aggressive.

freetiago

10-31-2013, 08:22 AM

as long as he does it in the playoffs idc

Andthentherewas21

10-31-2013, 08:31 AM

Brazil

10-31-2013, 08:39 AM

Showed the same thing last year in flashes, problem is it wasn't something he sustained. I'm all for him being more aggressive, but like everyone I'll believe in him more when he shows it on a consistent basis rather than a game here or there

compared to last years, situation is a bit different. He confirmed in interviews during the summer that he wanted to be more aggressive, as far as I know he never acknowledged before so clearly that was a problem. He was the leader with Tony of the FNT who just won Euro, his team really needed him to be more aggressive and he did just that. I don't believe he will maintain consistently his aggression level because it's really hard work to go against his nature but I believe he will put more effort into it than previous seasons.

UZER

10-31-2013, 08:41 AM

Sell. Its not his nature.

weebo

10-31-2013, 08:48 AM

Maybe being so close to ringing last year lit a fire under his ass or maybe he's just looking to get paid somewhere....in either case it could be a win-win for the Spurs

Spur-Addict

10-31-2013, 08:53 AM

Buy. Even though it's not inherent to him mentally, it's better for his game, and the team, for him to continue to put pressure on the defense. My only issues is consistently settling for outside jumpers. Aside from that, be aggressive.

boutons_deux

10-31-2013, 09:03 AM

BD's a keeper. The real proof for me of his aggresivemess is if he ups his rebounding.

bklynspursfan

10-31-2013, 09:11 AM

I buy it for sure. He's a smart guy

ThaBigFundamental21

10-31-2013, 09:49 AM

Sell considering he has a decade or so of not being aggressive in the NBA. I don't think he can just flip a switch. He is what he is.

look_at_g_shred

10-31-2013, 09:51 AM

Sell

elemento

10-31-2013, 10:03 AM

SELL

Indian Guru also known as his agent. Contract year doing wonders per usual .

Raven

10-31-2013, 10:13 AM

buy tbh

Darkwaters

10-31-2013, 10:14 AM

Sell.

I've seen this movie before.

racm

10-31-2013, 10:19 AM

I'd sell but the guy has been balling since the Finals

It's like Tony got on his ass or something.

wildbill2u

10-31-2013, 10:25 AM

This team would be great if Diaw would take more responsibility on the offensive end by balancing his contributions. Maybe he needs hypnosis that would give him a mantra word that would trigger a shot. All our players would know the word and could shout it out when he needs to shoot.

SHOOT! ought to do it.

Aus10

10-31-2013, 10:42 AM

Buy! Diaw 2.0

Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

10-31-2013, 10:52 AM

I think winning France's first Euro championship has alot to do with it. I watched the Finals and Boris played the same exact way. I hope he turned a corner, but unless he does this at least 60-70% of the time, I am just hopeful at this point.

Skull-1

10-31-2013, 10:53 AM

Buy but made need an update to Diaw 2.1 when the interface has issues later in the season.

Hoops Czar

10-31-2013, 11:57 AM

SELL

Indian Guru also known as his agent. Contract year doing wonders per usual .

That would make it a BUY, if you believe he's doing it for a contract,

TXstbobcat

10-31-2013, 12:00 PM

If Diaw going all out for his next contract helps the spurs get back to the finals then I am buying.

elemento

10-31-2013, 12:53 PM

That would make it a BUY, if you believe he's doing it for a contract,

For this season maybe, but once he gets a new contract, I don't think he will keep this new agressive Boris Diaw.

So buy now, sell next season :toast

cd021

10-31-2013, 03:07 PM

Buy.

If shooting when he's open, or driving with scoring as his first option and passing as his 2nd option then its a pretty simple thing. I think if it were the opposite way score first pass second it would be much tougher. He will be better this season.

KL2

10-31-2013, 03:18 PM

Buy, I think being in the finals and just barely losing lit a fire under him. He's also got to compete with newly acquired Ayers for playing time as well.

HarlemHeat37

10-31-2013, 03:24 PM

Sell, can't imagine Diaw sustaining it..

An aggressive Diaw is a huge piece for a contending team, tbh, his skill-set is rare in today's league..a big with solid post-up skills, arguably the best passing big man in the league, he can defend big 3s and does a decent job against 5s, can make the 3-point shot..like Lamar Odom, these guys are always x-factors, but their mentality holds them back..

Diaw passing up shots stalls the offense and puts the other players in shitty positions too often, tbh..it's frustrating to watch him neglect his mismatch in the post and passing up shooting lanes, tbh..

I'm a little optimistic though, because losing in a game 7 in the NBA Finals could be a wake-up call for a player with Diaw's talent..that's the closest he's ever been to winning in the NBA, I imagine it left a poor taste in his mouth, it's possible he realizes how much of a mismatch he could cause if he displayed constant aggression..

It also appears that he's in pretty good shape, which is obviously a premium..

r0drig0lac

10-31-2013, 04:29 PM

Buy but made need an update to Diaw 2.1 when the interface has issues later in the season.

:lol

exstatic

10-31-2013, 07:30 PM

Buy. He was just as pissed as anyone at the Finals, and fired up by Tony in the Euro Championship.

Johnny RIngo

10-31-2013, 07:40 PM

Sell.

I've seen this movie before.

Yup. Suns fans had this same conversation years ago. Ask any one of 'em.

PlayNando

10-31-2013, 07:44 PM

Brazil

10-31-2013, 09:02 PM

Yup. Suns fans had this same conversation years ago. Ask any one of 'em.

As pointed out by Harlem the fact that he stopped eating at whataburger everyday is a positive sign. Since his suns years, he gained experience and maturity. His role during FNT run showed he can force a bit his nature. I don't think he will sustain it consistently but he will try and will enter in the pos with the good attitude IMHO

Bruno could confirm it or not but usually in his interviews he never recognized his passivity, it was more: this is how I see playing basketball looking for teammates not forcing shots etc... Lately he has a much more aggressive approach.

Lets hope he will keep up the aggression, it could be huge for the Spurs

KL2

10-31-2013, 09:12 PM

Buy. I think being so close to becoming a champion lit a fire under his ass, made him hungry, or hungrier... He's also got to compete with Ayers for playing time.

Spur|n|Austin

10-31-2013, 09:25 PM

I wish I could say buy, but I'd have to sell it - there have been flashes of this Diaw in the past. Regardless, his play has been great since the playoffs and I'll take it; love his BBIQ.

ElNono

11-01-2013, 02:10 AM

people and players change... the diaw from 2 years ago wouldn't have helped France like he did this summer... it's ok to be skeptic, but I like what I've seen so far.

The Reckoning

11-01-2013, 02:19 AM

he's got the french connection. but he's still a lazy frenchman. sell high.

weeks

11-01-2013, 05:02 AM

buy.

he now has a 'thirst' for titles.

it's on like donkey kong.

SanDiegoSpursFan

11-01-2013, 06:04 AM

Sell

He might turn it up during the playoffs, but 82 games is a lot.

boutons_deux

11-01-2013, 06:06 AM

BD needs to understand, psychologically, that he can be a game changer, take full responsibility for winning.

That's what worries me about Baynes, he just looks dumb and disinterested, going through the motions without taking responsibility, without investing himself.

will_spurs

11-01-2013, 07:48 AM

Buy. I think being so close to a title just to lose it can be a life-changing event. It's easy to lose sight of the target when it's never within reach. But when it is and you let it go away, that can lead to quite a few sleepless nights full of "what ifs" and a real behaviour change. He showed it at the Euro. If he managed to convince himself that being more aggressive would be better for the team, then I think he can sustain it.

It's the difference between quitting smoking for a few days before your gf wants it, and quitting for good because you've made the decision on your own.

Strategic

11-01-2013, 09:02 AM

Looks like a keeper :ihit but keeping my finger on the trigger :makemyday.

Brazil

11-01-2013, 02:18 PM

going to be interesting, Boris will start the game with Tiago with Timmy ruled out. I do expect a double digit FGAs, I'd say 12 to 14 would be adequate

Obstructed_View

11-02-2013, 12:20 AM

Two could still be a coincidence, and three's a trend. So far, so good. Keep it up, Boris.

PlayNando

11-02-2013, 12:21 AM

DIAW = GREATNESS.

Quit oppressing the fatty, Pop. Pop's anti-French nationalism needs to stop.

Obstructed_View

11-02-2013, 12:24 AM

DIAW = GREATNESS.

Quit oppressing the fatty, Pop. Pop's anti-French nationalism needs to stop.

I mentioned this in the game thread, and you apparently didn't read it. To sum up: Some of your posts are pretty good, but not so good to save you from being blocked. This stupid anti-French schtick needs to die.

PlayNando

11-02-2013, 12:27 AM

I mentioned this in the game thread, and you apparently didn't read it. To sum up: Some of your posts are pretty good, but not so good to save you from being blocked. This stupid anti-French schtick needs to die.
:lmao

FkLA

11-02-2013, 12:30 AM

Like FkLA said:

A motivated, aggressive Boris Diaw>David Lee. Niggas laughed at me but Boris the Animal is making me look more and more like a genius tbh.

Obstructed_View

11-02-2013, 12:34 AM

NO PRISON CAN HOLD MEH!

will_spurs

11-02-2013, 01:12 AM

but Boris the Animal is making me look more and more like a genius tbh.

It's going to take a lot more than that to make you look like a genius. What about Hill >>>>> Parker?

FkLA

11-02-2013, 01:26 AM

It's going to take a lot more than that to make you look like a genius. What about Hill >>>>> Parker?

I never said Hill was a better player than Parker tbh. But youre a Parker homer so Im not surprised you twisted up what I said.

Boomersgold

11-02-2013, 01:37 AM

Looks like he did in his Phoenix days.

will_spurs

11-02-2013, 01:39 AM

I never said Hill was a better player than Parker tbh.

That's true, sometimes I confuse your takes with TJastal's. You were the one saying we should trade Parker because Hill could handle the load as a PG. My bad.

:D

FkLA

11-02-2013, 02:47 AM

Parker won me over last year tbh. I felt he could lead us to the Finals even though a lot of people thought he wasnt good enough, thats why I was so hard on him cause he had a tendency to disappear on the big stage. No more Parker hate from me though. Plus Kawhi>>>Hill.

ShinerBlack

11-02-2013, 03:06 AM

Buy. He plays under control even when aggressive.

ThaBigFundamental21

11-02-2013, 03:33 AM

will_spurs

11-02-2013, 05:42 AM

Parker had the tendency to disappear. But he won you over? Oh the irony after last years finals.

He carried the team all the way to the last few seconds of Game 6. But obviously he underperformed by Spurs fans standards.

Darkwaters

11-02-2013, 06:01 AM

BUY BUY BUY

Diaw should be starting. Pop's anti-French nationalism is showing as he is oppressing Diaw.

Yea, Pop is a francophobe. That's why we have almost any many frenchies as ami's.

ThaBigFundamental21

11-02-2013, 09:12 AM

He carried the team all the way to the last few seconds of Game 6. But obviously he underperformed by Spurs fans standards.

I see you forgot about 3-12 game 7?

bklynspursfan

11-02-2013, 09:31 AM

I see you forgot about 3-12 game 7?

Did you forget he wasn't himself after injuring his hamstring? I mean he just didn't have the same burst he did prior to that

will_spurs

11-02-2013, 09:52 AM

I see you forgot about 3-12 game 7?

I see you forgot that there shouldn't even have been a game 7 if ANYBODY had stepped up or if Pop didn't have a major brainfart.

ThaBigFundamental21

11-02-2013, 09:55 AM

I see you forgot that there shouldn't even have been a game 7 if ANYBODY had stepped up or if Pop didn't have a major brainfart.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

will_spurs

11-02-2013, 10:02 AM

Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

You played too much football. Brain damage is such a terrible thing.

Raven

11-02-2013, 11:57 AM

2/2 so far, let it fly boris

sinok

11-06-2013, 06:36 AM

Bump.
Well, Buy.

exstatic

11-06-2013, 08:18 AM

If anything, he was OVER aggressive against Denver, late in the game. They were trying to run out the clock, and he had an open 3, but there was like 10-12 seconds on the shot clock. He took it anyway. Pop was mad.

Buy.

Brazil

11-06-2013, 08:37 AM

so far so good tbh

He took 9 shots tonite in 26 mn thats not bad, didn't see him pass a lot of opportunities, I also liked effort in the rebounding department. Led the team in +/-

DMC

11-06-2013, 08:54 AM

Buy. I think he's comfortable in his role now and won't hesitate to shoot.

xmas1997

11-06-2013, 09:36 AM

Buy, he was aggressive on both ends of the floor.

LongtimeSpursFan

11-06-2013, 11:17 AM

Buy. Buy. Buy. I really like him looking for his shot. This guy is a big with great outside shoot that but can also put the ball on the floor. Great mismatch opportunity against other teams. I thought he looked pretty spry on defense.

justinandimcool

11-06-2013, 02:47 PM

IMO if he can keep this up he will be just as important as Kawhi regarding how far this team can go

HarlemHeat37

11-06-2013, 03:15 PM

IMO if he can keep this up he will be just as important as Kawhi regarding how far this team can go

Yep, especially considering Houston can't guard stretch 4s with Asik-Dwight, Clippers don't have a 3rd big and Pop will certainly use hack-a-Jordan to take him out of the game, and David Lee is one of the worst defensive players on the planet..

hater

11-06-2013, 03:32 PM

Diaw got comfortable. What is it, his 2nd, 3rd year here? I expect good things from him this season. One of the few bright spots on this otherwise Manure team

KL2

11-06-2013, 04:02 PM

He could possibly become the 6th man of the year as well as most improved player lmao.

Skull-1

11-06-2013, 04:10 PM

Diaw got comfortable. What is it, his 2nd, 3rd year here? I expect good things from him this season. One of the few bright spots on this otherwise Manure team
Oh come on, Hater. We are going to win the ring this year!!!! If you doubt that, you are a stupid, Manu-hating, inbred, idiotic fool who should turn in his Spurs Fan Card and root for some other team. *Insert Rolling of Eyes Here* LMAO!

Brazil

11-07-2013, 10:37 AM

http://troll.me/images/mah-nigga/my-nigga.jpg

FkLA right bout Boris tbh

Brazil

11-26-2013, 11:20 AM

pgardn

11-26-2013, 11:42 AM

Diaw got comfortable. What is it, his 2nd, 3rd year here? I expect good things from him this season. One of the few bright spots on this otherwise Manure team

Sure.

weeks

11-26-2013, 11:45 AM

I've been really happy with how Boris has responded to the loss last year. He said it changed him and we can see the evidence everyday. My pet spur, rockin out. Love his bbiq and his intelligence.

Interrohater

11-26-2013, 12:01 PM

I must be coming down with Boris-itis or Blair's Syndrome; every time I see someone say "bbiq" I think bbq and get hungry.

weeks

11-26-2013, 12:09 PM

I must be coming down with Boris-itis or Blair's Syndrome; every time I see someone say "bbiq" I think bbq and get hungry.

Oh man and it's lunch time for me, how perfect. I know what I'm getting. Messy fingers. Blair's Syndrome...Lmao. that needs to be a thing.

Skull-1

11-26-2013, 12:31 PM

Diaw got comfortable. What is it, his 2nd, 3rd year here? I expect good things from him this season. One of the few bright spots on this otherwise Manure team.

Stop bringing up Ginobili. This is a Diaw thread! :lmao

Chomag

11-26-2013, 02:13 PM

I wish he would get a few more rebounds while he was on the floor but I have been very impressed with his play this year.

Brazil

11-26-2013, 07:20 PM

I wish he would get a few more rebounds while he was on the floor but I have been very impressed with his play this year.

I agree it would help the team

Russo21

11-26-2013, 08:54 PM

MVP MVP

TampaDude

11-27-2013, 12:34 AM

Damn
It's
Another
Win

TXstbobcat

11-27-2013, 12:46 AM

Damn
It's
Another
Win

:flag:

HI-FI

11-27-2013, 02:00 AM

I thought I already posted in this thread but apparently not. I'm buying on Diaw's aggressiveness. I think he'll have some relapses throughout the season which will cause this thread to get bumped, but I think Diaw will bring it in the playoffs.

TheGoldStandard

11-27-2013, 02:05 AM

I think he has the green light this year which is a good thing.. He's not always looking to defer.

Fireball

11-27-2013, 06:54 AM

I think he has the green light this year which is a good thing.. He's not always looking to defer. Its just the inner green light he seems to have. Pop always wanted him to shoot more and be aggressive offensively, but Boris just was more into passing the ball before ...

Sean88888

11-27-2013, 10:04 AM

Buy. Contract year baby!

Kidd K

11-27-2013, 10:11 AM

Looks like Diaw's been able to keep up the aggressiveness and still has an impressive FG% too. 3pt shot is still not there but it's not to have an additional scorer the other team's going to have to worry about who can pass well too. Eventually it should pay off and open up the floor for other guys more.

Sell, can't imagine Diaw sustaining it..

An aggressive Diaw is a huge piece for a contending team, tbh, his skill-set is rare in today's league..a big with solid post-up skills, arguably the best passing big man in the league, he can defend big 3s and does a decent job against 5s, can make the 3-point shot..like Lamar Odom, these guys are always x-factors, but their mentality holds them back..

Diaw passing up shots stalls the offense and puts the other players in shitty positions too often, tbh..it's frustrating to watch him neglect his mismatch in the post and passing up shooting lanes, tbh..

I'm a little optimistic though, because losing in a game 7 in the NBA Finals could be a wake-up call for a player with Diaw's talent..that's the closest he's ever been to winning in the NBA, I imagine it left a poor taste in his mouth, it's possible he realizes how much of a mismatch he could cause if he displayed constant aggression..

It also appears that he's in pretty good shape, which is obviously a premium..

His offensive rating was always good though (2nd highest of his career each of the past two seasons and top 5 on the team in fact), so him "stalling the offense and putting other players in shitty positions" didn't impact the team negatively from a statistical standpoint (aka how many points the Spurs scored when he was on the floor).

His offensive rating is actually worse this year despite him shooting more and has dropped to 8th on the team. Taking the shot yourself isn't always best for the team even if you make it fairly often.

HarlemHeat37

11-27-2013, 10:38 AM

Looks like Diaw's been able to keep up the aggressiveness and still has an impressive FG% too. 3pt shot is still not there but it's not to have an additional scorer the other team's going to have to worry about who can pass well too. Eventually it should pay off and open up the floor for other guys more.

His offensive rating was always good though (2nd highest of his career each of the past two seasons and top 5 on the team in fact), so him "stalling the offense and putting other players in shitty positions" didn't impact the team negatively from a statistical standpoint (aka how many points the Spurs scored when he was on the floor).

His offensive rating is actually worse this year despite him shooting more and has dropped to 8th on the team. Taking the shot yourself isn't always best for the team even if you make it fairly often.

His usage % is 9% higher than last year, which is a historically large increase, tbh..generally speaking, your offensive rating takes a hit with increased usage and minutes, especially with such a large discrepancy..

Can't compare the offensive rating of a 21% usage player to a 12% usage player, tbh..

In the playoffs, Diaw had a 12% usage rate with a 107 offensive rating, which was pretty terrible compared to the team's production vs. players' usage ratings, tbh..

Kidd K

11-27-2013, 10:55 AM

His usage % is 9% higher than last year, which is a historically large increase, tbh..generally speaking, your offensive rating takes a hit with increased usage and minutes, especially with such a large discrepancy..

Can't compare the offensive rating of a 21% usage player to a 12% usage player, tbh..

In the playoffs, Diaw had a 12% usage rate with a 107 offensive rating, which was pretty terrible compared to the team's production vs. players' usage ratings, tbh..

107 is one point worse than his 108 this year.

His minutes and USG% are irrelevant to the debate actually because the debate is that he wasn't detrimental to the team because he passed up shots (as is reflected in his offensive rating). His USG% is only up because he's shooting the ball a lot more. That's literally the point. . . His minutes are also almost the exact same. Only up 1.4.

Despite taking and making shots, his offensive rating is actually lower. Like I said, sometimes just because a guy can hit shots doesn't mean it always helps more in the grand scheme.

I'm glad he's more aggressive and giving us an extra option, but the point is that he wasn't actually hurting the team in any way by passing the past two seasons. We still scored even better than we do now when he was doing that.

I agree with you that ORating tends to go down with increased minutes (minutes same here though) and of course with increased USG%, but again that's the point. Either way, I ain't saying he's bad this year since he's not, just that he wasn't harmful to the team the past two seasons by being passive.

Brazil

11-27-2013, 12:22 PM

107 is one point worse than his 108 this year.

His minutes and USG% are irrelevant to the debate actually because the debate is that he wasn't detrimental to the team because he passed up shots (as is reflected in his offensive rating). His USG% is only up because he's shooting the ball a lot more. That's literally the point. . . His minutes are also almost the exact same. Only up 1.4.

Despite taking and making shots, his offensive rating is actually lower. Like I said, sometimes just because a guy can hit shots doesn't mean it always helps more in the grand scheme.

I'm glad he's more aggressive and giving us an extra option, but the point is that he wasn't actually hurting the team in any way by passing the past two seasons. We still scored even better than we do now when he was doing that.

I agree with you that ORating tends to go down with increased minutes (minutes same here though) and of course with increased USG%, but again that's the point. Either way, I ain't saying he's bad this year since he's not, just that he wasn't harmful to the team the past two seasons by being passive.

The conclusion doesn't pass the eye test. He was far from being a liability last year, obviously but he was passing up open shots for, sometimes, a useless pass not bringing anything else to the offense making things more difficult for the others. The fact that his team mates somehow compensated and his ORating didn't change don't hide the issue. His assists per game are the same this year than last year, so the fact he is shooting more is not detrimental to his contribution to ball movement.

As already mentioned I prefer Diaw at 11 ppg at 0,54 than 6 ppg at 0,61.

Kidd K

11-27-2013, 04:07 PM

The conclusion doesn't pass the eye test. He was far from being a liability last year, obviously but he was passing up open shots for, sometimes, a useless pass not bringing anything else to the offense making things more difficult for the others. The fact that his team mates somehow compensated and his ORating didn't change don't hide the issue. His assists per game are the same this year than last year, so the fact he is shooting more is not detrimental to his contribution to ball movement.

As already mentioned I prefer Diaw at 11 ppg at 0,54 than 6 ppg at 0,61.

His assists aren't the same. Last year he got 2.4 assists and only 1.1 turnovers, this year 1.8 assists and 1.5 turnovers. Your rounding has glossed over the fact that he had 33% more assists last year. It's "just" 0.6, but that's still a 33% difference.

You can argue all you want about his passing not making a difference, but like I said, what he did was clearly not detrimental to the team's offense statistically as was suggested. He didn't need to take a bunch of shots because most of his teammates were better scorers. I'm glad he's more aggressive now, but him passing instead wasn't causing any ill effects. Most of the shots he passed on were threes which he isn't that good at anyway.

The "eye test" is one of the worst forms of measurement known to man. I can either use my eyes or I can use a measuring tool. If I only use my eyes, I'm never going to be entirely accurate. If I use a tool, I will be (as long as it's the right tool, which in this case it is). The only reason to only use just your eyes is if you don't have a tool available to measure for you (but in this case we do). You can't just ignore the facts after they've already been measured just because they don't support your observational opinion bro.

ohmwrecker

11-27-2013, 05:24 PM

You're a tool.

Brazil

11-27-2013, 06:33 PM

His assists aren't the same. Last year he got 2.4 assists and only 1.1 turnovers, this year 1.8 assists and 1.5 turnovers. Your rounding has glossed over the fact that he had 33% more assists last year. It's "just" 0.6, but that's still a 33% difference.

You can argue all you want about his passing not making a difference, but like I said, what he did was clearly not detrimental to the team's offense statistically as was suggested. He didn't need to take a bunch of shots because most of his teammates were better scorers. I'm glad he's more aggressive now, but him passing instead wasn't causing any ill effects. Most of the shots he passed on were threes which he isn't that good at anyway.

The "eye test" is one of the worst forms of measurement known to man. I can either use my eyes or I can use a measuring tool. If I only use my eyes, I'm never going to be entirely accurate. If I use a tool, I will be (as long as it's the right tool, which in this case it is). The only reason to only use just your eyes is if you don't have a tool available to measure for you (but in this case we do). You can't just ignore the facts after they've already been measured just because they don't support your observational opinion bro.

first of all I was comparing the 14 first games this year vs 14 or so games last year, so except I made a mistake I was not rounding anything just check my post.

Then for your last part so now stat tells the whole story... That's new to me tbh.

urunobili

11-27-2013, 08:09 PM

Manu is grabbing more rebounds as avg than Boris with the same minutes on the court... so sell

TheGoldStandard

11-27-2013, 10:14 PM

Well he might have relapsed into mental midget status, was not aggressive all night but instead pump faked his way out of open shots.

weeks

11-27-2013, 10:17 PM

regressed a little tonight, but was still pretty decent. that three at the end was like...NOW you make it?

Kidd K

11-27-2013, 11:21 PM

first of all I was comparing the 14 first games this year vs 14 or so games last year, so except I made a mistake I was not rounding anything just check my post.

Then for your last part so now stat tells the whole story... That's new to me tbh.

If you were talking about "14 games last year", it wasn't with me just now.

I also didn't say "stats told the whole story", I said it was stupid to throw out facts because they don't support your opinion that isn't based upon them, and that there was no reason to only use your eyes when you had facts available to see if what you initially thought was accurate or not.

You're a tool.

Misusing the term tool pretty much makes you one imo.

TheGoldStandard

11-27-2013, 11:27 PM

The pump fakes showed up again tonight. I hate those pump fakes.

ohmwrecker

11-28-2013, 11:55 PM

Stats aren't tools, they're data. Interpreting that data into applicable information requires a brain and eyes. Those are the tools. The "eye test" broadens a complete picture of information that stats alone cannot.

Brazil

12-03-2013, 07:11 AM

Dislocated finger ? no biggie for Boris the animal...

16 points on 7 of 9 shooting, with two rebounds, three assists, one block and one steal in 30 mn

time to create a church of Boris thread or is it still too soon ?

Spur|n|Austin

12-03-2013, 10:25 AM

I think he has the green light this year which is a good thing.. He's not always looking to defer.

I think he's pretty much always had the green light, he just chose to defer to his great passing skills. I'm not complaining one bit that he's letting it fly though; I'm almost shocked when he misses lately.

Kineto

12-04-2013, 03:41 AM

I just check his shooting stat on nba.com, very impressive, he should shoot more :rollin

He is 65% on 2pt%, and above 50% on long 2

His 3pt % is not very good at the moment, but I guess it will increase (he is 4 on 9 on the last 5 game)

Brazil

03-07-2014, 08:42 AM

14 games is not a bad sample... Dia aggressiveness by the numbers

in 2014
24 mn PG
9 FGAs
4 reb
11 PPG

in 2013 after 15 games
24 mn PG
4 FGAs
3,6 reb
6 ppg

First, Pop probably the greatest at managing pt, Diaw is playing the same exact number of mn per game than last year.
Second his APG is slightly below 2013 and his rebounding effort is about the same.
FGAs increase is quite impressive from 4 to 9 more than the double, FG% is decreasing obviously but still a solid 0.54. I'll take 2014 9 FGAs at 0.54 clip vs. 2013 4 FGAs at 0.61 twice a week and the week-end.

Diaw has been quite consistent all year in 2013 - 2014 between 4 and 5 FGAs with an increase in April to 6 FGAs PG.

ATM we are on a solid buy, hope Boris will keep up.

just a quick follow up

per 36 mn so far this season he is at 10,7 FGAs against 7 last year. He is shooting a solid >.55 As a result his ppg went from 9 to 14

all the other columns are pretty much the same, rebounds, assists, tov, FTAs etc...

So this interview was a BUY now we need that Boris for the POs.
When he is playing aggressive, this spurs team is a tough bone to swallow for opponents

ace3g

03-07-2014, 03:50 PM

Could someone translate this article:

http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/Actualites/Boris-diaw-repasse-a-l-offensive/447294

Spur|n|Austin

03-07-2014, 03:53 PM

Could someone translate this article:

http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/Actualites/Boris-diaw-repasse-a-l-offensive/447294

More or less..

Leader discreet often deleted in favor of the collective, Boris Diaw (31) carries an amazing season with the Spurs. In less than two years, the polymorphic inside has become essential for the proper functioning of the machine oiled by Gregg Popovich.

It's a bit as if he had lived several careers. There has been an athlete, winner of a dunk contest at the All-Star Game LNB, double champion of France and MVP with Pau-Orthez in the early 2000s. The apprentice in Atlanta, borrowed a little too clumsy for his NBA debut. The revelation in Phoenix, elected MIP (better progression of the year) in his first season in Arizona. The alone in Charlotte, where he missed less willpower and application support. The boss team of France, where he has always responded to this coronation last September.

In San Antonio, where he signed in March 2012 to join his friend Tony Parker (http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/Actualites/Diaw-rejoint-parker/272304) , Boris Diaw (http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/BasketFicheJoueur1583.html) was initially the perfect lieutenant. Excellent in a role of facilitator Swiss Army knife, but little inside shootait shootait well to spend better. Since then, "Babac" lived an outstanding campaign with the team of France where Vincent Collet urged him to take his chances in attack. He also took successive injuries Tiago Splitter (http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/BasketFicheJoueur4000000000003439.html) , then Kawhi Leonard (http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/BasketFicheJoueur5553.html) earlier this year to become increasingly important in offensive systems Gregg Popovich.Result: Compared to last season, Diaw has improved in every significant statistical categories (points, assists, rebounds, address). Then he finished 15 games over 10 points during 2012-2013, it has already doubled that total this season. Over the last 20 games, he surpassed this threshold 15 times!

"Everywhere I went, I was used as the creator explained Boris Diaw early season in our newspaper. I could play thirty minutes and take two shots. Spurs, in a system where I'm not here to play the team, if I do not shoot, I do not. "Plays While the Habs shoot plays ... and wins.Facing Miami the night Thursday to Friday (http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/Actualites/Il-faudra-encore-compter-sur-les-spurs/447111) , the Spurs have easily dominated the dual champions ( 111-87 (http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/BasketFicheMatch44740.html) ) in the wake of the French Interior (16 points 5/5, 8 rebounds and 5 assists) who once again managed to limit the impact of LeBron James (http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/BasketFicheJoueur4000000000003283.html) . The day before, Diaw had not missed any shoot (7/7 in 25 minutes) in Cleveland.

"It is more aggressive in attack, and that is exactly what is expected of him , welcomes Popovich. It was not like this last year. He tendency to rely on others to lack commitment near the basket. "Frustrated after a spring 2013 playoffs where he believes he would be more able to engage in attack, Diaw decided to apply San Antonio lessons learned during the last Euro. Encouraged by the coaching staff texan, his confidence, his playing time and scope in the rotation Spurs are soaring. His statistical line on the first week of March (15.3 points 69%, 7.7 rebounds and 3.3 assists) in the same hoisted the elite of the best 4 positions in the league. A judicious timing because Diaw is not aware that his contract expires at the end of this season.