Today some douche was trying to tell me

[Horse]

that kg is better than Duncan all-time. I think he's insane what do you guys think?

[Mugen]

I think it's time to make the donuts tbh.

[ElNono]

I think it's time to make the donuts tbh.

:lol

[benefactor]

I think it's time to make the donuts tbh.
...and use the grease for massage oil.

[SpursFan86]

He's definitely wrong, but KG is underrated IMO. Just because he was on a shitty Minnesota team during his prime, people act like he "wasn't good enough" to win titles. In his prime, KG was pretty damn close to being as good as prime Duncan. Duncan has far better longevity though, and also made a much bigger impact in his earlier years than KG did (primarily due to the fact KG came out of high school while Duncan was more polished coming out of Wake Forest).

[TXstbobcat]

Duncan has had a better basketball career than KG.

[Stabula]

This has never been discussed before. Novel. Truly novel.

[spurraider21]

One of them devoted his entire career to winning.

[spurs10]

.....and why are you allowing this guy to talk to you?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

You should have said, "For smack talking and being a bitch, I totally agree with you."

[Obstructed_View]

that kg is better than Duncan all-time. I think he's insane what do you guys think?

Well I guess aaanythiing is possbiuuuuuuullllllll

[Hoops Czar]

that kg is better than Duncan all-time. I think he's insane what do you guys think?

Back away from the horse. He's not your friend.

[The Weiner]

What everyone here is trying to say is... Cool fucking story you retarded fuck

[barakz21]

Speaking objectively? I Guess MAYBE he was as good as TD, but MAYBE he just didn't have it in him to be a franchise player. I mean, he didn't get the job done during crunch time. But to be fair, I never saw a lot of the wolves games during those years. In the end, isn't getting the job done at the most crucial time all that matters?

[phxspurfan]

KG was every bit as good as Duncan during his prime. But Duncan had two to four other hall of famers play with him throughout his career, and that has made the difference.


That, and the fact that Tim is, was and always will be better than KG.

[ohmwrecker]

Not even debatable, tbh.

[Kidd K]

KG was every bit as good as Duncan during his prime. But Duncan had two to four other hall of famers play with him throughout his career, and that has made the difference.


That, and the fact that Tim is, was and always will be better than KG.

um, other than David Robinson, what players did Duncan play with that were Hall of Fame caliber during years KG didn't play with HoF caliber players? Let's not forget KG went to Boston to play with Pierce and Allen (and Rondo) SIX years ago. So basically Duncan had a couple years with HoF caliber teammates that KG didn't, besides the aging DRob which I'll grant you obviously.

KG wasn't every bit as good as Duncan in his prime either, he was just good at compiling personal stats as Duncan, which isn't the same as winning.

[spurraider21]

If you wanted a championship, which player would you rather have on your team lol. I've seen Duncan put a team on his back (03). Never seen that from KG. He had to join alpha pierce and ray Allen to win ONCE

[Kyuui-Musikq]

To be fair, Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell weren't exactly Manu and Tony and that's as good as it ever got for him in MN

[spurraider21]

i still look at the spurs 03 team and don't think it was very stacked at all. Robinson was on his last legs (though he finished strong in the finals. wouldn't expect anything less from The Admiral), Manu was a rookie, Parker was in his 2nd year and found himself getting consistently yanked in favor of Speedy Claxton. Our 2nd leading scorer in the playoffs was Stephen Jackson.

[KaiRMD1]

I would have to agree with the sentiment that the ol' sport is indeed insane

[phxspurfan]

um, other than David Robinson, what players did Duncan play with that were Hall of Fame caliber during years KG didn't play with HoF caliber players? Let's not forget KG went to Boston to play with Pierce and Allen (and Rondo) SIX years ago. So basically Duncan had a couple years with HoF caliber teammates that KG didn't, besides the aging DRob which I'll grant you obviously.

KG wasn't every bit as good as Duncan in his prime either, he was just good at compiling personal stats as Duncan, which isn't the same as winning.

Manu, Tony and maybe Bruce. And yes, he definitely had his chances with the Celtics. In fact, they were a Perkins injury away from 2.

[Sean Cagney]

Ehhhhhhh, I would have just laughed in his face and said you don't know shit.

[SpurSpurSpurs]

You know what I think? I think this is a waste of brain cell. And if your friend is persistent with his take, tell him you know someone in the Spurs forum who sells brain cells for a half the price. Hit me up if he's serious in buying some.

[james evans]

kg is great, but the thing i have ALWAYS hated about his game was that he took too many damn 18 foot jumpers.a fadeaway 8 feet from the basket is easier to make than 15 feet or more away. and i get into these arguments too. people always say, "he had a better team than kg". which is bullshit and shows they don't know shit cuz in 2003, parker and ginobli were 2nd year players, robinson was 1 foot in the grave, glenn robinson was borderline retired while devon brown was looking like a decent player. stephen jackson played great in the finals that year. when stephen jackson is one of your top players in the finals, what does that say about your team? troy hudson was a shooter(well for the first half), casell was no bum, sprewell when he wasn't trying to feed his kids could get buckets too. the wolves weren't trash by any means. and then kg goes to the celtics while they win his first year there. i was happy for him, but what happened after that?

[will_spurs]

To be fair, Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell weren't exactly Manu and Tony and that's as good as it ever got for him in MN

Sam Cassell:
- 1x NBA All-Star
- 1x All-NBA 2nd team
- 3x NBA champion

Latrel Sprewell:
- 4x NBA All-Star
- 1x All-NBA 1st team
- 1x All-D 2nd team
- 1x All-Rookie 2nd team

[exstatic]

KG is a fugazi who needed to find his alpha in Boston to win anything.

[callo1]

Even if one subscribes to the argument that KG never had as good of talent around him, which is '03 is highly debatable, who is to blame for that? KG had to get himself paid before the CBA in '99, so his fat contract left the Wolves with little room to maneuver in free agency. Timmy on the other hand, has always taken less to allow the Spurs to build a team around him.

KG=Passion though right? Beating your own chest, throwing cheap shots at guards make KG a tough passionate player :lol

TD=Class, and enough passion to have 4x rings.

[Obstructed_View]

KG's go-to move is a fall-away jumper.

/thread

[spurspokesman]

Duncan saved a franchise, and is regarded in many hearts as the greatest power forward to ever lace em up. Need we say more?

[EVAY]

Even if one subscribes to the argument that KG never had as good of talent around him, which is '03 is highly debatable, who is to blame for that? KG had to get himself paid before the CBA in '99, so his fat contract left the Wolves with little room to maneuver in free agency. Timmy on the other hand, has always taken less to allow the Spurs to build a team around him.

KG=Passion though right? Beating your own chest, throwing cheap shots at guards make KG a tough passionate player :lol

TD=Class, and enough passion to have 4x rings.

Well said.

[Kyuui-Musikq]

Sam Cassell:
- 1x NBA All-Star
- 1x All-NBA 2nd team
- 3x NBA champion

Latrel Sprewell:
- 4x NBA All-Star
- 1x All-NBA 1st team
- 1x All-D 2nd team
- 1x All-Rookie 2nd team

Right, like i said, their not Tony and Manu

[will_spurs]

Right, like i said, their not Tony and Manu

Sure, but they weren't exactly scrubs either, even if they were probably not in their prime any more either.

For some perspective, here is Parker and Manu's resumes after their 2nd ring (Duncan's 3rd)

Parker: 1x All Rookie 1st
Manu: 1x All Star

After 3rd ring:

Parker: 1x All Rookie 1st, 2x All Star, 1x Finals MVP
Manu: 1x All Star

[Arcadian]

They were pretty evenly-matched in 2003-2004. They were close in their primes, but Tim was far better early in his career, and continues to be better late in his career.

[chazley]

The argument is really close. You have to admire the passion that KG has played with his entire career, and if you replaced KG with Duncan on this team you probably still have 2-3 titles. The biggest difference is how much we relied on Duncan in big games down the stretch. KG has always needed that second guy to carry the load offensively at the end of games.

[BillMc]

They were close in their primes, but Tim was far better early in his career, and continues to be better late in his career.

This.

[Yuixafun]

Lol oh man... this brings back memories of when I used to debate Tim Duncan over Kevin Garnett at rapmusic..com back in 2006 when I felt that KG stole and MVP from Duncan winning it 3 years in a row.

Bout to see if I can unearth some gems.

[Yuixafun]

I always summed up Duncan's game vs Garnett's as Dominance of Versatility.

It was so simple but people couldn't, or didn't want to comprehend.

Sure Garnett could run the point, but so the fuck what. When it comes time to win the game, you want your main guy to take it into his hands. Duncan did that, Garnett was a shrinking violet. End of story.

Now Lebron... had a special game. We live in the age of media hyperbole, where writers try to make things greater than they are.

And for people saying this was the greatest NBA performance of all time are just douchebags.

But considering the age of Lebron, and the stage it's on, and the manner in which he took this game over, it was a pretty special game.

James went off, but who was there in the middle to stop him? Tayshaun is supposed to get abused by Lebron. Rasheed is supposed to get abused by Lebron. Maxiel was falling down for Lebron. Mcdyess was tossed out early.

My only thing is that, the Pistons defense looked horrible. They didn't get in his way, and half of James drives to the basket were basically him just running past hapless defenders. At least four times, defenders just watched James go by. And no one was stepping in for the charge.

Of course James was the reason, him being a menacing presence, but Detriot's implosion was a factor.. the Pistons were in shock and demoralized. The kind of defensive meltdown they had is indicative of a team with chemistry problems.

A telling scene was when Lebron made this off balanced shot, and in the background you see Chris Webber look at James with the same face he had when Horry nailed the shot to beat the Kings. Not again.

Good stuff, huge leap for Lebron. That's maturity setting in. That's a person realizing they can impose their will and dominate.

I'm sure Duncan will eat a few jams, so will half the Spurs team. But you won't see them lay down like Detriot did. Manu's taking a charge even if he gets a broken rib.

Bring on the King.


*** ahh I guess I wrote this after the game Lebron scored all those points in the 4th to snatch victory from the Pistons back in 2007... before we were to meet the Cavs in the finals. We swept them that year, our last year winning it all. The details are murky but ahhhh makes me grin thinking about it.

[TampaDude]

TD > KG

FACT

'nuff said.

[Horse]

Anyone saying Gay-G didn't have the talent around him that Duncan did is simply discounting how much better TD makes the players around him.