Richie Incognito suspended..

[HarlemHeat37]

For bullying:lmao..what the fuck, tbh?..

[Chief Brody]

Word is all the offensive lineman invited Jonathan Martin to sit with them at the cafeteria and when he sat down they all got up and left. He was inconsolable and went home crying. That's honestly what I heard, this isn't an 80's teen movie.

[BUMP]

Word is all the offensive lineman invited Jonathan Martin to sit with them at the cafeteria and when he sat down they all got up and left. He was inconsolable and went home crying.

was this table arranged in a rectangular area underneath a basketball goal?

[jeebus]

Faggot should've taken the manly way out and chugged bleach.

[thunderup]

Of course, is anything else expected out of this rapidly changing pussy ass society?

[Chief Brody]

was this table arranged in a rectangular area underneath a basketball goal?
:lolthe throwback goods

[Chief Brody]

Richie's a POS scumbag, but for what he does on the field, not this lame shit. I'm sure Chumpdumper has already sent Martin a box of chocolates and a hallmark card though

[thunderup]

Richie's a POS scumbag, but for what he does on the field, not this lame shit. I'm sure Chumpdumper has already sent Martin a box of chocolates and a hallmark card though
:lmao

[resistanze]

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CnmIdbeVaqfsT2q1kUU6Hg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD02MTI7cT03NTt3PTQwOA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_ca/News/Capress/NY165-1027_2013_131759_high.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

Turns out this shit might be connected to a wider conflict between the veterans and the rookies on the team:


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/03/report-martins-not-the-only-dolphin-feeling-pressured/

Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald said there have been multiple issues, that if not exactly like the reported bullying and/or harrassment of Martin, are creating problems in the locker room.

He describes a culture of older players forcing younger teammates to pick up the tab, with one player being handed a bill for a $30,000 team dinner. “The veterans are using the younger players as an ATM (https://twitter.com/AdamHBeasley/status/397047232597594112), I’m told,” he reported.

That dovetails with reports that Martin was somehow coerced into paying $15,000 toward a trip to Las Vegas that he didn’t attend.
:lol The state of Florida in general is a complete mess in the NFL right now, tbh....

[HI-FI]

Incognito is a piece of shit, nothing new here.

[Monostradamus]

If Richie Incognito was a frost king ass SAWM he'd probably get a medal for doin that mess to a strong young brother. Oh wait a sec

[Monostradamus]

Also, :lmao at Incognito still acting like a 16 year old meathead jock.

[Clipper Nation]

Also, now there's reports that Incognito sent racist text messages and threats to Martin.... Incognito is fucking retarded :lol

Not only can those texts easily be saved or recovered, Martin's parents are both lawyers.... basically, he's fucked :lol

[Chief Brody]

Turns out this shit might be connected to a wider conflict between the veterans and the rookies on the team:


:lol The state of Florida in general is a complete mess in the NFL right now, tbh....
If all that's true then Incognito loses points in my book...


Also, now there's reports that Incognito sent racist text messages and threats to Martin...

...and then gains them right back

[Chief Brody]

Now rumors are circulating that Martin is gay. Hope he's not afflicted, tbh. A suicide attempt is in the cards if he's outed this early in his career

[Chief Brody]

Stay up-to-date and get the faggy finfan goods all at once: http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?346453-Fox-s-Mike-Garafolo-Incognito-sent-quot-racially-charged-quot-texts-and-voicemails

[Chief Brody]

It's also rumored (and widely assumed by some) that the finheaven poster 'irlr1994' is actually Richie Incognito's Dad.

:lol

[Chief Brody]

Mike Pouncey might be a states witness for a murder trial, Jonathan Martin is gay, and Richie Incognito is a banned "bully." Tannehill's gotta be like wtf is next?

[mojorizen7]

Also, :lmao at Incognito still acting like a 16 year old meathead jock.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4532690656231597&pid=15.1

[Chief Brody]

Some finfan outed Richie's Dad on FH and now people are scrambling to find his old man's racist ramblings:rollin
Apparently all his posts consisted of propping up Richie, shitting on the rest of the o-line, saying Martin put a gun to his head 3 times, and claiming Pouncey and Martin are cokefiends.

[Chief Brody]

Apparently Richie's Dad's last FH post was against the TOS, so poster 'The Walrus' summarized it:

It's mostly the same stuff as his other posts, only with hoping and wishing and praying Philbin and Ireland die of AIDS or something worse than AIDS. He calls Martin and Pouncey "black brothers" a few times and says they do drugs together. And then there's some reprehensible stuff about Philbin's son.

The idea that his son made racist comments to Martin is brushed off with the comment that this is not "world war tow (sic)" and the fact that you can find "any black recording" with the word "niger (sic)" on it. In other words, he's not going to bother to deny Richie uses that language. It's just not supposed to be a big deal.

So... yeah.

[Chief Brody]

Kori Ellis (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6) and timvp (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) should offer Mr. Incognito some kind of Snowden safe asylum deal here, tbh. He'd be a welcome contributor to the BQRC.

[leemajors]

Also, :lmao at Incognito still acting like a 16 year old meathead jock.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RzXSe0mVjaw/TXJPIzYRSRI/AAAAAAAADz8/3BmCB8jpEeY/s320/6008026_gal.jpg

[pgardn]

Martin has chosen the wrong profession.

That being said Incognito is a real team player. Way to make the team better Rich. You had a starter gone (Pouncey), and now you get two more starters thrown off including yourself? Tannehill sends you his love.

Fckn selfish little boy. If this is racial and he gets back in... Can't wait to watch some of the black DT, NGs, to beat his ass.

[leemajors]

http://deadspin.com/is-richie-incognitos-dad-blasting-jonathan-martin-on-m-1457997230

[Mugen]

:lol I hope Richie gets kicked out of the league and pulls a Junior Seau tbh

[Trill Clinton]

Wow...just heard a portion of the transcript. This dude doesnt deserve to play football. No surprise but he went the racist route but he said he wants to cum in dude's mouth. What the fuck? So he's racist and homosexual, its a wrap for him.

[HarlemHeat37]

Wow...just heard a portion of the transcript. This dude doesnt deserve to play football. No surprise but he went the racist route but he said he wants to cum in dude's mouth. What the fuck? So he's racist and homosexual, its a wrap for him.

:lol wow, is there a link to that?..

Nvm found it..

[benefactor]

...and it get's worse.

http://deadspin.com/report-richie-incognito-called-jonathan-martin-a-half-1458148723

Incognito is done if this is true.

[HarlemHeat37]

Martin has chosen the wrong profession.

That being said Incognito is a real team player. Way to make the team better Rich. You had a starter gone (Pouncey), and now you get two more starters thrown off including yourself? Tannehill sends you his love.

Fckn selfish little boy. If this is racial and he gets back in... Can't wait to watch some of the black DT, NGs, to beat his ass.

Martin chose the right profession, tbh, he's going to receive a nice settlement and never have to play football again, tbh:lol..

[HarlemHeat37]

And how stupid is this White trash redneck that he would leave voicemails of that nature in 2013, in the social media and technology era, where everything can be retained and obtained, tbh:lol..

[Mugen]

...and it get's worse.

http://deadspin.com/report-richie-incognito-called-jonathan-martin-a-half-1458148723

Incognito is done if this is true.

:lmao Richie will be dead by 40 when he gets thrown back into the real world tbh.

[benefactor]

:lmao Richie will be dead by 40 when he gets thrown back into the real world tbh.
Genetic cleansing ftw.

[leemajors]

And how stupid is this White trash redneck that he would leave voicemails of that nature in 2013, in the social media and technology era, where everything can be retained and obtained, tbh:lol..

Yeah, incredibly dumb.

[HarlemHeat37]

Martin will be blackballed from the NFL, though, tbh..

Veteran players are going to view him as a snitch and a pussy, especially in the NFL, where most players are meathead niggas and jocks, tbh..

It won't matter, though, since he'll receive a settlement and never have to play football again..

[lefty]

Damn Wiki is fast:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richie_Incognito

[Spur|n|Austin]

Piece of shit.

[Clipper Nation]

Man, I hope Incognito gets thrown out of the league, tbh.... he sucks, he's a dirty player, and he apparently makes Kirby look like a supportive teammate and non-psychopath by comparison :lol

I thought Martin was a pussy when the initial story broke, but with all the details that have come out, can't say I blame him anymore, tbh.... what guys like Incognito don't apparently get is that it's not high school, their teammates are in this for a professional career, not a clique mentality, extreme hazing, and extortion....

[Raven]

:corn:

[Michael Jordan.]

Richie ain't very incognito

[leemajors]

http://deadspin.com/psa-features-richie-incognito-encouraging-fans-to-be-ci-1458188409

:lmao

[BUMP]

"After the camera stopped rolling, Incognito immediately stole all the club members' lunch money and clubbed the lady in the hat with the mallet"

:lmao

[HI-FI]

so real question is who comes back to the league first, Incognito or Martin? one is not going to be trusted, the other is going to have apologize publicly and often, offer himself as a sacrifice to liberal god of tolerance tbh.

[Trill Clinton]

martin did nothing wrong and handled this entire situation like a professional. sounds like he had some self esteem issues when he came into the league so anybody else would have folded and committed suicide by now, i applaud him.

anyways, grown ass men making millions hazing each other is stupid. especially when its scrubs like roy williams and icognito doing most of the hazing. i remember when people said dez was an asshole for not picking up a 54k dinner tab. a 54 thousand. dinner tab.http://i42.tinypic.com/125nus6.jpg would ya'll have paid that tab if roy's bum ass told you to? not mehttp://i39.tinypic.com/34t8w8j.png

[HarlemHeat37]

Martin didn't do anything wrong, I agree, but it's the NFL, a sport full of jocks and immature morons that will blackball him for being a snitch and perceived as a pussy, tbh..

And if he's gay, they'll hate him even more, tbh..

Being gay in football is a lot worse than being gay in basketball IMO..

[JoeTait75]

Martin didn't do anything wrong, I agree, but it's the NFL, a sport full of jocks and immature morons that will blackball him for being a snitch and perceived as a pussy, tbh..

And if he's gay, they'll hate him even more, tbh..

Being gay in football is a lot worse than being gay in basketball IMO..

If he goes to another team and shows he can play his teammates will accept him, imo. Ultimately the ability to hold up your end between the white lines is the coin of the realm, tbh.

[jeebus]

Kori Ellis (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6) and timvp (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) should offer Mr. Incognito some kind of Snowden safe asylum deal here, tbh. He'd be a welcome contributor to the BQRC.
Cosigned. I think he'd really be pumped up to grade the half breed QBs.

[Trill Clinton]

Martin didn't do anything wrong, I agree, but it's the NFL, a sport full of jocks and immature morons that will blackball him for being a snitch and perceived as a pussy, tbh..

And if he's gay, they'll hate him even more, tbh..

Being gay in football is a lot worse than being gay in basketball IMO..

i hope his teammates and the other players don't look at this as snitching. i mean, the dude took this shit without a peep for almost 2 years and never brought it to management. he reached his tipping point and sought professional help before he killed himself, or walked into the dolphin facility and went SAWM on the whole team.

[Spur-Addict]

It was only a matter of time for Incognito

[BUMP]

http://deadspin.com/psa-features-richie-incognito-encouraging-fans-to-be-ci-1458188409

:lmao

http://fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/09/schwartz.gif

[BRHornet45]

:lmao Richie will be dead by 40 when he gets thrown back into the real world tbh.

Hopefully sooner than that to be honest

[Kool Bob Love]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYQZs3UCUAEWaB6.jpg:large

[Kool Bob Love]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/pengh/Screenshot_2013-11-04-16-12-57.png

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao all the retarded Dolphins fans who said Jake Long sucked and they were glad he's gone. Their offensive line is imploding like hell because it lacks the veteran leadership that they lost with Long.

[Clipper Nation]

TMZ caught Incognito at a bar screaming the N-word:

http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/04/richie-incognito-n-word-bar-rage-video/

:lol

[DPG21920]

i hope his teammates and the other players don't look at this as snitching. i mean, the dude took this shit without a peep for almost 2 years and never brought it to management. he reached his tipping point and sought professional help before he killed himself, or walked into the dolphin facility and went SAWM on the whole team.

Who needs to seek professional help? I mean, are you that mentally and physically weak that you would let another grown man bully you like this? He is a gifted, strong black man who was playing in the NFL and living the life millions dream of - how on Earth could he let this happen?

I mean, he's the victim here, but how he allowed this to happen to where he "had a break down" is beyond me. Doesn't absolve Incogracist, but wow. That's is some serious beta activity and if you are really that mentally weak to allow this maybe teammates shouldn't trust you in the trenches.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao here's the screencapped rant from incognito's dad:

http://i.imgur.com/RcpemZQ.png

[Creepn]

Who needs to seek professional help? I mean, are you that mentally and physically weak that you would let another grown man bully you like this? He is a gifted, strong black man who was playing in the NFL and living the life millions dream of - how on Earth could he let this happen?

I mean, he's the victim here, but how he allowed this to happen to where he "had a break down" is beyond me. Doesn't absolve Incogracist, but wow. That's is some serious beta activity and if you are really that mentally weak to allow this maybe teammates shouldn't trust you in the trenches.

What would be your solution?

[Trill Clinton]

Who needs to seek professional help? I mean, are you that mentally and physically weak that you would let another grown man bully you like this? He is a gifted, strong black man who was playing in the NFL and living the life millions dream of - how on Earth could he let this happen?

I mean, he's the victim here, but how he allowed this to happen to where he "had a break down" is beyond me. Doesn't absolve Incogracist, but wow. That's is some serious beta activity and if you are really that mentally weak to allow this maybe teammates shouldn't trust you in the trenches.

Will someone get this monkey off my back?

[clambake]

What would be your solution?

a solid drop kick to the knee.

[mojorizen7]

:lmao Richie will be dead by 40 when he gets thrown back into the real world tbh.
The real world where? Nebraska? :lol

[DPG21920]

Will someone get this monkey off my back?

Huh? You don't think that is a legit question? You don't find it at all odd that a grown, large, successful man who is no longer a rookie allowed this to happen for 2 years without saying a word or doing anything about it? I'm sorry, like I said, the racist idiots actions aren't excused and Martin was the victim, but how a non-rookie adult male living the dream allowed this to happen is beyond me.

[DPG21920]

What would be your solution?

First and foremost, I would have gone to management way earlier. I might have taken your basic hazing as a rookie, but no way do I allow for even one second someone to haze me as a 2nd year player. That is ridiculous. Secondly, as soon as the "hazing" took a personal/racial turn, I would have notified him in person that the shit stops immediately or I report him to the team captains, management and anyone else that needs to know. If he stepped out of line after that, I would literally punch him in the face. If he beats me down, so be it. You have to be a coward to let someone like this extort and belittle you for two years when you are a grown successful beast like this cat. Then you meltdown like a little girl as your way of settling this?

Something smells funny. No one, especially when it's a locker room full of black men who would support you in either calling him out or in a fight, would allow this to happen. This racist idiot Incognito would have only had a kicker and QB on his side in a race brawl if it came to that (which it wouldn't). To me, while this guy was the victim, did nothing to help himself which seems odd as hell to me. I could get it if it was some weak nobody being bullied by a rich beast. But this dude is an NFL successful beast himself.

[DPG21920]

Am I just way off base here? I think Incognito is a scumbag based on the reports coming out, but how did Martin let this happen? For two years, no less?

[Sean Cagney]

:lmao all the retarded Dolphins fans who said Jake Long sucked and they were glad he's gone. Their offensive line is imploding like hell because it lacks the veteran leadership that they lost with Long.

Fuck you :(

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Fuck you :(

I honestly wasn't referring to you at all :lol, there were two other notable Fins fans who repeatedly insisted that Jake Long wasn't good anymore and they were glad he's gone.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Am I just way off base here? I think Incognito is a scumbag based on the reports coming out, but how did Martin let this happen? For two years, no less?
Right on point. He's a grown man and was so soft he let another grown man (that he could probably beat the shit out of) bully him for 2 FUCKING YEARS. I understand rookie hazing--to a certain extent--but to let this happen for another year tells me you don't have the stones to step up for yourself.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Incognito's career is over--and should be since he's sucked for 3 years now--but I can't imagine the abuse defensive ends/OLBs are going to lay on Martin if he continues to play in this league. It's obvious words affect him, so I hope they wire both lines for sound on Sundays:lol

[resistanze]

I agree to a point - I mean how do you allow another man to say he'll smack your mama? :lol

[Trill Clinton]

Am I just way off base here? I think Incognito is a scumbag based on the reports coming out, but how did Martin let this happen? For two years, no less?

yea you're waaay off base. there is obviously more to the story and we don't know what martin's mental state is. unfortunately, he isn't as mentally strong as you are and that is why he removed himself from the team so he can learn how to handle this situation in a healthy manner.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol I like how Incognito's dad revealed how suicidal Martin is as if that's gonna clear Incognito's name.

The fact Incognito was fucking with someone he knew was suicidal makes him look even worse :lol

[resistanze]

:lol I like how Incognito's dad revealed how suicidal Martin is as if that's gonna clear Incognito's name.

The fact Incognito was fucking with someone he knew was suicidal makes him look even worse :lol

:lol True. The mental image of Incognito's dad typing away furiously on a forum is hilarious.

[DeadlyDynasty]

No excuse for not standing up for yourself--especially in the NFL. Not only could he probably beat the shit out of that redneck, he could also do it without fear of being cut since he was a highly touted OT and RI is an aging, troubled OG on the downside of his career. One shot to the chops in front of the rest of the team would've sent a clear message not to fuck with him.

[Trainwreck2100]

Martin will be blackballed from the NFL, though, tbh..

Veteran players are going to view him as a snitch and a pussy, especially in the NFL, where most players are meathead niggas and jocks, tbh..

It won't matter, though, since he'll receive a settlement and never have to play football again..

He should be blackballed snitching in any form should be frowned upon

[HarlemHeat37]

No excuse for not standing up for yourself--especially in the NFL. Not only could he probably beat the shit out of that redneck, he could also do it without fear of being cut since he was a highly touted OT and RI is an aging, troubled OG on the downside of his career. One shot to the chops in front of the rest of the team would've sent a clear message not to fuck with him.

Or he/somebody around him was opportunistic and realized this will ultimately result in a settlement that would net him more than he will ever make in football, tbh..

[DeadlyDynasty]

Can you imagine Joe Staley being bullied like that?:lol

[DPG21920]

yea you're waaay off base. there is obviously more to the story and we don't know what martin's mental state is. unfortunately, he isn't as mentally strong as you are and that is why he removed himself from the team so he can learn how to handle this situation in a healthy manner.

I don't know what else there could be to the story. What mental state? You kidding me? This dude is a pro athlete living the dream millions want. Incognito is a POS, but I don't see any excuse at all for a grown a** man to allow this to happen. Especially one as physically gifted and successful as Martin. Walking out on your team and suffering "a nervous breakdown" is not exactly healthy. Nor is taking abuse when you are fully capable of putting a stop to it.

Honest question: What would you have done.

Im just glad to see you answer a question rather than deflecting for no reason. It's a legit question and I am shocked you are ok with a man allowing himself to be bullied.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Or he/somebody around him was opportunistic and realized this will ultimately result in a settlement that would net him more than he will ever make in football, tbh..
Maybe...he probably told his dad (a lawyer) about being bullied and Jackie Chiles' eyes glowed dollar signs.

We'll see Martin doing the rounds on Ellen, The View, etc in a couple weeks

[Trill Clinton]

No excuse for not standing up for yourself--especially in the NFL. Not only could he probably beat the shit out of that redneck, he could also do it without fear of being cut since he was a highly touted OT and RI is an aging, troubled OG on the downside of his career. One shot to the chops in front of the rest of the team would've sent a clear message not to fuck with him.

private pyle was the biggest dude in his company and he never stook up for himself. even his bestfriend joker hit him with the soap in the sock. its easy on the outside looking in to say martin should have done more but some people just don't have it in em. martin comes off as non confrontational and icognito took advantage of that.

[Trill Clinton]

I don't know what else there could be to the story. What mental state? You kidding me? This dude is a pro athlete living the dream millions want. Incognito is a POS, but I don't see any excuse at all for a grown a** man to allow this to happen. Especially one as physically gifted and successful as Martin. Walking out on your team and suffering "a nervous breakdown" is not exactly healthy. Nor is taking abuse when you are fully capable of putting a stop to it.

Honest question: What would you have done.

Im just glad to see you answer a question rather than deflecting for no reason. It's a legit question and I am shocked you are ok with a man allowing himself to be bullied.


are you saying pro athletes don't have fuck up mental states? especially football players?

i would have handled the situation similar to you but again, i am trill. martin is a totally different person and i don't expect everyone to handle situations the same way.

[DeadlyDynasty]

private pyle was the biggest dude in his company and he never stook up for himself. even his bestfriend joker hit him with the soap in the sock. its easy on the outside looking in to say martin should have done more but some people just don't have it in em. martin comes off as non confrontational and icognito took advantage of that.
That's the story of life, man...just because the world is looking more corporate than primitive it doesn't mean human behavior has changed. You can't let people walk all over you.

[DPG21920]

That's the part that makes no sense. As soon as the racial stuff started and he had proof he could have gone to a lockerrom full of black men that would have had his back in a fight or just in calling him out in front of everyone. He had the proof, the backing of others on the team I'm sure and yet he just lets this go on until he suffers a mental breakdown in the cafeteria? That literally makes no sense to me.

[DPG21920]

are you saying pro athletes don't have fuck up mental states? especially football players?

i would have handled the situation similar to you but again, i am trill. martin is a totally different person and i don't expect everyone to handle situations the same way.

Bruh - the way he handled it was literally the only way that made no sense. I'm not saying people don't have messed up mental states, but they usually don't take getting shit on in a racist fashion for 2 years. Especially when there were a plethora of ways to make it stop.

[Trill Clinton]

That's the story of life, man...just because the world is looking more corporate than primitive it doesn't mean human behavior has changed. You can't let people walk all over you.

i agree but martin isn't wired like us. there is nothing he can do to change that at this juncture but seek some professional help before he snaps.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That's the part that makes no sense. As soon as the racial stuff started and he had proof he could have gone to a lockerrom full of black men that would have had his back in a fight or just in calling him out in front of everyone. He had the proof, the backing of others on the team I'm sure and yet he just lets this go on until he suffers a mental breakdown in the cafeteria? That literally makes no sense to me.
The explanation I would give is he tried to brush the racial voicemail message off but kept it in case this day happened (his parents are both lawyers :lol) because he wanted to avoid causing any problems with the team, it continued, and the cafeteria thing happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back. That's beside the point though, if I were in his shoes and got a message like that, I woulda done something unless it was someone I was really good friends with and knew he was just fucking with me, and we know that wasn't the case with Incognito and Martin.

[Trill Clinton]

Bruh - the way he handled it was literally the only way that made no sense. I'm not saying people don't have messed up mental states, but they usually don't take getting shit on in a racist fashion for 2 years. Especially when there were a plethora of ways to make it stop.

how do you know what a person can take and what their tipping point is?

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm surprised Jim Harbaugh, Andrew Luck, Fleener, Taylor, etc haven't run to Martin's defense yet. They played/coached with the man for his formative football years.

[DeadlyDynasty]

i agree but martin isn't wired like us. there is nothing he can do to change that at this juncture but seek some professional help before he snaps.
With that mindset he's gonna fail badly in the NFL, but like you said that might just be his mental make-up. At least he has a Stanford education and wealthy/supportive parents to get him through post-NFL life.

[DPG21920]

Exactly - with all the rotten details that are coming out, this was a prolonged issue spanning two years and there were a string of incidents. Instead of "seeking professional help" he should have either put an end to it himself, or sought the help of those that had power to stop it before it spanned two years.

If he's smart enough to seek professional help, why not do it earlier, or better yet, if you are mentally weak, why not seek out help earlier so you have the courage to step up for yourself before this stuff happens? I mean, maybe it's just something I do not understand and you shouldn't bully the weak, but I have a hard time believing that physically gifted, talented beast is "weak".

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

With that mindset he's gonna fail badly in the NFL, but like you said that might just be his mental make-up. At least he has a Stanford education and wealthy/supportive parents to get him through post-NFL life.

And a slam dunk hostile workplace lawsuit worth more than anything you mentioned :lol

[DPG21920]

how do you know what a person can take and what their tipping point is?

That's not the point. The point is you seem to be trying to paint this picture of an educated, supremely talented physical beast is somehow this weakling that didn't have the power to stop himself from getting bullied. Everything else is moot to me. Tipping point or "nervous breakdown" aside, it doesn't make any sense that a person with not only the mental and physical resources to stop whatever he wants, but also the financial resources could allow this to happen for two years.

[DeadlyDynasty]

And a slam dunk hostile workplace lawsuit worth more than anything you mentioned :lol
Yeah, although money was never going to be a serious issue for him in that family. He'll be rich, but like HH said he'll be considered a pariah among the NFL fraternity. Not a big deal when you consider the pay-off, but we already see how he reacts when he's not accepted.

[resistanze]

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[Trill Clinton]

With that mindset he's gonna fail badly in the NFL, but like you said that might just be his mental make-up. At least he has a Stanford education and wealthy/supportive parents to get him through post-NFL life.

fa sho. he's good no matter what he decides to do from here.


Exactly - with all the rotten details that are coming out, this was a prolonged issue spanning two years and there were a string of incidents. Instead of "seeking professional help" he should have either put an end to it himself, or sought the help of those that had power to stop it before it spanned two years.

If he's smart enough to seek professional help, why not do it earlier, or better yet, if you are mentally weak, why not seek out help earlier so you have the courage to step up for yourself before this stuff happens? I mean, maybe it's just something I do not understand and you shouldn't bully the weak, but I have a hard time believing that physically gifted, talented beast is "weak".

well believe it, fam. weaklings come in all shapes and sizes...don't let their size fool you. the biggest ones are usually the softest, word. as far as your 'why's' i don't know. i'm just speculating like everyone else but given the macho-tough guy culture of professional athletes, it doesn't surprise me that he kept this built up for so long. especially if he's a big softie.

[DPG21920]

Like HH said, right or wrong, snitching aside (which I think is bs in this case that he would be considered a snitch), you just can't trust a mentally weak guy who would allow himself to be bullied in the trenches. How could you? I wouldn't want this fragile mental guy next to me in a tight game. What happens if they start making fun of him and he has a mental breakdown? If he's not tough enough to stand up to a racist idiot who is extorting him, how will he stand up to someone who is saying he is going to hurt him during a game?

[Trill Clinton]

victim blaming aside, how does a person bully, extort and intimidate another person over a 2 year span? you gotta be a real scumbag loser to do some shit like that to a person you know isn't going to fight back.

[DeadlyDynasty]

victim blaming aside, how does a person bully, extort and intimidate another person over a 2 year span? you gotta be a real scumbag loser to do some shit like that to a person you know isn't going to fight back.
It's well documented what a scumbag Incognito is, on and off the field. He's indefensible.

[DPG21920]

victim blaming aside, how does a person bully, extort and intimidate another person over a 2 year span? you gotta be a real scumbag loser to do some shit like that to a person you know isn't going to fight back.

Victim blaming - it's a legit question. Quit catching feelings when people point out things that don't make sense. But I agree, you have to be a POS to pick on someone, and an even worse human to continue doing it when you see someone is mentally weak and won't stand up for themselves. Especially when they are your teammate.

[Spursfan092120]

Ban that motherfucker for life.

[Trill Clinton]

Victim blaming - it's a legit question. Quit catching feelings when people point out things that don't make sense. But I agree, you have to be a POS to pick on someone, and an even worse human to continue doing it when you see someone is mentally weak and won't stand up for themselves. Especially when they are your teammate.


you were victim blaming, no feelings being caught, it is what it is. but yea i agree with the rest of your post.

[DPG21920]

You catching feelings just because I posed a question that many others seem to agree with. It's odd - your first reaction was to call me a monkey for some reason too. I don't know what it is, but you get all flustered when I ask questions. But Incognito got whats coming his way. Just wish it was Martin who laid him out before he gets booted from the league.

[Trill Clinton]

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zw25wz.jpgyou're right

[Trill Clinton]

You catching feelings just because I posed a question that many others seem to agree with. It's odd - your first reaction was to call me a monkey for some reason too. I don't know what it is, but you get all flustered when I ask questions. But Incognito got whats coming his way. Just wish it was Martin who laid him out before he gets booted from the league.

you ask some dumb passive aggressive questions, doggie. word.

[DPG21920]

You needing to post two different posts (one edited) to that one comment shows exactly what I'm talking about. You caught feelings for some reason. No biggie - happens to everyone from time to time. They aren't dumb nor passive aggressive. Hence several people saying they were thinking the same thing.

You have a some serious feeling caught and you got got.

[Sean Cagney]

I honestly wasn't referring to you at all :lol, there were two other notable Fins fans who repeatedly insisted that Jake Long wasn't good anymore and they were glad he's gone.
Iknow, I just got depressed reading that truth you spit. I agree though. Jake would look really good there right now man, huge mistake letting him walk! Also with the corner situation how would Vontae Davis look now too? A few STUPID MISTAKES from a stupid ass team.

[KL2]

That's not the point. The point is you seem to be trying to paint this picture of an educated, supremely talented physical beast is somehow this weakling that didn't have the power to stop himself from getting bullied. Everything else is moot to me. Tipping point or "nervous breakdown" aside, it doesn't make any sense that a person with not only the mental and physical resources to stop whatever he wants, but also the financial resources could allow this to happen for two years.

Just because he's big doesn't mean he can fight, nobody knows how to fight unless you're actually taught to, even Shaq got his ass whooped on by a 140lb Shane Mosley in a boxing match. And it doesn't make any sense to you because anxiety and depression don't allow you to think rationally, which I'm certain he dealt with. Look at Royce White giving up millions of $ and his dream of playing in the nba just because he's too scared to fly, anxiety is that powerful.


And even if he did report it there's no guarantee anything actually happens, aside of him being labeled a snitch not just on his team but around the entire league, then becoming an outcast. Chances are they'd tell him to toughen up, stop crying and he'd be back at square 1. The NFL isn't your regular workplace, it's filled with all the douches/jocks, guys that barely made it through high school. And like school there are people being bullied, but won't tell because they're too embarassed.

If he were in fact a perfectly normal man, with no mental problems he'd have stood up for himself and none of this would've happened, however he is not.

[Chief Brody]

The simplest solution is to get rid of the problem. First, kick Incognito out of the league--he sucks, is a dirty player, and he's now a PR disaster. Second, if he's not shunned/shamed out of the league first, then Jonathan Martin should just walk away from the NFL. Life is only going to get harder for him there, and he clearly isn't mentally stable/strong enough to handle the locker room atmosphere. He has a Stanford education (which will open a lot of doors) and a loving, supportive family, so it's not like he's some streethood dumbass who needs the NFL paycheck to keep himself and his family out of the gutter.

Walk away, go to law school (or something else), and come out of the closet when the time is right.

[FkLA]

I hope DPG isnt being serious tbh.

[Trill Clinton]

You needing to post two different posts (one edited) to that one comment shows exactly what I'm talking about. You caught feelings for some reason. No biggie - happens to everyone from time to time. They aren't dumb nor passive aggressive. Hence several people saying they were thinking the same thing.

You have a some serious feeling caught and you got got.


lol, whatever makes you feel better about me undressing you as a victim blamer.

[JoeTait75]

victim blaming aside, how does a person bully, extort and intimidate another person over a 2 year span? you gotta be a real scumbag loser to do some shit like that to a person you know isn't going to fight back.

That's why he did it to him, imo.

I feel badly for Jonathan Martin, tbh. Just because he's huge and plays football doesn't make him an automatic badass. He plays one of the most cerebral, least inherently vicious positions, imo. And I don't doubt Richie Incognito is probably a scary motherfucker. He's bad news.

[DPG21920]

Was listening to Mike & Mike and they along with Chris Carter were discussing my very question.

[Clipper Nation]

That's not the point. The point is you seem to be trying to paint this picture of an educated, supremely talented physical beast is somehow this weakling that didn't have the power to stop himself from getting bullied. Everything else is moot to me. Tipping point or "nervous breakdown" aside, it doesn't make any sense that a person with not only the mental and physical resources to stop whatever he wants, but also the financial resources could allow this to happen for two years.
The politics of the locker room might have something to do with it, tbh.... Martin probably put up with it as a rookie expecting it to stop after his rookie year, and as we've seen from people like Dez Bryant, rookies who don't submit to hazing are looked upon poorly by their teammates, tbh.... it seems like once it was clear that Incognito wasn't going to stop after all and was ramping up the abuse, Martin finally got fed up and removed himself from the situation....

I disagree that he is "mentally weak," btw.... he was being extorted by his teammates and threatened by one teammate in particular, anyone would eventually get fed up, tbh....

[urunobili]

http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/04/richie-incognito-n-word-bar-rage-video/

[DPG21920]

The politics of the locker room might have something to do with it, tbh.... Martin probably put up with it as a rookie expecting it to stop after his rookie year, and as we've seen from people like Dez Bryant, rookies who don't submit to hazing are looked upon poorly by their teammates, tbh.... it seems like once it was clear that Incognito wasn't going to stop after all and was ramping up the abuse, Martin finally got fed up and removed himself from the situation....


I disagree that he is "mentally weak," btw.... he was being extorted by his teammates and threatened by one teammate in particular, anyone would eventually get fed up, tbh....

Eventually got fed up? When he realized it wasn't going to stop? Ugh, he should have realized the rookie hazing wasn't going to stop the second it continued when he was no longer a rookie. Not only that, how can you let it go on for an entire year extra before you "break"? He obviously knew there was a serious issue hence him saving texts & voicemails. That's what's odd to me and others. He's well educated, an athletic beast of a man and is in a locker room where the majority of people are African American. How on Earth do you not break dims earlier or seek help or put a stop to it yourself is what escapes me.

He's not to blame & Incogracist is a loser who should be banned, but those are valid questions.

[DeadlyDynasty]

How can anyone make a case for Martin NOT being mentally weak? :lol

Justice will be servrd though and RI rightfully banned. Then Martin will win his lawsuit, move to Fire Island, and write his autobiography

[HarlemHeat37]

I dunno, like I said earlier, this is clearly a money-grab IMO..

I agree with DPG's points, but I don't think that Martin is mentally weak, I don't think you can be mentally weak and play on the offensive line in the NFL, tbh..

He has lawyer parents, this is clearly an opportunistic move, taking advantage of the stupidity of a White trash redneck, tbh..

If you were an average offensive lineman, only making $400 000 this season, playing a sport and a position where long-term brain injuries are virtually inevitable, and you saw an opportunity to make more money than you ever would playing in the league and you wouldn't have to play this violent sport again, this seems like an easy decision, tbh..

It's very obvious, tbh, but people are afraid to question the motives, as this is a sensitive subject..

[BUMP]

I honestly wasn't referring to you at all :lol, there were two other notable Fins fans who repeatedly insisted that Jake Long wasn't good anymore and they were glad he's gone.

rofl we have Dolphin fans on this site?

[baseline bum]

rofl we have Dolphin fans on this site?

Thanks for the great book recommendation, BUMP. This book is paradigm-shifting. It opens your eyes or affirms what you already intuit about the inner lives of animals, and their relationship with us. We are all connected, we are all very much alike (even one celled organisms are driven by EMOTION - Not 'blind, vague instinct'. I suspected as much, haven't you?) which means there is no cause to treat other species with disregard or disdain. We are all cut from the same cloth. There is so much more to this world, and to life, than most acknowledge.

Animals, horses in particular, can teach us much if we just learn to listen.

The Tao o Equus affirms LIFE.

Love it so much I've been buying copies to send to my friends -

[kamikazi_player]

Apparently antrel rolle agrees with dpg about him standing up for himself and not letting this happen for a long period of time

[DPG21920]

Plenty of people do. The fact he is very smart & physically gifted, in addition to being surrounded by African American teammates who surely would have had his back make it odd. He's the victim, but if he was smart enough to save voicemails & texts in addition to being mentally strong enough to go to a great school & make it to the NFL where people/coaches test your mental strength your entire life, how could you let this happen. He doesn't deserve blame - that's not the point of these questions. But they are valid as many others have pointed out both on here and professionally.

Trill just caught feelings because it was DPG asking for some reason.

[DPG21920]

I bet Trill will call Rolle & Chris Carter uncle toms who ask passive aggressive questions too

[Trill Clinton]

He's the victim, but....

and the victim blaming continues lol. not going to mention you being flustured with your double posting, that's besides the point. you keep mentioning me without @'ng me, doggie. @ me or dap me. besides, many professionals agreed that martin went about this the right way so......

[DPG21920]

and the victim blaming continues lol. not going to mention you being flustured with your double posting, that's besides the point. you keep mentioning me without @'ng me, doggie. @ me or dap me. besides, many professionals agreed that martin went about this the right way so......

Stealing my shine...

Fam - this literally makes no sense. For an educated man, your arguments right now are terrible. First, you deflected my legit question and called me a monkey for no reason. Then, after others started agreeing with my questions, you started saying randomly I was "victim blaming" and asking "stupid passive aggressive questions". Then when African American NFL players themselves start asking those same questions (although I don't agree with Rolle, Martin is not to blame at all), you catch even more feelings and whine about me not giving you dap?

We all know half quoting random sections of a sentence or a post is a silly, intellectually dishonest way to go about things and to be honest, you are catching an abnormal amount of feelings over this. Obviously it was a legit question that many others (including African American NFL players) are asking now and your first response because it was DPG was to call me a monkey and deflect. Makes no damn sense.

[Trill Clinton]

Stealing my shine...

Fam - this literally makes no sense. For an educated man, your arguments right now are terrible. First, you deflected my legit question and called me a monkey for no reason. Then, after others started agreeing with my questions, you started saying randomly I was "victim blaming" and asking "stupid passive aggressive questions". Then when African American NFL players themselves start asking those same questions (although I don't agree with Rolle, Martin is not to blame at all), you catch even more feelings and whine about me not giving you dap?

We all know half quoting random sections of a sentence or a post is a silly, intellectually dishonest way to go about things and to be honest, you are catching an abnormal amount of feelings over this. Obviously it was a legit question that many others (including African American NFL players) are asking now and your first response because it was DPG was to call me a monkey and deflect. Makes no damn sense.

there is no argument!!! you are the one with a problem with him waiting so long, i have no problem with it. i have never been bullied, extorted or have someone threaten my life, fam...so who am i to question why he didn't do anything???

[DPG21920]

there is no argument!!! you are the one with a problem with him waiting so long, i have no problem with it. i have never been bullied, extorted or have someone threaten my life, fam...so who am i to question why he didn't do anything???

My fam - that's not the point. The point is, because it was DPG, you immediately caught feelings and called me a monkey and dismissed my questions. Then plenty of other people agreed with the questions. Then actual NFL (or former NFL players) came out and asked the same questions. You don't have to agree, but to catch feelings off the jump towards DPG only to have many people (both on ST & in the NFL) pose the same legit questions is odd.

I am not blaming him either. Said so many times. But in your blind rage, you keep quoting random portions of my posts trying to paint a picture that is not there because you caught feelings. Again, I know this situation is infuriating and we all catch feelings from time to time, but damn.

[Trill Clinton]

you're coming off as very emo and immature right now because i won't pay your victim blaming any attention. YOU quoted Me with the victim blaming, going on and on about how you don't understand why he took the abuse. its not for us to understand, unless you've been a victim of this. there is no argument and i don't know what you're trying to gain from this other than attention from da gawd

[DPG21920]

:lol - You must be playing dumb. It's a funny schtick though.

[Trill Clinton]

a schtick you've been pulling throughout this thread, doggie. sad.

[DPG21920]

Nah - not keeping score, but that is why many in the thread have agreed with the questions. So are Rolle and Chris Carter monkey's like me who ask passive aggressive dumb questions?

[Trill Clinton]

this guy can't be serious. i called you a monkey because you quoted me on some victim blaming bullshit and you called martin mentally and physically weak for allowing the bullying, harassment and extortion to go on...oh and you called him a beta for not standing up for himself. did carter and rolle say that? you aren't making any sense and its sad to watch you do this to yourself.

[DPG21920]

this guy can't be serious. i called you a monkey because you quoted me on some victim blaming bullshit and you called martin mentally and physically weak for allowing the bullying, harassment and extortion to go on...oh and you called him a beta for not standing up for himself. did carter and rolle say that? you aren't making any sense and its sad to watch you do this to yourself.

Nah fam - I very clearly said Martin was not to blame. Your issue was not with the answers to the questions, but the questions itself. You had issue that anyone could question if Martin was to blame or how he could allow this to happen. Regardless of the different ways to frame the argument, Rolle and Carter both asked the same questions (and Rolle in fact blamed Martin where I did not) that you deemed "stupid passive aggressive questions".

I asked how mentally weak do you have to be to allow this to happen. I didn't say he was mentally weak. I said it was beta behavior and that is what shocked me considering he is a well educated, wealthy, strong beast of a man. I said it doesn't make sense which is why those questions were valid.

You were praising a man who had a meltdown and walked out on his team while allowing himself to be bullied for over two years when he had the mental, physical & financial resources to end it much sooner as "handling it like a true professional". That's how this started and you caught feelings.

*Mic Drop*

You will continue to keep not paying my victim blaming any attention though by continuing to respond lol. Watch. I will not respond because I have already proven my point. But its funny how you shy away from calling Rolle/Carter out for asking the same questions..

[Trill Clinton]

paragraphs= feelings lol. keep the mic on the ground fam and please don't pick it up.

[spurraider21]

its funny how you shy away from calling Rolle/Carter out for asking the same questions..
its not funny. its expected

[Trill Clinton]

its not funny. its expected

how would i call them out lol? if they asked ME why MARTIN didn't speak up earlier then i would have the same response, nigga i don't know and what diff does it make?

[spurraider21]

i bet if bob costas or somebody similar asked the same questions you'd be fuming tho

[benefactor]

I dunno, like I said earlier, this is clearly a money-grab IMO..

I agree with DPG's points, but I don't think that Martin is mentally weak, I don't think you can be mentally weak and play on the offensive line in the NFL, tbh..

He has lawyer parents, this is clearly an opportunistic move, taking advantage of the stupidity of a White trash redneck, tbh..

If you were an average offensive lineman, only making $400 000 this season, playing a sport and a position where long-term brain injuries are virtually inevitable, and you saw an opportunity to make more money than you ever would playing in the league and you wouldn't have to play this violent sport again, this seems like an easy decision, tbh..

It's very obvious, tbh, but people are afraid to question the motives, as this is a sensitive subject..
Underrated post.

The more I sit and think about it the more it feels like there could be more truth to this assertion than we know. Per Martin's wiki:

Martin's father, Gus Martin, is a Harvard University graduate and a professor of criminal justice administration at California State University, Dominguez Hills. His mother, Jane Howard-Martin, is also a Harvard graduate and is a corporate lawyer for Toyota.
So not only are Martin's parent's lawyers, they are both big dicks...not some run of the mill ambulance chasers. I see the scenario going something like this...Incognito gets a little out of hand with his rookie hazing, Martin is talking to his parents about it and the conversation gets around to Incognito being an all around piece of shit, parents tell Martin to continue remain passive and perhaps display behavior that invites even more hazing...all while coaching him on ways to effectively collect evidence and then when the time is right...boom...calculated shit bomb.

I can see Martin cracking a smile as he is staring across the courtroom at Incognito during the civil suit while Martin's parents squeeze bitch ass for millions. Perfect ending tbh.

[Creepn]

Underrated post.

The more I sit and think about it the more it feels like there could be more truth to this assertion than we know. Per Martin's wiki:

So not only are Martin's parent's lawyers, they are both big dicks...not some run of the mill ambulance chasers. I see the scenario going something like this...Incognito gets a little out of hand with his rookie hazing, Martin is talking to his parents about it and the conversation gets around to Incognito being an all around piece of shit, parents tell Martin to continue remain passive and perhaps display behavior that invites even more hazing...all while coaching him on ways to effectively collect evidence and then when the time is right...boom...calculated shit bomb.

I can see Martin cracking a smile as he is staring across the courtroom at Incognito during the civil suit while Martin's parents squeeze bitch ass for millions. Perfect ending tbh.
I like this viewpoint. I'm rolling with this one.

[Trill Clinton]

BREAKING NEWS: DOLPHINS COACHES ASK ICOGNITO TO TOUGHEN UP MARTIN







Miami Dolphins (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/football/miami-dolphins-ORSPT000189.topic)' coaches asked player Richie Incognito (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/football/richie-incognito--PESPT0012008.topic), who was the offensive line's undisputed leader, to toughen up teammate Jonathan Martin (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/football/jonathan-martin-PESPT0014960.topic) after he missed a voluntary workout last spring, at least two sources told the Sun Sentinel.
The sources told the paper they believe that Incognito, who is accused of using racially incendiary language and bullying tactics against Martin, may have taken those orders too far.
It's not clear whether those marching orders will now become part of a pending investigation by the NFL (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/football/national-football-league-ORSPT000007.topic) into the Dolphins' locker room culture, and the alleged bullying that took place between Incognito and Martin.




"I'm just trying to weather the storm right now. This will pass," Incognito told WSVN-TV when reached outside a doctor's office.
Incognito has been suspended indefinitely by the Dolphins for conduct detrimental to the team for his tactics involving Martin, the team's 2012 second-round pick, who left the team last week and later accused the Dolphins of having an unsafe working environment.
Martin's smoking gun is a threatening, and racially offensive voice mail Incognito left him in April. In that voice message Incognito calls Martin, who is bi-racial, a "half n-----," threatened to slap his mother across the face, and uttered the words "I'll kill you."
Sources say that communication took place when Martin skipped two days of the team's OTA program, and Incognito was encouraged by his coaches to make a call that would "get him into the fold," one source said.

Even though OTA workouts are voluntary, the NFL culture forces coaches to strong arm the team's leaders to make sure everyone attends. Sources say Incognito was doing his job, but they admit he crossed the line.
"Richie is the type of guy where if he's on your team you love him," a teammate said. "If he's not on your team, you hate him. Every team needs a guy like that."
A Dolphins spokesman declined comment when told about Incognito's directives from the coaching staff, saying the franchise is fully cooperating with the NFL's independent investigation, which was requested by owner Steve Ross.
It is clear Incognito embraced his role as the team's enforcer and tough guy, his teammates said. However, nobody knew how troubling his relationship was with Martin, who started 10 straight games next to Incognito going back to the 2012 season, those same teammates added.
Martin abruptly left the team last week after a lunch room prank orchestrated by his fellow offensive lineman caused his emotional distress, and forced him to return to his California hometown, where he's receiving treatment.
The NFL Player's Association (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/career-workplace/unions/national-football-league-players-association-ORSPT00000409.topic) released a statement Tuesday saying it will monitor the NFL's investigation to ensure all the players the union represents, which includes Incognito, get a "fair investigation."
"We expect that the NFL and its clubs create a safe and professional workplace for all players and that owners, executives, coaches and players should set the best standards and examples," the statement read. "It is the duty of this union to hold the clubs and teams accountable for safety and professionalism in the workplace."
During Martin's rookie season he was nicknamed "Big Weirdo" by his teammates, and was forced to sport an embarrassing haircut given to him by the offensive linemen. He also forked over $15,000 for a veterans trip to Las Vegas he didn't attend.
The Dolphins traditionally hold rite of passage rituals for its rookies, and some of the team's antics – which included ridiculous haircuts, hair dying, and elaborate dinners paid for by the rookies – could be considered hazing. Those would make them a violation of the NFL's personal conduct policy.
Sources say players were annually directed by coach Joe Philbin (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/football/joe-philbin-PESPT0016423.topic) to "cut out" the rookie hazing. Philbin comes from a Green Bay Packers (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/football/green-bay-packers-ORSPT000042.topic) culture where rookie hazing is minimal, or at least subtle. While Philbin tried to rein it in with the Dolphins, he and his coaching staff never policed it when the team was dying and shaving heads for the second straight training camp.
However, Philbin did insist that the rookies got decent haircuts before the team's first exhibition game, but that was after weeks of them sporting their embarrassing looks.
Linebacker Dannell Ellerbe (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/football/dannell-ellerbe-PESPT0012395.topic) indicated that Martin should have come to the leadership council with his problems, which apparently carried over to his second season. The problem is Incognito was also on the leadership council, and possessed a tremendous amount of power and influence.
That might explains why Martin hid his issues with Incognito, and on occasion hung around with him in South Florida, and during road trips. It is possible Martin felt he had to do so to feel accepted.
According to ESPN (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/espn-%28tv-network%29-HOC792.topic), Martin told former Stanford teammate Zach Ertz (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/football/zach-ertz-PESPT0016735.topic) he planned to continue playing football. The Dolphins have kept him on the team's 53-man roster, and players have gone out their way to make sure he knows he's welcomed back.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If it's any kind of a big settlement, Martin will have it against the Dolphins and not Incognito himself. Incognito strikes me as the white trash type who blows everything he makes (total speculation), and it's not like he'll have future NFL wages to garnish :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

BREAKING NEWS: DOLPHINS COACHES ASK ICOGNITO TO TOUGHEN UP MARTIN





Sh*t just got realer
9:11 PM ETOmar Kelly (http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#section/1204/article/p2p-78065907/) of the Sun Sentinel reports on some more troubling details in regard to the Dolphins organization:
Miami Dolphins' coaches asked football player Richie Incognito, who was the offensive line's undisputed leader, to toughen up teammate Jonathan Martin after he missed a voluntary workout last spring, at least two sources told the Sun Sentinel.
The sources told the paper they believe that Incognito, who is accused of using racially incendiary language and bullying tactics against Martin, may have taken those orders too far.
"I'm just trying to weather the storm right now. This will pass," Incognito told WSVN-TV when reached outside a doctor's office.
(...)
Sources say that dialogue took place when Martin skipped two days of the team's OTA program, and Incognito was encouraged by his coaches to make a call that would "get him into the fold," one source said.





Yeah, if this is true then he has a fat claim against the Dolphins and is totally set. Philbin is also a total fucking moron for going to Incognito as some kind of team leader :lol

[Clipper Nation]

:lol How does Philbin still have a job at this point? Between him actually egging on the bullying and the fact that he's a shit coach, they might as well fire him now, tbh....

[Trill Clinton]

Yeah, if this is true then he has a fat claim against the Dolphins and is totally set. Philbin is also a total fucking moron for going to Incognito as some kind of team leader :lol

its like asking jerry sandusky to babysit for you while you go out of town lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol How does Philbin still have a job at this point? Between him actually egging on the bullying and the fact that he's a shit coach, they might as well fire him now, tbh....

Sorry but Ireland deserves to be fired 10x more than Philbin imo. He's the one who's assembled this offensive line of severe character flaws (Pouncey, Martin, Incognito) while letting Jake Long go, and has had god knows how many shitty draft picks since he was hired. He also hired Philbin, I've never understood when a coach gets fired but the GM who hired him keeps his job.

[Clipper Nation]

True, Ireland sucks ass too, they basically need a housecleaning from top to bottom at this point, tbh....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's actually amazing how long Ireland still keeps his job based off the :cry2008 Dolphins:cry and the :cryWildcat Offense that ended New England's regular season winning streak:cry. Since that season Miami's been every bit as shitty as they were before Ireland.

[HarlemHeat37]

I never thought the lawsuit would be against Incognito, it's been evident that Martin is going to sue not only the Dolphins, but also the NFL, tbh..

If I'm Martin, I'd claim to be bisexual, even if it's a lie, tbh..

Incognito has given himself a potential out, too, by blaming the coaches..I find it interesting that many Dolphins players have come to Incognito's defense, and most of them are Black..it should help his cause, if he plans on blaming the coaches throughout this ordeal..

[Chinook]

The racial stuff didn't bother me a bit. It's almost silly to think it would bother an NFL player. I honestly agree with Ricky Williams. Martin is probably not cut out for the league if he has that thin of skin. It may not be in his genes to stand up to a "bully", but that may explain why he can't hold down a starting job on that line.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm loving all the player comments from the Dolphins and among the NFL community...even socially awkward Ricky Williams hit it out of the park.

I'm happy to see the camaraderie of the players fighting back against fake outrage.

[jag]

Not new, but this is the stuff I find the most relevant:
Ricky Williams (who played with Incognito) when asked what he would do if Incognito left him a voicemail calling him a "half-n*gger piece of sh*t":

"I'd call him back and say 'shut up you redneck' and then we'd both laugh about it." He also went on to say that "The NFL isn't made for everyone. There's a reason I left in 2004. The NFL wasn't what I expected it to be and I couldn't handle it at first."


Trevor Matich, who played in the league for 12 years, just said, when asked if he had ever seen anything close to the Incognito-Martin stuff, said "it's a matter of degree" and that "things which are completely inappropriate in the regular world are absolutely necessary in the NFL."

Cris Carter spoke to Mike Pouncey, a (black) Dolphins OL, and Pouncey said that they don't consider Incognito a racist and that they think it's unfair that he's being depicted as a racist and is not getting a fair shake. Said that Mike Wallace also agreed with that.

Pouncey, Wallace, and other Dolphin payers also said that Incognito was well-respected in the lockerroom and that they wish he was playing for them this Sunday. Also, that Martin had thought about quitting football before any "hazing" incidents had happened, and that his background coming from a rich, well-educated family may have played a role in that (Martin's "lack of commitment" to football).


Incognito took it too far but this kind of behavior isn't out of the ordinary in the NFL. The players recognize that there is a crazy guy in every locker room. Incognito happened to be that guy. You can say racist things and not be a racist. You can be completely PC and outwardly tolerant and still hate minorities. I don't think any of this has anything to do with racism. Dude is obviously a shithead, but shitheads are usually guys you want on your OL/DL, not a puss like Martin.

Take an anonymous poll of every player in that locker room, including the rookies, and ask them who they'd rather have on the team. Incognito or Martin? We all know how that would go. It would be Incognito.

[JoeTait75]

The focus on Incognito's "racism" is myopic and typical for the media in this day and age.

[chunticakes]

the real victim here is incognito, tbh. martin fucked over his team with this victim facade.

[jag]

the real victim here is incognito, tbh. martin fucked over his team with this victim facade.

I wouldn't go that far.

[Chris]

I'm leaning towards Martin being a gigantic vagina. This guy checks himself into a hospital for emotional distress?! What a major league faggot. :lol

[spurraider21]

This story is being talked about way much considering how fucking boring of a story it is

[monosylab1k]

If Incognito hadn't dropped the N-bomb this story would have died 10 minutes after it blew up.

[SupremeGuy]

If Incognito hadn't dropped the N-bomb this story would have died 10 minutes after it blew up.Which is funny because according to the black players in the locker room, he was an "honorary" black.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

JaG hit the nail on the head tbh. Saying the word doesn't make you a racist, and being politically correct doesn't mean you're not a racist. It's the shallow news coverage, as well as the extremely simple minded and dumb people we have in this country that are incapable of thinking beyond, "Saying this word is racist, not saying this word isn't racist". For all the racist shit Donald Trump has said about how Obama is a Kenyan marxist who didn't really go to Columbia and that he'd give $1M to the "inner city charity" of Obama's choice if he provides his transcript, the only time there was ever public outrage over it was when Trump said "The blacks" instead of "The African American Community".

That being said, Incognito is still an idiot. There are people you can make racial jokes with and people you can't. I used to work with a black guy at an old job and we'd regularly say, "Don't get hung on a tree while I'm on break" or "Don't die in an oven while you're gone" type shit too each other but it's not like we made those jokes the second we started working together. The black people at my current job I don't know that well and I wouldn't dare say something like that to because they seem like the type that even get offended when another black person says the word.

[jag]

If Incognito hadn't dropped the N-bomb this story would have died 10 minutes after it blew up.

I disagree. Half of it is the racist stuff and the other half is the "bully" stuff. There's a new trend going on in the media right now to go after "bullies." Every time I turn on the tv there's a new special report about some bully in the workplace or a bully at school or a bully on the bus. There's a big nationwide crackdown right now on bullies.

This is the kind of shit we're preoccupied with right now in society. Bullies.

All of our kids are going to grow up to be homos. Raging, flaming homos.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I disagree. Half of it is the racist stuff and the other half is the "bully" stuff. There's a new trend going on in the media right now to go after "bullies." Every time I turn on the tv there's a new special report about some bully in the workplace or a bully at school or a bully on the bus. There's a big nationwide crackdown right now on bullies.

This is the kind of shit we're preoccupied with right now in society. Bullies.

All of our kids are going to grow up to be homos. Raging, flaming homos.

The stories of bullies on the school bus are always hilarious. With all the outrage over bullying that takes place on school buses, none of it is directed at the school districts that hire bus drivers who are 5 IQ points away from being Terry Shiavo and never give them training as to how they should handle bullying, even though there's a "bullying epidemic" on school buses.

[RD2191]

I hope DPG isnt being serious tbh.

[SupremeGuy]

I'm curious as to who the racist posters are going to defend now: the faggot oreo, or the "honorary black" white bully.

Also, apparently Martin's faggot-ass played the voicemails for several teammates and they all laughed about 'em. So yeah, his bs story is getting muddier by the day.

[jag]

Incognito and Martin: An Insider’s Story

Playing football is a man’s job, and if there’s any weak link, it gets weeded out...

Martin was expected to play left tackle beside Incognito at guard from the start, so Incognito took him under his wing. They were close friends by all apperances. Martin had a tendency to tank when things would get difficult in practice

...Personally, I know when a guy can’t handle razzing. You can tell that some guys just aren’t built for it. Incognito doesn’t have that filter. He was the jokester on the team, and he joked with everybody from players to coaches. That voicemail he sent came from a place of humor, but where he really screwed up was using the N-word. That, I cannot condone, and it’s probably the biggest reason he’s not with the team right now. Odd thing is, I’ve heard Incognito call Martin the same thing to his face in meetings and all Martin did was laugh.



http://mmqb.si.com/2013/11/07/richie-incognito-jonathan-martin-dolphins-lydon-murtha/

[resistanze]

Incognito called Martin a N****r in team meetings? Yeah, I find that part a little hard to believe. :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

Local sports radio down here has done a complete 180 within just a couple days...they're almost all Team Incognito now that more and more information is coming out.

LOL crybaby bitch Martin...better hope the tide doesn't turn nationally too. At least Good Morning America will still champion your cause. HI-FI (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=34236) was on-point with the sacrifice quip earlier

[monosylab1k]

According to some teammates, apparently Martin himself shared and passed around that voicemail to everyone else, treating it as a joke. This whole thing is so freaking bizarre.

[Holden_Caulfield]

if we have a team named redskins, how soon can we have one named niggas :lol LA niggas perhaps? oh wait too many mexicans :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

According to some teammates, apparently Martin himself shared and passed around that voicemail to everyone else, treating it as a joke. This whole thing is so freaking bizarre.

Do you think it's completely lawsuit-related, tbh?..

Seems evident IMO..

[Clipper Nation]

If the players are actually telling the truth and not just being coached by the team to do damage control, Martin looks a lot less sympathetic here, tbh....

[jag]

Incognito called Martin a N****r in team meetings? Yeah, I find that part a little hard to believe. :lol

I call people that in meetings all the time here at work.

"I thought you said you'd have those CAD drawings done by today. Where are my CAD drawings you half-n**ger piece of shit?" Then we all have a little chuckle.

[Fabbs]

I think there is a whole lot going on that has not yet been released to the public.

Harlem Heats theory is a solid estimate.
But again, there is something driving this whole thing.

Where Incognito and Martin sleeping together and this is a nasty *divorce*?
Hey, don't look at me like that. Just look at SpursTalk. 50% queer.

[Oh, Gee!!]

If Incognito threatened to kill and rape Martin, as alleged in some news reports, he should be suspended by the team even without the hazing and racial overtones. You kind of cross a line when you leave a voicemail for a co-worker threatening to kill and rape them; it's borderline criminal behavior in some states.

[SupremeGuy]

Do you think it's completely lawsuit-related, tbh?..

Seems evident IMO..Looking more and more like it. Or maybe, like most of his teammates are saying, he's just a fucking weird ass guy. His fucking nickname on the team is the "Big Weirdo" or some shit.

On a sidenote, lol @ people not defending him anymore. Don't get me wrong, Igcognito is a dick, but he's not a racist; and Martin is looking more and more crazy.

[DeadlyDynasty]

threatening to kill and rape them; it's borderline criminal behavior in some states.
I do that to a handful of posters here everyday

[DeadlyDynasty]

Looking more and more like it. Or maybe, like most of his teammates are saying, he's just a fucking weird ass guy. His fucking nickname on the team is the "Big Weirdo" or some shit.

On a sidenote, lol @ people not defending him anymore. Don't get me wrong, Igcognito is a dick, but he's not a racist; and Martin is looking more and more crazy.
He's supposedly had that nickname since college...just an awkward kid.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I do that to a handful of posters here everyday

thug life

[Michael Jordan.]

If the players are actually telling the truth and not just being coached by the team to do damage control, Martin looks a lot less sympathetic here, tbh....

Incognito is a huge douchebag. It sounds like they are being coached up to avoid a lawsuit

[DeadlyDynasty]

"His heart pump Kool-Aid"

[The Gemini Method]

The thing that really is interesting is that I wonder how much does the CTE issue, the Jovan Belcher/Paul Oliver/Junior Seau issue (or even the Sandusky cover-up) play into how big this issue is. I mean, Martin could've decided enough was enough and came back with an AR-15 and lay waste to the locker room. The whole issue is really an interesting one because you have the media jumping at every which way. You have those saying a racist isn't someone who says the n-word, which, is partially true but let's be real here Incognito is as racist as they come and on the other coin, Martin might be a big softy and handled it very well. I guess, though, as a society where we wonder why someone walks into their high schools after years of torment to only shoot and shoot until a body count is achieved it is still misunderstood. I don't think either one plays another down in the NFL. I do, however, see Martin resurfacing north of the border or something along those lines.

[DeadlyDynasty]

So we're giving brownie points for not going Columbine, now?

[The Gemini Method]

So we're giving brownie points for not going Columbine, now? Yes. Because at this point that's pretty much the only positive you can derive from this situation.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Yes. Because at this point that's pretty much the only positive you can derive from this situation.

He doesn't fit the demographic, can I get an AMEN?

[Trill Clinton]

The thing that really is interesting is that I wonder how much does the CTE issue, the Jovan Belcher/Paul Oliver/Junior Seau issue (or even the Sandusky cover-up) play into how big this issue is. I mean, Martin could've decided enough was enough and came back with an AR-15 and lay waste to the locker room. The whole issue is really an interesting one because you have the media jumping at every which way. You have those saying a racist isn't someone who says the n-word, which, is partially true but let's be real here Incognito is as racist as they come and on the other coin, Martin might be a big softy and handled it very well. I guess, though, as a society where we wonder why someone walks into their high schools after years of torment to only shoot and shoot until a body count is achieved it is still misunderstood. I don't think either one plays another down in the NFL. I do, however, see Martin resurfacing north of the border or something along those lines.


i agree.

the culture of the nfl is to be this hyper masculine-aggressive man who shows no signs of "weakness". martin is the exact opposite and unfortunately for him, he was drafted by a team who chose his worst nightmare as its unquestioned leader.

[Clipper Nation]

Incognito is a huge douchebag. It sounds like they are being coached up to avoid a lawsuit
Incognito is a douchebag no matter what (after all, you don't get kicked off two college teams and voted the NFL's dirtiest player without being one), but if Martin really was laughing Incognito's behavior off before, this is a CLEAR cash grab by a player who wasn't that good and doesn't want to play anymore, tbh....

[Creepn]

Incognito is a douchebag no matter what (after all, you don't get kicked off two college teams and voted the NFL's dirtiest player without being one), but if Martin really was laughing Incognito's behavior off before, this is a CLEAR cash grab by a player who wasn't that good and doesn't want to play anymore, tbh....

If that's the case then props to him trying to go out with his pockets being filled in light of all this CTE stuff going on, unlike that Denver Moffitt guy.

[Trill Clinton]

wow, just heard the black players considered icognito an 'honorary black'...shaking my fucking head if true. that locker room embraced a racist scumbag and allowed him to call them nigga/n!gger and alienated a brotha. locker room full of tap dancing house niggashttp://i40.tinypic.com/vpe0z4.png

[DeadlyDynasty]

Both blacks and whites are unified in their hatred of homosexuals, though--which I'm willing to bet JM admits to within a year. It's against the good book.

[AchillesHeel]

Shit is just weird, Incognito seems batshit crazy himself, but everyone seems to back him up and it looks like the big weirdo might just be too fucked up himself.

Calling someone half a nigga and threatening to kill and rape him is too much, no matter how you put it. You don't do shit like that.

[The Gemini Method]

I'm guess the supporters of Incognito that are black haven't by chance seen 12 Years a Slave...Didn't John Ireland ask Dez Bryant if his momma sucked dick for a livin'?

[BUMP]

TGM makes an appearance :tu

[The Gemini Method]

TGM makes an appearance :tu What's good, BUMP? They blocked message boards for a while with work and just didn't get around to coming through here as much. But good to see y'all keeping this place lively and interesting.

[monosylab1k]

The fact that the team backs Incognito probably has less to do with what a swell guy he is, and more to do with what an extremely oddball SAHWM Martin is.

[Creepn]

The fact that the team backs Incognito probably has less to do with what a swell guy he is, and more to do with what an extremely oddball SAHWM Martin is.

Possible, but either way, Martin got the proof of him calling him a half N*** and him wanting to defecate in his mouth. That's all he needs to back up his words no matter how many teammates backs up Incognito.

[leemajors]

http://deadspin.com/richie-incognito-was-accused-of-rubbing-his-junk-on-a-w-1460501852

[FkLA]

The then 34-year-old volunteer told police that Incognito had been drinking, and when he was at the hole where she was working, he rubbed her privates with a golf club and knocked a pair of sunglasses off her head with it, according to the report.
"After that, he proceeded to lean up against her buttocks with his private parts as if dancing, saying 'Let it rain! Let it rain!'" the report states. "He finally finished his inappropriate behavior by emptying bottled water in her face."

:lmao

[SupremeGuy]

I'm guess the supporters of Incognito that are black haven't by chance seen 12 Years a Slave...Didn't John Ireland ask Dez Bryant if his momma sucked dick for a livin'?Maybe he was looking to score some cheap strange?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao that story

[AaronY]

Fuck is a SAHWM?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Fuck is a SAHWM?

Socially Awkward Half-White Male?

[AaronY]

http://www.acronymfinder.com/Swedish-Association-for-Hunting-and-Wildlife-Management-%28SAHWM%29.html imo

[Trill Clinton]

http://deadspin.com/richie-incognito-was-accused-of-rubbing-his-junk-on-a-w-1460501852

jesus christ. yea icognito is a scumbag, but why did that lady just allow him to grope her like that? i mean a grown woman with common sense should have put a end to that at a moments notice. she must be weak to allow him assault her like that and she just stood there and took it.

[DeadlyDynasty]

You just compared Jonathan Martin to a woman...that speaks volumes unto itself.

[HI-FI]

The focus on Incognito's "racism" is myopic and typical for the media in this day and age.
true, but it's easier for media to focus on stupid shit like that than calling out president for lies, abuses of power etc....

I haven't read up on too much of this shit, but it does sound like Martin knows how to game the system since parents are both lawyers. everyone has to Shekelstein lawyer up in this day and age.

[AaronY]

Yeah, I'm disappointed ESPN doesn't call out Obama more too

[2pac > Kobe]

did anyone figure out that they were gay lovers

[Bill_Brasky]

anyone else buying an Incognito jersey?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Did anybody see Ross's press conference? Holy hell he looks like a Nazi propaganda Jewish caricature . At least 3/4 owners down here are Jewish. Ross and Arison are good guys though.

[Chinook]

So now Incognito's attorney released texts showing Martin and Incognito bantering back in forth using the same language as the infamous voicemail.

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=10382065&src=desktop


One of the graphic exchanges was dated Dec. 17, 2012. At one point during the conversation, Martin told Incognito, "Ima egg your house & light a bag of s--- on fire then ring your doorbell."

The teammates continued their banter, with Incognito responding, "I'm going to shoot you and claim self defense. I'm white ur black I'll walk."

Martin answered, saying, "I'm gonna give McDonald bath salts and lock him in your house with a tranquilizer gun & a box of sand paper condoms." Incognito replied to Martin, "Hahaha."

According to the report, Incognito and Martin returned to texting the next day as if nothing happened. Other texts released by Schamel to CBS4 showed similar exchanges between Incognito and Martin over the next several months, some that contained "threats" and talk about women, among other things.

Another exchange between the two came Oct. 23, when Incognito texted "F--- you!!!" to Martin, who responded with a photo that read, "I will murder your whole f---ing family."

After Martin left the Dolphins in October, there were other exchanges including when Incognito repeatedly asked Martin to call him and asked him if he was OK. Martin responded Nov. 1, saying, "Wassup man? The world's gone crazy lol I'm good tho congrats on the win."

Incognito replied, "Thanks dude. It's unbelievable all the attention this is getting. All that's important is that you feel better and know we miss u dude."

Martin then said in a text on the same day, "Yeah I'm good man. It's insane bro but just know I don't blame you guys at all its just the culture around football and the locker room got to me a little … Btw … never check yourself into a mental hospital."

Also on Nov. 2, Incognito called Martin "buddy," then pleaded for his help because he was getting "killed" in the media over the emerging scandal. However, Schamel said Martin never responded.

Dude's bitch-made seriously. We'll see if this slows down the PC agenda.

[MeloHype]

"I'm going to shoot you and claim self defense. I'm white ur black I'll walk."

:lol

[thunderup]

Incognito is my nigga

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I'm a faggot

[thunderup]

Meow

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I'm still a faggot

[spurraider21]

:lmao black panthers of ST

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

thunderup is a faggot

[thunderup]

Meow

[spurraider21]

hey no lyfe, just trying to help you out, your constant "you're a faggot" or "op is a faggot" shit isn't funny

[Clipper Nation]

:lol No Lyfe Faggot's comebacks are so vanilla and terrible, tbh....

[baseline bum]

"I'm going to shoot you and claim self defense. I'm white ur black I'll walk."

:lol

:rollin

my nigga Incognito

[HarlemHeat37]

As I said earlier in the thread, this was a great lawsuit attempt from Martin, tbh:lol..

He knew exactly how today's soft media would respond to this incident..

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol No Lyfe Faggot's comebacks are so vanilla and terrible, tbh....

At this point, it is "vanilla" to use the term "vanilla".

[MeloHype]

:rollin

my nigga Incognito
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/193ik1jcwz0d8jpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

[spurraider21]

At this point, it is "vanilla" to use the term "vanilla".
yeah i've been saying that for a while. i remember harlem used it way back, the DoK started using the shtick. now thunderup, floyd faggiaou, and CN have been going ham with it

[Clipper Nation]

At this point, it is "vanilla" to use the term "vanilla".

Not my fault that it accurately describes your comebacks, tbh :lol

[MeloHype]

http://i.imgur.com/DwCulYD.jpg

[Bill_Brasky]

anyone else buying an Incognito jersey?

[MeloHype]

433689056547835904

[djohn2oo8]

Paul, Weiss has conducted a comprehensive investigation, aided by full cooperation from the NFL, the National Football League Players Association and the Miami Dolphins. Paul, Weiss reviewed thousands of voluntarily produced documents, including text messages, emails and team policies, and completed more than 100 interviews, including interviews of all Dolphins players and coaches, key front office personnel, and the team’s owner and chairman.

Said Mr. Wells: “The Report concludes that three starters on the Dolphins offensive line, Richie Incognito (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3291/richie-incognito), John Jerry (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5881/john-jerry) and Mike Pouncey (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6478/mike-pouncey), engaged in a pattern of harassment directed at not only Jonathan Martin, but also another young Dolphins offensive lineman and an assistant trainer. The Report finds that the assistant trainer repeatedly was the object of racial slurs and other racially derogatory language; that the other offensive lineman was subjected to homophobic name-calling and improper physical touching; and that Martin was taunted on a persistent basis with sexually explicit remarks about his sister and his mother and at times ridiculed with racial insults and other offensive comments.”
“The Report rejects any suggestion that Martin manufactured claims of abuse after the fact to cover up an impetuous decision to leave the team. Contemporaneous text messages that Martin sent to his parents and others months before he left the Dolphins—which have never before been made public—corroborate his account that the persistent harassment by his teammates caused him significant emotional distress. The Report concludes that the harassment by Martin’s teammates was a contributing factor in his decision to leave the team, but also finds that Martin’s teammates did not intend to drive Martin from the team or cause him lasting emotional injury,” said Mr. Wells.
“Consistent with my prior practices involving similar investigative reports, it is not my present intention to hold a press conference or comment further about the Report. The Report is thorough and comprehensive, and speaks for itself,” said Mr. Wells.

[djohn2oo8]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/14/press-release-announcing-release-of-ted-wells-report/

[leemajors]

Incognito is fuuuuucked

[Chinook]

I don't mourn the probable death of Incognito's career. The dude's a POS, and I've disliked him for years. But I hate that this ruling endorsed Martin's bitch-made tactics.

[The Reckoning]

lol this would have never happened 20 years ago (the media break that is)

[LkrFan]

Richie's a POS scumbag, but for what he does on the field, not this lame shit. I'm sure Chumpdumper has already sent Martin a box of chocolates and a hallmark card though
:rollin :lmao :rollin

[Thread]

lol this would have never happened 20 years ago (the media break that is)

The Reck.

[djohn2oo8]

The Assistant Trainer We found that the Assistant Trainer, who
was born in Japan, was the target of frequent and persistent harassment, including insults relatingto his race and national origin. Incognito, Jerry and Pouncey admitted that they directed racially derogatory words toward him, including “Jap” and “Chinaman.” At times, according to Martin, they referred to the Assistant Trainer as a “dirty communist” or a “North Korean,” made demands such as “give me some water you ****ing chink,” spoke to him
in a phony, mocking Asian accent, including asking for “rubby rubby sucky sucky,” and called his mother a “rub and tug masseuse.” Martin and others
informed us that Incognito and Jerry taunted the Assistant Trainer with jokes about having sex with his girlfriend. Incognito admitted that these types of comments were made to the Assistant Trainer.

On December 7, 2012, the anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl
Harbor, Incognito, Jerry and Pouncey donned traditional Japanese headbands that featured a rising sun emblem (which the Assistant Trainer had given them) and jokingly threatened to harm the Assistant Trainer physically in retaliation for the Pearl Harbor attack. According to Martin, the
Assistant Trainer confided in him that he was upset about the Pearl Harbor comments, finding them derogatory toward his heritage. Martin and another player we interviewed both believed that the Assistant Trainer awkwardly laughed along with some of the racial insults, even though he was in fact offended. And both players seemed offended by the flagrant racial harassment of the Assistant Trainer

In a text message sent on November 4, 2013, Martin told a friend:
“I always felt so bad for [the Assistant Trainer] . . .it was really racist.” Martinclaims that a number of Dolphins employees saw how the Assistant Trainer was humiliated but did not intervene, including his supervisor, head trainer Kevin O’Neill, who allegedly even laughed at some of the racial insults.
As far as we know,none of the players, including Martin, confronted Incognito, Jerry or Pouncey about the racist comments directed at
the Assistant Trainer or demanded that they cease.When interviewed about these matters, the Assistant Trainer initially pleaded that he not be required to answer certain questions, implying that he could not be forthright because he was concerned about losing the trust of the players.

The Assistant Trainer further claimed that Incognito was his friend and asserted that Incognito had never offended him. He
told us that he could not recall if Incognitohad called him a
“Chinaman” or a “Jap,” and refused to answer the question whether Incognito had said anything about his girlfriend, saying that the inquiry made him “very uncomfortable.”We did not findthe Assistant Trainer’s denials believable.

Notably,hours after Martin left the team on October 28, the Assistant Trainer sent him a text message indicating that he had indeed been personally offended by the insults directed at him by Incognito, Jerry and Pouncey:
“Hey JM I understand how [y]ou feel man...They are relentless sometime.... Some day I wanna do exactly what you did today.” (emphasis
added and ellipses in original). The ceaseless racial ridicule directed at the Assistant Trainer was appalling and plainly over the line in any workplace.

We also find the treatment of the Assistant Trainer particularly
troubling because he was not a fellow football player,but a subordinate, a
member of the training staff. In our view, it is likely that the Assistant Trainer
felt that he had no standing or ability to fight back, and feared the loss of his job if he protested and the players did not take kindly to his complaints.
Again, as with Player A, we view the treatment of the Assistant Trainer as part of a pattern of abusive, unprofessional behavior.

[Avante]

This is the world our gay guy is heading. Anyone who has ever played football knows how it really is, no Incognito is not some rarity.

I'd be laying on the ground after being tackled and hear..."long day asshole". And that was high school football.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lmao Avante is actually sooooooo fucking corny, tbh..

[dirk4mvp]

No doubt avantes old faggot days of leather cap wearing football sucked tbh

[Avante]

:lmao Avante is actually sooooooo fucking corny, tbh..

Corny is using the NWO as an Avatar. What are you 15?

[Avante]

No doubt avantes old faggot days of leather cap wearing football sucked tbh

You really do need to bone up on your history half pint, ok? I was one of those guys who never left the field...

starting running back, defensive back and kick returner.punt returner, all the special teams. The perfect blend of speed, quicks and attitude.

[HarlemHeat37]

Corny is using the NWO as an Avatar. What are you 15?

Is this one better?..I bet you and Judy love my avatar now:lmao..

I bet you miss those hot nights when Lorenzo actually gave you permission to sit and watch in the room:lol..

[Avante]

See how it is here with all the put downs, racial remarks, cuts, jabs, well this is exactly what an football locker room is like. What it was is that Jonathan was a big pussy. Instead of coming back with.....suck my dick bitch...which is what we all need and look for he ....boohooboohoo....that's the problem here. We are all punks, so kick the shit out of each other don't be.....wahwahwahing around like some fucking sissy.

Take CN for example, I kick the shit out him of constantly and he just keeps coming back for me, ya gotta respect that.

[Avante]

Is this one better?..I bet you and Judy love my avatar now:lmao..

I bet you miss those hot nights when Lorenzo actually gave you permission to sit and watch in the room:lol..

Dude, nobody here is a teenager...ok? So why the stupid fantasy bullshit that only some dumbass kid like you would find funny? Talk like a man guy not some moron in hiding....ok?

The NWO little guy, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dirk4mvp]

Half pint? Bucko, I'm 6'2 ~280 lbs of twisted railroad steel. Big broad shoulders with wide hips and powerful arms. Yep you guessed it --- longtime weight lifter. Chugged a dozen eggs every morning before my shift at the cheese factory to boot.

[Avante]

Half pint? Bucko, I'm 6'2 ~280 lbs of twisted railroad steel. Big broad shoulders with wide hips and powerful arms. Yep you guessed it --- longtime weight lifter. Chugged a dozen eggs every morning before my shift at the cheese factory to boot.

Only queers call anyone.....Bucko.

And it's...

two eggs
teaspoon of honey
a pack of Instant Breakfast
1 banana
a tablespoon of vanila ice cream
milk

...in a blender.

[dirk4mvp]

:lol "instant breakfast"
:lol metamucil

[Avante]

:lol "instant breakfast"
:lol metamucil

Dude why advertise your stupity over and over again? Nobody said anything about metamucil...right? And if you had even half a brain you'd know about Instant Breakfast.

[dirk4mvp]

You're boring you fat ol fuck.

[Avante]

You're boring you fat ol fuck.


You;d know all about boring ya little shit. As you can see asshole, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183491

[dirk4mvp]

Why are you scared to prove posters wrong about how disgustingly out of shape you are? :lol