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RsxPiimp
11-05-2013, 01:49 AM
A. Your big man who has 1st option entitlement is past his athletic peak, has zero post game and is a foul machine. And no, Olajuwon won't make miracles.

B. Your Best offensive player is a huge liability on defense



This team is going to be really good, but they're not championship material until problem A accepts the fact he's a glorified Tyson Chandler at this stage of his career.

If you look at every dynasty, you know it's a matter of time before they win championships. Truth is Harden and Dwight aren't championship material.

Venti Quattro
11-05-2013, 01:54 AM
Not necessarily a disaster because they're 3-1. But they play little defense and this is something that needs to be fixed before they hit the playoffs in April.

RsxPiimp
11-05-2013, 02:12 AM
People might think its a knee jerk reaction but honestly it's not. Dwight need a top Level talent to be succesful. Harden, though elite is not the type of player that can carry Dwight's offensive liability.


I look at Dwight and he's just hopeless. He couldn't even dominate Gasol during his prime in 2009 and was successfully neutralized by San Antonio last year. He's a great defensive force but he has no post moves. Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan. Heck even Gasol, can be counted on to score buckets when the game is on the line, Howard will clank FT's for you in crucial situations.

ElNono
11-05-2013, 02:17 AM
If Houston has a problem, what you call the Lakeshow, tbh? :lol

kamikazi_player
11-05-2013, 02:19 AM
:lol lakerfan in disguise still butthurt that Howard left even after the begging

Indazone
11-05-2013, 02:23 AM
Harden had to be stoned

Thebesteva
11-05-2013, 02:32 AM
I understand why Houston is and should be excited, they got 10 x better and are possibly a contender with another move or so. But the Bball IQ from Howard+Harden is in the negatives.

Oh yeah and lol @ the next Kobe and Shaq

RsxPiimp
11-05-2013, 02:33 AM
If Houston has a problem, what you call the Lakeshow, tbh? :lol

A hot pile of shitty mess :lol

Thebesteva
11-05-2013, 02:34 AM
:lol lakerfan in disguise still butthurt that Howard left even after the begging

:lol can't deny the begging was pathetic. It was literally embarrassing driving around the city and seeing the signs all over Hollywood and downtown LA as if Howard was a superstar. Amazing how much pull the Lakers org. has on this city. Jerry is rolling over in his grave along with the dead escorts he took with him.

RsxPiimp
11-05-2013, 02:35 AM
I understand why Houston is and should be excited, they got 10 x better and are possibly a contender with another move or so. But the Bball IQ from Howard+Harden is in the negatives.

Oh yeah and lol @ the next Kobe and Shaq
There's no denying they will be really good. I just don't think they're winning a title as a 1-2 punch. Dwight is too stupid to lead a team.

lefty
11-05-2013, 02:37 AM
:lol Morey
:lol The Bendover397605192884961280

Thebesteva
11-05-2013, 02:37 AM
There's no denying they will be really good. I just don't think they're winning a title as a 1-2 punch. Dwight is too stupid to lead a team.

Way too stupid and arrogant prick. Don't get me wrong, Kobe acted like Juwanna Mann per par. However, Dwight thinking he's going to lead a team to the title is hilarious.

To be fair, he looked like a legend in the making circa 2009, perhaps a Courtney Lee layup away from beating the Lakers. But the guy has shot his load.

RsxPiimp
11-05-2013, 02:40 AM
:lol Morey
:lol The Bendover397605192884961280

:lol

RsxPiimp
11-05-2013, 02:43 AM
Way too stupid and arrogant prick. Don't get me wrong, Kobe acted like Juwanna Mann per par. However, Dwight thinking he's going to lead a team to the title is hilarious.

To be fair, he looked like a legend in the making circa 2009, perhaps a Courtney Lee layup away from beating the Lakers. But the guy has shot his load.

Yeah to be fair, Orlando was outmatched. Perhaps a healthy Meer in that series would've also changed the series. I rember Nelson killing the Lakers in 2 meetings that year.

D-Wade
11-05-2013, 02:44 AM
:lol Morey
:lol The Bendover397605192884961280

WTF??! Wow that's sad... :lol

AchillesHeel
11-05-2013, 07:23 AM
Rockets are maybe the 4th best team in the West, 2nd round exit, Warriors would kick their ass in the playoffs.

Double-Up
11-05-2013, 08:47 AM
Two words: Harden injuried

Anyone could see that, hell the nigga could barely get to the rim.

StrengthAndHonor
11-05-2013, 10:09 AM
Two words: Harden injuried

Anyone could see that, hell the nigga could barely get to the rim.

Also, Harden usually puts up horrible numbers against the Clippers. NBATV brought up his stats, and in 13 games against the Clippers, he averaged 11..6 PPG in 36% shooting. That's terrible.

Rogue
11-05-2013, 10:16 AM
Both Harden and DH could be excellent sidekicks to a great player but you can't expect them to lead a championship contender themselves. They are just not the right materials for you to make a Paul Pierce, Tim Duncan or Dirk Nowitzki tbh.

StrengthAndHonor
11-05-2013, 10:16 AM
People might think its a knee jerk reaction but honestly it's not. Dwight need a top Level talent to be succesful. Harden, though elite is not the type of player that can carry Dwight's offensive liability.


I look at Dwight and he's just hopeless. He couldn't even dominate Gasol during his prime in 2009 and was successfully neutralized by San Antonio last year. He's a great defensive force but he has no post moves. Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan. Heck even Gasol, can be counted on to score buckets when the game is on the line, Howard will clank FT's for you in crucial situations.

I feel Harden, like Melo will always be 2nd tier perimeter type of guys. I just don't think they have the ability to play great on both ends. Kobe, Wade for example during their prime can absolutely put their mind on the defensive end and be successful even in short spurts. Harden will score and set pick and rolls but that's the bottom line of his game. Harden would have to be absolutely amazing in the playoffs if they Houston wants to go deeper in the playoffs. I said before they still have the highest ceiling among NBA teams if they figure it out. NOt having Beverley out there also hurts them. CP3 was able to do anything he wants on Lin.

HarlemHeat37
11-05-2013, 03:13 PM
:lol over-analyzing after 1 week of basketball, tbh..

Houston is going to need months to figure out their chemistry, and there's no way Asik doesn't get traded for a traditional 4 IMO..

I wouldn't pick them to win the title, but they will be a force in the playoffs..

DMC
11-05-2013, 03:30 PM
Laker fan stalking unrequited love per par

hater
11-05-2013, 03:32 PM
If Houston has a problem, what you call the Lakeshow, tbh? :lol

rebuilding

Katherine Robinson
11-05-2013, 04:14 PM
The Houston Rockets we see now is a defender & leader away from becoming a dynasty. Until they acquire this prerequisite, they are simply the Houston Clippers.

hater
11-05-2013, 04:48 PM
when your cornerstone to a championship is a white boy called Chandler and another cornerstone is a chinese guy called Lin, you have a fucking roblem

:lol

DMC
11-05-2013, 11:05 PM
when your cornerstone to a championship is a white boy called Chandler and another cornerstone is a chinese guy called Lin, you have a fucking roblem

:lol

No, you have a rucking plobrem.

Cry Havoc
11-05-2013, 11:19 PM
There's no denying they will be really good. I just don't think they're winning a title as a 1-2 punch. Dwight is too stupid to lead a team.

And what genius options did Houston have available to them in the off season that would have given them a serious chance at a title this year? I'll wait.

Rogue
11-06-2013, 06:35 AM
the current rockets ain't nowhere higher than the 05-07 team featuring t-mac and that 7'6 piece of shit, just a paper tiger and 1st round fodder, they may advance to the 2nd round with some luck but won't go anywhere further imho.

Michael Jordan.
11-06-2013, 09:52 AM
:lol lakers

AchillesHeel
11-06-2013, 12:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k3QdvfjXpM

DAF86
11-06-2013, 12:41 PM
People might think its a knee jerk reaction but honestly it's not. Dwight need a top Level talent to be succesful. Harden, though elite is not the type of player that can carry Dwight's offensive liability.


I look at Dwight and he's just hopeless. He couldn't even dominate Gasol during his prime in 2009 and was successfully neutralized by San Antonio last year. He's a great defensive force but he has no post moves. Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan. Heck even Gasol, can be counted on to score buckets when the game is on the line, Howard will clank FT's for you in crucial situations.

Top level talent like Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis?

PingPong
11-06-2013, 12:45 PM
D-Ho just ran over Lopez like a truck against Portland...

DAF86
11-06-2013, 12:46 PM
:lol over-analyzing after 1 week of basketball, tbh..

Houston is going to need months to figure out their chemistry, and there's no way Asik doesn't get traded for a traditional 4 IMO..

I wouldn't pick them to win the title, but they will be a force in the playoffs..

Asik for Bonner, Patty Mills and De Colo. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oxnfzyj

Do it Daryl.

DAF86
11-06-2013, 12:48 PM
That fucking "save trade" option works like shit, tbh.

Michael Jordan.
11-06-2013, 12:51 PM
Asik for Bonner, Patty Mills and De Colo. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oxnfzyj

Do it Daryl.

:lol Morey won't make Kupchak trades.

DAF86
11-06-2013, 12:53 PM
:lol Morey won't make Kupchak trades.

If we throw Boris in there instead of Bonner do you think he would do it? Would the Spurs do it?

HarlemHeat37
11-06-2013, 02:06 PM
If we throw Boris in there instead of Bonner do you think he would do it? Would the Spurs do it?

I wouldn't do it for the new Boris, tbh..

Asik would frustrate us just like Splitter does on the offensive end IMO..

kamikazi_player
11-06-2013, 02:40 PM
What a surprise, this fucker OP lakerfan in disguise goes AWOL when the rockets are doing well. Probably crying himself to sleep knowing d-ho left to go for a team that has a better chance to win a championship.

GuerillaBlack
11-06-2013, 03:15 PM
I wouldn't do it for the new Boris, tbh..

Asik would frustrate us just like Splitter does on the offensive end IMO..

But he is much better defensively. Rockets would shit at that trade anyway.

HarlemHeat37
11-06-2013, 03:18 PM
Obviously, but I don't think Asik fits well with the Spurs with Splitter already on the roster..

Spurs were an elite defensive team last year, they actually had more problems on offense than they did on defense..

Bulaien999
11-06-2013, 03:48 PM
What a surprise, this fucker OP lakerfan in disguise goes AWOL when the rockets are doing well. Probably crying himself to sleep knowing d-ho left to go for a team that has a better chance to win a championship.

He will be back next time Dwight has a bad game.

Lmao because Dwight shooting free throws better then advertised

hater
11-06-2013, 03:57 PM
1st round fodder. No team led by Dwight and supported by Chandler and Lin will ever smell 2nd round.

that is a given

Bulaien999
11-06-2013, 04:04 PM
1st round fodder. No team led by Dwight and supported by Chandler and Lin will ever smell 2nd round.

that is a given

Harden lead team you mean.....

It's alright to keep thinking spurs will automatically get to the finals again but to dismiss another good team is retarded

Michael Jordan.
11-06-2013, 04:07 PM
1st round fodder. No team led by Dwight and supported by Chandler and Lin will ever smell 2nd round.

that is a given
Yeah Harden is the leader.

hater
11-06-2013, 04:08 PM
Harden lead team you mean.....

It's alright to keep thinking spurs will automatically get to the finals again but to dismiss another good team is retarded

spurs won't get to the finals. Unless Belli becomes our 4th best player and Kawhi reaches the allstar 2nd round fodder IMO

and my statement stands a Dwight - Harden led team supported by Chandler and Lin is nothing but 1st round fodder unless they have the luck to face an injured team

Michael Jordan.
11-06-2013, 04:14 PM
spurs won't get to the finals. Unless Belli becomes our 4th best player and Kawhi reaches the allstar 2nd round fodder IMO

and my statement stands a Dwight - Harden led team supported by Chandler and Lin is nothing but 1st round fodder unless they have the luck to face an injured team
Retarded statement.

hater
11-06-2013, 04:17 PM
Retarded statement.

coming from the Bobcats owner, I'll take that as a compliment

:lmao

Michael Jordan.
11-06-2013, 04:18 PM
coming from the Bobcats owner, I'll take that as a compliment

:lmao

Nope. Just flat out retarded.

hater
11-06-2013, 04:19 PM
:lol Bobcats

Michael Jordan.
11-06-2013, 04:21 PM
:lol Bobcats

Indeed. Still, your statement is retarded.

hater
11-06-2013, 04:23 PM
Indeed. Still, your statement is retarded.

I can see why the bobcats owner would think so.

but you can take it to the bank. Rockets will not get past round 1 without an injury to the opponent. and if Spurs keep playing shit ball squeaking past teams like the Nuggets, they will not smell round 3. Take it to the bank :tu

Arcadian
11-06-2013, 04:25 PM
:lol D-Ho past his prime already
:lol His prime wasn't even that good
:lol Overhyped piece of shit

Michael Jordan.
11-06-2013, 04:26 PM
I can see why the bobcats owner would think so.

but you can take it to the bank. Rockets will not get past round 1 without an injury to the opponent. and if Spurs keep playing shit ball squeaking past teams like the Nuggets, they will not smell round 3. Take it to the bank :tu
Yeah your takes aren't worth carrying around the corner.

hater
11-06-2013, 04:28 PM
Yeah your takes aren't worth carrying around the corner.

ok then :rolleyes

kamikazi_player
11-06-2013, 04:48 PM
Yeah your takes aren't worth carrying around the corner.
Agreed

RsxPiimp
11-06-2013, 06:53 PM
Top level talent like Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis?

honestly? dwight would either need a super stack team or someone like lebron, prime kobe, pierce, dirk or wade.


i'm glad that most of you agree me though. the rockets will be a contender in the playoffs, but dwight and harden duo are not good enough to win it all.

RsxPiimp
11-06-2013, 06:57 PM
He will be back next time Dwight has a bad game.

Lmao because Dwight shooting free throws better then advertised

I'm not going to bump this everytime Howard has a bad game. He didn't had a bad game against the Clippers when I created this thread.


As a fan of the game for so long, I or most fans can tell if certain talents can win a championship. Dwight is ana amzing talent even at 80% but his ship has sailed in Orlando. Unfortunately for him, he never had the right group of players to help him win a title, whether its Rashard, Gilbert or Vince.


Harden is elite, sure, but I can't see him elevating his game on both ends of the floor. The formula for championship 1-2 duo has always been the same and it's not going to change now.


Dwight is a liability on offense and Harden is a one trick pony.

DAF86
11-06-2013, 06:59 PM
honestly? dwight would either need a super stack team or someone like lebron, prime kobe, pierce, dirk or wade.


i'm glad that most of you agree me though. the rockets will be a contender in the playoffs, but dwight and harden duo are not good enough to win it all.

Well, he did reach the NBA finals with those two as arguably his best teammates.

Rogue
11-06-2013, 09:20 PM
1st round fodder. No team led by Dwight and supported by Chandler and Lin will ever smell 2nd round.

that is a given

Can't agree more on this one, bro. Chandler is decent though. Just like I said many times, this current rockets team ain't much better than the 05-09 team led by T-Mac and that 7'6 piece of shit, and the old Rockets only won the 1st round once in 09 against probably the worst playoff team that year (blazers) when that team was actually led by MWP

Rin is an atrocious scrub and it's fair to say it was his yellow skin that earned him a Harvard degree and a job in NBA tbh.

hater
11-06-2013, 09:29 PM
Can't agree more on this one, bro. Chandler is decent though. Just like I said many times, this current rockets team ain't much better than the 05-09 team led by T-Mac and that 7'6 piece of shit, and the old Rockets only won the 1st round once in 09 against probably the worst playoff team that year (blazers) when that team was actually led by MWP

Rin is an atrocious scrub and it's fair to say it was his yellow skin that earned him a Harvard degree and a job in NBA tbh.

:tu

truth bombs ma nigga

RsxPiimp
11-08-2013, 12:40 AM
:lmao i just had to

sook
11-08-2013, 12:42 AM
^ Nash with the veteran bear hug play

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/820341308.gif?1383888794.

Still the rockets deserved to lose. Now they can trade Asik.

kamikazi_player
11-08-2013, 12:45 AM
:lol finally comes out of hiding

lefty
11-08-2013, 12:46 AM
http://www.lolception.com/lollibs/memeimgs/437599513.jpg

Venti Quattro
11-08-2013, 01:09 AM
http://i.imgur.com/1aD2UlT.jpg

Sportstudi
11-08-2013, 01:10 AM
http://i.imgur.com/1aD2UlT.jpg

:lmao

thunderup
11-08-2013, 01:15 AM
:lmao Rocketrefs

testies
11-08-2013, 02:51 AM
i'm wondering if mchale is just a bad coach, their defence looks all over the place.. he's a really likeable guy though

Chinook
11-08-2013, 03:58 AM
Asik for Hawes in some form. About the best they can do. Maybe they can get more if they throw in Parsons.

Rogue
11-08-2013, 07:22 AM
but how was supposed to guard blake? is it again... Rin? But dude was too busy cuddling Nash at the moment, which must have torn apart Chandler Parsons's heart tbh

DMC
11-08-2013, 09:51 AM
Houston's problems in order of priority:

1. McHale
2. Lin
3. See 1


Kevin couldn't coach little league. If the Rockets are serious, they need to get a real coach who runs a real system. That hybrid SSOL shit Kevin is trying to run with Howard on the floor has been shown to be ineffective against even decent defenses. Big like Howard and Asik cannot occupy the same space in that system. They could work a half court offense much better, slow it down and get good looks. The problem is that Howard cannot hit a fucking FT, and so he's a poor choice for any post work because he's stoppable, unlike Shaq was.

The reason I don't call Howard a problem is because he's a known quality, and you just have to know where and how to apply it.

Time will tell if Houston gets their shit together, but that stuff they are doing right now isn't even basketball.

DMC
11-08-2013, 09:56 AM
I'm not going to bump this everytime Howard has a bad game. He didn't had a bad game against the Clippers when I created this thread.


As a fan of the game for so long, I or most fans can tell if certain talents can win a championship. Dwight is ana amzing talent even at 80% but his ship has sailed in Orlando. Unfortunately for him, he never had the right group of players to help him win a title, whether its Rashard, Gilbert or Vince.


Harden is elite, sure, but I can't see him elevating his game on both ends of the floor. The formula for championship 1-2 duo has always been the same and it's not going to change now.


Dwight is a liability on offense and Harden is a one trick pony.

Harden has been artificially injected into the elite class of players, but the fact you can say "not on the defensive end" means he's not elite. Elite players play on both ends of the floor. A prime KG was a beast on both ends. Same for Duncan, same for Kobe, same for Lebron, same for Michael. These fucking volume shooters are not elite players. They are elite shooters, good ball handlers, make ok decisions on offense sometimes, but the league is so fucking watered down by chuckers that a non defending shooter is consider elite these days.

Venti Quattro
11-08-2013, 10:04 AM
They are elite shooters, good ball handlers, make ok decisions on offense sometimes, but the league is so fucking watered down by chuckers that a non defending shooter is consider elite these days.

This is because of the video game mentality where players are expected to emulate stuff on video games. Fuck fundamentals when you're on a hot streak, right?

Case in point: The post game is a dying art because of monkeys who just prefer to jump over people and spear-chuck threes. Few players invest work and time on a post game, and guess what, these are the league's elites and champions.

Vash StampedE
11-08-2013, 10:15 AM
^ Nash with the veteran bear hug play

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/820341308.gif?1383888794.

Still the rockets deserved to lose. Now they can trade Asik.
Not sure who to blame on that play, if it's either Howard or Beverley, but still the 3-time defensive player of the year showing he only knows spiking balls and that his team will lose if Lakers hit a three. Or perhaps, he didn't know the latter.

DMC
11-08-2013, 10:19 AM
This is because of the video game mentality where players are expected to emulate stuff on video games. Fuck fundamentals when you're on a hot streak, right?

Case in point: The post game is a dying art because of monkeys who just prefer to jump over people and spear-chuck threes. Few players invest work and time on a post game, and guess what, these are the league's elites and champions.

Funny you say "video game" because NBA 2K14 is even more of a chucker's paradise than it's predecessor, and it rewards solid defense with endless offensive put backs.

Killakobe81
11-08-2013, 11:15 AM
Houston's problems in order of priority:

1. McHale
2. Lin
3. See 1


Kevin couldn't coach little league. If the Rockets are serious, they need to get a real coach who runs a real system. That hybrid SSOL shit Kevin is trying to run with Howard on the floor has been shown to be ineffective against even decent defenses. Big like Howard and Asik cannot occupy the same space in that system. They could work a half court offense much better, slow it down and get good looks. The problem is that Howard cannot hit a fucking FT, and so he's a poor choice for any post work because he's stoppable, unlike Shaq was.

The reason I don't call Howard a problem is because he's a known quality, and you just have to know where and how to apply it.

Time will tell if Houston gets their shit together, but that stuff they are doing right now isn't even basketball.

It's imho:

1. Asik/Dwight Asik doesnt even want to make that work and neither does Dwight ...stat geek Morey should punch DAT in to his analytics ...
2. McHale. When was he a good coach or GM? He should take over Pete Newell's big man camp and teach his skills to young center/power forwards.
3. Dwight's Ft's
4. Perimeter defense outside of Beverly ...even parsons and Harden are gamblers ... not true defenders like Bulls, pacers and Spurs have ...
5. Harden (mchale's?) reliance on iso and pnr that gets stifled by better teams (see Heat in finals)

Venti Quattro
11-08-2013, 11:18 AM
Lakers and Rockets got fooled into thinking that Dwight was gonna solve his fundamental problems once he went into a contender. Guy's 27 and he still does not have a SINGLE post move that he can put into his memory and which he can do consistently.

Killakobe81
11-08-2013, 11:18 AM
Harden has been artificially injected into the elite class of players, but the fact you can say "not on the defensive end" means he's not elite. Elite players play on both ends of the floor. A prime KG was a beast on both ends. Same for Duncan, same for Kobe, same for Lebron, same for Michael. These fucking volume shooters are not elite players. They are elite shooters, good ball handlers, make ok decisions on offense sometimes, but the league is so fucking watered down by chuckers that a non defending shooter is consider elite these days.

he is a great scorer using the refs to his advantage. But he IS a bit overrated and the fact he is considered the best SG tells you how much the position has fallen off .. only center is worse in the league right now ... Sf/PG is stacked ..when the PG's are healthy. Paul George an ascendant star is probably only the third best Sf but if he goes back to SG he leapfrogs Harden tbh ...

Brazil
11-08-2013, 11:28 AM
Harden has been artificially injected into the elite class of players, but the fact you can say "not on the defensive end" means he's not elite. Elite players play on both ends of the floor. A prime KG was a beast on both ends. Same for Duncan, same for Kobe, same for Lebron, same for Michael. These fucking volume shooters are not elite players. They are elite shooters, good ball handlers, make ok decisions on offense sometimes, but the league is so fucking watered down by chuckers that a non defending shooter is consider elite these days.

don't disagree on the D end but saying he just made ok decisions on offense sometimes is harsh, dude was leading the fourth quarters of a western conference winner team. I'd say he was great.

Clipper Nation
11-08-2013, 11:30 AM
This is because of the video game mentality where players are expected to emulate stuff on video games. Fuck fundamentals when you're on a hot streak, right?

Case in point: The post game is a dying art because of monkeys who just prefer to jump over people and spear-chuck threes. Few players invest work and time on a post game, and guess what, these are the league's elites and champions.
I actually blame the AAU and one-and-done culture more than video games, it doesn't seem like players are getting proper instruction on the fundamentals from AAU yes-men or one year of college....

jeebus
11-08-2013, 11:32 AM
Harden is a little diva bitch. If he doesn't get the ball to run hero/ISO plays, he just quits. Look here


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c9dClaPKgk

Faggot calls for the ball so he can Kobe that bitch and chuck up a contested jumper. But when Lin gets the ball and tries to call a play, Harden turns into an emo kunt and ignores him. lol Houston. they deserves this clown and Dwight.

Killakobe81
11-08-2013, 11:36 AM
I actually blame the AAU and one-and-done culture more than video games, it doesn't seem like players are getting proper instruction on the fundamentals from AAU yes-men or one year of college....

CN is correct. it's why I stopped coaching that level of boys ...
And 1 and the mentality of "breaking ankles" with a million dollar moves with a $1 finish ...

But Harden actually has preety good fundamentals on offense and is exploiting the current rules of the game. Sure it's ugly but he is savvy to do so ... on the NBA to curb that tbh ...

Mugen
11-08-2013, 11:37 AM
Harden is a huge faggot tbh. Hasn't gotten the criticism he deserves yet because Spurfan was happy to see him leave OKC but he just doesn't have the same talent/athleticism as prime Kirby or Wade and arguably even Manu.

He's also got Kirby's mentality and the same qualities as a shitty teammate which are exacerbated by a retarded coach tbh.

Killakobe81
11-08-2013, 11:39 AM
Harden is a huge faggot tbh. Hasn't gotten the criticism he deserves yet because Spurfan was happy to see him leave OKC but he just doesn't have the same talent/athleticism as prime Kirby or Wade and arguably even Manu.

He's also got Kirby's mentality and the same qualities as a shitty teammate which are exacerbated by a retarded coach tbh.

Prime Manu was a sneaky good athlete similar to Harden but i think Manu was quicker more explosive Harden though is clever, he took the euro-step flopping and initiating contact tricks that Manu used to a whole another level.

Clipper Nation
11-08-2013, 11:40 AM
Another problem with Harden besides his hideous style of play is his selfishness.... not only is he a ref-dependent chucker, he's a ballhog as well, tbh....

Raven
11-08-2013, 12:12 PM
:lmao Rocketrefs

2/10

Venti Quattro
11-08-2013, 12:27 PM
Harden should have been the sidekick that Durant had rather than Westbrook

hater
11-08-2013, 01:15 PM
told ya niggas :lmao :lmao

where MJ the bobcat's owner? :lol

TampaDude
11-08-2013, 02:02 PM
DH was 1 for 6 from the stripe in crunch time.

Turrible...just turrible...

Bynumite
11-08-2013, 02:32 PM
And spurfan says Kobe only plays one side of the floor, Kobe is 35 and has a lot of mileage and heavy offensive duties. Harden is a young dude and his defense is already atrocious, if this is the best the shooting guard position has to offer nowadays, the NBA is heading to a bad place.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIyiEc1741s

A 24 year old Kobe was a better shooter, 1 on 1 defender, more athletic, had better fundamentals and post game and didn't rely so heavily on calls to get his numbers.

DMC
11-08-2013, 03:11 PM
It's imho:

1. Asik/Dwight Asik doesnt even want to make that work and neither does Dwight ...stat geek Morey should punch DAT in to his analytics ...
2. McHale. When was he a good coach or GM? He should take over Pete Newell's big man camp and teach his skills to young center/power forwards.
3. Dwight's Ft's
4. Perimeter defense outside of Beverly ...even parsons and Harden are gamblers ... not true defenders like Bulls, pacers and Spurs have ...
5. Harden (mchale's?) reliance on iso and pnr that gets stifled by better teams (see Heat in finals)

1. Neither player makes that decision, that's up to the coach.
2. Never. Most NBA greats cannot coach worth a fuck because they never studied the game as much as people who struggled to stay in the NBA.
3. Known going into the season. If that's a problem, so is the fact that he cannot play the post. It's what they bought.
4. That's up to the coach as well
5. More coach

DMC
11-08-2013, 03:13 PM
don't disagree on the D end but saying he just made ok decisions on offense sometimes is harsh, dude was leading the fourth quarters of a western conference winner team. I'd say he was great.

Leading in what way? In defense? In rotations? In scoring? What?

Brazil
11-08-2013, 03:21 PM
Leading in what way? In defense? In rotations? In scoring? What?

he was the one with the ball in his hands late in the games during the whole POs, he was making plays, feeding Durant, drawing fools and scoring. Westbrick was just making bad decisions after bad decisions. The alpha of that team when the game was in line was Harden.

He sucked in the finals tho no denial here but saying he made ok decisions on offense sometimes is harsh

DMC
11-08-2013, 04:13 PM
he was the one with the ball in his hands late in the games during the whole POs, he was making plays, feeding Durant, drawing fools and scoring. Westbrick was just making bad decisions after bad decisions. The alpha of that team when the game was in line was Harden.

He sucked in the finals tho no denial here but saying he made ok decisions on offense sometimes is harsh

"On offense" doesn't always mean "with the ball". He doesn't move worth a fuck without it, and doesn't set screens in Houston that I could discern.

StrengthAndHonor
11-08-2013, 07:20 PM
Someone posted these, just had to share :lol http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/820467449.gif?1383933164

Katherine Robinson
11-08-2013, 07:23 PM
Someone posted these, just had to share :lol http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/820467449.gif?1383933164

Steve Nash can play better defense than this...