So the Thunder traded Jeff Greens for Porkins

[lefty]

Just an observation

( what a Spursraiderresque thread)

[Raven]

westbruck, harden, durant, green, ibaka...

[Rogue]

not as bad as trading beard nigga for a one-season rental of Martin and lamb though, at least Pork did a fine job on Tammy during the 2012 WCF and earned them an appearance in the NBA finals.

[lefty]

But Green = GOD !!!!

[racm]

not as bad as trading beard nigga for a one-season rental of Martin and lamb though, at least Pork did a fine job on Tammy during the 2012 WCF and earned them an appearance in the NBA finals.

Pretty sure Presti would like to think of it as the Steven Adams trade.

[td4mvp2k]

Lol methkc stealn teams... Sh*ty fans like TU... :lol

[ElNono]

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[elmanutres]

not as bad as trading beard nigga for a one-season rental of Martin and lamb though, at least Pork did a fine job on Tammy during the 2012 WCF and earned them an appearance in the NBA finals.

Too bad they are responsible for both of those trades

[monosylab1k]

Also rejected a trade for Tyson Chandler. lol they'd have curbstomped Miami 3 years straight now with Tyson, Green, and Harden.

:lol presti
:lol called a "genius" for picking good players with top 5 picks.

[Rogue]

they didn't reject the Chandler deal if I remember correct. It was TC himself who failed medical so the trade was rescinded as a result.

[OKC]

Perkins for Green, at the time, was a good move. Green was a joke at PF and OKCs biggest hole at the time was front court defense. They were getting abused by bigger front courts. Perk has now moved aside for Adams. He is no longer OKCs man in the middle.

[JMarkJohns]

I wouldn't say he failed a physical. The OKC docs red flagged a toe. Technically, yeah, but it was a toe. Clearly that's not been an issue too much since.

Guy had just helped Hornets to semis, then helped the Bobcats make playoffs and helped Dallas to the Title.

Definitely a silly decision for the cost (they were giving up nobody to get him), so they could have kept Green and had Ibaka off the bench.

Outside of Ibaka, Presti hasn't drafted outside the top-6 or draft-day traded very well at all.

Trading up for BJ Mullens?
Trading up for Cole Aldrich?
Traded Eric Bledsoe?
Drafted Reggie Bullock?
Drafted Perry Jones III?

Adams seems like there might be something there, but they either didn't keep the talent they drafted (Bledsoe, Beaubois, Taj Gibson, Quincy Pondexter), traded up for shitty players (Aldrich, Mullens), or selected players that have never contributed (Bullock, PJIII).

Almost every time he made a trade from 2009 on, he's received the worst of the deal.

They effectively balked at taking Chandler for scraps and keeping talent like Green, Krstic, Bledsoe, Pondexter in order to trade effectively Green, Krstic, Bledsoe for Perkins, and Pondexter for Aldrich, whom they then used as filler to acquire Martin for Harden, and Martin was then traded for an exception.

Hilarious.

Westbrook, Bledsoe
Harden (Pondexter or Westbrook)
Durant, Pondexter
Green, Taj Gibson
Chandler, Ibaka

That is fucking scary... Add some cheap spot up shooting and that owns from 2009 until now.

[AchillesHeel]

I wouldn't say he failed a physical. The OKC docs red flagged a toe. Technically, yeah, but it was a toe. Clearly that's not been an issue too much since.

Guy had just helped Hornets to semis, then helped the Bobcats make playoffs and helped Dallas to the Title.

Definitely a silly decision for the cost (they were giving up nobody to get him), so they could have kept Green and had Ibaka off the bench.

Outside of Ibaka, Presti hasn't drafted outside the top-6 or draft-day traded very well at all.

Trading up for BJ Mullens?
Trading up for Cole Aldrich?
Traded Eric Bledsoe?
Drafted Reggie Bullock?
Drafted Perry Jones III?

Adams seems like there might be something there, but they either didn't keep the talent they drafted (Bledsoe, Beaubois, Taj Gibson, Quincy Pondexter), traded up for shitty players (Aldrich, Mullens), or selected players that have never contributed (Bullock, PJIII).

Almost every time he made a trade from 2009 on, he's received the worst of the deal.

They effectively balked at taking Chandler for scraps and keeping talent like Green, Krstic, Bledsoe, Pondexter in order to trade effectively Green, Krstic, Bledsoe for Perkins, and Pondexter for Aldrich, whom they then used as filler to acquire Martin for Harden, and Martin was then traded for an exception.

Hilarious.

Westbrook, Bledsoe
Harden (Pondexter or Westbrook)
Durant, Pondexter
Green, Taj Gibson
Chandler, Ibaka

That is fucking scary... Add some cheap spot up shooting and that owns from 2009 until now.

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Thunder are a small market team, they can't afford having all those guys on contracts, KD,RWB,Harden and Chandler are all max players, they can't spend the way the Lakers and Knicks do

[Calispursfan11]

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LOL tbh.

[Calispursfan11]

Just an observation

( what a Spursraiderresque thread)

Tbh, Jeff Green is god, but when Rondo returns that will mess that up...

[benefactor]

They effectively balked at taking Chandler for scraps and keeping talent like Green, Krstic, Bledsoe, Pondexter in order to trade effectively Green, Krstic, Bledsoe for Perkins, and Pondexter for Aldrich, whom they then used as filler to acquire Martin for Harden, and Martin was then traded for an exception.

Hilarious.

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[JMarkJohns]

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Thunder are a small market team, they can't afford having all those guys on contracts, KD,RWB,Harden and Chandler are all max players, they can't spend the way the Lakers and Knicks do

You're funny.

Let's say Presti doesn't trade Landry for a nothing 2nd and keeps him, too...

Like 90% of that listed roster was on rookie-scale contracts.

2007-08: Durant, Green, Landry
2008-09: Durant, Green, Landry, Westbrook, Ibaka
2009-10: Durant, Green, Landry, Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, Gibson, Mullens
2010-11: Durant, Green, Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, Gibson, Mullens, Bledsoe, Pondexter

So, let's say OKC convinces Chandler to resign and extend Durant in 2011, then trade Green out of strength, not desperate need.

OKC has three players in Chandler, Durant, Landry totaling roughly 25-30 million and on rookie-scale:

2011-12: Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, Gibson, Mullens, Bledsoe, Pondexter

So, let's assume that because Ibaka wasn't a huge rotation player, he doesn't cost 10 million per. They extend/match for Westbrook/Ibaka.

OKC now has five players in Chandler, Durant, Landry, Harden, Ibaka totaling roughly 45 million and on rookie scale:

2012-13: Harden, Gibson, Mullens, Bledsoe, Pondexter (all of whom add a mere 12-15 million total on top of 45 million).

So for no more than 60 million per from 2009-2013, the OKC Thunder, with very little variation, could have been:

PG: Westbrook, Bledsoe
SG: Harden, Pondexter
SF: Durant, (Pondexter)
PF: Green, Landry, Gibson
C: Chandler, Ibaka, Mullens

That's five years with the above roster that likely only requires trading either Green or Ibaka post 2011/12.

Sure, forever it would have been too costly, but they'd have had the assets to trade from strength, not need, and thus not overpay. Plus, when you aren't paying Perkins, Collison, Sefolosha roughly 15 million per season for 15 combined PPG, you net a lot of CAP flexibility.

[OKC]

Hindsight is always 20/20

[JMarkJohns]

Hindsight is always 20/20

Trading the 31st overall pick (Landry) for cash and a future 2nd from a playoff team (Houston) isn't smart regardless.
Resigning/Trading for multiple non-offensive options and paying each mid-level or more isn't smart regardless.

The point was Presti was proclaimed a genius and, outside of drafting well in the top-5, hasn't really done a lot.

[Clipper Nation]

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Thunder are a small market team, they can't afford having all those guys on contracts, KD,RWB,Harden and Chandler are all max players, they can't spend the way the Lakers and Knicks do
Tbh, they lost their right to cry poor when they moved the team out of Seattle....

[jimbo]

not as bad as trading beard nigga for a one-season rental of Martin and lamb though, at least Pork did a fine job on Tammy during the 2012 WCF and earned them an appearance in the NBA finals.

Pork went pretty HAM in that series. He was hitting jumpshots at some point alongside with Ibaka going perfect....

[Juggity]

Green had that heart issue. He would have been out of commission for the Thunder for a whole season at least. While they could certainly use him now, a couple of years ago, he seemed like an expendable piece and a medical liability.

I don't think Porkins/Green is nearly as bad a trade as Harden/Martin

[JMarkJohns]

Traded him before heart issue.

[baseline bum]

Why are people in love with Green now? Because he's putting up numbers on a garbage team now?

[JMarkJohns]

Why are people in love with Green now? Because he's putting up numbers on a garbage team now?

I could care less about Green. He's solid. But he was always more talented than Perkins would be, and throw in a quality big in Krstic and an LAC 1st and factor in Presti voided acquiring Chandler for the goodbye tour of Joe Smith, nothing player Chris Wilcox, and prospect filler Devon Hardin because he was afraid of being stuck with an injury-prone, non-offensive big and the irony of paying Green, Krstic and LAC 1st to end up doing just that, only for a lesser talent and longer contract is just so damn hilarious, what, for a genius and all.

[HarlemHeat37]

I agree with JMark's points and Presti's reputation was certainly overrated until people began questioning him last year, but regarding the Perkins-Green swap, it made sense in a vacuum at the time..

They desperately needed a C at the time after the trade for Chandler fell through, the West was heavy with bigs, and Perkins was a much better player than he is today..

Perkins, prior to injury, was arguably the best individual post defender in the league, a good rebounder, and was serviceable on offense..his game went downhill following surgery, he never recovered, exacerbated by the new style of the NBA with mobile bigs/small ball..

[JMarkJohns]

Chandler for less, even with injury issues, was always better than Perkins for more, considering he wasn't the epitome of health, himself. Only a half season removed from knee injury.

Even in a vaccuum it was questionable.

Reasonable, yes.

But Green plus an LAC 1st for a contract Celtics wanted out of is robbery.

[OKC]

I don't know who told Presti what regarding Chandler, but it was apparently a recurring "turf toe" injury that some outside medical consultants advised OKC on that they felt could be a continually recurring problem. I guess sometimes it's just a crap shoot with those types of things. I understand Perkins wasnt exactly healthy himself, as it was stated he was just coming off knee surgery. My only thought is maybe there's some statistical medical evidence suggesting maybe this particular recurring injury Chandler had was something they felt had a good likelihood of continually recurring, I don't know. OBviously Presti is not a doctor and has to rely on other people. Yeah it's his call in the end, but it's not just completely mind boggling that Presti would think twice given the medical evaluation. Obviously it turned out to be a non issue for Chandler, but again, I guess it's a risk Presti didn't want to take.

In a vacuum, the Perkins trade made perfect sense. OKC's starting frontcourt was Green and Krstic - the worst defensive frontcourt in the NBA, and it wasn't even close. Green was going to get a pretty big offer as a free agent and OKC didn't have the money to match such an offer to a guy who was going to come off the bench, not when they have other bigger glaring holes on their roster. I can't recall what other big would have been available for OKC at the time they traded for Perkins, but the fact is post defense was pretty much OKC's biggest glaring hole and Perk was a guy who could and did fill that hole extremely well at the time. Obviously, Chandler would've been the way to go, but again - it was a crap shoot on his injury and had that injury turned out to be significant, we'd all be sitting here saying what a great move Presti made by turning down Chandler.

[hater]

the thunder are easily 1 Beverly kick to the knee away from back to back WC championships.

I'd say Presti is pretty damn smart imo

[JMarkJohns]

Supposedly the doctor who operated on Chandlers toe failed it in the report.

Oddly, I don't recall it ever being an issue since.

So the doc first sucked at surgery (or so he thought) and then sucked at evaluative diagnosis. Sounds like a real good doc.

[Leon Black]

:lol presti
:lol called a "genius" for picking good players with top 5 picks.

:lol

[OKC]

Also rejected a trade for Tyson Chandler. lol they'd have curbstomped Miami 3 years straight now with Tyson, Green, and Harden.

:lol presti
:lol called a "genius" for picking good players with top 5 picks.

Now - ask yourself how many top 5 picks over the years have turned out to be complete duds. Answer : a hell of a lot. So..picking a good player, even with a top 5 pick, isn't always easy.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

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