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SA210

11-14-2013, 01:04 AM

Here are some cool links and info:

To anyone interested in learning more about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, I suggest beginning by going to the following sites:

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/index1.htm
http://www.jfkhistory.com/ (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jfkhistory.com%2F&h=XAQEwUAw3AQHeFOm5pAj7DsZNKMiS1idxu60-otYL5tZtfQ&s=1)
http://jfklancer.com/index.html (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fjfklancer.com%2Findex.html&h=zAQHkdyhdAQGkfUWljCJkiPd_A3dsQqu6vlGo0bLGiARiIw&s=1)
http://lyndonjohnsonmurderedjfk.blogspot.com/

These are the greatest sites on the conspiracy surrounding the murder of JFK. I implore everyone who has an interest in this subject to thoroughly search and look through all of these sites, especially http://JFKmurdersolved.com/ (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2FJFKmurdersolved.com%2F&h=uAQF_8PTXAQEFOBKN1L6BYTcLx02lt5_Jm-d0nlqR8ljI9A&s=1).

Here are some other great and very important links to view:

The Conclusion of the House Select Committee on Assassinations: President John F. Kennedy
"The Committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that president John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy."
http://www.jfklancer.com/HSCA.html (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jfklancer.com%2FHSCA.html&h=hAQGFMS8vAQHiMXE7Me8638gem-LbUJ2b7O3hiirU2aWQBw&s=1)

JFK Assassination: Confessions from Conspirators
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5vfKK_tSfw (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DU5vfKK_tSfw&h=-AQGnBUWzAQGjPVR0d2KzNZ25e7Rf2Tt7sJBKXkXcjzOf-Q&s=1)

JFK 2: The Bush Connection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSakrYOpJ5s (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DVSakrYOpJ5s&h=TAQF-7elsAQHVltC2AEmMPHGLKPZyJVFgtDi0RkOXJoaosQ&s=1)

JFK2: The Bush Connection is a thorough, documented, criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing him, beyond a reasonable doubt, as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy.

The "Evidence of Revision" documentary series is comprised of old TV footage (interviews, government hearings, speeches, reports, et cetera). It's an amazing thing to see how much decades old history and truth has actually been broadcast on TV and then seemingly forgotten about. Even though parts four, five and six may seem like separate subjects, all of these topics are intricately connected and related to the murder of JFK.

Evidence of Revision (1 of 6) - The Assassinations of Kennedy and Oswald
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gBxMJFQd04 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 D9gBxMJFQd04&h=8AQH8L5InAQG9wjddak6mrY4ahAAw9xPRlyWP5FWdosaGtg&s=1)

Evidence of Revision (2 of 6) - The Why of It All Referenced to Vietnam and LBJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lmEp87bvOw (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 D0lmEp87bvOw&h=iAQFGSRAoAQGNC5KKOUQr5bcDcfoby4XUWSUezMVk8r0uxQ&s=1)

Evidence of Revision (3 of 6) - LBJ, Hoover and Others. What So Few Know Even Today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPADFiUkFpA (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DCPADFiUkFpA&h=hAQGFMS8vAQFzQowZJplAMlSb90GN7W5hlB7JbYIp79_xyQ&s=1)

Evidence of Revision (4 of 6) - The RFK Assassination as Never Seen Before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGehXjsuuqs (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DAGehXjsuuqs&h=JAQF0YDY9AQG60zZ00R1thKcKGflANltBzXlBJAWY8lMfsA&s=1)

Evidence of Revision (5 of 6) - RFK Assassination, MK ULTRA + Jonestown Massacre

Evidence of Revision (6 of 6) - MLK (Martin Luther King) Conspiratus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvXzhWG9_RM (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DLvXzhWG9_RM&h=NAQGPUjleAQGQYn9PL5HYrbx8BVQ8TCrcKaFIXcp2biAggg&s=1)

Jim Marrs & St. John Hunt - E. Howard Hunt's Confession
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z11k1rlVokQ (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DZ11k1rlVokQ&h=yAQHMyvINAQEUd9O-H8CiUbx6eQultsUbkpoFg6hF1MDSpA&s=1)

History Is Proving That LBJ Is Responsible for Kennedy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiqnU3rbsow (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DXiqnU3rbsow&h=OAQHFzk5fAQGQ-_5mr5OLzTX4hP26Qt2ePlfC0pAuO9vZwQ&s=1)

Robert Kennedy to Lyndon Johnson: "Why did you have my brother killed?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tclZrJiJSL0 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DtclZrJiJSL0&h=qAQFMBz56AQECx-rxjpd75ynf5orAH1e0b5CrsTa_YDp86A&s=1)

Lyndon Baines Johnson and the JFK Assassination
June 11, 2013
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/11/lyndon-baines-johnson-and-the-jfk-assassination/

Video of a Lyndon Johnson Interview Where He Acknowledges Doubts About the Warren Commission and Implies that a Conspiracy Exists on National TV
(Note: This also features a few other clips from interviews with Oswald, Ruby a couple of pother people.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd1wuXrVPjo (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 Dxd1wuXrVPjo&h=2AQGBDydAAQEGUNStysfgaB9bc3lYL7PUDsM-EHs1cJ1jSw&s=1)

Nixon Jokes About LBJ Killing JFK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJIb73SPzkE (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DOJIb73SPzkE&h=pAQHPBo8RAQEBSJ-cO3KIzkNqm0olqA9pTUlgNOPdKll_Uw&s=1)

Series Page for the JFK Case: The Twelve Who Built the Oswald Legend
http://www.opednews.com/Series/The-JFK-Case--The-Twelve-by-Bill-Simpich-130726-895.html

Groundbreaking Interview with Lee Harvey Oswald's Girlfriend Judyth Vary Baker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gv2uj10CO0 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 D_gv2uj10CO0&h=AAQHIP7buAQFfPc6V1HEdUFRsRbKpj54paxoHYRiObHKXCg&s=1)

JFK Special 3: Oswald was in the doorway, after all!
May 5, 2012
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/05/jfk-special-3-oswald-was-in-the-doorway-after-all/ (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.veteranstoday.com%2F2012% 2F05%2F05%2Fjfk-special-3-oswald-was-in-the-doorway-after-all%2F&h=sAQHdEICqAQGnbJ2YRbKg0gIEiOhFQC8WN2z_Hq13FVn_Pw&s=1)

Did Oswald & Ruby Know Each Other? - Ron Lewis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl0PENyHnKU (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DHl0PENyHnKU&h=zAQHkdyhdAQGXbvQZnRdpJLE-tebic0TiYIgtzcImcZq1Zg&s=1)

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To those who accuse William Greer (the driver) of being the shooter, the information on this page thoroughly debunks that commonly believed myth:

Zapruder film fakery?
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/myths.htm (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fjfkmurdersolved.com%2Fmyths.h tm&h=IAQEa56j1AQHT-hhP9_enXnwnlpChe869SaiW4-90TwHx3g&s=1)

In all fairness, here is another link worth checking out:

The Two NPIC Zapruder Film Events: Signposts Pointing to the Film’s Alteration
http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig13/horne-d1.1.1.html (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.lewrockwell.com%2Fori g13%2Fhorne-d1.1.1.html&h=yAQHMyvINAQGY8JrT7kAl7hIf9L74I1BZlsck1-ARZc8Gtg&s=1)

Even if the film was altered, it is still not proof that Greer was one of the shooters. Besides that, there are many valid pieces of information that indicate that William Greer was not one of the shooters.

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The Assassination of JFK Jr. (Full Length Documentary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EK2swspKgw (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 D6EK2swspKgw&h=yAQHMyvINAQG1BlwlhFxbXMs2q3EzByfunHwDx-C0agKw6w&s=1)

This is an excellent documentary about John F. Kennedy Jr.'s murder that was produced by the same people who created "JFK 2: The Bush Connection". This covers a lot more than the specifics of the crash. This is an excellent documentary that discusses a lot of what went into the murder of John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and John F. Kennedy Jr. This also describes how history (the creation of World War II, the people who helped Hitler rise to power, Vietnam, et cetera) plays into all of these things, as well. Keep in mind that Prescott Bush, H.W. Bush's father, was one of the main players involved in constructing World War II, Hitler's rise to power and Hitler's actions during his reign over Nazi Germany.

SA210

11-14-2013, 01:08 AM

Secret Service stand down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8

SA210

11-14-2013, 01:25 AM

Kerry won't talk about Kennedy conspiracy

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2013/11/kerry-wont-talk-about-kennedy-conspiracy-177167.html

Secretary of State John Kerry is declining to further elaborate on his belief that the assassin of President John F. Kennedy was part of a broader conspiracy.

Pressed in an interview aired Sunday on NBC’s "Meet the Press" to explain his beliefs that JFK's death was part of a bigger plot, Kerry said: “I just have a point of view. And I'm not going to get into that. It's not something that I think needs to be commented on, and certainly not at this time.”
“I'm not going to go into it. It's just inappropriate, and I'm not going to do more than say that it's a point of view that I have. But it's not right, or worthy, or appropriate for me to comment further,” Kerry told host David Gregory.

Kerry said in a recent interview with NBC, as the 50th anniversary of the assassination approaches, he doubts the official story.

“To this day, I have serious doubts that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone,” Kerry said about the suspect arrested in the 1963 assassination. Oswald was himself later killed by Jack Ruby before any trial.

The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy – known as the Warren Commission – concluded in 1964 that Oswald was not part of a broader conspiracy.

Blake

11-14-2013, 08:52 AM

There's already a thread on this, tin foilers.

pgardn

11-14-2013, 10:11 AM

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/news-10-jfk-conspiracy-theories?image=3

I will add that dwarves brought this to my attention whilst I dreamt I was dining at an exNaval Commanders convention. The dwarves were not extended an invitation... Da dummmmm. This fact logically leads to the link provided.

AntiChrist

11-14-2013, 10:27 AM

The Kennedy assassination is the point where it all changed....this is the point where idealism that government could work for everyone under the right leadership turned into cynicism and apathy about government...it's been a downhill slide since...

Lol, JFK would hate today's "progressives".

"And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still
at issue around the globe — the belief that the rights of man come not from the
generosity of the state, but from the hand of God."

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."

On WHO killed JFK, the first lady said it best.
“He didn’t even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights. It’s — it had to be some silly little Communist.”

silverblk mystix

11-14-2013, 10:56 AM

I haven't seen this myself - but there is another recent show;

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/cold-case-jfk.html

and I read somewhere that a stray CIA bullet might have been the fatal shot?

Anyone catch this?

AntiChrist

11-14-2013, 11:02 AM

Very good video.

DSBXW1-VGmM

SA210

11-14-2013, 12:35 PM

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ea27d31f968a49b89685fbc0a510a998-e1368172246648.jpg

Roger Stone: LBJ had Kennedy killed

Legendary Republican operative Roger Stone claims in his new book that Lyndon Johnson arranged John F. Kennedy’s assassination, and that Richard Nixon and Johnson had a documented relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald’s killer, Jack Ruby, years before Ruby shot Oswald in the basement of Dallas police headquarters in 1963.

Stone, who worked for Richard Nixon’s Committee to Re-elect the President in 1972 and later served in the Nixon administration, claims in his forthcoming book that Johnson, then a congressman, instructed Richard Nixon, then a congressman, to hire Ruby on the House of Representatives payroll in 1947.

Stone also claimed that Johnson “micro-managed” Kennedy’s Dallas motorcade, demanding that it pass through Dealy Plaza on November 22, 1963, when Oswald, from his perch in an overlooking book depository building, shot Kennedy.

“Nixon knew Jack Ruby, hired him on House payroll in 1947 at request of … Lyndon Johnson. Newly released documents prove it. in my upcoming book ‘The Man who killed Kennedy- the case against LBJ’ Out Oct 1–order yours today,” Stone wrote on Facebook Thursday night (https://www.facebook.com/rogerstone).

“LBJ and Gov. John Connally micro-managed Dalla JFK’s schedule and demanded the route thru Dealy Plaza where the motorcade came to a full stop and LBJ had JFK killed. They had no interest in JFK stops in Austin or Houston !My upcoming book ‘The Man who killed Kennedy- the case against LBJ’ Out Oct 1–order yours today,” Stone wrote.

Stone, who has long defended his former boss Nixon, even wearing a famous Nixon tattoo on his back, co-wrote his forthcoming book (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-man-who-killed-kennedy-roger-stone/1114836142) with Mike Colapietro. The book is being published by Skyhorse Publishing.
Ruby, whose real name was Jacob Leon Rubenstein, moved from Chicago to Dallas in 1947, the same year Stone claims Nixon put him on the House payroll at Johnson’s request. Ruby died in 1967, a little more than three years after killing Oswald.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/10/roger-stone-lbj-had-kennedy-killed/#ixzz2kdsxkQTk

Blake

11-14-2013, 12:52 PM

I predict someone will come in and debunk pretty much any and all conspiracy theories here.

At that point, SA210 will get upset and start posting jpegs, quote changes and take personal shots at whoever does the debunking.

SA210

11-14-2013, 01:20 PM

And here is a good one on Robert Kennedy. Parts 1 and 2

When the patsy, Sirhan Sirhan, most likely under the influence of scopolamine, opened fire on Robert Kennedy from the front, a CIA agent fired the kill shot at close range into the back of Kennedy's head.

The same agent who coordinated the operation and was at the scene, was later brought out of retirement to "handle" the congressional investigation into the assassination.

All 3 members of the assassination team are now dead, but many of those connected to them still hold high offices in government.

CIA Agents killed Robert Kennedy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eh0hRlfCU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw-6SrVs0K8

angrydude

11-14-2013, 01:37 PM

All the conspiracy theories are basically the same one.

CIA/LBJ

Wild Cobra

11-14-2013, 01:50 PM

Excuse me if i do believe Oswald was the lone killer. Was he paid to? Maybe. I just don't buy the whole conspiracy aspect though.

Without a time machine to go back and witness the events with modern technology, we will never know for certain.

tlongII

11-14-2013, 03:20 PM

I'll take a wild guess and say it was Lee Harvey Oswald that killed him.

http://killingkennedythebook.com/

hater

11-14-2013, 03:39 PM

who cares who killed him?

wrong question imo

the question is why they killed him? because he tried to change the system.

so obviously based on that obvious answer, whoever killed him were ppl who wanted to protect the system. pretty simple imo. let's move on

DisAsTerBot

11-14-2013, 03:45 PM

tlongII

11-14-2013, 07:08 PM

Oswald acted alone.

Nbadan

11-15-2013, 03:35 AM

If you think Oswald acted alone then you don't know Oswald's history...the guy was a ghost...his whole history is filled with bizarre coincidences...

Regarding possible conspiracies, to this day I have serious doubts that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I certainly have doubts that he was motivated to do that by himself. I’m not sure if anybody else was involved. I don’t go down that road, with respect to the grassy knoll theory and all of that, but I have serious questions about whether they got to the bottom of Lee Harvey Oswald. I think he was inspired somewhere by something, but I can’t pin anything down on that. I’ve never spent a lot of time on it. But I think, after a certain period of time, and that period of time may well have passed, it is totally appropriate for a country like the United States to open up the files on whatever history can be shed light on. I think that is appropriate. It has to be done in the right way, by the right entities or people, but certainly by a valid historian or for some valid analysis; I think that everybody would benefit.

<snip>

http://www.parade.com/226397/parade/john-kerry-i-have-serious-doubts-that-lee-harvey-oswald-acted-alone-the-day-jfk-died/

John Kerry: I Have 'Serious Doubts That Lee Harvey Oswald Acted Alone'

ChumpDumper

11-15-2013, 04:01 AM

Twisted_Dawg

11-15-2013, 06:14 AM

I've studied the JFK assassination for years and years and have 30+ books on it in my book case. First, let's start with the catalyst that got Kennedy murdered. The Bay of Pigs disaster where Kennedy refused air cover for the Cuban exile invasion leaving a Communist power in force, Kennedy cutting a deal with the Soviet Union on the Cuban missiles and removing missiles in Turkey and agreeing not to attack Cuba, Kennedy signing National Security Agency Memorandum 263 in 1963 pulling out 1000 troops from Viet Nam, and Kennedy's secret back channel communications to Kruschev and Castro with peace overtures. My guess is that James Angelton of the CIA along with Alan Dulles were the architects of the basic plot which then extended down to the Miami CIA station using the anti-Castro Cubans in Miami along with help from the Mafia for financing, a possible shooter, and witness control. Angelton as the CIA's counter intel director had grown paranoid looking for the rumored Soviet mole within the CIA and ruined many CIA officers careers with baseless charges. I think when he found out about Kennedy's back channels communications with the Soviets and Castro, he thought he finally found his mole. This is pretty much the same thinking of the great James Douglas book, "The Unspeakable", one of the top ten books about the assassination.

SA210

11-15-2013, 10:45 AM

Presidents had been killed by lone nuts before. You just were able to see it and you liked the dude.

Not one motherfucker has ever posted anything about Charles Guiteau's not acting alone, so get the fuck over yourselves.

^^^ The failed troll comes in to attempt to ruin another thread, but just has a meltdown :lol

Anyway..back to real discussion..lol

Blake

11-15-2013, 10:51 AM

SA210

11-15-2013, 10:55 AM

^^^:sleepanother boring angry liar troll attempting to ruin threads

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29NIlZxSsSs

ChumpDumper

11-15-2013, 11:07 AM

^^^ The failed troll comes in to attempt to ruin another thread, but just has a meltdown :lol

Anyway..back to real discussion..lollol real discussion

You don't even know what I was talking about.

SA210

11-15-2013, 11:11 AM

^^ You were melting down, I know that perfectly well. You can stop trying to ruin threads now, troll.

ChumpDumper

11-15-2013, 11:15 AM

lol SBM carets

You are now melting down and ruining the thread by only posting about me.

I posted a pretty reasonable criticism of conspiracy folk and you took it personally like you always do.

I didn't mention your name but you had to swoop in and meltdown as soon as you saw it.

SA210

11-15-2013, 11:20 AM

:sleep^^ failed troll explanations for his meltdown

SA210

11-15-2013, 11:21 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gaEkPaykJo

ChumpDumper

11-15-2013, 11:36 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gaEkPaykJoThere is no evidence that any bullets came from anywhere other than the book depository.

SA210

11-15-2013, 11:46 AM

RIP JFK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSw9sjqYK_I

ChumpDumper

11-15-2013, 11:56 AM

RIP JFK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSw9sjqYK_II'll just debunk one lie from this clip. If someone loses his shit about it, I'll do more.

There was no stand down from military intelligence. The operations officer from the group mentioned testified that members of that group were indeed in Dallas with additional help from a more local group.

JFK is a work of fiction. A fun movie but terrible history.

SA210

11-15-2013, 12:09 PM

And here is a good one on Robert Kennedy. Parts 1 and 2

CIA Agents killed Robert Kennedy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eh0hRlfCU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw-6SrVs0K8

His brother would have made a great President as well (maybe even better)..but they got him too for that very reason.

RIP Bobby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1DK2hiEm1g

Michael Jordan.

11-15-2013, 12:12 PM

Oswald acted alone.
lol he was the only shooter, but he didn't act alone.

Michael Jordan.

11-15-2013, 12:14 PM

ChumpDumper

11-15-2013, 12:25 PM

And here is a good one on Robert Kennedy. Parts 1 and 2

CIA Agents killed Robert Kennedy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eh0hRlfCU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw-6SrVs0K8Yeah, the filmmaker debunked his own theory when he actually made his documentary; concluded the big bad CIA dude was in fact a dude from the Bulova watch company.

Blake

11-15-2013, 12:26 PM

^^^:sleepanother boring angry liar troll attempting to ruin threads

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29NIlZxSsSs

Called it.

I predict the majority of your posts will be whining about posters instead of staying on topic.

SA210

11-15-2013, 12:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZeo-dmOck0

Great President :tu

ChumpDumper

11-15-2013, 01:14 PM

I don't know about "great" -- I'll give him an incomplete. The Bay of Pigs was totally his fault, backed some coups that got people killed, and his ultimate actions on Vietnam and civil rights will never be known since they could only have happened in a second term.

SA210

11-15-2013, 01:29 PM

http://consciouslifenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/JFK-and-RFK.jpg

SA210

11-15-2013, 01:30 PM

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/John-Robert-Kennedy-Poster-JFK-RFK-by-Hank-Walker-/00/$%28KGrHqUOKpQE1qfIYeKuBNcRiv%28Ukw%7E%7E_35.JPG

SA210

11-15-2013, 01:31 PM

http://www.scenicreflections.com/files/JFK%20and%20kids%20Wallpaper__yvt2.jpg

Twisted_Dawg

11-15-2013, 01:51 PM

SA210

11-15-2013, 01:59 PM

When you have three former CIA officials, David Atlee Phillips, David Sanchez Morales and Howard Hunt all admit that admit the CIA was involved in the assassination doesn't that speak volumes? When you have a right wing Kennedy hater, Jospeh Milteer, telling an FBI informant ONE MONTH BEFORE the assassination that Kennedy would be killed by a high powered rifle from an office bulding what does that tell you? Or John Martino, mafia bagman, telling his wife on the morning of 11.22.1963 that Kennedy was going to be assassinated in Dallas later that day. How about the man standing behind the fence seconds after the last shot showing a Dallas cop Secret Service badge only to find out the Secret Service denied having any men on the ground in Dealy---all went to Parkland. Or the other man showing Secret Service ID talking to people in front of TSBD? Or the many witnesses standing on the ground in front of TSBD minutes BEFORE the motorcade arrived seeing TWO men on the 6th flooor, one dark complected (Cuban) holding rifles? Or CIA/KGB double agent Richard Case Nagel who was tracking Oswald before the assassination intentionally going into an El Paso Bank and firing shots to get arrested so to get himself extracted from the plot? Or, Hoover acknowledging that someone was in Mexico City impersonating Oswald at the Cuban and Soviet embassies, which means he was being set up and there was a conspiracy. Geez, there is just some much factual data the public doesn't care to know. The public and a very compliant press swallowed what the governement told us baout the JFK assassination, about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident and WMD in Iraq.

Yup, I agree. :tu

Oliver Stone just posted this to his FB wall.

For those of you who asked for the details of my suggested reading list on JFK at the ArcLight screening the other night, here again are the suggestions.

1. “JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters” by James W. Douglass (Touchstone, 2008).

2. “Reclaiming Parkland” by James DiEugenio (Skyhorse Publishing,2013). In this book I’m talking specifically about where Jim does an incredibly efficient job of deconstructing the 2000 plus page Vincent Bugliosi defense of the WC in “Reclaiming History.” Bugliosi comes across as a shrill prosecutor insulting anyone who believes in anything other than the Warren Commission as insane. Truly Bugliosi seems the one who’s nuts to me.

3. Also read James DiEugenio’s “Destiny Betrayed,” (Skyhorse updated 2012).

4. “The Last Investigation: What Insiders Know about the Assassination of JFK” by Gaeton Fonzi (Skyhorse, 1993), which revealed the inner workings of of the HSAC in 1979, which effectively overruled the WC.

5. “Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation And Why” by Gerald McKnight (University Press of Kansas, 2005) shows how U.S. security agencies hijacked the Warren Investigation.

6. “Our Man in Mexico: Winston Scott and the Hidden History of the CIA” by Jefferson Morley (University Press of Kansas, 2008). Morley is a stalwart, runs JFKfacts.org

7. “Oswald and the CIA” by John Newman (Skyhorse,1995). Wonderful early investigation, still a classic. Newman consulted with us during the making of the film.

8. “Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years” by David Talbot (Free Press, 2007). What Robert Kennedy was thinking about his brother’s death. Based on over 150 interviews with Kennedy relatives and insiders.

9. Coming out shortly is Robert Groden’s “Absolute Proof.”

Additionally, there are other excellent works from Mark Lane, Cyril Wecht, Josiah “Tink” Thompson, Gary Aguilar, and Joan Mellen’s “A Farewell to Justice” (Skyhorse, 2005). As well as many other great sources that I haven’t listed, but for brevity’s sake…

Twisted_Dawg

11-15-2013, 02:13 PM

I real surprised that Larry Hancock's Someone Would Have Talked is not on this list. Excellent book and researcher as is Jim DiEugenio. Here is Jim's top 10 list of books:
The Top Ten JFK Assassination Books

By James DiEugenio
Revised and re-posted, November 2013
Rush to Judgment, by Mark Lane (1966)

Accessories After the Fact, by Sylvia Meagher (1967)

Presumed Guilty, by Howard Roffman (1975)

Conspiracy, by Anthony Summers (1981)

Spy Saga, by Philip Melanson (1990)

The Last Investigation, by Gaeton Fonzi (1993)

Let Justice Be Done, by Bill Davy (1999)

Breach of Trust, by Gerald McKnight (2005)

JFK and the Unspeakable, by James W. Douglass (2008)

Destiny Betrayed, Second Edition, by James DiEugenio (2012)

Twisted_Dawg

11-15-2013, 02:15 PM

Here is a link to Don Roberdeau's incredible Dealey Plaza map which shows where a lot of evidence is:

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif

ChumpDumper

11-15-2013, 02:27 PM

Richard Case Nagell is probably the biggest case of confirmation bias I have ever seen.

He certainly did string along a bunch of people for years though.

SA210

11-15-2013, 02:39 PM

Here is a link to Don Roberdeau's incredible Dealey Plaza map which shows where a lot of evidence is:

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3966/dppluschartsupdated1111.gif

Thanks for the list and this link :tu

Nbadan

11-16-2013, 12:42 AM

The Bay of Pigs was totally his fault, backed some coups that got people killed,

Bullshit...
He was lied to by the CIA, they told him that the people of Cuba would rise up against Castro sparked by the invasion.....which is why he didn't trust the CIA after the Bay of Pigs...

Nbadan

11-16-2013, 12:44 AM

his ultimate actions on Vietnam and

....he had already removed 1000 advisers and was gonna pull the rest by 1965......

ErnestLynch

11-16-2013, 12:45 AM

Lee Harvey Oswald. Period.

Nbadan

11-16-2013, 12:47 AM

Lee Harvey Oswald. Period.

Yeah, no.

Oswald was a spook...probably gave secrets to the Russians and wasn't so much as suspected of being a traitor when he returned to the US a few years later..

ErnestLynch

11-16-2013, 01:26 AM

People cannot believe a man as insignificant as Oswald killed a man as significant as the president of the United States. If security for presidents was now what it was then, how many presidents do you think we'd have lost by now ? All of 'em ? Oswald killed Kennedy. By himself. Trust me, I was born in the 50's, I remember that day and believed for the longest time it HAD to be a conspiracy. It wasn't. It was just a tragedy.

Nbadan

11-16-2013, 01:27 AM

The Church committee...

By the early years of the 1970s, the unpopularity of the Vietnam War and the unfolding Watergate scandal brought the era of minimal oversight to an abrupt halt.[according to whom?] The United States Congress was determined to rein in the Nixon administration and to ascertain the extent to which the nation's intelligence agencies had been involved in questionable, if not outright illegal, activities.

A series of troubling revelations started to appear in the press concerning intelligence activities. First came the revelations of Christopher Pyle in January 1970 of the U.S. Army's spying on the civilian population[1][2] and Sam Ervin's Senate investigations produced more revelations.[3] Then on December 22, 1974, The New York Times published a lengthy article by Seymour Hersh detailing operations engaged in by the CIA over the years that had been dubbed the "family jewels".Covert action programs involving assassination attempts against foreign leaders and covert attempts to subvert foreign governments were reported for the first time. In addition, the article discussed efforts by intelligence agencies to collect information on the political activities of US citizens.[4]

These revelations convinced many Senators and Representatives that the Congress itself had been too lax, trusting, and naive in carrying out its oversight responsibilities.[citation needed]

...

The Ford administration, particularly Rumsfeld, was concerned about the effort by members of the Church Committee in the Senate and the Pike Committee in the House to curtail the power of U.S. intelligence agencies. Frontline quoted U.S. diplomat and Nixon assistant Robert Ellsworth, who stated: "They were very specific about their effort to destroy American intelligence [capabilities]. It was Senator Church who said our intelligence agencies were 'rogue elephants.' They were supposedly out there assassinating people and playing dirty tricks and so forth... Well, that just wasn't true." Donald Rumsfeld and Ellsworth prevented the committees from dismantling the CIA and other intelligence organization

The United States House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that it was probable that:

four shots were fired
the fouth shot came from a second assassin located on the grassy knoll, but missed. The HSCA concluded the existence and location of this alleged fourth shot based on a Dallas Police Department dictabelt recording that was later discredited, because it was recorded after the assassination, and therefore invalid.[5]

The HSCA agreed with the single bullet theory, but concluded that it occurred at a time point during the assassination that differed from any of the several time points the Warren Commission theorized it occurred.

The Department of Justice, FBI, CIA, and the Warren Commission were all criticized for not revealing to the Warren Commission information available in 1964, and the Secret Service was deemed deficient in their protection of the President.

The HSCA made several accusations of deficiency against the FBI and CIA.[6] The accusations encompassed organizational failures, miscommunication, and a desire to keep certain parts of their operations secret. Furthermore, the Warren Commission expected these agencies to be forthcoming with any information that would aid their investigation. But the FBI and CIA only saw it as their duty to respond to specific requests for information from the commission. However, the HSCA found the FBI and CIA were deficient in performing even that limited role.

ErnestLynch

11-16-2013, 01:42 AM

Well it makes a good story but, in the end, nothing you can do about it. Maybe he needed to be killed. We never know the machinations that go on. He's dead. Unfortunately we got LBJ.

Galileo

11-16-2013, 01:47 AM

Kennedy was, next to James Madison, our greatest president.

Nbadan

11-16-2013, 01:55 AM

Here's the government's one-shooter theory -- the bullet on the far left (CE 399) caused seven wounds in two men, including piercing several bones and was found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital. The other bullets (left to right) were shot into cotton wadding, water and through a leg of lamb bone:

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/5/5e/Photo_hsca_ex_294.jpg

ErnestLynch

11-16-2013, 01:59 AM

Not enough info to make that statement. His life, administration, and legacy, was cut short. It's too bad. A terrible tragedy. I was in Jr High when he was killed. Our nation changed, on a dime, after that. I like to think there would have been no Vietnam, but there's no guarantee that wouldn't have happened anyway. We'll never know. It's like the proverb from Charlie Wilsons War. 'Oh how terrible'. We'll see, said the wise man. We don't know.

ErnestLynch

11-16-2013, 02:00 AM

Oh my god, not the debunked 'pristine bullet' theory ? Lollerz....

SA210

11-16-2013, 02:55 AM

ChumpDumper

11-16-2013, 04:19 AM

Bullshit...
He was lied to by the CIA, they told him that the people of Cuba would rise up against Castro sparked by the invasion.....which is why he didn't trust the CIA after the Bay of Pigs...The buck stops at JFK.

Dude didn't even consult the guy who planned the greatest amphibian invasion in history about what to do..

It was just dumb.

ChumpDumper

11-16-2013, 04:28 AM

....he had already removed 1000 advisers and was gonna pull the rest by 1965......No, he hadn't removed anyone. He signed an order with that intent by the end of 1963, and that would only have been in the strictest of secrecy per his instructions.

It remains to be seen whether electoral politics would have let him publicly withdraw all US forces to let South Vietnam fend for itself. After JFK helped get the Diems killed shortly before his own death, it's not a sure bet by any means.

ChumpDumper

11-16-2013, 04:29 AM

Twisted_Dawg

11-16-2013, 08:26 AM

Yeah, no.

Oswald was a spook...probably gave secrets to the Russians and wasn't so much as suspected of being a traitor when he returned to the US a few years later..

It's thought that Oswald was a false defector sent over to the Soviet Union. Before defecting he was assigned to a CIA base in Japan where U2's flew from. He mysteriously learned Russian while in Japan. He was discharged early from the military, came back to Dallas for 2 days, then caught a freighter to Finland and then booked a flight to Moscow? Where did he get the funds for that?

Some have speculated that he was sent to the Soviet Union to divulge the altitude the U2 flew which the Russians shot down a few weeks later with Gary Powers as the pilot. The thinking is the war hawks in the US wanted to scuttle a peace conference between Eisenhower and Khrushchev which it did and also bring in the era of military spy satellites and the missile program.

Nbadan

11-17-2013, 01:28 AM

It's thought that Oswald was a false defector sent over to the Soviet Union. Before defecting he was assigned to a CIA base in Japan where U2's flew from. He mysteriously learned Russian while in Japan. He was discharged early from the military, came back to Dallas for 2 days, then caught a freighter to Finland and then booked a flight to Moscow? Where did he get the funds for that?

Some have speculated that he was sent to the Soviet Union to divulge the altitude the U2 flew which the Russians shot down a few weeks later with Gary Powers as the pilot. The thinking is the war hawks in the US wanted to scuttle a peace conference between Eisenhower and Khrushchev which it did and also bring in the era of military spy satellites and the missile program.

The MIC certainly had a financial incentive to get rid of Kennedy, but most of the joint chiefs of staff didn't support some of Kennedy's foreign policy decisions either..some of these guys wanted to invade Cuba even though Moscow had military grade nuclear weapons already surrounding the island and would most certainly had led to a nuclear exchange between the superpowers..

Nbadan

11-17-2013, 01:33 AM

The buck stops at JFK.

Dude didn't even consult the guy who planned the greatest amphibian invasion in history about what to do..

It was just dumb.

What's to discuss...the plan hinged on the CIA promise that Cubans would rise up against Castro...when that didn't happen Eisenhower himself couldn't have led that invasion...

Nbadan

11-17-2013, 01:40 AM

Some have speculated that he was sent to the Soviet Union to divulge the altitude the U2 flew which the Russians shot down a few weeks later with Gary Powers as the pilot. The thinking is the war hawks in the US wanted to scuttle a peace conference between Eisenhower and Khrushchev which it did and also bring in the era of military spy satellites and the missile program.

What's weird is that he got a pretty good job by Russian standards and liked Russian women....when he met his wife she thought he was Russian because he spoke the language so well...they both defected back to the US a few years later at a time when it wasn't easy to bring a Russian bride to America...certainly lends to speculation that he did give the Russians valuable information...yet he comes back to the US and isn't even questioned...

ErnestLynch

11-18-2013, 01:30 AM

http://home.comcast.net/~imsscott/JFK.htm

The not so pristine bullet.

Nbadan

11-18-2013, 01:49 AM

http://home.comcast.net/~imsscott/JFK.htm

The not so pristine bullet.

....simple way to solve this.....let's dig up Connolly and see if the fragments in his arm match the small fragments missing in the magic bullet...

mouse

11-19-2013, 03:44 AM

wZgDZMiVAT0

Nbadan

11-20-2013, 12:45 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/Ciravolo.jpg

Nbadan

11-20-2013, 01:09 AM

Josiah Thompson, author or Six Seconds in Dallas, admits he made a critical error in his analysis of the Zapruder film back in the '60s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgHllYzzFWc

ErnestLynch

11-20-2013, 01:53 AM

Here's the thing. kennedy assassination, 911, okc..mlk..name the conspiracy. What, exactly, can you do about it, other than pick one of TWO fucking people in an election ?

yeah, and that should be enough but...BUT..our congress has a lower turnover rate than the Soviet fucking Politburo at the height of communism. Man, quit electing the same people over and over. I vote against the incumbent 90% of the time, primary or general. Fucking career bribe taking cu#$ts are are killilng this nation. Just vote AGAINST the incumbent, man. And then do it again. And again. Make it your life choice till you get what you want. Then do it again.

Twisted_Dawg

11-20-2013, 05:59 AM

....simple way to solve this.....let's dig up Connolly and see if the fragments in his arm match the small fragments missing in the magic bullet...

Actually there were large fragments in his leg. Now where did the fragments come from as that pristine bullet that was found at Parkland was basically in tact? Connally refused to ever have them removed and it was his wishes when he died to leave them intact. Connally's testimony always contradicted the Warren Reports single bullet joke. He said he heard a shot, made a slight turn to his right and then began to turn around to his right to see Kennedy clutching at his throat at which point Connally said he was shot. This is clearly evident in watching the Zapruder film, particularly in slow motion frame by frame.

Run this from frame 210 to 289: http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Zapruderframesviewer.php#f288|l-42px|t-229px|w930|h920|mt-40px|ml-40px|v4

mouse

11-20-2013, 08:36 AM

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Yu0azrNG9go/hqdefault.jpg

AntiChrist

11-20-2013, 09:23 AM

The video in post #20 of this thread -- tin foilers have no comment

Dirk Oneanddoneski

11-20-2013, 09:28 AM

Meet Jacob Rubenstein — AKA Jack Ruby

WE ALL KNOW just how much the JFK assassination has been endlessly debated for the last 47 years. Besides Pearl Harbor, it’s easily the 9/11 of the 20th Century. What happened in Dallas, Texas has spawned tons of books and documentaries; in fact, “conspiracy theory” used to be virtually synonymous with November 22, 1963, until 9/11.
But anyone who’s at least a little familiar with the theories, counter-theories and serious debunking efforts should take notice of the fact that Israel and Zionist Jews having anything to do with JFK’s assassination is always completely ignored by the mainstream media. They know to even touch on the possibility, risks getting immediately “sanchezed” (fired for saying anything about the precious Jews, like CNN’s Rick Sanchez).
When Oswald was shot and silenced forever by Jack Ruby (real name: Jacob Rubenstein) in that Dallas police garage, millions watched in real-time. CBS News was actually reporting his real Jew last name during the first hour of coverage; yet someone soon ordered them to only use his crypto-Jew name (Ruby) and it’s been that way ever since. Of course, the fact of him being a Jew is usually known by those studying the JFK assassination, but rarely, if ever, among the braindead sheeple.
In 1911, Jacob Leon Rubenstein (his full Jewish birth name) was born in Chicago to Polish-Russian Jew immigrants. He was a street gangster and hustler, noted for his wild temper and bad behavior; earning him the nickname “Sparky.” Both him and his two brothers spent some unknown time in foster care because his mother was certifiably nuts and his father refused to work for 30 years.

And Jacob was also an orthodox Jew. Chances are, he was also major supporter of Israel, too. Plus, his Mob connections were through Meyer Lansky, the “Don of Dons,” the biggest and most powerful mobster ever. Lansky was well-known as a Mother Israel fanatic.
Let’s get something straight for those of you checking into the Jew stuff for the first time. The Israeli MOSSAD has something called “Sayanim” (plural for Sayan). These are Jews anywhere in the world who will do whatever is necessary for sacred Israel — even if it means traitorous behavior to the very country they live in. This makes prospecting for traitors not too dangerous for the MOSSAD, since fellow Jews will at least keep mum about the enlistment effort.
Usually, it’s something relatively little, like asking a Jew landlord to furnish a “safe house” available for when it’s needed. It might be a Jew who owns a car dealership who can provide vehicles for MOSSAD teams. Or it might be a Jew doctor called in the middle of the night to dig a bullet out, to furnish drugs or whatever. Sometimes it can be a whole lot bigger. Like spying for Israel at the Pentagon, or buying the entire World Trade Center (with help from other rich traitor Jews in high finance and insurance, of course).
It’s like the whole race is one vast criminal conspiracy!
The Jews could have gone to Rubenstein before, or even right after the assassination and said: “Can you try to do something critically important for the Motherland or Jews in America?” They would have appealed to his ego: “This must be done, Jack. If you have the opportunity, take it. You will be remembered by your people one day in the future as a great hero of our Chosen Race!”

The media says Rubenstein was merely a big Kennedy supporter and didn’t want Jackie to have to testify in court during Oswald’s trial. And he was crazy to begin with. After all, he did leave his prized pooch in his car when he walked over to the police garage and only got lucky to arrive in time for Oswald’s transfer. Funny, the media neglects to report that he left his identification in the car, too.
And who’s to say the Jews didn’t have other Sayanim lined up to kill Oswald if Rubenstein failed?

In his book called “My Life as a Radical Lawyer,” (1994) written by big-time ’60′s radical and Jew, William Kunstler relates that Rubenstein told him before dying:
“I did this that they wouldn’t implicate Jews.”
And right before Kuntsler leaves on his last visit, Rubenstein hands him a note that reiterated his motive. It read:

“Protect American Jews from a pogrom that could occur because of anger over the assassination.”
Now look, we don’t have to “parse” this out too much. Basically, one Jew is telling another that the reason he killed Oswald was to protect “American” Jewry should the rest of us Goyim find out what really happened on November 22, 1963. Oswald could have easily said something that would lead back to the real perps, making the skinny little Commie wannabee a huge danger that needed to be quickly silenced.
On his deathbed, Rubenstein tells a friend who asked him why he shot Oswald:
“Listen, you know me well, and you know that I am a reasonable businessman. I wouldn’t have done it if I did not have to.”
“Conspiracy debunkers” try to sound all so reasonable when they say ”well, if you set out a killer to silence the assassin, then you have to get someone to kill him and so on and so on.” BS! They fail to take into account the racial loyalty of Jews to Jewry and to Mother Israel (it’s so obvious). Nor do the debunkers seem to know anything at all about “Sayanim.”
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Rubenstein mostly kept his mouth shut during the trial, but soon asked Earl Warren (chairman of the Warren Commission) to fly him to DC under protection so he could tell them personally why he did it. Surprisingly, Warren refused this relatively small request.
Sounds to me a whole lot like the 9/11 Commission, huh?

Meyer Lansky once famously told his wife the mob was “bigger than US Steel” (the line was uttered by the Lansky-like character “Hyman Roth” in the movie “The Godfather, Part II”). Like Rubenstein, Lansky’s family came out of Russia and he thought all the Goyim were out to get the Jews. He said the Senate investigations of his illicit activities were only because of “anti-Semitism.” Some things never change.
Although Lansky escaped to Israel (supposedly fighting extradition for over 2 years), but was too hot in the public eye and the Tribe most likely asked him privately to go along with going back to the US. Yet he survives US prosecution (acquitted by a jury) and dies peacefully in his bed in Miami, free from spending any precious Jew time in Goyim prison (perish the thought). Even the FBI stopped anymore surveillance.
One of Lansky’s flunkies most likely delivered the crucial message to Rubenstein that he had to take Oswald out no matter what. The quiet conversation may have taken only minutes.
Jacob Rubentein, AKA Jack Ruby, dies just 37 months after the JFK assassination from terminal cancer. He probably was secretly drugged so he would act batty and also exposed to a carcinogenic. And that’s not all that crazy, either. Tiny doses of radioactive Thallium or Polonium 212 could easily have been added to his prison grub or cigarettes without anyone knowing. Once in the belly of the beast, you’re at their mercy.
Jews could have easily played on Lee Harvey Oswald’s ego, too. No one ever satisfactorily explained the guy named George DeMohrenschildt. This worldly stranger with possible CIA connections comes out of the blue into Oswald’s life, and had numerous contacts with him that we know of. He could have readily met with Oswald on times we don’t. He also knew Jackie’s family and had contacts with George H. W. Bush (Dubya’s dad).
In addition to which, Oswald appears to have worked for the CIA even before his supposed defection to Russia. If true, the document HERE (http://www.rense.com/general62/oswald.htm) proves it. There’s all kinds of mysteries surrounding Oswald from his days in the Marines right up to the assassination.
Oswald could have been both the lone gunman and the patsy. What better find for such a hit? Some crazy ex-Marine with sharpshooter skills and a fervent desire to advance the Marxist cause. He may well have been on their radar for quite some time.
Oswald may only have delivered the rifle to another shooter in Book Depository, or a second gunman in a building nearby backed him up and made the killing shot. Snipers at the time could have done it 1000 yards away. The Grassy Knoll business may be a giant red herring, as it would have been too close and open for a shooter.
And there’s plenty of motive for the Jews to have whacked Kennedy. JFK wrote a letter to Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion stating he wanted US inspectors to visit Dimona, Israel’s secret nuclear bomb making facility. Knowing the letter was on it’s way (probably through embedded Jew spies in the State department), Ben-Gurion quit before it could be delivered and said Kennedy put Israel’s existence in danger.
The Jews had at least 200 million tied up in getting the bomb by that time, much of it from “American” Jewish donors. They were bound and determined to get the Big One. And they certainly were not going to let some Goyim Catholic boy put the kabosh on the Jew’s efforts, not when they were so close. Ben-Gurion once met privately with Kennedy in the Waldoff Astoria hotel in Manhattan about all this, and it’s no secret that he thought little of JFK, arrogantly telling other Jews:
“He looked to me like a 25-year-old boy…. At first, I did not take him seriously.”

Ben-Gurion was associated with the Bloomfield brothers – Jew globalists living in Montreal, Canada, and top figures in the Zionist Israel Lobby. They were the owners of the international corporation Permindex, started by a former MOSSAD agent. All of these Zionists were later linked to the JFK assassination via Clay Shaw, Lansky underling Carlos Marcello and the CIA’s MOSSAD liason officer, James Jesus Angleton, as outlined in the underground best-seller, “Final Judgement” by Michel Collins Piper. Read this dangerous book HERE. (http://www.redactednews.blogspot.com/2010/02/mossad-role-in-jfk-assassination.html)
Anarchist Jews may also have gotten President William McKinley assassinated back in 1901, when crazy Leon Czolgosz fired two bullets from a 32 caliber Ivor-Johnson revolver into his gut at the Pan-American exhibit in Buffalo, New York. Like always, we have to believe that it was only a single mad man behind that event, too.
In the coming years after the assassination of McKinley, all kinds of bad things started happening to America. The “Money Trust” got their hands on central banking and even more Jews flooded the country from Poland and Russia. Eventually, Woodrow Wilson was put in office by pumping the ego of Teddy Roosevelt to run as a Bull Moose candidate, dividing the electorate much like what happened when Ross Perot ran in 1992.
With Woodrow Wilson, the first Jew Supreme court judge was installed, the Federal Reserve act was signed and income tax on people’s labor was enacted. He also got us into a World War, and gave 20 million American dollars (quite a lot back then) of our 100 million war chest to the Red Marxists who had just taken over Russia. I’m certain his Jew pals in New York had no complaints.
Funny how big things favoring International Jewry just seem to happen soon after historical events tainted by Jewy involvement. But I guess that’s all nothing but coincidence, huh?
Let’s also not forget Kennedy signed an executive order to allow the Treasury department to print bills backed by government silver deposits. This probably made the parasites behind the Federal Reserve a bit nervous. One of the first things LBJ did when he became the president was rescind that order.
Speaking of which, LBJ (Lyndon Baines Johnson) probably was a Jew himself. After assuming the presidency, he reversed everything to favor Israel big time. Besides being a huge Israel lover, he enacted or signed social legislation for much of what now plagues America today. Civil Rights, “The Great Society,” changing the immigration laws to favor non-Whites in 1965, etc., etc. Plus, he probably ordered the Gulf of Tonkin incident (totally a false flag) and ordered the carrier plane stand-down when Israel attacked the US Liberty during the 1967 Six Day war. He was the one president most responsible for tens of thousands of dead Goyim in Southeast Asia during Vietnam.
The International Jew Banking class and military/industrial complex must have loved him!
Close to the end of the video above (3:52), Rubenstein is being escorted down a hall and tells someone off camera ”…if Adlai Stevenson was the vice president, the assassination of Kennedy wouldn’t have happened…” Meaning LBJ was indeed part of the plot. The ambitious Johnson did think he deserved to be president and it enraged him that the young punk JFK was his boss.
Kennedy was this nation’s greatest hope. We may never have had any president since come as close to him in greatness – regardless of the political party. For the Jews to have killed him for selfish Jewish racial reasons should indeed anger all of us Americans to the core.
The more you know about the Kennedy assassination and the facts of Jewy involvement in 9/11, the more you will look at these creeps in whole new light.
Walter Cronkite once said:
“I can’t think of any group – with the exception of Israeli intelligence that would have been able to keep the JFK assassination under wraps for so long.”

mouse

11-20-2013, 01:32 PM

The video in post #20 of this thread -- tin foilers have no comment

#20
Very good video.

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The video is flawed Myers analysis is incomplete since he does not even try to analyse the fatal shot that killed JKF - he doesn't want to present all the evidence of the conspiracy.

angrydude

11-20-2013, 04:02 PM

Given what we know now about how the government has absolutely no qualms about spying, torturing, murdering anybody who gets in its way, especially back in the heyday when it was creating or trying to create revolutions all over the world, is it so hard to believe they simply murdered one more person, especially when the "official story" makes absolutely no sense and the only people with access to the evidence were themselves government employees?

Nbadan

11-20-2013, 10:34 PM

He said he heard a shot, made a slight turn to his right and then began to turn around to his right to see Kennedy clutching at his throat at which point Connally said he was shot. This is clearly evident in watching the Zapruder film, particularly in slow motion frame by frame.

Worse yet he's still clutching his hat....and,....the shots began before Kennedy cleared the Oak tree that was blocking Oswald line of sight...Why didn't Oswald shoot Kennedy when he had a better line of sight at the curve...it makes no sense....

Nbadan

11-21-2013, 12:22 AM

The Parallax View: a JFK film that gets it right
Parkland and other movies about JFK's assassination show just how far to the right Hollywood has shifted. Alan J Pakula's classic film, however, is a high point of New American Cinema

...After a couple of films in 1967 – the documentary Rush to Judgment and Bruce Conner's experimental short film Report – that critiqued the Warren commission's findings, in 1973 a Hollywood feature called Executive Action arrived. It mixed documentary footage with live action, and portrayed the assassination as a conspiracy by the CIA and big business interests. Executive Action is a decent, strangely low-key film; what's interesting is just how mainstream it was. Burt Lancaster played the CIA coup leader, while Robert Ryan and Will Geer played Texas oil men who want Kennedy dead. Dalton Trumbo, once blacklisted, wrote the script, and the film was directed by David Miller, whose CV contains another good picture, Lonely Are the Brave.

Hollywood later revisited the Kennedy assassination with Winter Kills (1979), based on Richard Condon's paranoid thriller; Ruby (1992), a stumbling biopic about Lee Harvey Oswald's killer Jack Ruby; and most famously in 1991 with JFK, Oliver Stone's epic mega-budget version of events. JFK is a hagiography of Kennedy theorist Jim Garrison, a bombastic New Orleans prosecutor and homophobe who tried to convict a gay CIA associate, Clay Shaw, of the president's murder. Garrison's case was ultimately unconvincing: a jury found Shaw innocent, which undercuts Stone's telling of history. Nevertheless, the film provoked a public outcry and led to the release of thousands of previously secret files by the Assassination Records Review board.

For my money, the best JFK conspiracy movie isn't, strictly speaking, about the Kennedy assassination. Made in 1974, Alan J Pakula's The Parallax View borrows from the murders of both Kennedy brothers to tell the tale of a mysterious organisation, the Parallax Corporation, which deals in political assassination and the creation of "lone assassin" patsies.

The reader will recall that Lee Harvey Oswald, during his brief time in the custody of the Dallas police, denied murdering the president and cried out to reporters: "I'm a patsy! I'm a patsy!" – strange behaviour for someone who, according to Parkland and the Warren Report, killed Kennedy to become famous. The Parallax View, written by David Giler, Lorenzo Semple Jr and an uncredited Robert Towne, describes how such patsies are created...

http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2013/nov/19/the-parallax-view-kennedy-assassination

Nbadan

11-21-2013, 12:54 AM

Add Arlen Specter to our list of co-conspirators....

Physician discusses JFK assassination

Dr. Don Teal Curtis, of Amarillo, was a first year resident at Parkland Hospital in 1963. As one of the first three medical providers to attend to President John F. Kennedy on Nov. 23, 1963, the day he was shot in Dallas. Curtis spoke to a packed Derrick Hall audience at the Panhandle-Plains Historical Museum on Thursday evening.

Curtis had graduated from the Baylor University school of dentistry and specialized in Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology and Surgery. Having finished his medical internship, Curtis was in the first of two years of medical residency when he walked from the neighboring clinic where he had seen patients on the morning of Nov. 22, 1963, to Parkland Hospital for lunch in the hospital cafeteria before performing scheduled surgery in the early afternoon. He told the audience that he witnessed a “lot of police cars” in the parking lot, and as he approached, he recognized the presidential limousine, covered with blood and a number of roses that had been placed on the back of the car.

As he entered the hospital, he was stopped by a police officer who asked him if he was a doctor, and when he replied that he was, the policeman directed him to one of the trauma rooms, stating that the president had been injured.

Curtis went on to say that when he entered the room, Kennedy was lying on his back and having difficulty breathing.

Curtis said there was a doctor and a nurse in the room who were working on the president.

As a resident, Curtis had worked many trauma patients, including victims of gunshots and knife wounds.

As he approached the president, he said that he saw what appeared to him to be a large swelling, perhaps an embolism, that he believed was contributing to the president’s difficulty in breathing.

With another surgeon beginning a tracheotomy to open the president’s airway, Curtis went to the president’s leg to begin what he called a “cut-down” procedure.

He explained that the cut-down procedure was to insert a tube for the rapid insertion of fluids into the patient’s bloodstream to compensate for blood loss.

It was then that he noticed brain matter on the president’s pants leg. He added the comment that “brain matter is very easily recognizable.”

As he was beginning the cut-down procedure and another doctor was beginning the tracheotomy, a third doctor moved around to the president’s head and lifted it so he could examine the president for any wounds that were not visible from his position, lying on his back. As soon as the doctor lifted the president’ head, he said, “Stop resuscitation. This is not compatible with life.”

Curtis reported that each senior physician, and there were several in the room by then, looked at Kennedy’s head.

Curtis also looked, and he told the audience “the posterior part of his head was blown out.”

Curtis, who had become very familiar with entrance and exit wounds during his trauma room work at Parkland, said that there was no doubt in his mind that the exit wound on the president’s head was at the back.

Museum curator of history, Becky Livingston, had reported in her introduction of Curtis that 124 books on the JFK assassination had been published in 2013 alone. Curtis added that conspiracy advocates had written more than 2,000 in the 14 years immediately following the assassination.

Curtis went on to describe being called to testify before the Warren Commission.

He detailed the membership of the Warren Commission and the intimidation tactics used by Arlen Specter, the counsel for the commission that interrogated him and the other medical staff, essentially forcing them into compromising their testimony to make it fit the “official version” that was essentially laid out by J. Edger Hoover, the director of the FBI and a Kennedy opponent, before the Warren Commission was organized.

The Warren Commission report said that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone assassin, and at the time 80 percent of Americans believed that report.

He said that now, 80 percent of Americans believe there was a conspiracy.

Curtis also pointed out that, although the records were sealed for 75 years – still 25 years in the future – some photos have reportedly been released through Freedom of Information Act requests.

He said that the photos he has seen from that source, showing major trauma to the top of Kennedy’s head, was not what he saw in the trauma room that day in Parkland Hospital.

Nbadan

11-21-2013, 12:57 AM

Dr. McClelland appears to support the account of Dr. Curtis:

http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/what-did-dr-mcclelland-think-about-jfks-wounds/

The first senior physician to attend President Kennedy after he was fatally wounded in Dallas on November 22, 1963, was Dr. Robert McClelland of Parkland Hospital. By any standard, he is a credible witness.

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McClelland recounts when he was shown the JFK autopsy photos in 1988. He agreed the photos showed the president’s wounds as he saw them on November 22, 1963. The only exception, said Dr. McClelland, was the photo that showed the right rear JFK’s head. He said that a flap of scalp had been pulled over Kennedy’s fatal wound changing the appearance of the wound.

“That’s where there was a massive hole in the back of his head,” McClelland said. “I looked at that hole from 18 inches for about 12 minutes.”

Nbadan

11-21-2013, 01:03 AM

Re-enactment: Arlen Specter (left), who is now a senator for Pennsylvania, was the one who promoted the single bullet theory

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/19/article-2132229-12ACC23E000005DC-394_634x426.jpg

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132229/Last-surviving-FBI-agent-JFK-autopsy-did-believe-single-bullet-theory-dies.html#ixzz2lFxzPZ00
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mouse

11-21-2013, 01:54 AM

Thanks Nbadan I am watching the films you posted! :toast

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Nbadan

11-21-2013, 02:09 AM

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgoss2.jpg

Operation 40

On 4 March 1960, La Coubre, a ship flying a Belgian flag, exploded in Havana Bay. It was loaded with arms and ammunition that had been sent to the armed forces of the post-revolution government of Cuba. A second bomb was set nearby and timed to go off later. The explosions killed 75 people and over 200 were injured.[1] Operation 40 was not only involved in sabotage operations. One member, Frank Sturgis, allegedly told author Mike Canfield: "this assassination group (Operation 40) would upon orders, naturally, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents...We were concentrating strictly in Cuba at that particular time." The group sought to incite civil war in Cuba against the government of prime minister Fidel Castro. "In October 1960, they realize that this project has failed, and that is when Brigade 2506" was created, a CIA-sponsored group made up of 1,511 Cuban exiles who fought in the April 1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion.

The group played a major role in the invasion. "The first news that we have of Operation 40 is a statement made by a mercenary of the Bay of Pigs who was the chief of military intelligence of the invading brigade and whose name was Jose Raúl de Varona Gonzalez," writes Escalante. "In his statement this man said the following: in the month of March 1961, around the seventh, Mr. Vicente Leon arrived at the base in Guatemala at the head of some 53 men saying that he had been sent by the office of Mr. Joaquin Sanjenis, Chief of Civilian Intelligence, with a mission he said was called Operation 40. It was a special group that didn't have anything to do with the brigade and which would go in the rearguard occupying towns and cities. His prime mission was to take over the files of intelligence agencies, public buildings, banks, industries, and capture the heads and leaders in all of the cities and interrogate them. Interrogate them in his own way".

On 17 April 1961, Vicente Leon Leon, with other members of Operation 40, landed at the Bay of Pigs via the CIA-chartered freighter Atlantico. He was killed in action.[5][6]

Nbadan

11-21-2013, 02:25 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Bush_Sr_tip_on_JFK_1963.jpg/498px-Bush_Sr_tip_on_JFK_1963.jpg

Memo from FBI Special Agent Graham Kitchel to the FBI's Houston bureau, dated 22 November 1963, advising of a tip received from "Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company," regarding the assassination of President Kennedy 15 minutes earlier (12:30 Central time, 1:30 Eastern time)

mouse

11-21-2013, 03:25 AM

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SupremeGuy

11-21-2013, 09:25 AM

A hero. :toast

AntiChrist

11-21-2013, 09:36 AM

I haven't done much research on this one but here's some stuff I found.

This nicely summarizes the strategy of the tin foil caucus.

angrydude

11-21-2013, 01:32 PM

This nicely summarizes the strategy of the tin foil caucus.

Better to believe the government. They've never lied.

Blake

11-21-2013, 02:57 PM

Better to believe the government. They've never lied.

neither have tin foilers

AntiChrist

11-21-2013, 03:18 PM

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Twisted_Dawg

11-21-2013, 09:15 PM

Twisted_Dawg

11-21-2013, 09:23 PM

Another real shocker is that Jackie, Clint Hill, the doctors and nurses at Parkland, and the guys that put Kennedy in the casket at Parkland all have stated that Kennedy had a large hole in the right rear of his head the size of a large lemon and that a large amount of his brains had been blown out also. One of the Parkland doctors even drew a very precise diagram of the hole. But yet, somehow, someway the doctors doing the autopsy in Washington took pictures of the back of his head and viola.....there is no hole present.

Twisted_Dawg

11-21-2013, 09:47 PM

"My final take on the assassination is there was a conspiracy, likely including American intelligence officers." ---David Atlee Phillips, CIA officer, and rumored to be Oswald's handler. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKphillips.htm

"Well, we took care of that son of a bitch, didn't we?" ---David Sanchez Morales, CIA officer, becoming enraged after a drinking buddy brought up Kennedy

"I was a bench warmer in the Big Event"---CIA officer E.Howard Hunt's death bed confession in which he names several CIA agents as participants in the assassination including Phillips and Morales. http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/jfk_hunt_last_confessions_rolling_stone.htm

SA210

11-21-2013, 11:20 PM

I'm sure Kennedy striking down this false flag terror attack on America by our own government didn't help him in stay alive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Operation Northwoods was a series of false flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag) proposals that originated within the United States government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government) in 1962, but were rejected by the Kennedy administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_administration).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods#cite_note-2) The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) (CIA), or other operatives, to commit perceived acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba) in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods#cite_note-3) One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb) followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._military) and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Chiefs_of_Staff), signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyman_Lemnitzer) and sent to the Secretary of Defense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_Defense). Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Project) anti-communist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communist) initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy).

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U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba

N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

See more...http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 02:05 AM

Let's look at Oswald for awhile...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVEi3S4vuSSKfJF9q0WaNnj3CXh4GeE ugxZUN9NVFirvS5lXk5
Who was impersonating Oswald in Mexico and why??

Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City

t was 1993, the 30th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, when FRONTLINE first aired its documentary, “Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?” In that program FRONTLINE concluded, “What now seems certain is that the CIA is still covering up its contact with Lee Harvey Oswald.”

Now, 10 years later, much material has been made available to the American public which sheds light on what the CIA had been hiding for 40 years. This new information is the result of the U.S. Congress passing the 1993 “JFK Records Act,” which mandated the full release of all government files relating to the assassination of President Kennedy and created a civilian Assassination Records Review Board to oversee this process. By the time the Board’s work was completed in the late 1990s, 6 million pages of documents had been made available to the public in the National Archives.

Arguably, the most startling information so far brought to light by the release of these intelligence records is the CIA cover-up relating to Oswald’s visit to Mexico City.

Oswald was in Mexico City in late September and early October of 1963. During his one-week stay, he tried to obtain visas from the Cuban consulate and Soviet embassy. But intelligence documents released in 1999 establish that, after Oswald failed to get the visas, CIA intercepts showed that someone impersonated Oswald in phone calls made to the Soviet embassy and the Cuban consulate and linked Oswald to a known KGB assassin — Valery Kostikov — whom the CIA and FBI had been following for over a year.1

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Shortly after Oswald’s Sept. 27 visit to the Cuban consulate to try to get a visa, the CIA station in Mexico informed headquarters about it2 and requested information on him. But headquarters lied to its station, saying that no information on Oswald had been received by headquarters since his return to the United States 18 months earlier.3 Documents show, however, that most of the half-dozen agency employees who participated in the drafting and dissemination of this false story had signed for and read various FBI reports received on Oswald during those months, especially during the two weeks before this deception was invented.4

After President Kennedy’s assassination, documents show that the Agency created two more false stories in connection with Oswald’s Mexico City visit. The first cover story was that the CIA’s tapes of the phone calls had been erased before the assassination. The second cover story was that the CIA did not realize Oswald had visited the Cuban consulate until they looked into the matter after the assassination.

The cover-up was apparently put in motion the day after the assassination by Anne Goodpasture (unless someone else altered the cables she sent after the fact) in the CIA station in Mexico City. But it was a sloppy coverup. Files released in the mid-1990s show she sent a cable at noon (1pm EST) on Nov. 23 stating that a voice comparison (between two intercepted phone calls) had not been made at the time of Oswald’s visit because one tape (presumably of the Saturday, Sept. 28 call)5 had been erased before another had been received (presumably from the Oct. 1 intercept ). It was unlikely this would have happened, however, as tapes were kept for at least two weeks before erasure.6 It was necessary to deny that a voice comparison with the Cuban consulate tape had taken place, in order to facilitate the cover story that the station had not realized that Oswald had visited the Cuban consulate.

But Goodpasture’s cable only ruled out a voice comparison at the time, and left unresolved the issue of what tapes had survived.7 So, at 2:37 EST the following day, Sunday, Nov. 24, Goodpasture sent another cable saying all the tapes had been erased.

Whether these cables were inserted or altered after the fact no longer matters. They constitute the extant record and are not true. Ms. Goodpasture’s erasure cables are contradicted by her own 1995 deposition to the Assassination Records Review Board in which she stated she thought a tape dub had been hand-carried to the Texas border the night of the assassination,8 and that a copy of the tape was made at the CIA telephone tap center.9 She added that she was sure a copy of the tape would have been sent up to Washington as soon as it had been made. 10

Newly released internal CIA documents from the weeks following the assassination reveal that another copy of the October 1 intercept was found at that time,11 and that “the actual tapes” were reviewed.12 Furthermore, the Assassination Records Review Board also verified that in 1964 two Warren Commission attorneys, Coleman and Slawson, had traveled to the Mexico City station and listened to the tapes.13 There is no mention of this in either the Warren Commission’s 26 volumes or its final report.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/biographies/oswald/oswald-the-cia-and-mexico-city/

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 02:12 AM

Oswald and the Marine Corps..

Oswald enlisted in the United States Marine Corps on October 24, 1956, just after his seventeenth birthday. He idolized his older brother Robert; and a photograph taken after Lee Harvey's arrest by Dallas police shows him wearing his brother's Marine Corps ring.[32] One witness testified to the Warren Commission that Oswald's enlistment may also have been an escape from his overbearing mother.[33]

Oswald's primary training was radar operation; a position requiring a security clearance. A May 1957 document states that he was "granted final clearance to handle classified matter up to and including CONFIDENTIAL after careful check of local records had disclosed no derogatory data."[34] In the Aircraft Control and Warning Operator Course he finished seventh in a class of thirty. The course "...included instruction in aircraft surveillance and the use of radar."[35][36] He was assigned first to Marine Corps Air Station El Toro in July 1957,[37] then to Naval Air Facility Atsugi in Japan in September as part of Marine Air Control Squadron 1.

Like all Marines, Oswald was trained and tested in shooting and he scored 212 in December 1956, slightly above the requirements for the designation of sharpshooter.[23] In May 1959 he scored 191, which reduced his rating to marksman.[23][38]

Oswald was court-martialed after accidentally shooting himself in the elbow with an unauthorized .22 handgun, then court-martialed again for fighting with a sergeant who he thought was responsible for his punishment in the shooting matter. He was demoted from private first class to private and briefly imprisoned in the brig. He was later punished for a third incident: while on night-time sentry duty in the Philippines, he inexplicably fired his rifle into the jungle.[39]

Slightly built, Oswald was nicknamed Ozzie Rabbit after the cartoon character; he was also called Oswaldskovich[40] because he espoused pro-Soviet sentiments. In November 1958, Oswald transferred back to El Toro[41] where his unit's function "...was to serveil [sic] for aircraft, but basically to train both enlisted men and officers for later assignment overseas." An officer there said that Oswald was a "very competent" crew chief and was "brighter than most people."[42][43]

While in the Marines, Oswald made an effort to teach himself rudimentary Russian. Although this was an unusual endeavor, in February 1959 he was invited to take a Marine proficiency exam in written and spoken Russian. His level at the time was rated "poor."[44]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 02:20 AM

Defection to the Soviet Union

Almost immediately after arriving, Oswald told his Intourist guide of his desire to become a Soviet citizen. When asked why by the various Soviet officials he encountered—all of whom, by Oswald's account, found his wish incomprehensible—he said that he was a communist, and gave what he described in his diary as "vauge [sic] answers about 'Great Soviet Union'".[48] On October 21, the day his visa was due to expire, he was told that his citizenship application had been refused, and that he had to leave the Soviet Union that evening. Distraught, Oswald inflicted a minor but bloody wound to his left wrist in his hotel room bathtub soon before his Intourist guide was due to arrive to escort him from the country, according to his diary because he wished to kill himself in a way that would shock her.[48] Delaying Oswald's departure because of his self-inflicted injury, the Soviets kept him in a Moscow hospital under psychiatric observation until October 28, 1959.[49]

According to Oswald, he met with four more Soviet officials that same day, who asked if he wanted to return to the United States; he insisted to them that he wanted to live in the Soviet Union as a Soviet national. When pressed for identification papers, he provided his Marine Corps discharge papers.[50]

On October 31, Oswald appeared at the United States embassy in Moscow, declaring a desire to renounce his U.S. citizenship.[51][52] "I have made up my mind," he said; "I'm through."[53] He told the U.S. embassy interviewing officer, Richard Snyder, "...that he had been a radar operator in the Marine Corps and that he had voluntarily stated to unnamed Soviet officials that as a Soviet citizen he would make known to them such information concerning the Marine Corps and his specialty as he possessed. He intimated that he might know something of special interest."[54] (Such statements led to Oswald's hardship/honorable military discharge being changed to undesirable.)[55] The Associated Press story of the defection of a U.S. Marine to the Soviet Union was reported on the front pages of some newspapers in 1959.[53]

Though Oswald had wanted to attend Moscow University, he was sent to Minsk to work as a lathe operator at the Gorizont Electronics Factory, which produced radios, televisions, and military and space electronics. Stanislau Shushkevich, who later became independent Belarus's first head of state, was also engaged by Gorizont at the time, and was assigned to teach Oswald Russian.[56] Oswald received a government subsidized, fully furnished studio apartment in a prestigious building and an additional supplement to his factory pay—all in all, an idyllic existence by working-class Soviet standards,[57] though he was kept under constant surveillance.[58]

But Oswald grew bored in Minsk.[59] He wrote in his diary in January 1961: "I am starting to reconsider my desire about staying. The work is drab, the money I get has nowhere to be spent. No nightclubs or bowling alleys, no places of recreation except the trade union dances. I have had enough."[60] Shortly afterwards, Oswald (who had never formally renounced his U.S. citizenship) wrote to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow requesting return of his American passport, and proposing to return to the U.S. if any charges against him would be dropped.[61]

In March 1961, Oswald met Marina Nikolayevna Prusakova, a 19-year-old pharmacology student; they married less than six weeks later in April.[n 4][62] The Oswalds' first child, June, was born on February 15, 1962. On May 24, 1962, Oswald and Marina applied at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow for documents enabling her to immigrate to the U.S. and, on June 1, the U.S. Embassy gave Oswald a repatriation loan of $435.71.[63] Oswald, Marina, and their infant daughter left for the United States, where they received no attention from the press, much to Oswald's disappointment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 02:25 AM

Dallas-Fort Worth

The Oswalds soon settled in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, where Lee's mother and brother lived. Lee began a manuscript on Soviet life, though he eventually gave up the project.[65] The Oswalds also became acquainted with a number of anti-Communist Russian and East European émigrés in the area.[66][67] In testimony to the Warren Commission, Alexander Kleinlerer said that the Russian émigrés sympathized with Marina, while merely tolerating Oswald, whom they regarded as rude and arrogant.[68][n 5]

Although the Russian émigrés eventually abandoned Marina when she made no sign of leaving Oswald,[69] Oswald found an unlikely friend in 51-year-old Russian émigré George de Mohrenschildt, a well-educated petroleum geologist with international business connections[70][71] (a native of Russia, de Mohrenschildt later was to tell the Warren Commission that Oswald had a "...remarkable fluency in Russian").[72] Marina, meanwhile, befriended Ruth Paine,[73] a Quaker who was trying to learn Russian, and her husband Michael who worked for Bell Helicopter.[74]

In July 1962, Oswald was hired by Dallas' Leslie Welding Company; he disliked the work and quit after three months. In October, he was hired by the graphic-arts firm of Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall as a photoprint trainee. A fellow employee at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall testified that Oswald's rudeness at his new job was such that fights threatened to break out, and that he once saw Oswald reading a Russian language publication.[75] [n 6] Oswald was fired during the first week of April 1963.[76] Some have suggested that Oswald might have used equipment at the firm to forge identification documents.[77][78

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 02:32 AM

Edwin Walker assassination attempt

In March 1963, Oswald purchased a 6.5 mm caliber Carcano rifle by mail-order, using the alias "A. Hidell",[79] as well as a .38 Smith & Wesson Model 10 revolver by the same method.[80]

The Warren Commission concluded that on April 10, 1963, Oswald attempted to kill retired U.S. Major General Edwin Walker, firing his rifle at Walker through a window, from less than 100 feet (30 m) away, as Walker sat at a desk in his home; the bullet struck the window-frame and Walker's only injuries were bullet fragments to the forearm.[81] (The United States House Select Committee on Assassinations stated that the "evidence strongly suggested" that Oswald carried out the shooting.)[82]

General Walker was an outspoken anti-communist, segregationist, and member of the John Birch Society. In 1961, Walker had been relieved of his command of the 24th Division of the U.S. Army in West Germany for distributing right-wing literature to his troops.[83][84] Walker's later actions in opposition to racial integration at the University of Mississippi led to his arrest on insurrection, seditious conspiracy, and other charges. He was temporarily held in a mental institution on orders from President Kennedy's brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, but a grand jury refused to indict him.[85]

Marina Oswald testified that her husband told her that he traveled by bus to General Walker's house and shot at Walker with his rifle.[86][87] She said that Oswald considered Walker to be the leader of a "fascist organization."[88] A note Oswald left for Marina on the night of the attempt, telling her what to do if he did not return, was not found until ten days after the Kennedy assassination.[89][90][91][92]

Before the Kennedy assassination, Dallas police had no suspects in the Walker shooting,[93] but Oswald's involvement was suspected within hours of his arrest following the assassination.[94] The Walker bullet was too damaged to run conclusive ballistics studies on it,[95] but neutron activation analysis later showed that it was "extremely likely" that it was made by the same manufacturer and for the same rifle make as the two bullets which later struck Kennedy.[n 7]

George de Mohrenschildt testified that he "knew that Oswald disliked General Walker."[96] Regarding this, De Mohrenschildt and his wife Jeanne, recalled an incident that occurred the weekend following the Walker assassination attempt. The De Mohrenschildts testified that on April 14, 1963, just before Easter Sunday, they were visiting the Oswalds at their new apartment and had brought them a toy Easter bunny to give to their child. As Oswald's wife, Marina was showing Jeanne around the apartment, they discovered Oswald's rifle standing upright, leaning against the wall inside a closet. Jeanne told George that Oswald had a rifle, and George joked to Oswald, "Were you the one who took a pot-shot at General Walker?" When asked about Oswald's reaction to this question, George de Mohrenschildt told the Warren Commission that Oswald "smiled at that."[97] When George's wife, Jeanne was asked about Oswald's reaction, she said, "I didn't notice anything"; she continued, "we started laughing our heads off, big joke, big George's joke."[98] Jeanne de Mohrenschildt testified that this was the last time she or her husband ever saw the Oswalds.[99][100]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 02:43 AM

New Orleans

Oswald returned to New Orleans on April 24, 1963.[101] Marina's friend, Ruth Paine, drove her by car from Dallas to join Oswald in New Orleans the next month in May.[102] On May 10, Oswald was hired by the Reily Coffee Company whose owner, William Reily, was a backer of the Crusade to Free Cuba Committee, an anti-Castro organization.[103] Oswald worked as a machinery greaser at Reily, but he was fired in July "...because his work was not satisfactory and because he spent too much time loitering in Adrian Alba's garage next door, where he read rifle and hunting magazines."[104][105]

On May 26, Oswald wrote to the New York City headquarters of the pro-Castro Fair Play for Cuba Committee, proposing to rent "...a small office at my own expense for the purpose of forming a FPCC branch here in New Orleans."[106] Three days later, the FPCC responded to Oswald's letter advising against opening a New Orleans office "at least not ... at the very beginning."[107] In a follow-up letter, Oswald replied, "Against your advice, I have decided to take an office from the very beginning."[108]

As the sole member of the New Orleans chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, Oswald ordered the following items from a local printer: 500 application forms, 300 membership cards, and 1,000 leaflets with the heading, "Hands Off Cuba."[109] According to Lee Oswald's wife Marina, Lee told her to sign the name "A.J. Hidell" as chapter president on his membership card.[110]

On August 5 and 6, according to anti-Castro militant Carlos Bringuier, Oswald visited him at a store he owned in New Orleans. Bringuier was the New Orleans delegate for the Student Revolutionary Directorate (DRE), an anti-Castro organization. Bringuier would later tell the Warren Commission that he believed Oswald's visits were an attempt by Oswald to infiltrate his group.[111] On August 9, Oswald turned up in downtown New Orleans handing out pro-Castro leaflets. Bringuier confronted Oswald, claiming he was tipped off about Oswald's leafleting by a friend. A scuffle ensued and Oswald, Bringuier, and two of Bringuier's friends were arrested for disturbing the peace.[112] Before leaving the police station, Oswald asked to speak with an FBI agent. Agent John Quigley arrived and spent over an hour talking to Oswald.[113]

A week later, on August 16, Oswald again passed out Fair Play for Cuba leaflets with two hired helpers, this time in front of the International Trade Mart. The incident was filmed by WDSU—the local TV station.[114] The next day, Oswald was interviewed by WDSU radio commentator William Stuckey, who probed Oswald's background.[115][116] A few days later, Oswald accepted Stuckey's invitation to take part in a radio debate with Carlos Bringuier and Bringuier's associate Edward Butler, head of the right-wing Information Council of the Americas (INCA).[115][117]

One of Oswald's Fair Play for Cuba leaflets had the address "544 Camp Street" hand-stamped on it, apparently by Oswald himself.[118] The address was in the "Newman Building" which, from October 1961 to February 1962, housed the militant anti-Castro group, the Cuban Revolutionary Council.[119][120] Around the corner but located in the same building, with a different entrance, was the address 531 Lafayette Street—the address of "Guy Banister Associates", a private detective agency run by former FBI agent Guy Banister. Banister's office was involved in anti-Castro and private investigative activities in the New Orleans area (a CIA file indicated that in September 1960, the CIA had considered "...using Guy Banister Associates for the collection of foreign intelligence, but ultimately decided against it").[121][122]

In the late-1970s, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) investigated the possible relationship of Oswald to Banister's office. While the committee was unable to interview Guy Banister (who died in 1964), the committee did interview his brother Ross Banister. Ross "...told the committee that his brother had mentioned seeing Oswald hand out Fair Play for Cuba literature on one occasion. Ross theorized that Oswald had used the 544 Camp Street address on his literature to embarrass Guy."[123]

Guy Banister's secretary, Delphine Roberts, told author Anthony Summers that she saw Oswald at Banister's office, and that he filled out one of Banister's "agent" application forms. She said, "Oswald came back a number of times. He seemed to be on familiar terms with Banister and with the office."[124] The House Select Committee on Assassinations investigated Roberts' claims and said that "because of contradictions in Roberts' statements to the committee and lack of independent corroboration of many of her statements, the reliability of her statements could not be determined."[125]

Oswald's 1963 New Orleans activities were later investigated by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, as part of his prosecution of Clay Shaw in 1967–1969. Garrison was particularly interested in an associate of Guy Banister—a man named David Ferrie[126] and his possible connection to Oswald, which Ferrie himself denied.[127] Ferrie died before Garrison could complete his investigation.[128] Charged with conspiracy in the JFK assassination, Shaw was found not guilty.

The Warren Commission examined Oswald's involvement with a New Orleans Civil Air Patrol troop he briefly attended in 1955 with high school friend Edward Voebel. Several witnesses testified that David Ferrie was the Civil Air Patrol unit's commander during at least some of the time that Oswald attended C.A.P. meetings.[129][130][131][132][133] However, the FBI interviewed Ferrie shortly after the assassination and concluded there was no relationship of significance in regards to Oswald.[134] A more extensive investigation was done by the House Select Committee on Assassinations, which interviewed several of Oswald's former fellow cadets and others, none of whom recalled Ferrie and Oswald interacting. These fellow cadets said that Oswald attended some 8 to 10 C.A.P. meetings over a two-month period.[135][136][137] In 1993, the PBS television program Frontline obtained a photograph taken in 1955 showing Oswald and Ferrie at a C.A.P. cookout with other cadets.[138]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 02:54 AM

Mexico..

Marina's friend, Ruth Paine, transported Marina and her child by car from New Orleans to the Paine home in Irving, Texas, near Dallas, on September 23, 1963.[102][139] Oswald stayed in New Orleans at least two more days to collect a $33 unemployment check. It is uncertain when he left New Orleans; he is next known to have boarded a bus in Houston on September 26—bound for the Mexican border, rather than Dallas—and to have told other bus passengers that he planned to travel to Cuba via Mexico.[140][141] He arrived in Mexico City on September 27, where he applied for a transit visa at the Cuban Embassy,[142] claiming he wanted to visit Cuba on his way to the Soviet Union. The Cuban embassy officials insisted Oswald would need Soviet approval, but he was unable to get prompt co-operation from the Soviet embassy.

After five days of shuttling between consulates—that included a heated argument with an official at the Cuban consulate, impassioned pleas to KGB agents, and at least some CIA scrutiny,[143]—Oswald was told by a Cuban consular officer that he was disinclined to approve the visa, saying "a person like [Oswald] in place of aiding the Cuban Revolution, was doing it harm."[144] Later, on October 18, the Cuban embassy approved the visa, but by this time Oswald was back in the United States and had given up on his plans to visit Cuba and the Soviet Union. Still later, eleven days before the assassination of President Kennedy, Oswald wrote to the Soviet embassy in Washington, D.C., saying, "Had I been able to reach the Soviet Embassy in Havana, as planned, the embassy there would have had time to complete our business."[145][146]

While the Warren Commission concluded that Oswald had visited Mexico City and the Cuban and Soviet consulates, questions regarding whether someone posing as Oswald had appeared at the embassies were serious enough to be investigated by the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Later, the Committee agreed with the Warren Commission that Oswald had visited Mexico City and concluded that "the majority of evidence tends to indicate" that Oswald in fact visited the consulates, but the Committee could not rule out the possibility that someone else had used his name in visiting the consulates.[147]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 02:59 AM

Return to Dallas...

On October 2, 1963, Oswald left Mexico City by bus and arrived in Dallas the next day. On October 14, a neighbor told Ruth Paine that there was a job opening at the Texas School Book Depository. Mrs. Paine informed Oswald, who was interviewed at the Depository and was hired there on October 16.[148] Oswald's supervisor Roy Truly, said that Oswald "did a good day's work" and was an above average employee.[149][150] During the week, Oswald stayed in a Dallas rooming house (under the name "O.H. Lee"),[151] but he spent his weekends with Marina at the Paine home in Irving. Oswald did not drive, but commuted to and from Dallas on Mondays and Fridays with his friend and co-worker, Wesley Frazier. On October 20, the Oswalds' second daughter was born.

FBI agents twice visited the Paine home in early November, when Oswald was not present, and spoke to Mrs. Paine.[152] Oswald visited the Dallas FBI office about 2 to 3 weeks before the assassination, asking to see Special Agent James Hosty. When he was told that Hosty was unavailable, Oswald left a note that, according to the receptionist, read: "Let this be a warning. I will blow up the FBI and the Dallas Police Department if you don’t stop bothering my wife" [signed] "Lee Harvey Oswald." The note allegedly contained some sort of threat, but accounts vary as to whether Oswald threatened to "blow up the FBI" or merely "report this to higher authorities". According to Hosty, the note said, "If you have anything you want to learn about me, come talk to me directly. If you don't cease bothering my wife, I will take the appropriate action and report this to the proper authorities." Agent Hosty said that he destroyed Oswald's note on orders from his superior, Gordon Shanklin, after Oswald was named the suspect in the Kennedy assassination.[153][154]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 03:08 AM

The Kennedy and Tippet shootings...

In the days before Kennedy's arrival, several newspapers described the route of the presidential motorcade as passing the Book Depository.[155] On November 21 (a Thursday) Oswald asked Frazier for an unusual mid-week lift back to Irving, saying he had to pick up some curtain rods. The next morning (Friday) he returned to Dallas with Frazier; he left behind $170 and his wedding ring,[156] but took with him a paper bag. Frazier reported that Oswald told him the bag contained curtain rods,[157][158] The evidence demonstrated that the package actually contained the rifle used by Oswald in the assassination.[159][160][161][162][163][164][165][166]

Oswald's co-worker, Charles Givens, testified to the Commission that he last saw Oswald on the sixth floor of the Depository with a clipboard in his hand, and that Oswald asked him to close the elevator gate and to send the elevator back up to him. He believed that his encounter with Oswald took place at 11:55 a.m.—35 minutes before the assassination.[n 8] The Commission report stated that Oswald was not seen again "until after the shooting."[167] However, in an FBI report taken the day after the assassination, Givens said that the encounter took place at 11:30 a.m. and that he later saw Oswald reading a newspaper on the first floor at 11:50 a.m.[168] Oswald's boss, William Shelley, also testified that he saw Oswald on the first floor between 11:45 and 11:50 a.m.[169] Janitor Eddie Piper also testified to seeing Oswald on the first floor at 12:00 p.m.[170] Another co-worker, Bonnie Ray Williams was on the sixth floor of the Depository eating his lunch and was there until at least 12:10 p.m.[171] He said that during that time he did not see Oswald, or anyone else, on the sixth floor and felt he was the only one up there. However, he also said that some boxes in the southeast corner may have prevented him from seeing deep into the "sniper's nest."[172]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 03:13 AM

According to several government investigations, including the Warren Commission, as Kennedy's motorcade passed through Dallas's Dealey Plaza about 12:30 p.m. on November 22, Oswald fired three rifle shots from the sixth-floor, southeast corner window of the Book Depository,[173] killing the President and seriously wounding Texas Governor John Connally. Bystander James Tague received a minor facial injury from a small piece of curbstone that fragmented when struck by one of the bullets. According to the investigations, after shooting the President, Oswald hid and covered the rifle with boxes and descended using the rear stairwell. About ninety seconds after the shooting, in the second-floor lunchroom, Oswald encountered police officer Marrion Baker accompanied by Oswald's supervisor Roy Truly; Baker let Oswald pass after Truly identified him as an employee. According to Baker, Oswald did not appear to be nervous or out of breath.[174] Truly said that Oswald appeared "startled" when Baker aimed his gun at him.[175] Mrs. Robert Reid—clerical supervisor at the Depository, returning to her office within two minutes of the assassination—said that she saw Oswald who "was very calm" on the second floor with a Coke in his hands. As they walked past each other, Mrs. Reid said to Oswald, "The President has been shot" to which he mumbled something in response, but Reid did not understand him.[176] Oswald is believed to have left the Depository through the front entrance just before police sealed it off. Oswald's supervisor, Roy Truly, later pointed out to officers that Oswald was the only employee that he was certain was missing.[177][178]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 03:18 AM

At about 12:40 p.m., Oswald boarded a city bus but (probably due to heavy traffic) he requested a transfer from the bus driver and got off two blocks later.[179] Oswald took a taxicab to his rooming house, at 1026 North Beckley Avenue, arriving at about 1:00 p.m. He entered through the front door and, according to his housekeeper Earlene Roberts, immediately went to his room, "walking pretty fast".[180] Roberts said that Oswald left "a very few minutes" later, zipping up a jacket he was not wearing when he had entered earlier. As Oswald left, Roberts looked out of the window of her house and last saw him standing at the northbound Beckley Avenue bus stop in front of her house.[181]

At approximately 1:15 p.m., the Warren Commission concluded, Dallas Patrolman J. D. Tippit drove up in his patrol car alongside Oswald, presumably because he resembled the police broadcast description of the man seen firing shots at the presidential motorcade, near the corner of East 10th Street and North Patton Avenue.[182][183] (This location is about nine-tenths of a mile (1.4 km) southeast of Oswald's rooming house—a distance that the Warren Commission said, "Oswald could have easily walked".)[184] Tippit pulled alongside Oswald and "apparently exchanged words with [him] through the right front or vent window."[185] "Shortly after 1:15 p.m.",[n 9] Tippit exited his car and was immediately struck and killed by four shots.[185][186] Numerous witnesses heard the shots and saw Oswald flee the scene holding a revolver, nine positively identified him as the man who shot Tippit and fled.[187][n 10] Four cartridge cases found at the scene were identified by expert witnesses[188] before the Warren Commission and the House Select Committee as having been fired from the revolver later found in Oswald's possession, to the exclusion of all other weapons. However, the bullets taken from Tippit's body could not be positively identified as having been fired from Oswald's revolver as the bullets were too extensively damaged to make conclusive assessments.[188][189]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 03:22 AM

Shoe store manager Johnny Brewer testified that he saw Oswald "ducking into" the entrance alcove of his store. Suspicious of this activity, Brewer watched Oswald continue up the street and slip into the nearby Texas Theatre without paying.[190] He alerted the theater's ticket clerk, who telephoned police[191] at about 1:40 pm.

As police arrived, the house lights were brought up and Brewer pointed out Oswald sitting near the rear of the theater. Police Officer Nick McDonald testified that he was the first to reach Oswald and that Oswald seemed ready to surrender saying, "Well, it is all over now." However, Officer McDonald said that Oswald pulled out a pistol tucked into the front of his pants, then pointed the pistol at him, and pulled the trigger. McDonald stated that the pistol did not fire because the pistol's hammer came down on the webbing between the thumb and index finger of his hand as he grabbed for the pistol. McDonald also said that Oswald struck him, but that he struck back and Oswald was disarmed.[192][193] As he was led from the theater, Oswald shouted he was a victim of police brutality.[194]

At about 2 p.m., Oswald arrived at the Police Department building, where he was questioned by Detective Jim Leavelle about the shooting of Officer Tippit. When Captain J. W. Fritz heard Oswald's name, he recognized it as that of the Book Depository employee who was reported missing and was already a suspect in the assassination.[195][196] Oswald was formally arraigned for the murder of Officer Tippit at 7:10 p.m., and by the end of the night (shortly after 1:30 a.m.) he had been arraigned for the murder of President Kennedy as well.[197][198]

Soon after his capture Oswald encountered reporters in a hallway. Oswald declared, "I didn't shoot anybody" and, "They've taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I'm just a patsy!" Later, at an arranged press meeting, a reporter asked, "Did you kill the President?" and Oswald—who by that time had been advised of the charge of murdering Tippit, but had not yet been arraigned in Kennedy's death—answered, "No, I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody has said that to me yet. The first thing I heard about it was when the newspaper reporters in the hall asked me that question." As he was led from the room the question was called out, "What did you do in Russia?" and, "How did you hurt your eye?"; Oswald answered, "A policeman hit me."[19

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Nbadan

11-22-2013, 03:30 AM

Police interrogation

Oswald was interrogated several times during his two days at Dallas Police Headquarters. He denied killing Kennedy and Tippit; denied owning a rifle; said two photographs of him holding a rifle and a pistol were fakes; denied telling his co-worker he wanted a ride to Irving to get curtain rods for his apartment (he said that the package contained his lunch); and denied carrying a long, bulky package to work the morning of the assassination. Oswald also denied knowing an "A. J. Hidell". Oswald was then shown a forged Selective Service System card bearing his photograph and the alias, "Alek James Hidell" that he had in his possession at the time of his arrest. Oswald refused to answer any questions concerning the card, saying "...you have the card yourself and you know as much about it as I do."[205][20

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Fake Selective Service System (draft) card in the name of "Alek James Hidell", found on Oswald when arrested. "A. Hidell" was the name used on both envelope and order slip to buy the alleged murder weapon (see CE 773),[202] and "A. J. Hidell" was the alternate name on the New Orleans post office box rented June 11, 1963, by Oswald.[203] Both the alleged murder weapon and the pistol in Oswald's possession at arrest had earlier been shipped (at separate times) to Oswald's Dallas P.O. Box 2915, as ordered by "A. J. Hidell".[204]

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 03:38 AM

The First interrogation..

The first interrogation of Oswald was conducted by FBI Special Agent James Hosty and Dallas Police Captain Will Fritz on Friday, November 22. Asked to account for himself at the time of the assassination, Oswald replied that he was eating his lunch in the first floor lounge (known as the "domino room"). He said that he then went to the second-floor lunchroom to buy a Coca-Cola from the soda machine and was drinking it when he encountered a police officer.[207][208][209][210] Oswald said that while he was in the domino room, he saw two "Negro employees" walking by, one he recognized as "Junior" and a shorter man whose name he could not recall.[211] Junior Jarman and Harold Norman confirmed to the Warren Commission that they had "walked through" the domino room around noon during their lunch break. When asked if anyone else was in the domino room, Norman testified that somebody else was there, but he could not remember who it was. Jarman testified that Oswald was not in the domino room when he was there.[212] During his last interrogation on November 24, according to postal inspector Harry Holmes, Oswald was again asked where he was at the time of the shooting. Holmes (who attended the interrogation at the invitation of Captain Will Fritz) said that Oswald replied that he was working on an upper floor when the shooting occurred, then went downstairs where he encountered a policeman.[213]

Oswald asked for legal representation several times while being interrogated, as well as in encounters with reporters. But when representatives of the Dallas Bar Association met with him in his cell on Saturday, he declined their services, saying he wanted to be represented by John Abt, chief counsel to the Communist Party USA, or by lawyers associated with the American Civil Liberties Union.[214][215] Both Oswald and Ruth Paine tried to reach Abt by telephone several times Saturday and Sunday,[216][217] but Abt was away for the weekend.[218] Oswald also declined his brother Robert's offer on Saturday to obtain a local attorney.[219]

During an interrogation with Captain Fritz, when asked, "Are you a communist?", he replied, "No, I am not a communist. I am a Marxist."[220][221][222]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 03:40 AM

Death

On Sunday, November 24, Oswald was being led through the basement of Dallas Police Headquarters in advance of his transfer to the county jail. At 11:21 a.m., Dallas nightclub operator Jack Ruby stepped from the crowd and shot Oswald in the chest, the bullet striking several organs, penetrated his stomach, and tore his vena cava and aorta.[223] Oswald was rushed unconscious to Parkland Memorial Hospital—the same hospital where doctors tried to save President Kennedy's life two days earlier. Oswald died at 1:07 p.m.[151] An autopsy was performed by the Dallas County Medical Examiner at 2:45 p.m. the same day. The stated cause of death in the autopsy report was "hemorrhage secondary to gunshot wound of the chest."[223]

A network television camera, there to cover the transfer, was broadcasting live, and millions witnessed the shooting on television as it happened.[224] The event was also captured in several well-known photographs.

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Nbadan

11-22-2013, 03:48 AM

Ruby's motive..

Ruby later said he had been distraught over Kennedy's death and that his motive for killing Oswald was "...saving Mrs. Kennedy the discomfiture of coming back to trial."[225] Others have hypothesized that Ruby was part of a conspiracy. G. Robert Blakey, chief council for the House Select Committee on Assassinations from 1977 to 1979, said: "The most plausible explanation for the murder of Oswald by Jack Ruby was that Ruby had stalked him on behalf of organized crime, trying to reach him on at least three occasions in the forty-eight hours before he silenced him forever."[226]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 03:53 AM

Warren Commission

The Warren Commission, created by President Lyndon B. Johnson to investigate the assassination, concluded that Oswald acted alone in assassinating Kennedy (this view is known as the lone gunman theory). The Commission could not ascribe any one motive or group of motives to Oswald's actions:

It is apparent, however, that Oswald was moved by an overriding hostility to his environment. He does not appear to have been able to establish meaningful relationships with other people. He was perpetually discontented with the world around him. Long before the assassination he expressed his hatred for American society and acted in protest against it. Oswald's search for what he conceived to be the perfect society was doomed from the start. He sought for himself a place in history—a role as the "great man" who would be recognized as having been in advance of his times. His commitment to Marxism and communism appears to have been another important factor in his motivation. He also had demonstrated a capacity to act decisively and without regard to the consequences when such action would further his aims of the moment. Out of these and the many other factors which may have molded the character of Lee Harvey Oswald there emerged a man capable of assassinating President Kennedy.[232]

The proceedings of the commission were closed, though not secret, and about 3% of its files have yet to be released to the public, which has continued to provoke speculation among researchers.[n 11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 03:54 AM

Ramsey Clark Panel

In 1968, the Ramsey Clark Panel examined various photographs, X-ray films, documents, and other evidence, concluding that Kennedy was struck by two bullets fired from above and behind him, one of which traversed the base of the neck on the right side without striking bone, and the other of which entered the skull from behind and destroyed its right side.[233]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 03:58 AM

House Select Committee
Main article: United States House Select Committee on Assassinations
Further information: Dictabelt evidence relating to the assassination of John F. Kennedy

In 1979, after a review of the evidence and of prior investigations, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) largely concurred with the Warren Commission and was preparing to issue a finding that Oswald had acted alone in killing Kennedy.[234] However, late in the Committee's proceedings a dictabelt recording was introduced, purportedly recording sounds heard in Dealey Plaza before, during and after the shots were fired. After an analysis by the firm Bolt, Beranek and Newman appeared to indicate more than three gunshots, the HSCA revised its findings to assert a "high probability that two gunmen fired" at Kennedy and that Kennedy "was probably assassinated as the result of a conspiracy." Although the Committee was "unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy," it made a number of further findings regarding the likelihood or unlikelihood that particular groups, named in the findings, were involved.[235] Four of the twelve members of the HSCA dissented from this conclusion.[234]

The acoustical evidence has since been discredited.[7][8][9][10][11][12] Officer H.B. McLain, from whose motorcycle radio the HSCA acoustic experts said the Dictabelt evidence came,[236][237] has repeatedly stated that he was not yet in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination.[238] McLain asked the Committee, "‘If it was my radio on my motorcycle, why did it not record the revving up at high speed plus my siren when we immediately took off for Parkland Hospital?’”[239]

In 1982, a panel of twelve scientists appointed by the National Academy of Sciences, including Nobel laureates Norman Ramsey and Luis Alvarez, unanimously concluded that the acoustic evidence submitted to the HSCA was "seriously flawed", was recorded after the President had been shot, and did not indicate additional gunshots.[240] Their conclusions were later published in the journal Science.[241]

In a 2001 article in the journal Science & Justice, D.B. Thomas wrote that the NAS investigation was itself flawed. He concluded with a 96.3 percent certainty that there were at least two gunmen firing at President Kennedy and that at least one shot came from the grassy knoll.[242] In 2005, Thomas' conclusions were rebutted in the same journal. Ralph Linsker and several members of the original NAS team reanalyzed the timings of the recordings and reaffirmed the earlier conclusion of the NAS report that the alleged shot sounds were recorded approximately one minute after the assassination.[243] In 2010, D.B. Thomas challenged in a book the 2005 Science & Justice article and restated his conclusion that there were at least two gunmen.[244]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Nbadan

11-22-2013, 04:16 AM

Some physical evidence...

WASHINGTON (July 2) - Thirty-three years ago, Gerald R. Ford took pen in hand and changed - ever so slightly - the Warren Commission's key sentence on the place where a bullet entered John F. Kennedy's body when he was killed in Dallas.

The effect of Ford's change was to strengthen the commission's conclusion that a single bullet passed through Kennedy and severely wounded Texas Gov. John Connally - a crucial element in its finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole gunman.

A small change, said Ford on Wednesday when it came to light, one intended to clarify meaning, not alter history.

''My changes had nothing to do with a conspiracy theory,'' he said in a telephone interview from Beaver Creek, Colo. ''My changes were only an attempt to be more precise.''

But still, his editing was seized upon by members of the conspiracy community, which rejects the commission's conclusion that Oswald acted alone.

''This is the most significant lie in the whole Warren Commission report,'' said Robert D. Morningstar, a computer systems specialist in New York City who said he has studied the assassination since it occurred and written an Internet book about it.

The effect of Ford's editing, Morningstar said, was to suggest that a bullet struck Kennedy in the neck, ''raising the wound two or three inches. Without that alteration, they could never have hoodwinked the public as to the true number of assassins.''

If the bullet had hit Kennedy in the back, it could not have struck Connolly in the way the commission said it did, he said.

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/sibert.htm

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Note bullet hole lower down on back. That hole is nowhere near where JFK's neck was. It was in his back.

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Photo of JFK's suit coat, showing that the bullet hole in the shirt and suit coat line up, discrediting the Warren Commmsion claim that the shirt had "bunched up" around JFK's neck when the bullet hit.

mouse

11-22-2013, 06:02 AM

Nbadan is on a mission.......

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mouse

11-22-2013, 07:04 AM

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AntiChrist

11-22-2013, 09:03 AM

The likelihood of a conspiracy is inversely proportional to the number of conspiracies associated with an event, e.g. JFK and 9/11. It does help book sales, so there's always that.

Twisted_Dawg

11-22-2013, 09:58 AM

Back in the 70's there was a Texas singer named Shawn Phillips whose Uncle was CIA officer David Atlee Phillips, one of the CIA spooks frequently mentioned as being knee deep in the assassination and possibly Oswald's handler. David Atlee Phillips was Shawn's father's brother. Shawn's father became convinced that David was involved in the assassination and the two men had a falling out that lasted for years. When David was dying of cancer and on his deathbed he called his brother to try to heal the riff. His brother quickly asked him, "David, were you in Dallas on that day?" , at which point David admitted he was. His brother then hung up the phone."

Shawn Phillips is the nephew of David Atlee Phillips and the son of James Atlee Phillips (deceaseed brother of D.A.P.). Email from Shawn Phillips:

“The “Confession”, you refer to was not in so many words as such. I cannot remember the time frames involved, but this was what was told to me by my father, James Atlee Phillips, who is deceased. He said that David had called him with reference to his (Davids), invitation to a dinner, by a man who was purportedly writing a book on the CIA. At this dinner, was also present a man who was identified only as the “Driver”. David told Jim that he knew the man was there to identify him as Raul Salcedo, whose name you should be familiar with, if your research is accurate in this matter. David then told Jim that he had written a letter to the various media, as a “Preemptive Strike” , against any and all allegations about his involvement in the JFK assassination. Jim knew that David was the head of the “Retired Intelligence Officers of the CIA”, or some such organization, and that he was extremely critical of JFK, and his policies. Jim knew at that point, that David was in some way, seriously involved in this matter and he and David argued rather vehemently, resulting in a silent hiatus between them that lasted almost six years according to Jim. Finally, as David was dying of irreversible lung cancer, he called Jim and there was apparently no reconciliation between them, as Jim asked David pointedly, “Were you in Dallas on that day”? David said, “Yes”, and Jim hung the phone up.”

That information used to be at this now defunct web site (always save stuff on the internet!):

http://www.shawnphillips.com/james.html

Blake

11-22-2013, 10:58 AM

Neat story.

can we get an authentic transcript of that telephone conversation?

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boutons_deux

11-22-2013, 01:17 PM

oh hell, I'll throw this in, having NO WAY to confirm any of it.

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President John F. Kennedy is seen riding in motorcade approximately one minute before he was shot in Dallas, Tx., on Nov. 22, 1963. In the car riding with Kennedy are Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy, right, Nellie Connally, left, and her husband, Gov. John Connally of Texas. (photo: AP)

16 Mind-Blowing Facts About Who Really Killed JFK

By Carl Gibson, Reader Supported News22 November

13http://readersupportednews.org/images/stories/alphabet/rsn-G.jpgovernment documents declassified after the passage of the JFK Records Act in 1992 prove that the official narrative is bullshit. There is overwhelming evidence implicating the CIA and other United States intelligence agencies, as well as top military officials and corporate entities, in a complex plot to stage a coup against a president who rebelled against their wishes.Many of the facts revealed in this article were gleaned from the book "JFK and the Unspeakable," by Jim Douglass, which has recently been endorsed by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I use Douglass's book as a main source, as all of his facts are documented in over 100 pages of endnotes, citing declassified government documents contained in the National Archives building in Maryland, which are available to the public.

1. Eisenhower warned us of the "military-industrial complex" just before Kennedy took office

In January of 1961, the five-star general who commanded the defeat of the Nazis in World War II, who served as commander-in-chief during the Korean War, and who became the first Supreme Commander of NATO, spoke ominously in his final address to the nation of a sinister group of entities he called the "military-industrial complex. (http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html)" President Eisenhower urged Americans to stay alert and aware before this shadowy, intimately-tied group of government and corporate entities seized too much power.

"Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.... In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.... We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted." –Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

Eisenhower's successor would go toe-to-toe with the beast Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell address on a near-daily basis. The military-industrial complex had already laid out plans for the World War II veteran and newly-elected president to pre-emptively start a nuclear war with the Soviet Union. John F. Kennedy's insistence on peace would be his downfall.2. JFK went toe to toe with military contractor United States Steel

"My father always told me that all businessmen were sons of bitches, but I never believed it until now." – John F. Kennedy, (http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/36888.html) April 1962

One of the leading companies in the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned of was United States Steel, a major contractor with the US military that controlled 25% of the entire steel market. Steelworkers staged a 4-month strike in 1959 during Eisenhower's second term, and Kennedy hoped to avoid a similar flareup during his tenure amidst fears of inflation affecting steel prices.JFK brokered a deal (http://peoplesworld.org/how-jfk-forced-steel-price-roll-back/) between United Steel Workers (USW) and the steel industry, by which workers would get a slight wage increase while a price hike on steel would be avoided for the time being. Kennedy praised the industry for the compromise, calling it "industrial statesmanship of the highest order." But the words quoted above were spoken to his aides in private, after United States Steel CEO Roger Bloughdouble-crossed Kennedy (http://youtu.be/zWNhWANkq0Q) and informed him in the Oval Office, after the deal was done, that his company would actually be raising steel prices by 3.5 percent to $6 a ton, with other steel companies following suit.But after Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, informed United States Steel that a new submarine construction contract would be given to a smaller steel company that hadn't agreed to the price hike, other industries that had raised prices in response to U.S. Steel's maneuverquickly withdrew (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/27547588?uid=3739976&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21102972959907) their price hikes, leaving the military-industrial complex smarting from the Kennedy administration's pointed blow.

3. The military-industrial complex regularly pressured JFK to start all-out nuclear war

"And we call ourselves the human race." – John F. Kennedy to Secretary of State Dean Rusk, after walking out of a top-secret Pentagon briefing

The specter of nuclear war constantly loomed over the Kennedy administration. While JFK famously de-escalated the threat of nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis, what was not yet known was that Fidel Castro had allowed Russian missiles on Cuban land only as a deterrent against a US attack. However, Kennedy's Joint Chiefs of Staff thought the opposite, that if the United States didn't strike first, the nation would be obliterated. Plans for a nuclear first strike against the Soviet Union were already in place by the time Kennedy took office."Even though it sounds crazy to us, the CIA truly believed Kennedy was deliberately obstructing a war that had to happen," Jim Douglass told me in a phone interview. "The Soviets were seen as absolute evil, and we were the supposed 'good guys.'"On page 237 (http://books.google.com/books?id=KS-6XrdalGkC&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=JFK+and+we+call+ourselves+the+human+race&source=bl&ots=1hVagZvRBF&sig=-xESBmtqK16YFNhe8ACaleeJlQY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cqiLUqC0NqSsyAH2yQE&ved=0CFUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false), Jim Douglass describes a top-secret "Doomsday Briefing" between Kennedy and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, where plans were laid out for a pre-emptive nuclear strike (http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Essay_-_Did_the_US_Military_Plan_a_Nuclear_First_Strike_f or_1963) on the Soviet Union in 1963. Kennedy repeatedly pressed his top generals for an assessment of the effectiveness of such an attack, and the potential loss of life in the United States. Finally, Kennedy walked out in disgust, making the remark quoted above to his secretary of state.At the height of cold war tensions, top military brass were deeply troubled by the prospect of a commander-in-chief who actively sought peace with an entity widely viewed as the ultimate enemy of the United States.

boutons_deux

11-22-2013, 01:18 PM

4. JFK secretly brokered a nuclear disarmament treaty with Khrushchev

President Kennedy and Soviet Chairman Nikita Khrushchevsecretly wrote letters to one another throughout JFK's presidency, and both eventually began to doubt their circle of advisers and appointees about the evil of the other and gradually worked toward peace. Twenty-one letters of correspondence were released by the State Department in July of 1993 after a Freedom of Information Act request was filed by a Canadian newspaper.

Kennedy had first met with Khrushchev in Vienna, and was stunned at his hard-headedness and nonchalance about the prospect of nuclear war. But Khrushchev's first letter to Kennedy, which a KGB agent covertly handed to Kennedy's press secretary, Pierre Salinger, behind the back of the Kremlin, spoke warmly of his retreat near the Black Sea and lamented conditions that could lead to the annihilation of millions. Referring to their earlier meeting in Vienna, Khrushchev said:

"The whole world hopefully expected that our meeting and a frank exchange of views would have a soothing effect, would turn relations between our countries into the correct channel and promote adoption of decisions which would give the peoples confidence that at least peace on earth will at last be secured. To my regret – and I believe, to yours – this did not happen." –

Nikita Khrushchev, September 29, 1961

From October 16 to 28, 1962, Kennedy willfully ignored his military and intelligence advisers and decided to resolve the Cuban Missile Crisis without instigating nuclear war. The reason Khrushchev installed the missiles in the first place was due to his understanding that the Bay of Pigs invasion was merely the United States' first of many forays into Cuban affairs, as he wrote in his memoir.

Robert F. Kennedy, in his memoir "Thirteen Days," wrote of the tense situation his brother faced as the situation seemed to deteriorate toward nuclear war and human annihilation. At one point, two Soviet submarines were charging toward the US naval blockade, which was set up in Cuban waters to stop further shipments of warheads from the USSR. The submarines were targeted for destruction by depth charges, which would likely set off a chain of events leading to war. RFK wrote about his grey-faced brother clenching his fist and holding it over his mouth before Khrushchev ordered the subs to not challenge the blockade at the last minute.

According to White House tapes declassified in the late nineties, General Curtis LeMay of the Joint Chiefs of Staff admonished his commander-in-chief during the crisis for setting up the blockade instead of launching a pre-emptive strike. LeMay compared the blockade to the notorious appeasement of Hitler at Munich in 1938, saying Kennedy's decision would make him look weak to the Soviets and to the American public.

LeMay: "You're in a pretty bad fix." Kennedy (laughing): "You're in with me, personally."

However, the crisis was resolved peacefully, largely thanks to the rapport JFK and Khrushchev established with the secret letters they sent each other through intermediaries. In October of 1963, Khrushchev signed a historic nuclear test ban treaty, which, in a letter to the president, he said would "clear the road to general and complete disarmament, and, consequently, to the delivering of peoples from the threat of war."

Khrushchev also wrote about the potential for projects the two leaders could work on, like the "conclusion of a non-aggression pact between countries of NATO and member states of the Warsaw Pact, creation of nuclear-free zones in various regions of the world, barring the further spread of the nuclear weapon, banning of launching into orbit objects bearing nuclear weapons, measures for the prevention of a surprise attack, among other steps."

However, when Soviet foreign minister Valerian Zorin handed this letter to US ambassador Foy Kohler, a cold warrior recommended by the Foreign Service whom Kennedy appointed only when his brother could offer no alternatives, Kohler commented to the State Department that the letter contained nothing of value. The State Department wrote a boilerplate two-paragraph response that remained forever in limbo, and Kennedy died a month later, never seeing the correspondence from the Soviet leader that could have ended the cold war.

5. JFK openly sided with Castro in the Cuban Revolution

"If you see him again, tell him that I'm willing to declare Goldwater my friend if that will guarantee Kennedy's re-election!" – Fidel Castro to

Jean Daniel, November 19, 1963

On October 24, 1963, French journalist Jean Daniel met with JFK in an interview arranged by Newsweek. Daniel would later interview Fidel Castro, just three days before Kennedy's assassination. US-Cuba relations had been volatile since the botched Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961. Castro had recently removed Fulgencio Batista, a right-wing dictator allied with the US, from office, and instead allied with the Soviet Union in the height of the cold war. The Bay of Pigs invasion was the CIA's failed ploy to push Kennedy into a corner and force him to go to war with Cuba, and by default, the Soviet Union.

President Eisenhower had already allocated $13 million to the CIA during his final year in office to authorize the training of Brigade 2506, a paramilitary group charged with overthrowing the Castro regime. Three days after Bridgade 2506 traveled from Guatemala to invade Cuba, Castro forced their surrender, prompting Kennedy to make the decision to mount a larger invasion or suffer a humiliating defeat. After the incident, Kennedy famously said he wanted to "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds."

Jean Daniel's eye-opening interview with President Kennedy, roughly 2 years after the Bay of Pigs and a year after the Cuban Missile Crisis, revealed that Kennedy in fact sympathized with Fidel Castro, the socialist leader that Americans were conditioned to hate. This is in spite of the fact that Kennedy ran against Nixon in the election on a platform of stiffness toward the Cuban regime.

"I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country's policies during the Batista regime.... I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries." –

John F. Kennedy, October 24, 1963

Just as he did with Nikita Khrushchev, JFK used intermediaries to correspond with Castro and set up a meeting between the two leaders, subverting his own State Department. Kennedy instructed Adlai Stevenson's assistant, William Atwood, to start communicating with Cuba's UN ambassador, Carlos Lechuga. Castro was doing the same, having been urged by Khrushchev to communicate with Kennedy in an attempt to make peace. Atwood was making progress on setting up talks between the two leaders through Castro's assistant, Rene Vallejo.

On November 19, 1963, Fidel Castro appeared suddenly at Jean Daniel's hotel in Havana, prompting a six-hour conversation from 10 p.m. to 4 a.m., wanting to hear all about his conversation with Kennedy. The Cuban leader told Daniel that he believed Kennedy could be the one US president to forge world peace.

"He still has the possibility of becoming, in the eyes of history, the greatest President of the United States, the leader who may at last understand that there can be coexistence between capitalists and socialists, even in the Americas. He would then be an even greater president than Lincoln," Castro said.

On the afternoon of November 22, Jean Daniel was interviewing Castro at his home about the Cuban Missile Crisis, when Castro got a call about President Kennedy having been shot in Dallas. Upon hearing the news, Castro repeated the phrase, "Es una mala noticia (this is bad news)," three times. Upon hearing confirmation of Kennedy's death, Castro told Daniel, "Everything is changed. Everything is going to change." Lyndon Baynes Johnson put on hold any and all dialogue between Washington and Havana, despite Castro's numerous attempts to reach out and make peace.

6. JFK was secretly working to end the US occupation of Vietnam

"This war in Vietnam – it's never off my mind, it haunts me day and night… The first thing I do when I'm re-elected, I'm going to get the Americans out of Vietnam." – John F. Kennedyto next-door neighbor Larry Newman in Hyannis Port, October 20, 1963

Before delving into Vietnam, it's important to acknowledge that Kennedy has received lots of deserved criticism over his decision to deploy Agent Orange, a toxic chemical weapon developed by Monsanto, Dow Chemical and others, in Vietnam in 1962. Agent Orange was responsible for the contamination of crops and thousands of Vietnamese deaths, and will continue to cause serious health defects for generations of Vietnamese yet to be born. Agent Orange alsocontributed to the deaths of US soldiers who developed serious health conditions upon their return home.

But to fully understand the transition Kennedy underwent from fierce cold warrior to staunch advocate for world peace, Jim Douglass's "JFK and the Unspeakable" is a must-read. Douglass cites letters written by Thomas Merton, a monk living in Kentucky who offered harsh critiques of Kennedy's foreign policy and in-depth analysis of his complete transition from a war hawk to a peacemaker. Along with juggling the world-shaking Cuban Missile Crisis and constant tensions with the Soviet Union, Kennedy also had to deal with the prospect of either continuing to prop up the brutal and corrupt Diem regime, or allowing a coup that would oust Diem and give the Soviets an extra piece in the global chess game between the US and USSR.

In late April of 1961, General Douglas MacArthur, who commanded the Allies in the Pacific, told Kennedy: "Anyone wanting to commit American ground forces to the mainland of Asia should have his head examined." When the Joint Chiefs of Staff pressured Kennedy to up the troop presence in Vietnam and even deploy nuclear weapons, he cited the words of General MacArthur in defending his position.

In November of 1963, Kennedy told General David Shoup, commander of the Marines and the only member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff he trusted, that the first thing he'd do following the election would be to pull all troops out of Vietnam. Shoup advised his commander-in-chief, "Unless we were prepared to use a million men in a major drive, we should pull out before the war expanded beyond control." Kennedy issued National Security Action Memo (NSAM) 263 just before his death, which secretly authorized the withdrawal of 1,000 US troops from Vietnam. As history shows, NSAM 263 would never be obeyed, and the Vietnam War would escalate into an unwinnable quagmire under the LBJ administration.

7. JFK refused a 9/11-esque plot to stage terrorist attacks on US soil to be blamed on Cuba

"We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters.... The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to 'evacuate' remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." – Operation Northwoods, March 13, 1962

In the Spring of 1962, the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a sinister, top-secret plot to create the political will to invade Cuba, called Operation Northwoods. This plan was so secretive that it couldn't be seen by even "commanders of unified or specified commands," "US officers assigned to NATO activities," or even "the Chairman, US delegation, United Nations Military Staff Committee." Upon seeing the documents, Kennedy told Joints Chiefs of Staff ChairmanLyman Lemnitzer there was no way Operation Northwoods would happen under his watch, and a few months later, subsequently denied a renewal of his chairmanship. These excerpts of the document are probably what made Kennedy say no, more than anything else:

"A series of well-coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces."

"We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated)."

7. Hijacking attempts of civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba.

Operation Northwoods goes on to explain a detailed plan involving a CIA plane to be painted at Eglin Air Force Base to duplicate a registered civilian aircraft that would be converted to a drone. Then, "any grouping of people with a common interest" would charter a nonscheduled flight to a South American country with a flight plan that crosses Cuba.

The passengers would all be given "carefully prepared aliases" before boarding, and once their plane passed a "rendezvous point" south of Florida, the drone aircraft would proceed to be detonated by radio control over Cuban airspace after "transmitting on the international frequency a 'MAY DAY' message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft." Meanwhile, the jet with the passengers would fly at minimum altitude back to Eglin so the military would "return the aircraft to its original status."

Every last detail was thought out for this false flag attack, including the addition of a "pre-briefed pilot" who would fly "tail-end-Charlie," or right in between the passenger plane and the drone craft. Upon crossing into Cuban airspace, the pilot would put out a distress signal that he was under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft, say he's going down, and fly back to Eglin, whereupon a new tail number would be given to his craft. The pilot would then "resume his proper identity and return to his normal place of business." Meanwhile, other surface craft would litter the waters surrounding Cuba with F-101 parts, where search ships would be sent out to find a parachute and other aircraft parts. The document states, "The pilots returning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew."

Despite Kennedy's steadfast refusal of their nefarious plan, the Joint Chiefs of Staff agreed to keep planning "pretext operations" without Lemnitzer, who would become the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO after Kennedy's assassination.

boutons_deux

11-22-2013, 01:18 PM

8. Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset

Three years before the Kennedy assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald was being investigated by the CIA's Special Investigations Group (SIG), a branch of the agency's Counter-Intelligence (CI) division, headed by James Angleton between 1954 and 1974. This was confirmed in the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) questioning of Ann Egerter, a member of Angleton's staff who opened the CIA file on Lee Harvey Oswald (a "201 file" in US intel lingo) in December of 1960.

The kicker is that the CI/SIG division is only tasked with investigating current CIA agents who are potential security risks. Egerter said her office was known within the CIA as "the office that spied on spies." She further elaborated on SIG as the entity that undertook "investigations of agency employees where there was an indication of espionage."

Because CIA agents are forbidden to disclose the identity of any other agents, Oswald's true occupation could only be discerned through indirect questions directed at Egerter. One HSCA interviewer asked her what the purpose of the CI/SIG was within the agency. Through this line of questioning, it can be discerned that Lee Harvey Oswald was seen in 1960 as a security risk, making him easy to burn, for example, as a patsy in the Kennedy assassination.

Interviewer: "Please correct me if I'm wrong … it seems that the purpose of CI/SIG was very limited and that limited purpose was to investigate agency employees who for some reason were under suspicion."

Egerter: "That is correct."

Interviewer: "When a 201 file is opened, does that mean that whoever opens the file has either an intelligence interest in the individual, or, if not an intelligence interest, he thinks that the individual may present a counterintelligence risk?"

Egerter: "Well, in general, I would say that would be correct."

Interviewer: "Would there be any other reason for opening up a file?"

Egerter: "No, I can't think of one."

9. Oswald was on the FBI's payroll

In 1963, William Walter was a clerk in the FBI's New Orleans office. He told the HSCA that Lee Oswald indeed had "an informant's status with our office." Orest Pena, another FBI informant, said he saw Oswald with FBI agent Warren deBrueys on 'numerous occasions,' even stating that deBrueys physically threatened him about not revealing what he saw before Pena appeared before the Warren Commission. Oswald's friend Adrian Alba, who managed a New Orleans garage that held FBI and Secret Service cars, recalled watching Oswald approach an FBI car outside the garage and receive a white envelope that was handed to him through a cracked window before concealing it under his shirt. Alba later said Oswald "met the car again a couple of days later and talked briefly with the driver," whom Alba knew as an "FBI agent visiting New Orleans from Washington."

While in New Orleans, Oswald was working for the Reily Coffee Company, which was owned by William B. Reily, a financial supporter of the CIA-sponsored Cuban Revolutionary Council. A CIA memo dated January 31, 1964, that has since been declassified states "[Reily's] firm was of interest as of April 1949." CIA contractor Gerry Patrick Hemming also confirmed Reily's coordination with the CIA in a 1968 interview with the New Orleans District Attorney's Office, which "confirmed that William Reily had worked for the CIA for years." Reily's company was located close to the New Orleans offices of the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, and Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI).

Oswald also worked in the office of a detective and former FBI agent named Guy Banister, whose office was directly across the street from the ONI and Secret Service offices.According to Daniel Campbell, an ex-Marine who spied on radical New Orleans students and gave small arms training to Cuban exiles, "Banister was a bagman for the CIA and was running guns to Alpha 66 in Miami." As you'll read later,Alpha 66 was a CIA-funded group of Cuban vigilantes plotting to overthrow Castro.

Oswald's intelligence connections may explain why he was able to summon an FBI agent so easily following his August arrest for an altercation that broke out when he was passing out pro-Castro leaflets. Oswald had written to the New York headquarters of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee about starting a New Orleans branch, and FPCC national director V.T. Lee wrote back, urging him not to cause "unnecessary incidents which frighten away prospective supporters." Oswald did the exact opposite.

On August 5, Oswald visited Carlos Bringuier at his clothing store about wanting to train Cubans to fight Castro. Bringuier was leader of the Directorio Revolucionario Estudiantil(DRE), which was later described in a 1967 CIA memorandum as "conceived, created and funded by the CIA." When E. Howard Hunt testified to the HSCA, he named David Atlee Phillips as the person in charge of the group. Though Bringuier testified to the Warren Commission that he was wary about Oswald's visit, the two CIA-connected men nevertheless staged an act of elaborate street theater that ended in a fight and subsequent arrest of the two men and three of Bringuier's friends.

While he was in jail, Oswald asked to speak to the FBI, whereupon Special Agent John Quigley met with him for an hour and a half. When Quigley testified about this incident to the Warren Commission, he said Oswald simply explained to him why he was passing out the Castro leaflets. But Harold Weisberg's book "Whitewash IV" included top-secret remarksfrom chief Warren Commission council J. Lee Rankin, which were declassified after an extensive legal battle. Rankin's statement revealed the actual reason for Oswald's meeting with Quigley. According to the session transcript, Rankin stated Oswald was "employed by the FBI at $200 a month from September of 1962 up to the time of the assassination."

10. CIA assets helped Lee Harvey Oswald get work

Oswald's connections to the CIA and FBI would explain why Oswald was issued a passport from New Orleans, Louisiana, to Minsk, USSR, in 1959 in just 24 hours. This is highly unusual, considering Oswald, a former member of the military, had just renounced his American citizenship in the height of the Cold War to travel to the Soviet Union, where presumably his knowledge of military radar from his service in the Marines (including his work on the CIA's top-secret U-2 project, which you'll read about later) would be given to the enemy. Upon Oswald's return to the US in 1961, he and his new wife, Marina, were befriended by the vehemently anti-Communist Russian community in Fort Worth.

While he was in Fort Worth, Oswald became acquainted with a man named George de Mohrenschildt, a CIA asset and son of a Czarist Russia official who liked to be called "The Baron." In a 1977 interview, de Mohrenschildt admitted that he was given approval to first contact Oswald in late 1961 by J. Walton Moore, the CIA's Domestic Contacts Service Chief in Dallas. Moore primed de Mohrenschildt to meet his contact, informing him of "an ex-American Marine who had worked in an electronics factory in Minsk, and in whom there was 'interest.'" In the summer of 1962, de Mohenschildt said he was handed Oswald's address by an associate of Moore, and, as a quid pro quo, asked Moore to facilitate a contract through his company with "Papa Doc" Duvalier in Haiti.

According to de Mohrenschildt's wife and daughter, In October of 1962, just 9 days before the Cuban Missile Crisis, Oswald's new friend and mentor George de Mohrenschildt convinced Lee and Marina to move to Dallas. "The Baron" set up a job for Oswald at a graphic arts company called Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall (JCS), which had contracts with the US Army Map Service. Even though Oswald had renounced his citizenship and would normally be seen as a turncoat by military security apparatus, he nonetheless was working on classified projects involving top-secret U-2 missions. Oswald's coworkers at JCS said they were working on setting type for Cuban place names to be put on maps, and just days later, Kennedy would be shown photos taken by the CIA's U-2 spy planes, confirming the presence of Soviet nuclear warheads in Cuba.

"The Baron" also facilitated the first meeting between the Oswalds and Ruth Paine, a housewife with powerful connections to the military-industrial complex. George de Mohrenschildt introduced Paine to Marina Oswald at a party he arranged in February of 1963. Two weeks later, Marina Oswald would move in with Ruth Paine at her home in Irving, a suburb of Dallas, while Lee Oswald went to look for work in New Orleans. Ruth's husband, Michael, worked as a research engineer for Bell Helicopter, a defense contractor in Fort Worth. Thirty years after the Kennedy assassination, it was discovered that Michael Paine's stepfather, Arthur Young, was actually the inventor of the Bell Helicopter, connecting him deeply with the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about.

Michael Paine's mother was Ruth Forbes Paine Young, who came from the aristocratic Forbes family of Boston and was friends with Mary Bancroft, a World War II-era spy who became CIA director Allen Dulles's mistress in Switzerland. When Michael Paine was testifying to the Warren Commission, Allen Dulles asked him, "Is this Mr. Young your stepfather?" When Paine confirmed that fact, Dulles remained quiet, allowing other Commissioners to ask their questions. Dulles knew that any follow-up questions he asked of Paine might lead to public knowledge of his intimate family connections with a main benefactor of the president's accused assassin.

The Paine family's CIA connections run even deeper. After the passage of the JFK Records Act in 1992, declassified documents showed Paine's older sister, Sylvia Hyde Hoke, was listed as a CIA employee in the 1961 issue of the city directory for Falls Church, Virginia. In her testimony to the Warren Commission, Ruth Paine very modestly described her father, William Avery Hyde, as an insurance underwriter who "writes the fine print." But after the publication of the Warren Report in October of 1964, William Avery Hyde received a 3-year contract from the State Department's US Agency for International Development (USAID) as the regional insurance adviser for all of Latin America, filing reports from Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador and Panama. Ohio governor John Gilligan (father of current Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius) was administrator of USAID from 1977 to 1979, and described its role as a proxy agency for the CIA.

"At one time, many AID field offices were infiltrated from top to bottom with CIA people. It was pretty well known in the agency who they were and what they were up to … The idea was to plant operatives in every kind of activity we had overseas, government, volunteer, religious, every kind." –

John Gilligan

The Warren Commission shows that Ruth Paine called the Texas School Book Depository on October 14, 1963 about possible job openings for Lee Oswald, after a neighbor suggested the idea. Oswald was interviewed for a part-time job there on the 15th, and started work on the 16th, where he would be paid $208.82 a month. However, the commission also reveals that Paine lied under oath about being contacted by the Texas Employment Commission on October 15th about a far more lucrative full-time job for Oswald at Trans-Texas Airways as a cargo handler, where he would be paid $310 a month. In just a few exchanges with Warren Commission lawyer Albert Jenner, Paine went from denying any knowledge of the job offer, to vaguely remembering it, to hearing about the job from Lee Oswald himself.

Just as the Paine family became the prime sponsors of the Oswalds, the deal de Mohrenschildt asked J. Walton Moore to broker with the Haitian government came through. "The Baron" left Dallas for Haiti in April of 1963, while briefly stopping in Washington to meet with CIA and US Army intelligence to enhance his Haitian connections. De Mohrenschildt was awarded a $285,000 contract to conduct geological surveys for the notoriously corrupt and brutal Duvalier regime. No survey was done, but de Mohrenschildt still deposited $200,000 in his Port-au-Prince bank account that year. In his final interview in 1977, "The Baron" said, "I never would have contacted Oswald in a million years if Moore had not sanctioned it." Oddly enough, just three hours after that interview, George de Mohrenschildt was dead of an apparent self-inflicted shotgun blast.

FBI director J. Edgar Hoover noticed how suspicious this all looked and warned the Warren Commission against publicizing the connection. On October 23, 1964, Warren Commission chief counsel J. Lee Rankin received a sternly-worded letter from Hoover, warning him not to release the FBI's "reports and memoranda dealing with Michael and Ruth Paine and George and Jeanne de Mohrenschildt ... Making the contents available to the public could cause serious repercussions to the commission."

11. Oswald was seen in Dallas with a CIA covert ops chief two months before the assassination

Antonio Veciana, leader of the CIA-funded paramilitary group Alpha 66 recalled seeing a thin, pale man with wavy hair in a downtown Dallas office building conversing with the CIA contact he knew as "Maurice Bishop." Bishop was actually David Atlee Phillips, then the chief of covert operations for the CIA's Mexico City branch (and head of the DRE in New Orleans, as mentioned earlier). Veciana finally opened up about this Oswald sighting in 1975 to Gaeton Fonzi, an investigator with the HSCA.

According to Veciana, he saw "Bishop" talking to a young man with a pale complexion in early September of 1963, whom he would later recognize, after November 22, as Lee Harvey Oswald. When Veciana walked into the lobby to meet with Bishop, he noticed the two quickly exchanged a few more words before Oswald left, and Bishop initiated a conversation with Veciana about Alpha 66, not once mentioning the man with whom he had just been speaking. And Veciana didn't ask.

Before Veciana was set to testify to the HSCA about the Oswald sighting, the FBI warned him three separate times that he would be killed. Veciana was shot in the head by an unknown would-be assassin and recovered, but the FBI refused to investigate, instead deferring to an uncooperative Miami police department.

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12. The CIA revealed their hand in killing JFK through the use of Oswald doubles

Bear with me, because it's about to get really confusing. The pieces to this jigsaw puzzle are enough to fill an airplane hangar. The CIA wanted it that way. In a nutshell, there were multiple smoke-and-mirror maneuvers to make Lee Harvey Oswald a scapegoat tied to all the right people, in order to instigate the war the military-industrial complex wanted all along. Smoking gun evidence abounds in the following stories that show the CIA's fingerprints all over the Kennedy assassination, putting Oswald in several locations at the same time and blowing their cover.

The Warren Commission alleges Oswald was in Mexico City from September 27 to October 2 of 1963 at the Soviet and Cuban embassies, both of which were under constant CIA surveillance. The CIA had also tapped phones at both embassies. According to the CIA's version of the tale, on one call placed to the Soviet embassy on October 1st translated from Russian into English, a man who called himself "Oswald" spoke broken Russian and asked to speak with Valery Vladimirovich Kostikov regarding a telegram to Washington.

Kostikov was the KGB's chief assassinations expert in the Western Hemisphere, and was incredibly prominent in US intelligence circles, just as Osama bin Laden was prominent in those same circles in the late 1990s. This means that if the "Oswald" who made the call actually was the president's accused assassin, this would have deeply implicated the Soviet Union in the plot to kill Kennedy. However, the caller was an impostor, since the real Lee Harvey Oswald lived in Minsk for two years and was fluent in Russian, whereas this caller spoke broken Russian.

The October 9 cable from the CIA's Mexico City bureau to the headquarters in Langley not only described the suspicious call to Kostikov, but also mentioned photos taken of a 6-foot-tall, 35-year-old balding male with an athletic build entering and leaving the Soviet embassy on October 1. Langley cabled Mexico City on October 10, describing the Lee Harvey Oswald who defected to the USSR in 1959 as a five-foot-ten, 24-year-old man who weighed 165 pounds, with wavy light brown hair. Whoever it was entering the Soviet embassy that day, it definitely wasn't Oswald.

On October 10, the CIA cabled the FBI, the State Department, and the Navy about the information received from Mexico City the day before. But the CIA made no mention at all of Oswald's reference to Kostikov, despite the prominence of the name. In "JFK and the Unspeakable," Jim Douglass argues that the CIA kept this highly-sensitive information from other agencies until Oswald, through his multiple CIA connections in Dallas and elsewhere, could be secured in a location directly above Dealey Plaza on November 22.

Another story of dueling Oswald appearances is documented in "JFK and the Unspeakable." Ralph Leon Yates, a refrigeration mechanic for the Texas Butcher Supply Company in Dallas, picked up a hitchhiker while taking the Beckley Avenue entrance to the R.L. Thornton Expressway at 10:30 AM, on the morning of Wednesday, November 20, 1963. In one of several statements to the FBI, Yates said the man he picked up was carrying a brown paper package roughly 4 feet long. When he told the man he could put the package in the back of his truck, the hitchhiker said the package contained curtain rods, which he preferred to carry himself in the cab. In testimonies following the assassination of Kennedy, Yates told the FBI the man looked almost identical to Lee Harvey Oswald.

While making small talk with the hitchhiker, Yates mentioned that people in the city were excited about Kennedy's upcoming visit. According to the FBI's citation of Yates's story, the hitchhiker suddenly became a fountain of conversation, asking Yates if he thought someone was capable of assassinating the president. After Yates said he believed it could be done, the hitchhiker then asked if it could be done from the top of a building or out of a window, high up. Yates again answered that he thought it was possible if the shooter had a good rifle with a scope.

The notes from the FBI's conversation with Yates detailed the rest of the odd conversation, during which the hitchhiker suddenly pulled out a picture of a man with a rifle, asking Yates if he thought the president could be killed with a gun like that one. Yates said he was driving and didn't look at the picture, but answered yes. Then the mysterious rider asked Yates if he knew the president's route. Yates answered he didn't, but knew that the route was in the paper. Then the hitchhiker asked Yates if he thought the route might be changed at the last minute. Yates told him no, unless there were safety concerns.

The hitchhiker asked Yates to drop him off on Houston Street, and Yates took him to the Elm and Houston intersection. Yates told the FBI the last he saw of the man was as he walked across Elm Street, in the direction of the Texas School Book Depository. After the odd encounter, Yates told co-worker Dempsey Jones about the hitchhiker. The FBI interviewed Jones for confirmation, and Jones told investigators that before the assassination happened, Ralph Yates definitely described picking up a hitchhiker "who discussed the fact with him that one could be in a building and shoot the president as he, the president, passed by."

Normally, this would add up to an open-shut case fingering Oswald as the assassin. The highway entrance on Beckley where Yates picked up the hitchhiker was on the same street as Oswald's rooming house on 1026 North Beckley. Yates dropped the hitchhiker off close to the place where Oswald worked. The hitchhiker fit Oswald's physical description, and the entire conversation reeked of an apparent assassination plot. But this apparent Oswald sighting directly conflicted with the Oswald sighting the Warren Commission decided to include in their final report.

Buell Wesley Frazier, one of Lee Harvey Oswald's co-workers at the Texas School Book Depository, testified to the Warren Commission that Oswald asked to ride home with him to Irving on the afternoon of Thursday, November 21, 1963. When Frazier asked Oswald why he wanted to ride with him on Thursday instead of Friday, when he stayed with his wife, Marina and their two daughters at Ruth Paine's house on the weekend, Oswald said, "I'm going home to get some curtain rods … [to] put in an apartment."

Frazier and his sister, Linnie Mae Randle, testified that Oswald left his house with a 2-foot-long brown package the following morning, and explained that the package contained curtain rods when he was asked about it. The Warren Commission therefore decided that the package, though far too small to carry a rifle, even when broken down, was the rifle Oswald allegedly smuggled into the Texas School Book Depository on the day of the assassination.

The FBI called Ralph Leon Yates back in to re-tell the story of picking up the hitchhiker on December 10, 1963, and January 3 and January 4, 1964, this time with a polygraph, or lie detector test. Each time, the polygraph test results came back "inconclusive," meaning that while Yates's story wasn't a lie, the FBI wasn't satisfied with the final result. The FBI recommended Yates immediately go to Woodlawn Hospital (Dallas's most prominent mental institution). They didn't have him committed, but rather made the recommendation, and Yates drove himself there, accompanied by his wife, Dorothy. After an episode in which Yates briefly escaped from Woodlawn, he was committed to Terrell State Hospital east of Dallas, where he lived for 8 years. He then spent a year and a half at the Veterans Hospital in Waco, and then in Rusk State Hospital for the last 18 months of his life.

Yates, drifting from institution to institution, never worked again, and his family was left impoverished. He died of congestive heart failure at age 35. Yet the whole time, Yates insisted that this minor story of picking up one unnamed hitchhiker on a Fall day was the reason the president was killed, and refused to recant it. Ralph Yates's wife, Dorothy, remembered a very puzzling statement from the FBI after Yates' final polygraph test.

"They told me that he was telling the truth [according to the polygraph], but that basically he had convinced himself that he was telling the truth. So that's how it came out. He strongly believed it, so it came out that way."

Jim Douglass theorizes in "JFK and the Unspeakable" that because Yates's alleged Oswald sighting happened during a time when the real Oswald was already at work, proving that the Oswald Yates picked up was a double, it became necessary for the US government to throw Ralph Yates under the bus. Yates's story, which he corroborated to both his wife and his co-worker, directly conflicted with the official story the government wanted the Warren Commission to tell. For the tenuous narrative to seem legitimate, Yates had to be discredited.

Still with me? Here's where it gets weird.

Air Force Sergeant Robert Vinson was an accidental witness to an Oswald double's secret flight out of Dallas on the day of the shooting. Vinson was upset that despite his diligent work for NORAD (North American Air Defense Command) at Ent Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, he hadn't been rewarded with a promotion, so he took a spontaneous flight to Washington DC on November 20, 1963, to demand an answer from his superiors.

On November 21, Sergeant Vinson met with a Colonel Chapman in the basement of the US Capitol about his promotion. During their meeting, Vinson remembered Col. Chapman, a liaison officer between Congress and the Pentagon, taking a call and telling the person on the other line that he "would highly recommend the president not go to Dallas, Texas, on Friday because there had been something reported." After Chapman finished the call, he assured Vinson his promotion would be considered.

On the morning of November 22, Vinson went to Andrews Air Force Base with the intent of coming back home to Colorado Springs by nightfall. He gave an airman at the check-in counter his name and serial number, asking to be alerted when the next plane bound for the area would be departing, "if anything should come through that you don't have a notice on." Roughly 15 minutes later, Vinson was paged to the hangar, where he boarded a C54 plane that bore no markings or serial numbers other than a strange brown logo on its tail, of an egg-shaped earth crisscrossed with grid lines.

After boarding the empty plane, Vinson noticed two men in olive drab overalls board the plane and close the cockpit door without even saying a word to Vinson. Sergeant Vinson found it odd that he wasn't asked to sign a flight manifest, as he had always done when riding Air Force planes. A little after the C54 took off, an unemotional voice announced over the plane's intercom system, "The president was shot at 12:29."

The C54 headed due South, and after another few hours, Vinson watched the Dallas skyline approach through the window around roughly 3:30 Central. Once the C54 landed in Dallas, the pilot emerged from the cockpit and opened the passenger door, whereupon two men in off-white construction overalls quickly boarded, after running there from a Jeep that was already backing away from the site. Sgt. Vinson recalled one of the men was between 6' and 6'1", looked Cuban, and weighed between 180 and 190 pounds. A shorter Caucasian man also boarded, whom Vinson estimated was between 5'7" and 5'9" and weighed between 150 and 160 pounds. The plane took off and headed West without anyone else on the plane saying a word to Vinson. Sgt. Vinson figured the silence of the crew was part of the mission the crew was on, and kept quiet during the flight.

When the plane landed again around sunset, Vinson approached a guard shack and asked an air policeman where he was. The AP told him he was at the Roswell Air Force Base in New Mexico. Vinson was trying to get downtown so he could take a bus back home, but the AP informed him the base was locked down and nobody could get in or out. Vinson thought this was especially strange, given that his plane had just landed with no interference.

By November 23, Robert Vinson was back home with his wife Roberta, watching the news on the assassination that evening, after telling her about his odd flight home. When Lee Harvey Oswald's face appeared on the news, Robert said, "That guy looks just like the little guy who was on the airplane."

"Are you nuts?" Roberta asked. "It couldn't be him. He's in jail."

"I swear that's the little guy who got on the plane," Vinson insisted.

"Well, keep quiet about it," Roberta said.

After Jack Ruby murdered Oswald, Vinson vowed to keep quiet about what he saw. But he had still given his name and serial number to the airman at the Andrews Air Force Base check-in counter, and by Spring of 1964, when Vinson had been promoted to technical sergeant, federal authorities had tracked him down. Neighbors told the Vinson family that the FBI was interviewing residents about them, specifically about the Vinsons' conversation topics in recent months. Vinson's commanding officer made him sign a secrecy statement, and Roberta, for the first time as an Air Force wife, had to fill out a personal history form and sign an additional secrecy statement.

In November of 1964, Vinson was ordered to go to Washington and call a number for further instructions upon landing. After making the call, Vinson was told he would be spending the better part of a week at CIA headquarters in Langley, where he would soon undergo multiple physical and psychological tests. At the end of the fifth day, Vinson was interviewed by a semi-circle of men shrouded in darkness, who offered Vinson a job with the CIA. When Vinson refused, they offered him lucrative bribes, which he also declined. Vinson went back home to Colorado Springs, until he was contacted again three months later.

This time, the Air Force had Vinson report to a telephone number after landing in Las Vegas. Vinson learned the Air Force had assigned him to the CIA's top-secret Blackbird SR 71 spy plane in the Nellis Mountains some 40 miles Northwest of Las Vegas. The base was renamed Site 51 after being contaminated by radiation from nearby nuclear testing sites, and focused on experimental aircraft resembling saucers. Vinson later learned that similar flying saucer experiments were being conducted at the Roswell Air Force Base where the C54 had landed on the day of Kennedy's assassination. Local lore about aliens was seen as convenient cover for the CIA's top-secret projects.

Robert Vinson spent the last year and a half of his Air Force enlistment as the administrative supervisor for base supply at Site 51. The CIA supplemented Vinson's Air Force income with monthly cash payments, which both Vinson and his wife suspected was the agency buying their silence about what Sgt. Vinson saw when he boarded the wrong plane on November 22, 1963. When Vinson asked an Air Force sergeant at Site 51 about the origin of a rust-colored egg-shaped Earth logo on the tail of a C54 landing at Site 51, the sergeant said, "CIA."

Vinson kept quiet for 20 years as he and his wife quietly lived and worked in Wichita, Kansas. In 1976, Robert Vinson told a lawyer friend about the secret he had been keeping, who then told Vinson, "Don't tell a soul. For your own safety." Vinson followed his friend's advice until the passage of the JFK Records Act in 1992, and subsequently went on Wichita's KAKE-TV Channel 10 to tell the story to Larry Hatteberg. His story was so popular with viewers that the interview was re-broadcasted several more times. Vinson's story of watching the CIA fly an Oswald double out of Dallas and the subsequent purchasing of his silence and complicity has since been chronicled in the book "Flight From Dallas" by Wichita civil liberties attorney James Johnston and journalist Jon Roe.

While there's not enough space to get into it here, the testimonies of Dallas mayor Wes Wise, auto mechanic T.F. White, concession stand operator Butch Burroughs, and hobby shop owner Bernard Haire, along with the stories of Sergeant Robert Vinson and Ralph Leon Yates, all prove the sightings of more than one "Oswald" seen in different places at the same time. This is the biggest indicator of the CIA failing in an attempt to force a particular narrative around a particular person, inadvertently drawing more attention to themselves as a result.

13. The Warren Commission Report was a cover-up

Even though the Warren Commission was investigating the alleged assassin of the president who had extensive knowledge of top-secret military intelligence programs, pertinent questions were noticeably absent from the panel.

From September 1957 to November 1958, Oswald was a radar operator for the Marines at the Atsugi Air Force Base in Japan. The base was also the CIA's main base of operations in the Far East, one of just two bases where top-secret U-2 spy planes took off on missions over China and the Soviet Union. Oswald had a "crypto" security clearance, which is higher than top-secret, giving him license to regularly listen to radio communications from U-2 flights.

Former Marine Corps lieutenant John Donovan told the Warren Commission that Oswald "had the access to the location of all bases in the West Coast area, strength of all squadrons, number and type of aircraft in a squadron, who was the commanding officer, the authentication code of entering and exiting the ADIZ, which stands for the Air Defense Identification Zone. He knew the range of our radar. He knew the range of our radio. And he knew the range of the surrounding units' radio and radar."

As Jim Douglass would write in "JFK and the Unspeakable," Donovan was dumbfounded that the Warren Commission omitted all questions related to Oswald's work with the top-secret U-2 planes before defecting to the Soviet Union. After his questioning, Donovan asked a Warren Commission lawyer, "Don't you want to know anything about the U-2?" The lawyer responded, "We asked you exactly what we wanted to know from you and we asked you everything we wanted and that is all. If there is anything else we want to ask you, we will." When Donovan asked another witness to Oswald's work with the U-2 if he was asked anything about it, he said, "No, not a thing."

Given the obvious omission of critical questions about the alleged assassin of the president and turncoat's knowledge of top-secret US military operations and programs, and the CIA's flubbed attempt to tie that alleged assassin to Cold War opponents in elaborate smoke-and-mirror games, the Warren Commission's ruling that Oswald acted alone has to be taken with a grain of salt.

According to Michael Beschloss, editor of the now declassified Johnson Tapes, CIA director John McCone briefed LBJ at 9:20 AM the day after the assassination. McCone spoke about "information on foreign connections to the alleged assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, which suggested to LBJ that Kennedy may have been murdered by an international conspiracy." At 10:01 that same morning, FBI director J. Edgar Hoover called the newly sworn-in president, where they had this exchange:

LBJ: "Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?"Hoover: "No, that's one angle that's very confusing, for this reason – we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald's name. The picture and the tape do not correspond to the man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there."

LBJ suspected that the assassination was not carried out by the USSR and Cuba with the help of Oswald as the CIA suggested. In fact, the conversation between Hoover and LBJ had the implication that it may have been facilitated by the CIA itself, given their mishap in Mexico City that led to dubious Oswald sightings.

LBJ knew, given the evidence of Oswald impostors in Mexico City, which puzzled even J. Edgar Hoover, the first option was most likely implausible. The second option meant opening up a whole new can of worms the nation wasn't prepared to face, so the only feasible option was for the Warren Report to obscure the truth, label Oswald a lone wolf assassin, and call it a day.

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14. JFK's assassination was supposed to happen in Chicago, not Dallas

Chicago was originally where Kennedy was to be assassinated. Had the plan succeeded, Thomas Arthur Vallee would have been the famous alleged assassin whose name would be remembered forever, rather than Lee Harvey Oswald.

On November 2, 1963, Kennedy was set to appear at the Army/Air Force football game in Chicago at 11:40 a.m. At the Chicago Secret Service Bureau, Special Agent in Charge Maurice Martineau informed agents about reports of assassins on October 30. Martineau was repeating a tip from the FBI, in which an informant identifying as "Lee" talked about a four-man sniper team of "rightwing para-military fanatics" with high-powered rifles, who would shoot at Kennedy as his motorcade was driving from O'Hare down the Northwest Expressway, around a slow loop off the highway exit of what is now ironically known as the JFK Expressway.

The tip from "Lee" wasn't the only one. A landlady at a Northside boarding house called the FBI after she saw four men check into the house, each with a scoped rifle, and carrying a map of Kennedy's motorcade route. The FBI then called the Secret Service office in Chicago, who searched for the riflemen. Two of the would-be assassins were found and detained for several hours for questioning, while the other two got away. The names of the two would-be presidential assassins are still unknown to this day, as the Department of the Treasury, which oversees the Secret Service, mysteriouslydestroyed all records of the Chicago plot when the Assassinations Records and Review Board asked for them in 1995, more than three decades after the incident.

In the meantime, the Secret Service had to respond to another tip about an ex-Marine named Thomas Arthur Vallee, who had been reportedly talking about shooting the president when he came to Chicago. Vallee was a paranoid schizophrenic, a disaffiliated member of the famously right-wing, anti-Communist John Birch society, collected guns, and was described as a loner. As a Marine in the Korean War, Vallee was injured by a mortar blast, was subsequently committed to several mental institutions, and received full disability benefits from the Veterans Administration. Like Oswald the
expat turncoat, Vallee the mentally disabled fit the preferred profile of the lone wolf presidential assassin.

Vallee's apartment was raided in his absence, and FBI agents found an M1 rifle, a carbine rifle, and 2500 rounds of ammunition. The Secret Service instructed Chicago Police to put 24-hour surveillance on Vallee and "get him off the street." Vallee was pulled over and arrested by CPD officers Daniel Groth and Peter Schurla on the morning of November 2, as his 1962 Ford Falcon made its way toward the expressway on Kennedy's motorcade route. The officers cited a missed turn signal as the result of the arrest. Upon seeing a hunting knife in the front seat of the Falcon, they charged Vallee with carrying a concealed weapon, and a search of his trunk yielded 300 rounds of ammunition.

Vallee's connections to US intelligence soon came out. His New York license plates read 31-10RF. NBC Chicago employee Luke Christopher Hester learned of the arrest and asked Hugh Larkin, his father-in-law, to have a background check done on the plates by his former colleagues in the NYPD. The plates came back "frozen," meaning that only US intelligence agencies could retrieve the classified information associated with Vallee's registration.

Officers Groth and Schurla went on to have prominent intelligence careers. Groth led the December 4, 1969, raid on Black Panther leaders Fred Hampton and Mark Clark, who were both assassinated by police. Hampton was just 21, and Clark was 22. The families of Hampton and Clark, as well as Black Panthers who survived the raid, would successfully sue Daniel Groth and local, state, and federal agencies in 1983 for a $1.85 million settlement. While under Oath, Groth admitted that J. Edgar Hoover's FBI specifically requested the raid on Hampton. Officer Schurla became a high-level intelligence officer at the Chicago police headquarters.

Like Oswald, Vallee also worked on the CIA's top-secret U-2 planes in Japan. Vallee told investigative journalist Edwin Black that his U-2 work was at Camp Otsu, but that he also helped the CIA train Cuban exiles to kill Fidel Castro at a CIA base in Levittown, Long Island. Oswald did similar work at a CIA training camp in Lake Pontchartrain, close to New Orleans. Vallee worked near a third floor window at IPP Litho-Plate, at 625 West Jackson Boulevard, directly above where the presidential motorcade would pass. Oswald worked on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, in front of where the Dallas motorcade would pass. It isn't hard to see how the CIA blazed a path for both men to be set up as scapegoats in their elaborate plot to assassinate JFK.

15. The real shooter in Dallas was on the grassy knoll, and carried a Secret Service badge

Ed Hoffman, a 27 year-old deaf-mute who prided himself on his acute sense of sight, took a detour from a scheduled visit to the dentist on the morning of November 22 to catch a glimpse of Kennedy. Hoffman inadvertently witnessed the shooter on the Grassy Knoll fire the fatal shot from his vantage point on the bridge just above the freeway on Kennedy's limousine route, and took note of the two getaway cars that transported the assassin and his assistant after the act – one was a white four-door, and the other was a light green Rambler station wagon.

Hoffman finally told his story, with the help of a sign language interpreter, to Jim Marrs in 1989 for his book "Crossfire."Hoffman had made many attempts to tell the FBI, going against the urging of his father and his uncle, who was a Dallas police officer, to keep quiet for his own safety. One such attempt ended in federal investigators offering Hoffman a bribe of $500 to keep quiet, which Hoffman refused. Next, agents paid a visit to Hoffman's father and interrogated him about his son's story. Wanting to protect his son's life, Frederick Hoffman would only say, "I don't know if Ed saw what he saw." FBI agents then manipulated their report to suggest that Hoffman's own father dismissed his son's story, in an effort to discredit critical evidence.

In "Crossfire," Hoffman described watching two men behind the wooden stockade fence at the top of the grassy knoll. One of them was a stocky man in a dark blue suit, which Hoffman called "the suit man." The other was standing by the railroad switch box, and was taller and thinner, wearing a railroad worker's clothes. Hoffman called him "the railroad man." Hoffman thought the pair were peculiar, seeing as they were clearly working together but dressed very differently.

According to Hoffman, the suit man would occasionally walk over to the railroad man and confer with him for a moment before going back to his original position. As the presidential limousine approached, Hoffman watched the suit man talk to the railroad man a final time before walking back to the fence, bending over, picking up an object, and looking back over the fence. When Hoffman saw a puff of smoke emerge from where the suit man was standing, he assumed it was a cigarette. But when the suit man turned, he was holding a rifle. The suit man ran to the railroad man and threw him the rifle.

The railroad man disassembled the rifle with a twist, put it in a railroad workers' bag, and ran north along the railroad tracks while the suit man strolled casually along the side of the fence. A police officer ran around the fence, pointing a revolver at the suit man, who held out his empty hands. The suit man then produced identification from his coat pocket, the officer lowered his gun, and the suit man blended into the crowd and walked over to the passenger door of the light green Rambler station wagon. The getaway car drove out of the parking lot on the North end of the Texas School Book Depository, and made a right on Houston Street. Hoffman then looked down at the splayed body of JFK in the back seat of the presidential car as it passed directly below him, and noticed a gaping wound in the president's right rear skull, which he said resembled bloody Jello.

The Dallas police officer Hoffman saw approach the suit man at the wooden fence after the shooting was Joe Marshall Smith, who would tell his superiors he immediately smelled gunpowder near the fence. Smith later told the Warren Commission that the man he approached had Secret Service credentials that looked real enough to satisfy him and the deputy sheriff who was with him. Smith would later recall that the man who produced those credentials wore a sports shirt and sports pants, had dirty fingernails, and hands like an auto mechanic. In a nutshell, he definitely didn't fit the bill of an actual Secret Service agent.

Gordon Arnold, a 22-year-old soldier in uniform, also witnessed a man behind the wooden fence with Secret Service credentials, right around the same time Officer Smith approached the fence, but just before the assassination. Arnold planned to film the president's arrival, and was walking toward the railroad bridge to have an ideal vantage point. When walking behind the wooden fence, he described seeing a man in a civilian suit wearing a sidearm standing guard, brandishing a Secret Service badge, and telling him to leave the area. Arnold walked along the front side of the wooden fence, and paused to shoot his film.

In the book "Crossfire," Arnold recalled feeling the whiz of the bullet pass by his left ear, coming from the wooden fence just a few feet behind him. Arnold then heard the report of the rifle, and immediately hit the ground, having just crawled under live machine gun fire as part of the basic training he had recently completed. Arnold recalled hearing another whiz over his head, and another crack of a rifle report. He then remembered seeing a man standing over him, waving a long gun, acting hysterically, and demanding the film in his camera. When Arnold tossed it over to the gunman, the gunman removed the film from the camera and threw the camera back to Arnold. And just as Officer Smith said, Gordon attested that the man with the rifle had noticeably dirty hands.

Other witnesses described aggressive activity from men near the wooden fence. Jean Hill said men who identified themselves as Secret Service agents confiscated photos she took of the motorcade when she ran behind the fence at the top of the grassy knoll. Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzmantold the Warren Commission that he gave "one of the Secret Service men" a piece of the president's skull that he had found in the street. There is overwhelming evidence that men with Secret Service badges confiscated all evidence from nearby witnesses just before and after the shooting.

16. CIA employee Sidney Gottlieb made Secret Service credentials

In 2007, the CIA finally declassified its "Family Jewels"report as the result of a Freedom of Information Act request that had been in limbo for 15 years. A damning 1973 memo from Sidney Gottlieb, chief of the CIA's Technical Services Division, is buried in the 702-page document. In the memo, Gottlieb talks about how he "furnished this [Secret] Service" with "gate passes, security passes, passes for presidential campaign, emblems for presidential vehicles; a secure ID photo system." However, Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden, who was part of the investigation into the Chicago assassination plot, stated that when Secret Service books were all replaced in January of 1964, it was done by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. The Department of the Treasury has jurisdiction over both the Secret Service and the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, not the CIA, meaning that Gottlieb's orders were for an unknown covert purpose rather than providing standard identification for Secret Service agents.

Thus, the complex and intricate plot to kill Kennedy was carried out by multiple alphabet agencies, acting on what they believed were righteous motives to remove an obstructionist president in the way of a war they felt had to be waged. But the suggestion that a government agency would covertly kill its own president to advance a cause isn't that radical. Our CIA has been behind the assassinations of world leaders both before and after the Kennedy assassination, from Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran in 1953, to Salvador Allende in Chile in 1973. Just as with JFK's assassination in 1963, our runaway intelligence agencies have repeatedly shown they won't let any elected leader stand in the way of their goals.

On December 22, 1963, exactly one month after the assassination, former president Harry Truman published aprecisely worded op-ed in the Washington Post about the need to rein in the same agency he created with the stroke of his pen after World War II. He wrote:

"For some time I have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas ... There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it." -

Harry S. Truman

Three weeks before his op-ed was published, which was met with absolute silence from the media, Truman had written more urgently-worded notes that are still preserved in the Truman Library:

"[The CIA] was intended merely as a center for keeping the president informed on what was going on in the world at large and the United States and its dependencies in particular … it should not be an agency to initiate policy or to act as a spy organization. That was never the intention when it was organized."

The recent NSA leaks by Edward Snowden, and our government's brutal response to his attempt at transparency, give just an inkling of how far our government is willing to in lying to the public and suppressing the truth. In the aftermath of Snowden's revelations, some have suggested that we repeal the Patriot Act. But real justice for Kennedy and the countless other victims of the massive intelligence and military apparatus of the US government can only come about by repealing Truman's National Security Act of 1945, which created the CIA and the NSA. And if we don't push for it using all the earth-shattering new knowledge that people like Jim Douglass and Ed Snowden have armed us with, this same specter will continue to haunt all future presidencies to come

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/20557-16-mind-blowing-facts-about-who-really-killed-jfk

SA210

11-22-2013, 03:38 PM

Zombie Americans believe Lee Harvey Oswald SHOT JESUS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyQ2JnCdSk4&feature=youtu.be

SA210

11-22-2013, 04:01 PM

"Cops start a fight at JFK 50th memorial"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y88Mpm9vDV8&feature=youtu.be&a

boutons_deux

11-22-2013, 04:11 PM

today is City of Hate's first commemoration of JFK's assassination.

podunk Confederate racist redneck Dallas was a true City of Hate up to then and probably for years to come.

AntiChrist

11-22-2013, 06:12 PM

"Cops start a fight at JFK 50th memorial"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y88Mpm9vDV8&feature=youtu.be&a

There's no fight in this video.

SA210

11-22-2013, 08:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKLOg7lBo_0

My Space

11-22-2013, 10:50 PM

mouse was right boutons_deux is God of researching a subject! :toast

My Space

11-22-2013, 10:51 PM

Nbadan are you a writer?

My Space

11-22-2013, 10:52 PM

The First interrogation..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

:tu

George W Bush

11-22-2013, 11:07 PM

My daddy once told me he did it when he was with the CIA with some guy named Grassy Noles.

I promised to keep it a secret.

I kept my promise since this forum is dead and nobody reads it anymore.

I'm George W Bush and I approve this conspiracy :tu

Nbadan

11-23-2013, 04:21 PM

My daddy once told me he did it when he was with the CIA with some guy named Grassy Noles.

I promised to keep it a secret.

I kept my promise since this forum is dead and nobody reads it anymore.

There are currently 97 users browsing this forum. (2 members & 95 guests)

:lol

Nbadan

11-23-2013, 04:22 PM

I post later..

There are currently 105 users browsing this forum. (2 members & 103 guests)

:lol

George W Bush

11-23-2013, 10:22 PM

There are currently 97 users browsing this forum. (2 members & 95 guests)

:lol

That's just my special NSA team, Lieutenant NbaDan.

Loved you in Forest Gump :tu

SA210

11-24-2013, 02:03 PM

"To anyone who believes that Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated John. F. Kennedy and/or that there was no conspiracy involved in his assassination, I implore you to watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJFzhbNd1EI) amazing new video from James Corbett. It's only a few minutes long. To those who do know the truth, you should also watch this. To anyone interested in learning the facts and truths about these topics, I suggest viewing the following link:

Exposed: The Facts and Truths Surrounding the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy

http://tradeoutthishatewithlove.wordpress.com/2013/11/17/exposed-the-facts-and-truths-about-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/"

JFK: A Conspiracy Theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJFzhbNd1EI

Twisted_Dawg

11-24-2013, 08:33 PM

These are two of the best JFK assassination forums where the serious researchers post:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showforum=126

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?4-JFK-Assassination

The Lance forum is still off line due to technical problems

Nbadan

11-26-2013, 03:16 PM

These are two of the best JFK assassination forums where the serious researchers post:

thanks......bottom line on the Kennedy assassination is this....a lot of people wanted Kennedy gone.. rouge elements within the CIA that had friends captured and killed in the Bay of Pigs (most likely the shooters if in fact there was a bigger conspiracy)...the MIC, which was getting chopped off at the knees because they didn't get their war with Castro..and it looks like Kennedy was gonna let Vietnam go red too...besides, in order to pull of a conspiracy like the assassination of a sitting President you would have to have high level people in the military involved...at least some...the Secret Service....even the House Select Committee ruled that the SS didn't do its job right in protecting the President...Kennedy's motorcade should never had made the turn to Elm and been near the TBD...there should not have been open windows along the route...there should have been a SS agent sitting directly behind Kennedy that was left behind at the airport...

Nbadan

11-26-2013, 03:22 PM

That's the making of a good plan....every element does it's small job' so that no one element know too much about the plan or its main conspirators...

Twisted_Dawg

11-26-2013, 07:50 PM

True, JFK made many enemies, but what politician doesn't? But in my view there had to be one tripping point to lite the assassination fuse, and one man to plan the assassination. That tripping point was when the CIA learned of Kennedy's back channel peace overtures to the Soviets and to Castro coming on the heels of Kennedy allowing Castro to stay in power and his hesitancy on getting involved in Vietnam. I think when CIA counter intel chief James Angelton discovered Kennedy's back channel peace overtures, Angelton thought he finally caught that mole he had sought for so long. John Newman, a former career intelligence man, believes Angelton was the general manager of the assassination and also was brilliantly deviant enough to insert the WW III virus in the assassination. Here is a summary:

John Newman, Oswald and the CIA (2008)

It is now apparent that the World War III pretext for a national security cover-up was built into the fabric of the plot to assassinate President Kennedy. The plot required that Oswald be maneuvered into place in Mexico City and his activities there carefully monitored, controlled, and, if necessary, embellished and choreographed. the plot required that, prior to 22 November, Oswald's profile at CIA HQS and the Mexico station be lowered; his 201 file had to be manipulated and restricted from incoming traffic on his Cuban activities. The plot required that, when the story from Mexico City arrived at HQS, its significance would not be understood by those responsible for reacting to it. Finally, the plot required that, on 22 November, Oswald's CIA files would establish his connection to Castro and the Kremlin.

The person who designed this plot had to have access to all of the information on Oswald at CIA HQS. The person who designed this plot had to have the authority to alter how information on Oswald was kept at CIA HQS. The person who designed this plot had the authority to alter how information on Oswald was kept at CIA HQS. The person who designed this plot had to have access to project TUMBLEWEED, the sensitive joint agency operation against the KGB assassin, Valery Kosikov. The person who designed this plot had the authority to instigate a counterintelligence operation in the Cuban affairs staff (SAS) at CIA HQS. In my view, there is only one person whose hands fit into these gloves: James Jesus Angleton, Chief of CIA's Counterintelligence Staff.

Angleton and his molehunters had always held Oswald's files very close to the vest - from the time of the young Marine's defection in October 1959 and his offer to provide classified radar information to the Soviets. That offer had lit up the counterintelligence circuits in Washington, D.C. like a Christmas tree. Angleton was the only person who knew - except for perhaps one of his direct subordinates - both the Cuban and Soviet parts of Oswald's story. He was the only one in the Counterintelligence Staff with enough authority to instigate a counterintelligence operation in the SAS against the FPCC.

In my view, whoever Oswald's direct handler or handlers were, we must now seriously consider the possibility that Angleton was probably their general manager. No one else in the Agency had the access, the authority, and the diabolically ingenious mind to manage this sophisticated plot. No one else had the means necessary to plant the WWIII virus in Oswald's files and keep it dormant for six weeks until the president's assassination. Whoever those who were ultimately responsible for the decision to kill Kennedy were, their reach extended into the national intelligence apparatus to such a degree that they could call upon a person who knew its inner secrets and workings so well that he could design a fail safe mechanism into the fabric of the plot. The only person who could ensure that a national security cover-up of an apparent counterintelligence nightmare was the head of counterintelligence.

Nbadan

11-28-2013, 05:29 AM

JFK assassination: CIA and New York Times are still lying to us
Fifty years later, a complicit media still covers up for the security state. We need to reclaim our history
David Talbot

In the years following the Warren Report’s release, several of the commissioners and staff members distanced themselves from their own report and publicly criticized the manifold deceptions of the agencies on which they had relied, namely the FBI and CIA. Among those who suffered grave doubts was lawyer David Slawson, the man who had been the Warren Commission’s lead investigator into whether JFK was the victim of a conspiracy. In 1975 Slawson aired his criticisms to the New York Times, attacking the CIA for withholding vital information from the commission and calling for a new JFK investigation. Within days of the story breaking in the Times, Slawson received a strange and threatening phone call from James Angleton, the spectral CIA counterintelligence chief. Angleton – who had not only closely monitored Oswald for several years before Dallas, but later took charge of the agency’s investigation into the alleged assassin – adopted a decidedly sinister tone during his call with Slawson, making it clear to the lawyer that he would be wise to remain “a friend of the CIA.” Slawson and his wife were deeply unnerved by the call. He thought the message was clear: “Keep your mouth shut.”

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/06/the_jfk_assassination_we_still_dont_know_what_happ ened/

Twisted_Dawg

11-28-2013, 06:47 AM

After the assassination, CIA Director Helms appointed John Whitten to investigate the Agency's involvement. His initial reports were not favorable to the CIA so Angelton went to Helms and got Whitten taken off the project. Helms then appointed Angelton of all people to finish the investigation. Angelton conferred with William Sullivan of the FBI in giving scripted prepared ansers to the Warren Commission.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/SSangleton.htm

Keep in mind a member of the Warren Commission selected by LBJ was Alan Dulles, the former CIA director who was fired by Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs disaster.

Twisted_Dawg

11-28-2013, 06:51 AM

[QUOTE=Nbadan;6974992]JFK assassination: CIA and New York Times are still lying to us
Fifty years later, a complicit media still covers up for the security state. We need to reclaim our history
David Talbot

The New York Times and the rest of the mainstream media were all influenced and controlled by the CIA's Operation Mockingbird which targeted controlling the press.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmockingbird.htm

Twisted_Dawg

11-28-2013, 07:04 AM

RFK Jr just wrote an insightful piece for the 11.20.13 edition of the Rolling Stone in which he refutes the current revisionist attempt by the media to portray JFK as a war hawk. In reading the piece one part shockingly stood out. RFK mnetioned that Khrushchev was using a KGB agent to for to communicate with the Kennedy's and this KGB agent went to RFK house many times. Whoa! I wonder what Angelton et al thought of a KGB agent metting with RFK many times at RFK's house?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/john-f-kennedys-vision-of-peace-20131120

Khrushchev began an extraordinary secret correspondence with JFK. With the Berlin crisis moving toward nuclear Armageddon, Khrushchev turned to KGB agent Georgi Bolshakov, a top Soviet spy in Washington, to communicate directly with JFK. Bolshakov, to the horror of the U.S. State Department, was a friend of my parents and a frequent guest at our home. Bolshakov smuggled a letter, the first of 21 declassified in 1993, to JFK's press secretary, Pierre Salinger, in a folded newspaper. In it, Khrushchev expressed regret about Vienna and embraced JFK's proposal for a path to peace and disarmament.

Nbadan

11-29-2013, 09:34 PM

Mr. Talbot has worked for more than two years on a book that I believe will shake the nation's financial and political establishment to its core. Here are Mr. Talbot's words, outlining why:

.
..I think what we're going to show over the next few years is that Allen Welsh Dulles was much more centrally involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, and its cover-up, than Lee Harvey Oswald.

Fifty years later, it's finally time to give the man his rightful place in history. In his day, Allen Dulles was America's most legendary spymaster, the longest-serving director of the CIA. He took great pleasure in regaling the public about his espionage triumphs. But, for obvious reasons, he could never take credit for his biggest and boldest covert operation:

the killing of the President of the United States in broad daylight on the streets of an American city.

I hope that my forthcoming book, which will be titled "The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, JFK and the Epic Battle for America's Soul" will at long last give Mr. Dulles his due. As I say in my title of my remarks this morning, I believe Allen Dulles truly was the "Chairman of the Board of the Kennedy Assassination."

In September 1965, nearly two years after Kennedy was violently removed from office, Allen Dulles went for a stroll near his home in Georgetown with a young magazine editor named William Morris. The old spymaster, long since retired, struck Morris as an amiable, avuncular character until the name Kennedy suddenly came up in the conversation. Suddenly a dark cloud crossed the old man's brow.

"That little Kennedy," he spat out. "He thought he was a god."

Allen Dulles knew who the true overlords of American power were. (They were) men like him and his brother, not Jack and Bobby Kennedy. The Kennedys were mere upstarts in comparison to the Dulles family. The Dulles dynasty boasted diplomats and international bankers and three secretaries of state. The Kennedy clan, by comparison, was distinguished by saloon keepers and ward healers. When paterfamilias Joseph Kennedy was amassing his fortune as a movie mogul and stock gambler, Dulles and his older brother were running Wall Street from their perch at the world's largest law firm, Sullivan and Cromwell and creating a new global financial order.

During the Cold War, President Eisenhower outsourced the country's foreign policy to the Dulles Brothers, with Secretary of State John Foster Dulles serving as the architect of Washington's global crusade against communism, and Allen Dulles carrying out the darker chores of empire.

Soviet leader Nikita Krushchev who kept looking for a way out of the Cold War noose but found himself repeatedly checkmated by the Dulleses remarked at one point, "One shuddered at what great force was in the Dulles Brothers' hands."

The Dulles Brothers stood at the very apex of American power, straddling an elite network that connected Wall Street, Washington, big oil and international finance. John Foster Dulles was the ultimate counselor for that overworld that ruled the country's government and business, and his younger brother Allen was at privileged circles master of intrigue and subversion, its enforcer...

http://www.duq.edu/events/jfk/speakers

Mr. Talbot had a lot more to say about the Dulles Brothers, especially Allen Dulles as head of CIA. One of the most important things to remember, Dulles, even after he was out of office, continued to command the respect of people like James Jesus Angleton and Richard Helms, people he had promoted to their positions of power, and people who kept their knowledge of CIA assassination programs away from President Kennedy and the various government investigators who would later ask them about them.

Dulles and his brother are two of the main founders of the BFEE, a term Bartcop o denote the War Party affiliated with the right wing Wall Street crowd that infested Washington for much of the late 19th and 20th century. Allen Dulles was a good friend and business associate of Prescott Sheldon Bush, Sr.

During the Depression, they tried to overthrow FDR. Before and during World War II, they did business with Hitler. After the war, they imported NAZIs to help fight the commies and build up a case for the Military Industrial Complex. They've done a lot since, from Vietnam to Iraq.

mouse

11-30-2013, 12:58 AM

I wonder what Chump thinks really happened to JFK

Nbadan

11-30-2013, 02:06 AM

I wonder what Chump thinks really happened to JFK

Duh...he thinks the Warren Commission was right and in the Lone-nut theory..

mouse

11-30-2013, 03:17 AM

Duh...he thinks the Warren Commission was right and in the Lone-nut theory..

Now that confirms he's either very stubborn or a paid shill.

the video SA210 posted was good.

ChumpDumper

11-30-2013, 04:10 AM

Duh...he thinks the Warren Commission was right and in the Lone-nut theory..More plausible than the Dulles revenge theory tbh.

Nbadan

11-30-2013, 04:19 AM

More plausible than the Dulles revenge theory tbh.

Same old Chumpy trying to pigeon hole this to just Dulles....Dulles may have played a key part of a larger conspiracy if, in fact, there was a larger conspiracy...what he was doing on the Warren Commission is ridiculous....

lefty

11-30-2013, 04:29 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCY2UYLHG8

ChumpDumper

11-30-2013, 04:37 AM

Same old Chumpy trying to pigeon hole this to just Dulles....Dulles may have played a key part of a larger conspiracy if, in fact, there was a larger conspiracy...what he was doing on the Warren Commission is ridiculous....So you do embrace the Dulles revenge theory, in part or whole.

Yes or no?

mouse

11-30-2013, 04:44 AM

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mouse

12-03-2013, 03:55 AM

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Twisted_Dawg

12-04-2013, 11:21 PM

Nbadan

12-05-2013, 12:50 AM

And why is this important? Because it confirms that a CIA officer was also handling Oswald before the assassination.

If your really interested in Oswald's CIA connections there is a great online essay on the subject by film historian Joan Mellen...

Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?
by Joan Mellen

Professor Mellen does an outstanding job of helping us understand the Big Picture.....and while it ain't pretty......... we need to see it......

Drawing on what we know as certain, the Oswald who is recognizable to us was born in New Orleans, and seems rarely to have been deprived of the company of others. Certainly, he was not a loner in Dallas where he was offered the friendship of CIA asset and so-called oil geologist (he had no degree in the subject) George de Mohrenschildt. De Mohrenschildt reported to the Domestic Contact Service (00) in Dallas on Haitian matters, the existing record shows. The quintessential unreliable narrator, a year before his death, de Mohrenschildt targeted Haroldson Lafayette Hunt as the sponsor of the Kennedy assassination. Coincidentally, H. L. Hunt was unique among Texas oil men in being a lifelong antagonist of the CIA, as has been his son, Nelson Bunker Hunt. It was, perhaps, de Mohrenschildt’s final Agency assignment.

...

Almost from the moment of his arrival in New Orleans from Texas in April 1963, Oswald sought the acquaintance of CIA and FBI assets. He attempted to infiltrate anti-Castro groups. By the time he was arrested on Canal Street in August, he was so well acquainted with the FBI field office that he told the officer interviewing him, Lieutenant Francis Martello of New Orleans police intelligence, “Call the FBI. Tell them you have Lee Oswald in custody.” It was a moment that Martello neglected to describe to the Warren Commission which he held in utter contempt until the end of his life, as former police intelligence officer Robert Buras, working for the House Select Committee, and a long-time Martello acquaintance, told me

.....

Supporting the conclusion that the CIA was behind the Kennedy assassination is the fact that in New Orleans Oswald associated only with people with intelligence connections, beginning with Arnesto Rodriguez, an FBI informant with family members rooted in the CIA’s clandestine services. Rodriguez was one of FBI Special Agent Warren de Brueys’ informants. One day Oswald appeared at Rodriguez’s office at the International Trade Mart building at 124 Camp Street. He wanted to help the Cubans, Oswald said. He wanted to be part of the training camps. Rodriguez was suspicious. Who had sent Oswald to him? he wondered. How did Oswald know that there was “a training camp across the lake from us, north of Lake Pontchartrain?” It was top secret at the time, yet Oswald knew about it.

....

Pilot David Ferrie was a CIA asset whom Oswald knew from his youth in the Civil Air Patrol and with whom he renewed his acquaintance that summer. They were joined in their travels by Clay Shaw, a CIA operative whose activities were charted by at least five CIA components. The sources who observed Oswald with Shaw and Ferrie in those hamlets north of Baton Rouge are unimpeachable, and include Dr. Frank Silva, the medical director of the East Louisiana State Hospital at Jackson where Oswald applied for a job

...

its a great summary...and supported by Ex-CIA man James Wilcott who testified to Congress that Oswald was a CIA employee.

I'm not really surprised so few Americans know his story:

JAMES WILCOTT'S TESTIMONY

James B. Wilcott, a former CIA accountant, swore in a secret session of the House Select Committee on Assassinations that he was told by other CIA employees that Lee Harvey Oswald was paid by the CIA, and that money he himself had disbursed was for "Oswald or the Oswald project." The HSCA report indicated that other CIA employees discounted Wilcott's testimony, but none of their statements were included in the report. The document excerpted below was acquired by John Armstrong after his JFK Lancer NID97 presentation. Selected pages from the National Archives are presented graphically; the remainder, to preserve bandwidth, are excerpted typographically. A link to the complete text of Wilcott's testimony is provided near the bottom of this page.

EXECUTIVE SESSION

ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978

House of Representatives,

John F. Kennedy Subcommittee
of the Select Committee on
Assassinations,

Washington, D.C.

Nbadan

12-05-2013, 12:54 AM

The testimony of James Wilcotts

TESTIMONY OF JAMES B. WILCOTT, A FORMER EMPLOYEE
OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY:

Mr. Goldsmith. For the record, would you please state your name and address and occupation?

Mr. Wilcott. My name is James B. Wilcott. My address is 2761 Atlantic Street, in Concord, and my occupation is electronic technician.

< . . . . >

Mr. Goldsmith. And, Mr. Wilcott, is it true that you are a former employee with the CIA and that you are here today testifying voluntarily without a subpoena?

Mr. Wilcott. Yes.

Mr. Goldsmith. During what years did you work for the CIA?

Mr. Wilcott. I worked from the years, May, of 1957 to, April, of 1966.

Mr. Goldsmith. And in what general capacity did you work with the CIA?

Mr. Wilcott. All in the finance--in accounting all of the time.

<. . . .>

Mr. Goldsmith. Drawing your attention to the period immediately after the assassination of President Kennedy, at that time, did you come across any information concerning Lee Harvey Oswald's relationship with the CIA?

Mr. Wilcott. Yes, I did.

Mr. Goldsmith. And will you tell the Committee what that relationship was?

Mr. Wilcott. Well, it was my understanding that Lee Harvey Oswald was an employee of the agency and was an agent of the agency.

Mr. Goldsmith. What do you mean by the term "agent?"

Mr. Wilcott. That he was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work.

Mr. Goldsmith. How did this information concerning Oswald first come to your attention?

Mr. Wilcott. The first time I heard about Oswald being connected in any way with CIA was the day after the Kennedy assassination.

Mr. Goldsmith. And how did that come to your attention?

Mr. Wilcott. Well, I was on day duty for the station. It was a guard-type function at the station, which I worked for overtime. There was a lot of excitement going on at the station after the Kennedy assassination.
Towards the end of my tour of duty, I heard certain things about Oswald somehow being connected with the agency, and I didn't really believe this when I heard it, and I thought it was absurd. Then, as time went on, I began to hear more things in that line.

Mr. Goldsmith. I think we had better go over that one more time. When, exactly, was the very first time that you heard or came across information that Oswald was an agent?

Mr. Wilcott. I heard references to it the day after the assassination.

Mr. Goldsmith. And who made these references to Oswald being an agent of the CIA?

Mr. Wilcott. I can't remember the exact persons. There was talk about it going on at the station, and several months following at the station.

Mr. Goldsmith. How many people made this reference to Oswald being an agent of the CIA?

Mr. Wilcott. At least--there was at least six or seven people, specifically, who said that they either knew or believed Oswald to be an agent of the CIA.

Mr. Goldsmith. Was Jerry Fox one of the people that made this allegation?

Mr. Wilcott. To the best of my recollection, yes.

Mr. Goldsmith. And who is Jerry Fox?

Mr. Wilcott. Jerry Fox was a Case Officer for his branch, the Soviet Russia Branch, Station, who purchased information from the Soviets.

Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. Wilcott, did I ask you to prepare a list of CIA Case Officers working at the Station in 1963?

Mr. Wilcott. Yes, you did.

<. . . .>

Mr. Goldsmith. At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you discuss it with anyone?

Mr. Wilcott. Oh, yes. I discussed it with my friends and the people that I was associating with socially.

Mr. Goldsmith. Who were your friends that you discussed this with?

Mr. Wilcott. George Breen, Ed Luck, and .

Mr. Goldsmith. Who was George Breen?

Mr. Wilcott. George Breen was a person in Registry, who was my closest friend while I was in .

Mr. Goldsmith. Was he a CIA employee?

Mr. Wilcott. Yes, he was.

Mr. Goldsmith. And would he corroborate your observation that Oswald was an agent?

Mr. Wilcott. I don't know.

Mr. Goldsmith. At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you learn the name of Oswald's Case Officer at the CIA?

Mr. Wilcott. No.

Mr. Goldsmith. Were there any other times during your stay with the CIA at Station that you came across information that Oswald had been a CIA agent?

Mr. Wilcott. Yes.

Mr. Goldsmith. When was that?

Mr. Wilcott. The specific incident was soon after the Kennedy assassination, where an agent, a Case Officer--I am sure it was a Case Officer--came up to my window to draw money, and he specifically said in the conversation that ensued, he specifically said, "Well, Jim, the money that I drew the last couple of weeks ago or so was money" either for the Oswald project or for Oswald.

Mr. Goldsmith. Do you remember the name of this Case Officer?

Mr. Wilcott. No, I don't.

Mr Goldsmith. Do you remember when specifically this conversation took place?

Mr. Wilcott. Not specifically, only generally.

Mr. Goldsmith. How many months after the assassination was this?

Mr. Wilcott. I think it must have been two or three omths after the assassination.

Mr. Goldsmith. And do you remember were this conversation took place?

Mr. Wilcott. It was right at my window, my disbursing cage window.

Mr. Goldsmith. Did you discuss this information with anyone?

Mr. Wilcott. Oh, yes.

Mr. Goldsmith. With whom?

Mr. Wilcott. Certainly with George Breen, the circle of social friends that we had.

Mr. Goldsmith. How do you spell last name?

Mr. Wilcott. (spelling).

<. . . .>

Mr. Goldsmith. Did this Case Officer tell you what Oswald's cryptonym was?

Mr. Wilcott. Yes, he mentioned the cryptonym specifically under which the money was drawn.

Mr. Goldsmith. And what did he tell you the cryptonym was?

Mr. Wilcott. I cannot remember.

Mr. Goldsmith. What was your response to this revelation as to what Oswald's cryptonym was? Did you write it down or do anything?

Mr. Wilcott. No; I think that I looked through my advance book--and I had a book where the advances on project were run, and I leafed through them, and I must have at least leafed through them to see if what he said was true.

CONTINUED...

SOURCE w TESTIMONY: http://home.wi.rr.com/harveyandlee/Wilcott/Wilcott.htm

The House Select Committee found evidence for conspiracy in the assassination of President Kennedy and recommended to the Justice Department that they re-open the investigation. The incoming Reagan Department of Justice didn't bother.

Nbadan

12-05-2013, 01:00 AM

Fifty years after the murder of JFK an important confession has materialized. Antonio Veciana, has acknowledged that his CIA handler in 1963 was also the same man he saw meeting with Oswald in September 1963. And that man was David Atlee Phillips. Veciana was the leader of Alpha 66, a group of anti-Castro Cubans operating out of Miami and funded by the CIA. Veciana had testified before the House Select Committee on Assassinations in the 1970s and said his CIA handler was a man named Maurice Bishop, which was the alias used by David Atlee Phillips. This now confirms what most JFK researchers have believed for years. And why is this important? Because it confirms that a CIA officer was also handling Oswald before the assassination. Phillips himself once said the assassination was likely carried out be a group of CIA officers. And he was one of them.

http://www.ctka.net/2013/veciana.html

Many CIA employees came forward to attest that Oswald was CIA -- they were harassed/intimidated...and some near killed until they all shut up --

There were no shortage of people vin Washington who pretty much knew many of the names by the night of the assassination --

interlocking powerful coup --

No one was going to risk their own lives/families to try to OPENLY pursue it --

Thank heavens for the many dedicated, brilliant private investigators who got the facts out to people who read --

David Atlee Phillips posed as a Liberal...In order to give cover to the right-wing coup that was the Kennedy Assassination...

Nbadan

12-05-2013, 01:13 AM

THE LAST WORDS OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD
Compiled by Mae Brussell

12:30 P.M., CST, NOV. 22, 1963
Pres. John F. Kennedy Assassinated

12:33 P.M.

Lee Harvey Oswald left work, entered a bus, and said, "Transfer, please."

12:40 - 12:45 P.M.

Oswald got off the bus, entered a cab, and said, "May I have this cab?" A woman approached, wanting a cab, and Oswald said, "I will let you have this one. . . . 500 North Beckley Street . . . . This will be fine." Oswald departed cab and walked a few blocks.

1:15 P.M. Officer J. D. Tippit Murdered

1:45 P.M. Arrest at the Texas Theater

"This is it" or "Well, it's all over now." Oswald arrested. (Patrolman M. N. McDonald heard these remarks. Other officers who were at the scene did not hear them.) "I don't know why you are treating me like this. The only thing I have done is carry a pistol into a movie. . . . I don't see why you handcuffed me. . . . Why should I hide my face? I haven't done anything to be ashamed of. . . . I want a lawyer. . . . I am not resisting arrest. . . . I didn't kill anybody. . . . I haven't shot anybody. . . . I protest this police brutality. . . . I fought back there, but I know I wasn't supposed to be carrying a gun. . . . What is this all about?"

2:00 - 2:15 P.M. Drive to Police Dept.

"What is this all about? . . . I know my rights. . . . A police officer has been killed? . . . I hear they burn for murder. Well, they say it just takes a second to die. . . . All I did was carry a gun. . . . No, Hidell is not my real name. . . . I have been in the Marine Corps, have a dishonorable discharge, and went to Russia. . . . I had some trouble with police in New Orleans for passing out pro-Castro literature. . . . Why are you treating me this way? . . . I am not being handled right. . . . I demand my rights."

2:15 P.M. Taken into Police Dept.

2:15 - 2:20 P.M.

"Talked to" by officers Guy F. Rose and Richard S. Stovall. No notes.

2:25 - 4:04 P.M. Interrogation of Oswald, Office of Capt Will Fritz

"My name is Lee Harvey Oswald. . . . I work at the Texas School Book Depository Building. . . . I lived in Minsk and in Moscow. . . . I worked in a factory. . . . I liked everything over there except the weather. . . . I have a wife and some children. . . . My residence is 1026 North Beckley, Dallas, Tex." Oswald recognized FBI agent James Hosty and said, "You have been at my home two or three times talking to my wife. I don't appreciate your coming out there when I was not there. . . . I was never in Mexico City. I have been in Tijuana. . . . Please take the handcuffs from behind me, behind my back. . . . I observed a rifle in the Texas School Book Depository where I work, on Nov. 20, 1963. . . . Mr. Roy Truly, the supervisor, displayed the rifle to individuals in his office on the first floor. . . . I never owned a rifle myself. . . . I resided in the Soviet Union for three years, where I have many friends and relatives of my wife. . . . I was secretary of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans a few months ago. . . . While in the Marines, I received an award for marksmanship as a member of the U.S. Marine Corps. . . . While living on Beckley Street, I used the name 0. H. Lee. . . . I was present in the Texas School Book Depository Building, I have been employed there since Oct. 15, 1963. . . . As a laborer, I have access to the entire building. . . . My usual place of work is on the first floor. However, I frequently use the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh floors to get books. I was on all floors this morning. . . . Because of all the confusion, I figured there would be no work performed that afternoon so I decided to go home. . . . I changed my clothing and went to a movie. . . . I carried a pistol with me to the movie because I felt like it, for no other reason. . . . I fought the Dallas Police who arrested me in the movie theater where I received a cut and a bump. . . . I didn't shoot Pres. John F. Kennedy or Officer J. D. Tippit. . . . An officer struck me, causing the marks on my left eye, after I had struck him. . . . I just had them in there," when asked why he had bullets in his pocket.

3:54 P.M.

NBC newsman Bill Ryan announced on national television that "Lee Oswald seems to be the prime suspect in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."

4:45 P.M. At a Lineup for Helen Markham, Witness to Tippit Murder

"It isn't right to put me in line with these teenagers. . . . You know what you are doing, and you are trying to railroad me. . . . I want my lawyer. . . . You are doing me an injustice by putting me out there dressed different than these other men. . . . I am out there, the only one with a bruise on his head. . . . I don t believe the lineup is fair, and I desire to put on a jacket similar to those worn by some of the other individuals in the lineup. . . . All of you have a shirt on, and I have a T-shirt on. I want a shirt or something. . . . This T-shirt is unfair."

4:45 - 6:30 P.M. Second Interrogation of Oswald, Captain Fritz's Office

"When I left the Texas School Book Depository, I went to my room, where I changed my trousers, got a pistol, and went to a picture show. . . . You know how boys do when they have a gun, they carry it. . . . Yes, I had written the Russian Embassy. (On Nov. 9, 1963, Oswald had written to the Russian Embassy that FBI agent James Hosty was making some kind of deals with Marina, and he didn't trust "the notorious FBI.") . . . Mr. Hosty, you have been accosting my wife. You mistreated her on two different occasions when you talked with her. . . . I know you. Well, he threatened her. He practically told her she would have to go back to Russia. You know, I can't use a phone. . . . I want that attorney in New York, Mr. Abt. I don't know him personally but I know about a case that he handled some years ago, where he represented the people who had violated the Smith Act, . . . I don't know him personally, but that is the attorney I want. . . . If I can't get him, then I may get the American Civil Liberties Union to send me an attorney."
"I went to school in New York and in Fort Worth, Tex. . . . After getting into the Marines, I finished my high school education. . . . I support the Castro revolution. . . . My landlady didn't understand my name correctly, so it was her idea to call me 0. H. Lee. . . . I want to talk with Mr. Abt, a New York attorney. . . . The only package I brought to work was my lunch. . . . I never had a card to the Communist party. . . . I am a Marxist, but not a Leninist-Marxist. . . . I bought a pistol in Fort Worth several months ago. . . . I refuse to tell you where the pistol was purchased. . . . I never ordered any guns. . . . I am not malcontent. Nothing irritated me about the President." When Capt. Will Fritz asked Oswald, "Do you believe in a deity?" Oswald replied, "I don't care to discuss that." "How can I afford a rifle on the Book Depository salary of $1.25 an hour? . . . John Kennedy had a nice family. . . ." (Sheriff Roger Craig saw Oswald enter a white station wagon 15 minutes after the assassination. Oswald confirmed this in Captain Fritz's office. A man impersonating Oswald in Dallas just prior to the assassination could have been on the bus and in the taxicab.) "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Ruth Paine. Don't try to tie her into this. She had nothing to do with it. I told you people I did. . . . Everybody will know who I am now."
"Can I get an attorney?. . . I have not been given the opportunity to have counsel. . . . As I said, the Fair Play for Cuba Committee has definitely been investigated, that is very true. . . . The results of that investigation were zero. The Fair Play for Cuba Committee is not now on the attorney general's subversive list."

6:30 P.M. Lineup for Witnesses Cecil J. McWatters, Sam Guinyard, and Ted Callaway

"I didn't shoot anyone," Oswald yelled in the halls to reporters. . . . "I want to get in touch with a lawyer, Mr. Abt, in New York City. . . . I never killed anybody."

7:10 P.M. Arraignment: State of Texas v. Lee Harvey Oswald for Murder with Malice of Officer J. D. Tippit of the Dallas Police Dept.

"I insist upon my constitutional rights. . . . The way you are treating me, I might as well be in Russia. . . . I was not granted my request to put on a jacket similar to those worn by other individuals in some previous lineups."

7:50 P.M. Lineup for Witness J. D. Davis

"I have been dressed differently than the other three. . . . Don't you know the difference? I still have on the same clothes I was arrested in. The other two were prisoners, already in jail." Seth Kantor, reporter, heard Oswald yell, "I am only a patsy."

7:55 P.M. Third Interrogation, Captain Fritz's Office

"I think I have talked long enough. I don't have anything else to say. . . . What started out to be a short interrogation turned out to be rather lengthy. . . . I don't care to talk anymore. . . . I am waiting for someone to come forward to give me legal assistance. . . . It wasn't actually true as to how I got home. I took a bus, but due to a traffic jam, I left the bus and got a taxicab, by which means I actually arrived at my residence."

8:55 P.M. Fingerprints, Identification Paraffin Tests -- All in Fritz's Office

"I will not sign the fingerprint card until I talk to my attorney. . . . What are you trying to prove with this paraffin test, that I fired a gun? . . . You are wasting your time. I don't know anything about what you are accusing me."

11:00 - 11:20 P.M. "Talked To" by Police Officer John Adamcik and FBI Agent M. Clements

"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in., weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or permanent scars."

(Oswald had mastoidectomy scars and left upper-arm scars, both noted in Marine records. "Warren Report," pp. 614-618, lists information from Oswald obtained during this interview about members of his family, past employment, past residences.)

11:20 - 11:25 P.M. Lineup for Press Conference; Jack Ruby Present

When newsmen asked Oswald about his black eye, he answered, "A cop hit me." When asked about the earlier arraignment, Oswald said "Well, I was questioned by Judge Johnston. However, I protested at that time that I was not allowed legal representation during that very short and sweet hearing. I really don't know what the situation is about. Nobody has told me anything except that I am accused of murdering a policeman. I know nothing more than that, and I do request someone to come forward to give me legal assistance." When asked, "Did you kill the President?" Oswald replied, "No. I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody has said that to me yet. The first thing I heard about it was when the newspaper reporters in the hall asked me that question. . . . I did not do it. I did not do it. . . . I did not shoot anyone."

12:23 A.M., NOV. 23, 1963 Placed in Jail Cell

12:35 A.M. Released by Jailer

Oswald complained, "This is the third set of fingerprints, photographs being taken."

1:10 A.M. Back in Jail Cell

1:35 A.M. Arraignment: State of Texas v. Lee Harvey Oswald for the Murder with Malice of John F. Kennedy

"Well, sir, I guess this is the trial. . . . I want to contact my lawyer, Mr. Abt, in New York City. I would like to have this gentleman. He is with the American Civil Liberties Union." (John J. Abt now in private practice in New York, was the general counsel for the Senate Sub-Committee on Civil Liberties from 1935-1937, and later served as legal adviser for the Progressive party from 1948-1951. Mr. Abt has never been a member of the ACLU.)

10:30 A.M.-1:10 P.M. Interrogation, Capt. Will Fritz's Office

"I said I wanted to contact Attorney Abt, New York. He defended the Smith Act cases in 1949, 1950, but I don't know his address, except that it is in New York. . . . I never owned a rifle. . . . Michael Paine owned a car, Ruth Paine owned two cars. . . . Robert Oswald, my brother, lives in Fort Worth. He and the Paines were closest friends in town. . . . The FBI has thoroughly interrogated me at various other times. . . . They have used their hard and soft approach to me, and they use the buddy system. . . . I am familiar with all types of questioning and have no intention of making any statements. . . . In the past three weeks the FBI has talked to my wife. They were abusive and impolite. They frightened my wife, and I consider their activities obnoxious."
(When arrested, Oswald had FBI Agent James Hosty's home phone and office phone numbers and car license number in his possession.)
"I was arrested in New Orleans for disturbing the peace and paid a $10 fine for demonstrating for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. I had a fight with some anti-Castro refugees and they were released while I was fined. . . . I refuse to take a polygraph. It has always been my practice not to agree to take a polygraph . . . The FBI has overstepped their bounds in using various tactics in interviewing me. . . . I didn't shoot John Kennedy. . . . I didn't even know Gov. John Connally had been shot. . . . I don't own a rifle. . . . I didn't tell Buell Wesley Frazier anything about bringing back some curtain rods. . . . My wife lives with Mrs. Ruth Paine. She was learning Russian. They needed help with the young baby, so it made a nice arrangement for both of them. . . . I don't know Mrs. Paine very well, but Mr. Paine and his wife were separated a great deal of the time."
(Michael Paine worked at Bell Aerospace as a scientific engineer. His boss, Walter Dornberger, was a Nazi war criminal. The first call, the "tipoff," on Oswald, came from Bell Aerospace.)
"The garage at the Paines' house has some seabags that have a lot of my personal belongings. I left them after coming back from New Orleans in September. . . . The name Alek Hidell was picked up while working in New Orleans in the Fair Play for Cuba organization. . . . I speak Russian, correspond with people in Russia, and receive newspapers from Russia. . . . I don't own a rifle at all. . . . I did have a small rifle some years in the past. You can't buy a rifle in Russia, you can only buy shotguns. I had a shotgun in Russia and hunted some while there. I didn't bring the rifle from New Orleans. . . . I am not a member of the Communist party. . . . I belong to the Civil Liberties Union. . . . I did carry a package to the Texas School Book Depository. I carried my lunch, a sandwich and fruit, which I made at Paine's house. . . . I had nothing personal against John Kennedy."

1:10 - 1:30 P.M. Lee Harvey Oswald Visited by Mother, Marguerite Oswald, and Wife, Marina Oswald

(To his Mother.) "No, there is nothing you can do. Everything is fine. I know my rights, and I will have an attorney. I already requested to get in touch with Attorney Abt, I think is his name. Don't worry about a thing."
(To his Wife.) "Oh, no, they have not been beating me. They are treating me fine. . . . You're not to worry about that. Did you bring June and Rachel? . . . Of course we can speak about absolutely anything at all. . . . It's a mistake. I'm not guilty. There are people who will help me. There is a lawyer in New York on whom I am counting for help. . . . Don't cry. There is nothing to cry about. Try not to think about it. . . . Everything is going to be all right. If they ask you anything, you have a right not to answer. You have a right to refuse. Do you understand? . . . You are not to worry. You have friends. They'll help you. If it comes to that, you can ask the Red Cross for help. You mustn't worry about me. Kiss Junie and Rachel for me. I love you. . . . Be sure to buy shoes for June."

2:15 P.M. Lineup for Witnesses William W. Scoggins and William Whaley

"I refuse to answer questions. I have my T-shirt on, the other men are dressed differently. . . . Everybody's got a shirt and everything, and I've got a T-shirt on. . . . This is unfair."

3:30 - 3:40 P.M. Robert Oswald, Brother, in Ten-Minute Visit

"I cannot or would not say anything, because the line is apparently tapped. . . . I got these bruises in the theater. They haven't bothered me since. They are treating me all right. . . . What do you think of the baby? Well, it was a girl, and I wanted a boy, but you know how that goes. . . . I don't know what is going on. I just don't know what they are talking about. . . . Don't believe all the so-called evidence." When Robert Oswald looked into Lee's eyes for some clue, Lee said to him, "Brother, you won't find anything there. . . . My friends will take care of Marina and the two children." When Robert Oswald stated that he didn't believe the Paines were friends of Lee's, he answered back, "Yes, they are. . . . Junie needs a new pair of shoes."
(Robert Oswald told the Warren Commission, "To me his answers were mechanical, and I was not talking to the Lee I knew.")

3:40 P.M. Lee Harvey Oswald Calls Mrs. Ruth Paine

"This is Lee. Would you please call John Abt in New York for me after 6:00 P.M. The number for his office is ___________, and his residence is _______________ . . . . Thank you for your concern."

5:30 - 5:35 P.M. Visit with H. Louis Nichols, President of the Dallas Bar Association

"Well, I really don't know what this is all about, that I have been kept incarcerated and kept incommunicado. . . . Do you know a lawyer in New York named John Abt? I believe in New York City. I would like to have him represent me. That is the man I would like. Do you know any lawyers who are members of the American Civil Liberties Union? I am a member of that organization, and I would like to have somebody who is a member of that organization represent me." Mr. Nichols offered to help find a lawyer, but Oswald said, "No, not now. You might come back next week, and if I don't get some of these other people to assist me, I might ask you to get somebody to represent me."

6:00 - 6:30 P.M. Interrogation, Captain Fritz's Office

"In time I will be able to show you that this is not my picture, but I don't want to answer any more questions. . . . I will not discuss this photograph without advice of an attorney. . . . There was another rifle in the building. I have seen it. Warren Caster had two rifles, a 30.06 Mauser and a .22 for his son. . . . That picture is not mine, but the face is mine. The picture has been made by superimposing my face. The other part of the picture is not me at all, and I have never seen this picture before. I understand photography real well, and that, in time, I will be able to show you that is not my picture and that it has been made by someone else. . . . It was entirely possible that the Police Dept. has superimposed this part of the photograph over the body of someone else. . . . The Dallas Police were the culprits. . . . The small picture was reduced from the larger one, made by some persons unknown to me. . . . Since I have been photographed at City Hall, with people taking my picture while being transferred from the office to the jail door, someone has been able to get a picture of my face, and with that, they have made this picture. . . . I never kept a rifle at Mrs. Paine's garage at Irving, Tex. . . . We had no visitors at our apartment on North Beckley. . . . I have no receipts for purchase of any gun, and I have never ordered any guns. I do not own a rifle, never possessed a rifle. . . . I will not say who wrote A. J. Hidell on my Selective Service card. . . . I will not tell you the purpose of carrying the card or the use I made of it. . . . The address book in my possession has the names of Russian immigrants in Dallas, Tex., whom I have visited."

9:30 P.M. Lee Harvey Oswald Calls His Wife, Marina, at Mrs. Paine's Home

"Marina, please. Would you try to locate her?" (Marina had moved.)

10:00 P.M. Office of Captain Fritz

"Life is better for the colored people in Russia than it is in the U.S.

SOURCE:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html

Nbadan

12-05-2013, 01:14 AM

9:30 - 11:15 A.M., SUNDAY MORNING, NOV. 24,1963 Interrogation in Capt. Will Fritz's Office

"After the assassination, a policeman or some man came rushing into the School Book Depository Building and said, `Where is your telephone?' He showed me some kind of credential and identified himself, so he might not have been a police officer. . . . `Right there,' I answered, pointing to the phone. . . . `Yes, I can eat lunch with you,' I told my co-worker, `but I can't go right now. You go and take the elevator, but send the elevator back up.' . . . After all this commotion started, I just went downstairs and started to see what it was all about. A police officer and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told officers that I am one of the employees in the building. . . . If you ask me about the shooting of Tippit, I don't know what you are talking about. . . . The only thing I am here for is because I popped a policeman in the nose in the theater on Jefferson Avenue, which I readily admit I did, because I was protecting myself. . . . I learned about the job vacancy at the Texas School Book Depository from people in Mrs. Paine's neighborhood. . . . I visited my wife Thursday night, Nov. 21, whereas I normally visited her over the weekend, because Mrs. Paine was giving a party for the children on the weekend. They were having a houseful of neighborhood children. I didn't want to be around at such a time. . . . Therefore, my weekly visit was on Thursday night instead of on the weekend. . . . It didn't cost much to go to Mexico. It cost me some $26, a small, ridiculous amount to eat, and another ridiculous small amount to stay all night. . . . I went to the Mexican Embassy to try to get this permission to go to Russia by way of Cuba. . . . I went to the Mexican Consulate in Mexico City. I went to the Russian Embassy to go to Russia by way of Cuba. They told me to come back in `thirty days.' . . . I don't recall the shape, it may have been a small sack, or a large sack; you don't always find one that just fits your sandwiches. . . . The sack was in the car, beside me, on my lap, as it always is. . . . I didn't get it crushed. It was not on the back seat. Mr. Frazier must have been mistaken or else thinking about the other time when he picked me up. . . . The Fair Play for Cuba Committee was a loosely organized thing and we had no officers. Probably you can call me the secretary of it because I did collect money. . . . In New York City they have a well-organized, or a better, organization. . . . No, not at all: I didn't intend to organize here in Dallas; I was too busy trying to get a job. . . . If anyone else was entitled to get mail in P.O. Box 6525 at the Terminal Annex in New Orleans, the answer is no. . . . The rental application said Fair Play for Cuba Committee and the American Civil Liberties Union. Maybe I put them on there. . . . It is possible that on rare occasions I may have handed one of the keys to my wife to get my mail, but certainly nobody else. . . . I never ordered a rifle under the name of Hidell, Oswald, or any other name. . . . I never permitted anyone else to order a rifle to be received in this box. . . . I never ordered any rifle by mail order or bought any money order for the purpose of paying for such a rifle. . . . I didn't own any rifle. I have not practiced or shot with a rifle. . . . I subscribe to two publications from Russia, one being a hometown paper published in Minsk, where I met and married my wife. . . . We moved around so much that it was more practical to simply rent post office boxes and have mail forwarded from one box to the next rather than going through the process of furnishing changes of address to the publishers. . . . Marina Oswald and A. J. Hidell were listed under the caption of persons entitled to receive mail through my box in New Orleans. . . . I don't recall anything about the A. J. Hidell being on the post office card. . . . I presume you have reference to a map I had in my room with some X's on it. I have no automobile. I have no means of conveyance. I have to walk from where I am going most of the time. I had my applications with the Texas Employment Commission. They furnished me names and addresses of places that had openings like I might fill, and neighborhood people had furnished me information on jobs I might get. . . . I was seeking a job, and I would put these markings on this map so I could plan my itinerary around with less walking. Each one of these X's represented a place where I went and interviewed for a job. . . . You can check each one of them out if you want to. . . . The X on the intersection of Elm and Houston is the location of the Texas School Book Depository. I did go there and interview for a job. In fact, I got the job there. That is all the map amounts to. . . . What religion am I? I have no faith, I suppose you mean, in the Bible. I have read the Bible. It is fair reading, but not very interesting. As a matter of fact, I am a student of philosophy and I don't consider the Bible as even a reasonable or intelligent philosophy. I don't think of it. . . . I told you I haven't shot a rifle since the Marines, possibly a small bore, maybe a .22, but not anything larger since I have left the Marine Corps. . . . I never received a package sent to me through the mailbox in Dallas, Box No. 2915, under the name of Alek Hidell, absolutely not. . . . Maybe my wife, but I couldn't say for sure whether my wife ever got this mail, but it is possible she could have." Oswald was told that an attorney offered to assist him, and he answered, "I don't particularly want him, but I will take him if I can't do any better, and will contact him at a later date. . . . I have been a student of Marxism since the age of 14. . . . American people will soon forget the President was shot, but I didn't shoot him. . . . Since the President was killed, someone else would take his place, perhaps Vice-President Johnson. His views about Cuba would probably be largely the same as those of President Kennedy. . . . I never lived on Neely Street. These people are mistaken about visiting there, because I never lived there. . . . It might not be proper to answer further questions, because what I say might be construed in a different light than what I actually meant it to be. . . . When the head of any government dies, or is killed, there is always a second in command who would take over. . . . I did not kill President Kennedy or Officer Tippit. If you want me to cop out to hitting or pleading guilty to hitting a cop in the mouth when I was arrested, yeah, I plead guilty to that. But I do deny shooting both the President and Tippit."

11:10 A.M. Preparation for Oswald's Transfer to County Jail

"I would like to have a shirt from clothing that was brought to the office to wear over the T-shirt I am wearing. . . . I prefer wearing a black Ivy League-type shirt, which might be a little warmer. I don't want a hat. . . . I will just take one of those sweaters, the black one."

11:15 A.M. Inspector Thomas J. Kelley, U.S. Secret Service, Has Final Conversation with Lee Harvey Oswald

Kelley approached Oswald, out of the hearing of others, except perhaps Captain Fritz's men, and said that as a Secret Service agent, he was anxious to talk with him as soon as he secured counsel, because Oswald was charged with the assassination of the President but had denied it. Oswald said, "I will be glad to discuss this proposition with my attorney, and that after I talk with one, we could either discuss it with him or discuss it with my attorney, if the attorney thinks it is a wise thing to do, but at the present time I have nothing more to say to you."

11:21 A.M. Lee Harvey Oswald Was Fatally Wounded by Jack Ruby