Damn that Michael Jordan Alpha Male gene is something different

[lefty]

We all know MJ is hyper competitive to the the point of being a jerk, that he invented stuff in his head to seek extra motivation, that Cartwright almost killed him, that he shitted on everyone during his HOF speech just to make a point , etc etc


Yeah his asshole DNA is what made him the GOAT, he was mean, we all know that, but damn, sometimes he really went HAM


Who was the better defender? Pippen was one of the best and most gifted defenders of all time. But MJ was the better defender. Michael could shut down anyone in the world for a 3 minute span. The best he’s ever seen. (I was pretty shocked by that, but man what does that tell you about MJ, unbelievable.) Jordan was the most ferocious competitor Bach has seen in all his years of basketball. Johnny said physically Jordan and Pippen were about the same as defenders. But when you add in MJ’s ruthlessness and trash talk, that put him ahead of Scottie.
When Johnny was coaching with the Hornets in 1995 they had a good team. Mourning, Johnson. Series was tied at 2 and Hornets had a chance to win game 5 in Chicago. On the biggest possession of the game, Mugsy had the ball with the Hornets down 1. Jordan backed off of him and told him: “shoot it you f—ing midget.” Mugsy shot it, didn’t come close. A year later Mugsy actually told Johnny Bach that he believes that single play ruined his career. His shot never recovered. :lol




The day before game 4 of the Bulls Suns finals with the Bulls leading the series 2-1. Michael and Charles Barkley went golfing. They played 48 holes of golf. And Michael bought Charles a $20,000 diamond earring. Johnny asked MJ, “what did you do all that for?” Michael responded, “he won’t get in my way the rest of the series, what’s $20,000 to me? Charles thinks we’re great friends. I hate that fat f—.” Jordan dropped 55 in game 4 and Barkley never touched him once. :lol

Who’s seriously that sinister? I understand playing chess while others are playing checkers, but if your chess involves corrupting the sacred bonds of friendship then Mr. Jordan I just can’t get down like that. All Chuck wanted to do was play some golf and ice out his ear like the 90′s bawss he was, and here was Michael turning the whole thing into some twisted multi-layered competition.


I guess JVG was right when he mad that MJ con-man comment .......


I believe the story is also cited in "The Jordan Rules". Klostermann makes some interesting points in the article and the MJ anecdote is about midway through. Basically, MJ was playing Hearts with his North Carolina's teammate's grandmother. She gets up to go to the bathroom, leaves her cards on the table, and Jordan peeks at them while she's gone. Cheating grandma to win at cards?! Really?





:worthy:

[lefty]

"We're beating a lot of poor teams. So what? We won a lot of games last year, too. Will Horace and Bill still be playing at this level in the playoffs...Can Pip keep it up?"


"I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don't get you the ball."


"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."


"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."


"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue


"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his *** into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King a new one


"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility


I'll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves."


"We have to do some things. We need to make some changes."


"...I call them 'the Looney Tunes.' Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren't even close."


"He's scared. He's got no heart...Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn't have been here."


"I know I can recognize what to do, but I'm not sure they can."


"It's a hell of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers."


"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey King who was walking into the locker room with a box


"They don't need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that." - Michael to Charles Davis who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends


"Give me the fu*king ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine


"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."


"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant


"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you'll never get the ball from me."


"We're not winning because of talent. We're just beating bad teams."


"Headache tonight, Scottie?" - Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line


"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - Michael on a ten-day contract teammate


"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."


"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."


"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team." Too much irony in this one. :lol


"Will Vanderbilt. He doesn't deserve to be named after a Big Ten school." - Michael on Will Perdue


"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious attitudes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"


"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."


"I know what I would do if I were coach. I'd determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it's pretty clear what our strength is."


"Your boy doesn't want to play. I'm tired of bailing his *** out." - Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson


"I don't know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy." - Michael questioning the Oakley trade


"He's causing me too many turnovers." - Michael on Cartwright's inability to catch


"Why the hell don't you ever set a pick like that in a game?" - Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the institution of the private curtain for practices

[lefty]

Good shit :lol



The time Robert Parish refused to put up with Michael Jordan (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/the-time-robert-parish-refused-to-put-up-with-michael-jordan/) Kurt Helin (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/author/kurthelin/)
Mar 9, 2012, 6:37 PM EST

55 Comments (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/the-time-robert-parish-refused-to-put-up-with-michael-jordan/#comments)

http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/566105-robert_parish_large.jpg?w=300 Getty Images There is a fantastic story up at ESPNBoston.com (http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7662366/big-3-final-run-stirs-bittersweet-memories-original-trio) looking at the end of the first “Big Three” in Boston — Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish.
McHale and Bird finished their careers as Celtics, but people often forget that Parrish spent two years in Charlotte then went on to the 1996-97 Chicago Bulls — the middle season of Michael Jordan’s post-baseball, second threepeat with the Bulls.
By this point Jordan was an established leader whose style was intimidation and pressure. Jordan was the ultimate alpha male who let you get away with nothing.
Parish had been through too much for that, as he tells the story (http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7662366/big-3-final-run-stirs-bittersweet-memories-original-trio).

In one of his first practices with the Bulls, Parish botched one of the plays and was amused to find Jordan jawing at him just inches from his face.
“I told him, ‘I’m not as enamored with you as these other guys. I’ve got some rings too,’ ” Parish recalled. “At that point he told me, ‘I’m going to kick your ass.’ I took one step closer and said, ‘No, you really aren’t.’ After that he didn’t bother me.”
I imagine Jordan tells that story differently.
Parish played sparingly for that Bulls team — he got in only 43 regular season games and two playoff games — then retired, but with his fourth ring. We will always think of him as a Celtic, but he has at least one good Bulls story, it turns out.

[Stabula]

And now that alpha male is at the helm of the hands-down most horrible team the league has perhaps ever seen.

[hater]

yah :lol you'd think Jordan's competitiveness and intimidation would improve that Bobcats team :lol

that's proof that these quoting and dramatization is mostly hyperinflated BS in order to sell books

[lefty]

Jordan is a horrible owner we all agree on that :lol

[lefty]

yah :lol you'd think Jordan's competitiveness and intimidation would improve that Bobcats team :lol

that's proof that these quoting and dramatization is mostly hyperinflated BS in order to sell books
I dont think so

Jordan the player was a real asshole, it had to be his way

Jordan the owner? it's also his way ... except that in this case his way sucks :lol

[hater]

I dont think so

Jordan the player was a real asshole, it had to be his way

Jordan the owner? it's also his way ... except that in this case his way sucks :lol

sure but all this bullshit about ppl getting their feelings hurt and getting their careers ruined is BS IMO

I'm sure Jordan was more of a tough love kinda guy than a complete lunatic imo

[DPG21920]

Will Vanderbilt :lmao

[DPG21920]

sure but all this bullshit about ppl getting their feelings hurt and getting their careers ruined is BS IMO

I'm sure Jordan was more of a tough love kinda guy than a complete lunatic imo

No. He is & was a lunatic.

[Killakobe81]

I don't have any issues. We saw what he was at his HOF induction ceremony and compared to David and Stockton how much more hubris was in MJ. But maybe THAT;s why he is the GOAT. I just laugh when MJ fans act like he was all class. He never did this or he never did that. Dude was a ruthless SOB and as long as he won ...that's all that matters. this is not Little league. Where sportsmanship, manners are more important. Is it great that duncan and to some degree Lebron have won WITHOUT this type of raging ego and alpha male bravado? Sure, but MJ kicked ass and won more than anyone not named Kareem or Russell ...

Mj by many accounts was a bigger a-hole than most star players ....Fans just deny it because he was their boyhood idol ...

That chuck story was awesome, btw ...

[lefty]

sure but all this bullshit about ppl getting their feelings hurt and getting their careers ruined is BS IMO

I'm sure Jordan was more of a tough love kinda guy than a complete lunatic imo

Well yeah

I would still have punched the guy if he tried to humiliate me tbh :lol
By the way what do you think of his HOF speech?

A lot of people think it wasnt that bad, but honestly to me it was bad

[Killakobe81]

Well yeah

I would still have punched the guy if he tried to humiliate me tbh :lol
By the way what do you think of his HOF speech?

A lot of people think it wasnt that bad, but honestly to me it was bad

It was bad. Especially the part where he said he felt sorry for his kids ... he set teh bar so high ... not sure that is going to make any FatherOfTheYearAward speeches in the future ...

[lefty]

holy shit :lol


Then, in this week’s Sports Illustrated, Thomas Lake chronicled his journey to Wilmington, North Carolina (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1193740/1/index.htm), where he found the Laney High School coach who so famously cut the sophomore Jordan, as the mythology goes. The story is central to the Jordan mystique: Jordan’s rise began with humiliation, his greatness an outgrowth of the desire to prove his coach wrong.

Except, as it turns out, Clifton “Pop” Herring never cut Jordan.

He assigned the 5-foot, 10-inch guard to the junior varsity team so he wouldn’t spend his sophomore season riding the bench.

Today, Herring is an alcoholic diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. The disease took hold and his life began to unravel just a few years after he spent mornings and weekends in the gym with Jordan working on his jump shot.

When Jordan’s jersey was retired and his bronze statue dedicated in 1994, Herring was Jordan’s guest in Chicago. Jordan recognized him during his speech in front of a packed United Center. He called Herring the coach who cut him. Twenty thousand Bulls fans rained down boos. :(

For Jordan, there is no statute of limitations on bulletin board material—real or perceived. Herring would be the victim of Jordan’s massive lie forever, but that alone wasn’t enough. Herring was flown halfway across the country so he would never forget that he had wronged the immortal Jordan.

[hater]

Well yeah

I would still have punched the guy if he tried to humiliate me tbh :lol
By the way what do you think of his HOF speech?

A lot of people think it wasnt that bad, but honestly to me it was bad

thing is humiliation happens a lot in pro sports when dealing with superstars that have superhuman talent.

mere humans just look stupid next to them and will get told off eventually.

Sure Jordan could have treated them nicely and all equal. But then we wouldn't be discussing Jordan cause he would not have won 6 championships.

sure he was tough but IMO not much more than having an asshole of a boss, and there are millions of those.

[Killakobe81]

holy shit :lol


Then, in this week’s Sports Illustrated, Thomas Lake chronicled his journey to Wilmington, North Carolina (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1193740/1/index.htm), where he found the Laney High School coach who so famously cut the sophomore Jordan, as the mythology goes. The story is central to the Jordan mystique: Jordan’s rise began with humiliation, his greatness an outgrowth of the desire to prove his coach wrong.

Except, as it turns out, Clifton “Pop” Herring never cut Jordan.

He assigned the 5-foot, 10-inch guard to the junior varsity team so he wouldn’t spend his sophomore season riding the bench.

Today, Herring is an alcoholic diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. The disease took hold and his life began to unravel just a few years after he spent mornings and weekends in the gym with Jordan working on his jump shot.

When Jordan’s jersey was retired and his bronze statue dedicated in 1994, Herring was Jordan’s guest in Chicago. Jordan recognized him during his speech in front of a packed United Center. He called Herring the coach who cut him. Twenty thousand Bulls fans rained down boos. :(

For Jordan, there is no statute of limitations on bulletin board material—real or perceived. Herring would be the victim of Jordan’s massive lie forever, but that alone wasn’t enough. Herring was flown halfway across the country so he would never forget that he had wronged the immortal Jordan.

I read that. It's jacked up how he did him ...and the guy they took over him from his HS. Mj NEVER forgets ...
But again, I would want my son to play like MJ ... not emulate him as a person ...

[DPG21920]

I'm going to start calling Koolaid Man Caprisun Man because he doesn't deserve to be named after a top 10 drank IMO.

[lefty]

The way I see it, MJ was a very insecure person

[Michael Jordan.]

I'm going to start calling Koolaid Man Caprisun Man because he doesn't deserve to be named after a top 10 drank IMO.

:lmao

[Killakobe81]

I'm going to start calling Koolaid Man Caprisun Man because he doesn't deserve to be named after a top 10 drank IMO.

Ok that was pretty funny ..

Wonder what Mj thinks of the "bullying" and the Incognito story?
I bet Kerr, brad Sellers, Stacy King Kwame Brown and Horace could make a compelling case against MJ.

And Horace HATED Mj for a while ... i dont think Mj ever ahs forgiven him, tbh. If you notice he always mentions Scotti,e hell, he even mentions Oak more when reminiscing on his playing days. I wonder if the whole truth will ever come to light. I remember someone had a sign that said Mj has not won a title without Horace after the Magic beat the bulls whee jordan wore 45 ... he was so pissed 72 ...happened the next year. no way were the bulls losing to the Magic if they faced again. MJ was on a mission.

[lefty]

I wonder if the whole truth will ever come to light. .
Never

MJ will destroy their lives

Not to mention that the current U.S president must be a huge MJ fan; one phone call from Mike and it will be taken care off

[D-Wade]

Killa's got it. MJ is my all-time favorite player but I'm not sure I'd like him if I was grown and watching him today. It's one thing to be ruthless on the court. It's another to be hedging and positioning yourself in every part of your life. That's a sociopath. While current guys like KD go overboard with the chumminess, the current crop of stars are much more likable competitors.

[hater]

the current crop of stars are all pussies.

fixed it fo ya

[HI-FI]

I always call Kobe a sociopath, which he obviously is, but I've always given MJ the benefit of the doubt since he was my favorite player after Magic and I owned tons of Air Jordan shit as a youth. But it's pretty obvious the guy was a fucked up individual in retrospect. I've also believed his gambling led to his father's death.

I thought his HOF speech was horrible. I know Phil Jackson liked it, felt like it was pure MJ, but to me, he was drunk as shit and still nursing grudges, making mountains out of molehills. just not something you would expect at the moment of enshrinement.

MJ was phenomenal to watch, the real deal on the court unlike Rapist in LA. I still think MJ was the best and worst thing to happen to basketball. Best because he was electric, made the sport blow up overseas, but bad because the league went out of its way to protect its biggest asset. Both on the court and off, the league went too far and set a bad precedent imo.

[Brazil]

That's Jordan one of the greatest athlete of all time and one of the worst human being

[Koolaid_Man]

We all know MJ is hyper competitive to the the point of being a jerk, that he invented stuff in his head to seek extra motivation, that Cartwright almost killed him, that he shitted on everyone during his HOF speech just to make a point , etc etc


Yeah his asshole DNA is what made him the GOAT, he was mean, we all know that, but damn, sometimes he really went HAM





I guess JVG was right when he mad that MJ con-man comment .......







:worthy:

lefty should I photo bomb your thread with 50 posts now or in a few seconds?

[DPG21920]

lefty should I photo bomb your thread with 50 posts now or in a few seconds?

Caprisun Man salty :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Dad Killer is one of the biggest scumbags to ever step on an NBA court, tbh..he's a piece of shit on every level..terrible teammate with poor leadership skills, but benefited from having arguably the greatest combination of body/athleticism/talent, along with playing under Phil Jackson, which masked his flaws as a leader/team player, tbh..

Dad Killer did dominate his shitty era and the usual 6'3 perimeter players that would guard him, can't take that away from him, although he did always have the best cast in the league, tbh:lol..

DK was great for the NBA, obviously..his reign at the top was the peak of the NBA's popularity, David Stern/Nike did a masterful job in promoting him as a likeable figure, when in reality, he was an abhorrent human being that would have killed the NBA had the White public known about his real personality:lol..

He was horrible for the NBA after he retired, obviously..he spawned an era of iso players like Kobe, McGrady, Carter, Iverson, Carmelo, etc, with only Kobe having success, and he didn't win titles in the same way Jordan did, which is virtually impossible, since only DK had the combination of individual traits + circumstances to win that way IMO..this didn't stop the imitation failures, though..

Luckily, the NBA has changed in the Lebron era, yet there are many delusional fans that still hate:lmao..our current NBA has reverted to basketball in it's greatest form, promoting teamwork and unselfishness, with Miami and San Antonio leading the way, tbh..the other superstars at the top, like Durant/Paul, are also promoting unselfishness and team play, tbh..

The best teams in the NBA, Miami/SA/Indiana/Golden State/Clipps/Chicago, are all unselfish teams that promote defense and ball movement, tbh..

[hater]

wow

lots of tears in this thread. MJ was a bully and a meany :cry

I blame it on stern for pussifying the NBA and its fans in the process :pctoss

that's why the NBA in such a sorry state IMO. NBA players worry more about what they gonna wear at the podium, some afraid to step on a court (Rose) and others enjoying getting spanked butt naked in the lockerroom by other grown men :lmao

[Jodelo]

:depressed

[Koolaid_Man]

I could really fuck this thread up if I felt like it....I actually like photo bomb wars....

[hater]

I can just imagine the reaction in today's NBA lockerroom if a trio of prime Jordan, Oakley and Cartwright walked in :lmao :lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Oakley would be a bench warmer in today's NBA, nobody would be scared of him, tbh..

[Michael Jordan.]

I am one ruthless motherfucker.

[hater]

:lol Oakley would be a bench warmer in today's NBA, nobody would be scared of him, tbh..

agree. the pussification campaign of the nba included genocide on the prototypical big bruiser

NBA wants scoring. Stern did not give a shit about anything but scoring, scoring scoring. unfortunately the product that came out of it is shit. just look at the 22 complete shit teams the NBA is composed of.

[Arcadian]

It's funny how everyone in the mainstream media is dogmatically infatuated with Jordan to the point that they are afraid of dissenting from the popular opinion that he is unquestionably the GOAT. And it's fucking bullshit. Someone in the mainstream media should come out and admit that they hate Jordan as a person and that he might not be the GOAT. There is no "sacrilege" here. It's fucking basketball. There is no right answer. And there are a lot of valid reasons for saying he is not the GOAT (summarized pretty well by Harlem Heat above). I want someone in the mainstream media to say something similar, perhaps in a more diplomatic fashion.

[DMC]

I always call Kobe a sociopath, which he obviously is, but I've always given MJ the benefit of the doubt since he was my favorite player after Magic and I owned tons of Air Jordan shit as a youth. But it's pretty obvious the guy was a fucked up individual in retrospect. I've also believed his gambling led to his father's death.

I thought his HOF speech was horrible. I know Phil Jackson liked it, felt like it was pure MJ, but to me, he was drunk as shit and still nursing grudges, making mountains out of molehills. just not something you would expect at the moment of enshrinement.

MJ was phenomenal to watch, the real deal on the court unlike Rapist in LA. I still think MJ was the best and worst thing to happen to basketball. Best because he was electric, made the sport blow up overseas, but bad because the league went out of its way to protect its biggest asset. Both on the court and off, the league went too far and set a bad precedent imo.

Mike came along at the right time, when Bird and Magic were fading, when Dr J was in the past, the league needed a superstar and there were no real ones. I mean, who really thinks Isiah Thomas, Dominique Wilkins, Patrick Ewing or Charles Barkley are superstars in the NBA? They are great players, great personalities, but Mike was a superstar of the Bird/Magic/Dr J caliber and beyond.

[lefty]

Mike came along at the right time, when Bird and Magic were fading, when Dr J was in the past, the league needed a superstar and there were no real ones. I mean, who really thinks Isiah Thomas, Dominique Wilkins, Patrick Ewing or Charles Barkley are superstars in the NBA? They are great players, great personalities, but Mike was a superstar of the Bird/Magic/Dr J caliber and beyond.

I disagree on Isiah

[DMC]

I disagree on Isiah

Isiah didn't change the game of basketball. He was a great player, but he wasn't anywhere near Michael on the global stage.

[Stabula]

Jerry Jones could probably run the Bobcats better than Jordan

[DMC]

Jerry Jones could probably run the Bobcats better than Jordan

Until they won a ring then he'd fire the head coach so he could pretend to coach a winning team.

[m>s]

Mike came along at the right time, when Bird and Magic were fading, when Dr J was in the past, the league needed a superstar and there were no real ones. I mean, who really thinks Isiah Thomas, Dominique Wilkins, Patrick Ewing or Charles Barkley are superstars in the NBA? They are great players, great personalities, but Mike was a superstar of the Bird/Magic/Dr J caliber and beyond.

huh? those guys would be better than anyone not named lebron james in today's game.

[DMC]

huh? those guys would be better than anyone not named lebron james in today's game.


I'm not talking about talent, but popularity on a world stage. Jordan was the next Dr J. Lebron was the next Jordan. Kobe tried to fill Jordan's shoes but because he was usurped by the most dominant big man since Wilt, and maybe the most dominant presence in the game in 30 years or more, he was relegated to copying Jordan's nuances. He accepted a beta role for several years of his career.

[hater]

I'm not talking about talent, but popularity on a world stage. Jordan was the next Dr J. Lebron was the next Jordan. Kobe tried to fill Jordan's shoes but because he was usurped by the most dominant big man since Wilt, and maybe the most dominant presence in the game in 30 years or more, he was relegated to copying Jordan's nuances. He accepted a beta role for several years of his career.

sorry but this is plain silly, in terms of popularity on a world stage, Dr J and Lebron cannot even be in the same sentence as Jordan.

there was NOBODY before Jordan, and NOBODY after Jordan as far as the world is concerned. The entire world paused to see Jordan's play, and once Jordan retired, the world has yet to take another look at the NBA.

yeah, sure the NBA is making some inseams in the world stage now, but it is all to the foundation that Jordan put. That plus the masterful move to include the dream team in the olympics. But still, even today, NBA popularity is nothing in the world stage compared to Jordan years.

[lefty]

I'm not talking about talent, but popularity on a world stage. Jordan was the next Dr J. Lebron was the next Jordan. Kobe tried to fill Jordan's shoes but because he was usurped by the most dominant big man since Wilt, and maybe the most dominant presence in the game in 30 years or more, he was relegated to copying Jordan's nuances. He accepted a beta role for several years of his career.

well he is a beta male anyway

[hater]

I'll put it this way. Choose any random big city in the world, you go ask 10 ppl in the street if they know the names Michael Jordan and Lebron James.

without a shred of doubt in my mind I can tell you at least 7 out of 10 ppl will know who Jordan is. Lebron, on the other hand, 2 at most 3 out of 10.(and that's being nice)

[Stabula]

I'll put it this way. Choose any random big city in the world, you go ask 10 ppl in the street if they know the names Michael Jordan and Lebron James.

without a shred of doubt in my mind I can tell you at least 7 out of 10 ppl will know who Jordan is. Lebron, on the other hand, 2 at most 3 out of 10.(and that's being nice)

Have to admit MJ is one of the most iconic athletes in history along the likes of Babe Ruth, Mohammed Ali, and Michael Phelps

[DMC]

sorry but this is plain silly, in terms of popularity on a world stage, Dr J and Lebron cannot even be in the same sentence as Jordan.

there was NOBODY before Jordan, and NOBODY after Jordan as far as the world is concerned. The entire world paused to see Jordan's play, and once Jordan retired, the world has yet to take another look at the NBA.

yeah, sure the NBA is making some inseams in the world stage now, but it is all to the foundation that Jordan put. That plus the masterful move to include the dream team in the olympics. But still, even today, NBA popularity is nothing in the world stage compared to Jordan years.

I wasn't comparing them. I said Jordan was the next Dr J and Lebron the next Jordan on the world stage. That doesn't mean they are better than MJ, but that they are the face of the NBA on the world stage. The NBA didn't come into it's on globally until the Dream Team tour.

[lefty]

Have to admit MJ is one of the most iconic athletes in history along the likes of Babe Ruth, Mohammed Ali, and Michael Phelps
Lol 20 years from now everybody will forget about Phelps

You can't say the same for Ruth, Ali or MJ

[apalisoc_9]

A lot of stupid being said around here tbh. Jordan would be dead IRL if he wasn't a basketball player. He does not have the Personality to be an alpha male IRL when shit gets tough and he can no longer use status. If a group of people are stuck in an Island Micheal Jordan would be the last person I would listen to, he would be the last person any person with dignity should listen to..IRL he's that guy that thinks he's the shit but get's curbstopmed by some dude.

Alpha has nothing to do with being a fucking a-hole. Alpha has a lot to do with respect. Respect is what gets you "Genuine" leadership..MJ is a leader only because he's the best player in the team and the Media hyped him to be some sort of God..Yeah he's the GOAT. But he's not an Alpha male.

He's a product of face. An ego made by fame..

He's no better than a phaggot like Justin Bieber...

[DMC]

I'll put it this way. Choose any random big city in the world, you go ask 10 ppl in the street if they know the names Michael Jordan and Lebron James.

without a shred of doubt in my mind I can tell you at least 7 out of 10 ppl will know who Jordan is. Lebron, on the other hand, 2 at most 3 out of 10.(and that's being nice)

You're wrong and you just pulled that from your ass. Lebron James is a household name just like Tiger Woods.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao at the idea that being a good teammate instead of a damn near sociopathic asshole makes you a :cry pussy :cry tbh....

[DMC]

A lot of stupid being said around here tbh. Jordan would be dead IRL if he wasn't a basketball player. He does not have the Personality to be an alpha male IRL when shit gets tough and he can no longer us status. If a group of people are stuck in Island Micheal Jordan would be the last person I would listen to, he would be the last person any person with diginity should listen to..IRL he's that guy that thinks he's the shit but get's curbstopmed by some dude.

Alpha has nothing to do with being a fucking a-hole. Alpha has a lot to do with respect. Respect is what gets you "Genuine" leadership..MJ is a leader only because he's the best player in the team and the Media hyped him to be some sort of God..Yeah he's the GOAT. But he's not an Alpha male.

He's a product of face. An ego made by fame..

He's no better than a phaggot like Justin Bieber...

More poor English shit takes from the resident alien weirdo.

[spurraider21]

i've heard people say Elgin Baylor was the Jordan before Jordan
i've heard people say Dr. J was the Jordan before Jordan
i've heard people say Oscar Robertson was the Jordan before Jordan

there's reason nobody is saying Jordan is the Oscar Robertson after Oscar Robertson, tbh

[DMC]

Lol 20 years from now everybody will forget about Phelps

You can't say the same for Ruth, Ali or MJ

No true. No one forgot about the guy Phelps eclipsed... what's his name.

[Arnold Toht]

DMC-- You're one mean bastard.

[hater]

You're wrong and you just pulled that from your ass. Lebron James is a household name just like Tiger Woods.

Tiger who? :lmao I'm talking about being a WORLDWIDE ICON known to billions and billions. I'm talking about picking a random bum off the streets in Kabul, Berne, Cairo, Tokyo and asking them if they know the person. :lol tiger

MOST of the world would think Tiger is Barak Obama on a golf outing and Lebron some random African Rebel Leader.

MOST of the world knows exactly who Jordan is.

[Stabula]

Lol 20 years from now everybody will forget about Phelps

You can't say the same for Ruth, Ali or MJ

Phelps is the most decorated Olympian in world history you're going to hear his name every time the summer Olympics comes around and he'll be the gold standard until someone out-does him.

[spurraider21]

Tiger who? :lmao I'm talking about being a WORLDWIDE ICON known to billions and billions. I'm talking about picking a random bum off the streets in Kabul, Berne, Cairo, Tokyo and asking them if they know the person. :lol tiger

MOST of the world would think Tiger is Barak Obama on a golf outing and Lebron some random African Rebel Leader.

MOST of the world knows exactly who Jordan is.
did you pull all that out of your own ass? or somebody else's?

[hater]

Lol 20 years from now everybody will forget about Phelps

You can't say the same for Ruth, Ali or MJ

sure Phelps and Ruth are nobodies when it comes to world stage.

Ali is still loved tbh and given there are still no great heavyweights, he will still be known as the greatest boxer ever. Same thing for MJ imo

[hater]

did you pull all that out of your own ass? or somebody else's?

it's pretty logical. Almost NOBODY watches golf, we are talking world stage now don't forget. Almost NOBODY watches NBA.

now that that's settled the question is how did ppl get to know Michael Jordan then? well IMO his popularity within the US just exploded outwards and infected pretty much any other country that watched US pop culture. That's it, Jordan went beyond the pop culture barrier. That mixed in with the dominance of Nike and the Dream Team back then made for a perfect storm.

Lebron has yet to even smell any of that.

wake me up when wild tribes in the sahara are sporting Lebrons :lmao

http://www.photostaud.com/img/fotogalerie/samburu-in-nyiru-mountains-destination/kenya-samburu-nyiru-137.3.jpg

[spurraider21]

it's pretty logical. Almost NOBODY watches golf, we are talking world stage now don't forget. Almost NOBODY watches NBA.

now that that's settled the question is how did ppl get to know Michael Jordan then? well IMO his popularity within the US just exploded outwards and infected pretty much any other country that watched US pop culture. That's it, Jordan went beyond the pop culture barrier.

Lebron has yet to even smell that.
so your ass. k.

[hater]

so your ass. k.

you fail to see the logic? where?

[Juggity]

Jordan sold his soul to be the greatest basketball player of all time. The guy has no moral compass, would probably kill a man if it meant he could win another NBA title. That's what it took to be the greatest, and he was willing to do it.

[spurraider21]

you fail to see the logic? where?
the part where you act like you know the mindset of tribal africans

[Stabula]

sure Phelps and Ruth are nobodies when it comes to world stage.

Ali is still loved tbh and given there are still no great heavyweights, he will still be known as the greatest boxer ever. Same thing for MJ imo

Ruth hasn't swung a bat since the 30s and his name is STILL recognized. As far as Phelps the Olympics is the biggest athletic stage in the world and Phelps is the most decorated athlete in history on that very stage so I don't know what you're talking about.

[hater]

Ruth hasn't swung a bat since the 30s and his name is STILL recognized.

in the world stage? not sure I agree. I'm not even sure Babe is more popular than the candy bar


As far as Phelps the Olympics is the biggest athletic stage in the world and Phelps is the most decorated athlete in history on that very stage so I don't know what you're talking about.

I guess we are having different understanding of the "world stage". I'm talking any joe off the street anywhere in the world. carry on then :tu

[RsxPiimp]

yah :lol you'd think Jordan's competitiveness and intimidation would improve that Bobcats team :lol

that's proof that these quoting and dramatization is mostly hyperinflated BS in order to sell books

The Bobcats franchise demise is actually proof that Jordan's competitiveness and intimidation still exists. No one in his front office dares questions his shitty transactions for years.

The only person Alpha enough to tell mike to fuck off was Old man Abe Pollin telling Mj he's fired after using his name to somewhat make the Wizards franchise relevant even for just a few seasons :lol

[HI-FI]

Jordan sold his soul to be the greatest basketball player of all time. The guy has no moral compass, would probably kill a man if it meant he could win another NBA title. That's what it took to be the greatest, and he was willing to do it.

curious what you mean by sold his soul....

[spurraider21]

in the world stage? not sure I agree. I'm not even sure Babe is more popular than the candy bar



I guess we are having different understanding of the "world stage". I'm talking any joe off the street anywhere in the world. carry on then :tu
i'm curious of how you've gotten to the point where you are inside the mind of average joes off the street everywhere in the world

[hater]

i'm curious of how you've gotten to the point where you are inside the mind of average joes off the street everywhere in the world

I do my share of travel all over the world homes. By being there and talking to the locals it's pretty easy to find out what hot and what's not.

[spurraider21]

I do my share of travel all over the world homes. By being there and talking to the locals it's pretty easy to find out what hot and what's not.
so you've spoken to african tribal people and asked them about tiger woods and lebron james?

[lefty]

Phelps is the most decorated Olympian in world history you're going to hear his name every time the summer Olympics comes around and he'll be the gold standard until someone out-does him.

lol Carl Lewis or Serguei Bubka, even with less medals, are more notorious today than Phelps


And Forsbury is a trademark name

[thunderup]

:lmao all the soft ass faggots complaining about the GOAT's ruthlessness starting with HarlemBeta

[hater]

:lmao all the soft ass faggots complaining about the GOAT's ruthlessness starting with HarlemBeta

:lmao thats what I been sayin soft ass nba these days.

[Sean Cagney]

The way I see it, MJ was a very insecure person
No doubt about that, hence his HOF speech! I remember I think Isiah or someone said he is known of the best ever and still out there trying to settle scores or grudges. He is a royal piece of shit as a human being, great player and the best ever though IMO. He is far from class.

[DMC]

in the world stage? not sure I agree. I'm not even sure Babe is more popular than the candy bar



I guess we are having different understanding of the "world stage". I'm talking any joe off the street anywhere in the world. carry on then :tu

The issue is that you're an idiot. You said "pick any random big city in the world and ask if they know how Lebron is".

Ok, Miami.

You're so fucking stupid you cannot even rationalize yourself out of your own conundrum, you stupid son of a bitch.

[DMC]

:lmao all the soft ass faggots complaining about the GOAT's ruthlessness starting with HarlemBeta

Shut your cock hole, faggot. You're no one here, you should remember that.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Jordan fans that are ignorant to the fact that Dad Killer would smack the shit out of them if they even nodded their heads at him, tbh..

The man's Avante-ness got his own father killed, tbh..

[hater]

The issue is that you're an idiot. You said "pick any random big city in the world and ask if they know how Lebron is".

Ok, Miami.

:lmao thats not random you stupid cun-t :lol

come back to the conversation once youve learned the meaning of random :rolleyes


You're so fucking stupid you cannot even rationalize yourself out of your own conundrum, you stupid son of a bitch.

:lmao meltdown

[thunderup]

Shut your cock hole, faggot. You're no one here, you should remember that.
Who the fuck are you? You should know your god damn role, injun. Don't rude talk to those who are superior to you.

[lefty]

wake me up when wild tribes in the sahara are sporting Lebrons :lmao

http://www.photostaud.com/img/fotogalerie/samburu-in-nyiru-mountains-destination/kenya-samburu-nyiru-137.3.jpg

WTF are you talking about


They have Lebron jerseys in 3rd World countries


http://worldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2010/07/09/cs_lebron_jersey_color_t460.jpg?926875e5be5f93a8dc 1e86b8d949ee54b77d1e0d

[DMC]

Who the fuck are you? You should know your god damn role, injun. Don't rude talk to those who are superior to you.

You heard me, faggot. Zip your fucking meat sock.

[DMC]

:lmao thats not random you stupid cun-t :lol

come back to the conversation once youve learned the meaning of random :rolleyes



:lmao meltdown

You had to edit "meltdown" because you're too fucking stupid to get it right the first time.

So you mean a specific random city. Got it, idiot. Get back upstairs with your kind, you water headed fuck.

[thunderup]

You heard me, faggot. Zip your fucking meat sock.
Shouldn't you be dancing around a fire? No wonder your kind are weak. Isn't it funny my superiority over you originates from our very own ancestors of dozens of generations back.

:lol I love it, partner. You're my door mat. Thanks Obama

[Buddy Mignon]

Shouldn't you be dancing around a fire? No wonder your kind are weak. Isn't it funny my superiority over you originates from our very own ancestors of dozens of generations back.

:lol I love it, partner. You're my door mat. Thanks Obama

Why do you keep calling him injun? Is he part of the extinct tribe... let me in on this.

[Stabula]

lol

[scanry]

"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his *** into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King a new one

Stacey was and still is a Jordan groupie.

[hater]

You had to edit "meltdown" because you're too fucking stupid to get it right the first time.

So you mean a specific random city. Got it, idiot. Get back upstairs with your kind, you water headed fuck.

:rolleyes oh boy it takes a special type of grade A stupid to write shit like this. wow, just... wow

let me help you out boy. Let's say there are 50,000 cities in the world. A true random algorithm would take a few hundred runs BEFORE it spits out anything close to Miami. And that's best case scenario, most likely it would take a lot more than that to hit Miami.

that's why you bringing up Miami as some sort of trump card is plain retarded, dipshit :lol

[hater]

"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his *** into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King a new one

Stacey was and still is a Jordan groupie.

sometimes truth helps build a better person. I'm sure Stacey is grateful to the GOAT

the same cannot be said about most of these mentally soft NBA "superstars" of today tbh they don't wanna hear the TRUTH

[Juggity]

curious what you mean by sold his soul....

I mean he sacrificed all human decency for the maniacal pursuit of glory. That's was the price of what he wanted to achieve. You can't be the "greatest ever" unless you're willing to step on all others in every respect — physically, emotionally etc.

I mean that he sold his soul in a metaphorical sense. He decided to dedicate his life to being the best basketball player to the detriment of all else. I'm not criticizing Jordan's decision, really. Just noting that most people (when it comes down to it) would not be willing to give up all basic human decency for the outside chance that through excruciating hard work, exceptional luck, and total dedication they might become the greatest basketball player of all time.

[DMC]

Shouldn't you be dancing around a fire? No wonder your kind are weak. Isn't it funny my superiority over you originates from our very own ancestors of dozens of generations back.

:lol I love it, partner. You're my door mat. Thanks Obama

Yet the very state in which you live is named after a Choctaw word for "red people", not "red neck". What cuck ass mix breed are you and what prostitute spawned you into the gutter of that shithole you occupy?

[DMC]

:rolleyes oh boy it takes a special type of grade A stupid to write shit like this. wow, just... wow

let me help you out boy. Let's say there are 50,000 cities in the world. A true random algorithm would take a few hundred runs BEFORE it spits out anything close to Miami. And that's best case scenario, most likely it would take a lot more than that to hit Miami.

that's why you bringing up Miami as some sort of trump card is plain retarded, dipshit:lol


You had to edit again... :lol

You're flustered, you keep returning to your post with new ideas... :lol

You not understanding the term "random" :lol

[ambchang]

What Jordan did to Barkley, Russell first did to Wilt.

[jimbo]

it's pretty logical. Almost NOBODY watches golf, we are talking world stage now don't forget. Almost NOBODY watches NBA.

now that that's settled the question is how did ppl get to know Michael Jordan then? well IMO his popularity within the US just exploded outwards and infected pretty much any other country that watched US pop culture. That's it, Jordan went beyond the pop culture barrier. That mixed in with the dominance of Nike and the Dream Team back then made for a perfect storm.

Lebron has yet to even smell any of that.

wake me up when wild tribes in the sahara are sporting Lebrons :lmao




Who really gives a fuck about shithole africa and the middle east? Educated countries (Europe) know Tiger. Tbh most powerful white men watch golf, all of them would recognize Tiger.

[lefty]

What Jordan did to Barkley, Russell first did to Wilt.

11 rings


Psychopaths win :lol

[Killakobe81]

What Jordan did to Barkley, Russell first did to Wilt.

Truth. And Ali did to Joe Frazier as well ...

[AchillesHeel]

:lol Jordan fans that are ignorant to the fact that Dad Killer would smack the shit out of them if they even nodded their heads at him, tbh..

The man's Avante-ness got his own father killed, tbh..

:lol :toast

[irishock]

Dad Killer is one of the biggest scumbags to ever step on an NBA court, tbh..he's a piece of shit on every level..terrible teammate with poor leadership skills, but benefited from having arguably the greatest combination of body/athleticism/talent, along with playing under Phil Jackson, which masked his flaws as a leader/team player, tbh..

Dad Killer did dominate his shitty era and the usual 6'3 perimeter players that would guard him, can't take that away from him, although he did always have the best cast in the league, tbh:lol..

DK was great for the NBA, obviously..his reign at the top was the peak of the NBA's popularity, David Stern/Nike did a masterful job in promoting him as a likeable figure, when in reality, he was an abhorrent human being that would have killed the NBA had the White public known about his real personality:lol..

He was horrible for the NBA after he retired, obviously..he spawned an era of iso players like Kobe, McGrady, Carter, Iverson, Carmelo, etc, with only Kobe having success, and he didn't win titles in the same way Jordan did, which is virtually impossible, since only DK had the combination of individual traits + circumstances to win that way IMO..this didn't stop the imitation failures, though..

Luckily, the NBA has changed in the Lebron era, yet there are many delusional fans that still hate:lmao..our current NBA has reverted to basketball in it's greatest form, promoting teamwork and unselfishness, with Miami and San Antonio leading the way, tbh..the other superstars at the top, like Durant/Paul, are also promoting unselfishness and team play, tbh..

The best teams in the NBA, Miami/SA/Indiana/Golden State/Clipps/Chicago, are all unselfish teams that promote defense and ball movement, tbh..

"DK" nickname is just fucking ingenious