View Full Version : Kawhi will NEVER make First Team All-NBA
PlayNando
11-19-2013, 09:10 PM
You heard it here first.
jARS mEsH sEt
11-19-2013, 09:12 PM
Whatever you say, PlayManu :lol (although I happen to agree with you. You're not really going out on a limb here)
Kool Bob Love
11-19-2013, 09:15 PM
Will he make 2nd team at least?
exstatic
11-19-2013, 09:19 PM
So? Nando will never be a fulltime starter for SA, so KL is already miles ahead.
jARS mEsH sEt
11-19-2013, 09:41 PM
So? Nando will never be a fulltime starter for SA, so KL is already miles ahead.
PlayNando isn't a Nando fan. He's a Manu fan.
Holden_Caulfield
11-19-2013, 09:45 PM
lol no shit sherlock, not while kd, lebron, paul george and harden is in the league, way to go out on a limb dumbass :lol
Juanobili
11-19-2013, 09:58 PM
the fact that you think that's a bold prediction says a lot about kawhi, actually
Duncan2177
11-19-2013, 10:14 PM
You heard it here first.
Ok Nostradamus
letmk
11-19-2013, 10:19 PM
So? Neiher Tony nor Manu was ever in first-team, but the Spurs won 3 champions with them.
DesignatedT
11-19-2013, 10:20 PM
Lol ok.
anakha
11-19-2013, 10:23 PM
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Juggity
11-19-2013, 10:28 PM
I can see Kawhi being the best player on a title team — given that the team is constructed like the 2004 Pistons, with all around defensive effort and great chemistry and a group of at least 5 high caliber players and roleplayers filling out the roster.
Skull-1
11-19-2013, 10:34 PM
You heard it here first.
Trolling, per par.
Mikeanaro
11-19-2013, 10:37 PM
Who cares? Spurs are not about All Star games or stupid things like First Team Second whatever, San Antonio is not the place if you wanna be a big marketed player like Dwert
GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
11-20-2013, 12:42 AM
While we're making bold predictions...
Boris Diaw will never finish top 5 in MVP voting
You heard it here first!!
PlayNando
11-20-2013, 12:55 AM
:lol
Nando will never make first team all D-League
jARS mEsH sEt
11-20-2013, 01:24 AM
Nando will never make first team all D-League
You're falling into his trap. Badmouthing Nando does nothing to stir PlayNando's emotions. Like I said, PlayNando is die hard Manu fan and if you want to rile him up you should talk about how Manu single-handedly cost us game 6, for example or how he's a TOSB who will never sniff 45% (FG%) ever again because his shooting is atrocious.
Prime Time
11-20-2013, 01:26 AM
I could see Kawhi passing Harden if he has a 20/10 season with amazing D at SG, But the odds of that happening aren't blazing.
Still, I feel like people are being too hard on Kawhi. When it's quite obvious the system is what causes Kawhi to struggle offensively. Kawhi is best when placed inside or open on the perimeter for a mid-range jumper, but Spurs' offense relies him to be outside the arch way too much. And despite the improved shooting mechanics, Kawhi just isn't a natural thee point specialist.. But he has shown flashes of brilliance off the dribble/inside the paint, which is really what he thrives off of.
Notice how he was last season, in the games where the big 3 were out? He was always near the paint, which increased his rebounding/shot efficiency. That's just the kind of player he is. Spurs are using him wrong, and as of now it's dumb to say he can't do this or he will do that. Reminds me of how OKC fans underestimated Harden, and how they thought M:lolrtin would be a solid replacement.
jARS mEsH sEt
11-20-2013, 01:32 AM
I could see Kawhi passing Harden if he has a 20/10 season with amazing D at SG, But the odds of that happening aren't blazing.
Still, I feel like people are being too hard on Kawhi. When it's quite obvious the system is what causes Kawhi to struggle offensively. Kawhi is best when placed inside or open on the perimeter for a mid-range jumper, but Spurs' offense relies him to be outside the arch way too much. And despite the improved shooting mechanics, Kawhi just isn't a natural thee point specialist.. But he has shown flashes of brilliance off the dribble/inside the paint, which is really what he thrives off of.
Notice how he was last season, in the games where the big 3 were out? He was always near the paint, which increased his rebounding/shot efficiency. That's just the kind of player he is. Spurs are using him wrong, and as of now it's dumb to say he can't do this or he will do that. Reminds me of how OKC fans underestimated Harden, and how they thought M:lolrtin would be a solid replacement.
Kawhi's mid range game is pretty mediocre. His pull up mid range jumper is probably the most inefficient shot in the game. I'm not too keen about him having that as a "go to" move. I'd rather see him post up.
The main area where Kawhi is lacking right now is dribbling the ball and that pretty much eliminates any possibility of having an elite perimeter game.
That's why I'd rather see Kawhi post up more or spot up on the perimeter and have others create for him.
Prime Time
11-20-2013, 01:43 AM
Kawhi's mid range game is pretty mediocre. His pull up mid range jumper is probably the most inefficient shot in the game. I'm not too keen about him having that as a "go to" move. I'd rather see him post up.
The main area where Kawhi is lacking right now is dribbling the ball and that pretty much eliminates any possibility of having an elite perimeter game.
That's why I'd rather see Kawhi post up more or spot up on the perimeter and have others create for him.
Really? Maybe we're watching 2 different Kawhi's, because his pull-jumper has been pretty efficient in the past. Last season he shot .47% from 10-23 feet, which was actually higher than Klay Thompson's. Granted Kawhi did average 1.9 less shots from that area, but still better than just "mediocre" IMO. Haha that's odd actually! I always felt his post game was a working progress, He seems to lose control of the ball whenever he posts up. Like it doesn't seem natural.
Again, he's better than most people give him credit for. Probably because Spurs fans expect a lot out of their players.
howbouthemspurs
11-20-2013, 01:46 AM
He is young and has a lot of room to improve! In a few years he'll be the number one guy on the team!
Chinook
11-20-2013, 02:40 AM
Kawhi is overrated. I have no idea how some people are getting the idea that anyone is underestimating him. Even his biggest detractors on this board think he is a good player with good potential who can be a championship piece. But we don't think he can be the best player on a championship team--or even a decent playoff team. We don't give him credit for other people's success. The Chicago game aside, Leonard's halfcourt game has been weak unless he gets a favorable matchup like Mike Miller.
As I said a year ago, people want to make young players out to be something they're not instead of just appreciating what they bring. Leonard is a high-end role-player in the same way that Chris Bosh is on the Heat. And that's okay. He was even a better third banana than Bosh was in the Finals. But don't be fooled into thinking he's more than that. He was literally the lowest priority for Miami during the majority of the series.
Get him in the post instead of trying to make him a perimeter iso player.
jARS mEsH sEt
11-20-2013, 02:47 AM
Really? Maybe we're watching 2 different Kawhi's, because his pull-jumper has been pretty efficient in the past. Last season he shot .47% from 10-23 feet, which was actually higher than Klay Thompson's. Granted Kawhi did average 1.9 less shots from that area, but still better than just "mediocre" IMO. Haha that's odd actually! I always felt his post game was a working progress, He seems to lose control of the ball whenever he posts up. Like it doesn't seem natural.
Again, he's better than most people give him credit for. Probably because Spurs fans expect a lot out of their players.
Well I just mean in general, a long 2 is the most inefficient shot on the court.
Shooting 47% from mid range is equivalent (exactly) to shooting 31.3% from 3 point range. Both will net you the same number of points. If he's going to take long 2s from mid range he might as well spot up from 3, let others create for him, and take a more efficient shot. I know he he's capable of breaking 31.3% from 3 point land to make it worth it.
Kawhi is overrated. I have no idea how some people are getting the idea that anyone is underestimating him. Even his biggest detractors on this board think he is a good player with good potential who can be a championship piece. But we don't think he can be the best player on a championship team--or even a decent playoff team. We don't give him credit for other people's success. The Chicago game aside, Leonard's halfcourt game has been weak unless he gets a favorable matchup like Mike Miller.
As I said a year ago, people want to make young players out to be something they're not instead of just appreciating what they bring. Leonard is a high-end role-player in the same way that Chris Bosh is on the Heat. And that's okay. He was even a better third banana than Bosh was in the Finals. But don't be fooled into thinking he's more than that. He was literally the lowest priority for Miami during the majority of the series.
Get him in the post instead of trying to make him a perimeter iso player.
But even in the post he's not that big and strong for a SF, he knows how to play in the post to exploit mismatches like in the GS series but I don't see a dominant post player at the 3, actually I see him get pushed around by the bigger SF that post him defensively... I think we're seeing his limitations and I'm not sold that he can break the wall and get to the next level... I love him but you're right he's kinda overrated because of how young and likable he is.
Chinook
11-20-2013, 03:46 AM
But even in the post he's not that big and strong for a SF, he knows how to play in the post to exploit mismatches like in the GS series but I don't see a dominant post player at the 3, actually I see him get pushed around by the bigger SF that post him defensively... I think we're seeing his limitations and I'm not sold that he can break the wall and get to the next level... I love him but you're right he's kinda overrated because of how young and likable he is.
I think Kawhi will be all right in the post since we're seeing the league trend more to smaller players. If he can get crafty, he has the length and body control to finish over and around most big players. And he has the strength to take smaller wings already. It's not like he's a weakling.
I also think he should work in setting screens. If a beanpole like Durant can do it, Kawhi should be able to as well. A Parker/Leonard PnR would be pretty cool to see.
ElNono
11-20-2013, 04:01 AM
I hope he makes it. I think he can grow into something special. He's only 22. Players don't normally peak until they're 26, 28 or so... he doesn't have one dominant aspect that screams "franchise", like Lebron's athleticism or Timmy's skill when they walked into the league. Then again, non top-10 picks rarely do. He's surrounded by players that understand the game and that can only help him. He's definitely the guy to keep an eye on as far as development is concerned.
ElNono
11-20-2013, 04:03 AM
I mean, if he does make it, it probably means he had a better season than Lebron or Durant or Paul George... that would spell good news for the Spurs. Who wouldn't want that?
apalisoc_9
11-20-2013, 04:14 AM
So? Neiher Tony nor Manu was ever in first-team, but the Spurs won 3 champions with them.
Parker should have been first team in the last couple of years. Awards like these are meanigless.
Chinook
11-20-2013, 04:28 AM
I mean, if he does make it, it probably means he had a better season than Lebron or Durant or Paul George... that would spell good news for the Spurs. Who wouldn't want that?
Pretty sure we all WANT it, Nono. Hell, I'd love to see Kawhi challenge for top three player in franchise history. It's more about whether we should be projecting him to reach that goal. I don't see it. He has a chance at All-Defense or third team, All-NBA or even second if Davis starts getting in at center. There's nothing wrong with being a lesser star like Iggy or Zach Randolph.
ElNono
11-20-2013, 04:42 AM
Pretty sure we all WANT it, Nono. Hell, I'd love to see Kawhi challenge for top three player in franchise history. It's more about whether we should be projecting him to reach that goal. I don't see it. He has a chance at All-Defense or third team, All-NBA or even second if Davis starts getting in at center. There's nothing wrong with being a lesser star like Iggy or Zach Randolph.
Fair enough
Pretty sure we all WANT it, Nono. Hell, I'd love to see Kawhi challenge for top three player in franchise history. It's more about whether we should be projecting him to reach that goal. I don't see it. He has a chance at All-Defense or third team, All-NBA or even second if Davis starts getting in at center. There's nothing wrong with being a lesser star like Iggy or Zach Randolph.
Iggy and Randolph are not on the same level, Randolph was pretty much the first banana on a contender or close enough...
Chinook
11-20-2013, 05:40 AM
Iggy and Randolph are not on the same level, Randolph was pretty much the first banana on a contender or close enough...
The Grizzlies are only contenders because of Gasol. I agree that Zach is probably a stronger star than Iggy, but the only year Z-Bo was clearly their best player, Memphis only managed the eighth seed.
Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker have zero first team nods between then.
Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker have zero first team nods between then.
But they got to play their whole nba career with someone who did, Pop did say that he could become "the face of the franchise", sounds like the Spurs are gonna become the Denver Nuggets if that's the case...
But they got to play their whole nba career with someone who did, Pop did say that he could become "the face of the franchise", sounds like the Spurs are gonna become the Denver Nuggets if that's the case...
There's a good chance the Spurs can get another guy to pair with him.
And Kobe had zero First Team nods before Shaq left IIRC.
Diego20
11-20-2013, 09:12 AM
Parker should have been first team in the last couple of years. Awards like these are meanigless.
There are better guards than Tony, like Derrick Rose or Rusell Westbrook and even Chris Paul. All of them average more or less the same points per game but MORE ASSISTS. All NBA Second Team is OK for TP.
cd021
11-20-2013, 10:31 AM
Well I just mean in general, a long 2 is the most inefficient shot on the court.
Shooting 47% from mid range is equivalent (exactly) to shooting 31.3% from 3 point range. Both will net you the same number of points. If he's going to take long 2s from mid range he might as well spot up from 3, let others create for him, and take a more efficient shot. I know he he's capable of breaking 31.3% from 3 point land to make it worth it.
He doesn't take many long range two's. If he does, he likely stepped on the 3pt line. He's not Michael Beasley. His mid range in usually in the 15-18 feet. He is an above average midrange shooter and long range shooter too (This season, has been rough to start granted).
cd021
11-20-2013, 10:44 AM
There are better guards than Tony, like Derrick Rose or Rusell Westbrook and even Chris Paul. All of them average more or less the same points per game but MORE ASSISTS. All NBA Second Team is OK for TP.
Its highly debatable whether Westbrook is a better PG. He consistently shoots in the low 40% range while Parker usually finishes above 50%FG. Parker averaged 20 ppg last season while playing just 32 mpg. Westbrook does get to the line like crazy though.
NickiRasgo
11-20-2013, 10:48 AM
Don't feed timvp. :lol
Kidd K
11-20-2013, 11:04 AM
No shit? He has to compete with LeBron and Durant now and Durant for his whole career.
You're not exactly going out on a limb here.
Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
11-20-2013, 11:20 AM
You're falling into his trap. Badmouthing Nando does nothing to stir PlayNando's emotions.
WHAT!!!! Did he burn down Nando's church already???
DJR210
11-20-2013, 11:55 AM
All-NBA is a reach, let's focus on helping the team through the system with solid D, and the corner 3. If he happens to attend a few All-Star games, great, the coaches would have to vote him in which isn't unrealistic.
He went on record after he attended the All-Star festivities as a rookie as "wanting to attend the All-Star game every year" - Attitude is the start, and who is to say that isn't an attainable goal for him if he continues to stay humble and work hard?
Skull-1
11-20-2013, 12:58 PM
You're falling into his trap. Badmouthing Nando does nothing to stir PlayNando's emotions. Like I said, PlayNando is die hard Manu fan and if you want to rile him up you should talk about how Manu single-handedly cost us game 6, for example or how he's a TOSB who will never sniff 45% (FG%) ever again because his shooting is atrocious.
^^^^^^^^ This!
Arcadian
11-20-2013, 02:04 PM
Kawhi will NEVER make First Team All-NBA
:lol That's probably because he's playing in the Lebron era.
Wow, what a bold fucking prediction!
PlayNando
11-20-2013, 02:08 PM
You're falling into his trap. Badmouthing Nando does nothing to stir PlayNando's emotions. Like I said, PlayNando is die hard Manu fan and if you want to rile him up you should talk about how Manu single-handedly cost us game 6, for example or how he's a TOSB who will never sniff 45% (FG%) ever again because his shooting is atrocious.
:lol
PlayNando
11-20-2013, 02:09 PM
Nando will never make first team all D-League
No, because, he won't play in the D-League. He will make a very good starting PG in Europe, though. The Spurs will miss him once they see what he does over there and we'll all realize that he TRULY was the one that got away.......
DJR210
11-20-2013, 02:22 PM
No, because, he won't play in the D-League. He will make a very good starting PG in Europe, though. The Spurs will miss him once they see what he does over there and we'll all realize that he TRULY was the one that got away.......
You would have thought we learned our lesson w/ Spanoulis..
wildcardX
11-20-2013, 09:01 PM
I hope he makes it. I think he can grow into something special. He's only 22. Players don't normally peak until they're 26, 28 or so... he doesn't have one dominant aspect that screams "franchise", like Lebron's athleticism or Timmy's skill when they walked into the league. Then again, non top-10 picks rarely do. He's surrounded by players that understand the game and that can only help him. He's definitely the guy to keep an eye on as far as development is concerned.
That's about right. He still could make the all star team sometime in the future. He doesn't have to be a top 5 player in the league, if the Spurs can get a couple more players like him they can continue to be a top playoff team.
Rogue
11-20-2013, 09:51 PM
Kawhi still makes the spurs first team before Nando does though.
PlayNando
11-20-2013, 10:53 PM
Kawhi still makes the spurs first team before Nando does though.
Neither of them does, tbh.
TheGreatYacht
11-21-2013, 02:57 AM
Nando will be back in the euro scrub league when his contract is up
FACT.
TampaDude
11-21-2013, 08:56 AM
You heard it here first.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m296/cimmeriansnake/ponch.jpg
BillMc
11-21-2013, 09:53 AM
Kawhi will make the defensive team before he makes an All NBA team (if he ever does). He doesn't score enough for All NBA, but the way he rebounds, gets steals and generally plays well on defense he could possibly sneak onto the defensive second team as soon as this year.
apalisoc_9
11-21-2013, 11:22 AM
Not really a bold statement tbh, but one negative quality of kawhi leonard is trying to fit too much and just the general lack of assertiveness on his part. It almost feel like Pop has to tell him to be aggressive everytime for him to be aggressive. Take yestarday's game for example, he exploded in the third and we all know someone lit his ass up in half time. Same thing has happened before..
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