Vince Young or Johnny Manziel?

[benefactor]

Which player is your starting QB if you are starting a college team?

[Spursfan092120]

This was a tough one...but I went with Vince. He played against tougher competition and was more dominant. Come to think about it...it's really not that tough. It's Vince...period.

[Sisk]

Johnny. Better passer and a more elusive runner.

[ThePop]

So, it depends. If I pick Johnny, does he come with Mike Evans? If not, I choose Vince.

[Sisk]

So, it depends. If I pick Johnny, does he come with Mike Evans? If not, I choose Vince.

I will agree with this. Would definitely be interested to see how Johnny would be without Mike, but I definitely do not want to see it happen.

[benefactor]

Vince beat not one, but two top five teams on their home turf in the same season. Pretty legendary feat.

I'll take Vince.

[Sisk]

So would you consider AJ McCarron then? He beat #5 LSU and #1 Notre Dame last year. Neither at home.

[DesignatedT]

Manziel. Give Manziel an average defense this year and he has a National Championship also.

[DesignatedT]

Tickets were allotted 50/50 in that Texas/USC game. Stop saying you beat 2 top 5 teams on the road. Doesn't work that way.

Manziel beat the National Champion on the road in front of 100k of their fans. That's a legendary feat. Not to mention he did it as a freshman and not a junior.

[Phillip]

Manziel. Give Manziel an average defense this year and he has a National Championship also.

lol take Evans away from Johnny and he isn't even in consideration for heisman this year, defense or not

[Blake]

Lol Vince

[Vito Corleone]

2k5 Ohio state had one of the top defenses I've ever seen. Vince owned them. Vince hands down was the most dominate player in 2k5.

Now if Manziel stayed for his junior year or his senior year I might actually pick Manziel, but his one signature win was against a sleeping Alabama team. As great as he is, I would still take Vince in a skinny second.

[DesignatedT]

Vince was a beast no doubt. He was physically too much to handle for college defenders. Manziel is a much better QB though when it comes to skills. He will prove that in the NFL.

[Phillip]

Vince was a beast no doubt. He was physically too much to handle for college defenders. Manziel is a much better QB though when it comes to skills. He will prove that in the NFL.

HAHAHAHAHA no.

[Sisk]

HAHAHAHAHA no.

I would love to make a ban bet with you that Johnny will have a better NFL career than Vince. Of course, that will take a year or two. But it would be the easiest bet I have ever won.

[Phillip]

I would love to make a ban bet with you that Johnny will have a better NFL career than Vince. Of course, that will take a year or two. But it would be the easiest bet I have ever won.

hm... offensive ROY, 2x pro bowl, 2 playoff appearances, 13 game winning drives and 7 4th quarter comebacks, winning record over his career

ill take that bet :lol

[Robz4000]

Vince and it's not close.

[ThePop]

In order for that bet to be fair Johnny will have to be drafted by the Rams.

[benefactor]

So would you consider AJ McCarron then? He beat #5 LSU and #1 Notre Dame last year. Neither at home.
:lol....:lol:lol

[Sisk]

:lol....:lol:lol

Yeah, basing your choice off of wins is a bit ridiculous.

[DesignatedT]

:lol vince' nfl career.

[Phillip]

Yeah, basing your choice off of wins is a bit ridiculous.
so winning isnt important? :rollin

[Phillip]

:lol vince' nfl career.
:lol johnny bound to actually be worse in the NFL than vince

[DesignatedT]

lol bound

[dirk4mvp]

:lol johnny bound to actually be worse in the NFL than vince

All he really has to do to match VY's nfl career is have someone take shirtless photos of him and Justin Blackmon in da club next year.

[Phillip]

All he really has to do to match VY's nfl career is have someone take shirtless photos of him and Justin Blackmon in da club next year.

instead he has photos doing hook em in austin

:lmao hates his own school

[DMX7]

He has a longhorn tattoo too, lol.

[DesignatedT]

Vince Young's Junior Season:

Passing - 3,3036 yards. 65.2 % completion percentage. 26 touchdowns 10 interceptions.
Rushing - 1,1050 yards. 6.8 yards per rush. 12 touchdowns.
Total - 4,086 yards. 38 touchdowns.

Johnny Manziel's Freshman Season:

Passing - 3706 yards. 68% completion percentage. 26 touchdowns. 9 interceptions.
Rushing - 1,410 yards. 7.0 per rushing attempt. 21 touchdowns.
Total - 5,116 yards. 47 touchdowns.

[DMX7]

Vince Young's Junior Season:

MNC - 1.

Johnny Manziel's Freshman Season:

MNC - 0.

Vince won two Rose Bowls too.

[DesignatedT]

Must have been nice to have a top 5 defense behind you.

[Holden_Caulfield]

does manziel come with that o line? if so i choose manziel :lol

[DesignatedT]

Last years O - Line >>>>> this years.

[FkLA]

Vince took down a USC team that was considered the greatest of all-time. Reigning, undefeated champs that were also undefeated going into that Rose Bowl.

Johnny took down todays equivalent of USC in Alabama although on a smaller stage and is clearly better statistically. Better passer and we've only seen the freshman/sophomore version.

I was a t-shirt UT fan and loved Vince but I'd probably give the slight edge to JFF tbh.

[Sisk]

He has a longhorn tattoo too, lol.

You're joking, right?

[Vito Corleone]

Must have been nice to have a top 5 defense behind you.

True but for a QB it's probably much better to be playing behind an offensive line with 3 1st round draft picks. Really where would Manziel be without that oline blocking for him.

You can talk about how shitty Sherman was as a coach, but the man knew how to find and develop an offensive line. Seriously, about the only offensive line I've seen that tops the line the aggsy have is the Nebraska line from the early 80's with Dave Remmington and Dean Steinculer. Even that line didn't produce 3 highly rated 1st round draft picks.

I was watching MNF couple weeks ago, and watching the Viking QB scramble for a first down and take a vicious hit that separated his shoulder. After watching that hit, then I realized, this was going to be Manziel's future. He makes one of those improvised scrambles like Ponder did and he will be in a body bag.

I don't know if Manziel will have a better career than Vince since Vince killed his career with a bad attitude and he was uncoachable. If Manziel can keep his attitude in check and accept coaching, I have a feeling he will be better than Vince. Vince himself had more God given ability than any QB in the history of the game, but Vince killed Vince with his attitude.

[The Reckoning]

vince won a championship against one of the most stacked teams of the decade

/thread

[elbamba]

I like Manziel but he has to win a BCS and a national championship game before this is even a discussion.

[benefactor]

Yeah, basing your choice off of wins is a bit ridiculous.
As is being horribly intellectually dishonest.

[Blake]

Do we have to start them out as freshmen?

If so, I think Manziel is the no brainer.

Has he even peaked?

[Pelicans78]

Manziel was better as a redshirt freshmen and probably as a redshirt sophomore even though VY was really good his sophomore season.

[Phillip]

Vince Young's Junior Season:

Passing - 3,3036 yards. 65.2 % completion percentage. 26 touchdowns 10 interceptions.
Rushing - 1,1050 yards. 6.8 yards per rush. 12 touchdowns.
Total - 4,086 yards. 38 touchdowns.

Johnny Manziel's Freshman Season:

Passing - 3706 yards. 68% completion percentage. 26 touchdowns. 9 interceptions.
Rushing - 1,410 yards. 7.0 per rushing attempt. 21 touchdowns.
Total - 5,116 yards. 47 touchdowns.

Johnny also had 109 more pass attempts and 46 more rushing attempts.

Not to mention, Texas was blowing everyone out that season, so Vince frequently was sitting in second halves and just handing the ball off to kill clock.

Statistically, Colt was a better overall QB than Vince, but everyone knows Vince >>> Colt.

Stats don't tell the whole story. Any retard who watches knows by looking at Vince's performances on the biggest stages in his games against Ohio St, Michigan, and USC.


On the other end, it's kind of unfair to compare bowl wins right now since Johnny hasn't had at least 3 full years of playing. Not to mention that the 05 Texas team is among the top 5 individual college football teams of all time. I don't doubt that if given a good team, Johnny would win an MNC as well. However, as I said before, the difference maker to me is that I don't think that Johnny would have been able to have a performance like Vince had against a team like USC (that USC team >>>>>>>>>> any of these recent Alabama teams). Vince simply had more natural gifts and talent than Johnny.

[JohnnyMax]

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[DMX7]

You're joking, right?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lancemadden/2013/03/12/heisman-qb-johnny-manziel-has-a-texas-longhorns-tattoo/

[DMX7]

vince won a championship against one of the most stacked teams of the decade

/thread

Against a team with two Heisman trophey winners (at the time, at least).

[benefactor]

Against a team with two Heisman trophey winners (at the time, at least).
:crybut McCarron beat some ranked teams too:cry

[Michael Jordan.]

Take Manziel away from Evans, and put Evans with Vince. Does Vince still win? Of Course.

[leemajors]

tough choice. I'd flip a coin tbh you're not really losing with either.

[Sisk]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lancemadden/2013/03/12/heisman-qb-johnny-manziel-has-a-texas-longhorns-tattoo/

Its fake......... You're very late on this.

[FkLA]

btw nice avatar benefactor, real cute tbh :lmao

[Pelicans78]

That USC team in 2005 didn't have much of a defense. They were lit up a few times that season and survived close wins against Notre Dame and Fresno State. The 2004 team was better especially defensively.

[Blake]

Nobody is asking, but I'll take 2007 lol Harrell in Leach offense with Crab over both those guys.

5700 yards, 71.8%, 48 TDs.

K, thanks

[Bill_Brasky]

I'll take freshman Heisman winner over chimp tbh

[Michael Jordan.]

I'll take freshman Heisman winner over chimp tbh
What's the difference?

[Michael Jordan.]

I guess some don't remember Vince was dominant enough to carry the whole team and no one could really stop him. With Manziel, just bring pressure up the middle, stay in your lanes, and contain the edges. He'll get flustered and just throw the ball up for grabs.

[Bill_Brasky]

take cam over both

[Blake]

I guess some don't remember Vince was dominant enough to carry the whole team and no one could really stop him. With Manziel, just bring pressure up the middle, stay in your lanes, and contain the edges. He'll get flustered and just throw the ball up for grabs.

Guess some also don't remember Cedric Benson and Jamaal Charles.

Or the 2004 red river skunking.

[Michael Jordan.]

Guess some also don't remember Cedric Benson and Jamaal Charles.

Or the 2004 red river skunking.
Jamaal did very little in the NC game, and didn't really become dominant until the next year. Vince was simply more dominant, especially when the team was down big.

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[Michael Jordan.]

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[Blake]

No question VY had some of the best individual games in college football history under the brightest lights, but he had his share of shit games.

what's Johnny's worst game so far?

[Michael Jordan.]

No question VY had some of the best individual games in college football history under the brightest lights, but he had his share of shit games.

what's Johnny's worst game so far?
Haven't seen all of his games so Idk. It's about impact, Johnny gets his stats but alot of it comes from broken plays, or just running around and throwing the ball up. He's had some shit games too. Vince couldn't read a playbook and dominated.

[Michael Jordan.]

You're joking, right?
http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/johnny-manziel-beer-pong-shorts-longhorns-tattoo.jpeg

[DesignatedT]

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[elbamba]

Was it LSU last year where he had 3 picks. That would probably be the only bad game he has had. I think he also played crappy against Florida last year. That said, not very many and they were not memorable games.

[Sisk]

No words for the people that thought that was real...

[Sisk]

Was it LSU last year where he had 3 picks. That would probably be the only bad game he has had. I think he also played crappy against Florida last year. That said, not very many and they were not memorable games.

Florida was his first game in college...

[The Reckoning]

lol at the poll results. aggie still having those delusions of grandeur.

[Michael Jordan.]

lol at the poll results. aggie still having those delusions of grandeur.

Nothing new there.

[Sisk]

lol at the poll results. aggie still having those delusions of grandeur.

What do yall have currently?

[DesignatedT]

lol at the poll results. aggie still having those delusions of grandeur.

Like they're equal numbers of horns and aggies on this board.

[Bill_Brasky]

lol at the poll results. aggie still having those delusions of grandeur.

yeah, and Texas was gonna compete for a big 12 championship this year right? :lmao

[Michael Jordan.]

yeah, and Texas was gonna compete for a big 12 championship this year right? :lmao

Who said that?

[Bill_Brasky]

Who said that?

your head coach.

[Michael Jordan.]

your head coach.

Everyone knows Mack is senile and mismanages talent. Didn't see any fans say it.

[monosylab1k]

Over their entire careers Johnny is overall greater. I also think he's more fun to watch. But when it comes to their peak performances, it's not even close. Vince's NCG performance is the greatest individual performance I've ever seen.

[DMX7]

yeah, and Texas was gonna compete for a big 12 championship this year right? :lmao

By the end of the night, Texas will likely be in 2nd place despite the shit performance from last week. I think that qualifies as "competing".

[benefactor]

:lol...I think this is settled.

[jeebus]

at this point, I'd take Eric Soza over Manziel

[Michael Jordan.]

I tried to tell Aggyfan about Johnny Interception but they wouldn't listen.

[DMX7]

So has Aggy finally come to its senses (if it has any) after that shit performance?

[Clipper Nation]

your head coach.
:lol Judging Texasfan expectations based on MackBrownTurdFaggot's blither

[Bill_Brasky]

:lol Judging Texasfan expectations based on MackBrownTurdFaggot's blither

considering most were still snuggled nice and tight into his gooch to begin the season, im pretty sure it's safe to say that most every texasfan was drinking that capri sun.

[Michael Jordan.]

considering most were still snuggled nice and tight into his gooch to begin the season, im pretty sure it's safe to say that most every texasfan was drinking that capri sun.
Example? No one was on the Mack bandwagon. Especially after losing seasons.

[ThePop]

Is this the first poll aggy has lost?

[Michael Jordan.]

Where is aggy?

[DesignatedT]

Where is aggy?

the obsession is fantastic.

[Michael Jordan.]

the obsession is fantastic.
This thread is about an aggy, :lol Just curious what your thoughts on the topic were

[DesignatedT]

This thread is about an aggy, :lol Just curious what your thoughts on the topic were

Thoughts on your obsession? Kinda cute like a middle school crush but pretty creepy overall.

[Michael Jordan.]

Thoughts on your obsession? Kinda cute like a middle school crush but pretty creepy overall.
The topic son. In the OP. Or do you not know what a topic is?

[Sisk]

The topic son. In the OP. Or do you not know what a topic is?

Just admit that we are in your head.

[Michael Jordan.]

Just admit that we are in your head.
You are posting in a thread which involves a question. What are your thoughts?

[Sisk]

You are posting in a thread which involves a question. What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are that you're obsessed with all things Texas A&M.

[Michael Jordan.]

My thoughts are that you're obsessed with all things Texas A&M.
I didn't make the thread. And it appears as if you don't want to answer the question in the OP.

[Vito Corleone]

Obsession is a funny word coming out of the mouths of Sisk and DesignatedT. As I'm making this post there are 92 total posts in this thread. Of those 92 posts Sisk has posted 12 times and DesignatedT has posted 12 times. That is 24 out of 92 posts or 27%

Now I ask who is obsessed?

[Bill_Brasky]

^probably the guy pulling out the calculator and running figures on who is "more obsessed".

[DMX7]

Years after a heartbreaking loss in the 2006 national championship, former USC quarterback Matt Leinart is offering praise to Vince Young.

When asked who he thought was the greatest quarterback in college football history, Leinart picked Young.

“My USC faithful is going to be mad at me, but I gotta say Vince Young,” Leinart said on a Fox Sports talk show. “And the only reason why, you look at his stats and his stats are staggering. He’s over 6,000 passing yards, over 3,000 rushing yards so he could do both things.

“For me, I personally witnessed him take away my quest for a third national championship. We had a great defense and nothing against our team, but he single-handedly beat us in the national championship game.”

Young’s performance in the 2006 Rose Bowl was one for the ages – he completed 30-of-40 passes for 267 yards and ran for 200 yards with three touchdowns as the underdog Longhorns topped the Trojans.




http://blog.chron.com/sportsupdate/2013/11/leinart-says-vince-young-is-the-best-college-qb-ever/

[Blake]

Vince Young wasn't effective throwing (8-of-23 for 86 yards) or running (16 times for 54 yards).Young also was sacked three times, twice knocking Texas out of field-goal range, and lost two fumbles. Benson lost one, too.Add these four scoreless quarters to a second-half shutout last year and the Longhorns have gone 93 minutes and 12 seconds without scoring on the Sooners.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=242830201

[Michael Jordan.]

So we're cherry picking games now?

[Sisk]

So we're cherry picking games now?

Coming from the guy harping on the LSU game and ignoring Johnny's dominance vs Bama.

[Michael Jordan.]

Coming from the guy harping on the LSU game and ignoring Johnny's dominance vs Bama.

Johnny has played other shitty games too. His stats look good because he can throw it up to Evans. Oh and you still haven't addressed the topic.

[Blake]

So we're cherry picking games now?

I didn't watch, but I'm betting there's no 2004 Red River clips in the YouTubes you posted.

So yeah, I guess we're cherry picking.

[Michael Jordan.]

I didn't watch, but I'm betting there's no 2004 Red River clips in the YouTubes you posted.

So yeah, I guess we're cherry picking.

That's all well. Vince's worst sure was better than the other chimp.

[Vito Corleone]

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=242830201

In 2004, Texas didn't have receivers, if you remember in 2003 Texas top 3 receivers graduated leaving the cup board pretty bare. In 2004 the best receivers was TE David Thomas and there was literally no receiver help after that.

In that game Vince threw to beautiful passes that hit freshmen Limas Sweed right in the hands that he dropped both would have been scores. None of our receivers could score a lick.

After that season our new WR coach came in and he made one big change going into the 2K5 season. Basically he told them to stop and catch the ball and once you have caught it begin to run. It worked our receivers the next year really cut down on their dropped passes.

I'm not saying Vince was a great passer that season, he wasn't, but it wasn't all his fault Texas was shut out in that game. BTW Benson had 124 all purpose yards in that game, so you can't blame Benson for that loss either.

[Vito Corleone]

^probably the guy pulling out the calculator and running figures on who is "more obsessed".

No I'm the guy that started laughing when I read those two idiots talking about obsessed when their fingerprints are all over this thread. If talking on a thread about Texas vs aggsy is being obsessed then that means they are obsessed since they have contributed 26 post in a thread just over 100 posts.

[Juan]

Manziel has fracture in throwing hand (http://lsu.247sports.com/Board/59425/Manziel-had-a-fracture-in-his-throwing-hand-23437930)

[DMX7]

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=242830201

30-2 as a starter, lol.

[Blake]

In 2004, Texas didn't have receivers, if you remember in 2003 Texas top 3 receivers graduated leaving the cup board pretty bare. In 2004 the best receivers was TE David Thomas and there was literally no receiver help after that.

In that game Vince threw to beautiful passes that hit freshmen Limas Sweed right in the hands that he dropped both would have been scores. None of our receivers could score a lick.

After that season our new WR coach came in and he made one big change going into the 2K5 season. Basically he told them to stop and catch the ball and once you have caught it begin to run. It worked our receivers the next year really cut down on their dropped passes.

I'm not saying Vince was a great passer that season, he wasn't, but it wasn't all his fault Texas was shut out in that game. BTW Benson had 124 all purpose yards in that game, so you can't blame Benson for that loss either.

Blame the receivers then.

[Blake]

30-2 as a starter, lol.



When the*St. Louis Rams*went bargain shopping for a new quarterback in the wake of Sam Bradford's*season-ending knee injury, they ended up with the less than inspired selections of*Brady Quinn*and*Austin Davis.

Vince Young, owner of a career 31-19 record as a starting quarterback, can't figure out why his phone never rang.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000268865/article/vince-young-doesnt-understand-why-hes-not-in-nfl

lol Vince

[DMX7]

lol Vince

Son, now you're really reaching. We're talking college football here... hence the original post.

[Blake]

Son, now you're really reaching. We're talking college football here... hence the original post.

It's a sidebar lol.

[Vito Corleone]

Vince in the NFL is a whole other issue. When Vince figures out why he isn't wanted in the NFL it will likely be too late for him. Maturity, humility and coachable are important assets when you need work on technique and throwing ability. Vince has none of them.

[DMX7]

Vince in the NFL is a whole other issue. When Vince figures out why he isn't wanted in the NFL it will likely be too late for him. Maturity, humility and coachable are important assets when you need work on technique and throwing ability. Vince has none of them.

A lot of GMs seem to be risk averse when it comes to the QB position too.