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BatManu20
11-25-2013, 11:32 AM
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N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-25-2013, 11:34 AM
Welp, there goes the rumors of Kobe to Chicago in '14

jeebus
11-25-2013, 11:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X9E9n6GHC8

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 11:38 AM
2 years 100 million

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 11:39 AM
For how much?

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 11:40 AM
2 years 100 million

BatManu20
11-25-2013, 11:43 AM
Terms were not announced, but..

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BatManu20
11-25-2013, 11:45 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ7mNm3CEAAsibH.jpg:large

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 11:45 AM
Terms were not announced, but..

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#Fredooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo

jeebus
11-25-2013, 11:45 AM
this is now still relevant

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/21376_574130362638253_140756782_n.jpg?lvh=1

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 11:46 AM
Terms were not announced, but..

405013317833338880

That can't be true.

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 11:46 AM
That can't be true.
:lmao ya ass shakin

BatManu20
11-25-2013, 11:47 AM
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Boomersgold
11-25-2013, 11:50 AM
30.5 million for a hog who ruins team chemistry? What has Mitch Kupchak been smoking?

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 11:50 AM
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SpurSwag
11-25-2013, 11:50 AM
I respect Kobe more than most spurs fans on this forum, though I still think he is the most overrated player of all time (definitely a top 12 player all time, but the talk of him being #2 is absolutely ridiculous). However, even though I respect his work and admit he's fun to watch, how can this guy justify not taking a severe pay cut?

jeebus
11-25-2013, 11:51 AM
Dear NBA,


http://i.imgur.com/BL4FmTc.jpg

RsxPiimp
11-25-2013, 11:51 AM
I'd say 50 mil in 2 yrs.

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 11:52 AM
:lmao ya ass shakin

:lmao

There has to be some under the table shit going on. I wouldn't pay more than 20 mil for two years. You salary cap Geeks get in here and tell me how we can circumvent this nigga being the highest paid player in the league and still rebuild. Or, are they fucking excited about the last two wins and are just going to roll with what we got? GET IN HERE YOU GEEKS... MY PHONE IS BLOWING UP FROM PEOPLE LAUGHING AT ME!!!

scanry
11-25-2013, 11:52 AM
2 years 48 million.

Highway Robbery or daylight robbery. Whatever you want to call it.

BatManu20
11-25-2013, 11:52 AM
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Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 11:53 AM
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:lol big players in free agency, but not enough money :rollin

scanry
11-25-2013, 11:53 AM
I'd say 50 mil in 2 yrs.

About right. He's signed up for $48 mil. :lol

Fredo.

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 11:53 AM
Anyhting more than$15 mill per is gonna hurt us. Hopefully they could get him down to 12.5 ($25 mill for two years) but he has done so much for the Lakers, I cant begrudge what he gets.
But as a Laker fan first, I hope he cuts us some slack salary cap wise ... but I doubt it.

jeebus
11-25-2013, 11:54 AM
405015703033372673


this is now still relevant

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/21376_574130362638253_140756782_n.jpg?lvh=1

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 11:54 AM
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Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 11:55 AM
http://www.raydworkshop.com/es-got/img/gots/got-fredo-corleone.gif

scanry
11-25-2013, 11:55 AM
Anyhting more than$15 mill per is gonna hurt us. Hopefully they could get him down to 12.5 ($25 mill for two years) but he has done so much for the Lakers, I cant begrudge what he gets.
But as a Laker fan first, I hope he cuts us some slack salary cap wise ... but I doubt it.

$48 million/2 years done and dusted son. Paying a washed up Kobe more than a prime Lebron. Kobe should thank his lucky stars that Jerry is not negotiating his deal.

Floyd Pacquiao
11-25-2013, 11:56 AM
:lol Lakers= knicks of the west

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 11:56 AM
I can guarantee you I won't ride this out. I've carried you niggas long enough during our down years to be insulted be a contract like that. This is Thanksgiving, not April's Fools.

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 11:57 AM
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/017/4/0/fredo_corleone_by_leonkennedyfan1-d5ru9x7.jpg

Mugen
11-25-2013, 11:57 AM
:lol 2years/$48mil

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o9MGphc_jgw/UVSo11dql8I/AAAAAAAALIo/IWWSBoxTDFg/s1600/thumbs-up.gif

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 11:58 AM
Ok missed the above update. Wow. Again ANYONE making more than Lebron is asinine, even Last year's version of Kobe.
My guess his agent knew how much Lakers make off Kobe, and took dem to the woodshed. And this is their version of a hometown discount even though Kobe could only get that kind of scratch from bottom feeders.
Oh, well. We are not legit contenders. If we can sign one more star and Pau at a reduced rate we will be interesting and I can watch Kobe 2 more seasons before he retires.

Mugen
11-25-2013, 11:58 AM
:lmao just remembered LkrFan saying Kirby would take like $10-$12mil per year cuz he wanted to win a ring.

jeebus
11-25-2013, 11:58 AM
:lmao

hasn't even seen how he looks on the court yet throwing away the next few years' salary cap. I love Fredo

Holden_Caulfield
11-25-2013, 11:59 AM
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao the lakers are comedy gold, i cant even :lmao

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 11:59 AM
:lmao

hasn't even seen how he looks on the court yet throwing away the next few years' salary cap. I love Fredo
Gawd bless Fredo. He's the herpes of the Lakers, gift that keeps on giving.

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 11:59 AM
:lmao just remembered LkrFan saying Kirby would take like $10-$12mil per year cuz he wanted to win a ring.
:lmao LkrFan, get in here and spin this shit.

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 12:00 PM
LG is probably melting down ...

Mugen
11-25-2013, 12:01 PM
:lmao LkrFan (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18824), get in here and spin this shit.


LG is probably melting down ...

http://rack.1.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA2LzEzL2E4L3NtYXNoZWRjb21wLjVkMzdhLmdpZg pwCXRodW1iCTEyMDB4OTYwMD4/46976450/cf5/smashed-computer.gif

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 12:02 PM
I don't see how any Laker fan can defend this jackass of a move. Kobe fans are loving this move. Whooo hooo... GO KOBE!!!

skut_farkus
11-25-2013, 12:04 PM
Smush parker signing for the vet min?

da_suns_fan
11-25-2013, 12:04 PM
kobe just raped the lakers...i laughed at laker fans hoping he would take 10-12 million. As if Kobe has EVER cared about anything besides his own self interest.

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:05 PM
LG is probably melting down ...
http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=165451&postdays=0&postorder=asc******=175

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:05 PM
Bruno - Did this contract by Kobe (let's just call it 25M per year) represent a paycut based on what he could have received or is this essentially the max he could make under the new CBA? He was making 30M this season so 25M is a pay cut technically..

Clipper Nation
11-25-2013, 12:06 PM
:lmao Fredo
:lmao Dat contract
:lmao Manu looks underpaid by comparison
:lmao Not even Kirbystan can argue against Kirby's selfishness and greed

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 12:07 PM
kobe just raped the lakers...i laughed at laker fans hoping he would take 10-12 million. As if Kobe has EVER cared about anything besides his own self interest.

was hoping for $15 not $24 ...oh, well.
But People (laker fans) saying he should take 10-12 are the same ones thinking we will sign Lebron. Not realistic ...

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:07 PM
Bruno (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2449) - Did this contract by Kobe (let's just call it 25M per year) represent a paycut based on what he could have received or is this essentially the max he could make under the new CBA? He was making 30M this season so 25M is a pay cut technically..
He could have made 65 mil. Still though, taking a 7 million dollar paycut and still the highest paid :lol

JamStone
11-25-2013, 12:08 PM
Being reported as $48.5 million. Stupid by both sides. At the very least, they should have considered getting around or under $20 million per and have some kind of deferred payments after the two years. I'm not sure if the current CBA still allows that though. In reality though, he should have cut his $30 million in half and play for $15 million per. Super selfish egomaniacal Kobe and super dumbshitforbrains Lakers front office.

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 12:09 PM
:lmao Fredo
:lmao Dat contract
:lmao Manu looks underpaid by comparison
:lmao Not even Kirbystan can argue against Kirby's selfishness and greed

contract is excessive, no doubt. But how many guys in his negotiating position are gonna take a HUGE paycut?

Clipper Nation
11-25-2013, 12:10 PM
contract is excessive, no doubt. But how many guys in his negotiating position are gonna take a HUGE paycut?
Players who want to win in their old age and attract free agents to their team?

The fact that LeBron took a paycut in his prime for the sake of his team while old-ass Kirby grabs for every cent he can just says it all, tbh....

RsxPiimp
11-25-2013, 12:11 PM
It was very much clear their financial ties to Kobe is strictly a marketing move, the fact the Lakers are willing to throw away 2 additional years of the teams cap and as well chances of building a contender speaks volumes of how much income Kobe generates for the Lakers. Buss went with the bottom line and it's profit first.


Also, the second biggest marketing star (Lebron) is obviously not going to sign with the Lakers, Buss has no choice but to lock up a Laker legend rather than lose him for nothing and create another embarrassing protest from their fans (Remember Phil Jackson).

It's not the right move but given the circumstances, it was necessary.

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 12:11 PM
Being reported as $48.5 million. Stupid by both sides. At the very least, they should have considered getting around or under $20 million per and have some kind of deferred payments after the two years. I'm not sure if the current CBA still allows that though. In reality though, he should have cut his $30 million in half and play for $15 million per. Super selfish egomaniacal Kobe and super dumbshitforbrains Lakers front office.

I agree that would have been ideal ...but not realistic. I was hoping for $15 ...expecting $20 but $24?!

And Though I am NOT defending Jim, dont forget elder Buss gave Magic and Worthy late in their career ballon payments. But in this new CBA, not sure that was wise.

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:12 PM
It was very much clear their financial ties to Kobe is strictly a marketing move, the fact the Lakers are willing to throw away 2 additional years of the teams cap and as well chances of building a contender speaks volumes of how much income Kobe generates for the Lakers. Buss went with the bottom line and it's profit first.


Also, the second biggest marketing star (Lebron) is obviously not going to sign with the Lakers, Buss has no choice but to lock up a Laker legend rather than lose him for nothing and create another embarrassing protest from their fans (Remember Phil Jackson).

It's not the right move but given the circumstances, it was necessary.
Lakers should have amnesited Kobe and tanked for Wiggins or Parker.

Mugen
11-25-2013, 12:12 PM
Not blaming Kirby at all tbh. Anybody who knew anything about Bryant at all knew there was absolutely no way he wasn't taking Fredo to the woodshed tbh.

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:13 PM
Now the Lakers only have room for one max contract, and that is gonna capfuck the Lakers for years to come.

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 12:13 PM
Players who want to win in their old age and attract free agents to their team?

The fact that LeBron took a paycut in his prime for the sake of his team while old-ass Kirby grabs for every cent he can just says it all, tbh....

Different circumstances, he had not won. I agree Kobe should make less than Lebron ...but that is a apples/oranges comparison tbh ...

RsxPiimp
11-25-2013, 12:13 PM
Fwiw, Kobe did in fact gave the Lakers discount, albeit a small one:lol

Clipper Nation
11-25-2013, 12:14 PM
Now the Lakers only have room for one max contract, and that is gonna capfuck the Lakers for years to come.
The Rudy Gay Max Contract :lol

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 12:14 PM
Lakers should have amnesited Kobe and tanked for Wiggins or Parker.

would of made sense ... if other factors such as marketing ticket prices and the TWC deal werent issues.

RsxPiimp
11-25-2013, 12:15 PM
Lakers should have amnesited Kobe and tanked for Wiggins or Parker.

I don't disagree. Personally, I feel Kobe should've signed for no more than $15/yr but we all know he's all about himself tbh.

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:15 PM
The Rudy Gay Max Contract :lol
Pau's gonna be like "Pay me Fredo"

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:16 PM
Lakers will have about 23M in cap space next year with this Kobe contract

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/69215/how-the-lakers-salary-cap-reality-makes-the-lebron-carmelo-summer-of-2014-a-pipe-dream




Scenario 4: Renounce everyone but Kobe; Kobe takes $20 million

Scenario 4: Kobe Takes $20 Million

Player Salary Salary Cap
Steve Nash $9,701,000
Robert Sacre $915,243
Kobe Bryant $20,000,000
Draft Pick $911,400
Minimum Cap Hold $507,336
Minimum Cap Hold $507,336
Minimum Cap Hold $507,336
Minimum Cap Hold $507,336
Minimum Cap Hold $507,336
Minimum Cap Hold $507,336
Minimum Cap Hold $507,336
Minimum Cap Hold $507,336

Total $35,586,331 $62,100,000
Cap Room $26,513,669 ENOUGH FOR ONE

This scenario assumes that Kobe Bryant, who has already said he will not take a pay cut, willingly takes a pay cut of about 33 percent, for a starting salary of $20 million. Good news, Lakers fans — in this scenario, your favorite team has enough cap space to sign one free agent to a maximum salary contract, with a little bit of room left over to sign a supplemental player as well.

Extremely optimistic result: LeBron

More likely result: Carmelo

Kobe’s reaction tweet: Scoring champs. Olympics brothers. #vino #mambatweets #welcomemelo #throwmetheballandwatchwhatidowithit #illteachyouhowtowinmelo

Captivus
11-25-2013, 12:17 PM
Cant believe this. Kobe raping the Lakers.
Lakers fans should be pissed. $25M a year...wow...
It looks like bouncing back will take longer...well...at least Kobe is smiling.

Clipper Nation
11-25-2013, 12:18 PM
Pau's gonna be like "Pay me Fredo"
Kirby will force out MVPau after seeing how much better he's looked without the chucking cancer in the lineup, tbh....

End result: "Gay. DeRozan. Bryant. YES.THEY.DID." :downspin:

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:18 PM
From my understanding, it was a discount, but not material enough to "make the Lebron" splash. They have room to offer close to one max deal, but they definitely can't do the MIA thing where they get 3 players (in this case Kobe + 2 others). They will still have significant cap space (23M), but they only have about 4 players on their roster next season :lol so they need to fill out the entire roster.

Mugen
11-25-2013, 12:19 PM
:lol You'd think Fredo would have waited until a game or two before inking the deal. I guess a couple of Vine and Instagram videos were all the proof Ol Jimmy needed tbh.

Scrub
11-25-2013, 12:19 PM
$33.2 mil for Kirbe and Nash in 2014/2015...:lol

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:20 PM
:lol You'd think Fredo would have waited until a game or two before inking the deal. I guess a couple of Vine and Instagram videos were all the proof Ol Jimmy needed tbh.
"We talkin bout practice"

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:21 PM
We can blame Caprisun_Man. I think Mitch saw those Mamba practice videos Capri posted and rushed to ink Kobe. Thanks, Capri :lol

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
11-25-2013, 12:21 PM
tbh, he had a career year last year..

RsxPiimp
11-25-2013, 12:22 PM
Lakers better re-sign Pau, I would totally quit on that franchise if they disrespect Gasol.

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:22 PM
We can blame Caprisun_Man. I think Mitch saw those Mamba practice videos Capri posted and rushed to ink Kobe. Thanks, Capri :lol
:lmao

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:23 PM
Lakers better re-sign Pau, I would totally quit on that franchise if they disrespect Gasol.
They won't have room. They'll have room for one max FA. If they sign Pau, they won't even have room for that.

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:23 PM
Melo will be a Laker.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:24 PM
It seems the early reaction from Laker fan is not good. So now not only will they have difficulty winning, but they are turning on Kobe at the same time. There are already a decent amount of people calling out Kobe for just wanting to chase scoring records and not caring about winning.

timtonymanu
11-25-2013, 12:24 PM
Wow

Mugen
11-25-2013, 12:25 PM
Melo will be a Laker.

I f'n hope so.

da_suns_fan
11-25-2013, 12:25 PM
Kobes going to go for scoring record while getting paid a SHIT load of money.

Great for him. You think he really cares about a sixth championship?

scanry
11-25-2013, 12:26 PM
Which ever way you spin it, bottom line is that Kobe has effectively ruined the Lakers for another 2 years atleast. Slow death, that's the worst thing that can happen to a ball club nowadays.

In comparison, Duncan is making 9 mil and i can pretty much guarantee that Dirk will not sign up for more than 10 - 12 mil/yr.

Bruno
11-25-2013, 12:28 PM
Bruno - Did this contract by Kobe (let's just call it 25M per year) represent a paycut based on what he could have received or is this essentially the max he could make under the new CBA? He was making 30M this season so 25M is a pay cut technically..

The max extension Kobe could have received was $66.4M/2 years ($32M in 14-15 and $34.4M in 15-16). So, he took a "paycut" compared to the max extension he could have received.

RsxPiimp
11-25-2013, 12:29 PM
Melo will be a Laker.

Soooo Melo and Kobe are the 2014 FA Splash plan.:lmao

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:29 PM
I f'n hope so.
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab250/Zac_Sweeney/NBA%20Photoshops/Jersey%20Switches/Melo_Lakers.png

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:29 PM
Soooo Melo and Kobe are the 2014 FA Splash plan.:lmao
I can see it. By the looks of things, it's shaping up to be exactly that.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:30 PM
To give Laker fan perspective, Lakers (if these Kobe contract numbers are true) will have 23M in cap space next year.

They will have:

Kobe: 23M
Nash: 9.7M
Sacre: 915K

Plus a bunch of cap holds for a total available pay roll of: ~23M. What are the options:

1) Sign Melo to a max deal and fill out the other 8 roster spots with minimum level players. In this scenario, that means Pau is gone.

2) A guy like Melo takes a big enough pay cut (just guessing on what Pau would want) and accept about 13M. That would leave 10M for Pau to re-sign and then they would have 7 spots to fill at league minimum salaries.

3) Sign Pau for 10M, then a few cheaper players at about 7M each. They would have Kobe/Pau/Nash/Sacre then two 7M type players. That would be 6 players under contract and 6 spots to be filled at league min.

4) Let Pau walk, don't target a max guy like Melo, and spend the 23M on cheaper guys to fill out the roster.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:31 PM
I can see it. By the looks of things, it's shaping up to be exactly that.

Well, that only hurts Kobe's quest to get more points. So I can't see him signing off on that.

sook
11-25-2013, 12:33 PM
Which ever way you spin it, bottom line is that Kobe has effectively ruined the Lakers for another 2 years atleast. Slow death, that's the worst thing that can happen to a ball club nowadays.

In comparison, Duncan is making 9 mil and i can pretty much guarantee that Dirk will not sign up for more than 10 - 12 mil/yr.

Thats why those guys will always be the greats.

Kobe is always associated with a selfish chucker. Dudes career is practically over and he is killing his team. I'm glad he is because fuck the lakers, but I can still acknowledge that it is wrong.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:33 PM
The max extension Kobe could have received was $66.4M/2 years ($32M in 14-15 and $34.4M in 15-16). So, he took a "paycut" compared to the max extension he could have received.

Thanks - I thought it was somewhere along those lines, but did not know the exact numbers. So he took about a 25% pay cut from the max he could have received, but his "discount" really didn't do much for the Lakers chances.

Katherine Robinson
11-25-2013, 12:34 PM
This is a much better deal than I had expected. I believed a 3yr 100m contract was the most likely scenerio.

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11-25-2013, 12:34 PM
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Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:34 PM
Well, that only hurts Kobe's quest to get more points. So I can't see him signing off on that.
He didn't want Mike Brown and that still happened. Just sayin.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:36 PM
He didn't want Mike Brown and that still happened. Just sayin.

You could sell Kobe on Brown because ultimately Kobe knew he could manipulate him. Melo is a different story and is a direct threat to his shot count. Brown was not.

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 12:36 PM
It seems the early reaction from Laker fan is not good. So now not only will they have difficulty winning, but they are turning on Kobe at the same time. There are already a decent amount of people calling out Kobe for just wanting to chase scoring records and not caring about winning.

I Think realistic fans were hoping for $15 mill - $20 mill max.
Fans preaching that kumbaya were hoping $12-15 mill ...

I think $24 is excessive and not smart by the FO. For Kobe of course it's smart from a bizz sense ...Tim & Dirk took less and have no rings to show for it since.
Lebron took less and I commend him for it, but he had not rang.

I blame our front-office MORE than Kobe ...but it does bring me to question where his priorities lie ...

Also no quality FA's left to pursue ...so in some ways Kobe is allowing us to waste cap money on him then some other overpaid star ...

Either way urggggh!

BillMc
11-25-2013, 12:37 PM
Kobe gets his money, gets a crappy team where he shoot for the scoring record without hesitation, and let the media blame it on the other players and Mike D because Kobe is a "warrior."

To be fair to Kobe, he probably's figured out that the Lakers won't be contenders during his remaining years so money and points are the next best thing.

whitemamba
11-25-2013, 12:38 PM
glad to see the mamba is stayin in purple and gold.

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:38 PM
You could sell Kobe on Brown because ultimately Kobe knew he could manipulate him. Melo is a different story and is a direct threat to his shot count. Brown was not.
Who else will be out there that they could realistically get? Like star wise?

Brazil
11-25-2013, 12:38 PM
:lmao

http://i.minus.com/iBEwT7tEC0X2B.gif

spurraider21
11-25-2013, 12:38 PM
Bruno (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2449) - Did this contract by Kobe (let's just call it 25M per year) represent a paycut based on what he could have received or is this essentially the max he could make under the new CBA? He was making 30M this season so 25M is a pay cut technically..
could have made more. this CBA as well as the NFL's has a clause where you can either make
a) x dollar amount based on years played
b) a certain percentage of a raise on your previous salary

whichever is higher. in this case for Kobe, the higher figure was obviously choice B. he was theoretically eligible for a raise on his previous average salary

Mugen
11-25-2013, 12:41 PM
I Think realistic fans were hoping for $15 mill - $20 mill max.
Fans preaching that kumbaya were hoping $12-15 mill ...

I think $24 is excessive and not smart by the FO. For Kobe of course it's smart from a bizz sense ...Tim & Dirk took less and have no rings to show for it since.
Lebron took less and I commend him for it, but he had not rang.

I blame our front-office MORE than Kobe ...but it does bring me to question where his priorities lie ...

Also no quality FA's left to pursue ...so in some ways Kobe is allowing us to waste cap money on him then some other overpaid star ...

Either way urggggh!

Killa, explain to me Fredo and Kupcake's reasoning for not waiting until Kirby played a game first before giving up on the next two questions. Serious question tbh.

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:43 PM
I don't think Mitch really had a choice.

pgardn
11-25-2013, 12:45 PM
This is a much better deal than I had expected. I believed a 3yr 100m contract was the most likely scenerio.

For a player in his mid 30's that TORE his Achilles...
Unbelievable.

Oh it's Kobe, he will recover fully... A pig flew.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:47 PM
I Think realistic fans were hoping for $15 mill - $20 mill max.
Fans preaching that kumbaya were hoping $12-15 mill ...

I think $24 is excessive and not smart by the FO. For Kobe of course it's smart from a bizz sense ...Tim & Dirk took less and have no rings to show for it since.
Lebron took less and I commend him for it, but he had not rang.

I blame our front-office MORE than Kobe ...but it does bring me to question where his priorities lie ...

Also no quality FA's left to pursue ...so in some ways Kobe is allowing us to waste cap money on him then some other overpaid star ...

Either way urggggh!

You keep saying that about the Spurs - the difference is the Spurs competed for a title. They were there and should have won. You can't guarantee a title, but you can do things to give yourself the best shot. Spurs did that. Lakers aren't even trying.

spurraider21
11-25-2013, 12:47 PM
:lmao spurfan complaining about Manu's 2 year contract

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 12:49 PM
Well at least they won't have to beg next summer.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:49 PM
Mitch had no choice. Kobe runs that franchise. After whiffing so publicly on Dwight (and it was humiliating to watch a storied franchise beg and crawl) on the shoulders of getting swept and Kobe hurt, they had to ensure at all costs that Kobe stayed.

They didn't have a Duncan they were dealing with they had Kobe. Kobe had leverage and he squeezed the shit out of them. TBH, I think they got lucky that Kobe didn't make them offer the full max.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:51 PM
Who else will be out there that they could realistically get? Like star wise?

No one IMO. They may elect to wait an extra year. If Lebron isn't on the table realistically than 2015 has a better FA class. But maybe Dirk?

Mugen
11-25-2013, 12:56 PM
I just hope Kirby had the common courtesy to wash up before he went in raw on Mitch/Fredo tbh.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:56 PM
I just hope Kirby had the common courtesy to wash up before he went in raw on Mitch/Fredo tbh.

He didn't even finish though..

baseline bum
11-25-2013, 12:57 PM
Wow, Fredo is paying $33 million to his completely broken down and finished backcourt next season. :rollin

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 12:59 PM
What LA should do IMO is offer up their first round pick to unload Nash for an expiring contract. That would clear ~9M in additional cap space for Nash and another ~1M in cap space by losing that pick. That's if they could find a team dumb enough to pay 9M for a late first rounder.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 12:59 PM
:lmao

There has to be some under the table shit going on. I wouldn't pay more than 20 mil for two years. You salary cap Geeks get in here and tell me how we can circumvent this nigga being the highest paid player in the league and still rebuild. Or, are they fucking excited about the last two wins and are just going to roll with what we got? GET IN HERE YOU GEEKS... MY PHONE IS BLOWING UP FROM PEOPLE LAUGHING AT ME!!!

Just chill out my nigga...word on the street is Laker Brass got word from the LA-illuminati that Kobe stays and gets paid there will be financial incentives paid out to the Buss family beyond that 20 yr 25 billion dollar Cable deal....Spur fan just sit back and get ready to start crying all over again when Buss and Mitch pull off the impossible :hat

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:00 PM
and why is Spur fan so gotdam worried bout what were doing anyway...fucking closet Kobe lovers

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:01 PM
Caprisun is right. They have the potential to pair guys like Kobe/Pau/Dwight/Nash together and if they can do that, they would be favorites..

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 01:01 PM
You keep saying that about the Spurs - the difference is the Spurs competed for a title. They were there and should have won. You can't guarantee a title, but you can do things to give yourself the best shot. Spurs did that. Lakers aren't even trying.

DPG, Yes the Spurs competed for a title, and in some ways that is what the Lakers are trying to hope for a "magical turn the clock back run". Kobe is still the Lakers best player Duncan is not, it's just different. I think even tim was surprised how he turned back the clock last year. Plus, LAL makes a ton more revenue than SAS and Kobe is a huge part so I get why Kobe did this from a bizz perspective. As a Lakerfan I wish he did not.

Mugen I dont get why they made the move so early ... unless they are planning on making trades at the deadline ...what if Kobe comes out and ruptures the other Achilles a la Drose?

I see no need to re-sign him before he plays ...

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:01 PM
that faggot ass Tammy got his little 20 million or whatever the fuck he got and I could have given 2 fucks....we got dam near 100 people in this fucking thread on my niggas dick

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:01 PM
and why is Spur fan so gotdam worried bout what were doing anyway...fucking closet Kobe lovers

Says the guy who spends his life on the Spurs forum :lmao

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 01:01 PM
Just chill out my nigga...word on the street is Laker Brass got word from the LA-illuminati that Kobe stays and gets paid there will be financial incentives paid out to the Buss family beyond that 20 yr 25 billion dollar Cable deal....Spur fan just sit back and get ready to start crying all over again when Buss and Mitch pull off the impossible :hat
CapriSun_Man's asschecks are tomato red.

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 01:02 PM
Just chill out my nigga...word on the street is Laker Brass got word from the LA-illuminati that Kobe stays and gets paid there will be financial incentives paid out to the Buss family beyond that 20 yr 25 billion dollar Cable deal....Spur fan just sit back and get ready to start crying all over again when Buss and Mitch pull off the impossible :hat


How does that help our cap issues, Kool?

Mugen
11-25-2013, 01:02 PM
Says the guy who spends his life on the Spurs forum :lmao

:lol

baseline bum
11-25-2013, 01:03 PM
Phoenix has to love this, since they get Fredo's 2015 first rounder.

Mugen
11-25-2013, 01:04 PM
Mugen I dont get why they made the move so early ... unless they are planning on making trades at the deadline ...what if Kobe comes out and ruptures the other Achilles a la Drose?

I see no need to re-sign him before he plays ...

Per Shelburne's tweet, it was a sign of "good faith" towards Kobe which makes no sense at all tbh

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:06 PM
How does that help our cap issues, Kool?

We've already sat aside tax and repeater tax fees...it's all about value for buck now...even if we ditch Pau for Rondo now we will still get Melo....if we let Pau walk we resign him for 5-6 mill a year...we pick up Ariza and keep paying this core we have peanuts....there are no real big name free agents switching teams within the next two years besides Melo and Rondo and those are the guys we're going to target..

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:06 PM
How does that help our cap issues, Kool?

Buddy even turning on Caprisun Man :lol

I feel really bad for the response you are going to get, Buddy. You will realize just how little your main man knows about basketball.

spurraider21
11-25-2013, 01:07 PM
Caprisun_Man not understanding the difference between the Lakers' revenue and the NBA salary cap :lol

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:07 PM
We've already sat aside tax and repeater tax fees...it's all about value for buck now...even if we ditch Pau for Rondo now we will still get Melo....if we let Pau walk we resign him for 5-6 mill a year...we pick up Ariza and keep paying this core we have peanuts....there are no real big name free agents switching teams within the next two years besides Melo and Rondo and those are the guys we're going to target..

You very likely can't get Rondo and still sign Melo :lol

Katherine Robinson
11-25-2013, 01:08 PM
For a player in his mid 30's that TORE his Achilles...
Unbelievable.

Oh it's Kobe, he will recover fully... A pig flew.

You should understand context before coming downstairs.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:09 PM
You very likely can't get Rondo and still sign Melo :lol

absolutely we can

spurraider21
11-25-2013, 01:09 PM
LA radio likes the extension :lmao

their rationale "they couldn't afford to bargain and negotiate and wait for the end of the season, or else kobe could have been bitter and teamed up elsewhere just to spite the Lakers"


"this is why we have a multibillion dollar tv deal"

Mugen
11-25-2013, 01:09 PM
:lol Kirby and the FO also pretty much closing the coffin on MVPau returning next year. That or indirectly telling him that he's playing for scraps next season tbh.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:09 PM
Caprisun_Man not understanding the difference between the Lakers' revenue and the NBA salary cap :lol

absolutely I do

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:10 PM
Put it this way - unless you trade Nash for Rondo, then that 23M in cap space LA has next season drops to 11M because Rondo makes 12M next season. That leaves only 11m to sign Melo & Pau in your plan so unless you think they both take 5-6M you need to go back to the drawing board tbh..That doesn't even factor in Ariza accepting the minimum :lol

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:10 PM
absolutely we can

Explain...

Mugen
11-25-2013, 01:10 PM
LA radio likes the extension :lmao

their rationale "they couldn't afford to bargain and negotiate and wait for the end of the season, or else kobe could have been bitter and teamed up elsewhere just to spite the Lakers"

:lol Oh man, can't wait to hear the full spin from that faggot Ireland and Willard tbh

ShowtimeFan
11-25-2013, 01:10 PM
Being reported as $48.5 million. Stupid by both sides. At the very least, they should have considered getting around or under $20 million per and have some kind of deferred payments after the two years. I'm not sure if the current CBA still allows that though. In reality though, he should have cut his $30 million in half and play for $15 million per. Super selfish egomaniacal Kobe and super dumbshitforbrains Lakers front office.

Pretty much spot on, Jam. What the hell does an extra 10 mil a year mean to Kobe besides just being something to stroke his ego?



Mitch had no choice. Kobe runs that franchise. After whiffing so publicly on Dwight (and it was humiliating to watch a storied franchise beg and crawl) on the shoulders of getting swept and Kobe hurt, they had to ensure at all costs that Kobe stayed.

They didn't have a Duncan they were dealing with they had Kobe. Kobe had leverage and he squeezed the shit out of them. TBH, I think they got lucky that Kobe didn't make them offer the full max.

Absolutely correct, DPG

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:11 PM
Mitch had no choice. Kobe runs that franchise. After whiffing so publicly on Dwight (and it was humiliating to watch a storied franchise beg and crawl) on the shoulders of getting swept and Kobe hurt, they had to ensure at all costs that Kobe stayed.

They didn't have a Duncan they were dealing with they had Kobe. Kobe had leverage and he squeezed the shit out of them. TBH, I think they got lucky that Kobe didn't make them offer the full max.


LA radio likes the extension :lmao

their rationale "they couldn't afford to bargain and negotiate and wait for the end of the season, or else kobe could have been bitter and teamed up elsewhere just to spite the Lakers"


"this is why we have a multibillion dollar tv deal"

spurraider21
11-25-2013, 01:12 PM
:lol Oh man, can't wait to hear the full spin from that faggot Ireland and Willard tbh
Ireland is actually funny though. His show is the best one they have all day. Willard is fucking braindead

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:13 PM
Buddy even turning on Caprisun Man :lol

I feel really bad for the response you are going to get, Buddy. You will realize just how little your main man knows about basketball.


We've already sat aside tax and repeater tax fees...it's all about value for buck now...even if we ditch Pau for Rondo now we will still get Melo....if we let Pau walk we resign him for 5-6 mill a year...we pick up Ariza and keep paying this core we have peanuts....there are no real big name free agents switching teams within the next two years besides Melo and Rondo and those are the guys we're going to target..

:lol It was worse than I thought. Sorry Buddy.

Mugen
11-25-2013, 01:14 PM
Ireland is actually funny though. His show is the best one they have all day. Willard is fucking braindead

Can't stand Ireland tbh. The only one i like out of that crew is Klay's dad tbh.

baseline bum
11-25-2013, 01:15 PM
Nigga went Eagle on Kupchack

Medvedenko
11-25-2013, 01:17 PM
Kobe's worthy every penny.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:17 PM
Ya - I can't really blame Mitch & Co. This is a players league and that is highlighted by everything LAL is and ever has been. They had 0 choice - which is sad. They didn't have 0 choice because there were no other options, they had 0 choice because LAL fans (not all, but as a whole) are the worst, most uneducated (in terms of basketball) fans in the business. All that matters is doing right by them and Kobe is their God. There were no other options. The only thing that could have saved them was Kobe and we all know that was not going to happen.

I was being serious though when I said I was shocked Kobe even let them off that easily.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:19 PM
Kobe's worthy every penny.

Wait - All I have heard from Laker fan who likes to puff out their chest is Laker fans are different. They don't accept losing. It's title or bust and they have not been sniffing that WCF let alone finals for few years now (and definitely not this year). How can you be title or bust while at the same time supporting this?

024
11-25-2013, 01:21 PM
this is now still relevant

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/21376_574130362638253_140756782_n.jpg?lvh=1
:lol

Clipper Nation
11-25-2013, 01:21 PM
:lmao Capri trying to :downspin: dis shit.... just stop, son, your boy is a selfish, money-grubbing piece of shit....

Mal
11-25-2013, 01:21 PM
Great deal for Lakers. I hate them, so it`s great deal. Irrelevant team for next 2 seasons.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:22 PM
Ya - I can't really blame Mitch & Co. This is a players league and that is highlighted by everything LAL is and ever has been. They had 0 choice - which is sad. They didn't have 0 choice because there were no other options, they had 0 choice because LAL fans (not all, but as a whole) are the worst, most uneducated (in terms of basketball) fans in the business. All that matters is doing right by them and Kobe is their God. There were no other options. The only thing that could have saved them was Kobe and we all know that was not going to happen.

I was being serious though when I said I was shocked Kobe even let them off that easily.

Pau will be off the books....Nash will be forced into retirement or waived...everyone Melo will be signed....luxury and repeater tax penalties will apply...we'll be shelling out but making money hand over foot despite the CBA....this was was smart move by Laker FO...

This is a business move first and foremost and a basketball move second. You can't compare this to KG and Duncan, who were both on the decline. KG and Duncan are nowhere near what they were in their prime. Kobe had his best of 17 seasons last year.

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 01:22 PM
We've already sat aside tax and repeater tax fees...it's all about value for buck now...even if we ditch Pau for Rondo now we will still get Melo....if we let Pau walk we resign him for 5-6 mill a year...we pick up Ariza and keep paying this core we have peanuts....there are no real big name free agents switching teams within the next two years besides Melo and Rondo and those are the guys we're going to target..


Here is something that I can guarantee you that's not going to happen. Pau ain't playing for 5-6 million a year and the Celtics aren't trading their best player for a guy we've been trying to dump for two years now. And why are we throwing 25 mil at a player that's old and hurt?

Floyd Pacquiao
11-25-2013, 01:23 PM
:rollin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ7hghOCYAA_WAz.jpg

Leetonidas
11-25-2013, 01:23 PM
And there goes any chance Kobe had at #6 :lol

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 01:23 PM
Phoenix has to love this, since they get Fredo's 2015 first rounder.

dat pick wont be that great and the draft will be weaker. But the Nash trade is actually worse than the kobe extension.

Im with Showtime fan, and Jam. But the real stupidity lies in the Lakers FO getting bent over by Kobe. Kobe is doing what an "alpha" does and is preying on the weak ...our front office has:

1. Hired Mike Brown to replace Phil ...
2. Traded a bushel of picks for an aging Nash.
3. Completed a blockbuster trade involving Denver/Philly and Orlando and finished third when the dust settled ...
4. Fired Brown and replaced him with Mike D instead of begging Phil ...
5. Begged Dwight to stay ...
6. Resign Kobe at a price above market vale (anything over Lebron is crazy at this point ...)
7. Choose not to tank in a loaded draft class ...

The titanic is sinking but the FO is still playing the strings telling us the ship in unsinkable as we continue take on water.

I think i have fulled boarded the tank train ...I was half on before ...

Kobe just being the alpha nothing more nothing less, he eats first ...same as it ever was. We won when he was the best player his mindset wont change and we wont rang. Oh well chances at 17 (who cares about 6) Were slim right now anyway.

spurraider21
11-25-2013, 01:23 PM
Pau will be off the books....Nash will be forced into retirement or waived...everyone Melo will be signed....luxury and repeater tax penalties will apply...we'll be shelling out but making money hand over foot despite the CBA....this was was smart move by Laker FO...

This is a business move first and foremost and a basketball move second. You can't compare this to KG and Duncan, who were both on the decline. KG and Duncan are nowhere near what they were in their prime. Kobe had his best of 17 seasons last year.
nashy will be back

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:23 PM
Kool will ride or die with Mitch....yall circle jerking now but won't be once Kobe comes back...we're 500 with Nash not playing...Kobe out...and Paussy stinking up the place

Leetonidas
11-25-2013, 01:23 PM
:rollin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ7hghOCYAA_WAz.jpg

rofl at the copy of SI with Kobe on it on the table :lol

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 01:24 PM
:rollin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ7hghOCYAA_WAz.jpg
:lol Mitch's smile looks forced.

Clipper Nation
11-25-2013, 01:24 PM
:lol You know it's sad in Lakerland when Ruva actually stops being a faggot and starts having good takes for once, tbh....

:lmao Capri

spurraider21
11-25-2013, 01:24 PM
:rollin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ7hghOCYAA_WAz.jpg
:rollin det sports illustrated cover

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:25 PM
I can't see how the Lakers don't waive Nash. They basically have to now. He is useless to their winning and a cap drain. Waive him, use the stretch provision and net yourself an additional 6M in cap space next season.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:26 PM
:rollin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ7hghOCYAA_WAz.jpg

Look at that SI magazine on the table :lmao. Kobe brought that to the meeting to remind them.

Mugen
11-25-2013, 01:27 PM
Mitch looks like a porn star who just realized what they've done tbh.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:28 PM
From my understanding, if LA waives Nash and uses the stretch provision, they can effectively turn their 22-23M in cap space to ~28-29M. Has to be done IMO.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:28 PM
Here is something that I can guarantee you that's not going to happen. Pau ain't playing for 5-6 million a year and the Celtics aren't trading their best player for a guy we've been trying to dump for two years now. And why are we throwing 25 mil at a player that's old and hurt?

Pau is 19 million coming off the books...Celts are tanking...it's why they won't allow Rondo to return even though he's ready..trading for Pau now accelerates their tanking and gives them more flexibility with a 19 million expiring...that's why they do it...Rondo is the Combo guard we've been craving...won't win it without him in the back court...as for old...he didn't look it last season...this is about a 2 yr window and 1 more championship....you don't get there by sitting on your ass hoping some big name free agent will switch teams at the last minute..there's nothing but shit out there...when you have Kobe..you roll the dice and squeeze that Lemon one more time...

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 01:28 PM
dat pick wont be that great and the draft will be weaker. But the Nash trade is actually worse than the kobe extension.

Im with Showtime fan, and Jam. But the real stupidity lies in the Lakers FO getting bent over by Kobe. Kobe is doing what an "alpha" does and is preying on the weak ...our front office has:

1. Hired Mike Brown to replace Phil ...
2. Traded a bushel of picks for an aging Nash.
3. Completed a blockbuster trade involving Denver/Philly and Orlando and finished third when the dust settled ...
4. Fired Brown and replaced him with Mike D instead of begging Phil ...
5. Begged Dwight to stay ...
6. Resign Kobe at a price above market vale (anything over Lebron is crazy at this point ...)
7. Choose not to tank in a loaded draft class ...

The titanic is sinking but the FO is still playing the strings telling us the ship in unsinkable as we continue take on water.

I think i have fulled boarded the tank train ...I was half on before ...

Kobe just being the alpha nothing more nothing less, he eats first ...same as it ever was.

Tanking is for sissies, but getting fucked at the negotiating table is for faggots. As a boss, at best you size up all the contenders that could have offered Kobe a contract. Offer him not a penny more than what they would have offered him. Kobe would not have gone to play for a scrub team.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:29 PM
From my understanding, if LA waives Nash and uses the stretch provision, they can effectively turn their 22-23M in cap space to ~28-29M. Has to be done IMO.

shut the fuck up and stop trying to agree with me without giving me credit....I've already said cutting Nash was key and they're going to do it

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 01:32 PM
Pau is 19 million coming off the books...Celts are tanking...it's why they won't allow Rondo to return even though he's ready..trading for Pau now accelerates their tanking and gives them more flexibility with a 19 million expiring...that's why they do it...Rondo is the Combo guard we've been craving...won't win it without him in the back court...as for old...he didn't look it last season...this is about a 2 yr window and 1 more championship....you don't get there by sitting on your ass hoping some big name free agent will switch teams at the last minute..there's nothing but shit out there...when you have Kobe..you roll the dice and squeeze that Lemon one more time...

Like I said in my first reply to this announcement. There has to be some under the table deal in the works right now. That's the only way you can justify giving Kobe this contract. Counting on Ainge to deliver us from hell is more than a stretch.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:32 PM
Pau will be off the books....Nash will be forced into retirement or waived...everyone Melo will be signed....luxury and repeater tax penalties will apply...we'll be shelling out but making money hand over foot despite the CBA....this was was smart move by Laker FO...

This is a business move first and foremost and a basketball move second. You can't compare this to KG and Duncan, who were both on the decline. KG and Duncan are nowhere near what they were in their prime. Kobe had his best of 17 seasons last year.

So let's say the Lakers maximize their cap space (waive everyone but Kobe, Sacre & Swaggy P including Nash using the Stretch Provision) - they would have 28M in cap space approximately.

That would be Kobe/Sacre/Swaggy P + 28M in cap space. If Melo signs his max deal that is about 23M gone, so they would have Kobe/Melo/Sacre/Swaggy P plus 5-6M left to fill out 8 spots.

Leetonidas
11-25-2013, 01:33 PM
:lol LG


thumpinghead wrote:
Kobe Melo Gasol are copying Wade James Bosh but our trio is better. Kobe is smarter and more of a killer then James Melo is better then Wade and Gasol is better then Bosh. Expect around 15million per year.

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 01:34 PM
From my understanding, if LA waives Nash and uses the stretch provision, they can effectively turn their 22-23M in cap space to ~28-29M. Has to be done IMO.

From your understanding? Nigga I just posted an entire article on the breakdown, you non-bet collecting faggot.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:34 PM
So let's say the Lakers maximize their cap space (waive everyone but Kobe, Sacre & Swaggy P including Nash using the Stretch Provision) - they would have 28M in cap space approximately.

That would be Kobe/Sacre/Swaggy P + 28M in cap space. If Melo signs his max deal that is about 23M gone, so they would have Kobe/Melo/Sacre/Swaggy P plus 5-6M left to fill out 8 spots.

melo ain't getting 23 mill..he'll be getting 15 mark my words...

Leetonidas
11-25-2013, 01:34 PM
Rondo a combo guard :lol

you fucking idiot, Rondo couldn't even hit water if he was in a boat, dude can't shoot for shit

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 01:35 PM
Tanking is for sissies, but getting fucked at the negotiating table is for faggots. As a boss, at best you size up all the contenders that could have offered Kobe a contract. Offer him not a penny more than what they would have offered him. Kobe would not have gone to play for a scrub team.

I don't get it. You want Kobe to be an alpha on the court and the Lakers FO to be a bully at the "table" but Kobe to be lamb at the table?
That makes no sense. if the FO was not supposed to get screwed then why would Kobe? Again kobe had the leverage. We have no star in waiting like the Spurs had developed with parker. Sure, tony is not half the man tony is ... but who is our young stud ready to ball on the court and put butts in the seats?
They gambled on Dwight and lost. PERIOD. It's Kobe's show now for better or worse.
We need a star when Kobe leaves that is why I support tanking ...

HarlemHeat37
11-25-2013, 01:35 PM
I can see both sides of the argument, tbh..

- IMO, securing Kobe is a good move for the Lakers, regardless of the money..realistically, the Lakers weren't and aren't going to win anything in the next 3-5 years..their roster is terrible, they have no prospects or assets, they weren't going to acquire Lebron or Durant, etc..

Also, management is already under scrutiny with fans..they realize they aren't going to win, so the obvious move is to reach a peace treaty with the fans, which is allowing Kobe to stay on the team and chase the scoring record, which is at least something Laker fan can cheer for, knowing they aren't going to win anything substantial as a team any time in the near future..

Kobe has the biggest cult following in sports, tbh..most of his fans would literally eat his ass if he asked them to do it..Laker fan would never forgive Lakers' management if they let Kobe go, tbh..this move keeps them happy, allows Kobe to potentially retire as a Laker, and allows him to chase records with no team expectations..

- Lakers can still try to make a splash by signing somebody like Kevin Love or Westbrook and have them play with Kobe for 1 year until he retires, and then build around that player, tbh..

- The problem arises if the Lakers' blow their cap space on Carmelo, he's fat and on the decline..it will make them the Knicks of the West for the next 7-8 years..another problem would be if they use their cap space with the intention of building a contender around Kobe, which just isn't possible at this point of his career, tbh..

- As for Kobe, it is strange that he still needs to make 25 million a year when he's already rich as fuck and only has a few more years remaining in the NBA, tbh:lol..I don't blame him, at all, though..everybody should realize that his wife calls the shots, this has been evident for a minute, this power move was probably entirely orchestrated by Vanessa Bryant..

- This is the best scenario for Kobe, tbh..chase the scoring records with no pressure to win, he will have the poor supporting cast card, media will blame D'Antoni and Lakers management, and he'll enjoy his bank account and neglect his FG%..

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:35 PM
Pau is 19 million coming off the books...Celts are tanking...it's why they won't allow Rondo to return even though he's ready..trading for Pau now accelerates their tanking and gives them more flexibility with a 19 million expiring...that's why they do it...Rondo is the Combo guard we've been craving...won't win it without him in the back court...as for old...he didn't look it last season...this is about a 2 yr window and 1 more championship....you don't get there by sitting on your ass hoping some big name free agent will switch teams at the last minute..there's nothing but shit out there...when you have Kobe..you roll the dice and squeeze that Lemon one more time...

No. I can maybe see the Celts trading Rondo for an expiring contract, but it would take picks to get that deal done which LA doesn't have. But maybe if a third team gets involved, they could send BOS a young player/pick and LA could effectively end up with Rondo.

Let's say best case scenario that happens. Then you now go from 28M in cap space to 16M and that's not even enough to grab Melo unless he takes a massive pay cut. Even if he does that, you have Kobe/Melo/Rondo/Swaggy P/Sacre and the rest of your roster is essentially league minimum players outside of the BAE I believe (which is like 2M).

Leetonidas
11-25-2013, 01:36 PM
Luva actually having a legit unbiased take :wow

Mal
11-25-2013, 01:37 PM
melo ain't getting 23 mill..he'll be getting 15 mark my words...

Knicks are stupid enough to give 20 mil annually if he resigns with them. He wont go to LA to play for less in team that wouldnt win shit either.

Mugen
11-25-2013, 01:37 PM
:lol If by some miracle it ever happened, Rondo/Kirby/Melo would be the funniest thing to ever happen to the Lakers since Nash/Kobe/Pau/Dwight tbh

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:37 PM
From your understanding? Nigga I just posted an entire article on the breakdown, you non-bet collecting faggot.

Shhhh, girl. I have been posting about this deal since page one. You were asking Caprisun_man for his thoughts :lol

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:37 PM
Like I said in my first reply to this announcement. There has to be some under the table deal in the works right now. That's the only way you can justify giving Kobe this contract. Counting on Ainge to deliver us from hell is more than a stretch.

I think it's justified...you cannot win if he's not happy....he's older but could have easily won the scoring title last season...he'll be monitored upon return and will be just fine....we don't need the explosive dunks all we need is the deft mid and deep range and strong post game which is unmatched by anyone in the league today...what did you expect to accomplishment by giving him 15 mill / yr...who did you expect to sign that would make a difference....we need a new big 3...Melo, Rondo, Kobe filler is easy

RsxPiimp
11-25-2013, 01:39 PM
I'm confident Nash is going to retire next season. I know Jim is not half the owner like his Dad was, but I have a gut feeling they already have plans to relieve Nash to offer Kobe this much. They're probably keeping Pau, re-sign Hill (MLE type of $) and go after another big FA. Melo or Rondo like KoolAidman said.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:40 PM
Knicks are stupid enough to give 20 mil annually if he resigns with them. He wont go to LA to play for less in team that wouldnt win shit either.

Melo wants to be in the lime light...once the Knicks finishes last watch how fast he joins the Lakers....

HarlemHeat37
11-25-2013, 01:41 PM
:lol Lakers' blowing their cap space on Carmelo and/or Rondo would set them back another 7-8 years, tbh..

I don't know why Laker fan wants either of them..

Mal
11-25-2013, 01:41 PM
Melo wants to be in the lime light...once the Knicks finishes last watch how fast he joins the Lakers....

Maybe, but not for 15 mil while Knicks are giving him 20, and Kirby is getting 24.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:42 PM
It's a celebration bitches :lol

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/kobecontract_zps98541074.jpg

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:42 PM
I'm confident Nash is going to retire next season. I know Jim is not half the owner like his Dad was, but I have a gut feeling they already have plans to relieve Nash to offer Kobe this much. They're probably keeping Pau, re-sign Hill (MLE type of $) and go after another big FA. Melo or Rondo like KoolAidman said.

No :lol he said Melo and Rondo. That is virtually impossible on it's own, let alone with keeping Pau & Hill. What is with dummies like yall that can't grasp it even with DPG giving you NBA for Dummies?

sook
11-25-2013, 01:42 PM
I'm sure Jerry Buss is looking up and smiling at all of them today :).

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:43 PM
Maybe, but not for 15 mil while Knicks are giving him 20, and Kirby is getting 24.

he will...once he see's how the east is going...he'll be laughed out of NY....it's already going down the tubes...he won't have much of a choice tbh....

spurraider21
11-25-2013, 01:43 PM
I can see both sides of the argument, tbh..

- IMO, securing Kobe is a good move for the Lakers, regardless of the money..realistically, the Lakers weren't and aren't going to win anything in the next 3-5 years..their roster is terrible, they have no prospects or assets, they weren't going to acquire Lebron or Durant, etc..

Also, management is already under scrutiny with fans..they realize they aren't going to win, so the obvious move is to reach a peace treaty with the fans, which is allowing Kobe to stay on the team and chase the scoring record, which is at least something Laker fan can cheer for, knowing they aren't going to win anything substantial as a team any time in the near future..

Kobe has the biggest cult following in sports, tbh..most of his fans would literally eat his ass if he asked them to do it..Laker fan would never forgive Lakers' management if they let Kobe go, tbh..this move keeps them happy, allows Kobe to potentially retire as a Laker, and allows him to chase records with no team expectations..

- Lakers can still try to make a splash by signing somebody like Kevin Love or Westbrook and have them play with Kobe for 1 year until he retires, and then build around that player, tbh..

- The problem arises if the Lakers' blow their cap space on Carmelo, he's fat and on the decline..it will make them the Knicks of the West for the next 7-8 years..another problem would be if they use their cap space with the intention of building a contender around Kobe, which just isn't possible at this point of his career, tbh..

- As for Kobe, it is strange that he still needs to make 25 million a year when he's already rich as fuck and only has a few more years remaining in the NBA, tbh:lol..I don't blame him, at all, though..everybody should realize that his wife calls the shots, this has been evident for a minute, this power move was probably entirely orchestrated by Vanessa Bryant..

- This is the best scenario for Kobe, tbh..chase the scoring records with no pressure to win, he will have the poor supporting cast card, media will blame D'Antoni and Lakers management, and he'll enjoy his bank account and neglect his FG%..
there is not a gif powerful enough to serve this post justice. not even the banderas one.

:worthy:

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:44 PM
No :lol he said Melo and Rondo. That is virtually impossible on it's own, let alone with keeping Pau & Hill. What is with dummies like yall that can't grasp it even with DPG giving you NBA for Dummies?

you're flat out wrong

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:44 PM
there is not a gif powerful enough to serve this post justice. not even the banderas one.

:worthy:

get of your knees and stop sucking a dude that's sucking Le-Hairline

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:47 PM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/9tZCa_zps27d735f8.jpg

resistanze
11-25-2013, 01:47 PM
The 15-time All-Star has career earnings of $279 million, including this season, and his new deal will push that figure to $327 million.

:lol A nigga gotta eat, damn.

Kobe is that dude...he knew the case for rings is over - are they really gonna beat the Heat/Spurs/Thunder/GSW/Pacers/Rockets in the next 2 seasons?

Gummi Clutch
11-25-2013, 01:47 PM
I'm sure Jerry Buss is looking up and smiling at all of them today :).
LMFAO :lol :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:l ol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol :lol

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 01:48 PM
I don't get it. You want Kobe to be an alpha on the court and the Lakers FO to be a bully at the "table" but Kobe to be lamb at the table?
That makes no sense. if the FO was not supposed to get screwed then why would Kobe? Again kobe had the leverage. We have no star in waiting like the Spurs had developed with parker. Sure, tony is not half the man tony is ... but who is our young stud ready to ball on the court and put butts in the seats?
They gambled on Dwight and lost. PERIOD. It's Kobe's show now for better or worse.
We need a star when Kobe leaves that is why I support tanking ...

What's the difference between having a star and not winning titles and not having a star and winning titles? More money spent... that's it. As a business owner I have no choice but to see it from the perspective of a boss... not an employee. This is why I was in favor of the owners during the last lockout. We already gave Kobe his golden parachute with his last contract. We added more talent around him... Nash, Howard, and Jamison, and failed miserably. If we can land Melo and Rajon then maybe we can make some noise, but that's only three players and another year later.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:48 PM
That's just his basketball money :hat

spurraider21
11-25-2013, 01:48 PM
get of your knees and stop sucking a dude that's sucking Le-Hairline
i'm hardly a harlem fan, he'll be the first to tell you that. but i give credit where its due. and its funny hearing Caprisun_Man, the guy who is sucking kobe off so hard that he actually thinks this is a guy contract, tell me to get off my knees

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:51 PM
What's the difference between having a star and not winning titles and not having a star and winning titles? More money spent... that's it. As a business owner I have no choice but to see it from the perspective of a boss... not an employee. This is why I was in favor of the owners during the last lockout. We already gave Kobe his golden parachute with his last contract. We added more talent around him... Nash, Howard, and Jamison, and failed miserably. If we can land Melo and Rajon then maybe we can make some noise, but that's only three players and another year later.

Nash, Jamison were old...that really wasn't a talent upgrade only in name...Dwight was and is (as has been proven by his time in Houston) a retard....Melo and Rondo are a total different beast than Dwight and Nash

Deuce Bigalow
11-25-2013, 01:52 PM
And there goes any chance Kobe had at #6 :lol
It wouldn't have counted though. Carried by MVPau and Jordan Hill most dominant frontcourt

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 01:53 PM
The 15-time All-Star has career earnings of $279 million, including this season, and his new deal will push that figure to $327 million.

:lol A nigga gotta eat, damn.

Kobe is that dude...he knew the case for rings is over - are they really gonna beat the Heat/Spurs/Thunder/GSW/Pacers/Rockets in the next 2 seasons?
And when he is finished, Vanessa is gonna rob him blind :lol

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:54 PM
And when he is finished, Vanessa is gonna rob him blind :lol

I won't argue with it...MJ got robbed too...Kobe should have cut his losses when he had the chance

Deuce Bigalow
11-25-2013, 01:55 PM
Kirby will get his 6th :cry

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 01:56 PM
Vanessa, the O.G, triple O.G

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:56 PM
you're flat out wrong

Prove it.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:56 PM
fuck yall...it's a ncie day...i'm finna go jack off will be right back...

resistanze
11-25-2013, 01:57 PM
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=10035318

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 01:57 PM
Prove it.

hey numnuts...I will once Buss starts doing what I theorize...

baseline bum
11-25-2013, 01:59 PM
dat pick wont be that great and the draft will be weaker. But the Nash trade is actually worse than the kobe extension.

Im with Showtime fan, and Jam. But the real stupidity lies in the Lakers FO getting bent over by Kobe. Kobe is doing what an "alpha" does and is preying on the weak ...our front office has:

1. Hired Mike Brown to replace Phil ...
2. Traded a bushel of picks for an aging Nash.
3. Completed a blockbuster trade involving Denver/Philly and Orlando and finished third when the dust settled ...
4. Fired Brown and replaced him with Mike D instead of begging Phil ...
5. Begged Dwight to stay ...
6. Resign Kobe at a price above market vale (anything over Lebron is crazy at this point ...)
7. Choose not to tank in a loaded draft class ...

The titanic is sinking but the FO is still playing the strings telling us the ship in unsinkable as we continue take on water.

I think i have fulled boarded the tank train ...I was half on before ...

Kobe just being the alpha nothing more nothing less, he eats first ...same as it ever was. We won when he was the best player his mindset wont change and we wont rang. Oh well chances at 17 (who cares about 6) Were slim right now anyway.

Don't forget about the first rounder Orlando gets from the Howard trade.

DPG21920
11-25-2013, 01:59 PM
hey numnuts...I will once Buss starts doing what I theorize...

I already explained to you how this works. Refute my points line by line or admit you're wrong. Again.

:lmao being dumber than a short guy & your idol raping your dreams/franchise

StrengthAndHonor
11-25-2013, 02:03 PM
Just doesn't make sense signing him this quick. They have ample time to assess the situation and determine Kobe's value by the off season. Lakers also miss on the opportunity to go after trades before the deadline, with so little cap space left.

Arnold Toht
11-25-2013, 02:07 PM
Jesus Christ.

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 02:13 PM
Just doesn't make sense signing him this quick. They have ample time to assess the situation and determine Kobe's value by the off season. Lakers also miss on the opportunity to go after trades before the deadline, with so little cap space left.


You don't need cap space to make trades, you fucking bum. This is what happens when you root for a team that stays out of the loop.

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 02:14 PM
Jesus Christ.
Fredo.

Arnold Toht
11-25-2013, 02:16 PM
I just can't bring myself to defend either side... the 5-timer or the front office.


I hope 5-4 lives on.

StrengthAndHonor
11-25-2013, 02:19 PM
You don't need cap space to make trades, you fucking bum. This is what happens when you root for a team that stays out of the loop.

NO, you misunderstood and you completely miss the point. Generally, when teams make trades by mid season, finances , like any legitimate business are taken into consideration. Kobe taking almost half of the cap space limits any future moves they have, they're buried so deep in penalties which makes every dollar count. And Cap space is always part of the equation, I can't believe you made that statement. :lol

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 02:20 PM
I already explained to you how this works. Refute my points line by line or admit you're wrong. Again.

:lmao being dumber than a short guy & your idol raping your dreams/franchise

you tried and failed....you just rendered an opinion that is wrong par the course

spurraider21
11-25-2013, 02:20 PM
NO, you misunderstood and you completely miss the point. Generally, when teams make trades by mid season, finances , like any legitimate business are taken into consideration. Kobe taking almost half of the cap space limits any future moves they have, they're buried so deep in penalties which makes every dollar count.
no. the only thing hindering the lakers from making trades is their shitty assets. the only real tradeable piece is pau, but his huge salary makes it tough for a deal to actually go through

StrengthAndHonor
11-25-2013, 02:23 PM
No, what? Why do you think some potential trades doesn't go through? It's because the numbers doesn't work.

Buddy Mignon
11-25-2013, 02:23 PM
NO, you misunderstood and you completely miss the point. Generally, when teams make trades by mid season, finances , like any legitimate business are taken into consideration. Kobe taking almost half of the cap space limits any future moves they have, they're buried so deep in penalties which makes every dollar count. And Cap space is always part of the equation, I can't believe you made that statement. :lol

wow... what did the rich man say to the beggar when the beggar offered his advice?

AchillesHeel
11-25-2013, 02:25 PM
:lmao getting 24 mil a year

what are the Lakers thinking, tbh? They sign the extension before even seeing how Kirby plays after his achilles tear, and they already used up their amnesty provision

this will end well...

StrengthAndHonor
11-25-2013, 02:29 PM
wow... what did the rich man say to the beggar when the beggar offered his advice?
You're thinking by the book, I was talking long term.

hater
11-25-2013, 02:31 PM
:lmao getting 24 mil a year

what are the Lakers thinking, tbh? They sign the extension before even seeing how Kirby plays after his achilles tear, and they already used up their amnesty provision

this will end well...

if Kobe had come back and dropped 20ppg in his first 3 games, you can bet his asking price would have been closer to twice over 24 mil

good business decision from both sides.

StrengthAndHonor
11-25-2013, 02:32 PM
no. the only thing hindering the lakers from making trades is their shitty assets. the only real tradeable piece is pau, but his huge salary makes it tough for a deal to actually go through
That not true, Jordan Hill plus Blake and Meeks who are expiring can net them a decent return.

AchillesHeel
11-25-2013, 02:33 PM
if Kobe had come back and dropped 20ppg in his first 3 games, you can bet his asking price would have been closer to twice over 24 mil

good business decision from both sides.

:lol, tbh.

hater
11-25-2013, 02:36 PM
imo Rose's knee exploding is what triggered Kobe to seek finalizing the deal and a lower asking price.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 02:37 PM
yall all need to get off Kobe's dick...nigga just got paid now it's time to win one more chip...

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 02:38 PM
Kobe just a sent a message to Lebron, Durant, Wade, et al....

I got 5 rings and you niggas still can't get paid like me ;-)

Splits
11-25-2013, 02:39 PM
if Kobe had come back and dropped 20ppg in his first 3 games, you can bet his asking price would have been closer to twice over 24 mil

good business decision from both sides.

This is probably true, it's the only thing that makes sense. They've seen him in practice, have his medical reports, etc.

So the Kirbs camp was "$48m now or $66m when I come back and lead the league in scoring (on 35 FGA a game)".

And Fredo was like "Mitch?"

And Mitch was like "DO IT!"

And so it was done.

Mugen
11-25-2013, 02:39 PM
http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/23912_2GktauBpPdIJ03z.jpg

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 02:39 PM
Kobe still tha DON of the league after 18 yrs in

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 02:41 PM
and this singing sent a message to free agents...LA is still the place to be and they will still reward you if you bring da goods...it was a symbolic gesture of epic proportions and sent the right message to any would be free agents that the Lakers aren't done and are looking to go all in the next two years salary cap be DAM

The Gemini Method
11-25-2013, 02:45 PM
Whoa.

da_suns_fan
11-25-2013, 02:46 PM
After last year's DEBACLE, the last thing Mitch wanted was for the Lakers org to get into a spat with Kobe over money.

Keep Kobe and keep Kobe happy. Laker fans need SOMETHING after the Dwightmare.

They just showed a lot of loyalty to a guy who asked to be traded when the going got tough.

Mugen
11-25-2013, 02:47 PM
and this singing sent a message to free agents...LA is still the place to be and they will still reward you if you bring da goods...it was a symbolic gesture of epic proportions and sent the right message to any would be free agents that the Lakers aren't done and are looking to go all in the next two years salary cap be DAM

:lol i got your symbolic gesture right here

http://www.thoughtsofajeanius.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/dwight-howard-stay-with-lakers.jpg

da_suns_fan
11-25-2013, 02:48 PM
and this singing sent a message to free agents...LA is still the place to be and they will still reward you if you bring da goods...it was a symbolic gesture of epic proportions and sent the right message to any would be free agents that the Lakers aren't done and are looking to go all in the next two years salary cap be DAM

This actually might be true. Durants agent might be saying "look at that front office! They just paid 48 million to a guy whos 35 and has a ruptured achilles!!"

Brunodf
11-25-2013, 02:49 PM
:lol And Spurs fans thought that Manu contract was bad

AchillesHeel
11-25-2013, 02:50 PM
And guys, this 2-year extension is not just for Kirby, it's for me, too http://www.pngfaces.com/images/joomgallery/thumbnails/by_genre_10/sports_13/nba_15/nba-michael_jordan-amused_20120321_1352712993.png

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 03:00 PM
What's the difference between having a star and not winning titles and not having a star and winning titles? More money spent... that's it. As a business owner I have no choice but to see it from the perspective of a boss... not an employee. This is why I was in favor of the owners during the last lockout. We already gave Kobe his golden parachute with his last contract. We added more talent around him... Nash, Howard, and Jamison, and failed miserably. If we can land Melo and Rajon then maybe we can make some noise, but that's only three players and another year later.

Ok but as a business owner you do realize you need a product to sell ...right? Sure there are die hard fans that will watch the Lakers no matter what, but being as popular as we are we have plenty of bandwaggoners as well. I can say "screw" those who dont have the stomach to rebuild sans Kobe, but what about the others? you gonna piss off half your fan-base by getting in a contract dispute with arguably your franchise's 2nd greatest player?

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 03:03 PM
Ok but as a business owner you do realize you need a product to sell ...right? Sure there are die hard fans that will watch the Lakers no matter what, but being as popular as we are we have plenty of bandwaggoners as well. I can say "screw" those who dont have the stomach to rebuild sans Kobe, but what about the others? you gonna piss off half your fan-base by getting in a contract dispute with arguably your franchise's 2nd greatest player?

Kobe is greater than Magic case closed....and once he gets that 6th you better sang it :toast

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 03:05 PM
It was dumb on Laker's FO side ...
A "g" move by Kobe on the business side ... And suicide for Kobe's quest for 6 ... And my hopes for 17 ...
I just want one (more titles) over the Celts before I die ...as a OG Laker fan that is all that matters.
If Kobe is content with 5 so be it ...1

Killakobe81
11-25-2013, 03:05 PM
Kobe is greater than Magic case closed....and once he gets that 6th you better sang it :toast

Cant go there yet, playa. Can't. Especially not TODAY.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 03:09 PM
Cant go there yet, playa. Can't. Especially not TODAY.

He does everything better than Magic except pass

da_suns_fan
11-25-2013, 03:09 PM
For the second time in his career, Kobe is guilty of rape.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 03:10 PM
For the second time in his career, Kobe is guilty of rape.

:lmao and it still justified

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 03:12 PM
For the second time in his career, Kobe is guilty of rape.
More rapes than MVPs.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 03:12 PM
MJ got raped by the bulls..I'd rape than get raped ;-)

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 03:13 PM
MJ got raped by the bulls..I'd rape than get raped ;-)
Can you put together a coherent sentence you baboon?

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 03:15 PM
Can you put together a coherent sentence you baboon?

Sure...Do you care to share with those of us in a civilized society how the Bulls anally raped Air Juandice for years.....and he apparently liked it :lol

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 03:16 PM
Sure...Do you care to share with those of us in a civilized society how the Bulls anally raped Air Juandice for years.....and he apparently liked it :lol
Not the way Kobe will get raped by the O.G. Vanessa.

Koolaid_Man
11-25-2013, 03:17 PM
Not the way Kobe will get raped by the O.G. Vanessa.

In denial I see....:hatThe Bulls flipped MJ's ass more than some hot flap jacks on Sunday morning before church :hat

tlongII
11-25-2013, 03:18 PM
:lmao

What the hell are the Lakers thinking? Kobe is a washed up scrub!

:lmao

Texas_Ranger
11-25-2013, 03:18 PM
lol Lakers

Michael Jordan.
11-25-2013, 03:19 PM
In denial I see....:hatThe Bulls flipped MJ's ass more than some hot flap jacks on Sunday morning before church :hat
And Kobe buttfucked Jerry's corpse to the tune of 48 mil. At least Jerry let him finish :lol