Official Trade/Signing Ideas Thread

[Mel_13]

You missed the point. You missed the point.

I don't think I did. Your words were clear.

[Chinook]

The Spurs could save an extra $750K by getting rid of Daye, and perhaps an extra $1m if Baynes is not extended a QO. The thing is, those are not bad contracts, and the Spurs will need some of those cheap deals to fill up the roster. Both are young, potentially "project" guys.

Bringing back Matty for the vet minimum will likely cost almost $1.5m, so that's another angle to consider.

Min contracts can be signed at any time, so the team doesn't have to earmark cap space for Bonner. If anything, Matt's high min salary s a good thing.

[tholdren]

Yes, he's entitled to post on any subject he pleases. As are you. As am I.

When someone posts, they invite comments on their posts. Just as you have just commented on mine.

That's how it works.

Yes, the irony is you called him out for trolling, then obviously trolled, as you are now, by responding on a tangent and avoiding any and all accusations/wrongdoing.

not a very inventive style if you ask me.

[ElNono]

They would if Duncan opted out and in for less. It's not likely to happen though. Boris has another thing coming if he thinks he's going to touch 2 years $18M. He can dream though.

Tim already took a paycut on his current deal. If Tim opts in, it's going to be on those $10m...

[ElNono]

Min contracts can be signed at any time, so the team doesn't have to earmark cap space for Bonner. If anything, Matt's high min salary s a good thing.

I thought if they sign him before the season starts, he counts towards the cap?

[Chinook]

I thought if they sign him before the season starts, he counts towards the cap?


It always counts toward the cap, but the Spurs could use their cap space and still sign Bonner afterwards.

[Mel_13]

Yes, the irony is you called him out for trolling, then obviously trolled, as you are now, by responding on a tangent and avoiding any and all accusations/wrongdoing.

not a very inventive style if you ask me.

I have no idea what you're ranting about.

[ElNono]

My point was if someone was to get that kind of money, I'd rather it be Pau.. Mills gave up money last year to opt in and prove to Pop that he can be a rotation guy, so I don't think he's against staying if it was up to him. Also, he might not get the big money he expects because Lebron could make 10M/yr next season, and I doubt Patty will get offered anywhere close to that, even by a lottery team. RC should match any offer IMO

The only way the Spurs could offer $9m/year is by getting Patty extremely cheaply (around $2m/year, unlikely) and by backloading the other deal (ie: 3 years, $7m/$9m/$11m). And I'm not even sure that $2m backloading is even legal under the CBA.

[ElNono]

It always counts toward the cap, but the Spurs could use their cap space and still sign Bonner afterwards.

I see, thanks. So the risk would be with the Spurs having to keep an eye not to get pushed towards the luxury threshold.

[tholdren]

I have no idea what you're ranting about.

to refresh your memory and keep you from troll-jocking
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Mel_13 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7450458#post7450458)
That's not how it works. Learn the rules before you post.

I don't have the time nor the inclination to spoonfeed someone who spends as much time trolling as you do.

Rest assured that anyone who understands this business has already identified you as a poser.

So, if you want to sit at the big people table then learn the rules and stop the troll jobs. Otherwise, troll away.

[Chinook]

I see, thanks. So the risk would be with the Spurs having to keep an eye not to get pushed towards the luxury threshold.

Yeah, but as Mel said, if it's a one-year deal, it'd only count for about a million against ths cap/tax.

[Mel_13]

to refresh your memory and keep you from troll-jocking
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Mel_13 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7450458#post7450458)
That's not how it works. Learn the rules before you post.

I don't have the time nor the inclination to spoonfeed someone who spends as much time trolling as you do.

Rest assured that anyone who understands this business has already identified you as a poser.

So, if you want to sit at the big people table then learn the rules and stop the troll jobs. Otherwise, troll away.

I posted that. What's your point?

[ElNono]

Yeah, but as Mel said, if it's a one-year deal, it'd only count for about a million against ths cap/tax.

it will be interesting to see where the threshold is set at.. IIRC, it hasn't been growing at the same pace as the cap...

[Chinook]

it will be interesting to see where the threshold is set at.. IIRC, it hasn't been growing at the same pace as the cap...

It'd be weird if it wasn't. The floor, cap and tax are each percentages of revenue, if I recall correctly. They should all stay proportionate to each other.

[Mel_13]

it will be interesting to see where the threshold is set at.. IIRC, it hasn't been growing at the same pace as the cap...

It's tied to same calculations, IIRC. I've read that the tax line will be around 77M if the cap is 63M. They won't be in any danger of touching 77M, even with nice raises for Boris and Patty and using the full MLE.

[SpursRock20]

It's tied to same calculations, IIRC. I've read that the tax line will be around 77M if the cap is 63M. They won't be in any danger of touching 77M, even with nice raises for Boris and Patty and using the full MLE.

You mind elaborating on "nice raises"? Is that like 9 mil for Boris and 5 mil for Patty?

[ElNono]

It'd be weird if it wasn't. The floor, cap and tax are each percentages of revenue, if I recall correctly. They should all stay proportionate to each other.

I just looked it up, and you're correct. My confusion stems because they did narrow the gap, percentage-wise, in the 2011 CBA (used to be a 10% gap between cap and luxury, now it's a 8.77% gap).

As the BRI increases, the amount of money that makes up the gap should also increase.

[Mel_13]

You mind elaborating on "nice raises"? Is that like 9 mil for Boris and 5 mil for Patty?

Those would certainly be nice raises and, most would agree, near the upper limit of what they can hope for. Then the length of the contract comes into play. With Patty, the possibility to start could also be a factor.

[Poolboy5623]

Any predictions on who this summer's ak47 will be?

[Chinook]

Any predictions on who this summer's ak47 will be?

Meaning, what? The guy whom Spurs fans covet but goes to another team or the guy who unexpectedly gets a small contract?

[Poolboy5623]

Meaning, what? The guy whom Spurs fans covet but goes to another team or the guy who unexpectedly gets a small contract?

Both?...minimum 50-70 thread pages..

[Chinook]

Both?...minimum 50-70 thread pages..

I doubt there are any from the Spurs' perspective. The team has no hole for which they should pursue a veteran. Last year it was Kirilenko. Two years before that it was Caron Butler/Grant Hill. I doubt the Spurs are really going to target anyone this year unless they lose Mills and/or Diaw.

[Poolboy5623]

I know...different year..different situations. Boris is this year's ak, unless he signs early.

[100%duncan]

I just really hope we can bring patty and boris back... That's all I ask

[superbigtime]

Nobody talking about Baynes, I hope he can find a spot.

[tholdren]

Nobody talking about Baynes, I hope he can find a spot.
If Diaw and Mills are both looking for big time pay-days, then there may have to be some tough decisions to be made. I too, want to see Baynes get another year.

[cd021]

You mind elaborating on "nice raises"? Is that like 9 mil for Boris and 5 mil for Patty?

I'd think $6 million and 4 million (on average per season) for Diaw and Mills. I'm not sure I'd go any higher than that for either of them.

[Mel_13]

I'd think $6 million and 4 million (on average per season) for Diaw and Mills. I'm not sure I'd go any higher than that for either of them.

You have to be willing to go higher to keep Boris. They have Cory behind Patty, but there is no Plan B on the roster for Boris.

[Emperor]

No need to go higher than that unless they are other teams willing to take Boris away by overpaying him. A 2 million dollar payraise should be good enough but we'll see.

[cd021]

It's tied to same calculations, IIRC. I've read that the tax line will be around 77M if the cap is 63M. They won't be in any danger of touching 77M, even with nice raises for Boris and Patty and using the full MLE.

I read somewhere that the Spurs would need to renounce the rights of their free agents (because of cap holds) then they will be able to use the bird rights for Mills and Diaw along with the mid level.

If if figured correctly, the Spurs would have $52.7 million to 9 players if they renounced everyone (including Daye, and not including the $1 million to the 30th pick if we use it). Could the Spurs use the cap space and then exceed the cap by using the bird rights and allowing the Spurs to then have access to the MLE or another exception if they opt to use it?

[cd021]

You have to be willing to go higher to keep Boris. They have Cory behind Patty, but there is no Plan B on the roster for Boris.

I think they would be bidding against themselves. His value to the Spurs is different to his value on the rest of the league . I don't necessarily think he is worth $8-9 a year but if it doesn't hurt our ability to make improvements elsewhere It doesn't matter as much. I'd think a 3 year, $18-20 million is more than fair.

[Mel_13]

I think they would be bidding against themselves. His value to the Spurs is different to his value on the rest of the league . I don't necessarily think he is worth $8-9 a year but if it doesn't hurt our ability to make improvements elsewhere It doesn't matter as much. I'd think a 3 year, $18-20 million is more than fair.

I meant that they need to be willing to go higher than 6-7 if there are suitors for Boris at a higher price.

[Mel_13]

I read somewhere that the Spurs would need to renounce the rights of their free agents (because of cap holds) then they will be able to use the bird rights for Mills and Diaw along with the mid level.

If if figured correctly, the Spurs would have $52.7 million to 9 players if they renounced everyone (including Daye, and not including the $1 million to the 30th pick if we use it). Could the Spurs use the cap space and then exceed the cap by using the bird rights and allowing the Spurs to then have access to the MLE or another exception if they opt to use it?

They only need to renounce rights if they plan on signing on a free agent using cap space. A team can use cap space or the MLE, never both in the same season. There are, however, many scenarios where a team can use cap space to sign a free agent and then use other exceptions later on to exceed the cap.

For example, if Leonard isn't extended this summer, he'll be a restricted free agent next summer. His cap will be around 4M. Until he signs a new contract, that is the number used in cap calculations. With that lower number, the Spurs could sign a free agent with available cap space and then sign Leonard to any amount up to the max. They would also be able to use the so called "room exception" in that scenario and also add players signed to vet minimum contracts.

[Seventyniner]

Not killing you. Just calling you ignorant on this subject.

Quit being modest, you killed him 2 pages ago. Everything since has just been pissing on the corpse.

[DPG21920]

You have to be willing to go higher to keep Boris. They have Cory behind Patty, but there is no Plan B on the roster for Boris.

Are the Spurs not allowed to resign both Patty & Boris after using cap space since they have both played 3 years with the Spurs? I must be missing something as I have a feeling I'm off..

More specifically: The Spurs should be able to re-sign both Boris/Patty and still have the MLE correct? They don't have to use "cap space" to sign those two is what I am getting at. Don't know why this has me turned around.

[spurraider21]

Are the Spurs not allowed to resign both Patty & Boris after using cap space since they have both played 3 years with the Spurs? I must be missing something as I have a feeling I'm off..
they can, but the cap space will be limited due to cap holds unless they renounce bird rights

[Mel_13]

Are the Spurs not allowed to resign both Patty & Boris after using cap space since they have both played 3 years with the Spurs? I must be missing something as I have a feeling I'm off..

More specifically: The Spurs should be able to re-sign both Boris/Patty and still have the MLE correct? They don't have to use "cap space" to sign those two is what I am getting at. Don't know why this has me turned around.

They have Bird Rights on both, so they can sign them both using the Bird Exception and still use the MLE. Can't use the MLE and cap space in the same season.

[TheGreatYacht]

I think there's still a lot of hype surrounding him so we can take advantage of that.

He's a terrible offensive player so we can exploit dumbass teams.


I say we trade leonard for Ariza and Beal...

[Chinook]

TGY dropping the guillotine on apa. But people have bad takes. I also was willing to trade Kawhi for a great haul. In fact, I'm still not convinced the Spurs don't win in 2013 and 2014 with Ariza and Porter over Kawhi. But obviously, the Spurs were right to keep their young star.

Harlem was a huge Green hater for most of the first couple seasons. He and I used to spar over Danny all the time. I was in favor of trading Tony for Valanciunas back in the day. Happens.

[apalisoc_9]

TGY dropping the guillotine on apa. But people have bad takes. I also was willing to trade Kawhi for a great haul. In fact, I'm still not convinced the Spurs don't win in 2013 and 2014 with Ariza and Porter over Kawhi. But obviously, the Spurs were right to keep their young star.

Harlem was a huge Green hater for most of the first couple seasons. He and I used to spar over Danny all the time. I was in favor of trading Tony for Valanciunas back in the day. Happens.

Just because your opinion matters, I'll respond. That thread was specifically made in response to someones opinion about Bradley Beal being better than Kawhi Leonard. It was a top player list in the NBA forum which a few of the peeps here some to have agreed. :lol

It was a sarcasm thread.

Kinda sucks that I have to admit this now because I was enjoying the hits and bumps on my thread last night. Thought the thread would blow up to 10 pages in one day.. Still some time tough. :lol

[BD24]

Just because your opinion matters, I'll respond. That thread was specifically made in response to someones opinion about Bradley Beal being better than Kawhi Leonard. It was a top player list in the NBA forum which a few of the peeps here some to have agreed. :lol

It was a sarcasm thread.

Kinda sucks that I have to admit this now because I was enjoying the hits and bumps on my thread last night. Thought the thread would blow up to 10 pages in one day.. Still some time tough. :lol
Biggest Kawhi hater on the board, trying to spin the gameplan route.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225796

[apalisoc_9]

TGY dropping the guillotine on apa. But people have bad takes. I also was willing to trade Kawhi for a great haul. In fact, I'm still not convinced the Spurs don't win in 2013 and 2014 with Ariza and Porter over Kawhi. But obviously, the Spurs were right to keep their young star.

Harlem was a huge Green hater for most of the first couple seasons. He and I used to spar over Danny all the time. I was in favor of trading Tony for Valanciunas back in the day. Happens.

Someone even made a thread about me, again. That's like the 20th Apo thread in less than a month :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:cry I game planned the whole thing :cryllol sad

[BD24]

lol sad
He slept on it all night and thats the best he could come up with. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

He slept on it all night and thats the best he could come up with. :lolNo shit. After that meltdown last night, there's no way to spin it now.

Dude could have made the claim immediately to save face. Not now.