Sumlin lobbied hard for USC job

[Michael Jordan.]

http://rumorsandrants.com/2013/12/exclusive-kevin-sumlin-lobbied-hard-for-usc-job.html

:lol Aggy

[symple19]

Not a credible source :lol

[DMX7]

Of course he wanted it.

[monosylab1k]

tbh I think if he really lobbied for it he would have it. Would they really pick Sarkisian over him?

[JMarkJohns]

Sark is family and Sumlin is largely viewed as a Manziel creation.

[monosylab1k]

Except for his whole successful pre-Manziel coaching career.

[JMarkJohns]

At Houston... USC doesn't give a shit about Houston.

Lobbied is an ambiguous term, as one can call to express interest and church on process status and reaffirm interest, but I don't consider that lobbied. Lobby to me indicates excessive levels of interest, public acknowledgement of interest, even at the expense of current employment.

Jack del Rio lobbied. That said, that's just my interpretation.

The truth is, if USC or Texas are expressing genuine interest, you'd be a fool to stay at A&M. It's not level ground. In college football the difference twixt very good gigs and great gigs is monumental.

[Clipper Nation]

Except for his whole successful pre-Manziel coaching career.
His Houston career was no different than his Aggy career, tbh.... he's a questionable coach at best who's been lucky enough to stand on the sidelines while Keenum and Johnny Inbred pad their stats, tbh.... he didn't even recruit Keenum or Inbred, tbh :lol

Also, Briles (a real coach) did all the hard work of making Houston respectable again, while Sumlin merely reaped the benefits of it after Briles left.... then he was handed a bunch of talent that Sherman had recruited when he went to Aggy....

[Michael Jordan.]

His Houston career was no different than his Aggy career, tbh.... he's a questionable coach at best who's been lucky enough to stand on the sidelines while Keenum and Johnny Inbred pad their stats, tbh.... he didn't even recruit Keenum or Inbred, tbh :lol

Also, Briles (a real coach) did all the hard work of making Houston respectable again, while Sumlin merely reaped the benefits of it after Briles left.... then he was handed a bunch of talent that Sherman had recruited when he went to Aggy....

My nigga CN dropping troofbombs. Briles had Keenum there already, and Briles also made Kolb look decent.

[Holden_Caulfield]

man i thought sumlin and johnny to the texans was inevitable :cry

[Michael Jordan.]

man i thought sumlin and johnny to the texans was inevitable :cry
:lol thank gawd based gawd

[Clipper Nation]

man i thought sumlin and johnny to the texans was inevitable :cry
That's another thing - I don't get the idea some people have that Sumlin will end up in the NFL, tbh.... he's a college coach who runs a gimmick offense, and he has no track record of player development to speak of.... he would just be another Spurrier at the NFL level, imho....

If you're going to hire a college coach for an NFL team, it would have to be someone like Briles, Petersen, or Snyder, who have a long history of developing low-ranked and overlooked recruits into NFL talent, tbh....

[Holden_Caulfield]

That's another thing - I don't get the idea some people have that Sumlin will end up in the NFL, tbh.... he's a college coach who runs a gimmick offense, and he has no track record of player development to speak of.... he would just be another Spurrier at the NFL level, imho....

If you're going to hire a college coach for an NFL team, it would have to be someone like Briles, Petersen, or Snyder, who have a long history of developing low-ranked and overlooked recruits into NFL talent, tbh....
damn nigga i was just kidding, i know the clippers lost last night but chill broheim :lol

but yeah good takes though :tu, petersen should gtfo of boise, tbh

[Bill_Brasky]

Sark is family and Sumlin is largely viewed as a Manziel creation.

is Sark really that much better than Sumlin though? seemed pretty mediocre at UW. I don't know how they didn't hire Orgeron after what he was able to do. pretty dumb.

[Blake]

My nigga CN dropping troofbombs. Briles had Keenum there already, and Briles also made Kolb look decent.

Holgorson was there too

[JMarkJohns]

is Sark really that much better than Sumlin though? seemed pretty mediocre at UW. I don't know how they didn't hire Orgeron after what he was able to do. pretty dumb.

Sark is family. That forgives a multitude of sins.

But, yeah, USC took an average coach who'll recruit at an elite level, who's a bit of a dick... Sounds a lot like Kiffen, only Sark is their boy.

I'm really not sure why they settled. I doubt it's a "couldn't do better" situation. He'll, they could have offered 4+ million to Todd Graham at ASU and he'd have been a better choice.

Sumlin was a sexy name because of his offense and he could sell "developing" Johnny Heisman, but in the end they saw through the gimmick and realized it was better to get a known commodity. Sark is a damn good recruiter and motivator. Just have to have more talent so his coaching doesn't undercut progress.

But a big thing, I think, is I believe the AD can control Sark a bit more.

[monosylab1k]

His Houston career was no different than his Aggy career, tbh.... he's a questionable coach at best who's been lucky enough to stand on the sidelines while Keenum and Johnny Inbred pad their stats, tbh.... he didn't even recruit Keenum or Inbred, tbh :lol

Also, Briles (a real coach) did all the hard work of making Houston respectable again, while Sumlin merely reaped the benefits of it after Briles left.... then he was handed a bunch of talent that Sherman had recruited when he went to Aggy....

If Briles and Sherman did all the work at Houston and Aggy, why didn't they have the same success Sumlin had at those schools?

[JMarkJohns]

You mean 8-4 success this year?

Last year was a fluke and won't be repeated in this extension.

[monosylab1k]

Last year was a fluke

Your opinion, but regardless, it happened. It didn't happen with Mike Sherman.

Houston's winningest season in school history didn't happen with Art Briles.

[JMarkJohns]

And the Suns best records were coached by Westphal and D'Antoni. Not a single Suns fan would say either were great coaches, let alone best in team history.

Shits not always causal.

That's why Tebow's still unemployed despite a winning record as starting QB, including a playoff win.

A&M was foolish to extend him now. Cashed in on Johnny, who wasn't even his recruit.

[The Gemini Method]

Maybe we dodged a pitfall with Sumlin but Sarkisian is not going to fare any better than the Kiffin 2.0 moniker he has already garnered as our new coach.

[JMarkJohns]

I actually like Sumlin over Sark. I'm just explaining why USC likely didn't.

I think Sumlin is likeable, runs a quality gimmick offense, and is a better schemer than Sark. But I get the whole "unproven at elite level without Manziel" argument, and don't completely discount the "Sumlin cashed in on other's foundations/recruits" argument.

At A&M, he took over a team that was 16-9 previous two seasons, with 5 losses coming by one score, an O-line with a few NFL prospects, a quality defense, and an eventual Heisman winner who redshirted behind a 1st-rounder QB.

Sumlin inherited a good team with some bad luck, and reversed fortune just enough in just enough games to have an excellent season, but without the line and defense, those same breaks aren't there.

Just didn't prove enough.

[The Gemini Method]

I actually like Sumlin over Sark. I'm just explaining why USC likely didn't.

I think Sumlin is likeable, runs a quality gimmick offense, and is a better schemer than Sark. But I get the whole "unproven at elite level without Manziel" argument, and don't completely discount the "Sumlin cashed in on other's foundations/recruits" argument.

At A&M, he took over a team that was 16-9 previous two seasons, with 5 losses coming by one score, an O-line with a few NFL prospects, a quality defense, and an eventual Heisman winner who redshirted behind a 1st-rounder QB.

Sumlin inherited a good team with some bad luck, and reversed fortune just enough in just enough games to have an excellent season, but without the line and defense, those same breaks aren't there.

Just didn't prove enough.

I'm not disagreeing with you--I just don't rehash others' thoughts. That's what I think USC did and also the added known commodity was important because imagine if they did go the Sumlin route and they struggle to adjust and well, then the Orgeron apologists would grill Haden and the administration.

[Clipper Nation]

damn nigga i was just kidding, i know the clippers lost last night but chill broheim :lol

but yeah good takes though :tu, petersen should gtfo of boise, tbh
:lol I'm very chill, tbh....

Your post just reminded me of the delusional Aggyfans who were actually scared of him going to the NFL :lol

[Vito Corleone]

Let's not get crazy, Sumlin is a great motivator and a great offensive mind, he reminds me of Mike Leach, but like Leach he hasn't shown any ability to coach defense. Not a big deal if he is a CEO on that side, Mack is a CEO on both sides of the ball.

[leemajors]

The Aggies are playing a lot of young players on the D side aren't they?

[Vito Corleone]

The Aggies are playing a lot of young players on the D side aren't they?

True, but they weren't very good last year when they had lost of senior leadership. He was never known as a defensive coach at Houston either.

[DesignatedT]

:lol this source.

[Clipper Nation]

Mack is a CEO on both sides of the ball.
A Clapping, Emasculated OldFaggot?

[Vito Corleone]

A Clapping, Emasculated OldFaggot?

True, but he had his moments.

[Pelicans78]

Your opinion, but regardless, it happened. It didn't happen with Mike Sherman.

Houston's winningest season in school history didn't happen with Art Briles.

Briles built Houston from the ground up, plus C-USA was tougher when Briles was at Houston compared to win Sumlim was there.

[monosylab1k]

Briles built Houston from the ground up, plus C-USA was tougher when Briles was at Houston compared to win Sumlim was there.

Whatever. More excuses. More speculations and opinions. The bottom line is Sumlin took over at Houston and had more success than his predecessor. He didn't run the program into the ground or tread water. Same at A&M.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You can lol Aggy all you want but if USC hired Sark when Sumlin really wanted the job then they're retarded. One thing you can't give other coaches credit for is Sumlin's recruiting. A&M has a top 5 class this year and had a borderline top 5 class last year. Meanwhile Sark is a mediocre coach and a mediocre recruiter, there's nothing special about the guy.

[Blake]

You can lol Aggy all you want but if USC hired Sark when Sumlin really wanted the job then they're retarded. One thing you can't give other coaches credit for is Sumlin's recruiting. A&M has a top 5 class this year and had a borderline top 5 class last year. Meanwhile Sark is a mediocre coach and a mediocre recruiter, there's nothing special about the guy.

A good head coach needs to recruit well and hire top notch assistant coaches, so at least Sumlin can say he's done that.

But fwiw, Sherman was the one that brought Johnny FF to A&M while Holgorson brought Kingsbury in to Houston.

I think it's also easy to see that having a superstar at QB helps recruiting as well.

Sumlin has been in the right places at the right times. The jury is still out on him until he hits some rough times, imo.

[Michael Jordan.]

A good head coach needs to recruit well and hire top notch assistant coaches, so at least Sumlin can say he's done that.

But fwiw, Sherman was the one that brought Johnny FF to A&M while Holgorson brought Kingsbury in to Houston.

I think it's also easy to see that having a superstar at QB helps recruiting as well.

Sumlin has been in the right places at the right times. The jury is still out on him until he hits some rough times, imo.

This is true. Also, good recruiting classes don't matter if you can't manage the talent. Just ask Mack Turdfaggot.

[Bill_Brasky]

mack's shitty recruiting is why yall have no QB.

it's this guy's fault

http://i.imgur.com/wN98UIn.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

A good head coach needs to recruit well and hire top notch assistant coaches, so at least Sumlin can say he's done that.

But fwiw, Sherman was the one that brought Johnny FF to A&M while Holgorson brought Kingsbury in to Houston.

I think it's also easy to see that having a superstar at QB helps recruiting as well.

Sumlin has been in the right places at the right times. The jury is still out on him until he hits some rough times, imo.

Having a superstar QB does help recruiting but everyone and their dog knows Manziel is going NFL after this year. If Sumlin is using a QB who'll be in the NFL next year to recruit players for next year, I'd say he's a good recruiter :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

Having a superstar QB does help recruiting but everyone and their dog knows Manziel is going NFL after this year. If Sumlin is using a QB who'll be in the NFL next year to recruit players for next year, I'd say he's a good recruiter :lol
What happens when he doesn't have that luxury anymore? He didn't recruit Keenum or Manziel, quite a bit of luck so far. But we'll see.

[Blake]

Having a superstar QB does help recruiting but everyone and their dog knows Manziel is going NFL after this year. If Sumlin is using a QB who'll be in the NFL next year to recruit players for next year, I'd say he's a good recruiter :lol

I don't think the main selling point is playing with Manziel as much as it might be to say they helped turn him into a Heisman winner

[Sisk]

A good head coach needs to recruit well and hire top notch assistant coaches, so at least Sumlin can say he's done that.

But fwiw, Sherman was the one that brought Johnny FF to A&M while Holgorson brought Kingsbury in to Houston.

I think it's also easy to see that having a superstar at QB helps recruiting as well.

Sumlin has been in the right places at the right times. The jury is still out on him until he hits some rough times, imo.

This argument never ceases to amaze me. It's like saying Pop wouldn't have 4 rings without Duncan. Well, no shit. Sumlin has proven to be able to handle talented QBs time and time again. We have Kenny Hill and Kyle Allen next year. Want to bet that whoever starts will have a good year and good numbers?

[Michael Jordan.]

This argument never ceases to amaze me. It's like saying Pop wouldn't have 4 rings without Duncan. Well, no shit. Sumlin has proven to be able to handle talented QBs time and time again. We have Kenny Hill and Kyle Allen next year. Want to bet that whoever starts will have a good year and good numbers?
Manziel was a Heismen winner and Keenum put up numbers before Sumlin got there.

[Blake]

This argument never ceases to amaze me. It's like saying Pop wouldn't have 4 rings without Duncan. Well, no shit. Sumlin has proven to be able to handle talented QBs time and time again. We have Kenny Hill and Kyle Allen next year. Want to bet that whoever starts will have a good year and good numbers?

You're comparing pro basketball to college football? How neat.

I don't know what argument you think I'm making.

[Sisk]

You're comparing pro basketball to college football? How neat.


Congratulations on completely failing to understand the point.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What happens when he doesn't have that luxury anymore? He didn't recruit Keenum or Manziel, quite a bit of luck so far. But we'll see.
Well he got a commit from the #1 QB in the country this year so it's not like he isn't going to have a stud QB again.

[leemajors]

Well he got a commit from the #1 QB in the country this year so it's not like he isn't going to have a stud QB again.

http://i.imgur.com/wN98UIn.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Well yeah if Sumlin coddles Kyle Allen circa MBTF/Garrett Gilbert/etc. then I'll agree he's a shit coach.

[leemajors]

Well yeah if Sumlin coddles Kyle Allen circa MBTF/Garrett Gilbert/etc. then I'll agree he's a shit coach.

I don't think he is a shit coach, but we'll see what happens :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Btw :lmao that picture

[benefactor]

Round 2?