Texas Minuteman Leader Resigns

[Nbadan]

The head of the Texas Minuteman Civil Defense Corps has quit, saying he has been unable to overcome racism among members in Goliad.

National leaders say the resignation of Bill Parmley won't have any effect on the planned actions targeting illegal immigrants in Houston and other Texas cities this October.

However, they also acknowledge Parmley was a driving force in organizing that effort.

It was Parmley's idea to run operations in Houston targeting day laborers and the contractors who hire them. And Parmley, a petroleum geologist and landowner in Goliad County, bought the plane tickets to fly in national Minuteman leaders from Arizona last month to begin organizing efforts here.

Parmley said he has become concerned that some of the Minuteman activists in his region have a vendetta against the Goliad County sheriff, who is Hispanic.

He asserted they also have made comments about shooting illegal immigrants or letting them die from dehydration.

"That's their mind-set, and I don't want my name and my reputation associated with a group of people who are racist like that," he said.

Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3285468)

Rampant racism in the Minuteman Civil Defense Corp? Say it ain't so!!

[JoeChalupa]

I heard about this riff going on between the two men who started it all.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Parmley said he has become concerned that some of the Minuteman activists in his region have a vendetta against the Goliad County sheriff, who is Hispanic.

Just because they don't like the guy, who probably gives them shit for being out there, doesn't mean they're racist.

I don't know why you have such hate for the Minuteman Dan. Oh wait, I know - it's because they are actually doing something about our border problem, and your idea of progress for our society is socialism, letting any illegals who want to come over do so, and having an open border for Al Qaeda to come through.

Carry on, Nbadallah.

[JoeChalupa]

Just because they don't like the guy, who probably gives them shit for being out there, doesn't mean they're racist.

I don't know why you have such hate for the Minuteman Dan. Oh wait, I know - it's because they are actually doing something about our border problem, and your idea of progress for our society is socialism, letting any illegals who want to come over do so, and having an open border for Al Qaeda to come through.

Carry on, Nbadallah.

What about getting on our President to do something about it!!!!

And unless everyone forgot, the 9/11 hijackers did NOT come across our border illegally and it sure wasn't across our southern border. They entered our country LEGALLY!!!!!!!!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Joe,

I am all for the people up in DC to nut up and deal with it. Problem is, neither Democrats or Republicans want to deal with it because it would cost them votes.

It's indicative of everything wrong with our political system. Screw national security for the sake of votes.

It's a fucking joke, and one that is basically one of the biggest threats to our national security - politicians who won't do the right thing for the sake of losing some votes from a demographic.

Total bullshit, and tantamount to treason.

[JoeChalupa]

Joe,

I am all for the people up in DC to nut up and deal with it. Problem is, neither Democrats or Republicans want to deal with it because it would cost them votes.

It's indicative of everything wrong with our political system. Screw national security for the sake of votes.

It's a fucking joke, and one that is basically one of the biggest threats to our national security - politicians who won't do the right thing for the sake of losing some votes from a demographic.

Total bullshit, and tantamount to treason.

I agree, however Bush ran a strong National Security platform and has not done much to improve it. Kerry talked about increasing the inspections at our ports, while I'm not sure how feasible that would be, at least he talked about doing something.

This is Republican administration with a Republican congress and nothing is being done. Of course it is about the votes and Bush got 'em.
Now we must deal with it.

But I agree, this is not a republican or democratic issue but a NATIONAL issue and it isn't just the southern border either.
I know you all heard about the tunnel that discovered going under the Canadian border right? But I guess it don't matter since their skin isn't brown? Not trying to make it a racial issue but it seems it is always the "sourthern" border that get the most attention yet people come in illegally from the north, west and east too.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I guess if I saw Democratic politicians talking about doing anything about the borders, I'd agree with you.

But they're pussy footing around the issue as well, afraid to lose any of the Hispanic vote.

As for Canada, it's a risk, but I say the southern border needs to be secured first. The Canadians are doing a lot more to help with our security than Mexico is doing, that's for sure.

The southern border gets the most attention because that's where the flood of illegals is coming from. That's where the MS-13 supplies/fresh recruits are coming from. That's also where material found in Afghanistan says that AQ was planning to utilize moving in personnel and equipment/supplies.

Hence, the focus on the southern border, and appropriately so. It has nothing to do with skin color, and everything to do with the reality of what's going on down on the Rio Grande and westward.

[JoeChalupa]

I guess if I saw Democratic politicians talking about doing anything about the borders, I'd agree with you.

But they're pussy footing around the issue as well, afraid to lose any of the Hispanic vote.

As for Canada, it's a risk, but I say the southern border needs to be secured first. The Canadians are doing a lot more to help with our security than Mexico is doing, that's for sure.

The southern border gets the most attention because that's where the flood of illegals is coming from. That's where the MS-13 supplies/fresh recruits are coming from. That's also where material found in Afghanistan says that AQ was planning to utilize moving in personnel and equipment/supplies.

Hence, the focus on the southern border, and appropriately so. It has nothing to do with skin color, and everything to do with the reality of what's going on down on the Rio Grande and westward.

Good points but again most terrorists, from I've seen, enter countries legally or already in the country, thus the London bombers.

The flood of illegals yes is coming through our southern borders but plenty come through the Canadian border as well and many do so with illegal documents. Both republicans and democrats don't want to lose votes, it goes both ways all the way. CAFTA was just passesd as well.

So it is not only the "liberals" who are not doing all they can to close the borders and as Commander In Chief it needs to begin from the top.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You can't apply what happened in London to our border problem. Europe has an open border policy akin to what you and I face if we wanted to drive from Texas to Louisiana - nothing more than a sign on the side of the road that says 'Welcome to _________".

Until I see data that says anything near the number of illegals are crossing in from Canada that come from Mexico, your "look northward" tyrade is falling on deaf ears here.

I'm not trying to defend Bush on this, it's my biggest disappointment in him as president. Similarly, I'm equally disappointed in the Republican party, because they've got the hispanic vote locked in now and don't want to mess it up.

On the same foot though, the Democrats are willing to go along for the ride on this. Best I can tell we're fucked all the way around, until the unfortunate day a WMD wipes out a city here in the US. Then the borders will be locked town tighter than Bruce Bowen on the Matrix.

But by then all the pieces will already be across the border in the U.S., and it will be too late.

[JoeChalupa]

You can't apply what happened in London to our border problem. Europe has an open border policy akin to what you and I face if we wanted to drive from Texas to Louisiana - nothing more than a sign on the side of the road that says 'Welcome to _________".

Until I see data that says anything near the number of illegals are crossing in from Canada that come from Mexico, your "look northward" tyrade is falling on deaf ears here.

I'm not trying to defend Bush on this, it's my biggest disappointment in him as president. Similarly, I'm equally disappointed in the Republican party, because they've got the hispanic vote locked in now and don't want to mess it up.

On the same foot though, the Democrats are willing to go along for the ride on this. Best I can tell we're fucked all the way around, until the unfortunate day a WMD wipes out a city here in the US. Then the borders will be locked town tighter than Bruce Bowen on the Matrix.

But by then all the pieces will already be across the border in the U.S., and it will be too late.

I'm accustomed to "deaf ears" and I'm not saying that more illegals are entering through our northern border but they are coming in.

I wouldn't say the republican party has the hispanic vote "locked in" either, not by a long shot but you are right, they sure don't want to lose any ground. And I thought the WMD issue was the reason for the Iraq war so that shouldn't be an issue now.

But I do agree with you that the democratic party isn't doing enough. I myself am I JFK democrat and want to bring the party back to where it was before "liberal" became a dirty word.

I with you on tightening our borders.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't mean they've got all the hispanic vote, just enough to ensure they win the WH and Congress as long as they keep that base happy.

[JoeChalupa]

I don't mean they've got all the hispanic vote, just enough to ensure they win the WH and Congress as long as they keep that base happy.

I concur. Keeping the base happy will be the key.
Some conservatives are not too happy about that though.

Thanks for keeping it real.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah I'm one of them. Nothing against hispanics, but I resent the hell out of sacrificing the security of our country in order to get a foothold with a demographic base.

[JoeChalupa]

Yeah I'm one of them. Nothing against hispanics, but I resent the hell out of sacrificing the security of our country in order to get a foothold with a demographic base.

Ouch. Trying to please everyone is a tough task indeed. I support tightening the borders but I also support work visas for those who want to work so that we can collect some tax money and yes the Mexican government needs to do much, much more to help.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I've got no problem with the work visas idea, other than we're not already implementing it :)

But we need to lock down the border. If it takes a 20 ft. high electrified concrete fence, so be it. LULAC can kiss my ass on that one.

[Nbadan]

I don't mean they've got all the hispanic vote, just enough to ensure they win the WH and Congress as long as they keep that base happy.

Do you mean happy or pacified? Everytime a hispanic starts making a name for himself the right-wing attack machine goes into high gear against him. It happened with Henry B.Gonzales and then with Cisneros. The thing is is that the Republicans know that if they can manage to split the Hispanic vote - they can effectively silence hispanics politically and control the South with white Christian votes, and so many hispanics have bought into idealistic Conservatism, despite their own economic best interests.

[Nbadan]

Yeah I'm one of them. Nothing against hispanics, but I resent the hell out of sacrificing the security of our country in order to get a foothold with a demographic base.

That's funny, every comprehensive survey and poll I've ever seen of hispanics already legally in the U.S. has them favoring tougher border entry standards. So if the WH isn't kissing up to 'the hispanic vote', who is W really kissing up too? (Hint - They hunt them in England)

[ChumpDumper]

Demand for off-the-books nannies remains high for whitey.

[Vashner]

We just need heat seeking gatling guns... with warning signs in English and Spanish..

If something warm blooded moves it's turned into hamburger with the radar gun.

[SWC Bonfire]

Demand for off-the-books nannies remains high for whitey.

Probably closer to the truth than many other possible reasons.

[SWC Bonfire]

Do you mean happy or pacified? Everytime a hispanic starts making a name for himself the right-wing attack machine goes into high gear against him. It happened with Henry B.Gonzales and then with Cisneros. The thing is is that the Republicans know that if they can manage to split the Hispanic vote - they can effectively silence hispanics politically and control the South with white Christian votes, and so many hispanics have bought into idealistic Conservatism, despite their own economic best interests.

Conservatism certainly wasn't in the best interests of Attorney Gen. Alberto Gonzales, Commerce Sec. Carlos Gutierrez, Senator Mel Martinez and Congressman Henry Bonilla, was it?

Assuming that Democrat-backed government programs are in the best economic interests of all hispanics (a vague description as it is) is a blatently stupid and racist statement. I would expect better than a HenryB-ism from Nbadan talking about racism.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

the right-wing attack machine goes into high gear against him. It happened with Henry B.Gonzales and then with Cisneros.

What he hell? Both those guys fucked themselves by being so corrupt, especially Cisneros.

Christ, the guy fucked over the city of SA with the whole dome roof being too low for baseball after he stood at the podium and said the Alamodome would be baseball and football ready. And that's just a local example, let alone the BS he pulled when he got to DC.

But if you think that's the mark of a great leader or someone the "right wing" somehow slandered, it says a lot more about your stupidity than your usual rants.

[Nbadan]

Conservatism certainly wasn't in the best interests of Attorney Gen. Alberto Gonzales, Commerce Sec. Carlos Gutierrez, Senator Mel Martinez and Congressman Henry Bonilla, was it?

Assuming that Democrat-backed government programs are in the best economic interests of all hispanics (a vague description as it is) is a blatently stupid and racist statement. I would expect better than a HenryB-ism from Nbadan talking about racism.

What's really amusing is that whenever anyone says that Republicans have not done enough for hispanics, they always start naming their hispanic friends as if this is some kind of warm consolation. Cabinet members in this administration are 'yes men'. Forget the studies, forget the facts, throw away the research, it doesn't matter because the decisions are made from the top-down regardless.

I think it is safe to assume that economically disadvantaged hispanics are more likely to take advantage of government assistance programs. So whenever a hispanic votes for a candidate who is likely to vote to regulate, eliminate, or constrain these programs, he is voting against his own economic best-interest. No racism intended.

[SWC Bonfire]

I think it is safe to assume that economically disadvantaged hispanics are more likely to take advantage of government assistance programs. So whenever a hispanic votes for a candidate who is likely to vote to regulate, eliminate, or constrain these programs, he is voting against his own economic best-interest. No racism intended.

So all hispanics are welfare recipients?

[Nbadan]

So all hispanics are welfare recipients?

Of course not, but given the propensity of hispanic to have larger size families and less earning power throughout their lifetimes, I don't think its a stretch to say that more hispanics would qualify for government assistance if they chose to apply.

Meanwhile, a Republican rep and some of his fellow co-horts have introduced a bill to bring malitias like the Minutemen under the authority of state executives...


Legislation Authorizing Civilian Border Patrols Introduced
Aug 2 - As Congress readied to head home for the summer recess, a Texas Republican introduced a bill that would put the controversial Minuteman group and other civilian-led efforts to enforce immigration laws officially under the aegis of state executives.

Last Thursday, Representative John Culberson and 47 other legislators introduced the Border Protection Patrol Act, H.R.3622. The measure would give governors of states bordering Canada or Mexico the power to officially deputize groups of citizens to hunt down people immigrating illegally.

Collectively, the groups would form the Border Protection Corps, and would be empowered to "use any means and any force authorized by State law to prevent individuals from unlawfully entering the United States," according to the language of the bill. Each state’s Corps would be under control of the governor, who, under the proposed legislation, would be "authorized to call United States citizens into service in the militia."

Two weeks ago, Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Robert C. Bonner floated the idea of designating anti-immigrant vigilante groups an "auxiliary" arm of the Border Patrol, an idea immediately denied by the Department of Homeland Security.
(snip/...)

Standard News (http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_briefs)

Folks, we are all in big trouble if we start allowing vigilanties to hassle every brown-skinned person on the border. Hundreds of people legally already U.S. citizens are 'accidently' deported annually to Mexico under provisions in the Patriot Act.

[SWC Bonfire]

I believe the 2nd amendment explicitly gives states the right to do that.

[Nbadan]

I believe the 2nd amendment explicitly gives states the right to do that.

Your exactly right (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?terms=militia&url=/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_sec_10_00000311----000-.html), which makes this development even more troubling. Since the Real Border Patrol already refused "auxiliary groups" They would NOT cooperate with these unorganized state-based groups. At least the Minutemen were officially just "watching" the border - these guys would be authorized to "use any means and any force." What a stupid idea--there would be legal ojections from all sides. Sounds like Culberson is grandstanding for the constituents. He appeared on CNN last night to discuss his brilliant idea.

[DarkReign]

I thank Texas for GWB. Thanks guys!

What a buffoon. Anyway, back OT.

Good. Let militia groups be "deputized" and control our borders. I am not from TX, but what could it possibly hurt?

What, people are worried about racism?

Been to an airport lately? Their idea of avoiding "racial profiling" is to take a white person along with the Arab.

Its hypocritical. The moment we as a country stop trying to politically correct and realise that "Yes, Mexicans comprise a majority of the illegal immigrant population" and do something about it!

S what if its Mexicans. I dont care if its Canadians. If its them, its them. Deal with it or the people will band together and do it themselves. About friggin time.

[SWC Bonfire]

They would NOT cooperate with these unorganized state-based groups.

Well, if they are organized under the control of the state, how are they "unorganized"?

The Border Patrol would be forced to work with them. Of course they are against it. They are getting paid for something that others might be willing to volunteer their time for.

[Nbadan]

Well, if they are organized under the control of the state, how are they "unorganized"?

Where are the controls and who would be supervising these vigilanties? The State? Gimme a break.

[Spam]

I thank Texas for GWB. Thanks guys!

What a buffoon. Anyway, back OT.

Good. Let militia groups be "deputized" and control our borders. I am not from TX, but what could it possibly hurt?

What, people are worried about racism?

Been to an airport lately? Their idea of avoiding "racial profiling" is to take a white person along with the Arab.

Its hypocritical. The moment we as a country stop trying to politically correct and realise that "Yes, Mexicans comprise a majority of the illegal immigrant population" and do something about it!

S what if its Mexicans. I dont care if its Canadians. If its them, its them. Deal with it or the people will band together and do it themselves. About friggin time.

Sounds like something the KKK would say.

[DarkReign]

Sounds like something the KKK would say.

I beg to differ.

Is it a fact that Mexicans comprise the majority of illegal immigrants in this country?

If so, which border should be patrolled more vigorously?

Simple Simon, my man. Like I said, if Canadians are on the list, patrol that border too. But they arent, soooooo...

Oh yeah, I am from Michigan. We havent even heard the acronym "KKK" since the 60s....sorry.

[GoldToe]

http://sayanythingblog.com/images/JessicaAndWillie01.jpg

I'll protect the borders with Jessica.....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Folks, we are all in big trouble if we start allowing vigilanties to hassle every brown-skinned person on the border

Vigilantes? Good to see you've got your rhetoric in full effect. Of course, it'll be okay for them to hastle white people, right Dan? :lol

I thought you were all about the Constitution Dan? Guess not...


Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[mookie2001]

hes your leader aggie
bush hasnt done shit bc he wants to keep the min wage down and increase the gap between the rich and the poor

what if a bunch of chodes banded together to try to stop murders, rapes, insider trading
would be dangerous and stupid huh?
i am hispanic and i say shut the borders down
but you cant have a bunch of chodes running around drunk with power

[JoeChalupa]

^^That is a correct statement. And the KKK has been running around Hamilton, Ohio too. I grew up in Defiance, Ohio and we never had any racial problems.

[Nbadan]

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/sos_youth_brigade_in_laguna_beach.jpg

Note the multiple participants defiantly enagaging in the Nazi salute and the clearly visible Confederate flag that, when flown in this context in California, is clearly a racist symbol. Note the men with shaved heads (skinheads). Although it is not clearly exposed in this photograph (it is in others below) the Nazi in the blue jacket is holding a Nazi flag with a swastika. The skinhead in the tanktop is also holding a Nazi flag (Hitler Youth reproduction).

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/img_0190.jpg

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/storm.jpg

The guy in the camo shirt holding half the banner is an acknowledged Minuteman organizer. His friends in the image (note that he is willingly holding up a banner with one of them for the camera) are Neo Nazis.

Minutemen organizers have been photographed with people with open Neo Nazi affiliations, have solicited support from racist organizations who now regularly publicize Minuteman events so their membership can show up. Although the Minutemen routinely deny being racist or cooperating with racists since their inception they have willingly stood alongside Neo Nazis and they are not doing anything to meaningfully seperate their organization and actions from the Neo Nazi movement except to make very weak claims they're not in bed together. The Minutemen wouldn't be able to help it if Neo Nazi skinheads showed up to their protests unannounced and uninvited but they could then more strongly condemn Neo Nazis, elaborate on how their attitude toward immigration differs from the Neo Nazis, and refuse to stand alongside the Nazis at the protests. They have repeatedly failed to do so.

[Nbadan]

Here is what one guy wrote on a linked site:


What to do with White liberals? Same thing the Nazis did with the liberals (commies) in their country. Crush them. When the time comes not everyone will be converted, they never are. You have to eliminate your enemies before you take power.

Storm Front (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=2064471&postcount=16)