Lakers record with/without Kobe Gravano..

[HarlemHeat37]

Update this thread throughout the season, tbh..

Record without him: 10-9(6-2 in their last 8 games, on fire)..including Ws against the Clippers, Hawks, Rockets and Warriors..

With him: 2-4, no notable Ws yet..

Should be an interesting season, tbh..

[HarlemHeat37]

Lakers were -13 with Vino on the floor tonight, 2nd worst on the team, tbh..

[spurraider21]

9 shot attempts, 9 points, 8 turnovers. EFFICIENCY

[Splits]

Suns Tuesday (L) then 4 in 5 nights on the road. They're staring at 11-14. Someone bump the .500 thread.

[irishock]

At least Wizards MJ was still putting up 20 5 and 5...

Kobe looks more like

http://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Derek-Jeter-Fat-3.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

^ Tbh, he played more like 2004 Pippen tonight....

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/bulls/photos/pippen1_100715.jpg

[jeebus]

His vertical makes Zbo look like Spud Webb imo

[Rogue]

TBH no teammate dares to play any more defense on him than he himself does during practices that's why he felt so good and got the courage to return. Dude should stay out of the game just to save his legacy, get the whole 50m check at the end of 15-16 season then retire tbh

[DAF86]

0-2 with OKC coming.

[lefty]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_cthVyGZv9E/UGCiB2uijII/AAAAAAAANtk/YcD992NHktY/s320/lakers-dwight-howard-kobe-bryant-elevator-gangnam-style-dance-funny-photos-2012.jpg

[DAF86]

And make no mistake, despite Kobe having a good game numbers wise tonight. This 0-2 record is because of Kobe. He stalls the offense, players aren't as comfortable with him around.

It was very funny to see him posting up every possesion when his teammates where trying to run something else or chasing Blake around to set a screen so he could get the ball. :lol

[DAF86]

To not look like a complete hater, is still pretty impressive that Kobe managed to get 20 in his second game back.

[AchillesHeel]

Lakers should be 12-9 right now, now they're looking at 10-11 and are most likely going to finish 12th in the West, as ESPN predicted.

[lefty]

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[ElNono]

he got his points... which in the big scheme of things, it's what matters to him... those records are not going to chase themselves...

[AchillesHeel]

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There's a reason one particular player is being targeted by the Suns every time down.

Hint: His vertical is roughly the height of a folded newspaper.
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Kobe needs to stop using Pau as his crutch. Stop passing to Pau....he'll fumble it away. Pass to the other guys. When they get used to passing/playing together it will be really good!
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boltlakers88 wrote:




bryants2hot2handle wrote:


20 points for Kobe in his 2nd game back. He'll be ready come playoff time.




kobe and pau stat pad for those extra points at the end when the game was basically over already.




Stat pad? Did you watch the first half were Kobe had 10 and Pau had 9?

Well I'm going to defend kobe moreover Pau because the Mamba wasn't the problem of why we lost tonight

[DMC]

And make no mistake, despite Kobe having a good game numbers wise tonight. This 0-2 record is because of Kobe. He stalls the offense, players aren't as comfortable with him around.

It was very funny to see him posting up every possesion when his teammates where trying to run something else or chasing Blake around to set a screen so he could get the ball. :lol

So basically it's back to normal.

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Kobe needs to stop using Pau as his crutch. Stop passing to Pau....he'll fumble it away. Pass to the other guys. When they get used to passing/playing together it will be really good!
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When did Kobe start passing ?

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There's a reason one particular player is being targeted by the Suns every time down.

Hint: His vertical is roughly the height of a folded newspaper.
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LOL Jeffs

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Lakers should be 12-9 right now, now they're looking at 10-11 and are most likely going to finish 12th in the West, as ESPN predicted.

12th for the Lakers, 25th for Kobe.

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Kobe needs to stop using Pau as his crutch. Stop passing to Pau....he'll fumble it away. Pass to the other guys. When they get used to passing/playing together it will be really good!
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[racm]

LAL got worse because Blake Mamba could no longer run MDA's offense well because there's a ballhog (hint, Mitch: Don't go after Melo if you want to live a healthy life) and because Kirby has lost so much of his explosiveness that the young guns whose ability to defend the fastbreak have been cancelled out.

[Baseline]

K. Bryant - the 25th ranked player in the city of Los Angeles.

[HI-FI]

also seems team morale is worse, you can tell in the huddles that something has changed. not sure what exactly. it's like having a cancer biopsied or put in remission, and you feel better, but now it's back and metastasizing everything in its path. KbFan LkrFan, any idea what is going on with the team?

[Rogue]

Lakers record with Kobe of the 13-14 season has now increased to 0-2 imho, and will soon be 0-3 after the OKC game

[HarlemHeat37]

Hopefully Vino Gravano leads the Lakers to a statement win tomorrow @ OKC, tbh, it would help shut some of us up..

[Thebesteva]

Good move on that contract LA

[Reck]

Underrated thread tbh..

This thread is already delivering on its intended purpose. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

0-3 :lmao

Kirbystan will try to spin it as "tanking" now, but we all know they were hoping for a 3-0 record so they could talk shit, tbh :lol

[Thebesteva]

0-3 :lmao

Kirbystan will try to spin it as "tanking" now, but we all know they were hoping for a 3-0 record so they could talk shit, tbh :lol

INB4 Kobe calls out Pau and the coaching staff

[ElNono]

Hopefully Vino Gravano leads the Lakers to a statement win tomorrow @ OKC, tbh, it would help shut some of us up..

undoing all the good stuff Capt Pau put together, including a winning record...

[DMC]

Is this about the same Koko Bryant I am thinking of, the AS Game vote leader? That one?

[HarlemHeat37]

0-3..

Gotta feel for D'Antoni, Blake, Swaggy, Xavier Henry and the rest of the those niggas that worked hard for a record above .500, tbh..

[AchillesHeel]

Is this about the same Koko Bryant I am thinking of, the AS Game vote leader? That one?

He's not even 1st in the West right now :lmao, Beta got the most votes

[da_suns_fan]

Looking at the Lakers schedule, its obvious why Kobe chose the Toronto game to come back despite not being ready.

Kobe wanted a lot of attention surrounding his comeback (see ridiculous facebook video), so coming back during a road game was out of the question. The Lakers had a road-heavy schedule in December with home games against Toronto, Phoenix, Minnesota and then the Heat on Xmas. The Raptors were the weakest opponent an thus the obvious choice.

Signing that contract put a lot of pressure to come back. 48 million for a guy who hasnt played all season sure did look bad but it was obviously a huge mistake to rush back when he can barely even jump.

[Thread]

Looking at the Lakers schedule, its obvious why Kobe chose the Toronto game to come back despite not being ready.

Kobe wanted a lot of attention surrounding his comeback (see ridiculous facebook video), so coming back during a road game was out of the question. The Lakers had a road-heavy schedule in December with home games against Toronto, Phoenix, Minnesota and then the Heat on Xmas. The Raptors were the weakest opponent an thus the obvious choice.

Signing that contract put a lot of pressure to come back. 48 million for a guy who hasnt played all season sure did look bad but it was obviously a huge mistake to rush back when he can barely even jump.

Sitting won't improve his injury, his lot. He has to play thru it. He didn't come back because of the 48. He came back because he wanted to--to prove the doubters wrong. To prove the haters wrong. To spite mine enemies. That's all he can do.

[Reck]

Kobe 6 TOs through 2 qts. :lol

[Thebesteva]

Kobe 6 TOs through 2 qts. :lol

This next 2 years may be awkward and destroy his legacy with this move

[Reck]

This next 2 years may be awkward and destroy his legacy with this move

7 now. He's really racking them up.

He's responsible for half the Lakers Turnovers. lol

[Thebesteva]

7 now. He's really racking them up.

He's responsible for half the Lakers Turnovers. lol

BTW I was referring to the contract has destroying his legacy. No way this guy goes back to form

[Reck]

BTW I was referring to the contract has destroying his legacy. No way this guy goes back to form

I know.

[ambchang]

BTW I was referring to the contract has destroying his legacy. No way this guy goes back to form

The contract enhances his legacy of being a selfish me-first player who doesn't really care about winning but says he does to sell himself as a warrior to get more cash in the bandwaggonest city in USA. IMHO.

[Thread]

BTW I was referring to the contract has destroying his legacy. No way this guy goes back to form

& that's the fuel that powers an enabled sociopath like Kobe. Most sociopaths are powerless unless they take up the gun. He ran Daddy off, Daddy rings and moons Kobe. What does Kobe do? He goes into his room at home away from the Brillo head twins and wide load and plots his vengeance, maybe kicks the dog. Hunts Daddy down and keeps quiet thru the tie and the approaching zenith, then rings and springs the trap he'd set with a Media member to query him on cue...makes Daddy eat the whole shit sandwich, not on FaceBook, Youtube, Myspace, or, Twitter. Uh, uh. On live television.

Keeps quiet all those years about Duncan and the Spurs then when they win&lose their 5th he confesses to his abiding hatred. He's beautiful. So American.

His 5th delivered him. And he knew it.

[Thebesteva]

& that's the fuel that powers an enabled sociopath like Kobe. Most sociopaths are powerless unless they take up the gun. He ran Daddy off, Daddy rings and moons Kobe. What does Kobe do? He goes into his room at home away from the Brillo head twins and wide load and plots his vengeance, maybe kicks the dog. Hunts Daddy down and keeps quiet thru the tie and the approaching zenith, then rings and springs the trap he'd set with a Media member to query him on cue...makes Daddy eat the whole shit sandwich, not on FaceBook, Youtube, Myspace, or, Twitter. Uh, uh. On live television.

Keeps quiet all those years about Duncan and the Spurs then when they win&lose their 5th he confesses to his abiding hatred. He's beautiful. So American.

His 5th delivered him. And he knew it.

You need to write a book on Kobe's life. It would be quite the epic read.

[Thread]

You need to write a book on Kobe's life. It would be quite the epic read.

Nobody would publish a sociopath writer writing about a sociopath.

tee, hee.

[Reck]

Nobody would publish a sociopath writer writing about a sociopath.

tee, hee.

Do it for your lovely pets.

[HarlemHeat37]

Nice W for the Lakers tonight, 1 possession W over a struggling Bobcats team, tbh..

[ElNono]

Looking at the Lakers schedule, its obvious why Kobe chose the Toronto game to come back despite not being ready.

What's "ready"? He looks as done as last season, tbh...

[HarlemHeat37]

1-4 now with Gravano, tbh..

Their offense looks hideous when he's on the floor, tbh..all they do is run post-up plays for Kobe, which slows the offense down to a crawl and makes them very easy to defend..

Lakers bench is much more dynamic, sadly:lol..

At this point, they'll only be able to defeat offensively inept teams like Charlotte, Milwaukee, Chicago, Philly, etc, tbh..

[ElNono]

only 4 turnovers.... progress :lol

[Reck]

Whooped by the Hawks

:lol Koolaid_Man
:lol Arnold Toht
:lol Thread

[Thebesteva]

Kobe begging to go back to form

[Floyd Pacquiao]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbtrcdxCUAE4zEg.jpg

:lol

[spurraider21]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbtrcdxCUAE4zEg.jpg

:lol
:lmao

gg

[Deuce Bigalow]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbtrcdxCUAE4zEg.jpg

:lol
You're not going to beat anyone giving up 48.1% shooting. That is somehow Kobe's fault?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

You're not going to beat anyone giving up 48.1% shooting. That is somehow Kobe's fault?
:lol yes. kobe's lazy defense and constant sagging/playing the passing lanes hurts his team more than he helps. sort of like gary neal for the spurs last year.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lakers defense

Before Kobe: 102.8 opp ppg, 44.6%fg
With Kobe: 108.2 opp ppg, 48.1%fg

[ambchang]

I feel for Kobe though. He used to turn dynasties to another championship contender.

Now he's turning marginal playoff teams to bottom-dwellers.

The net effect is the same, though.

[Deuce Bigalow]

:lol yes. kobe's lazy defense and constant sagging/playing the passing lanes hurts his team more than he helps. sort of like gary neal for the spurs last year.
I watched every minute Kobe's been on the court and his defense is not great, but he has not allowed his man to have big nights on him. If you think he has, tell me their stats where he got owned? Meanwhile, a player literally has his career high on Pau (Amir Johnson 42 points on 14-17 FG), and one of the Morris brother shot 10-13 against the Lakers.

[The Reckoning]

kobe cant put a hand in anyones face so obv their percentage will be better

[ShowtimeFan]

The Lakers were by no means good without Kobe, but so far they're downright ugly in the games he's played. Jordan Hill and Nick Young had brilliant games last night and Pau Gasol had a great first half and they still managed to get completely blown out. Kobe, Meeks, Williams, Kelly, Wes, and 2nd-half Pau were all terrible.

[Killakobe81]

I feel for Kobe though. He used to turn dynasties to another championship contender.

Now he's turning marginal playoff teams to bottom-dwellers.

The net effect is the same, though.

gosh, your dense ... or try to act like you are to troll ....
But I support the "tank" so i am good with this ...

[Killakobe81]

The Lakers were by no means good without Kobe, but so far they're downright ugly in the games he's played. Jordan Hill and Nick Young had brilliant games last night and Pau Gasol had a great first half and they still managed to get completely blown out. Kobe, Meeks, Williams, Kelly, Wes, and 2nd-half Pau were all terrible.

THis.
But i dont support a playoff run ...so thanks to the guys you mentioned ...

The Lakers are like 3rd or 4th from the bottom in the West. at this rate we will be in the lottery and that is what is best for the team in the long run ... pride be damned!

[Trainwreck2100]

gosh, your dense ... or try to act like you are to troll ....
But I support the "tank" so i am good with this ...

Lakers have a draft pick this year?

[baseline bum]

Lakers have a draft pick this year?

Yes. They traded their 2015 and 2017 picks.

[spurraider21]

Deuce Bigalow with the pointing out the Lakers defense got shitty with Kobe's insertion goods :tu

[DPG21920]

THis.
But i dont support a playoff run ...so thanks to the guys you mentioned ...

The Lakers are like 3rd or 4th from the bottom in the West. at this rate we will be in the lottery and that is what is best for the team in the long run ... pride be damned!

You do support the tank, but be honest, you didn't support LA paying Kobe that crazy money and were worried Kobe would ruin the tank. You have said this before. Kobe was supposed to help win now and instead he made LA worse and got paid.

[HarlemHeat37]

Lakers should win tonight against an inept Grizzlies offense..going forward, they'll only be able to defeat poor offensive teams IMO, as I said a few days ago..

Fortunately, 5 of their next 9 are against horrible offensive teams..they should win those 5, as they'll probably get blown out in all 4 other games in between:lol..

[scanry]

Lakers should win tonight against an inept Grizzlies offense..going forward, they'll only be able to defeat poor offensive teams IMO, as I said a few days ago..

Fortunately, 5 of their next 9 are against horrible offensive teams..they should win those 5, as they'll probably get blown out in all 4 other games in between:lol..

I see them going 2-7.

[Rogue]

Kobe's doing a good tanking job for the Lakers imho. They ain't gonna make the playoffs this season anyway so maybe they can set their hope on the future. Their record may not be too bad compared to most eastern teams but they'll still have a legit chance to land a top10 pick for next year's draft knowing that playoffs teams are ineligible for draft lottery despite regular season records.

But wait... do the Lakers still have their 14' draft pick, I mean the first round one?

[TDMVPDPOY]

is it true the clown remove the tendons in his penis and place it in his achilles?

[Thebesteva]

is it true the clown remove the tendons in his penis and place it in his achilles?

Thats some Marilyn Manson type stuff

:lmao

[AchillesHeel]

2-4

https://i.imgur.com/6ADLV4r.gif

[ambchang]

2-4

https://i.imgur.com/6ADLV4r.gif

http://i.imgur.com/EL6kUeb.gif

[Killakobe81]

You do support the tank, but be honest, you didn't support LA paying Kobe that crazy money and were worried Kobe would ruin the tank. You have said this before. Kobe was supposed to help win now and instead he made LA worse and got paid.

Meh. They are what 2-4 since his return? Even if he came back and you take away both PG's they still were gonna lose.
You cats act like Kobe coming back is the only factor. He did not win last night's game by himself or lose vs. by himself vs. aTL...even as shitty as he played.
Again it's always a "team accomplishment" when convenient around here ...

The Lakers are not as bad as Harlem states, but they do suck.
Not many teams except Miami and a few others not even the Spurs could expect to go better than 2-3, 2-4 while losing all 3 PG's on the roster ...
And yes, Kobe is screwing up my tank job if he stayed away until XMAS with all of these injuries Lakers may lose all 6 games ...

[ambchang]

Meh. They are what 2-4 since his return? Even if he came back and you take away both PG's they still were gonna lose.
You cats act like Kobe coming back is the only factor. He did not win last night's game by himself or lose vs. by himself vs. aTL...even as shitty as he played.
Again it's always a "team accomplishment" when convenient around here ...

The Lakers are not as bad as Harlem states, but they do suck.
Not many teams except Miami and a few others not even the Spurs could expect to go better than 2-3, 2-4 while losing all 3 PG's on the roster ...
And yes, Kobe is screwing up my tank job if he stayed away until XMAS with all of these injuries Lakers may lose all 6 games ...

So now that the Lakers are sucking, Kobe is not responsible for the wins and losses, all despite the fact that the Lakers were 10-9 w/o him and 2-4 with him.

[DAF86]

Lakers defense

Before Kobe: 102.8 opp ppg, 44.6%fg
With Kobe: 108.2 opp ppg, 48.1%fg


You're not going to beat anyone giving up 48.1% shooting. That is somehow Kobe's fault?

No, it's just a coincidence that the defense got worse when Kobe returned.

[DPG21920]

:lol Lakers were winning with Blake/Farmar but no Kobe. Bring back Kobe, but lose Blake/Farmar and they can't win. Very interesting.

[spurraider21]

:lol Lakers were winning with Blake/Farmar but no Kobe. Bring back Kobe, but lose Blake/Farmar and they can't win. Very interesting.
so if the Lakers trade Kobe for 2 mediocre bench point guards the Lakers will improve? :rollin

[ElNono]

11-9 without Vino, 2-4 with him... Numbers speak for themselves, tbh

[Reck]

Meh. They are what 2-4 since his return? Even if he came back and you take away both PG's they still were gonna lose.
You cats act like Kobe coming back is the only factor. He did not win last night's game by himself or lose vs. by himself vs. aTL...even as shitty as he played.
Again it's always a "team accomplishment" when convenient around here ...

The Lakers are not as bad as Harlem states, but they do suck.
Not many teams except Miami and a few others not even the Spurs could expect to go better than 2-3, 2-4 while losing all 3 PG's on the roster ...
And yes, Kobe is screwing up my tank job if he stayed away until XMAS with all of these injuries Lakers may lose all 6 games ...

LOL

[AchillesHeel]

2-4

[Rogue]

Meh. They are what 2-4 since his return? Even if he came back and you take away both PG's they still were gonna lose.

:lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

Not only 11-9, but also 7-2 in their last 9 without him, tbh:lol..

[LakerHater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bb_N4NiCMAAOVsw.jpg

[ElNono]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bb_N4NiCMAAOVsw.jpg

:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Good to see Pau smiling again, tbh, first time I've seen him smile since 2010..