Who else has been a total flop besides Ayres?

[jkid12456]

Of all time in spurs history, who has been a total flop like jeff ayres?

[Mikeanaro]

Richard Jefferson, I was watching 2010 playoffs the other day, dude was a worm, of course were other guys but Dickie was the one I most remember because stole good money from the front office.
Ayres could play for beer in a park.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ayres sucks and he has been one of the worst players in Spurs' history thus far, but he wouldn't even be close to the top 5 Spurs busts, tbh:lol..

[Holden_Caulfield]

jackie butler?

[jon123spurs]

Nando.....

[timtonymanu]

Thankfully he doesn't have a big role on this team. And the Spurs have enough depth to glue him to the bench.

This isn't 2008-2010 during the Udoka, Bogans, Mason, Mahinmi years. :lol

[moisaenz]

nick van exel..

[mute]

Thankfully he doesn't have a big role on this team. And the Spurs have enough depth to glue him to the bench.

This isn't 2008-2010 during the Udoka, Bogans, Mason, Mahinmi years. :lol

we still had a (younger big 3) duncan, manu, and parker

[jeebus]

Ron Mercer was pretty useless.

[spurs1990]

Why the hell did the Spurs sign him - another cap-saving move or did they literally whiff on his potential.

Well at least they batted .500 with their other FA signee.

[Libri]

Damon Stoudamire

[Libri]

Alfredrick Hughes

[KaiRMD1]

Drew Gooden

[RD2191]

Carlos Boozer

[DAF86]

Paul George.

[TheGoldStandard]

I have no idea what the front office was thinking with Ayres, wasn't like he was going to get minutes and given that he was a deep bench guy who didn't get a look with Indiana when they had a chance to cut ties it really doesn't make sense why we picked him up. He's not an interior presence and he doesn't stretch the floor by any means.

[ElNono]

Mercer, Van Exel...

[RD2191]

Paul George.
:lol

[wildbill2u]

Man that question covers a lot of flops over the years. Start with draft picks Alfrederick Hughes and Dwayne Snitzius (sp) and then there was that guy from Oregon???

[SpurPadre]

Jack Haley

[baseline bum]

1. Richard Jefferson
2. Alfrederick Hughes
3. Vinny Del Negro
4. Steve Smith
5. Dale Ellis

[313]

Michael Jordan

[Sean Cagney]

Butler was pretty bad, RJ is up at the top! Mason was not very good after the first year and flamed out in the playoffs. Ayres is on his way to the list but he was not a coveted FA and he is not making too much (Still makes more than he should though).

[Sean Cagney]

1. Richard Jefferson
2. Alfrederick Hughes
3. Vinny Del Negro
4. Steve Smith
5. Dale Ellis
Dale Ellis had some decent years in SA, would not put him near top 5.
He shot the ball REALLY WELL here. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellisda01.html

[exstatic]

Negele Knight
Sweet Pea
Zarko Paspalj
James White
Pops Mensah Bonsu
Dion Glover
Cherokee Parks
Jack Haley

[Sean Cagney]

Negele Knight
Sweet Pea
Zarko Paspalj
James White
Pops Mensah Bonsu
Dion Glover
Cherokee Parks
Jack Haley

Some of those guys VERY cheap projects and nobody outside of some fans had expectations for them. Infact that would be most on that list.

[bigfan]

Alfredrick Hughes

Damn straight. The shittiest pick of all time.

[SpurPadre]

Beno Udrih, Cadillac Anderson (his second stint), J.R. Reid, and pretty much anyone else surrounding The Admiral in his prime outside of Sean Eliot. And of course that red-headed piece of monkey SHIT and Jefferson.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Drew Gooden

I had much distaste for Gooden.

[NASpurs]

Charles Smith (not spider), JR Reid, Samaki Walker, Ron Mercer, Mr. Statue of Liberty Antonio Daniels to a less extent (overall 4th pick and then got replaced by a rookie Frenchman which was funny at the time) and Jaren Jackson after he got paid because of that one playoff run.

[exstatic]

Some of those guys VERY cheap projects and nobody outside of some fans had expectations for them. Infact that would be most on that list.

Ayres makes 1/3 of the average NBA salary. Probably comparable to what those guys made.

[DJR210]

The Australian and Chinese "Jordan"(s), Andrew Gaze and Ming Bateer, respectively.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Ayres sucks and he has been one of the worst players in Spurs' history thus far, but he wouldn't even be close to the top 5 Spurs busts, tbh:lol..

Are you talking about busts relative to expectations?

On an absolute scale, Ayers is probably the worst Spur in Spur's history :lol Nando is knocking on top 5 if we're talking about absolute busts (our expectations for Nando weren't all that high to begin with so relatively speaking he's alright). But again, we're talking about scrubs making scrub salaries so it's not like we're overpaying them.

If we're assessing relative to expectations coming in, then Richard Jefferson was a huge disappointment. His value per dollar was abysmally low, even though on an absolute scale he was clearly more useful and a better player than someone like Ayers.

[Sean Cagney]

Ayres makes 1/3 of the average NBA salary. Probably comparable to what those guys made.

Some of those were on 15 day CONTRACTS I remember so no...........

[baseline bum]

Dale Ellis had some decent years in SA, would not put him near top 5.
He shot the ball REALLY WELL here. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellisda01.html

Ellis was the original Steve Smith: nice in the regular season, worthless in the playoffs.

[baseline bum]

On an absolute scale, Ayers is probably the worst Spur in Spur's history :lol

I don't think he's worse than Alfrederick Hughes.

[Sean Cagney]

Ellis was the original Steve Smith: nice in the regular season, worthless in the playoffs.

Smith was banged up when he got here with his knees etc. Ellis was very good for us in the regular season atleast. He is not one of the biggest busts in Spurs history coming here off that alone and I stand by that.

CAN I add Charles SMITH? Nobody mentioned him?

[NASpurs]

CAN I add Charles SMITH? Nobody mentioned him?

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[Sean Cagney]

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Charles Smith (not spider), JR Reid, Samaki Walker, Ron Mercer, Mr. Statue of Liberty Antonio Daniels to a less extent (overall 4th pick and then got replaced by a rookie Frenchman which was funny at the time) and Jaren Jackson after he got paid because of that one playoff run.

BANG he did it first..... GOOD SHIT! Charles SMITH!

[Stabula]

We didn't pay him a lot but surprised no one has mentioned James Anderson. Guy was an absolute beast in college and NO ONE expected Danny Green of all people to outshine him.

[spurraider21]

In the modern era? Butler, Mahinmi, Bogans, Udoka, Van Exel, Steve Smith, Damon Stoudemire (:lol wtf were they thinking), Jefferson, TJ Ford's spine, year 2 of Roger Mason, Nando

[TheyCallMePro]

Jacque Vaughn

[NickiRasgo]

OT guys, just want to ask what ever happened to Jackie Butler? Honestly when I saw the signing from the Spurs.com, I was excited and intrigued as well but whatever happened to him? Was he injured? Attitude problem? Or just really sucks (in what way)?

[KawhiLeonard]

Monty Williams

[playbonner15]

Dale Ellis. Man that guy could light it up when he was with the Sonics. Not anymore when he became a Spur. Same case with Dick:depressed

[Ice009]

Dale Ellis. Man that guy could light it up when he was with the Sonics. Not anymore when he became a Spur. Same case with Dick:depressed

I didn't realize the guy was so good with Seattle. Looks like Dallas weren't playing him and then he just went off when he went to Seattle. I assume he was lighting it up from long distance at will to average that many ppg with the Sonics? I don't think he was much of a driver, was he? I only saw him with the Spurs and I recall him being a shooter only.

[minuzzo21]

Bogans

[Hoops Czar]

In order to be a bust/flop, the player must have expectations to begin with. Spurstalk once again overrating a flat out scrub per par, tbh. He was never any good and just the fact that he was behind Mahimni on Indiana's depth chart should have clued people in to what they thought of him. This signing is the absolure epitome of a front office GM who shall remain nameless, taking advice from assistants because he didn't do his homework this offseason. The fact that the Spurs acted so quickly to sign this scrub, who surely would've been last pickings late into the offseason for most likely the league minimum, only makes the signing all the more laughable.

But it's hardly Ayres fault he's bad at basketball. No need to take your anger out on him. Pop is the one who plays him.

[iManu]

Keith Bogans.

[iManu]

In order to be a bust/flop, the player must have expectations to begin with. Spurstalk once again overrating a flat out scrub per par, tbh. He was never any good and just the fact that he was behind Mahimni on Indiana's depth chart should have clued people in to what they thought of him. This signing is the absolure epitome of a front office GM who shall remain nameless, taking advice from assistants because he didn't do his homework this offseason.


Scares me about said assistant.

[Drom John]

Ayres has played 224 minutes
For combined seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2013-14; playing for the San Antonios Spurs (Tex/Dal); requiring Minutes Played >= 224; sorted by ascending Win Shares Per 48 Minutes.
Worst:
1) -.060 Damon Stoudamire
2) -.047 Chris Whitney
3) -.038 George Karl
4) -.029 Alfredrick Hughes
5) -.025 Sleepy Floyd

24T) .027 Jeff Ayres, Billy Knight, Vernon Maxwell, Dwayne Schintzius
28T) .031 Aron Baynes, Mo Layton, Mike Smrek

64T) .070 Nando De Colo, Charles Smith, Nick Van Exel

94T) .086 Dave Greenwood, Malik Hairston, Cory Joseph, Gary Neal, Kevin Restani

[SsKSpurs21]

We didn't pay him a lot but surprised no one has mentioned James Anderson. Guy was an absolute beast in college and NO ONE expected Danny Green of all people to outshine him.

I agree. i am also surprised noone said James Anderson. He was our highest draft pick since Timmy and had alot of hype coming into the team.

[look_at_g_shred]

Cherokee Parks

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Ayres has played 224 minutes
For combined seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2013-14; playing for the San Antonios Spurs (Tex/Dal); requiring Minutes Played >= 224; sorted by ascending Win Shares Per 48 Minutes.
Worst:
1) -.060 Damon Stoudamire
2) -.047 Chris Whitney
3) -.038 George Karl
4) -.029 Alfredrick Hughes
5) -.025 Sleepy Floyd

24T) .027 Jeff Ayres, Billy Knight, Vernon Maxwell, Dwayne Schintzius
28T) .031 Aron Baynes, Mo Layton, Mike Smrek

64T) .070 Nando De Colo, Charles Smith, Nick Van Exel

94T) .086 Dave Greenwood, Malik Hairston, Cory Joseph, Gary Neal, Kevin Restani

Good list, I like it. Looks like baseline bum was right to cite Alfredrick Hughes over Ayres.

[tempest186]

"2) -.047 Chris Whitney" now there is a blast from the past. I remember the forum discussions between Ghost and MB when a certain French point guard made his way to SA.