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Kori Ellis
07-29-2005, 12:11 PM
By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider

A month into the free agent negotiation period and the field (especially at the shooting guard position) has narrowed greatly.

As of Friday, 37 free agents had agreed to terms with teams.

Ray Allen, Sonics (5 years, $80-85 million)
Michael Redd, Bucks (6 years, $85-90 million)
Larry Hughes, Cavs (5 years, $60-65 million)
Samuel Dalembert, Sixers (6 years, $64 million)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cavs (5 years, $55-60 million)
Bobby Simmons, Bucks (5 years, $47 million)
Cuttino Mobley, Clippers (5 years, $42 million)
Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Nets (6 years, $37-38 million)
Udonis Haslem, Heat (5 years, $30-32 million)
Dan Gadzuric, Bucks (6 years, $36 million)
Stromile Swift, Rockets (5 years, $28-29 million)
Antonio Daniels, Wizards (5 years, $28-29 million)
Jerome James, Knicks (5 years, $28-29 million)
Kyle Korver, Sixers (6 years, $25-27 million)
Kwame Brown, Lakers (3 years, $22-24 million)
Donyell Marshall, Cavs (4 years, $20-21 million)
Raja Bell, Suns (5 years, $20-25 million)
Willie Green, Sixers (6 years, $19-20 million)
Brian Scalabrine, Celtics (5 years, $15 million)
Sarunas Jasikevicius, Pacers (3 years, $12 million)
Keyon Dooling, Magic (3 years, $10 million)
Fabricio Oberto, Spurs (3 years, $7.5-9 million)
Jeff McInnis, Nets (2 years, $7 million)
Juan Dixon, Blazers (3 years, $8 million)
Mark Madsen, Timberwolves (5 years, salary undisclosed)
Arvydas Macijauskas, Hornets (3 years, salary undisclosed)
Robert Horry, Spurs (3 years, salary undisclosed)
Clifford Robinson, Nets (terms undisclosed)
Luke Walton, Lakers (terms undisclosed
Chris Andersen, Hornets (terms undisclosed)
Bostjan Nachbar, Hornets (terms undisclosed)
Nikoloz Tskitishvili, Timberwolves (terms undisclosed)
LaRon Profit, Traded to Lakers (3 years, $2.7-2.8 million  only the first year is guaranteed)
Eddie Basden, Bulls (partially guaranteed multi-year contract)
Lucas Tischer, Suns (1 year + team option, $1.1 million - first year is partially guaranteed)
Matt Walsh, Heat (2 years, $1.1 million - first year is partially guaranteed)
Dwayne Jones, Timberwolves (2 years, $1.1 million)


Several teams still have significant cap room to spend this summer. With a projected $49.5 million cap, the Hawks ($23.5 million), Bobcats ($18 million), Hornets ($11 million), Clippers ($10 million), and the Sonics ($10 million) are all under the cap. With the player movement moratorium is lifted (The new target is Tuesday, August 2nd), here's Insider's updated look at the free-agent class of 2005.

Top 20 2005 Free Agents
Key: R = Restricted free agent | PO = Player Option | TO = Team Option

1. Joe Johnson, G, Suns (R)
The skinny: We all expect the Hawks to tender Joe Johnson, a restricted free agent, a max five-year, roughly $70 million offer sheet. Will the Suns match? It depends on whom you talk to. A report in the Arizona Republic says Suns staffers are worried owner Robert Sarver doesn't want to spend the money. However a source inside the Suns told Insider he's committed to matching any deal for Johnson. The Suns latest trade of Jake Voskuhl for more cap room is just the latest evidence that they intend to match. Sarver might be a little tighter with the purse strings and it's true the Suns think the Hawks way overpaid for Johnson. It's also true if the Suns match the deal, their payroll will be roughly $62 million. When Amare Stoudemire agrees to his max extension this fall, that number will move into the $66 million to $68 million range in 2006-07. However, it may cost the Suns more to let him walk. While their cap problems would be lessened by not matching Johnson, the team would be without their most lethal shooter and would clearly take a step backward next season. With Steve Nash not getting any younger, that's not the plan in Phoenix.

2. Tyson Chandler, PF/C, Bulls (R)
The skinny: Chandler is coveted by a number of teams, but it's also widely believed that the Bulls will match any offer for him. He's a favorite of Chicago GM John Paxson and the Bulls know they can't afford to lose both Chandler and Eddy Curry this summer. If Paxson has to choose, Chandler is the guy. The problem for Chandler is getting a team such as Atlanta, New Orleans or Seattle to make a move for him. While those teams have shown polite interest, neither has been willing to offer the big deal it would take for Chicago to think twice. Meanwhile, Chandler continues to wait for the Bulls to make a big offer. Now that Samuel Dalembert has agreed to a six year, $64 million dollar deal, Chandler has a starting point with the Bulls. If the Bulls' offer does not rise significantly this summer, look for Chandler to sign his one-year tender offer and become an unrestricted free agent next summer.

3. Eddy Curry, C, Bulls (R)
The skinny: Curry visited the Hawks over a week ago and got a red carpet welcome. However, the Hawks didn't make an offer and are bringing Dalembert into town on Monday. Curry's still waiting for an offer from the Bulls as well. The fact that the NBA's insurance company has decided that Curry's heart in uninsurable hasn't helped matters. While Bulls GM John Paxson maintains that the team wants to re-sign Curry, the GMs Insider spoke with all believe the Bulls are posturing. The Bulls don't want him back if he's going to command a big salary and are hoping they can work out a sign-and-trade that gets them something back in return. The most likely scenario has the Hawks offering to so a sign-and-trade for Curry that would net the Bulls Al Harrington.

4. Antoine Walker, F, Celtics
The skinny: It looks like the Celtics aren't going to make a strong bid to re-sign Walker -- despite the euphoria he created in his return to Boston. He's had a number of teams interested in signing him with their mid-level exception, but Walker wants more. The Heat, Kings and Sixers all have interest, but so far none of them has put together a sign-and-trade package that Danny Ainge is willing to swallow. Walker was in Miami on Thursday, so things may be heating up there.

5. Marko Jaric, PG, Clippers (R)
The skinny: GMs love big point guards and Jaric, who stands 6-foot-7, is as big as they come. When Jaric was healthy last season, he was pretty good. He started the season averaging 12.3 ppg, 6.3 apg, 2.2 spg, while shooting 44 percent from 3. He ended the season with similar numbers. In between, injuries slowed him down to a crawl. If he can stay healthy, he could be a real steal in the free agent market. But he's going to have to work out a sign-and-trade to get out of L.A. The Nuggets, Cavs and Timberwolves have shown the most interest. Can anyone make a deal with the Clippers?

6. Vladimir Radmanovic, F, Sonics (R)
The skinny: Radmanovic is a 6-10 athletic forward who can run the floor and stroke it from 3. He was the leading contender to win the Sixth Man Award before breaking his leg and missing the last six weeks of the season; was a critical component in the Sonics' unexpected run this year; and has a lot of fans around the league. So why can't he get any love? Radmanovic wants starter's money (a starting salary at $8 million-$9 million per year) and a starting role in Seattle. That's too much for them (or anyone else right now) to swallow. An up-tempo team that gets up and down the floor could be a great fit for him.

7. Earl Watson, PG, Grizzlies
The skinny: Watson isn't a big name, but his numbers were pretty close to Jason Williams' in every category but the scoring department last season. He pushes the ball up the floor, plays great defense and plays a little bigger than he looks. He's ideally suited as a top-notch back-up, but on a team like the Knicks, who will now be looking for a point guard who "plays the right" way, he could be a fit. Then again, if the Grizzlies find a way to trade Williams, look for Watson to end up right back in Memphis.
8. Damon Stoudamire, PG, Blazers
The skinny: Stoudamire has flirted with the Rockets and Cavs, but it looks like he's leaning toward signing a deal with the Grizzlies.

9. Gary Payton, PG, Celtics
The skinny: Payton is no longer a superstar, but people forget that Payton averaged 6.1 apg for the Celtics last season and shot 46 percent from the field. Given the dearth of point guards out there and the money they're making, that's not too shabby. The Lakers are a possible destination, though his first go around with Phil Jackson was a little shaky. A better destination? Seattle. The team needs someone to back up Luke Ridnour. But more importantly, they need the sense of identity that they've lacked since Payton was running the show.

10. Damon Jones, PG, Heat
The skinny: Jones ranked third in three pointers made last season and fifth in three point field goal percentage. He's a perfect fit in the Heat's offense and would be crazy to go elsewhere. There's no where in the league where he'll get more open looks than Miami. The word is that the Heat are getting closer to getting a deal done with Jones.

11. Zaza Pachulia, C, Bucks (R)
The skinny: The Bucks have been very busy this summer, drafting Andrew Bogut, trading for Jiri Welsch, and coming to terms with free agents Michael Redd, Bobby Simmons and Dan Gadzuric. The team has also been trying to re-sign center Zaza Pachulia. However, sources say that it looks like the Hawks are prepared to throw more cash his way should they be unable to land a big-time center like Dalembert, Chandler or Curry via free agency. The Nuggets, Pacers, Raptors and Magic have also shown interest.

12. Darius Songaila, F, Kings
The skinny: The Kings are trying to figure out a way to bring him back, but given their cap issues, that won't be easy. A number of teams are showing strong interest in Songaila including the Mavs and Sixers. Teams like his toughness and his ability to play both inside and outside.

13. Reggie Evans, PF, Sonics (R)
The skinny: For a team looking for rebounding help, Evans is the man. His rebounds per minute were the best in the league last season. A number of teams have taken a hard look at Evans, but their all concered that the Sonics might match.

14. Dan Dickau, PG, Hornets
The skinny: With Chris Paul headed to New Orleans, Dickau has to search for a new home. Dickau was unexpectedly solid for the Hornets this season, averaging 13.3 ppg and 5.2 apg. He's an excellent shooter and showed a real knack for running a team. Given his production last season, it's a little surprising he doesn't already have a deal.

15. Ronald Murray, G, Sonics (R)
The skinny: Have NBA teams forgotten about Murray's magical run in November of 2003, when he averaged 20.8 ppg and 4.3 apg on 45 percent shooting with Ray Allen out of the lineup? Murray's numbers have been up and down since then, but he was so good, and so consistent, during that month that surely teams have to take a look. Even this season, when given more than 25 minutes on the floor, Murray averaged an impressive 16.1 ppg. His shooting percentage was terrible this year and he never seemed to get into the flow, but on a team desperate for a combo guard who can put the ball in the basket, Murray seems like he's worth the risk.

16. Brevin Knight, PG, Bobcats
The skinny: Maybe it's his size (5-10) or his age (30 in November) or his relatively lackluster career, but it's hard to figure out how the guy who ranked second in the league in assists last season playing just 29.5 mpg can't get a job. The Bobcats are interested in bringing him back to tutor rookie Raymond Felton, but we haven't heard much buzz anywhere else.

17. Gerald Wallace, G/F, Bobcats (R)
The skinny: With most of the top swingmen off the board, it's pretty surprising that Wallace hasn't garnered more interest this summer. He had an excellent year for the Bobcats last season, and has great size and athleticism for his position. Defensively, he ranked in the top 10 in steals last year. His jump shot will never be a thing of beauty, but Wallace is versatile and would be a great fit on a team still trying to fill a void at the two or three. However, most teams assume that the Bobcats would match any offer for Wallace. They are way under the cap and have to sign somebody. But the truth is that Bernie Bickerstaff isn't inclined to overpay. They want lots of cap room going into next summer and might be willing to let Wallace leave if the alternative is eating up an inordinate amount of their cap flexibility next season.

18. Travis Hansen, G/F, Tau Ceramica
The skinny: Hansen spent one lackluster year on the Hawks before heading overseas last year. After a rocky start at TAU, Hansen turned it on in the last two months of the season and was great. He helped his team get all the way to the Euroleague Finals and did it in front of a host of NBA GMs and scouts. Hansen is a great athlete, plays tenacious defense, can play multiple positions and has turned himself into a very good 3-point shooter. The Nuggets and Rockets have shown the most interest, but you have to wonder why teams such as the Cavs (assistant GM Chris Grant drafted him in 2003), Heat, Bobcats, Magic and Jazz aren't in the mix.

19. Latrell Sprewell, SG, Timberwolves
The skinny: Maybe Latrell's going to have a problem feeding his family after all. After turning down a 3-year, $21 million dollar extension offer with the Wolves last fall, Spree is finding out that the market isn't as hot as he thought it would be for a soon-to-be 35-year-old shooting guard with pigtails. Still, who can deny that Spree still has some juice left in the tank. He finished strong, scoring 14.3 ppg and shooting 44 percent from 3 in April. He's no longer a go-to guy, but he still can be a lethal option off the bench.

20. Eddie Griffin, F, Timberwolves
The skinny: The talent is obviously there. The head? We're still not sure. Griffin finally seemed to have gotten his life back together after stints in rehab for alcoholism, however, his recent arrest and jail time for violating probation haven't helped his free agent cause. The Wolves are expected to make an offer that would pay Griffin roughly $5-6 million over the next three years.

Best of the rest

Player/Team Option: Nick Van Exel, PG, Blazers (TO)

Unrestricted: Dale Davis, C, Pacers; Steven Hunter, C, Suns; Kerry Kittles, SG, Clippers; Casey Jacobsen, Hornets; Kareem Rush, SG, Bobcats; Othella Harrington, F, Bulls; Juan Dixon, G, Wizards; Robert Traylor, PF/C, Cavs; Glenn Robinson, SF, Spurs; Jahidi White, C, Bobcats; Bo Outlaw, F, Grizzlies; Ervin Johnson, C, Timberwolves; Tyronn Lue, PG, Rockets; Darrell Armstrong, PG, Mavericks; Greg Buckner, G, Nuggets; Jon Barry, G, Rockets; Tom Gugliotta, F, Hawks; DeSagana Diop, C, Cavs; Dajuan Wagner, G, Cavs; Rick Brunson, PG, Clippers

Restricted: Jason Kapono, F, Bobcats; Matt Bonner, F, Raptors; Steve Blake, PG, Wizards; Chris Duhon, PG, Bulls; Maurice Evans, G/F, Kings; Damien Wilkens, G, Sonics

European Free Agents: Maceo Baston, PF, Maccabi Tel Aviv; Anthony Parker, SG/SF, Maccabi Tel Aviv; Nikola Vujcic, C, Maccabi Tel Aviv; Jose Manuel Calderon, PG, Tau Vitoria; Dimitris Diamantidis, PG, Panathinaikos; Dimos Dikoudis, SF, CSKA Moscow

Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

Kori Ellis
07-29-2005, 12:13 PM
Slim pickings for teams wanting to change

By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider

Well it's here. Finally. Sort of. At least we think it is.

First the player movement moratorium (when free agents are free to actually sign deals) was supposed to be July 14. Then it was pushed back to July 22. Then to July 28. Then indefinitely.

Now the word around the league is that the moment of truth has finally arrived. Free agents will be free to sign on Tuesday. In theory at least.

That's great news for the 37 free agents who have already come to terms with teams. It's also fantastic for teams like the Nets, Rockets, Cavs and Lakers who have scored significant offseason additions this summer.

But it's bad news for several teams that still have significant cap room to spend this summer. With a projected $49.5 million cap, the Hawks ($23.5 million), Bobcats ($18 million), Hornets ($11 million), Clippers ($10 million), and Sonics ($10 million) still have money under the cap to burn.

Thirteen other teams -- the Bulls, Mavericks, Nuggets, Pistons, Warriors, Lakers, Grizzlies, Heat, Timberwolves, Sixers, Kings, Raptors and Jazz -- still have their full $5 million mid-level exceptions available. And a number of other teams still have partial mid-level exceptions available.

Another 13 teams -- the Bulls, Nuggets, Rockets, Pacers, Lakers, Grizzlies, Knicks, Magic, Sixers, Suns, Raptors, Jazz and Wizards -- can still use their $1.7 million exception.

In other words, there's a lot of free-agent money left to be had, but not a lot of free agents worth spending it on.

The Hawks are expected to use a big chunk of their cap room on Joe Johnson. However, if the Suns match the offer, they could be shut out for the second straight year. Other bad teams like the Hornets, Bobcats, Jazz and Blazers also have little to show this summer.

Still hoping that your team will make a major addition before the season starts?

Here's a look at who's out there on the free-agent and trade markets.

VIA FREE AGENCY

Tyson Chandler, PF/C, Bulls
Chandler should have an offer by now. He's got the same upside as Samuel Dalembert, while being younger and 3 inches taller. The Hawks or Hornets should take the gamble. What do they have to lose? As it stands, the Bulls are willing to give him Dalembert-type money to stay. He wants more. He probably won't get it unless he gets an offer sheet somewhere else. Of course, if he does, the word inside the Bulls' offices is that they'll match anyway.

Eddy Curry, C, Bulls
Having one bad heart is tough enough. But two? Curry's medical tests (and his uninsurable contract) aren't the only things scaring teams off. Teams worry whether he'll get in great shape or work hard once he has a fat, long-term contract in his hands. Hawks GM Billy Knight might gamble if he can't find anyone else to take his money, but right now it looks like he's the only one. Look for the Bulls to either re-sign Curry at a bargain price or for him to take the one-year tender and become an unrestricted free agent next year.

Antoine Walker, F, Celtics
It looks like the Celtics aren't going to make a strong bid to re-sign Walker -- despite the euphoria he created in his return to Boston. He's had a number of teams interested in signing him with their mid-level exceptions, but Walker wants more. The Heat, Kings and Sixers all have interest, but so far none of them has put together a sign-and-trade package that Danny Ainge is willing to swallow. Walker was in Miami Thursday, so things may be heating up there.

Marko Jaric, PG, Clippers
GMs love big point guards, and Jaric, who stands 6-foot-7, is as big as they come. When Jaric was healthy last season, he was pretty good. He started the season averaging 12.3 points, 6.3 assists and 2.2 steals per game, while shooting 44 percent on 3s. He ended the season with similar numbers. In between, injuries slowed him down to a crawl. If he can stay healthy, he could be a real steal in the free-agent market. But he's going to have to work out a sign-and-trade to get out of L.A. The Nuggets, Cavs and Timberwolves have shown the most interest. Can anyone make a deal with the Clippers?

Vladimir Radmanovic, F, Sonics
Radmanovic is a 6-10 athletic forward who can run the floor and stroke it from 3. He was the leading contender to win the Sixth Man Award before breaking his leg and missing the last six weeks of the season. He was a critical component in the Sonics' unexpected run this year, and has a lot of fans around the league. So why can't he get any love? Radmanovic wants starter's money (a starting salary at $8 million-$9 million per year) and a starting role in Seattle. That's too much for them (or anyone else right now) to swallow. An up-tempo team that gets up and down the floor could be a great fit for him.

Earl Watson, PG, Grizzlies
Watson isn't a big name, but his numbers were pretty close to Jason Williams' in every category but the scoring department last season. He pushes the ball up the floor, plays great defense and plays a little bigger than he looks. He's ideally suited as a top-notch backup, but on a team like the Knicks, who will now be looking for a point guard who "plays the right" way, he could be a fit. Then again, if the Grizzlies find a way to trade Williams, look for Watson to end up right back in Memphis.

Gary Payton, PG, Celtics
Payton is no longer a superstar, but people forget that Payton averaged 6.1 assists per game for the Celtics last season and shot 46 percent from the field. Given the dearth of point guards out there and the money they're making, that's not too shabby. The Lakers are a possible destination, though his first go-around with Phil Jackson was a little shaky. A better destination? Seattle. The team needs someone to back up Luke Ridnour. But more important, they need the sense of identity they've lacked since Payton was running the show.

Latrell Sprewell, SG, Timberwolves
Maybe Latrell's going to have a problem feeding his family after all. After turning down a three-year, $21 million dollar extension offer with the Wolves last fall, Spree is finding out the market isn't as hot as he thought it would be for a soon-to-be 35-year-old shooting guard with pigtails. Still, who can deny that Spree still has some juice left in the tank. He finished strong, scoring 14.3 points per game and shooting 44 percent from 3 in April. He's no longer a go-to guy, but he still can be a lethal option off the bench.

Damon Stoudamire, PG, Blazers
Stoudamire has been flirting with both the Rockets and the Cavs, but hasn't been able to get a deal done. The latest looks like he's leaning toward signing a deal with the Grizzlies



VIA TRADE

Players Traded this Summer
Chucky Atkins, Wizards
Curtis Borchardt, Grizzlies
Caron Butler, Wizards
Bobby Jackson, Grizzlies
Raul Lopez, Grizzlies
Greg Ostertag, Jazz
Quentin Richardson, Knicks
Kirk Snyder, Grizzlies
Kurt Thomas, Suns
Jake Voskuhl, Bobcats
Bonzi Wells, Kings

Williams, PG, Grizzlies
The word from a source inside the Grizzlies is that Williams has a number of suitors -- including the Celtics, Heat and Knicks. With Larry Brown taking over in New York, you can scratch the Knicks from the list. The Celtics need a point guard who can push the ball. Williams will deliver that along with a lot of attitude and some volatile chemistry. A deal of Mark Blount and Marcus Banks for Williams works under the cap. The Heat offer wouldn't be as lucrative for the Grizzlies. To make a deal work, Memphis would have to send Williams and Lorenzen Wright (also on the block) for Eddie Jones. Yikes.

Jamal Crawford, G, Knicks
We know that with Brown running the show in New York things are going to have to change. Stephon Marbury is the obvious choice, but he won't be the first to go. Brown will try to move him to the two and prove to the world that he can make Marbury a winner. Crawford, he has very little use for. He's a skinny, no defense, jump-shooting guard with a selfish streak. Don't be surprised if he ends up in Cleveland or Portland.

Jamaal Magloire, C, Hornets
The one legit center on the market should be getting more suitors. The Hornets are resigned to move him and thought they had a deal done with the Raptors before the draft. The trick is getting another center (preferably one who wants to play in New Orleans) or an All-Star caliber player in return. The Hawks, Lakers, Nuggets, Pacers, Grizzlies and Raptors have shown the most interest.

Nene, PF, Nuggets
The Nuggets won't give Nene away. However, if they could land a top-flight two guard and a reliable backup center that could play heavy minutes whenever Marcus Camby goes down, they might be open to it. A trade for Desmond Mason, coupled with the signing of a free-agent center like Zaza Pachulia might do the trick.

Al Harrington, F, Hawks
With Marvin Williams and Josh Smith both playing the same position it makes sense for the Hawks to shop Harrington. With that said, the rumor the Pistons offered Darko Milicic for Harrington was greatly exaggerated according to sources on both teams.


Wally Szczerbiak and Sam Cassell, Timberwolves
The Wolves have to do something and it centers around finding new homes for Cassell and possibly Szczerbiak. They've tried to use both as trade bait with the Clippers for Jaric, but the Clippers aren't biting. There was also talk earlier in the summer of a Cassell for Jason Williams swap, but that too has fallen apart.

Drew Gooden, F, Cavs
Now that the Cavs have Donyell Marshall (along with second-year power forward Anderson Varejao), the need to keep Gooden has lessened. For a guy that put up pretty impressive numbers, especially on the boards, his stock is pretty low. Scouts say that a lack of basketball IQ and off-the-court issues are scaring teams away. Still, for a young team in need of a rebounder, Gooden could be a big bargain.


Michael Finley, G, Mavs
The Mavs have a problem. Now that word is out that Finley's on the Mavs' amnesty list, teams are no longer willing to trade an asset to get him. They'd much prefer not to swallow the $51 million left on his contract and get him for the veterans minimum. The Mavs can talk all they want about trading him, but unless they take back an awful contract in return, it doesn't look like it will happen.

Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

Free Agents Off the Market

Ray Allen, Sonics
(5 years, $80-85 million)
Michael Redd, Bucks
(6 years, $85-90 million)
Larry Hughes, Cavs
(5 years, $60-65 million)
Samuel Dalembert, Sixers
(6 years, $60-70 million)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cavs
(5 years, $55-60 million)
Bobby Simmons, Bucks
(5 years, $47 million)
Cuttino Mobley, Clippers
(5 years, $42 million)
Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Nets
(6 years, $37-38 million)
Udonis Haslem, Heat
(5 years, $30-32 million)
Dan Gadzuric, Bucks
(6 years, $36 million)
Stromile Swift, Rockets
(5 years, $28-29 million)
Antonio Daniels, Wizards
(5 years, $28-29 million)
Jerome James, Knicks
(5 years, $28-29 million)
Kyle Korver, Sixers
(6 years, $25-27 million)
Kwame Brown, Lakers
(3 years, $22-24 million)
Donyell Marshall, Cavs
(4 years, $20-21 million)
Raja Bell, Suns
(5 years, $20-25 million)
Willie Green, Sixers
(6 years, $19-20 million)
Brian Scalabrine, Celtics
(5 years, $15 million)
Sarunas Jasikevicius, Pacers
(3 years, $12 million)
Keyon Dooling, Magic
(3 years, $10 million)
Fabricio Oberto, Spurs
(3 years, $7.5-9 million)
Jeff McInnis, Nets
(2 years, $7 million)
Juan Dixon, Blazers
(3 years, $8 million)
Mark Madsen, Timberwolves
(5 years, salary undisclosed)
Arvydas Macijauskas, Hornets
(3 years, salary undisclosed)
Robert Horry, Spurs
(3 years, salary undisclosed)
Clifford Robinson, Nets
(terms undisclosed)
Luke Walton, Lakers
(terms undisclosed
Chris Andersen, Hornets
(terms undisclosed)
Bostjan Nachbar, Hornets
(terms undisclosed)
Nikoloz Tskitishvili, Timberwolves (terms undisclosed)
LaRon Profit, Traded to Lakers
(3 years, $2.7-2.8 million -- only the first year is guaranteed)
Eddie Basden, Bulls
(partially guaranteed multi-year contract)
Lucas Tischer, Suns
(1 year plus team option, $1.1 million -- first year is partially guaranteed)
Matt Walsh, Heat
(2 years, $1.1 million -- first year is partially guaranteed)
Dwayne Jones, Timberwolves
(2 years, $1.1 million)

Players Traded this Summer
Chucky Atkins, Wizards
Curtis Borchardt, Grizzlies
Caron Butler, Wizards
Bobby Jackson, Grizzlies
Raul Lopez, Grizzlies
Greg Ostertag, Jazz
Quentin Richardson, Knicks
Kirk Snyder, Grizzlies
Kurt Thomas, Suns
Jake Voskuhl, Bobcats
Bonzi Wells, Kings

TwoHandJam
07-29-2005, 12:30 PM
Another 13 teams -- the Bulls, Nuggets, Rockets, Pacers, Lakers, Grizzlies, Knicks, Magic, Sixers, Suns, Raptors, Jazz and Wizards -- can still use their $1.7 million exception.Why are we not among these teams? Did we use this exception last year?

Kori Ellis
07-29-2005, 12:42 PM
Why are we not among these teams? Did we use this exception last year?

I thought the Spurs had it this year. I can't think of who they could have used it on last summer.

Marcus Bryant
07-29-2005, 03:49 PM
I thought the Spurs had it this year. I can't think of who they could have used it on last summer.


Linton Johnson? I forget if they had enough cap room to sign him for the $700K he made in the 2004-05 season. They just might have used the LLE on him.

timvp
07-29-2005, 04:02 PM
Linton Johnson? I forget if they had enough cap room to sign him for the $700K he made in the 2004-05 season. They just might have used the LLE on him.

True. That's probably it.

Marcus Bryant
07-29-2005, 04:07 PM
Well, they were under the cap enough to sign Barry so they would've lost the LLE, no?

Marcus Bryant
07-29-2005, 04:09 PM
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#18

18. How do exceptions count against the cap? Does being under the cap always mean that a team has room to sign free agents? Do teams ever lose their exceptions?

If a team has Disabled Player, $1 Million, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player Exceptions, and they are below the cap, then these exceptions are added to the team's team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. This is to prevent a loophole. The concept is the same as the one behind free agent amounts (see question numbers 27 , 28 , 29 , 30 ). The idea is that the order in which exceptions are used should not matter. Free agent amounts keep teams from taking advantage of temporarily being under the cap by signing other teams' free agents using their cap room, and then re-signing their own free agents using a Bird exception. Because of free agent amounts, there's no difference between signing their free agents first and other teams' free agents second, or the other way around, signing other teams' free agents first and their own free agents second. Similarly, a team can't act like they're under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, $1 Million, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to the team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing this, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.

So it is not true that being under the cap necessarily means a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $42.5 million, and a team has $36 million committed to salaries. They also have a mid-level exception for $4.5 million and a traded player exception for $5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions are added to their salaries, putting them at $45.5 million, or $3 million over the cap. So they actually have no cap room to sign free agents, and must instead use an exception.

Teams have the option of renouncing their exceptions in order to claim the cap room. So in the example above, if the team renounced their traded player and mid-level exceptions, then the $9.5 million is taken off their team salary, which then totals $36 million, leaving them with $6.5 million of cap room which can then be used to sign free agent(s).

A team may lose their exceptions (Disabled Player, $1 Million, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player), or never receive them to begin with. This happens when their team salary is so low that when the exceptions are added to the team salary, the sum is still below the salary cap. If the team salary is below this level when the exception arises, then teams don't get the exception. If the team salary ever drops below this level during the year, then any exceptions they still have are lost.

For example, with a $42.5 million salary cap, assume it's the offseason, and a team has $34 million committed to salaries, along with a mid-level exception for $4.5 million, a traded player exception for $3 million, and an unrenounced free agent whose free agent amount is $2 million. Their salaries and exceptions total $43.5 million, or $1 million over the cap. What if their free agent signs with another team? Their salaries drop to $34 million, so their salaries and exceptions now total $41.5 million. This total is below the cap so the team loses their mid-level and traded player exceptions.

There is logic behind this. The whole idea behind an "exception" is that it is an exception to the rule which says a team has to be below the salary cap. In other words, an exception is a mechanism which allows a team to function above the cap. However, if a team salary is ever so low that they're not going to be over the cap even if they use all their exceptions, then the concept of an exception which allows them to function above the cap is moot. Therefore, if a team's team salary ever drops this far, its exceptions go away.

Marcus Bryant
07-29-2005, 04:11 PM
Hmmm...perhaps the Spurs could have renounced their MLE but kept their LLE, signed Barry and then signed LJ3 with the LLE?

Kori Ellis
07-29-2005, 04:12 PM
So it is not true that being under the cap necessarily means a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $42.5 million, and a team has $36 million committed to salaries. They also have a mid-level exception for $4.5 million and a traded player exception for $5 million.

Why would they have the MLE if they were under the cap?

ChumpDumper
07-29-2005, 04:12 PM
Spurs were under the cap last summer. They would've had the LLE last summer as the last time they used it was for Manu two summers earlier. They renounced it along with the MLE in favor of the cap space.

Marcus Bryant
07-29-2005, 04:14 PM
Why would they have the MLE if they were under the cap?

Because the exception is counted as part of the total team salary until it is renounced.

Kori Ellis
07-29-2005, 04:15 PM
Spurs were under the cap last summer. They would've had the LLE last summer as the last time they used it was for Manu two summers earlier. They renounced it along with the MLE in favor of the cap space.

So you think the Spurs have the LLE this season then?

ChumpDumper
07-29-2005, 04:16 PM
Yes.

Marcus Bryant
07-29-2005, 04:17 PM
Well, if they renounced the MLE to sign Barry then they would've been under the cap at that point with the total value of the LLE added to the team salary. Which means that they would have lost the LLE last year. If they didn't use it last year, would they not have it this year?

ChumpDumper
07-29-2005, 04:19 PM
If they didn't use it last year, would they not have it this year?As I understand it, the limitation on the LLE is a team can't use it in consecutive years.

Marcus Bryant
07-29-2005, 04:23 PM
Yeah, they should've lost the LLE last summer when they created the cap room to sign Barry to his contract. The only way they might have preserved it was to use the MLE to sign Barry last summer. His contract started at $4.264 mil according to Patricia's site. Oddly enough, $4.264 mil plus $700K is within $60K of the value of the MLE in 2004-05 ($4.903 mil).

Marcus Bryant
07-29-2005, 04:27 PM
They re-signed Bruce last summer but they had his full Bird Rights. Hmmm...we've assumed all along that they went under the cap last summer. Maybe they didn't...

timvp
07-29-2005, 04:34 PM
They had to get under the cap to give Manu his contract though, right?

Marcus Bryant
07-29-2005, 04:40 PM
They had to get under the cap to give Manu his contract though, right?

Yeah, that's right.

Ginobili's deal started at $6.603 mil.

But the MLE ($4.903 mil) plus the LLE ($1.7 mil) equals...$6.603 mil. If they created only enough cap room to sign Manu for one dollar less than the combined value of those exceptions then they might've been able to retain those exceptions.

I forget the timeline though. What would have had to happen was that the Spurs renounced Horry, re-signed Manu and then re-signed Bowen.