Lakers: Why didn't the Lakers just heist some idiot GM for their young talent via a Kobe... [Archive]

midnightpulp

12-14-2013, 01:15 AM

trade?

Look, I'm not gonna sit here and shit on the Mamba, but Kobe makes no sense in a run-and-gun system. Now with his vertical and quickness all but shot, Kobe can only operate from the post. Sadly, Kobe's style of game is becoming archaic in the new "speed kills" NBA, as pretty much all post-player's games are. Bigs are now used to "space the floor" for guard/wing penetration (look how many 7 footers now need to have a jumpshot).

I know Jimbo licks his lips over the merch the Kobe brand moves, but Lakers fans, at least the ones I know, will not tolerate losing for very long until they start calling for heads to roll. And this Lakers team as currently constructed is an abomination of mixed match parts. And no, Carmelo won't save jackshit.

The smart move would've been to trade Kobe to a middling franchise for draft picks/young talent. Some owner/GM would've taken Kobe, busted Achilles or not, just on his name alone and for the potential ticket/merchandise sales, which dipshit Buss is milking Kobe for.

New school Lakers fans (e.g., LG Posters) will reason that Kobe's contract was a well deserved severance for the 5 rings he won, paid out of love and loyalty (no, Buss gave Kobe that contract because of how much the Kobe brand is worth, at the expense of winning, which should have Lakers fans in an outrage). Old school Lakers fans, who have seen greats come and go, aren't about that shit and can see the writing on the wall.

Kobe really is dead weight, even if regains some of this old form. His game is at odds with the way D'Antoni wants to play and the direction the NBA has taken in the last few years that has all but marginalized the post-game.

If the Lakers were willing to move Kobe (and Gasol) at the right time for the right players, they would be gunning for the playoffs (or at least have some lottery picks to look forward to). But Jimbo put the dollar above all else, and preferred a "star-studded" roster to one that would actually make sense for the coach he hand-picked.

Clipper Nation

12-14-2013, 01:16 AM

Nobody wanted Kirbs on his old overpaid contract, and they certainly don't want him on his new overpaid contract :lol

midnightpulp

12-14-2013, 01:21 AM

Nobody wanted Kirbs on his old overpaid contract, and they certainly don't want him on his new overpaid contract :lol

You know some GM out there would've bit.

Hell, if I was the owner of the Bucks or something, I'd give Kobe 25 million a year to sell 100 million worth of merch to bean3rs and chinks, and fill the arena every night.

Clipper Nation

12-14-2013, 01:23 AM

Hell, if I was the owner of the Bucks or something, I'd give Kobe 25 million a year to sell 100 million worth of merch to bean3rs and chinks, and fill the arena every night.
Then you'd just be the new Fredo or Dolan, tbh.... winning sells more reliably than anything else, tbh....

spurraider21

12-14-2013, 01:27 AM

Kobe has a no trade clause. If there was some scrub team that was actually dumb enough to send talent and picks for Kobe, I'm sure that wouldn't exactly be one of the team's on Kobe's list he'd waive the NTC for

midnightpulp

12-14-2013, 01:29 AM

Then you'd just be the new Fredo or Dolan, tbh.... winning sells more reliably than anything else, tbh....

:Lol

Of course. But I own the Bucks. And since my franchise never wins, Kobe and the profit he'd bring would be like dropping mana from heaven into my bank account.

Expert

12-14-2013, 01:33 AM

Well I look at it like the Lakers had two choices. One was to keep Kobe, pay him at absurd amount and just get through the season. That choice would have them making a decent profit. The other choice was to release Kobe, get pretty much shit for that money and still have a poor season regardless except now they lose a lot of money in merchandising. There's just no decent talent available right now and trying to get into the draft lottery and hoping to get good talent is a crap shoot at best. It is certainly not worth the Kobe brand name.

TDMVPDPOY

12-14-2013, 01:36 AM

Expert

12-14-2013, 01:40 AM

whats the point of the rapists selling 100m of merchandise if he doesnt get a % of it? hence the lakers dont even get the whole thing, when its equally divided among the teams in teh league revenue sharing....That's true but only for NBA merchandise. There is a lot of other merchandise that Kobe sells. You have to think of the TV contract as well. The Lakers want to continue to provide something for that other than a group of scrubs.

Thread

12-14-2013, 01:53 AM

You have 6, we have Kobe. If I could switch places I'd stay with Kobe. It does no good to trade him on speculation, only on reality. And at reality we won't want to trade him, OR, nobody will want him. No, we have to see this to the end. There is no sense in trading Bryant on speculation in a league that is buried in symbolism. Bryant has done it. Every living soul save Bryant, Nowitski the Spurs and Heat have been shining shoes and cashing checks their entire career.

You exhaust the contracts, sit down with the money and spread it out on the table next to the list. Don't fuck it up though, there are no more do-overs. Cuban saw to that.

***In the meantime? I'll handle the 28 others.

Let us proceed...

Thread

12-14-2013, 01:55 AM

whats the point of the rapists selling 100m of merchandise if he doesnt get a % of it? hence the lakers dont even get the whole thing, when its equally divided among the teams in teh league revenue sharing....

You've nary room. Your Neal raped as well. Don't worry though:::it ain't the girl was anything to you. Just in the way. It's okay.

Thebesteva

12-14-2013, 01:56 AM

midnightpulp, and exactly when was the last time the Lakers made the smart move? It's almost as if after the veto, everything went downhill in decision making (I'll give some credit in getting rid of Bynum for the chance of obtaining Dwight long term...both are cancers tbh)

I'm just an average 'quasi logical' NBA fan and even I would have

1) Hired Phil Jackson, he would have easily helped mature Dwight. Phil's speciality is in gaining confidence from immature morons like this and making something special out of them,

2) Start building the bench and rebuilding the starters as well, surround Dwight with some niece young pieces.

3) Aim for 2014-2015. With a 'mature' Dwight with proper coaching and a shot at Kevin Durant and a few more peices+ Phil Jackson, the team would have been primed for a championship.

I dont like Dwight but I know Phil could have helped him calm the F down with his tactics. Overall, I think Jim Buss is an idiot and only thinking of the $.

Thread

12-14-2013, 02:05 AM

midnightpulp (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5430), and exactly when was the last time the Lakers made the smart move? It's almost as if after the veto, everything went downhill in decision making (I'll give some credit in getting rid of Bynum for the chance of obtaining Dwight long term...both are cancers tbh)

I'm just an average 'quasi logical' NBA fan and even I would have

1) Hired Phil Jackson, he would have easily helped mature Dwight. Phil's speciality is in gaining confidence from immature morons like this and making something special out of them,

2) Start building the bench and rebuilding the starters as well, surround Dwight with some niece young pieces.

3) Aim for 2014-2015. With a 'mature' Dwight with proper coaching and a shot at Kevin Durant and a few more peices+ Phil Jackson, the team would have been primed for a championship.

I dont like Dwight but I know Phil could have helped him calm the F down with his tactics. Overall, I think Jim Buss is an idiot and only thinking of the $.

Jackson didn't want to coach. He didn't want to coach the last 2 seasons he coached.
Howard is a loser. He's been loitering the NBA for almost decade and still hasn't found his game.

Of course you think Jim Buss is an idiot because Media has bull whipped you there. But, without Jim Buss we're short 2 and sittin' at 14 and 4-3 respectifively. Jim Buss insisted on drafting Bynum. Jim Buss insisted on not trading Bynum when Kobe demanded it.

Christ, think for yourself, man! You think those title grow on trees and are at your whim and command. You spoiled child, you. You've no decency. No respect. No appreciation. You think it's so easy because they did it.

midnightpulp

12-14-2013, 02:14 AM

Jackson didn't want to coach. He didn't want to coach the last 2 seasons he coached.
Howard is a loser. He's been loitering the NBA for almost decade and still hasn't found his game.

Of course you think Jim Buss is an idiot because Media has bull whipped you there. But, without Jim Buss we're short 2 and sittin' at 14 and 4-3 respectifively. Jim Buss insisted on drafting Bynum. Jim Buss insisted on not trading Bynum when Kobe demanded it.

Christ, think for yourself, man! You think those title grow on trees and are at your whim and command. You spoiled child, you. You've no decency. No respect. No appreciation. You think it's so easy because they did it.

I find it commendable that you stay loyal to people who made key decisions (or plays, as in the case of players) that contributed Lakers' championships, but ever since Buss made the wise decision to draft Bynum, he's been stuck-on-stupid ever since.

Sometimes you have to let go. The Spurfan analogue here is the man you affectionately call "Manure."

Thread

12-14-2013, 02:22 AM

I find it commendable that you stay loyal to people who made key decisions (or plays, as in the case of players) that contributed Lakers' championships, but ever since Buss made the wise decision to draft Bynum, he's been stuck-on-stupid ever since.

Sometimes you have to let go. The Spurfan analogue here is the man you affectionately call "Manure."

No. Jim Buss also was adamant that he would not trade Bynum when Kobe insisted.

See, you piss away 2 NBA Titles like they're nothing, like they grow on trees. It's so stupid it's amazing. It'd be like me casting Pop out the fucking door because he was made to go to your trophy case, unlock it, take your 5th NBA Title out and surrender to NBA Officials last June.

You still see everything through a pipe of hatred for the Lakers. A peanut, Midst. You have a fucking peanut for a brain.

Thebesteva

12-14-2013, 02:29 AM

Jackson didn't want to coach. He didn't want to coach the last 2 seasons he coached.
Howard is a loser. He's been loitering the NBA for almost decade and still hasn't found his game.

Of course you think Jim Buss is an idiot because Media has bull whipped you there. But, without Jim Buss we're short 2 and sittin' at 14 and 4-3 respectifively. Jim Buss insisted on drafting Bynum. Jim Buss insisted on not trading Bynum when Kobe demanded it.

Christ, think for yourself, man! You think those title grow on trees and are at your whim and command. You spoiled child, you. You've no decency. No respect. No appreciation. You think it's so easy because they did it.

Cmon Thread...Jackson didnt want to coach? I personally went to his book promotion where he sat down and talked 1 on 1 and he clearly stated he wanted to coach this team but wanted a day or so to talk to his manager. He wasnt granted that...all that talk is BS. Ur better than that

RsxPiimp

12-14-2013, 02:33 AM

I'm sure that wouldn't exactly be one of the team's on Kobe's list he'd waive the NTC for

End of story

Thread

12-14-2013, 02:34 AM

Cmon Thread...Jackson didnt want to coach? I personally went to his book promotion where he sat down and talked 1 on 1 and he clearly stated he wanted to coach this team but wanted a day or so to talk to his manager. He wasnt granted that...all that talk is BS. Ur better than that

No, he didn't. He wanted a year-to-year contract. He didn't want to do some road games. He wanted to bring Shaw in as his assistant head coach. If he wanted to coach he'd be coaching. He wants to dabble and play games. We can't do it no more. The rules have changed.

Thebesteva

12-14-2013, 02:36 AM

No, he didn't. He wanted a year-to-year contract. He didn't want to do some road games. He wanted to bring Shaw in as his assistant head coach. If he wanted to coach he'd be coaching. He wants to dabble and play games. We can't do it no more. The rules have changed.

Talk about not buying into the media. Those were all false reports instigated by Jim Buss. Jimmy is clearly the kid from Gladiator that kills his father to take over. He saw that Phil (Russell Crowe) and Jeanie ( the princess) were due to take over his crown and he ridded that process ASAP.

These poor decisions are what ultimately led to all these uncharacteristic changes and les we forget 'the begging'

RsxPiimp

12-14-2013, 02:37 AM

No, he didn't. He wanted a year-to-year contract. He didn't want to do some road games. He wanted to bring Shaw in as his assistant head coach. If he wanted to coach he'd be coaching. He wants to dabble and play games. We can't do it no more. The rules have changed.

True, Phil was definitely finding some creative ways and asking for unrealistic conditions to coach the Lakers. I mean, it was suggested that Phil would coach the team from a video conference during half time, and he was asking for a piece of ownership, Phil was done after the sweep in 2010 :lol

Thread

12-14-2013, 02:44 AM

Talk about not buying into the media. Those were all false reports instigated by Jim Buss. Jimmy is clearly the kid from Gladiator that kills his father to take over. He saw that Phil (Russell Crowe) and Jeanie ( the princess) were due to take over his crown and he ridded that process ASAP.

These poor decisions are what ultimately led to all these uncharacteristic changes and les we forget 'the begging'

Oh, it's false when it's reported against your grain. But, it's the truth when it's reported to your specs. Boiled down:::you can dish it, but, you can't take it.

All those issues that I lodged had been rearing their heads in the preceding years:::he didn't want to travel. he didn't want to sign a long term contract. he wanted to groom Shaw. That was fine when we could cover our ass at 2 to 1 on the penalty for the luxury tax. No big deal. At 7 to 1 it's untenable. There is no room for silly errors that can be easily avoided. Things can't be like they were when the old man was alive and vibrant and the CBA was our security blanket. You need to face that reality. All Laker fans do. We're one of 30 nowPERIOD

DMC

12-14-2013, 02:47 AM

Oh, it's false when it's reported against your grain. But, it's the truth when it's reported to your specs. Boiled down:::you can dish it, but, you can't take it.

All those issues that I lodged had been rearing their heads in the preceding years:::he didn't want to travel. he didn't want to sign a long term contract. he wanted to groom Shaw. That was fine when we could cover our ass at 2 to 1 on the penalty for the luxury tax. No big deal. At 7 to 1 it's untenable. There is no room for silly errors that can be easily avoided. Things can't be like they were when the old man was alive and vibrant and the CBA was our security blanket. You need to face that reality. All Laker fans do. We're one of 30 nowPERIOD

Says the one who quit during the playoffs and up until the end of game 7 only to come dish it out because he couldn't take it when his team was swept in the opening round.

Thread

12-14-2013, 02:50 AM

Says the one who quit during the playoffs and up until the end of game 7 only to come dish it out because he couldn't take it when his team was swept in the opening round.

You begged me.

LkrFan

12-14-2013, 02:51 AM

No. Trade. Clause.

-15 points for not knowing this shit mid. :lol

DMC

12-14-2013, 02:54 AM

You begged me.

Who begged you to leave? It's the quitting you're facing, not the return.

Thread

12-14-2013, 02:55 AM

Who begged you to leave?

The vast lion's share composed both camps.

DMC

12-14-2013, 02:57 AM

The vast lion's share composed both camps.

You know better. You begged for someone to take a loaded bet so you could get a reprieve from the brutal rape you were about to take at the hands of the Spurs. No one did, you left anyhow, and you came back when the coast was clear.

You've really no leg to stand on here.

So you've got no room, quitter. You're a dishonest merchant and your troll attempts have no bite because of it.

Thread

12-14-2013, 03:00 AM

You know better. You begged for someone to take a loaded bet so you could get a reprieve from the brutal rape you were about to take at the hands of the Spurs. No one did, you left anyhow, and you came back when the coast was clear.

You've really no leg to stand on here.

So you've got no room, quitter. You're a dishonest merchant and your troll attempts have no bite because of it.

You begged me.

Thebesteva

12-14-2013, 03:02 AM

Oh, it's false when it's reported against your grain. But, it's the truth when it's reported to your specs. Boiled down:::you can dish it, but, you can't take it.

All those issues that I lodged had been rearing their heads in the preceding years:::he didn't want to travel. he didn't want to sign a long term contract. he wanted to groom Shaw. That was fine when we could cover our ass at 2 to 1 on the penalty for the luxury tax. No big deal. At 7 to 1 it's untenable. There is no room for silly errors that can be easily avoided. Things can't be like they were when the old man was alive and vibrant and the CBA was our security blanket. You need to face that reality. All Laker fans do. We're one of 30 nowPERIOD

Still better than what this team has now even if those reports were 'true'

Clipper Nation

12-14-2013, 03:26 AM

You begged me.
Only one begging is Fredo Buss :lol

midnightpulp

12-14-2013, 04:20 AM

No. Trade. Clause.

-15 points for not knowing this shit mid. :lol

I know he has that. But there are ways to convince him to opt out. Appeal to his narcissism. Jimmy could tell him the Lakers are going be in rebuilding mode for the next few years and he deserves to play for a "contender" (some fringe playoff team in the East, like the Hawks or Philly) in his final years.

I'm not even hating here. Kobe makes no sense in D'Antoni's system at this stage of his career. You guys need a young, quick PG, and a stretch 4.

Some dipshit GM would've taken the bait.

Anyhow, I'm just spitballing. I know a move like this would never happen in a million years. But the Lakers do need to shed all their shitbags (Nash, Blake, Gasol, Kaman, and Kobe).

Thebesteva

12-14-2013, 04:24 AM

LkrFan

12-14-2013, 04:31 AM

I know he has that. But there are ways to convince him to opt out. Appeal to his narcissism. Jimmy could tell him the Lakers are going be in rebuilding mode for the next few years and he deserves to play for a "contender" (some fringe playoff team in the East, like the Hawks or Philly) in his final years.

I'm not even hating here. Kobe makes no sense in D'Antoni's system at this stage of his career. You guys need a young, quick PG, and a stretch 4.

Some dipshit GM would've taken the bait.

Anyhow, I'm just spitballing. I know a move like this would never happen in a million years. But the Lakers do need to shed all their shitbags (Nash, Blake, Gasol, Kaman, and Kobe).
Not going to disagree with anything you said in this thread tbh. Love what he's done for our franchise, but I'm so ready for the post Kobe Era. Fredo fucked that up by giving him that outrageous severance pay CBA toxic contract extension before he even played one NBA minute. No negotiations either just nostalgic love for the 2nd best Laker of all time. SMDH

Thread

12-14-2013, 07:25 AM

Not going to disagree with anything you said in this thread tbh. Love what he's done for our franchise, but I'm so ready for the post Kobe Era. Fredo fucked that up by giving him that outrageous severance pay CBA toxic contract extension before he even played one NBA minute. No negotiations either just nostalgic love for the 2nd best Laker of all time. SMDH

He gave it to him because of that 4th quarter up in Portland 5 ago.
He gave to him because he beat Pau half to death and extracted 2 from him.
He gave it to him because he granted on a contrite Phil when anybody else woulda said: "Are you out of your fucking mind? NoPERIOD"
He gave it to him because he's living proof that his father chose wisely twixt him & Daddy.
He gave it to him because he beat Odom half to death and extracted 2 from him.
He gave it to him because he came to the front office with after being accosted naked in a shower with an idea.
He gave it to him because he double crossed mine enemies and made Artest take a niqqer's life after that niqqer had lied about not coming back to Los Angeles.
He gave it to him because he didn't have to go to our trophy case in broad daylight after he'd put one in and have to give it back because it wasn't ours.

AchillesHeel

12-14-2013, 08:32 AM

No. Trade. Clause.

-15 points for not knowing this shit mid. :lol

Just wondering, do you keep count of the points you've been dishing out?

LkrFan

12-14-2013, 10:20 AM

He gave it to him because of that 4th quarter up in Portland 5 ago.
He gave to him because he beat Pau half to death and extracted 2 from him.
He gave it to him because he granted on a contrite Phil when anybody else woulda said: "Are you out of your fucking mind? NoPERIOD"
He gave it to him because he's living proof that his father chose wisely twixt him & Daddy.
He gave it to him because he beat Odom half to death and extracted 2 from him.
He gave it to him because he came to the front office with after being accosted naked in a shower with an idea.
He gave it to him because he double crossed mine enemies and made Artest take a niqqer's life after that niqqer had lied about not coming back to Los Angeles.
He gave it to him because he didn't have to go to our trophy case in broad daylight after he'd put one in and have to give it back because it wasn't ours.All of ^ is nostalgia for past services rendered. I've admired him as a player since he was 17 and appreciate everything he has done for my favorite team. This new CBA has changed the game for the foreseeable future. He's worth well over $200M (after taxes) so it's not like he needed $48M. He could have taken $10M (or so) per instead of 38.7% of the expected $62M cap.

He was part of the negotiations that led the NBA players out of the lockout - so he knew what was forthcoming. This new CBA is basically neutering that $5M TWC deal the Lakers struck. The new CBA has leveled the playing field quite a bit. Just look at us: all that money and we're playing with a bunch of minimum players that are logging major minutes whereas on most teams they'd only play garbage minutes at best.

He wants #6 so bad but he wasn't willing to sacrifice to help the Lakers field a team that could help him get it. I'm not giving him a pass on this one. Name on the front Cubby. Not the back.

LkrFan

12-14-2013, 10:26 AM

Just wondering, do you keep count of the points you've been dishing out?
Nah - I don't keep count. :lol

whitemamba

12-14-2013, 11:33 AM

I know he has that. But there are ways to convince him to opt out. Appeal to his narcissism. Jimmy could tell him the Lakers are going be in rebuilding mode for the next few years and he deserves to play for a "contender" (some fringe playoff team in the East, like the Hawks or Philly) in his final years.

I'm not even hating here. Kobe makes no sense in D'Antoni's system at this stage of his career. You guys need a young, quick PG, and a stretch 4.

Some dipshit GM would've taken the bait.

Anyhow, I'm just spitballing. I know a move like this would never happen in a million years. But the Lakers do need to shed all their shitbags (Nash, Blake, Gasol, Kaman, and Kobe).

Lies, you hate kobe more than anyone i know. Why are you so concerned with the lakers tbh? and everyone is getting gone after this year cept kobe and nash, and nash will most likely retire on the pace he is on right now.

midnightpulp

12-14-2013, 11:50 AM

Lies, you hate kobe more than anyone i know. Why are you so concerned with the lakers tbh? and everyone is getting gone after this year cept kobe and nash, and nash will most likely retire on the pace he is on right now.

:lol

I barely post about Kobe anymore.

And my post isn't an indictment against Kobe's skills (or lack there of post-injury). It's about his game not meshing with D'Antoni's system. Kobe needs something like the Triangle.

whitemamba

12-14-2013, 11:52 AM

:lol

I barely post about Kobe anymore.

And my post isn't an indictment against Kobe's skills (or lack there of post-injury). It's about his game not meshing with D'Antoni's system. Kobe needs something like the Triangle.

:lmao

thats cause you just started posting again!! jeesus mid! and yes it is an indictment towards kobe, not like it means anything tbh, but it is.. its not the system its not anything tbh, we just lack talent. thats it.