Lakers Getting Ready To Rape The Knicks: Gasol For Tyson and Shumpert

[Koolaid_Man]

:lmao plus we get Melo as FA next season.....

Kobe
Tyson
Melo
Shumpert
Ariza

Lakers call Knicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/new-york-knicks) about Shumpert
Perhaps weighing the situation rather than expecting to get deep into trade talks, the Los Angeles Lakers gave the Knicks a call to assess New York's interest in trading combo guard Iman Shumpert (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/12/15/5212614/lakers-trade-rumors-iman-shumpert-knicks). The third-year pro would be an intriguing option for the Lakers to fill a hole at point guard. Currently, Kobe Bryant has been forced to run the Los Angeles offense.

ESPN's Chris Broussard reported (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10140246/los-angeles-lakers-contact-new-york-knicks-iman-shumpert) the Lakers' interest in Shumpert and also added Los Angeles would be willing to talk about a Pau Gasol for Tyson Chandler (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21669/tyson-chandler) trade. While New York doesn't want to trade Chandler, it might have more interest if it could somehow convince Los Angeles to also take back guard J.R. Smith (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21499/j-r-smith).
The Lakers probably won't want to do that since Smith's contract would impede on their salary cap the next two seasons.

[ElNono]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226460

[RsxPiimp]

I think NY is honestly that dumb to trade Chandler for Gasol :lol That's probably Dolan's way of stopping Melo to go to L.A. with Chandler's salary on the books.

[ElNono]

I think NY is honestly that dumb to trade Chandler for Gasol :lol That's probably Dolan's way of stopping Melo to go to L.A. with Chandler's salary on the books.

Well, they aren't that dumb to do it straight up. The question is if Fredo is dumb enough to take on JR Smith.

[AchillesHeel]

You had to make another thread for this? No reported trade in the works, just the Lakers calling NY about Chandler and Shumpert.

I wonder if the Knicks are willing to take a chance on Nash though, they got a hard-on for aging PGs.

[spurraider21]

:lol lets assume this scenario comes true

with Kobe's 24 million, Chandler's 14.5 million, and Nash's 9 million, the Lakers are already at 45.5 million meaning they can't even afford melo at a max rate :lmao

[RsxPiimp]

Nash will be waived^

[AchillesHeel]

:lol lets assume this scenario comes true

with Kobe's 24 million, Chandler's 14.5 million, and Nash's 9 million, the Lakers are already at 45.5 million meaning they can't even afford melo at a max rate :lmao

It would make sense for the Lakers to also put Nash in that trade and take on JR, tbh.

[spurraider21]

:lol lets assume this scenario comes true

with Kobe's 24 million, Chandler's 14.5 million, and Nash's 9 million, the Lakers are already at 45.5 million meaning they can't even afford melo at a max rate :lmao


Nash will be waived^
fine. lets assume they waive Nash with the stretch provision, meaning his cap hit is something like 3 million next year.

You'd have:

Kobe - 24 million
Chandler - 14.5 million
Nash - 3 million
JR Smith - 6 million (smith is a requisite for the trade to occur)
Shumpert - 2.6 million

these 5 players bring us to a total of 50.1 million

assuming the cap goes up to 62 or 63 million to be very generous, you have about 10 million to spend on Melo (cap holds on other roster spots)... and since he's opting out of 23 million, good luck with that.

if nash is sent as part of the trade as AchillesHeel suggested, lets shave 3 mill of that total, so you have 47 mil spent on 4 roster spots. you can't afford melo anyway

:lmao prematurely ejaculating faggots

[RsxPiimp]

Good lord, at least try to hit the numbers right :lol

[spurraider21]

Good lord, at least try to hit the numbers right :lol
I did. melo isn't gna turn down a 23 million dollar player option to sign for 12 mil :lol

[spurraider21]

got quiet in here :depressed

[ElNono]

waiting for Caprisun to spin this one with "but, but, but the TWC contract!" :lol

[RsxPiimp]

The numbers pretty much shows you this trade will NOT go down. There is 0 benefit in trading Gasol's expiring for Chandler especially at the expense of taking another shitty mid level type hit in their cap. If they remove Nash, their team salary will drop to about $34.44 million, which would give them about $28.46 million in cap room (Harris was already waived) Additonally, the Lakers would also be eligible to utilize the Room Mid-Level exception for around $2.7 million.

The players are in place. Kobe, Young (most likely picking his player option) and perhaps Farmar and Wes who will be cheap deals. Hill is a question mark, assuming no one overpays him then those are going to be on the roster. Same with Meeks.

The cap is enough for either:

Go all out with Melo or make a run for two Solid borderline All Star players/ solid startingl players. I think the Lakers will probably go hard after Monroe, without Gasol, assuming he leaves, they need a center piece and Greg is the biggest one available. I'm not sure if the Pistons will match considering they have to feed Drummond soon and with BJ and Smith under contract, I don't know if they'll offer Monroe big bucks, though CV and Stuckey will be off the books so there's a good chance they'll max him out. But Sefalosha, Lowry, Ariza, Varejao, Stuckey and Lance Stephenson to name a few could all sign with the Lakers. Understandably it's not looking like a team that will contend but it's good enough either way to make the Lakers decent once again.


I thought any hopes of building a championship team was gone as soon as Kobe inked that $48 mil deal. That was the dagger. Now we just have to wait and see and frankly its exciting considering the Lakers are known to pull some franchise shifting moves for decades. Personally, I think they'll hit another home run soon. they'll get one marquee FA plus a solid player like the ones named above.

[spurraider21]

:cry at least hit the numbers right
:cry the numbers show this trade isn't happening

faggot

[RsxPiimp]

Fitting comeback for someone who got exposed ^ :lol

[spurraider21]

Fitting comeback for someone who got exposed ^ :lol
where did i get exposed? :lol

enlighten me

[Sean Cagney]

The numbers pretty much shows you this trade will NOT go down. There is 0 benefit in trading Gasol's expiring for Chandler especially at the expense of taking another shitty mid level type hit in their cap. If they remove Nash, their team salary will drop to about $34.44 million, which would give them about $28.46 million in cap room (Harris was already waived) Additonally, the Lakers would also be eligible to utilize the Room Mid-Level exception for around $2.7 million.

The players are in place. Kobe, Young (most likely picking his player option) and perhaps Farmar and Wes who will be cheap deals. Hill is a question mark, assuming no one overpays him then those are going to be on the roster. Same with Meeks.

The cap is enough for either:

Go all out with Melo or make a run for two Solid borderline All Star players/ solid startingl players. I think the Lakers will probably go hard after Monroe, without Gasol, assuming he leaves, they need a center piece and Greg is the biggest one available. I'm not sure if the Pistons will match considering they have to feed Drummond soon and with BJ and Smith under contract, I don't know if they'll offer Monroe big bucks, though CV and Stuckey will be off the books so there's a good chance they'll max him out. But Sefalosha, Lowry, Ariza, Varejao, Stuckey and Lance Stephenson to name a few could all sign with the Lakers. Understandably it's not looking like a team that will contend but it's good enough either way to make the Lakers decent once again.


I thought any hopes of building a championship team was gone as soon as Kobe inked that $48 mil deal. That was the dagger. Now we just have to wait and see and frankly its exciting considering the Lakers are known to pull some franchise shifting moves for decades. Personally, I think they'll hit another home run soon. they'll get one marquee FA plus a solid player like the ones named above.
Atleast show your real team in here which is LA obviously and stop hiding behind that my team SPURS crap......
s

[ElNono]

The numbers pretty much shows you this trade will NOT go down. There is 0 benefit in trading Gasol's expiring for Chandler especially at the expense of taking another shitty mid level type hit in their cap. If they remove Nash, their team salary will drop to about $34.44 million, which would give them about $28.46 million in cap room (Harris was already waived) Additonally, the Lakers would also be eligible to utilize the Room Mid-Level exception for around $2.7 million.

The players are in place. Kobe, Young (most likely picking his player option) and perhaps Farmar and Wes who will be cheap deals. Hill is a question mark, assuming no one overpays him then those are going to be on the roster. Same with Meeks.

The cap is enough for either:

Go all out with Melo or make a run for two Solid borderline All Star players/ solid startingl players. I think the Lakers will probably go hard after Monroe, without Gasol, assuming he leaves, they need a center piece and Greg is the biggest one available. I'm not sure if the Pistons will match considering they have to feed Drummond soon and with BJ and Smith under contract, I don't know if they'll offer Monroe big bucks, though CV and Stuckey will be off the books so there's a good chance they'll max him out. But Sefalosha, Lowry, Ariza, Varejao, Stuckey and Lance Stephenson to name a few could all sign with the Lakers. Understandably it's not looking like a team that will contend but it's good enough either way to make the Lakers decent once again.


I thought any hopes of building a championship team was gone as soon as Kobe inked that $48 mil deal. That was the dagger. Now we just have to wait and see and frankly its exciting considering the Lakers are known to pull some franchise shifting moves for decades. Personally, I think they'll hit another home run soon. they'll get one marquee FA plus a solid player like the ones named above.

basically, what spursraider just said above...

[LkrFan]

If Daddy Tyson is involved, consider (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k5lnxa5) it, Fredo. Initial outlook:

Beno (expiring, all of our PGs are hurt)
Kobe
Johnson
Hill
Daddy Tyson

if Daddy checks out healthwise, they keep him beyond next season. He is easily the best anchor we've had since Shaq. Bench:

Farmar
Shump
Swaggy P
Williams
Caveman

Still likely 1st round fodder, but there are pieces to build upon for next season.

[scanry]

:lol lets assume this scenario comes true

with Kobe's 24 million, Chandler's 14.5 million, and Nash's 9 million, the Lakers are already at 45.5 million meaning they can't even afford melo at a max rate :lmao

That's not how the cap works. They wouldn't be able to afford Melo, however they can gets some role players. BTW the luxury tax doesn't apply to the Lakers tbh. Their cable deal alone will cover whatever they're owed to the league.

[spurraider21]

If Daddy Tyson is involved, consider (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k5lnxa5) it, Fredo. Initial outlook:

Beno (expiring, all of our PGs are hurt)
Kobe
Johnson
Hill
Daddy Tyson

if Daddy checks out healthwise, they keep him beyond next season. He is easily the best anchor we've had since Shaq. Bench:

Farmar
Shump
Swaggy P
Williams
Caveman

Still likely 1st round fodder, but there are pieces to build upon for next season.
:lmao

[spurraider21]

That's not how the cap works. They wouldn't be able to afford Melo, however they can gets some role players. BTW the luxury tax doesn't apply to the Lakers tbh. Their cable deal alone will cover whatever they're owed to the league.
actually thats exactly how the cap works :lol

you can't just decide to go over the cap just cause and decide to pay luxury tax tbh. teams end up over the cap when they use bird rights to resign their own guys for more than they were originally making. example, lakers had kobe on peanuts on his rookie contract, then he got a huge payday. that put the lakers above the cap. they later drafted bynum, and rookie scale contract didnt hurt them. he then made north of 16 mil per year on his next contract. that put them further above the cap, etc. but you can't just sign free agents and pay luxury tax willy nilly.

odom is another guy that the lakers gave a payraise to, and they essentially traded his contract for Nash's current contract (Odom for trade exception, trade exception for Nash). gasol also got a bit of a raise from the lakers. then of course kobe's 3 year 80 million extension followed by his recent 2 year plan have put them in permanent cap hell

the time warner deal gets them like 100 mil a year, and their pockets are deeper than that. if it was just a matter of luxury tax, they would be able to throw the max and lebron and melo on top of kobe's contract

[LkrFan]

:lmao
Are you saying MVPau is a better defensive anchor?

[spurraider21]

Are you saying MVPau is a better defensive anchor?
Dwight Howard tbh

[scanry]

actually thats exactly how the cap works :lol

you can't just decide to go over the cap just cause and decide to pay luxury tax tbh. teams end up over the cap when they use bird rights to resign their own guys for more than they were originally making. example, lakers had kobe on peanuts on his rookie contract, then he got a huge payday. that put the lakers above the cap. they later drafted bynum, and rookie scale contract didnt hurt them. he then made north of 16 mil per year on his next contract. that put them further above the cap, etc. but you can't just sign free agents and pay luxury tax willy nilly.

odom is another guy that the lakers gave a payraise to, and they essentially traded his contract for Nash's current contract (Odom for trade exception, trade exception for Nash). gasol also got a bit of a raise from the lakers. then of course kobe's 3 year 80 million extension followed by his recent 2 year plan have put them in permanent cap hell

the time warner deal gets them like 100 mil a year, and their pockets are deeper than that. if it was just a matter of luxury tax, they would be able to throw the max and lebron and melo on top of kobe's contract

I'm aware of the cap which will probably be around $60 mil.

Don't the Lakers have Kobe's bird rights tbh? If i can crunch the numbers right, they'll have Kobe, another max player, Gasol if he signs for like $8 - 9 mil, and a MDE (6 to 9 mil) player. However i don't understand how Nash fits into the equation. Do they get some kind of an exemption to sign other players if they waive Nash?

[spurraider21]

I'm aware of the cap which will probably be around $60 mil.

Don't the Lakers have Kobe's bird rights tbh? If i can crunch the numbers right, they'll have Kobe, another max player, Gasol if he signs for like $8 - 9 mil, and a MDE (6 to 9 mil) player. However i don't understand how Nash fits into the equation. Do they get some kind of an exemption to sign other players if they waive Nash?
The Lakers owning Kobe bird rights have nothing to do with the cap since he is already under contract.

Lets break down your scenario. you say Kobe, another max player (lets call the max 20 mil per year for arguments sake), which has us at a number around 44 million. you say gasol signs for 8-9, lets be generous and call it 8, and so that has them up to 52 million. the lakers can keep nash and the full 9 million, or waive him using the stretch provision (stretching the cap hit to 3 years, so about 3 million per year over the next 3 years). if they waive nash, then the combination of Kobe, a max guy, Gasol (laughably assuming he signs for 8 million), and a waived Nash has the Lakers already at 55 million, for a roster of 3 guys, putting them 7 million under the cap with another, what, 12 roster spots to fill (each of which has a cap hold of the nba minimum salary).

a team's bird rights come into play when they are trying to resign a player, but resigning him would put them over the cap. for example, the Lakers held Dwight Howard's bird rights last summer. They were already over the cap, so if they didn't have bird rights and if Dwight was just a regular UFA, they wouldn't have been allowed to sign him. since they held his bird rights, they are allowed to sign him despite their cap situation (as long as they pay luxury tax, at that point). since Kobe is under contract, their bird rights dont really matter. they Lakers would have bird rights on Pau, sure. but even before they sign him, he will have a cap hold of about 20 million (based on his current salary). they either would have to sign him to a contract or waive his bird rights to make that 20 million cap hold go away.

the MLE you referred to (which is around 5-6 million dollars, it usually equates to average nba salary), is available for teams that are over the salary cap, but below the luxury tax apron. this allows teams that are over the cap to have some sense of flexibility to improve their roster. however, the lakers are going to be under the cap at seasons end, and so they won't have access to the MLE. for teams that are not only above the cap but also above the luxury tax apron, they get access to the mini MLE (how the Heat signed Ray Allen to his contract, how the Lakers signed Kaman this past summer).

but a team that starts out below the cap does not get access to the MLE

[LkrFan]

Dwight Howard tbh
Last year we were a joke defensively with Howard (and MWP). We gave up 101ppg. Let's compare that to this year's sorry ass Knicks team: 97.7ppg. Can't really differentiate the two teams offensively because they both run MDA's offense (pace).

Regardless of how you are trolling, if healthy (big if, I know) Daddy Tyson represents any upgrade defensively over MVPau and it's not even close. His defensive impact >>> MVPau's offensive repertoire. If healthy (reports are that he was evaluated a few days ago). Daddy would be an upgrade for the Lake Show.

LINK (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-chandler-nears-return-article-1.1542819)

[spurraider21]

Last year we were a joke defensively with Howard (and MWP). We gave up 101ppg. Let's compare that to this year's sorry ass Knicks team: 97.7ppg. Can't really differentiate the two teams offensively because they both run MDA's offense.

Regardless of how you are trolling, if healthy (big if, I know) Daddy Tyson represents any upgrade defensively over MVPau and it's not even close. His defensive impact >>> MVPau's offensive repertoire. If healthy (reports are that he was evaluated a few days ago). Daddy would be an upgrade for the Lake Show.

LINK (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-chandler-nears-return-article-1.1542819)
I'm aware that Chandler is a better defender than Gasol :lol, you don't have to convince me of that

but to say Chandler is a better anchor than Dwight was is crazy. the lakers defense sucked because they were trotting out nash and blake at PG all year, and Kobe's defensive effort was far and away the worst of his career. MWP tried, and had those moments where he would go apeshit and bully a nigga in the corner and forcing a turnover, but largely was just too slow. the lakers transition D was their big weakness. and pau has lost pretty much all lateral agility defensively, so it was essentially howard vs the world. the problem was, since the Lakers and D'Antoni had no concept of team D, every time howard rotated to contest a shot, his man would get a free dunk

also, chandler has played in 4 games this year :lol so don't use the knicks defensive figures as evidence that chandler will improve you drastically

[Rogue]

Lakers ain't gonna need TC as long as M_A is the coach, just give TC to us in exchange of Marion (expiring contract) and whatever filler you wanna take, please do it Mitch :cry

[whitemamba]

fine. lets assume they waive Nash with the stretch provision, meaning his cap hit is something like 3 million next year.

You'd have:

Kobe - 24 million
Chandler - 14.5 million
Nash - 3 million
JR Smith - 6 million (smith is a requisite for the trade to occur)
Shumpert - 2.6 million

these 5 players bring us to a total of 50.1 million

assuming the cap goes up to 62 or 63 million to be very generous, you have about 10 million to spend on Melo (cap holds on other roster spots)... and since he's opting out of 23 million, good luck with that.

if nash is sent as part of the trade as AchillesHeel (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=45227) suggested, lets shave 3 mill of that total, so you have 47 mil spent on 4 roster spots. you can't afford melo anyway

:lmao prematurely ejaculating faggots

damn this guys mad...

[AchillesHeel]

fine. lets assume they waive Nash with the stretch provision, meaning his cap hit is something like 3 million next year.

You'd have:

Kobe - 24 million
Chandler - 14.5 million
Nash - 3 million
JR Smith - 6 million (smith is a requisite for the trade to occur)
Shumpert - 2.6 million

these 5 players bring us to a total of 50.1 million

assuming the cap goes up to 62 or 63 million to be very generous, you have about 10 million to spend on Melo (cap holds on other roster spots)... and since he's opting out of 23 million, good luck with that.

if nash is sent as part of the trade as AchillesHeel (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=45227) suggested, lets shave 3 mill of that total, so you have 47 mil spent on 4 roster spots. you can't afford melo anyway

:lmao prematurely ejaculating faggots

Wow :lol Lakers

Kirby fucked them good

[Killakobe81]

Meh ... Could not care less.
i want Jabari Parker.
We should be in tank mode.

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^Killa, it's pie-in-the-sky....I heard or read a report Friday that none of these hotshots are going to be NBA impact players upon arrival. Maybe someday, but, there are no MJ's in there.

[DPG21920]

Shut up^

[DMC]

Meh ... Could not care less.
i want Jabari Parker.
We should be in tank mode.

You mean you aren't?

[DMC]

Last year we were a joke defensively with Howard (and MWP). We gave up 101ppg. Let's compare that to this year's sorry ass Knicks team: 97.7ppg. Can't really differentiate the two teams offensively because they both run MDA's offense (pace).

Regardless of how you are trolling, if healthy (big if, I know) Daddy Tyson represents any upgrade defensively over MVPau and it's not even close. His defensive impact >>> MVPau's offensive repertoire. If healthy (reports are that he was evaluated a few days ago). Daddy would be an upgrade for the Lake Show.

LINK (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-chandler-nears-return-article-1.1542819)

TC played only 4 games so far. You cannot use the Knicks points allowed to show his efficiency.

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TC played only 4 games so far. You cannot use the Knicks points allowed to show his efficiency.

Only pussies & assholes use the injury card.

[Killakobe81]

You mean you aren't?

not if we trading for Tyson, shumpert etc ...

Just play this season out. No team could be expected to contend with no healthy PG's on the roster and playing a mid 30's SG at PG, who is coming off a blown achilles.
Tank. Not deliberately try to lose but it's time to rebuild ...
Kobe, Mitch, some Laker fans are delusional ...

Even the lakers have to rebuild sometime ...

[Killakobe81]

^Killa, it's pie-in-the-sky....I heard or read a report Friday that none of these hotshots are going to be NBA impact players upon arrival. Maybe someday, but, there are no MJ's in there.

You are right. I dont see a MJ, Kobe, Lebron or even a durant.
But even if the pick is used to trade for something else it has more value than another first round loss ...
Parker, Gordon, Randle all could be traded for something we need (PG, C, PF)

[Thread]

^We have one of about 5 last of the Mohicans. We'll patchwork it around him. There is no other way. Blame is for small children and God but the blame here rests entirely with Cuban. He targeted us upon arrival and never stopped until he'd done us dirt, damnable dirt. He basically went "door-to-door" and explaiined what we'd been up to for 25 years. The old guard hadn't given a shit (the old man may have even paid them off thru the years), but, the new breed listened and then signed Cuban's "petition." If that fucker had never been born we'd still be ridin' high & wide.

[Killakobe81]

^We have one of about 5 last of the Mohicans. We'll patchwork it around him. There is no other way. Blame is for small children and God but the blame here rests entirely with Cuban. He targeted us upon arrival and never stopped until he'd done us dirt, damnable dirt. He basically went "door-to-door" and explaiined what we'd been up to for 25 years. The old guard hadn't given a shit (the old man may have even paid them off thru the years), but, the new breed listened and then signed Cuban's "petition." If that fucker had never been born we'd still be ridin' high & wide.

Some truth is there. And despite it all, I believe we will get back eventually ... but we cant follow the Cowboys way of resting on old titles and our "brand" we need to make smart moves and signings ...
And tbh, Dwight did save us by walking no way he is worth it in years 4 and 5 of that deal. Those botching about Kobe would have a field day when we are paying that rate for a bad back, missed FT's and theball being stripped 50% of the time down low ...

Lakers should not look at a magic Melo deal either ... just be patient. Ride out the Kobe deal and hoard cap space until a legit star becomes available ... most of these cats arent better than a broken down Kobe, tbh ...

[Stephen A. Smith]

My sources tell me that the Lakers are absolutely willing to take on JR Smith's contract to make this deal happen. Mike D'Antoni likes Smith's aggressive "score first" style while Fredo and Mitch believe he can actually help them improve their cap situation in a role as Kirby's chauffeur.

[Koolaid_Man]

Some truth is there. And despite it all, I believe we will get back eventually ... but we cant follow the Cowboys way of resting on old titles and our "brand" we need to make smart moves and signings ...
And tbh, Dwight did save us by walking no way he is worth it in years 4 and 5 of that deal. Those botching about Kobe would have a field day when we are paying that rate for a bad back, missed FT's and theball being stripped 50% of the time down low ...

Lakers should not look at a magic Melo deal either ... just be patient. Ride out the Kobe deal and hoard cap space until a legit star becomes available ... most of these cats arent better than a broken down Kobe, tbh ...

you guys still don't get it....this is NOT about the future....it's about the here and NOW...it's about winning #6 with Kobe....we go all in..we make bad decisions who gives a fuck...sign Melo, sign whoever....after two yrs nothing will matter anyway....there's no one in the pipeline....players are staying with their respective teams so you do what you can to win NOW....how many got dam times do I have to say this shit....fuck the future...it's time to get it NOW gotdamit...what don't you cats understand...so Melo is bad signing who gives a fuck there's nothing else out there...it's all about Kobe's last 2 yrs and you do whatever you can to make it happen whether it happens or not....

it's all monopoly money anyway...I don't give a fuck about cap space and taxes..we ain't winning shit after Kobe is gone anyways....

[RsxPiimp]

The Lakers owning Kobe bird rights have nothing to do with the cap since he is already under contract.

Lets break down your scenario. you say Kobe, another max player (lets call the max 20 mil per year for arguments sake), which has us at a number around 44 million. you say gasol signs for 8-9, lets be generous and call it 8, and so that has them up to 52 million. the lakers can keep nash and the full 9 million, or waive him using the stretch provision (stretching the cap hit to 3 years, so about 3 million per year over the next 3 years). if they waive nash, then the combination of Kobe, a max guy, Gasol (laughably assuming he signs for 8 million), and a waived Nash has the Lakers already at 55 million, for a roster of 3 guys, putting them 7 million under the cap with another, what, 12 roster spots to fill (each of which has a cap hold of the nba minimum salary).

a team's bird rights come into play when they are trying to resign a player, but resigning him would put them over the cap. for example, the Lakers held Dwight Howard's bird rights last summer. They were already over the cap, so if they didn't have bird rights and if Dwight was just a regular UFA, they wouldn't have been allowed to sign him. since they held his bird rights, they are allowed to sign him despite their cap situation (as long as they pay luxury tax, at that point). since Kobe is under contract, their bird rights dont really matter. they Lakers would have bird rights on Pau, sure. but even before they sign him, he will have a cap hold of about 20 million (based on his current salary). they either would have to sign him to a contract or waive his bird rights to make that 20 million cap hold go away.

the MLE you referred to (which is around 5-6 million dollars, it usually equates to average nba salary), is available for teams that are over the salary cap, but below the luxury tax apron. this allows teams that are over the cap to have some sense of flexibility to improve their roster. however, the lakers are going to be under the cap at seasons end, and so they won't have access to the MLE. for teams that are not only above the cap but also above the luxury tax apron, they get access to the mini MLE (how the Heat signed Ray Allen to his contract, how the Lakers signed Kaman this past summer).

but a team that starts out below the cap does not get access to the MLE
:lmao:lmao:lmao Stop it, just stop.

[RsxPiimp]

where did i get exposed? :lol

enlighten me

You were throwing out crazy numbers maxing the cap out playing arm chair GM? :lol

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you guys still don't get it....this is NOT about the future....it's about the here and NOW...it's about winning #6 with Kobe....we go all in..we make bad decisions who gives a fuck...sign Melo, sign whoever....after two yrs nothing will matter anyway....there's no one in the pipeline....players are staying with their respective teams so you do what you can to win NOW....how many got dam times do I have to say this shit....fuck the future...it's time to get it NOW gotdamit...what don't you cats understand...so Melo is bad signing who gives a fuck there's nothing else out there...it's all about Kobe's last 2 yrs and you do whatever you can to make it happen whether it happens or not

Kool Aid Man

[Killakobe81]

you guys still don't get it....this is NOT about the future....it's about the here and NOW...it's about winning #6 with Kobe....we go all in..we make bad decisions who gives a fuck...sign Melo, sign whoever....after two yrs nothing will matter anyway....there's no one in the pipeline....players are staying with their respective teams so you do what you can to win NOW....how many got dam times do I have to say this shit....fuck the future...it's time to get it NOW gotdamit...what don't you cats understand...so Melo is bad signing who gives a fuck there's nothing else out there...it's all about Kobe's last 2 yrs and you do whatever you can to make it happen whether it happens or not....

it's all monopoly money anyway...I don't give a fuck about cap space and taxes..we ain't winning shit after Kobe is gone anyways....

I dont care about Fredo's money either, he has money to burn. But because no legit stars are leaving teams right now it is important to protect cap space and draft smart. Dont get me wrong, if we can trade our pick for a legit star for sure I would do it. But where we differ s on focusing on Kobe getting 6 when I am focusing on "17" Lakers have won before Kobe and someday they will win a chip after Kobe. I would love for him to get 6 but if we could get 2 or 3 in the next 10 years I would rather have that then Kobe get his 6.
Lakers always come first even Kobe is not bigger than my squad. I would trade him (I would hate it, but would pull trigger) if it netted us a Durant or Lebron in return.

[Koolaid_Man]

I dont care about Fredo's money either, he has money to burn. But because no legit stars are leaving teams right now it is important to protect cap space and draft smart. Dont get me wrong, if we can trade our pick for a legit star for sure I would do it. But where we differ s on focusing on Kobe getting 6 when I am focusing on "17" Lakers have won before Kobe and someday they will win a chip after Kobe. I would love for him to get 6 but if we could get 2 or 3 in the next 10 years I would rather have that then Kobe get his 6.
Lakers always come first even Kobe is not bigger than my squad. I would trade him (I would hate it, but would pull trigger) if it netted us a Durant or Lebron in return.

you're a got dam turn coat bastard....would you trade Magic after 5 rings for MJ....you got a lot to learn about life

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^Kool is right, Killa. It can't be like it was. That's why they secured Kobe. It really wasn't even a debate upon examination. Who else you going to get? & Kool is right about Melo. He's standing there by himself. That's it.

[AchillesHeel]

My sources tell me that the Lakers are absolutely willing to take on JR Smith's contract to make this deal happen. Mike D'Antoni likes Smith's aggressive "score first" style while Fredo and Mitch believe he can actually help them improve their cap situation in a role as Kirby's chauffeur.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoJtwYSLeMw

[spurraider21]

You were throwing out crazy numbers maxing the cap out playing arm chair GM? :lol
crazy numbers like Kobe's, Chandler's, Smith's salaries for the 2014 season? :lol

and no. armchair gm is a guy saying "wow instead of signing x, they should have signed y, and traded a and b for c."
in fact, thats what the laker fans in this thread are doing. i was merely pointing out that the moves proposed by you armchair gm's made no sense when it comes to the nba's salary cap rules, such as Kool's dreams of having kobe, chandler, and melo

[spurraider21]

damn this guys mad...
somebody saying faggot on the internet makes them mad?

lol

[Killakobe81]

you're a got dam turn coat bastard....would you trade Magic after 5 rings for MJ....you got a lot to learn about life

Man, look. We traded shaq. Sure, I was behind that if it needed to be done ... but how is that much different? If O'neal could be traded two seasons after the 3 peat so could Kobe. Sure, we traded for Kobe on draft night, he has been here longer we have seen him grow, fail and overcome. he is my current favorite player ...still. But if someone is offering Durant/Lebron (pipe-dream) YOU GD, right I make that trade because 17 means more to me than 6 or Kobe's 5.

I support Kobe think he deserves his money though i wish he took $15 or even $20 million, he looked for his best interest and I look out for the best of the franchise. As child of course I would not of wanted my child-hero traded. As a man I dont want kobe traded either but you sometimes have to make sacrifices for the greater good.

Even Kobe is not above the greater good of the Lakers, I am sorry.

But back on point there is no magic fix. I appreciate Melo more than most, who diwsmiss him as a chucker. If that is the path the Lakers choose I will not agree fully (much like Howard) but I understand they are going all in future be damned. I get it.

But how am I turn-coat when Kobe explored free-agency?
For just saying hypothetically I would trade Kobe for Lebron?

I bleed purple and gold. I admire Kobe's game. But agin he aint bigger than the Lakers. I and the franchise will still be here after he is gone ...

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Man, look. We traded shaq. Sure, I was behind that if it needed to be done ... but how is that much different? If O'neal could be traded two seasons after the 3 peat so could Kobe. Sure, we traded for Kobe on draft night, he has been here longer we have seen him grow, fail and overcome. he is my current favorite player ...still. But if someone is offering Durant/Lebron (pipe-dream) YOU GD, right I make that trade because 17 means more to me than 6 or Kobe's 5.

I support Kobe think he deserves his money though i wish he took $15 or even $20 million, he looked for his best interest and I look out for the best of the franchise. As child of course I would not of wanted my child-hero traded. As a man I dont want kobe traded either but you sometimes have to make sacrifices for the greater good.

Even Kobe is not above the greater good of the Lakers, I am sorry.

But back on point there is no magic fix. I appreciate Melo more than most, who diwsmiss him as a chucker. If that is the path the Lakers choose I will not agree fully (much like Howard) but I understand they are going all in future be damned. I get it.

But how am I turn-coat when Kobe explored free-agency?
For just saying hypothetically I would trade Kobe for Lebron?

I bleed purple and gold. I admire Kobe's game. But agin he aint bigger than the Lakers. I and the franchise will still be here after he is gone ...

The last time he played (2 games ago) he was a 25-5-5 guy. You already cut his pay 20%---based on what?

[Koolaid_Man]

Man, look. We traded shaq. Sure, I was behind that if it needed to be done ... but how is that much different? If O'neal could be traded two seasons after the 3 peat so could Kobe. - Shaq cursed Dr, Buss out to his face on the court..he sealed his fate..pretty big difference to Kobe's situation... Sure, we traded for Kobe on draft night, he has been here longer we have seen him grow, fail and overcome. he is my current favorite player ...still. But if someone is offering Durant/Lebron (pipe-dream) YOU GD, right I make that trade because 17 means more to me than 6 or Kobe's 5.

Kobe - 5

Durant / Lebron - 2

But I will concede the point on your PIPE DREAM


I support Kobe think he deserves his money though i wish he took $15 or even $20 million, he looked for his best interest - no he accepted what they offered. and I look out for the best of the franchise. again he accepted what the franchise offered there was no negotiation. They came to him and he's not obliged to say give me 10 million less...that's not ratinale. As child of course I would not of wanted my child-hero traded. As a man I dont want kobe traded either but you sometimes have to make sacrifices for the greater good.

Even Kobe is not above the greater good of the Lakers, I am sorry. - While I agree I've also done the math according to Jerry Buss (before he passed) Kobe alone has generated 80 mill/yr in revenue alone for the past 12 yrs. that's close to 1 billion $$$ by a single player

But back on point there is no magic fix. I appreciate Melo more than most, who diwsmiss him as a chucker. If that is the path the Lakers choose I will not agree fully (much like Howard) but I understand they are going all in future be damned. I get it.

But how am I turn-coat when Kobe explored free-agency? - Kobe didn't explore shit...he made Buss get off his ass and act like somebody..he wasn't going anywhere....
For just saying hypothetically I would trade Kobe for Lebron?

I bleed purple and gold. I admire Kobe's game. But agin he aint bigger than the Lakers. I hate to be cynical and I understand the sentiment...but right now he is...A billion people in China would back me on this :lol I and the franchise will still be here after he is gone ...


^ See comments above

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^ See comments above

When Kool gets like this it's a thing of beauty. He's a man then, not some school yard teaser.

[DPG21920]

Kool is an idiot who not only doesn't understand the CBA but basketball in general. It's why he lost a bet of basketball knowledge against me.

[DPG21920]

The last time he played (2 games ago) he was a 25-5-5 guy. You already cut his pay 20%---based on what?

What kind of retarded argument is that? How about they cut his pay because they spent tons of money stacking the deck in his favor only to get bounced in the first round & have a losing
Record this year.

What kind of idiot cites one game to justify something?

[DPG21920]

Killa is right here. He's the only one on solid ground.

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What kind of retarded argument is that? How about they cut his pay because they spent tons of money stacking the deck in his favor only to get bounced in the first round & have a losing
Record this year.

What kind of idiot cites one game to justify something?

I'm not talking about 2 games ago this season you stoop. I'm talking about the 2 games he missed last season at the end. He was at 25/5/5, misses 2 games and he gets a 20% pay cut. Based on what?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

the MLE you referred to (which is around 5-6 million dollars, it usually equates to average nba salary), is available for teams that are over the salary cap, but below the luxury tax apron. this allows teams that are over the cap to have some sense of flexibility to improve their roster. however, the lakers are going to be under the cap at seasons end, and so they won't have access to the MLE. for teams that are not only above the cap but also above the luxury tax apron, they get access to the mini MLE (how the Heat signed Ray Allen to his contract, how the Lakers signed Kaman this past summer).

but a team that starts out below the cap does not get access to the MLE

I don't think the Lakers would even get the full 5mil MLE. I believe the Cap rules are that if a team is over the Luxury tax threshold for consecutive years, the year they fall under the Luxury tax threhold, they still are penalize with the 3 mil MLE plus they are excluded from the Bi annual exception.

Plus there are huge trade ramifications for being over the Tax Level for consecutive years. There was a reason Cuban shed all that salary a few years back. It wasn't all about just signing Howard or D Will.

[DPG21920]

I already told you what. They spent more money than anyone to stack the Kobe deck & he led them to barely making the playoffs. He then ushered in the most pathetic & embarrassing era in Laker history. He deserved more of a pay cut when it came to basketball reasons.

Lol pay cut. He's still the highest paid guy in the league you damn fool. On the heels of completely destroying the franchise reign of power & allure.

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I already told you what. They spent more money than anyone to stack the Kobe deck & he led them to barely making the playoffs. He then ushered in the most pathetic & embarrassing era in Laker history. He deserved more of a pay cut when it came to basketball reasons.

Lol pay cut. He's still the highest paid guy in the league you damn fool. On the heels of completely destroying the franchise reign of power & allure.

Please. You thought I was talking about this season. You're like DUNCAN,,,you're never wrong.

[Koolaid_Man]

I already told you what. They spent more money than anyone to stack the Kobe deck & he led them to barely making the playoffs. He then ushered in the most pathetic & embarrassing era in Laker history. He deserved more of a pay cut when it came to basketball reasons.

Lol pay cut. He's still the highest paid guy in the league you damn fool. On the heels of completely destroying the franchise reign of power & allure.

there's only one dam fool here and it's the short dude left standing on a street corner holding an empty bag with $500 hand written on the front

[Koolaid_Man]

When Kool gets like this it's a thing of beauty. He's a man then, not some school yard teaser.

why thank you sir....that type of sentiment when it evokes the jealousy and rage others makes me feel good...

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there's only one dam fool here and it's the short dude left standing on a street corner holding an empty bag with $500 hand written on the front

Poor Deeps. Not a red cent!

[DPG21920]

Please. You thought I was talking about this season. You're like DUNCAN,,,you're never wrong.

Now you're just sour grapes. I did think you were referencing the literal last game but that has no bearing on the "what" in the equation. You already know that though, so now you try to focus the issue on the inconsequential DPG was wrong portion knowing full well your point was upended.

Ipso-facto sour grapes.

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I did think you were referencing the literal last game .

Your capitulation is duly noted.

[DPG21920]

there's only one dam fool here and it's the short dude left standing on a street corner holding an empty bag with $500 hand written on the front

Don't get me started with you, Capri. The fact is, despite not making out with the cash, you tested your basketball IQ versus mine & lost for the world to see. That effectively ended any shot you had at being regarded as a knowledgeable poster. Then the never ending shit storm ensued. The hate, mockery & embarrassment that came your way due to the bet was palpable. Knowing how much you need this site in hindsight you would have paid to avoid what transpired. However, you saw the damage was done and even paying up wouldn't change what I've relegated you to. So now you kept the money.

Having seen that, and being driven crazy by that FACT, you went the only route you could. Troll. You aren't any good at it though & I effectively ended that as well with the continued fanning of the flame (see: Caprisun).

I've had you dead to rights from the beginning but with your low IQ you are just now realizing it.

[Koolaid_Man]

Don't get me started with you, Capri. The fact is, despite not making out with the cash, you tested your basketball IQ versus mine & lost for the world to see. That effectively ended any shot you had at being regarded as a knowledgeable poster. Then the never ending shit storm ensued. The hate, mockery & embarrassment that came your way due to the bet was palpable. Knowing how much you need this site in hindsight you would have paid to avoid what transpired. However, you saw the damage was done and even paying up wouldn't change what I've relegated you to. So now you kept the money.

Having seen that, and being driven crazy by that FACT, you went the only route you could. Troll. You aren't any good at it though & I effectively ended that as well with the continued fanning of the flame (see: Caprisun).

I've had you dead to rights from the beginning but with your low IQ you are just now realizing it.

that's a whole lot of hot air :lol.....if it makes you feel good shawty....believe it :lol

[DPG21920]

*drops mic*

[Killakobe81]

I already told you what. They spent more money than anyone to stack the Kobe deck & he led them to barely making the playoffs. He then ushered in the most pathetic & embarrassing era in Laker history. He deserved more of a pay cut when it came to basketball reasons.

Lol pay cut. He's still the highest paid guy in the league you damn fool. On the heels of completely destroying the franchise reign of power & allure.

Nah, can't go that far with you DPG ... Kobe blew his achilles trying to will us in. With howard, Pau and Nash crying injury Kobe gave all year until his Achilles blew. i can fault him some for our regular season struggles but Cant fault him for wanting his compensation ...I hoped he would take less. But nothing about his play speaks to why he would not expect top shelf compensation. Lakers paid it .. and even if it was partially out of loyalt,y his play was elite , just not prime. Meaning he should not make more than Lebron ... but outside of a select few he deserves top dog status.

OTH, I also dont buy they just gave him that contract, I am pretty sure his agent had hinted to it, in fact even KOBE hinted he would not take a dramatic cut ...so why would they hardball him? They gave him a fair deal based on his years of service and the hopes he had a quite a bit left.

I just dont get chasing that money with additional bad money. If the Kobe deal makes sense, throwing money at Melo or someone else and hoping we can pull another Pau deal ... is probably wishful thinking. Kobe is not in his prime anymore and who could Kobe carry and help carry him to a title if their first name is not Lebron or last name Durant?

[ambchang]

you're a got dam turn coat bastard....would you trade Magic after 5 rings for MJ....you got a lot to learn about life

But you would trade Worthy for Jordan.

[LkrFan]

TC played only 4 games so far. You cannot use the Knicks points allowed to show his efficiency.
I'm fully aware of the amount of games TC has played in this year. I brought the Knicks up to setup a point. Houston is giving up 102.2ppg this year. Last year my Lakers gave up 101ppg. Common denominator? Howard. Last year TC played in 66 games and the Knicks gave up only 95.7ppg. The Knicks would give up <97.7ppg if TC played more: no doubt in my mind.

So as I was saying, if healthy (again, a big if), TC is easily the best anchor we've had since Shaq, and he would be a major upgrade over MVPau defensively. Should he prove he can last 1.5+ years he'd be well worth it IMO.

[MeloHype]

"I have a dream that one day little black boys and girls will be holding hands with little white boys and girls ."- LeBron James

[AchillesHeel]

I'm fully aware of the amount of games TC has played in this year. I brought the Knicks up to setup a point. Houston is giving up 102.2ppg this year. Last year my Lakers gave up 101ppg. Common denominator? Howard. Last year TC played in 66 games and the Knicks gave up only 95.7ppg. The Knicks would give up <97.7ppg if TC played more: no doubt in my mind.

So as I was saying, if healthy (again, a big if), TC is easily the best anchor we've had since Shaq, and he would be a major upgrade over MVPau defensively. Should he prove he can last 1.5+ years he'd be well worth it IMO.

It's about the pace of the game you dumb fuck, Knicks play at the 29th slowest pace in the NBA, their defense as a result seems pretty good, right? But their offense is pure garbage, 25th in PPG? :lmao

Lakers had the 5th highest pace last season, it's the reason they allowed as many points per game. You look at the Orlando teams Dwight played on, they had the top 5 or top 10 defense EVERY YEAR he played there under SVG, their coach (Stan Van Gundy) actually had a working system and the team was built around Dwight almost to a perfection(like the Lebron Cavs, another great defensive team). Dwight had a top 3 defense from 09-11, and he led his team to the Finals as the top scorer(despite being a "limited" offensive player). People are trying to downplay Dwight like he was their ex-girlfriend, who ran off with the hotter,richer guy.
Tyson Chandler is overrated as fuck. A good defensive anchor no doubt, but not worth the money he's getting. The Dallas team that won the chip in 2011 had a top 10 defense, but you really think they wouldn't have been better with a Dwight HowarD?

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Kobe is not in his prime anymore and who could Kobe carry and help carry him to a title if their first name is not Lebron or last name Durant?

I'll buy James---after a fashion, but, "Durant?" Please.

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The Dallas team that won the chip in 2011 had a top 10 defense, but you really think they wouldn't have been better with a Dwight HowarD?

Maybe, but, if you switch out Chandler & Howard there they'd still be on my O'fer list.

[AchillesHeel]

I'll buy James---after a fashion, but, "Durant?" Please.

You don't want the most dominant scorer in the game, who's on pace for another 50/40/90 season while averaging 28.5 ppg?

Please.

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You don't want the most dominant scorer in the game, who's on pace for another 50/40/90 season while averaging 28.5 ppg?

Please.

They ain't what Killa asked, Heel.

[Buddy Mignon]

there's only one dam fool here and it's the short dude left standing on a street corner holding an empty bag with $500 hand written on the front



Heeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaw!!!

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[AchillesHeel]

Maybe, but, if you switch out Chandler & Howard there they'd still be on my O'fer list.

But instead, they handed you the sweep.

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But instead, they handed you the sweep.

In the case, Heel. You had to go and get it out of the case, Heel. And give it back, Heel.

[LkrFan]

It's about the pace of the game you dumb fuck, Knicks play at the 29th slowest pace in the NBA, their defense as a result seems pretty good, right? But their offense is pure garbage, 25th in PPG? :lmao

Lakers had the 5th highest pace last season, it's the reason they allowed as many points per game. You look at the Orlando teams Dwight played on, they had the top 5 or top 10 defense EVERY YEAR he played there under SVG, their coach (Stan Van Gundy) actually had a working system and the team was built around Dwight almost to a perfection(like the Lebron Cavs, another great defensive team). Dwight had a top 3 defense from 09-11, and he led his team to the Finals as the top scorer(despite being a "limited" offensive player). People are trying to downplay Dwight like he was their ex-girlfriend, who ran off with the hotter,richer guy.
Tyson Chandler is overrated as fuck. A good defensive anchor no doubt, but not worth the money he's getting. The Dallas team that won the chip in 2011 had a top 10 defense, but you really think they wouldn't have been better with a Dwight HowarD?
I know about pace you dumbass :lol. The Knicks are only about 5 FGAs away from leading the league (they have 83.2 FGAs as compared to 88.8 for Minny - the league leader). Major problem: they chuck it at only 43.3%.

TC anchored a Finals winning team that beat a stacked cHeat team. Yet he is overrated? OK. He is a good anchor when healthy and an upgrade over MVPau - and what Howard gave us last year.

The 2009 version of Howard never manifested himself in LA. That player no longer exists. Last year Lakers had two former DPOYs and still sucked ass defensively. Howard didn't, no, didn't want to fit, so he dogged it. TC is from Compton and I'm sure he's a Laker Fan at heart. He'll give us some of what he gave Dallas in 2011 - again, if healthy.

[AchillesHeel]

In the case, Heel. You had to go and get it out of the case, Heel. And give it back, Heel.

I'm starting to think that 6 affected you more than it did me, old man. While handing the trophy back was humiliating and heartbreaking. I'd rather be that close than get swept by my rivals in the first round, after losing Dr.Buss + losing one of the greatest players in my franchise history to one of the toughest injuries in sports(who gave his all and sacrificed his career just so the team could get swept without him even being on the floor). Dwight leaving after you begged him on your knees to stay even made it worse. 6 hit me as hard as any spurfan that night, but the season your franchise had to endure wasn't any prettier.

We're still in position to get back up on that stage and try again before Duncan's career comes to an end. Your Lakers are 1st round fodder at best right now.

[Buddy Mignon]

I'm starting to think that 6 affected you more than it did me, old man. While handing the trophy back was humiliating and heartbreaking. I'd rather be that close than get swept by my rivals in the first round, after losing Dr.Buss + losing one of the greatest players in my franchise history to one of the toughest injuries in sports(who gave his all and sacrificed his career just so the team could get swept without him even being on the floor). Dwight leaving after you begged him on your knees to stay even made it worse. 6 hit me as hard as any spurfan that night, but the season your franchise had to endure wasn't any prettier.

We're still in position to get back up on that stage and try again before Duncan's career comes to an end. Your Lakers are 1st round fodder at best right now.


You're lying. You've been swept before... most teams have. But no team has ever kissed the trophy and then forced to hand it over. You guys were already boarding the plane and TSA forced you to return something that didn't belong to you. That's like getting a phone call being told you won the lottery and you show up for your money and they say "oooops... we made a mistake... you didn't win shit... go home!!!" Its like the doctor saying you're having a baby... then 9 months later she only takes a shit.:lmao

[AchillesHeel]

You're lying. You've been swept before... most teams have. But no team has ever kissed the trophy and then forced to hand it over. You guys were already boarding the plane and TSA forced you to return something that didn't belong to you. That's like getting a phone call being told you won the lottery and you show up for your money and they say "oooops... we made a mistake... you didn't win shit... go home!!!" Its like the doctor saying you're having a baby... then 9 months later she only takes a shit.:lmao

That would be a blessing in disguise, tbh.

[Buddy Mignon]

That would be a blessing in disguise, tbh.

I agree with you there.

[Killakobe81]

I'm starting to think that 6 affected you more than it did me, old man. While handing the trophy back was humiliating and heartbreaking. I'd rather be that close than get swept by my rivals in the first round, after losing Dr.Buss + losing one of the greatest players in my franchise history to one of the toughest injuries in sports(who gave his all and sacrificed his career just so the team could get swept without him even being on the floor). Dwight leaving after you begged him on your knees to stay even made it worse. 6 hit me as hard as any spurfan that night, but the season your franchise had to endure wasn't any prettier.

We're still in position to get back up on that stage and try again before Duncan's career comes to an end. Your Lakers are 1st round fodder at best right now.

No shame in a WCF ...
I have said that many times on here.
But the "shame" trying to be heaped on here about our bloated payroll matters little to me ...what does winning with a lesser payroll or losing with a bloated one mean to the fanbase? Higher payroll usually means higher expectations but as thread said ...winning your last game is all that matters. Would a finals run even ending in defeat mean something? Yes, but very little.

for example i know for a fact that we beat the Spurs in 2008 heck we also beat you in 2004 but BOTh of THOSE seasons ended in defeat one to teh Pistons the other to the hated Celts.
.4 replays brings a smile to my face ...it's on of the best road closing playoff shots in NBA history but it loses some of it's luster when I remember there was no parade at the end ... same as Kobe's game winner vs. the Suns another great highlight but ultimately, empty.

So the deflecting and re-directing here just reminds/tells me of how much that loss hurt.
And deep down many Spur fans are worried that you will play the Utah role in Lebron's quest to 3 peat like MJ ...if you make it that far ...
There is doubt here when before Spurs touted that perfect 4-0 Finals record.
That is part of what "6" changed ... Spur fans felt that if they made the Finals they could reduce James like they did in 2007 ... I get it.
After 1984 (especially after getting swept by Moses in 1983) I wasnt sure if Earvin was truly Magic or "tragic " because the local scribes did not trust in my hero ... it created doubts for me.
Magic righted that ship and maybe if you are lucky timmy gets to do the same ... but you have your doubts. You ALL do ...

[AchillesHeel]

I know about pace you dumbass :lol. The Knicks are only about 5 FGAs away from leading the league (they have 83.2 FGAs as compared to 88.8 for Minny - the league leader). Major problem: they chuck it at only 43.3%.

TC anchored a Finals winning team that beat a stacked cHeat team. Yet he is overrated? OK. He is a good anchor when healthy and an upgrade over MVPau - and what Howard gave us last year.

The 2009 version of Howard never manifested himself in LA. That player no longer exists. Last year Lakers had two former DPOYs and still sucked ass defensively. Howard didn't, no, didn't want to fit, so he dogged it. TC is from Compton and I'm sure he's a Laker Fan at heart. He'll give us some of what he gave Dallas in 2011 - again, if healthy.

TC has been an efficient player and a good anchor, but he's not worth 15 mil under the new CBA. It's why Cubes let him go in the first place. He has done well in NY, and he even led the Knicks to a top 5-10 defense when MDA coached them for half the season in 11-12...But the cap would limit you from putting enough offense around him and Kobe next season...Shumpert is not a good offensive player, Kirby's already looking to be a point guard so you need an explosive scorer to complement that roster.

Melo/Kirby/Chandler would be a pretty decent big 3, but Kirby and Chandler alone would be 40 mil next season.

[AchillesHeel]

No shame in a WCF ...
I have said that many times on here.
But the "shame" trying to be heaped on here about our bloated payroll matters little to me ...what does winning with a lesser payroll or losing with a bloated one mean to the fanbase? Higher payroll usually means higher expectations but as thread said ...winning your last game is all that matters. Would a finals run even ending in defeat mean something? Yes, but very little.

for example i know for a fact that we beat the Spurs in 2008 heck we also beat you in 2004 but BOTh of THOSE seasons ended in defeat one to teh Pistons the other to the hated Celts.
.4 replays brings a smile to my face ...it's on of the best road closing playoff shots in NBA history but it loses some of it's luster when I remember there was no parade at the end ... same as Kobe's game winner vs. the Suns another great highlight but ultimately, empty.

So the deflecting and re-directing here just reminds/tells me of how much that loss hurt.
And deep down many Spur fans are worried that you will play the Utah role in Lebron's quest to 3 peat like MJ ...if you make it that far ...
There is doubt here when before Spurs touted that perfect 4-0 Finals record.
That is part of what "6" changed ... Spur fans felt that if they made the Finals they could reduce James like they did in 2007 ... I get it.
After 1984 (especially after getting swept by Moses in 1983) I wasnt sure if Earvin was truly Magic or "tragic " because the local scribes did not trust in my hero ... it created doubts for me.
Magic righted that ship and maybe if you are lucky timmy gets to do the same ... but you have your doubts. You ALL do ...

I'm not even thinking that far ahead until the playoffs roll around...After 6, the regular season games have felt meaningless to me. I just hope we make it to the PO's all healthy and ready for war. I'm just hoping that Tony and Manu make up for last year and that Pop would put out his 5 best players when a similar situation occurs.

[Thread]

TC has been an efficient player and a good anchor, but he's not worth 15 mil under the new CBA. It's why Cubes let him go in the first place. He has done well in NY, and he even led the Knicks to a top 5-10 defense when MDA coached them for half the season in 11-12...But the cap would limit you from putting enough offense around him and Kobe next season...Shumpert is not a good offensive player, Kirby's already looking to be a point guard so you need an explosive scorer to complement that roster.

Melo/Kirby/Chandler would be a pretty decent big 3, but Kirby and Chandler alone would be 40 mil next season.

We wouldn't need Melo. Shump & Chandler would suffice. But, why would they want Pau? Nobody has answered that question yet. I'll tell you why...they wouldn't. It's a red herring story concocted by centralized Media so assholes like us will do what we're doing right now....ruminating over it. I should have my fucking head examined for even typing this.

[LkrFan]

TC has been an efficient player and a good anchor, but he's not worth 15 mil under the new CBA. It's why Cubes let him go in the first place. He has done well in NY, and he even led the Knicks to a top 5-10 defense when MDA coached them for half the season in 11-12...But the cap would limit you from putting enough offense around him and Kobe next season...Shumpert is not a good offensive player, Kirby's already looking to be a point guard so you need an explosive scorer to complement that roster.

Melo/Kirby/Chandler would be a pretty decent big 3, but Kirby and Chandler alone would be 40 mil next season.Although you are moving goalposts, we agree. But I've said earlier, he would be a piece towards building for next year. I never said he'd get us over the top this year. I merely stated that he'd be an upgrade over MVPau as an anchor.

[Katherine Robinson]

Dale speaks the truth, many remain blind to it, but not the Robinson household. The media believes the Lakers will "reload" and the majority of onlookers are salivating on that and the positive or negative consequences to come from it.

[AchillesHeel]

We wouldn't need Melo. Shump & Chandler would suffice. But, why would they want Pau? Nobody has answered that question yet. I'll tell you why...they wouldn't. It's a red herring story concocted by centralized Media so assholes like us will do what we're doing right now....ruminating over it. I should have my fucking head examined for even typing this.

Knicks want to rebuild if Anthony leaves, they could dump JR's contract in the process and they could net some future picks in the process. Amare will be an expiring in 2015, so they can use him to gain more picks in a year as well.

Chandler will not want to be around a losing franchise either, I see them blowing it all up if the losing continues, no way will they be satisfied with being a lottery team and having 0 1st round picks to improve the roster with.

I'm seeing a potential Lakers-Wolves-Knicks deal.

[Thread]

^Kobe will rebah this season, pile points (tee, hee) and they'll exhaust the contracts and hope they can get out from under Nash thru some technicality. Then next year you bring in two players who will go to war with Kobe and you try it. Not Melo!

ADDENDUM:::frankly the approach that the Spurs employ. *It worked for them.

[AchillesHeel]

Although you are moving goalposts, we agree. But I've said earlier, he would be a piece towards building for next year. I never said he'd get us over the top this year. I merely stated that he'd be an upgrade over MVPau as an anchor.

I agree with that, but I'm talking TC in general. He's a big cap hit for a team that has another player making 24 mil. You need to fill the rest of your roster with 18-19 mil left in cap space. You can either sign a Carmelo Anthony and fill the rest of the roster out with guys on minimum deals, or you sign some solid, but not great guys to complement Kirby and Chandler.

It's just difficult financially. Chandler is a good player no doubt, but you can't build a contending roster with him and Kirby making 39-40 mil combined.

[DMC]

not if we trading for Tyson, shumpert etc ...

Just play this season out. No team could be expected to contend with no healthy PG's on the roster and playing a mid 30's SG at PG, who is coming off a blown achilles.
Tank. Not deliberately try to lose but it's time to rebuild ...
Kobe, Mitch, some Laker fans are delusional ...

Even the lakers have to rebuild sometime ...

If you're trading mid season you're likely tanking because new players will play like new players. You have crip up in the house, then you have who, crip 2.0 and crip 3.0?

If that's not tanking, there's no such thing.


Once you had Superman, now you'll have crip tonight.

[Killakobe81]

If you're trading mid season you're likely tanking because new players will play like new players. You have crip up in the house, then you have who, crip 2.0 and crip 3.0?

If that's not tanking, there's no such thing.


Once you had Superman, now you'll have crip tonight.

The real Superman started to die a slow death after 2000 Shaq was never better and it was downhill after ...
Howard should of claimed "hulk" not much skill, or brains just brute strength hopping around the court ...breaking rims with dunks and FT's tbh ...

[Killakobe81]

LOL Superman (reeves) is the definition of ...

Wait, Im not Eminem can't cross that line ...

[DMC]

The real Superman started to die a slow death after 2000 Shaq was never better and it was downhill after ...
Howard should of claimed "hulk" not much skill, or brains just brute strength hopping around the court ...breaking rims with dunks and FT's tbh ...

lol b2b2b Finals MVP was going "downhill" after his first.

Ok. I need to find some of that Bugs Bunny music I can play when I read your posts. It's comical.

[Killakobe81]

lol b2b2b Finals MVP was going "downhill" after his first.

Ok. I need to find some of that Bugs Bunny music I can play when I read your posts. It's comical.

Too bad as a Laker fan I had to watch 82 plus the playoffs ... not just his playoff and finals runs.
He got lazy then he got fat. Was he still dominate?! Sure. But 2000 was his peak ... do you know the definition of peak? if you reach the peak of something, DMC what other choice is there but to go down hill on the way down? Are you arguing he got better?

Saying someone is going downhill from their peak is not some "slam" it's just facts. MJ was at his peak when he first retired he was till great after. Same with Ali before his ban ...

[Thread]

The real Superman started to die a slow death after 2000 Shaq was never better and it was downhill after ...
Howard should of claimed "hulk" not much skill, or brains just brute strength hopping around the court ...breaking rims with dunks and FT's tbh ...

Colangelo convened that blue ribbon panel after the Philly Finals and that was the watershed moment. Nothing would be the same again for Daddy, or, any big man for that matter. Bynum never could get comfortable in the low post because "they" did not want them in there anymore.

It's what they did to Alcindor in college when they outlawed the jam. Just pettiness and vindictiveness.

[LkrFan]

I agree with that, but I'm talking TC in general. He's a big cap hit for a team that has another player making 24 mil. You need to fill the rest of your roster with 18-19 mil left in cap space. You can either sign a Carmelo Anthony and fill the rest of the roster out with guys on minimum deals, or you sign some solid, but not great guys to complement Kirby and Chandler.

It's just difficult financially. Chandler is a good player no doubt, but you can't build a contending roster with him and Kirby making 39-40 mil combined.I'm fully aware of the Cap ramifications. Although I appreciate all he's done for us as a player, it will be hard to field a championship roster with Kobe taking up ~39% of the Cap. Prime Kobe? Acceptable. Not now though due to his age, mileage, and recovery from his Achilles rupture - especially given the position he plays.

MK is a Cap guru so if the price is right, I expect a few deals right before the trade deadline (February ?) given that we have a ton of expiring deals, including Pau's albatross of a contract. Some team strapped for cash will cave and send us talent that they cannot afford via trade. However, if nothing happens by the deadline, this will be an interesting summer. I'm not looking forward to it tbh. Despite our $5B TWC deal, the CBA has changed the game. This is precisely why I advocated tanking in the first place.

[Bill_Brasky]

spurraider laid the pipe

[Rogue]

If TC is really transfer listed, then I don't see no reason why Cuban shouldn't make a trade for him, offering the Knicks whatever they wanna take from our squad outside of Dirk. Just trade Marion/Dalembert + picks & fillers and bring big daddy Tyson back to Dallas, we RE-STACKED!!!

[HI-FI]

I'm fully aware of the Cap ramifications. Although I appreciate all he's done for us as a player, it will be hard to field a championship roster with Kobe taking up ~39% of the Cap. Prime Kobe? Acceptable. Not now though due to his age, mileage, and recovery from his Achilles rupture - especially given the position he plays.

MK is a Cap guru so if the price is right, I expect a few deals right before the trade deadline (February ?) given that we have a ton of expiring deals, including Pau's albatross of a contract. Some team strapped for cash will cave and send us talent that they cannot afford via trade. However, if nothing happens by the deadline, this will be an interesting summer. I'm not looking forward to it tbh. Despite our $5B TWC deal, the CBA has changed the game. This is precisely why I advocated tanking in the first place.
according to your stillborn ass, Lakers tanked in 2005, which is fucking pathetic if true (which it's not). That means they would need to have tanked twice when Spurs have only tanked once, not even since the 9:lols. smh at LA even needing to tank, that's pathetic for them. How things have changed.

Least you acknowledge the new CBA is not going to make things easier for you, so props on that. Even Mitch was saying it's not going to be easier since the league wants there to be more competitive balance, which is long overdue.

You also have to wonder about that TWC deal. Sure it's great money, but who knows what the stipulations are on it, if Lakers are fielding joke teams that can't generate great ratings, TW might have a way out of the full deal. Something to consider.

[LkrFan]

according to your stillborn ass, Lakers tanked in 2005, which is fucking pathetic if true (which it's not). That means they would need to have tanked twice when Spurs have only tanked once, not even since the 9:lols. smh at LA even needing to tank, that's pathetic for them. How things have changed.

Least you acknowledge the new CBA is not going to make things easier for you, so props on that. Even Mitch was saying it's not going to be easier since the league wants there to be more competitive balance, which is long overdue.

You also have to wonder about that TWC deal. Sure it's great money, but who knows what the stipulations are on it, if Lakers are fielding joke teams that can't generate great ratings, TW might have a way out of the full deal. Something to consider.
:rollin :lmao :rollin

[Killakobe81]

lol b2b2b Finals MVP was going "downhill" after his first.

Ok. I need to find some of that Bugs Bunny music I can play when I read your posts. It's comical.

Too bad as a Laker fan I had to watch 82 plus the playoffs ... not just his playoff and finals runs.
He got lazy then he got fat. Was he still dominate?! Sure. But 2000 was his peak ... do you know the definition of peak? if you reach the peak of something, DMC what other choice is there but to go down hill on the way down? Are you arguing he got better?

Saying someone is going downhill from their peak is not some "slam" it's just facts. MJ was at his peak when he first retired he was till great after. Same with Ali before his ban ...you can still be great but on the downside of your peak ...

[DMC]

Too bad as a Laker fan I had to watch 82 plus the playoffs ... not just his playoff and finals runs.
He got lazy then he got fat. Was he still dominate?! Sure. But 2000 was his peak ... do you know the definition of peak? if you reach the peak of something, DMC what other choice is there but to go down hill on the way down? Are you arguing he got better?

Saying someone is going downhill from their peak is not some "slam" it's just facts. MJ was at his peak when he first retired he was till great after. Same with Ali before his ban ...you can still be great but on the downside of your peak ...



Season
Age
Tm
Lg
Pos
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


1992-93 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/1993/) ★
20
ORL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/1993.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1993.html)
C
81
81
37.9
9.0
16.1
.562
0.0
0.0
.000
9.0
16.1
.563
5.3
8.9
.592
4.2
9.6
13.9
1.9
0.7
3.5
3.8
4.0
23.4


1993-94 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/1994/) ★
21
ORL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/1994.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1994.html)
C
81
81
39.8
11.8
19.6
.599
0.0
0.0
.000
11.8
19.6
.600
5.8
10.5
.554
4.7
8.5
13.2
2.4
0.9
2.9
2.7
3.5
29.3


1994-95 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/1995/) ★
22
ORL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/1995.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1995.html)
C
79
79
37.0
11.8
20.2
.583
0.0
0.1
.000
11.8
20.1
.585
5.8
10.8
.533
4.2
7.3
11.4
2.7
0.9
2.4
2.6
3.3
29.3



1995-96 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/1996/) ★
23
ORL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/1996.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1996.html)
C
54
52
36.0
11.0
19.1
.573
0.0
0.0
.500
10.9
19.1
.573
4.6
9.5
.487
3.4
7.7
11.0
2.9
0.6
2.1
2.9
3.6
26.6


1996-97 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/1997/) ★
24
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1997.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1997.html)
C
51
51
38.1
10.8
19.4
.557
0.0
0.1
.000
10.8
19.4
.559
4.5
9.4
.484
3.8
8.7
12.5
3.1
0.9
2.9
2.9
3.5
26.2


1997-98 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/1998/) ★
25
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1998.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html)
C
60
57
36.3
11.2
19.1
.584
0.0
0.0

11.2
19.1
.584
6.0
11.4
.527
3.5
7.9
11.4
2.4
0.7
2.4
2.9
3.2
28.3


1998-99 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/1999/)
26
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1999.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1999.html)
C
49
49
34.8
10.4
18.1
.576
0.0
0.0
.000
10.4
18.0
.577
5.5
10.2
.540
3.8
6.9
10.7
2.3
0.7
1.7
2.5
3.2
26.3


1999-00 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/2000/) ★
27
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2000.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2000.html)
C
79
79
40.0
12.1
21.1
.574
0.0
0.0
.000
12.1
21.1
.575
5.5
10.4
.524
4.3
9.4
13.6
3.8
0.5
3.0
2.8
3.2
29.7


2000-01 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/2001/) ★
28
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2001.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2001.html)
C
74
74
39.5
11.0
19.2
.572
0.0
0.0
.000
11.0
19.2
.573
6.7
13.1
.513
3.9
8.8
12.7
3.7
0.6
2.8
2.9
3.5
28.7



2001-02 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/2002/) ★
29
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2002.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002.html)
C
67
66
36.1
10.6
18.3
.579
0.0
0.0
.000
10.6
18.3
.580
5.9
10.7
.555
3.5
7.2
10.7
3.0
0.6
2.0
2.6
3.0
27.2


2002-03 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/2003/) ★
30
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2003.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003.html)
C
67
66
37.8
10.4
18.1
.574
0.0
0.0

10.4
18.1
.574
6.7
10.8
.622
3.9
7.2
11.1
3.1
0.6
2.4
2.9
3.4
27.5


2003-04 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/2004/) ★
31
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2004.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2004.html)
C
67
67
36.8
8.3
14.1
.584
0.0
0.0

8.3
14.1
.584
4.9
10.1
.490
3.7
7.8
11.5
2.9
0.5
2.5
2.9
3.4
21.5


2004-05 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/2005/) ★
32
MIA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2005.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2005.html)
C
73
73
34.1
9.0
15.0
.601
0.0
0.0

9.0
15.0
.601
4.8
10.5
.461
3.5
6.9
10.4
2.7
0.5
2.3
2.8
3.6
22.9


2005-06 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/2006/) ★
33
MIA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2006.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006.html)
C
59
58
30.6
8.1
13.6
.600
0.0
0.0

8.1
13.6
.600
3.7
8.0
.469
2.9
6.3
9.2
1.9
0.4
1.8
2.8
3.9
20.0


2006-07 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/2007/) ★
34
MIA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2007.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html)
C
40
39
28.4
7.1
12.0
.591
0.0
0.0

7.1
12.0
.591
3.1
7.4
.422
2.4
5.0
7.4
2.0
0.2
1.4
2.4
3.5
17.3


2007-08 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/gamelog/2008/)
35
TOT
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008.html)
C
61
61
28.7
5.4
9.1
.593
0.0
0.0

5.4
9.1
.593
2.8
5.5
.503
2.7
6.4
9.1
1.5
0.5
1.4
3.0
3.7
13.6




So where do you see this peak you mentioned? 29ppg vs 27ppg?