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Avante

12-16-2013, 07:48 PM

Let's see....

Tied the rookie td record.

Now holds the ...most wins in their first two seasons.....record.

What's next for this stud, how about...first Seattle Seahawks Superbowl win?

Anyone ...still...not getting this? Where is RGIII, oh yeah....ass on the bench! Where is goofy looking Andrew Luck, how many INTS has he thrown?

We need more Russell Wilson threads here.

Would you believe the Seahawks first solid running back came out of Miami of Ohio as a QB? Sherman Smith their first rushing leader, see ya learned something:hat

I'm putting Marshawn Lynch ahead of.....Sheun Alexander, Chris Warren and Curt Warner as the best Seahawk back ever. A slow white guy their best receiver, hell the guy was even cut by the Houston Oilers....Steve Largent. Imagine of Wilson had him to throw to.

KoolAid Mans Brother

12-16-2013, 08:14 PM

:lmao Old Faggot continues his Russel Chimpson obsession
:lmao 11th Thread made with Russel Chimpson's name in the thread title

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206215

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206294

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206846

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207636

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212359

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214175

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222101

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222700

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225801

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224532

DUNCANownsKOBE

12-16-2013, 08:15 PM

:lmao KoolAid Man's bro shitting on Avante per the usual

dirk4mvp

12-16-2013, 08:15 PM

Dementia must be awful to live with.

Avante

12-16-2013, 08:17 PM

DUNCANownsKOBE

12-16-2013, 08:18 PM

Funny how nobody is arguing about this anymore isn't it?

Kinda like how you're not even trying to argue that you're a betting expert anymore :lmao

Avante

12-16-2013, 08:18 PM

Dementia must be awful to live with.

I'd think stupidity would be worst.

Avante

12-16-2013, 08:19 PM

Kinda like how you're not even trying to argue that you're a betting expert anymore :lmao

I've been a betting expert for about the last 30 years. What do you want to know? It's all about..."spots"...these teams are in. We saw that yesterday with the old.....good teams coming off a loss.

KoolAid Mans Brother

12-16-2013, 08:20 PM

Funny how nobody is arguing about this anymore isn't it?

:lmaoNo, what's funny is your betting record and your obsession with a QB who has the luxury of playing on the deepest team in the league and will still inevitably fail in the playoffs

DUNCANownsKOBE

12-16-2013, 08:20 PM

I've been a betting expert for about the last 30 years. What do you want to know?

Post every game you've bet money on each week this year with the amount you've bet on each game.

Can't wait to see the excuse for why you can't do this :lol

KoolAid Mans Brother

12-16-2013, 08:21 PM

I've been a betting expert for about the last 30 years.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Avante

12-16-2013, 08:21 PM

:lmaoNo, what's funny is your betting record and your obsession with a QB who has the luxury of playing on the deepest team in the league and will still inevitably fail in the playoffs

I'm doing just fine, it will be a very merry Christmas.

So you see who beating Seattle..in...Seattle?

Avante

12-16-2013, 08:24 PM

Post every game you've bet money on each week this year with the amount you've bet on each game.

Can't wait to see the excuse for why you can't do this :lol

Do you really think I'm (or anyone) is going to take the time to do that? Dude, you really this far gone?

Avante

12-16-2013, 08:25 PM

Notice how nobody wants to talk about Russell Wilson anymore, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KoolAid Mans Brother

12-16-2013, 08:26 PM

Do you really think I'm (or anyone) is going to take the time to do that? Dude, you really this far gone?

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/old2_zpsf8dbf1cf.jpg

Avante

12-16-2013, 08:27 PM

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/old2_zpsf8dbf1cf.jpg

translation

I can't say anything bad about Russell Wilson, bummer!

This is fun:lobt:

dirk4mvp

12-16-2013, 08:29 PM

I'd think stupidity would be worst.

How bad is your eroding brain condition? I'm legitimately concerned. Is it leading to poor eating habits?

Avante

12-16-2013, 08:37 PM

How bad is your eroding brain condition? I'm legitimately concerned. Is it leading to poor eating habits?

I;m not the one following others around acting like a little punk. You really this fucked?

DUNCANownsKOBE

12-16-2013, 09:22 PM

Do you really think I'm (or anyone) is going to take the time to do that? Dude, you really this far gone?

I just did you little pussy.

johnsmith

12-16-2013, 09:23 PM

Honestly avante, do you find it sort of redundant to post 12 threads on the same subject?

N0 LyF3 ScRuB

12-16-2013, 09:39 PM

:lmaoNo, what's funny is your betting record and your obsession with a QB who has the luxury of playing on the deepest team in the league and will still inevitably fail in the playoffs

truth bombs...

cam will pick apart the D in Seattle, tbh

Clipper Nation

12-16-2013, 10:06 PM

I've been a betting expert for about the last 30 years.

Current Avante betting tracker: 7-12, down $2,250 overall

DJR210

12-16-2013, 10:59 PM

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/old2_zpsf8dbf1cf.jpg

LMAO

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/avante_zps62d1de99.jpg

dirk4mvp

12-17-2013, 12:09 AM

I;m not the one following others around acting like a little punk. You really this fucked?

I'm posting in a subforum I frequent. Sucks tbh that your brain is failing you this bad you fat ol fuck.

Avante

12-17-2013, 01:03 AM

I just did you little pussy.

No not really.

Avante

12-17-2013, 01:04 AM

I'm posting in a subforum I frequent. Sucks tbh that your brain is failing you this bad you fat ol fuck.

Why do you follow others around?

Avante

12-17-2013, 01:05 AM

Honestly avante, do you find it sort of redundant to post 12 threads on the same subject?

Sure do, now what?

dirk4mvp

12-17-2013, 01:15 AM

Why do you follow others around?

Why do you feel the need to constantly lie on the internet?

Avante

12-17-2013, 01:19 AM

Why do you feel the need to constantly lie on the internet?

Who needs to lie when nobody really knows anyone?

dirk4mvp

12-17-2013, 01:28 AM

I know Mason tbh. He's always bitching about his dad's knack for losing money and for working in a cheese factory.

Avante

12-17-2013, 01:33 AM

I know Mason tbh. He's always bitching about his dad's knack for losing money and for working in a cheese factory.

So tell me slugger is Mason 5-11 145 or 5-6 165? See how stupid that lameass shit is?

dirk4mvp

12-17-2013, 01:38 AM

Avante

12-17-2013, 01:44 AM

Going by how poor your judgement on things are (sports knowledge not involving regurgitating names and stats from the internet and magazine and claiming you being 280 lbs isn't fat even though you've probably seen yourself in a mirror at some point in time), I don't even believe you know how tall your disappointed son is.

Why act like a total dumbass amigo?

Grew up watching Jim Brown and the AFL. I've experienced/seen what I talk about. The internet does me no good at all. What can it tell me about Bob Paremore? I know....who? Well while at Florida A&M Bullet Bob Hayes was a running back, his running mate and felllow 4x1 member was Bob Paremore. He'd get drafted by the then St.Louis Cardinals.

Do you really think anyone not familiar with that point is time goes looking for ....Bob Paremore...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DUNCANownsKOBE

12-17-2013, 07:22 AM

So tell me slugger is Mason 5-11 145 or 5-6 165? See how stupid that lameass shit is?

Given your portly physique, I'm guessing he's 5-6 195. The able never falls far from the tree.

DJR210

12-17-2013, 08:47 AM

Who needs to lie when nobody really knows anyone? You were pretty truthful about what you did to those preteens in Olongopo.

Raven

12-17-2013, 10:02 AM

now he pretends like he wasn't an rgknee homo when it was cool..

Bill_Brasky

12-17-2013, 10:38 AM

Given your portly physique, I'm guessing he's 5-6 195. The able never falls far from the tree.

kids probably never heard of an apple.

AchillesHeel

12-17-2013, 12:09 PM

kids probably never heard of an apple.

:lol

Avante

12-17-2013, 09:14 PM

Just think the kid has done all he's done without that stud receiver.

Clipper Nation

12-17-2013, 09:35 PM

Just think the kid has done all he's done without that stud receiver.

Just think, you're an :lolld Fagg:lolt....

Avante

12-17-2013, 09:44 PM

Just think, you're an :lolld Fagg:lolt....

translation

So tell me Avante, why you so high on Russell Wilson?

No problem amigo.

Wilson is a black athlete with brains, that is a deadly combo.

Clipper Nation

12-17-2013, 09:58 PM

translation

So tell me Avante, why you so high on Russell Wilson?

No problem amigo.

Wilson is a black athlete with brains, that is a deadly combo.

Current Avante betting tracker: 7-12, down $3,240 overall

Avante

12-17-2013, 11:04 PM

Botton line

Nobody is talking up Andrew Luck and RGIII anymore, what happened?

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

J.T.

12-18-2013, 12:51 AM

Botton line

Nobody is talking up Andrew Luck and RGIII anymore, what happened?

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andrew Luck on the Seahawks would be having a better season than Peyton Manning right now. I think it's really funny how nobody would know Russell Wilson's name if he played for the Raiders or Jaguars, yet you're probably posting his stat line on your refrigerator door every week. Probably have a chart with gold stars for every touchdown too.

Avante

12-18-2013, 12:59 AM

Andrew Luck on the Seahawks would be having a better season than Peyton Manning right now. I think it's really funny how nobody would know Russell Wilson's name if he played for the Raiders or Jaguars, yet you're probably posting his stat line on your refrigerator door every week. Probably have a chart with gold stars for every touchdown too.

Dude. only losers play that sort of lameass bullshit. If Usain Bolt wasn't 6-5 and from Jamaica.......and.....come on guy it is what it is...ok? If Trent Richardson had 4.3 speed instead of 4.65 speed................see how stupid that is.

Russell Wilson is going to star regardless of who he played for, just not as soon. He has done what he's done without that stud receiver.

You honestly don't see it with Wilson, well everyone else does as you've been hearing......right?

AchillesHeel

12-18-2013, 03:03 AM

Current Avante betting tracker: 7-12, down $3,240 overall

J.T.

12-18-2013, 09:49 PM

Dude. only losers play that sort of lameass bullshit. If Usain Bolt wasn't 6-5 and from Jamaica.......and.....come on guy it is what it is...ok? If Trent Richardson had 4.3 speed instead of 4.65 speed................see how stupid that is.

Russell Wilson is going to star regardless of who he played for, just not as soon. He has done what he's done without that stud receiver.

You honestly don't see it with Wilson, well everyone else does as you've been hearing......right?

I know that Russell Wilson on the Jaguars wouldn't be a playoff team. I know that without Andrew Luck the Colts would be about as bad as the Texans are right now yet with him they're a division winner and still alive for all four of the top playoff seeds in their conference in Week 16. They win the two seed as simple as them and Baltimore both winning out. That's how good Andrew Luck is, taking a shitty Colts team to a division win and possible first round bye.

When you talk about the Seahawks, you never hear anyone say it's all because of Wilson. It's also about Lynch and that offensive line, Sherman, Thomas and that defense. Plug any third tier QB like Joe Flacco or Carson Palmer into that team and they still win just as many games. If the Seahawks win the Super Bowl and teams start trying to sign off every free agent they have, watch how quickly Wilson's production adjusts to the overall talent of his roster. I promise you it will happen. I'm sure Russell Wilson is a pretty cool dude to smoke pot and play Madden with but he's not the beat to his team's drum the way Andrew Luck is.

Spur-Addict

12-19-2013, 10:29 AM

This nigga just said the "Offensive Line" :lmao

spurraider21

12-19-2013, 12:38 PM

I know that Russell Wilson on the Jaguars wouldn't be a playoff team. I know that without Andrew Luck the Colts would be about as bad as the Texans are right now yet with him they're a division winner and still alive for all four of the top playoff seeds in their conference in Week 16. They win the two seed as simple as them and Baltimore both winning out. That's how good Andrew Luck is, taking a shitty Colts team to a division win and possible first round bye.

When you talk about the Seahawks, you never hear anyone say it's all because of Wilson. It's also about Lynch and that offensive line, Sherman, Thomas and that defense. Plug any third tier QB like Joe Flacco or Carson Palmer into that team and they still win just as many games. If the Seahawks win the Super Bowl and teams start trying to sign off every free agent they have, watch how quickly Wilson's production adjusts to the overall talent of his roster. I promise you it will happen. I'm sure Russell Wilson is a pretty cool dude to smoke pot and play Madden with but he's not the beat to his team's drum the way Andrew Luck is.
If you remove Russell Wilson's rushing stats, the Seahawks aren't even in the top 20 among rushing teams (yards/game). The amazing Lynch is averaging 4.2 ypc. When we saw the Rams game, they almost lost because they couldn't block jack shit and Quinn/Long were in the backfield practically before the ball was. At some point you need to acknowledge that you are overstating the ability of their O-Line and understating the role Wilson has on their offense.

They are the #2 scoring offense in the NFL only to Denver. I'll grant you that they benefit from the defense giving them short fields, but you don't see Kansas City averaging over 28 ppg despite having a RB even better than Lynch and a better offensive line, do you?

I'm not here to tell you that Wilson is a top 5 qb, or that he's necessarily better than Luck, but to ignore Wilson's affect on the team is just turning a blind eye to the obvious. Tbh have you actually watched Seahawks games much at all this year?

Spur-Addict

12-19-2013, 12:42 PM

If you remove Russell Wilson's rushing stats, the Seahawks aren't even in the top 20 among rushing teams (yards/game). The amazing Lynch is averaging 4.2 ypc. When we saw the Rams game, they almost lost because they couldn't block jack shit and Quinn/Long were in the backfield practically before the ball was. At some point you need to acknowledge that you are overstating the ability of their O-Line and understating the role Wilson has on their offense.

They are the #2 scoring offense in the NFL only to Denver. I'll grant you that they benefit from the defense giving them short fields, but you don't see Kansas City averaging over 28 ppg despite having a RB even better than Lynch and a better offensive line, do you?

I'm not here to tell you that Wilson is a top 5 qb, or that he's necessarily better than Luck, but to ignore Wilson's affect on the team is just turning a blind eye to the obvious. Tbh have you actually watched Seahawks games much at all this year?

Where's det Banderas gif??

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johnsmith

12-27-2013, 10:38 AM

Just thought I'd remind everyone where avante's head is likely at.

MeloHype

02-04-2014, 09:47 PM

http://i.imgur.com/ezUt2s7.jpg

Clipper Nation

02-02-2015, 09:55 PM

What's next for this stud, how about...first Seattle Seahawks Superbowl win?

How about...one of the biggest chokes in sports history?

Avante

02-02-2015, 10:01 PM

How about...one of the biggest chokes in sports history?

Tell that to...

Dan Marino
Joe Namath
Jim Kelly
Dan Fouts
Fran Tarkenton
Warren Moon
Andrew Luck
Len Dawson
Johnny Unitas
Philip Rivers
Tony Romo
Sonny Jurgenson
Donovan McNabb
Randall Cunningham
Drew Brees

...ok?

Clipper Nation

02-02-2015, 10:03 PM

Tell that to...

Dan Marino
Joe Namath
Jim Kelly
Dan Fouts
Fran Tarkenton
Warren Moon
Andrew Luck
Len Dawson
Johnny Unitas
Philip Rivers
Tony Romo
Sonny Jurgenson
Donovan McNabb
Randall Cunningham
Drew Brees

...ok?

None of those players threw a Super Bowl-losing interception on the goal line.

Avante

02-02-2015, 10:06 PM

None of those players threw a Super Bowl-losing interception on the goal line.

And in just two seasons RW is already more successful in SB's than any of them.

Damn you're dumb, wow~~~~~~

Pelicans78

02-02-2015, 10:09 PM

And in just two seasons RW is already more successful in SB's than any of them.

Damn you're dumb, wow~~~~~~

How's he more successful than Brees who won a Super Bowl MVP unlike RW. Brees was nearly perfect in his Super Bowl run. 8 TDs, 0 INTs.

Avante

02-02-2015, 10:16 PM

How's he more successful than Brees who won a Super Bowl MVP unlike RW. Brees was nearly perfect in his Super Bowl run. 8 TDs, 0 INTs.

How many SB's has Brees played in?

Clipper Nation

02-02-2015, 10:17 PM

And in just two seasons RW is already more successful in SB's than any of them.

Damn you're dumb, wow~~~~~~

You could put any of those players you listed in Struggle's place and none of them would have thrown that pick.

Pelicans78

02-02-2015, 10:21 PM

How many SB's has Brees played in?

That doesn't mean shit. How many number one defenses has he played for? Brees had one of the all-time great playoff performances in 2011 in San Francisco when he threw for 460 yards and 4 TDs against the best defense in the league yet his defense blew the game. If the defense held one time, Saints would have blasted the Giants in the NFC Title Game at home and made another Super Bowl trip. How is that Brees fault?

Pelicans78

02-02-2015, 10:21 PM

How many SB's has Brees played in?

How many Super Bowl MVPs has RW won?

Avante

02-02-2015, 10:21 PM

You could put any of those players you listed in Struggle's place and none of them would have thrown that pick.

Go look at all their career's after three seasons and compare them to RWs. Nobody has had a better first three seasons.

Hell, in his second season he won more SB's than all of the Chargers QB's...COMBINED, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Avante

02-02-2015, 10:24 PM

How many Super Bowl MVPs has RW won?

And if you asked Brees...give the MVP award back and we'll put you in another Superbowl, what do you think he would have said? And how many years had Brees been in the league before his SB win?

Pelicans78

02-02-2015, 10:26 PM

And if you asked Brees...give the MVP award back and we'll put you in another Superbowl, what do you think he would have said? And how many years had Brees been in the league before his SB win?

Doesn't matter. He has one ring just like RW, but a Super Bowl MVP and more accomplished passing numbers. So he's better.

Avante

02-02-2015, 10:29 PM

That doesn't mean shit. How many number one defenses has he played for? Brees had one of the all-time great playoff performances in 2011 in San Francisco when he threw for 460 yards and 4 TDs against the best defense in the league yet his defense blew the game. If the defense held one time, Saints would have blasted the Giants in the NFC Title Game at home and made another Super Bowl trip. How is that Brees fault?

And if RW hands off to Lynch he has two SB wins in far less games.

And it's all about playing for Championships, RW has played in two in just three seasons. You can try and slice n' dice it anyway ya want, what RW has done with his lack of experience is far more impressive than what Brees has done, when it comes to Championships.

Pelicans78

02-02-2015, 10:30 PM

Seriously Avante, RW played a horrible game at home against a horrible defense yet you give him credit when he wins the game while Brees goes on the road and lights up the best defense in the league and yet its his fault he doesn't make another Super Bowl. Nonsense.

Seriously, no excuse to put RW in any list with a first ballot HoF like Brees. Get that shit out of here.

Clipper Nation

02-02-2015, 10:32 PM

Go look at all their career's after three seasons and compare them to RWs. Nobody has had a better first three seasons.

Hell, in his second season he won more SB's than all of the Chargers QB's...COMBINED, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not a single one of the Chargers' QB's would have thrown that pick. Not even Leaf, Moses Moreno, or Billy Joe Overthrow would have thrown that pick.

Pelicans78

02-02-2015, 10:32 PM

And if RW hands off to Lynch he has two SB wins in far less games.

And it's all about playing for Championships, RW has played in two in just three seasons. You can try and slice n' dice it anyway ya want, what RW has done with his lack of experience is far more impressive than what Brees has done, when it comes to Championships.

Its not far more impressive. That's stupid since he doesn't have the same responsibility as Brees. Brees has had a HoF career. RW hasn't.

BTW, RW threw the pick to lose the game which is far different from what happened to Brees when he lost at San Fran.

Avante

02-02-2015, 10:32 PM

Doesn't matter. He has one ring just like RW, but a Super Bowl MVP and more accomplished passing numbers. So he's better.

Do this...

Compare what Brees did in his first three seasons vs what RW has done, ok? Tell me what you see.

Avante

02-02-2015, 10:33 PM

Its not far more impressive. That's stupid since he doesn't have the same responsibility as Brees. Brees has had a HoF career. RW hasn't.

BTW, RW threw the pick to lose the game which is far different from what happened to Brees when he lost at San Fran.

Whoa!!!!!!!

All we can compare is their first three seasons, ok? That's how you do this.

Pelicans78

02-02-2015, 10:34 PM

Do this...

Compare what Brees did in his first three seasons vs what RW has done, ok? Tell me what you see.

That doesn't matter. That doesn't define a whole career. RW has a long way to go before he becomes a first ballot HoF where Brees is now. And just imagine where Brees's overall numbers will be when he retires. Rings doesn't define everything. That means Trent Dilfer is more successful than Fouts, Marino, etc.

Pelicans78

02-02-2015, 10:35 PM

Whoa!!!!!!!

All we can compare is their first three seasons, ok? That's how you do this.

And RW still threw a game-ending pick to lose a Super Bowl on the one yard line. Big stain on his first 3 seasons despite playing with Lynch and the number one defense in the league.

Avante

02-02-2015, 10:39 PM

And RW still threw a game-ending pick to lose a Super Bowl on the one yard line. Big stain on his first 3 seasons despite playing with Lynch and the number one defense in the league.

And in his first three seasons Brees threw more INT's than TD's hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

Go ahead take a look at just how bad Bress looks in his first three seasons compared to RW. Not even in the same time zone.

spurraider21

02-02-2015, 10:41 PM

im a pretty big wilson fan, and even i can't get behind Avante on his Wilson takes

Clipper Nation

02-02-2015, 10:45 PM

Replace Brees on the '09 Saints with Struggle and they miss the playoffs.

Avante

02-02-2015, 10:49 PM

im a pretty big wilson fan, and even i can't get behind Avante on his Wilson takes

I simply go with reality, Wilson is just a...THIRD..year QB. No...THIRD...year QB has ever done it better. You don't compare a guy with only three seasons vs one with 10 or more. You compare them both at their three year careers.

Nobody has done more after three.

Avante

02-02-2015, 10:51 PM

Replace Brees on the '09 Saints with Struggle and they miss the playoffs.

Put Brees on any team after just three seasons and they suck. He sucked!

Clipper Nation

02-02-2015, 10:53 PM

Put Brees on any team after just three seasons and they suck. He sucked!

Put third-year Brees on the current Seahawks and not only do they still win last year, they also don't lose this year.

Avante

02-02-2015, 10:59 PM

Put third-year Brees on the current Seahawks and not only do they still win last year, they also don't lose this year.

Why not actually take just a few minutes and educate yourself ok stupid? Don't confuse the recent Drew Brees to the young one with just three years of NFL experience, that was a whole other deal. But being a dummy you don't know this.

Dude, please stop trying to talk abouit things you know absolutely nothing about, ok? You do it constantly.

Avante

02-02-2015, 11:22 PM

Sure see a lot of midgets running their mouth, what I don't see is anyone dealing with context/perspective.

I'll say it again and this is a challenge.

What QB had a better first three seasons than RW?

You won't find one. How about just a tad bit of perspective here, ok?

Pelicans78

02-02-2015, 11:26 PM

Avante

02-02-2015, 11:39 PM

What Marino did in his first three seasons is way more impressive.

No way the 1984 Dolphins make the Super Bowl or the 1985 AFC Title game with RW as their QB. Its not happening. Not good enough to carry those defenses.

And the 2013 Seahawks get curb stomped by the 1984 Niners.

Trust me, none of those 80's teams are beating any decent team today, ok? Too small, too weak and too slow, ok?

See, it takes Dan Marino...cool!

He started less games, he didn't win as many, he had an infrerior comp %, he had an inferior td/int ratio, he had an inferior passEr rating, than RW. Go ahead...Google it. And he lost his SB.

How many QB's stepped right in and...playoffs! Superbowl win! Superbowl....and never missed a game. While setting records and doing things never done before,...well?

I noticed ya dropped trying to compare Brees's first three seasons, not even in the same state.

Aztecfan03

02-02-2015, 11:40 PM

Avante

02-02-2015, 11:42 PM

the loser of the super bowl is a loser all the same.

Some win one and lose one, while tons never even play in one.

NFO

02-03-2015, 12:19 PM

And playing in a SB, even winning one does not make you a great QB, whether 3 years in or 10.

AKA Dilfer, B. Johnson. Usually those types of teams have some serious limitations, but overcome those limitations with other factors. In those such cases the defenses carried thos teams to SB wins or even just getting there. That appears to be the case for RW as well.

angrydude

02-03-2015, 01:45 PM

SupremeGuy

02-03-2015, 01:51 PM

Avante trolling the fuck out of everyone in this thread, tbh. :lol

Avante

02-03-2015, 02:12 PM

Wilson is going to be out of the league in probably about 4 seasons. He's a terrible QB. All he can do is throw deep 50-50 balls and run around some. When the Seahawks are forced to rely on him to win--which they will be after they pay him--they are going to suck and he's going to be out of a job.

There is no QB in the league in the RW era who has had more 4th quarter td winning drives than he's had, go ahead Google it.

Russell Wilson is a top 10 QB right now, by the end of this decade he will be among the top 4 in the league. Bank it. just like me telling everyone he'd be special. Will he ever be in any discussion with Montana. Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Johnny U, Otto...nope!

Leaves the college game has the all time passing leader, in his rookie season..rookie td record/playoffs. In his second season...SUPERBOWL CHAMP. In his third season, one foot from winning another Superbowl. Who else has ever done this, yep...nobody!!!!!!!!!

Once upon a time it was the fullback who was your stud runner, Jim Brown was a fullback, Jim Taylor a fullback. What is a fullback today if we even see one? There was a time when a TE was just another lineman who caught an occasional pass. Enter John Mackey and then Kellon Winslow*** took it to an even higher level. Russell Wilson is the first of the great run/pass QB's, that the NCAA is full of. Who has won the last three Heismans, yep...running QB's&&. This stupid.....ya gotta throw the ball all over the place is how dumb fucks talk, hell no ya don't. And RW is proving that. He is where the league is heading, watch and see. We are seeing more and more black QB's with some wheels playing for top schools, now think.

*** no it wasn't Tony Gonzalez that changed the position, it was Winslow.

&& compare Winston to Peyton/Brady when it comes to mobility.

Clipper Nation

02-03-2015, 02:35 PM

There is no QB in the league in the RW era who has had more 4th quarter td winning drives than he's had, go ahead Google it.

With how stacked Struggle's supporting cast is, the fact that he needs so many late touchdown drives to win is telling. Give a real elite QB that supporting cast and the majority of fourth quarters would be garbage time.

Russell Wilson is a top 10 QB right now, by the end of this decade he will be among the top 4 in the league.
:lmao:lmao:lmao

In before you trot out the disingenuous tactic of only comparing the first three years while ignoring that Struggle was handed arguably the most fortunate situation of any rookie QB ever. Most rookie starting QB's are expected to turn around horrible teams, which is why they're not winning Super Bowls immediately. You know this, but you'll keep ignoring it to prop up Struggle.

NFO

02-03-2015, 02:38 PM

Avante trolling the fuck out of everyone in this thread, tbh. :lol

Avante couldn't troll a fish.

Avante

02-03-2015, 02:42 PM

With how stacked Struggle's supporting cast is, the fact that he needs so many late touchdown drives to win is telling. Give a real elite QB that supporting cast and the majority of fourth quarters would be garbage time.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

In before you trot out the disingenuous tactic of only comparing the first three years while ignoring that Struggle was handed arguably the most fortunate situation of any rookie QB ever. Most rookie starting QB's are expected to turn around horrible teams, which is why they're not winning Super Bowls immediately.

So we need to kck Bart Starr out of the HOF, keep in mind he had TWO HOF backs and a defense with four HOFers on it. So we need to kick Terry Bradshaw out of the HOF, he had a HOF...

center
running back
TWO wide receivers
defensive lineman
TWO linebackers
cornerback

Where is Warner without Faulk, Holt and Bruce? Where is Troy without Emmitt, Irvin and Jay?

RW is an amazing talent, yep just like all those who understand the game say he is. It's only dumb fucks like you who don't get it.

spurraider21

02-03-2015, 02:44 PM

Clipper Nation

02-03-2015, 02:53 PM

all the great QB's are known for their game winning drives :lol

step your troll game up
Great QB's are also known for being first options who have to carry their teams to wins, not role players on stacked teams.

You must think Kirby is better than Duncan, too :lol

spurraider21

02-03-2015, 02:54 PM

Great QB's are also known for being first options who have to carry their teams to wins, not role players on stacked teams.

You must think Kirby is better than Duncan, too :lol
i've never put wilson in the same class as montana, brady, manning, rodgers... so no

Avante

02-03-2015, 02:56 PM

Avante

02-03-2015, 02:57 PM

Great QB's are also known for being first options who have to carry their teams to wins, not role players on stacked teams.

You must think Kirby is better than Duncan, too :lol

Most QB's aren't surrounded by non drafted receivers and no TE.

Stop ignoring the fact he is just a third year guy, ok? You honestly don't get this at all, do you?

cantthinkofanything

02-03-2015, 03:00 PM

Most QB's aren't surrounded by non drafted receivers and no TE.

Stop ignoring the fact he is just a third year guy, ok? You honestly don't get this at all, do you?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mczezrL9ML1qh01r8o1_400.gif

Clipper Nation

02-03-2015, 03:01 PM

RW completes that pass, we see a whole different deal here. Now he becomes an elite QB, one of the greats, the best young Q in the league, his rookie card sky rockets, he's on Letterman, a Wheatie's box, more commercials. So because of one pass.... Come on people stop acting fucking retarded, ok?
Struggle didn't complete that pass, though. One fucking yard, Super Bowl on the line, and he gagged in historic fashion. Stop playing the "what-if" game to prop up Struggle and join the rest of us in the real world.

Clipper Nation

02-03-2015, 03:03 PM

Most QB's aren't surrounded by non drafted receivers and no TE. Stop ignoring the fact he is just a third year guy, ok? You honestly don't get this at all, do you?
Great QB's elevate their receivers by being able to read a defense and consistently place the ball in the right spot. If Amendola or Edelman had Struggle as their QB, they'd be out of the league by now or on the practice squad.

Avante

02-03-2015, 03:18 PM

Great QB's elevate their receivers by being able to read a defense and consistently place the ball in the right spot. If Amendola or Edelman had Struggle as their QB, they'd be out of the league by now or on the practice squad.

Compare RW's comp % with anyone elses. Yep, wrong yet again

Imagine RW with the Thomas's, Welker and Sanders? How about, Jefferson, Joiner and Winslow? Hell, The Gronk! Give him Edelman, a 100/1000 guy.

Why do you even try and talk football?

spurraider21

02-03-2015, 03:23 PM

Avante

02-03-2015, 03:28 PM

Struggle didn't complete that pass, though. One fucking yard, Super Bowl on the line, and he gagged in historic fashion. Stop playing the "what-if" game to prop up Struggle and join the rest of us in the real world.

You mean that real world that understands we never see any third year QB win two SB's, that one? So you just turn off/ignore all those like myself talking about how for a young QB he's great.....right? Why?

I'll try again...

So we kick Terry Bradshaw and Bart Starr out of HOF because they played on great teams? Compare their stats to RW's.

cantthinkofanything

02-03-2015, 03:36 PM

You mean that real world that understands we never see any third year QB win two SB's, that one? So you just turn off/ignore all those like myself talking about how for a young QB he's great.....right? Why?

I'll try again...

So we kick Terry Bradshaw and Bart Starr out of HOF because they played on great teams? Compare their stats to RW's.

RW has inflated stats. Time will prove that he's an average QB.

Darth_Pelican

02-03-2015, 03:42 PM

RW has inflated stats. Time will prove that he's an average QB.

His statistics this season were already middle of the pack, not anything special. 15th in passing yards, 20th in completion percentage, 10th in passer rating

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards/seasontype/2

Avante's flaw in logic is that he compares RW's first 3 season's stats to great QBs who played their first 3 years with a completely different set of rules as far as passing the ball goes. He also credits RW's mediocre individual contributions to the overall team's success.

cantthinkofanything

02-03-2015, 03:46 PM

His statistics this season were already middle of the pack, not anything special. 15th in passing yards, 20th in completion percentage, 10th in passer rating

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards/seasontype/2

Avante's flaw in logic is that he compares RW's first 3 season's stats to great QBs who played their first 3 years with a completely different set of rules as far as passing the ball goes. He also credits RW's mediocre individual contributions to the overall team's success.

"Avante's flaw in logic" LOL. "flaw"...in the singular.

But yeah...you're on point as to his comments regarding RW.

Avante

02-03-2015, 03:49 PM

His statistics this season were already middle of the pack, not anything special. 15th in passing yards, 20th in completion percentage, 10th in passer rating

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards/seasontype/2

Avante's flaw in logic is that he compares RW's first 3 season's stats to great QBs who played their first 3 years with a completely different set of rules as far as passing the ball goes. He also credits RW's mediocre individual contributions to the overall team's success.

Who stepped off the plane and took right off like this guy, well? Who has played in more games, who has won more games? Who has done more things never seen before?

Nobody has been more durable or won more, what else is there?

Avante

02-03-2015, 03:50 PM

"Avante's flaw in logic" LOL. "flaw"...in the singular.

But yeah...you're on point as to his comments regarding RW.

Who has done it better after just three seasons? Save the....well if...ok? Stick to what we have actually seen.

If Usian Bolt were 5-5 instead of 6-5...................

Clipper Nation

02-03-2015, 03:52 PM

Avante

02-03-2015, 03:53 PM

And, again, he ignores that the vast majority of rookie starting QB's are drafted by awful teams with little to no help around them, which is why they're not immediately winning Super Bowls in their first three years.

The Seahawks were 7-9 and 7-9 the two seasons before RW showed up. Once again, why do you even bother?

So, he has to be drafted by a really bad team, he should make shit receivers look like all pros, he can't have a stud back or defense,....hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

How many QB's step up as a rookie and become the winningest QB ever at their stage of a career, well?

How did I know back before he was drafted (obviously not knowing what team) that he would be special? And here he is ding things never seen before. How did I know this without knowing where he was headed?

Darth_Pelican

02-03-2015, 03:59 PM

Who stepped off the plane and took right off like this guy, well? Who has played in more games, who has won more games? Who has done more things never seen before?

Nobody has been more durable or won more, what else is there?

As I just mentioned, wins are team accomplishments. I'm looking at raw statistics which show that he is a middle of the pack QB. And comparing his stats in today's NFL with elite QB's stats in their first 3 years is like comparing apples and oranges due to the changes in rules.

Why does a QB need to depend on so many late comebacks when he has the #1 defense in the NFL and one of the best of all time? A good QB would almost always have a comfortable lead in the 4th quarter with one of the best defenses of all time.

NFO

02-03-2015, 03:59 PM

Avante's flaw in logic is that he compares RW's first 3 season's stats to great QBs who played their first 3 years with a completely different set of rules as far as passing the ball goes. He also credits RW's mediocre individual contributions to the overall team's success.

Plus most of the QBs considered to be good are drafted onto historically "bad" teams, where the teams are just not that good from a player statnd point all the way up through ownsership. RW got drafted into a perfect situation that allowed him to put up the kind of numbers he has. If RW had been drafted by the Browns, Colts, Vikings, Bucs, and or Cardinals in that year his career might (most likely) would of had a very different trajectory.

Right now RW is on his rookie contract making 600K, lets see how good he is when he is making 14-16 mil and there are even less good players around him. Time will tell if he is as good as Avante thinks. He has a good start to his career, but it could have been very different had another team drafted him.

Avante

02-03-2015, 04:05 PM

As I just mentioned, wins are team accomplishments. I'm looking at raw statistics which show that he is a middle of the pack QB. And comparing his stats in today's NFL with elite QB's stats in their first 3 years is like comparing apples and oranges due to the changes in rules.

Why does a QB need to depend on so many late comebacks when he has the #1 defense in the NFL and one of the best of all time? A good QB would almost always have a comfortable lead in the 4th quarter with one of the best defenses of all time.

So if wins are team accomplishments, then so are losses, right? So how come it's...RW choked?

The guy is having the best three seasons we have ever seen any QB have, there is no debate about that. His stats, accomplishments are second to none. He is a record breaker and doing things never done before.

Clipper Nation

02-03-2015, 04:08 PM

The Seahawks were 7-9 and 7-9 the two seasons before RW showed up.

So? Just looking at the last few drafts:

The Colts were 3-13 before Peyton showed up and 2-14 before Luck showed up.
The Eagles were 3-13 before McNabb showed up.
The Bengals were 2-14 before Palmer showed up.
The Giants were 4-12 before Eli showed up.
The Chargers were 4-12 before Rivers showed up.
The Falcons were 4-12 before Ryan showed up.
The Lions were 0-16 before Stafford showed up.
The Panthers were 2-14 before Cum showed up.

7-9 is a huge upgrade over the situations that most notable rookie QB's are stepping into. Even then, guys like Roethlisberger and Flacco who were drafted into slightly more fortunate situations have always been given far more responsibilities than Struggle has ever had to deal with.

Face it, Old Faggot, your boy has had it insanely easy to start his career, and despite that advantage, hasn't even been very impressive.

cantthinkofanything

02-03-2015, 04:15 PM

So if wins are team accomplishments, then so are losses, right? So how come it's...RW choked?

The guy is having the best three seasons we have ever seen any QB have, there is no debate about that. His stats, accomplishments are second to none. He is a record breaker and doing things never done before.

the best three seasons determined by what? your opinion

Brazil

02-03-2015, 04:26 PM

The Lions were 0-16 before Stafford showed up.

:cry

Avante

02-06-2015, 12:45 AM

So? Just looking at the last few drafts:

The Colts were 3-13 before Peyton showed up and 2-14 before Luck showed up.
The Eagles were 3-13 before McNabb showed up.
The Bengals were 2-14 before Palmer showed up.
The Giants were 4-12 before Eli showed up.
The Chargers were 4-12 before Rivers showed up.
The Falcons were 4-12 before Ryan showed up.
The Lions were 0-16 before Stafford showed up.
The Panthers were 2-14 before Cum showed up.

7-9 is a huge upgrade over the situations that most notable rookie QB's are stepping into. Even then, guys like Roethlisberger and Flacco who were drafted into slightly more fortunate situations have always been given far more responsibilities than Struggle has ever had to deal with.

Face it, Old Faggot, your boy has had it insanely easy to start his career, and despite that advantage, hasn't even been very impressive.

A pro bowl, a Superbowl and a Superbowl isn't impressive?

Dummy, look at all those wins, all those GWD,s.

Avante

02-06-2015, 12:47 AM

the best three seasons determined by what? your opinion

Give me the name of the QB who...

started more games
won more games
better passing rating
better QBR
better td/int ratio
more playoff success

Go ahead see if you can find one.

Avante

02-06-2015, 10:41 PM

I'll try again

Give me the name of the QB who...

started more games
won more games
better passing rating
better QBR
better td/int ratio
more playoff success

Go ahead see if you can find one.

I challenge anyone to find any third year QB who matchs what I mentioned above.

I find it comical at how hard some of you work to not see what the young guy is doing. Why not enjoy seeing something unique, different? Why the.....bah humbug.....bullshit?

No Tom Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, Montana etc started off better, Why continue to ignore that? We are witnessing history being made with RW and it appears I'm the only one who knows it.

Infinite_limit

02-06-2015, 11:23 PM

Kaepernick started Super Bowl in his first 20 starts

jeebus

02-07-2015, 12:04 AM

http://i.imgur.com/U7qUA8o.png

lefty

02-07-2015, 12:57 AM

`:lmao

Avante

02-09-2015, 04:01 PM

NFO

02-10-2015, 10:47 AM

Look at the board, what QB's get all the attention, yep...Russell Wilson and Tom Brady.

I knew it would be this way, and if RW would have won it would be how he's the only................................

Why fight it so hard, the guy is the most exciting QB playing today, todays Fran Tarkenton, Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick, but unlike them he is a SB winning QB.

And........he's only 26 years old.

But he didn't. Love people that live in if, but, except..... Just means they try to justify a postion that didn't happen for their own sense of self-validation. Sad really.

And if he doesn't get to the Super Bowl next year all he will be in the same realm as Kurt Warner to start a career, except RW won't have a SB MVP trophy.