Hey Popsuckers, what the hell pop see in Ayres?

[TheGreatYacht]

Baynes has been having monster games in little playing time... Bonner has a positive +/- when he plays and spreads the floor... Yet OVERRATED Pop keeps playing Ayreball big minutes...

This fucking bum cant catch passes, blows dunks and layups, makes Griffin look like Hakeem, cant box out Jamal Crawford on a free throw, scores 2 points when he gets the start, Shaq laughs at his jump shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq8tgKJeEtY

PLAY BAYNES

[td4mvp2k]

:lol tro

[apalisoc_9]

You're an idiot. This one is on boylen, but you don't know that obviously cause you're an idiot.

Manu had a great game today too...

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I can tell you what he sees on his fingers

4 rings

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[RD2191]

I can tell you what he sees on his fingers

4 rings

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he can thank tim duncan for that

[cd021]

he can thank tim duncan for that

Duncan can also thank Pop for that...

[TheGreatYacht]

he can thank tim duncan for that

[cd021]

Baynes has been having monster games in little playing time... Bonner has a positive +/- when he plays and spreads the floor... Yet OVERRATED Pop keeps playing Ayreball big minutes...

This fucking bum cant catch passes, blows dunks and layups, makes Griffin look like Hakeem, cant box out Jamal Crawford on a free throw, scores 2 points when he gets the start, Shaq laughs at his jump shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq8tgKJeEtY

PLAY BAYNES

"Popsuckers" its like you're trying to sound like a moron.

Who would you suggest we replace him with? I'll wait...

[RD2191]

Duncan can also thank Pop for that...
prime duncan still would of won at least 1 or 2 without pop

[RD2191]

list of pop accomplishments without a prime duncan
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[ElNono]

:pop: "Jeff is a great positional defender"

[ElNono]

list of duncan accomplishments without a prime pop
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:hat :lol

[RD2191]

:loldamn you nono

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Pretty sure the only reason Ayres is seeing playing time is because Pop is doing Jim Boylen a favor.

[TheGreatYacht]

"Popsuckers" its like you're trying to sound like a moron.

Who would you suggest we replace him with? I'll wait...

Are you retarded? After the OKC series, Game 6, and 7, and this season (19-5 with a cake schedule)... Shit even Boylen sounds better.

[ElNono]

Personally, I think this shit isn't going to fly post All Star game... I think Pop is giving him the minutes now, but if he doesn't turn it around, he'll lose them

[jARS mEsH sEt]

But yeah real talk can we get a montage of Ayres' missed dunks this season. Pretty sure he's had like 10 or 11 point blank uncontested missed dunks already :lmao

[justinandimcool]

Spurs fans defending Ayres should be ashamed, tbh

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Personally, I think this shit isn't going to fly post All Star game... I think Pop is giving him the minutes now, but if he doesn't turn it around, he'll lose them

I normally don't agree with ElNono but he's right. I think Ayres is on thin ice with Pop and he won't get any meaningful playing time if he keeps playing like horse shit.

[Johnny RIngo]

:pop: "Jeff is a great positional defender"

Like the other poster said, this is Boylen's fault more than Pop. I don't think Pop even knew Jeff Pendergraph existed until Boylen recommended him to the FO. Losing our best player development coach in Brett Brown hurts too. Ayres keeps getting worse and worse as the season progresses. He might have shown improvement with last year's coaching staff.

[ElNono]

Like the other poster said, this is Boylen's fault more than Pop. I don't think Pop even knew Jeff Pendergraph existed until Boylen recommended him to the FO. Losing our best player development coach in Brett Brown hurts too. Ayres keeps getting worse and worse as the season progresses. He might have shown improvement with last year's coaching staff.

As I said, Pop will eventually sit his ass if he doesn't turn it around. Boylen should understand, tbh.

[NRHector]

I normally don't agree with ElNono but he's right. I think Ayres is on thin ice with Pop and he won't get any meaningful playing time if he keeps playing like horse shit.

Is it worth it? If the spurs lose games that can win just because Pop wants to experiment and then is going to be tough to rest starters at the end of the season trying to get home court

[ElNono]

Is it worth it? If the spurs lose games that can win just because Pop wants to experiment and then is going to be tough to rest starters at the end of the season trying to get home court

I don't think Pop is intentionally trying to toss games. But if he doesn't get more leeway to experiment in November/December, when is he gonna do it?

[NRHector]

I don't think Pop is intentionally trying to toss games. But if he doesn't get more leeway to experiment in November/December, when is he gonna do it?

Pop needs to know which games he can experiment with, like the next one against the Suns

[ElNono]

Pop needs to know which games he can experiment with, like the next one against the Suns

I think Pop understands it's a marathon, not a bunch of races...

[Sean Cagney]

Spurs fans defending Ayres should be ashamed, tbh
He sucks and I mean HE SUCKS. My new Fave Spurs player to hate on! Atleast Bonner did something well at times for most of the year. He is a 12th man on a roster. I hope Pop does not play this guy into the ground like he did some other bums.

[cd021]

list of pop accomplishments without a prime duncan
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Phil Jacksons Accomplishments without Jordan, Shaq, Or Kobe in Prime

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Great coaches coach great players to championships your point is laughable.

[RD2191]

Phil Jacksons Accomplishments without Jordan, Shaq, Or Kobe in Prime

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Great coaches coach great players to championships your point is laughable.
you lost at kobe

[cd021]

Are you retarded? After the OKC series, Game 6, and 7, and this season (19-5 with a cake schedule)... Shit even Boylen sounds better.

Game 6 was poorly coached. Not sure how Game 7 is his fault. Coaches take most of the blame in losses and get little credit in victory. Its a shit job, but Pop has done it well. Boylen?:lol yeah any assistant coach can just step in an lead a team to the title. I stand by calling you a moron.

[cd021]

you lost at kobe

I meant after Shaq left and he lead them to back to back (albeit with a great supporting cast of Gasol, Odom, and Bynum)

[cd021]

Spurs fans defending Ayres should be ashamed, tbh

I'm officially sick of watching him play basketball. Poor hands. Useless on offense. Defensively he has the length and mobility to be a decent defender but its just not there. He is a fringe NBA player.

[Johnny RIngo]

I meant after Shaq left and he lead them to back to back (albeit with a great supporting cast of Gasol, Odom, and Bynum)

Going 6-24 in a game 7 and having Gasol/Artest carry your ass to the finish line. Definitely led them to a title that year.

[Johnny RIngo]

He is a fringe NBA player.

You're overrating him by quite a bit. He's a D-League player getting MLE money thanks to his former Indiana coach that now works for SA.

[PlayNando]

Don't worry, Ayres will be on the bench and Bonner will be playing 25 MPG in the playoffs, tbh.

:lol

[313]

What is Ayers good at?

[siraulo23]

tiago is back

and it's not fair to the team tbh

[justinandimcool]

You're overrating him by quite a bit. He's a D-League player getting MLE money thanks to his former Indiana coach that now works for SA.

Pop's fault for giving that bald fuck any semblance of power after a month of employment. If I walked into a new job and said "we should hire this guy that I kind of like!", and my boss agrees with me, I'd think my boss is a fucking dumbass. Not that I think that's how it went down, but Boylen who has no "corporate knowledge" should not have had that kind of decision making power to bring in someone right away. PATFO are idiots for letting it happen.

[lefty]

he can thank tim duncan for that

TROOF BOMBS! !!!

[Budkin]

I stopped defending him. He's a grade A number one bust... probably one of the worst signings the Spurs have had in the last 10+ years. smfh tbh

[justinandimcool]

This scrub had the nerve to fight Heat players last year :lol He isn't even worthy of being on the same floor as Ryan Hollins, much less LeBron.

[spurraider21]

I don't think Pop is intentionally trying to toss games. But if he doesn't get more leeway to experiment in November/December, when is he gonna do it?
by that reasoning, why doesn't he experiment with baynes more :lol

[Johnny RIngo]

I stopped defending him. He's a grade A number one bust... probably one of the worst signings the Spurs have had in the last 10+ years. smfh tbh

He's a washed-up, 26 year-old monkey baller. Jeff is the type of player that got by on his athleticism for most of his basketball career, blew out his knee early in the NBA and never recovered since he never had any skills or fundamentals to fall back on. He has no feel for the game whatsoever.

[cjw]

I stopped defending him. He's a grade A number one bust... probably one of the worst signings the Spurs have had in the last 10+ years. smfh tbh

Overpaid, but $1.8 million next year is chump change to move as an expiring deal in another trade. But in a sense, you're right given the context. It's more about what he potentially cost us this year in terms of what that money could have otherwise been spent on, as anything more than two years out is meaningless to this current team.

What I would give to unload a bunch of these useless pieces (Ayres, De Colo) and any salary we need to (Bonner, CoJo) for a capable backup point. Mills simply has some awful matchups. There's just nothing out there to be had.

[ElNono]

by that reasoning, why doesn't he experiment with baynes more :lol

IMO, we had Baynes last year and I think Pop knows what he can get from him... he even did a decent job against DHo in the Lakers series.

Baynes is a guy that went through the Toros program, which makes him more familiar with the system.

That said, only Pop knows. I actually think (and hope) that if Ayers doesn't turn things around soon, Baynes will probably take his minutes.

[spurraider21]

IMO, we had Baynes last year and I think Pop knows what he can get from him... he even did a decent job against DHo in the Lakers series.

Baynes is a guy that went through the Toros program, which makes him more familiar with the system.

That said, only Pop knows. I actually think (and hope) that if Ayers doesn't turn things around soon, Baynes will probably take his minutes.
fair enough. i just don't see why Baynes' only route to getting minutes is if Ayers fucks up. Ayers didn't have to earn his minutes

[Arcadian]

Someone else explained it in another thread as, they invested money in him, so they want to put him to use. Kind of like a shitty product you bought, couldn't return it, and decided to use it until it breaks. :lol We might want to stop using it before it breaks the whole team, though.

[ElNono]

fair enough. i just don't see why Baynes' only route to getting minutes is if Ayers fucks up. Ayers didn't have to earn his minutes

I don't have all the answers. For all we know, he might've earned them in training camp.

Spursfan is anxious, but I can't think Pop is too happy with what he's seen from Ayres so far.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I guarantee that when Pop retires, TheGreatYacht will not be seen on this site anymore.

[spurraider21]

I guarantee that when Pop retires, TheGreatYacht (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719) will not be seen on this site anymore.
or if manu gets finals mvp :rollin

[objective]

Zero reason to think that this is just Pop messing around with Ayres.

This is legit, Pop is in on Ayres-sanity.

Baynes banging well against Howard in the playoffs doesn't equate to Pop resting him because he knows what he has. It points out that coming in mid-season with zero NBA experience, Baynes showed a lot of promise. So much promise that he should have been given a lot of rope to show what he could do given a full camp and a lot of minutes this season to figure out what the Spurs had and what to do with him in the summer.

Ayres is on pace to play more than 250 extra minutes than Tiago Splitter played his rookie season. Splitter was put under for no good reason, but Pop gonna Pop. It took two damn seasons to experiment with Splitter next to Duncan, but now supposedly Pop is just messing around with his bigs?

Then Baynes has two solid games after finally getting a chance, looking much better than Ayres. And against the Clippers, a good match-up for Baynes against a big center in Jordan. And still, it didn't matter. He got Splittered.

Ayres is bulletproof.

[SayTown]

Hopefully next game Ayres will play lights out and Baynes will play like shit, so then Pop will start playing Baynes more

[dallasmaverickslose]

I guarantee that when Pop retires, TheGreatYacht (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719) will not be seen on this site anymore.

:cry "No I won't I'm the world's biggest Spurs fan!"-TheGreatYacht

[TJastal]

I don't think it's a coincidence the team has been on a title drought since '08. Seems like every year since that year Pop gets completely hung up on one or two dipsticks that eventually drag the team down just enough to keep the spurs from winning championships with the most frustrating part being that there have been younger more talented players with bigger upsides sitting and rotting on the bench who just needed a little playing time but didn't get it thanks to Pop's obsessions with these schmucks. Pendergraph = the new Bonner/Blair (at the expense of Baynes) and speaking of shmucks keep an eye out for Joseph's playing time to also be increased at the expense of Mills.

[ChumpDumper]

wordslol

[Clipper Nation]

Tbh, I can't decide who was more painful to watch last night: Airs, or H:lolllins.... could be worse though, Spurfan, you guys didn't have to sit through BlowJob Mullens' brick chucking and terrible defense for weeks on end :lol

[GrandeDavid]

It's early in the regular season. It's about giving guys run to see what they can do. If Ayres isn't cutting it late in the season I'm sure his minutes will be minimal.

[Kidd K]

I really have no idea. His main use imo would be for his fouls to hack Dwight Howard. That's about it.

He should clearly be in the D league right now working on point blank field goal attempts and learning how to play basketball. If there's ever a raw Spur player who has no positive traits to warrant playing time, Ayres is the guy. I mean Neal had attrocious defense but at least he could shoot like a dream sometimes. Bonner can at least shoot threes. Ayres has no real saving graces besides his age, which is meaningless if he doesn't improve.

Send this guy to the D League and maybe he'll improve enough to use in the postseason.


list of pop accomplishments without a prime duncan
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You forgot worst Spurs record ever. . . .

. . .The one year he coached without Duncan. :lol

Pop's a good coach though, I ain't gonna sit here and bash the guy. He isn't infallable, but can you even list 3 active coaches you'd rather have? 2? Even 1?

[jeebus]

I don't have all the answers. For all we know, he might've earned them in training camp.

:lol pleasuring Pop nonstop during training camp. fucking penderfag

[cd021]

What is Ayers good at?

Standing? ....Maybe?

[cd021]

Going 6-24 in a game 7 and having Gasol/Artest carry your ass to the finish line. Definitely led them to a title that year.

Yes. But he did get them there. You can't be within a win of a title with 82 games and winning 3 rounds of basketball. Look, I don't love the guy but he did lead them to 2 titles.

[cd021]

At least Blair could score....

[weebo]

Doesn't matter really. It's the RS and come PO time scrub Ayres will be riding the pine next to other scrubs.

[TheGoldStandard]

Sucks for Baynes who had absolutely no burn whatsoever and won't have any as we approach playoffs. Rotations will shrink and Ayres will have stolen almost 2 million of the spurs money.

[Baam]

This is a scandal tbh. Guy is playing more than rookie Splitter? It's fucking disgusting what's going on... Definitely some Sandusky shit going down in the locker room, there's no other rational explanation.

**** Pop for playing this scrub and **** Buford for that shitty off season when he managed to find a worse version of Blair for twice the money...

Still no reliable PG, still no backup SF. Scandalous, I get that they were depressed after the Finals and all and have a tendency to drink but they have to come out of apologize to Tim and TP who took less money to play for a contender. Terrible stuff, the guys who left money on the table should be angry as fuck about what happened this summer.

[td4mvp2k]

:cry "spursfan" :cry :lol

[eDizzle20]

Maybe losing games will prompt Pop to play Baynes or even Thomas.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I meant after Shaq left and he lead them to back to back (albeit with a great supporting cast of Gasol, Odom, and Bynum)

Dude, Fisher was the leader of the Lakers team even when Shaq was there. He ran Phil's triangle offense to perfection. Kobe has never won a championship without Fisher. When Fisher left the 1st time, the Lakers sucked, when Fisher left the 2nd time, the Lakers suck and both times they had Kobe and Odom or Kobe and Gasol.

As for Pop, he has done a great job with the Spurs. Nobody wins a championship every year. This isn't the 50-60's Celtics era where Russell, Havilchek, Ramsey, Cousy & co. completely dominated the league. Those teams had like 6 HOF players in their prime on their roster.

There are so many great players who played together for years and still couldn't win multiple championships.

[wildcardX]

I'm all for Pop doing the Baynes or Thomas experiment for the next 20 games over Ayres. Time for another player to get the playing time.

[313]

I really have no idea. His main use imo would be for his fouls to hack Dwight Howard. That's about it.

He should clearly be in the D league right now working on point blank field goal attempts and learning how to play basketball. If there's ever a raw Spur player who has no positive traits to warrant playing time, Ayres is the guy. I mean Neal had attrocious defense but at least he could shoot like a dream sometimes. Bonner can at least shoot threes. Ayres has no real saving graces besides his age, which is meaningless if he doesn't improve.

Send this guy to the D League and maybe he'll improve enough to use in the postseason.



You forgot worst Spurs record ever. . . .

. . .The one year he coached without Duncan. :lol

Pop's a good coach though, I ain't gonna sit here and bash the guy. He isn't infallable, but can you even list 3 active coaches you'd rather have? 2? Even 1?
People bash on Pop, but he gets the most out of his plays and manages PT well so that even as these guys get older, they are still able to have vintage games

[objective]

If Pop really wanted to experiment, he would give Baynes time next to Duncan. That would be a useful experiment, because even though Pop might have his suppositions, he doesn't have proof. Splitter getting time next to Duncan took over 2 years to get a real opportunity. Hell, Pop's refusal to try it had plenty on this board convinced they couldn't play together. Well, they sure as hell could.

[monkeypunk]

I think that since Boylen backed Pendy, Pop is giving Pendy all the chances in the world just to support Boylen.

[Sean Cagney]

Maybe losing games will prompt Pop to play Baynes or even Thomas.

Doubt it. He is stubborn and will stick to his guns.

[Bong]

in all the spurs game Ayres played. one positive about his game is he could position himself to be open near the basket, but the problem is he has butterfingers, what's the use of being free if you can't handle the ball resulting to a turnover or a miss free dunk/lay up. i think he should put alot of stickum powder or pro grip in his hands or for maximum effectivity put some Gorilla Glue :downspin: