Phil Robertson Thinks Black People Were Happier Before the Civil Rights Movement

[Nbadan]

Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson Thinks Black People Were Happy Before the Civil Rights Movement
Source: E! Online


When it comes to expressing his thoughts, Phil Robertson clearly isn't limited to just sharing his views on homosexuality.

In the January issue of GQ, the Duck Dynasty star also comments on growing up in a pre-civil-rights-era Louisiana.

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson claims. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotten with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash."

He adds, "They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people'—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."

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Read more: http://www.eonline.com/news/492121/duck-dynasty-s-phil-robertson-thinks-black-people-were-happier-before-the-civil-rights-movement

Guess Anti-gay agenda Phil doesn't remember segregated bathrooms and schools...In Shreveport, the Third National flag of the Confederacy flies directly in front of the district courthouse. The flag is symbolic of the widespread disenfranchisement of African-American jurors, and the second-class justice afforded African-American defendants throughout the deep South. Worse still, the flag discourages African-American involvement in the justice system and diminishes the actual quality of justice provided...Ah, the good old days when slaves were happy and didn't complain (because they would be killed) - and then everyone else could be happy about subjugating them. How we long for those good old days again ...

[Nbadan]

Ted Cruz can't wait to jump on this bandwagon either..Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) on Thursday defended 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson after he was suspended from the television show for making controversial anti-gay remarks in an interview with GQ magazine.


"If you believe in free speech or religious liberty, you should be deeply dismayed over the treatment of Phil Robertson. Phil expressed his personal views and his own religious faith; for that, he was suspended from his job," Cruz wrote on his Facebook page. "In a free society, anyone is free to disagree with him--but the mainstream media should not behave as the thought police censoring the views with which they disagree."

Cruz argued that people love 'Duck Dynasty' because it shows a family open about its faith.

"The reason that so many Americans love Duck Dynasty is because it represents the America usually ignored or mocked by liberal elites: a family that loves and cares for each other, believes in God, and speaks openly about their faith," Cruz wrote. Cruz has expressed his love for the reality show before. He talked about the "God-fearing" family "who love guns" during his September talkathon on the Senate floor.

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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cruz-defends-duck-dynasty-star-from-thought-police

What an asshat....right to work laws which Cruz loves gives A and E the leverage to fire Phil...besides, Phil's views are not being censored; but his words to have consequences...

[SnakeBoy]

Ah, the good old days when slaves were happy and didn't complain (because they would be killed) - and then everyone else could be happy about subjugating them. How we long for those good old days again ...

Slavery ended almost a 100 years before this dude was born but don't let that get in the way of your faux outrage.

[boutons_deux]

Slavery ended almost a 100 years before this dude was born but don't let that get in the way of your faux outrage.

It's standard "Christian" Southern Baptist/Confedereate revisionism that blacks were happy, fulfilled as slaves, and welfare, same kind of lie by calling the Civil War the War of Northern Aggression. (it was actually the false flaggin Yankees who fired on Fort Sumter :lol )

Right-wing racist, hate machine is trying to exonerate Robertson for his LGBT hate and misogyny by saying he's just being a good Bible-humping "Christian".

[baseline bum]

Why don't you give us an old ###### work song?

[Nbadan]

Robertson Family Issues Statement on Duck Dynasty’s Future


We want to thank all of you for your prayers and support. The family has spent much time in prayer since learning of A&E’s decision. We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word. While some of Phil’s unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse, his beliefs are grounded in the teachings of the Bible. Phil is a Godly man who follows what the Bible says are the greatest commandments: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart” and “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Phil would never incite or encourage hate.We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right. We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty. Again, thank you for your continued support of our family.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/robertson-family-issues-statement-on-duck-dynastys-future-on-ae/

[BradLohaus]

I believe that a private company can fire (or refuse business to) anybody for their personal beliefs, and we all know that is certainly the case in America today.

[Nbadan]

How about for being a complete marketing fake?

http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2013/October/131017/8C9407762-131017-ent-duckdynasty3-hmed.blocks_desktop_medium.jpg

[BradLohaus]

That's what every reality show is.

[Nbadan]

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1497701_643756142355819_1093256971_n.jpg

[BradLohaus]

Did the DC's get fired from their label?

[angrydude]

If A&E didn't want this to happen they should have never bought the show.

[ChumpDumper]

Did the DC's get fired from their label?Did these guys get fired form their show?

[pgardn]

I believe that a private company can fire (or refuse business to) anybody for their personal beliefs, and we all know that is certainly the case in America today.

Especially if it makes the employers look like they are backing racist homophobes. The racist homophobe label is apparently not good for business... I wonder, what's up with that?

[angrydude]

Especially if it makes the employers look like they are backing racist homophobes. The racist homophobe label is apparently not good for business... I wonder, what's up with that?

Firing them doesn't look to good for business either.

[ChumpDumper]

Firing them doesn't look to good for business either.Who was fired?

[boutons_deux]

Firing them doesn't look to good for business either.

sure it does. A&E must know their audience, and obviously, they know that the majority their audience isn't Louisiana-racist/homophobe/Bible-humper. Giving Confederate/Christian racists/homophobes a platform is obviously not good for business.

I did hear one observation that the Robertson's racist/homophobe/white-trash positions are much more the REALITY of the rural/Confederate/Christian assholes than the DD bogus reality show, as bogus as all the reality shows.

[boutons_deux]

Pastor Phil preaching Christ's love

Phil Robertson demonized LGBT people in 2010 sermon: ‘They invent ways of doing evil’

“First they say, ‘There is no God. Get him out of your mind,’” Robertson said, waving a Bible. “Then they bow down to birds, animals and reptiles, and each other, and the first thing you see coming out of that book is gross sexual immorality.”

“Women with women, men with men, they committed indecent acts with one another, and they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversions,” Robertson said.

“They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless. They invent ways of doing evil. That’s what you have 235 years, roughly, after your forefathers founded the country.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/20/phil-robertson-demonized-lgbt-people-in-2010-sermon-they-invent-ways-of-doing-evil/

[angrydude]

sure it does. A&E must know their audience, and obviously, they know that the majority their audience isn't Louisiana-racist/homophobe/Bible-humper. Giving Confederate/Christian racists/homophobes a platform is obviously not good for business.

I did hear one observation that the Robertson's racist/homophobe/white-trash positions are much more the REALITY of the rural/Confederate/Christian assholes than the DD bogus reality show, as bogus as all the reality shows.

I'm no so sure about that. That show had mass appeal.

Why do all sorts of shitty shows get good ratings? It's what a lot of people want to see.

[Ginobilly]

I read an article a while back that said that black nuclear families existed way more before the civil rights movement compared to now(what is it now, like 70 % of black children live without their father?). Also, less drugs, alcoholism and violence within their communities. Nowadays they're a lot more wealthier( if you count foodstamps and subsidized housing as wealth) as they get more financial and educational opportunities, but there families have suffered for some reason. This "civil rights" movement didn't really help them in the grand scheme of things. If you count rap music, opportunities in the NFL/NBA and bitches n Blunts as progress, in exchange for destroying their nuclear families, you'll don't have any morals. I would prefer my mom n dad all day over this bs so called black culture nowadays. Also, Black music(black rock n roll, jazz, blues,etc) before the civil rights movement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gangsta rap/hip hop.

[Jacob1983]

Has anyone died because of this shit?

[ChumpDumper]

Has anyone died because of this shit?What does that have to do with anything?

[CitizenDwayne]

People defending this guy make me sick. This millionaire wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, but once he says bigoted comments, you have to jump to his rescue?

[Th'Pusher]

Assume you were a relatively public figure at your place of work and were quoted saying the same thing in an interview with a national magazine. What would happen to you?

[BradLohaus]

Did these guys get fired form their show?

I apologize: replace "fired" with "put on indefinite hiatus".

[ChumpDumper]

I apologize: replace "fired" with "put on indefinite hiatus".Were they shooting through Christmas and New Years?

[BradLohaus]

I have no idea. I just know the guy who said it was put on indefinite hiatus, and since people were comparing this to the DC's, I was wondering if their record company did anything similar to them.

Anyway, he's just lucky he's not in Europe; he could be in jail, or at least fined. I'm sure we'll get similar hate speech laws here soon enough though.

[ChumpDumper]

I have no idea. I just know the guy who said it was put on indefinite hiatus, and since people were comparing this to the DC's, I was wondering if their record company did anything similar to them.Their primary sponsor went through some hemming and hawing just like A&E is doing now.

[BradLohaus]

I read their Wikipedia page and I didn't see anything about their record company doing anything, and they were with Columbia before and after the incident. I guess we'll see who caves first, if anybody. Should be interesting. But I don't think a lot of people defending A&E would be doing so if somebody famous was fired from a company for being pro-gay.

And yes, his statement on gays is the position of tens of millions of Christians in the US, which is why he must be made an example of. If the rich and famous aren't immune, what would happen to a nobody?

[BradLohaus]

Oh and remember what happened to James Watson some years ago?

"On October 25, 2007, Watson was compelled to retire as chancellor of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on New York's Long Island and from its board of directors, after he had been quoted in The Times the previous week as saying "[I am] inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa [because] all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours—whereas all the testing says not really.""

The guy was one of the two who discovered the structure of DNA and won the Nobel for it... a little more impressive than inventing a new duck call. But even THAT doesn't protect you; all must bow to the established rules of accepted thought.

[ChumpDumper]

I read their Wikipedia page and I didn't see anything about their record company doing anything, and they were with Columbia before and after the incident.I said nothing about their record company.
I guess we'll see who caves first, if anybody. Should be interesting.Might push back the new episodes a couple of weeks.
But I don't think a lot of people defending A&E would be doing so if somebody famous was fired from a company for being pro-gay.Yes. The sky is blue.


And yes, his statement on gays is the position of tens of millions of Christians in the US, which is why he must be made an example of. If the rich and famous aren't immune, what would happen to a nobody?Yeah, you're taking this a bit far.

A business made a business decision.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh and remember what happened to James Watson some years ago?

"On October 25, 2007, Watson was compelled to retire as chancellor of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on New York's Long Island and from its board of directors, after he had been quoted in The Times the previous week as saying "[I am] inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa [because] all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours—whereas all the testing says not really.""

The guy was one of the two who discovered the structure of DNA and won the Nobel for it... a little more impressive than inventing a new duck call. But even THAT doesn't protect you; all must bow to the established rules of accepted thought.Yes, money and fame will not protect you from your own stupidity.

[Th'Pusher]

Oh and remember what happened to James Watson some years ago?

"On October 25, 2007, Watson was compelled to retire as chancellor of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on New York's Long Island and from its board of directors, after he had been quoted in The Times the previous week as saying "[I am] inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa [because] all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours—whereas all the testing says not really.""

The guy was one of the two who discovered the structure of DNA and won the Nobel for it... a little more impressive than inventing a new duck call. But even THAT doesn't protect you; all must bow to the established rules of accepted thought.

It's not the establishment rule of accepted thought, it's a public company's fear of reprisal from a unified caucus. This is the free market at work and conservatives don't like it. Go figure.

[BradLohaus]

I didn't say you compared it to the DC's; Dan did.

And I don't think I'm taking it too far, as you agreed that the same thing wouldn't have happened if it was the other way around.

And are you saying that Watson is stupid, or was stupid for publicly saying what he said? I'll guess you'll say that that particular opinion of his is stupid. Although he's probably a better authority on the subject than anyone here, I'm guessing. We both know that it is simply not allowed to say what he said, and that's why he was fired *ahem* asked to step down.

[BradLohaus]

It's not the establishment rule of accepted thought, it's a public company's fear of reprisal from a unified caucus. This is the free market at work and conservatives don't like it. Go figure.

I think it's absolutely their right to punish him, just as a company could do the same thing if an employee said something pro-gay that they thought would hurt them... right?

[BradLohaus]

BTW, if anybody wants to read an article on how this goes in Europe, here you go. Once the Left has a majority on the SCOTUS there will be a case that moves up the ladder, and this will be the law here. One of the judges already talked about whether or not hate speech is protected by the 1st, and how we might need to re-examine that.


Europe’s War on Free Speech

The Amsterdam Court of Appeals has ordered the criminal prosecution of a Dutch Member of Parliament for criticizing Islam. The court’s ruling overturns a previous decision by Dutch public prosecutors, who had determined that there was not enough evidence to charge Geert Wilders, leader of the conservative Freedom Party, for hate crimes after he produced a hard-hitting film that says Islam promotes violence. In a written judgment, the appeals court said that “by attacking the symbols of the Muslim religion, [Wilders] also insulted Muslim believers.”

The ruling will please the Dutch Muslim immigrant groups who asked the appeals court to force the justice department to prosecute Wilders for expressing his opinions. But many others say the prosecution is an alarming attack on free speech by politically correct activist judges who are trying to silence criticism of the growing power of Islam in Europe.

Wilders, who frequently speaks out against the “Islamization” of the Netherlands, said “the judgment of the court [is] an attack on the freedom of expression.... Participation in the public debate has become a dangerous activity. If you give your opinion, you risk being prosecuted.... Who will stand up for our culture if I am silenced?”

Of course, Wilders is only the latest in a line of Dutch citizens who have run afoul of the pro-Muslim thought police in post-Christian Holland. In 2002, Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn was assassinated for his views on Islam and Muslim immigration. In 2004, Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh was stabbed to death for producing a movie that criticized Islam. In 2006, former Dutch lawmaker Ayaan Hirsi Ali was forced to flee the country after criticizing the mistreatment of women in Islamic societies.

What makes the Wilders case different, however, is that the Dutch state itself is now caving in to pressure from Muslim immigrants who seek to criminalize any opinions that could be deemed to insult Islam or criticize Muslim immigration.

But Holland is not the only European country at war with the exercise of free speech. In Austria, for example, Member of Parliament Susanne Winter was convicted for the “crime” of saying that “in today’s system” the Prophet Muhammad would be considered a “child molester,” referring to his marriage to a six-year-old child. She was also convicted for “incitement” for warning that Austria faces an “Islamic immigration tsunami.”

In Italy, the journalist and author Oriana Fallaci was taken to court for writing that Islam “brings hate instead of love and slavery instead of freedom.” She died in September 2006, two months after the start of her trial. In France, novelist Michel Houellebecq was taken to court for calling Islam “the stupidest religion.” He was acquitted in October 2002. More recently, animal rights activist Brigitte Bardot was convicted in June 2008 by a Paris court for “inciting racial hatred” for demanding that Muslims anaesthetize animals before slaughtering them.

In Britain, the 2006 Racial and Religious Hatred Act, which creates a new crime of intentionally stirring up religious hatred against people on religious grounds, has led to zealousness bordering on the absurd. In Nottingham, for example, the Greenwood Primary School cancelled a Christmas nativity play because it interfered with the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha. In Scarborough, the Yorkshire Coast College removed the words Christmas and Easter from their calendar so as not to offend Muslims. In Scotland, the Tayside Police Department apologized for featuring a German shepherd puppy as part of a campaign to publicize its new non-emergency telephone number. The postcards are potentially offensive to city’s 3,000-strong Muslim community because Islamic legal tradition says that dogs are impure.

In Glasgow, a Christian radio show host was fired after a debate between a Muslim and a Christian on whether Jesus is “the way, the truth and the life.” In Cheshire, two students at the Alsager High School were punished by their teacher for refusing to pray to Allah as part of their Religious Education class. In East London, all elected members of Tower Hamlets town council were told not to eat during daylight hours in town hall meetings during the Muslim month of Ramadan. Special arrangements were also made to disrupt council meetings to allow for Muslim prayer. Meanwhile, the council renamed a staff Christmas party as a “festive meal”.

Nor are Muslims the only ones trying to restrict free speech in Europe. In Britain, for example, the government is facing pressure from homosexual rights activists to overturn a free speech protection amendment added to a controversial “gay hate” law. The free speech protection clause, which states that criticizing homosexual practice or urging people to refrain from such conduct will not, in itself, be a crime, was added to the new offense of “incitement to homophobic hatred.” But now the government wants to remove that protection. The crime of inciting homophobic hatred includes any words or behavior which is threatening and intended to stir up hatred. It carries a maximum sentence of seven years in prison.

At the European level, meanwhile, government ministers from the 27 member states of the European Union are debating a draft EU Directive that aims to outlaw discrimination and “harassment” in the provision of goods and services. The new legislation would, for example, shut down Christian adoption agencies if they refuse to provide same-sex couples with children. Indeed, the definition of “harassment” is so broad that even moderate explanations of Christian beliefs on sexual conduct or other religions could be considered a crime.

Europe’s war on free speech is the result of a profound identity crisis, one that is being generated by the blanket abandonment of traditional Judeo-Christian values coupled with mass immigration from Muslim countries. But in their zeal to criminalize free thought and free speech, the leftwing guardians of Orwellian political correctness are systematically destroying European democracy.

Not only are European elites using hate crime legislation to silence people with opinions that do not conform to official state policies. They are also dividing Europeans into two groups (the majority and the minority), each with different rights and responsibilities. The minority (Muslims, homosexuals, Socialists) is imposing its will upon the majority (non-Muslim, heterosexuals, non-Socialists) by aggressively prosecuting those who refuse to fall into line.

Europeans lack an American-like First Amendment, which means they can be punished for expressing the “wrong” opinions. But Europe’s war on free speech should serve as a warning to Americans about the perils of complacency. Indeed, the Obama administration says it intends to “strengthen federal hate crimes legislation, expand hate crimes protection by passing the Matthew Shepard Act, and reinvigorate enforcement at the Department of Justice’s Criminal Section.” Some politicians have also expressed support for re-imposing the Fairness Doctrine, which would effectively censor the opinions of tens of millions of Americans.

More than 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson warned of the slow drift from freedom to tyranny when he observed that “there are rights which it is useless to surrender to the government and which governments have yet always been found to invade. These are the rights of thinking and publishing our thoughts by speaking or writing.”

Will the United States follow in Europe’s footsteps?

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3788

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't say you compared it to the DC's; Dan did.

And I don't think I'm taking it too far, as you agreed that the same thing wouldn't have happened if it was the other way around.The "example" screed was taking it too far.

A business made a business decision.


And are you saying that Watson is stupid, or was stupid for publicly saying what he said? I'll guess you'll say that that particular opinion of his is stupid. Although he's probably a better authority on the subject than anyone here, I'm guessing. We both know that it is simply not allowed to say what he said, and that's why he was fired *ahem* asked to step down.I am saying Watson was not protected by his fame from his own stupidity. He was stupid to say what he said as a representative of that private entity.

A private entity made a personnel decision. Watson fucked up.

[ChumpDumper]

BTW, if anybody wants to read an article on how this goes in Europe, here you go. Once the Left has a majority on the SCOTUS there will be a case that moves up the ladder, and this will be the law here. One of the judges already talked about whether or not hate speech is protected by the 1st, and how we might need to re-examine that.



http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3788It won't be law here.

[Th'Pusher]

BTW, if anybody wants to read an article on how this goes in Europe, here you go. Once the Left has a majority on the SCOTUS there will be a case that moves up the ladder, and this will be the law here. One of the judges already talked about whether or not hate speech is protected by the 1st, and how we might need to re-examine that.



http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3788

Overall, Do you think the ACLU has a positive or negative influence on the American judicial system?

[Wild Cobra]

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1497701_643756142355819_1093256971_n.jpg
Everyone has the right to free speech, and other people have the right to retaliate in legal ways.

[BradLohaus]

"Screed". You think I went too far, I don't. I stated why.

I'm sure that 10-20 years ago plenty of Europeans thought that no one would ever end up in a courtroom just for being critical of Islam.

The ACLU? It's been around along time right? I don't know, I'd have to look into their history. They get blame from the right today for being anti prayer in schools, pro gay rights, and things like that. But I know that they aren't just that. They backed some people that aren't left at all. I would think that early in their history they might not have been seen that way. I just looked up that they started in 1920; that's almost a century. I really don't know how to answer over such a long time without knowing a lot about them, but since they hate government surveillance, I'll say good. I'm guessing you were ready to hammer me for saying bad LOL.

[SnakeBoy]

I think it's absolutely their right to punish him, just as a company could do the same thing if an employee said something pro-gay that they thought would hurt them... right?

I agree with you but if Chick-fil-A suspended an employee for stating publicly that he supported same sex marriage you know the same people who support A&E's decision would be outraged at Chick-Fil-A and ranting about free speech blah blah blah.

[BradLohaus]

I agree with you but if Chick-fil-A suspended an employee for stating publicly that he supported same sex marriage you know the same people who support A&E's decision would be outraged at Chick-Fil-A and ranting about free speech blah blah blah.

Absolutely. But they would justify it. You might get to see that here.

[ChumpDumper]

No bill of rights in Europe. We got one here. You will be able to criticize Islam.

Enjoy.

[Th'Pusher]

"Screed". You think I went too far, I don't. I stated why.

I'm sure that 10-20 years ago plenty of Europeans thought that no one would ever end up in a courtroom just for being critical of Islam.

The ACLU? It's been around along time right? I don't know, I'd have to look into their history. They get blame from the right today for being anti prayer in schools, pro gay rights, and things like that. But I know that they aren't just that. They backed some people that aren't left at all. I would think that early in their history they might not have been seen that way. I just looked up that they started in 1920; that's almost a century. I really don't know how to answer over such a long time without knowing a lot about them, but since they hate government surveillance, I'll say good. I'm guessing you were ready to hammer me for saying bad LOL.

Not a gotcha question. I was just trying to get your temperature on the predominant organization that has rigorously defended the right of free speech. Generally people who lean to the right don't have a favorable opinion of the ACLU.

We can only hope the ACLU has as much influence defending the first amendment as the NRA has had defending the second. We can't pass background check legislation for gun ownership with majority american support and you're talking about eliminating free speech. Forgive me for thinking you're a bit of a drama queen.

[ElNono]

The only thing I don't get about this whole 'scandal' is the "free speech" claims.

AFAIK, nobody told him to stop saying what he believes in, nor was he jailed or sued for speaking his mind.

He can open a twitter account or a website tomorrow and keep on yapping. Don't really get the claims that this case is a good example of free speech being curbed, tbh

[boutons_deux]

No bill of rights in Europe.

Very, very wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_rights

[ChumpDumper]

Very, very wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_rightsI sit corrected, but theirs are not identical to ours. The Netherlands' constitution in particular allows for laws that penalize certain speech. Ours does not.

[boutons_deux]

I sit corrected, but theirs are not identical to ours. The Netherlands' constitution in particular allows for laws that penalize certain speech. Ours does not.

"theirs are not identical to ours" that's not a fault of their BoRs. the US BoR isn't EXCEPTIONALLY the best, except in chauvinists' imaginations.

Lots of speech in USA is not protected by the BoR, which primarily applies to the govt restricting speech.

And of course, try exercising the right to assemble and get your freedom-loving, Constitution-loving ass beaten, maced, arrested, jailed by militarized police.

Then try to get a job with a "exercising my right of assembly" arrest record.

In Germany and France, at least, it's illegal to deny the Holocaust. And Germany has other laws about about Nazism.

[ChumpDumper]

"theirs are not identical to ours" that's not a fault of their BoRs. Depends on which you prefer -- but they are deliberately different.

[boutons_deux]

The National Security Agency and our Department of Homeland Security want to squelch parody that pokes fun at them.

Specifically, Dan’s been selling t-shirts, coffee cups, and other paraphernalia with slogans that mock the two massive spook agencies. For example, one calls DHS the “Department of Homeland Stupidity.” Another says: “NSA: The Only Part of Government That Actually Listens.” And one even alters the NSA’s official logo to read: “Peeping While You’re Sleeping.”

Top spooks at NSA and DHS were outraged, and both agencies took legal action (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2013/11/01/nsa-and-dhs-the-most-humorless-agencies/) to try stopping McCall from…well, from making fun of them. Technically, though, that’s not against the law (yet), so the agencies had to go after him for “mutilation…or impersonation of government seals.”

http://otherwords.org/peeping-youre-sleeping-laughing-matter/

[boutons_deux]

deliberately different.

which is not a fault.

Every org's bill of rights is couched in its historical context, all of which are different in the details just like the US's BoR is specifically a response to being a colony, etc.

[ChumpDumper]

which is not a fault.

Every org's bill of rights is couched in its historical context, all of which are different in the details just like the US's BoR is specifically a response to being a colony, etc.Right, and it won't allow for the laws someone else cited from the Netherlands.

[boutons_deux]

And USA's BoR applies only to those "exceptional, Better Than All The Rest" US citizens, not to human beings whose "rights" are famously "alienable" simply because they aren't US citizens.

[boutons_deux]

and then there is this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

... with USA as very tardy signatory.

[boutons_deux]

just one example of corporations restricting "free speech" because it hurts or would hurt its profits:

http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Markets/CSPI-urges-dismissal-of-pink-slime-lawsuit?utm_source=RSS_text_news&utm_medium=RSS%2Bfeed&utm_campaign=RSS%2BText%2BNews

and then there is the "ag gag" laws so popular in red states.

Robertson was in no way restricted from saying whatever the fuck he wanted to say, and A&E was not restricted in suspending him, so pitbull bitch's/Fox's, whining about 1st Amendment, as always with her incoherence, is off the target, even with a gun-fellatin shotgun.

There must be a contract between A&E and Robertson, with rights given/taken, duties, restrictions, responsibilities, etc that might restrict, or not restrict, Robertson's speech. But it's probably secret.

[Trill Clinton]

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/131220-palin-a-forceful-advocate-for-free-speech.jpg

ethered

[Th'Pusher]

Gays full of murder :lol

http://www.businessinsider.com/phil-robertson-video-on-gays-duck-dynasty-suspension-2013-12

[boutons_deux]

Gays full of murder :lol

http://www.businessinsider.com/phil-robertson-video-on-gays-duck-dynasty-suspension-2013-12

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226732&p=7021215&viewfull=1#post7021215

[boutons_deux]

‘Duck Dynasty’ and Quackery

I must admit that I’m not a watcher of “Duck Dynasty,” but I’m very much aware of it. I, too, am from Louisiana, and the family on the show lives outside the town of Monroe, which is a little over 50 miles from my hometown. We’re all from the sticks.

So, when I became aware of the homophobic and racially insensitive comments that the patriarch on the show, Phil Robertson, made this week in an interview in GQ magazine (http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2o2jJHuTD), I thought: I know that mind-set.

Robertson’s interview reads as a commentary almost without malice, imbued with a matter-of-fact, this-is-just-the-way-I-see-it kind of Southern folksiness. To me, that is part of the problem. You don’t have to operate with a malicious spirit to do tremendous harm. Insensitivity and ignorance are sufficient. In fact, intolerance that is disarming is the most dangerous kind. It can masquerade as morality.

A&E, which airs “Duck Dynasty,” moved quickly to suspend Robertson, as his comments engaged the political culture wars, with liberals condemning him and conservatives — including Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, a possible presidential candidate — rushing to his defense.
Let me first say that Robertson has a constitutionally protected right to voice his opinion and A&E has a corporate right to decide if his views are consistent with its corporate ethos. No one has a constitutional right to a reality show. I have no opinion on the suspension. That’s A&E’s call.

In fact, I don’t want to focus on the employment repercussions of what Robertson said, but on the content of it. In particular, I want to focus on a passage on race from the interview, in which Robertson says:

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field. ...They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’ — not a word! ...Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

While this is possible, it is highly improbable. Robertson is 67 years old, born into the Jim Crow South. Only a man blind and naïve to the suffering of others could have existed there and not recognized that there was a rampant culture of violence against blacks, with incidents and signs large and small, at every turn, on full display. Whether he personally saw interpersonal mistreatment of them is irrelevant.

Louisiana helped to establish the architecture for Jim Crow. First, there were the Black Codes that sought to control interactions between blacks and whites and constrain black freedom. The Jim Crow Encyclopedia even points out that in one Louisiana town, Opelousas, “freedmen needed the permission of their employers to enter town.”

Then, in 1890, the State Legislature passed the Separate Car Act, which stipulated that all railway companies in the state “shall provide equal but separate accommodations for the white, and colored races” in their coaches. The landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case was a Louisiana case challenging that law. The United States Supreme Court upheld the law, a ruling that provided the underpinning for state-sponsored racial segregation, and Jim Crow laws spread.

Robertson’s comments conjure the insidious mythology of historical Southern fiction, that of contented slave and benevolent master, of the oppressed and the oppressors gleefully abiding the oppression, happily accepting their wildly variant social stations. This mythology posits that there were two waves of ruination for Southern culture, the Civil War and the civil rights movement, that made blacks get upset and things go downhill.

Robertson’s comments also display a staggering ignorance about the place and meaning of song in African-American suffering. As for the singing of the blues in particular, the jazz musician Amina Claudine Myers points out in an essay (http://books.google.com/books?id=TKgrWYPGyToC&pg=PA114&dq=blues+1800s+work+songs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oam0UsnNGYGzsATNiYEQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=blues%201800s%20work%20songs&f=false) that the blues was heard in the late 1800s and “came from the second generation of slaves, Black work songs, shouts and field hollers, which originated from African call-and-response singing.” Work songs, the blues and spirituals were not easily separated.

Furthermore, Robertson doesn’t seem to acknowledge the possibility that black workers he encountered possessed the most minimal social sophistication and survival skills necessary to not confess dissatisfaction to a white person on a cotton farm (no matter how “trashy” that white person might think himself).

It’s impossible to know if Robertson recognizes the historical resonance and logical improbability of his comments. But that’s not an excuse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/opinion/blow-duck-dynasty-and-quackery.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0

Phil exposed The Reality Show of the Confederate South.

I know one lady who works in the Landry Parish tourist center on I49 that says the staff are really embarrassed by and tired of tourists asking about, eg, Swamp People and where to find them. :lol

Her problem (all of her own family casually refer to blacks as n!gg@s) is that Swamp People and all the other Confederate white trash (as Phil calls his family), rednecks, bubbas, etc are truly a large part, even emblematic, of the current Confederacy, and non-Confederate red states. The New South is pretty much like The Old South.

[Wild Cobra]

The things I have seen over the years has nothing to do with the civil rights movement, but with the Nanny and welfare state. The war on poverty started about the same time as the civil rights movement. When it became a better option for mothers to split from the father of their children...

[boutons_deux]

‘Duck Dynasty’ creator Scott Gurney starred in indie ‘gay porn’ filmarticle includes video! :lol

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/20/duck-dynasty-creator-scott-gurney-starred-in-indie-gay-porn-film/

[Bill_Brasky]

OP why do you care

[Bill_Brasky]

‘Duck Dynasty’ creator Scott Gurney starred in indie ‘gay porn’ filmarticle includes video! :lol

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/20/duck-dynasty-creator-scott-gurney-starred-in-indie-gay-porn-film/
Nobody cares.

[boutons_deux]

Nobody cares.

agreed, exemplary Christian homophobe Phil probably doesn't care that his riches from DD were created by gay porn actor.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Nobody cares.

[boutons_deux]

SCALIA CALLS “DUCK DYNASTY” DECISION UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia lashed out at the cable network A&E today, calling its decision to suspend Phil Robertson, the star of the TV series “Duck Dynasty,” unconstitutional, and demanding that it be overturned at once.

Speaking at a press conference with fellow Justice Clarence Thomas, a visibly angry Scalia told reporters that Robertson was “exercising his First Amendment right to express an opinion—an opinion, I might add, that many other great Americans agree with.”

He warned that the suspension of the “Duck” star would have a “chilling effect” on freedom of speech in America: “If Phil Robertson can be muzzled for expressing this perfectly legitimate view, what’s to prevent the same thing from happening to, say, a Justice of the Supreme Court?”

He added that, while he was a huge “Duck Dynasty” fan who never misses an episode, his objection to Mr. Robertson’s suspension was “purely on Constitutional grounds.”

Declaring that A&E’s decision “will not stand,” Justice Scalia said he would ask the Supreme Court to meet in an emergency session to overturn it: “This offensive decision by A&E is a clear violation of the Constitution, and I’m not the only one on the Court who feels that way. Right, Clarence?”

Justice Thomas had no comment.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/12/scalia-calls-duck-dynasty-decision-unconstitutional.html

[Nbadan]

OP why do you care

Because they're fake......duh....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW343K1-upo

[Nbadan]

The war on poverty started about the same time as the civil rights movement. When it became a better option for mothers to split from the father of their children...

Correlation is not causation...and why associate the war on poverty with the civil right movement....there were plenty of working poor whites affected by the war on Poverty...

[SnakeBoy]

Because they're fake......duh....


And why does this bother you?

[boutons_deux]

"why associate the war on poverty with the civil right movement"

because they were both part of the 1960s progress that conservatives/racists/Repug/VRWC hate as much as they hate the progress of the 1930s (FDR, Glass-steagall, SS, FDIC, union legalization/protection, government counter-cyclical stimulus).

It's ALL class (including race) warfare, the white 1% vs all-colors 99%.

[CosmicCowboy]

I think A&E was just looking for an excuse to dump Duck Dynasty even though they have made millions on the show. The liberal culture at A&E management thought that DD would be an expose on the redneck buffoons that "cultured" people could laugh at like Honey Boo Boo. They never dreamed they would reach cult like status and be the most popular show on cable. It actually turned out to be an embarrassment for A&E management. By doing it this way the DD crew quits and breaks their contract and A&E gets out cheap.

[BradLohaus]

Not a gotcha question. I was just trying to get your temperature on the predominant organization that has rigorously defended the right of free speech. Generally people who lean to the right don't have a favorable opinion of the ACLU.

We can only hope the ACLU has as much influence defending the first amendment as the NRA has had defending the second. We can't pass background check legislation for gun ownership with majority american support and you're talking about eliminating free speech. Forgive me for thinking you're a bit of a drama queen.

I looked up the ACLU on wiki and I didn't know that the ACLU backed Oliver North; guess you do learn something every day. I agree that most on the right hate them recently. On the last part, all it will take is a court to say that hate speech inherently causes harm and isn't protected speech, and when it passes a future Left dominated SCOTUS, it's done. Just like when Separate but Equal suddenly became obviously not true, and women always had a right to abortion, starting in the 70's.

[BradLohaus]

I think A&E was just looking for an excuse to dump Duck Dynasty even though they have made millions on the show. The liberal culture at A&E management thought that DD would be an expose on the redneck buffoons that "cultured" people could laugh at like Honey Boo Boo. They never dreamed they would reach cult like status and be the most popular show on cable. It actually turned out to be an embarrassment for A&E management. By doing it this way the DD crew quits and breaks their contract and A&E gets out cheap.

Just like when Archie Bunker was supposed to be the bad guy on "All in the Family" while Meathead taught him a lesson every week. Then the masses actually liked him, and... wait! You got it all wrong, masses! Oh well, we made money anyway.

[pgardn]

Just like when Archie Bunker was supposed to be the bad guy on "All in the Family" while Meathead taught him a lesson every week. Then the masses actually liked him, and... wait! You got it all wrong, masses! Oh well, we made money anyway.

Yeah and Archie worked hard while Meathead spouted views, but had no job.
People liked Archie because down deep he really did not hate.

So explain George Jefferson?

[boutons_deux]

Yeah and Archie worked hard while Meathead spouted views, but had no job.
People liked Archie because down deep he really did not hate.

So explain George Jefferson?

Archie, working class poor urban white bigot, was entertaining, fascinating because he was so politically incorrect. The show had the edginess, daring, beyond the boundaries that moved passed conventional saccharine shit like the Dick Van Dyke/Mary Tyler Moore show.

George J was middle class, respectable urban black always in a suit and tie with his wife, friends always really well dressed, again a jarring, unconventional image compared to unemployed, poor blacks, and black hoods ravaging, eg NYC, Philly, Baltimore, in the 70s, living in "the (disastrous) projects", slums, Bed-Stuy. Sanford and Sons was just funny.

All fake, just like all TV, esp all TV "reality shows", including the fake Duck Dynasty.

[Spurminator]

I think A&E was just looking for an excuse to dump Duck Dynasty even though they have made millions on the show. The liberal culture at A&E management thought that DD would be an expose on the redneck buffoons that "cultured" people could laugh at like Honey Boo Boo. They never dreamed they would reach cult like status and be the most popular show on cable. It actually turned out to be an embarrassment for A&E management. By doing it this way the DD crew quits and breaks their contract and A&E gets out cheap.

LOL yeah those liberal executives at A&E Networks who bring you the following lefty-leaning shows...

- Pawn Stars
- American Pickers
- Swamp People
- American Restoration
- Ax Men
- Ice Road Truckers
- Only in America (Featuring Larry the Cable Guy)
- Storage Wars
- Storage Wars: Texas
- Shipping Wars
- Rodeo Girls
- Army Wives
- Dance Moms
- Celebrity Ghost Stories
- Dallas SWAT
- The Military History Channel

... definitely seem to be trying to get out of the Redneck Ratings Bonanza as quickly as possible.

[Winehole23]

CC does kneejerk. thinking things through, not so much.

[Spurminator]

I do hope that everyone planning to boycott A&E over this also realizes that A&E owns History, Lifetime, H2, LMN, Biography and the Military History Channel and boycotts those as well. I also hope they're Nielsen households so their boycott actually has an impact on ratings. Maybe we'll see a slight improvement to cable programming in general if ratings for all of those shows fall.

[ChumpDumper]

I think A&E was just looking for an excuse to dump Duck Dynasty even though they have made millions on the show. The liberal culture at A&E management thought that DD would be an expose on the redneck buffoons that "cultured" people could laugh at like Honey Boo Boo. They never dreamed they would reach cult like status and be the most popular show on cable. It actually turned out to be an embarrassment for A&E management. By doing it this way the DD crew quits and breaks their contract and A&E gets out cheap.What are your examples of the "liberal culture" at A&E?

[Trill Clinton]

cc, with the fox news bads

[CosmicCowboy]

Haven't watched Fox in weeks.


Maybe you are bringing tha MSNBC bads?

I am neither a fan of Duck Dynasty (never watched it) or particularly religious.

It's just puzzling to me how a guy accurately paraphrasing Corinthians 6: 9-10 could outrage all you faggots.

[Winehole23]

just gaybait em. stay classy, CC.

[Bill_Brasky]

Haven't watched Fox in weeks.


Maybe you are bringing tha MSNBC bads?

I am neither a fan of Duck Dynasty (never watched it) or particularly religious.

It's just puzzling to me how a guy accurately paraphrasing Corinthians 6: 9-10 could outrage all you faggots.
Nobody is outraged about anything. The way it reads to me is, you made a bullshit claim, somebody called you on it, and now you're deflecting.

Per par.

[Nbadan]

And why does this bother you?

They bother me the same way the Kardasians bother me...because they're fake....there is no redneck family like the Robertsons in reality...they are fake just like the Partridge Family and the Cleaver family of the 70's and 60's...only they live as rednecks...

[Th'Pusher]

CC does kneejerk. thinking things through, not so much.

I like the way he assumes A&E would just drop a cash cow to preserve their liberal culture in management. As we all know that's what shareholders demand.

I'm Calling for the re-instatement of CC's self imposed ban from the political forum.

[MultiTroll]

I think A&E was just looking for an excuse to dump Duck Dynasty even though they have made millions on the show. The liberal culture at A&E management thought that DD would be an expose on the redneck buffoons that "cultured" people could laugh at like Honey Boo Boo. They never dreamed they would reach cult like status and be the most popular show on cable. It actually turned out to be an embarrassment for A&E management. By doing it this way the DD crew quits and breaks their contract and A&E gets out cheap.
Interesting.
Maybe we could get a boardie to give a small sample size.
Chump Dumper are you embarrassed that Queer Eye For The Straight Guy was cancelled* and now Duck Dynasty is a ratings hit?
*It certainly was a ratings hit before being cut.

[Spurminator]

It's just puzzling to me how a guy accurately paraphrasing Corinthians 6: 9-10 could outrage all you faggots.

tbh none of the "outrage" really started until the guy was suspended from his television show... at which point Bibleville started incessantly bitching about the First Amendment and the decaying morality in America.

This story would've barely registered if it had been limited to GLAAD being upset.

[CosmicCowboy]

I like the way he assumes A&E would just drop a cash cow to preserve their liberal culture in management. As we all know that's what shareholders demand.

I'm Calling for the re-instatement of CC's self imposed ban from the political forum.

:lmao

A&E suspended him for accurately paraphrasing the Bible in an interview unrelated to the show.

Earth to Pusher...the guy was expressing his religious beliefs.

The fact that he was religious should have been no surprise to A&E.

The pandering to the G & L caucus is proof enough of liberal bias in management.

[Spurminator]

Guess Cracker Barrel must be a liberally biased company as well.

[ChumpDumper]

Interesting.
Maybe we could get a boardie to give a small sample size.
Chump Dumper are you embarrassed that Queer Eye For The Straight Guy was cancelled* and now Duck Dynasty is a ratings hit?
*It certainly was a ratings hit before being cut.I'm more embarrassed for you and your sad obsession.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

A&E suspended him for accurately paraphrasing the Bible in an interview unrelated to the show.

Earth to Pusher...the guy was expressing his religious beliefs.

The fact that he was religious should have been no surprise to A&E.

The pandering to the G & L caucus is proof enough of liberal bias in management.lol unrelated to the show

lol pandering

[CosmicCowboy]

Guess Cracker Barrel must be a liberally biased company as well.

Might want to refresh. CB already changed their mind.

[Spurminator]

Might want to refresh. CB already changed their mind.

Why'd they remove them in the first place?

Also, did you catch the Duck Dynasty marathon on A&E this weekend?

[CosmicCowboy]

Why'd they remove them in the first place?

Also, did you catch the Duck Dynasty marathon on A&E this weekend?

CB probably fired the liberal douchebag that made the initial decision.

And, no, I have never watched a single episode of DD. Probably won't.

In fact, I have never watched a single episode of "reality TV" of any kind.

[CosmicCowboy]

Actually, I take that back. I watched a "hunting show" that I guided the "hunters". It was funny as hell. The show was nothing like what really happened.

[ChumpDumper]

CB probably fired the liberal douchebag that made the initial decision.Probably wrong on both counts.

[Creepn]

I like the way he assumes A&E would just drop a cash cow to preserve their liberal culture in management.

That is the thinking of some CosmicCowboy related minds in the NFL forum regarding the influx of black qbs, that the NFL commissioner and team owners are on some liberal agenda to promote black qbs in the league (it's not because they can actually play the position, impossible). Why would you risk your fan base, revenue, and the Superbowl to pursue some agenda that may hurt your team by willingly playing black qb's that can't play?

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol

It's always about race with Creepn and Trill.

[CitizenDwayne]

:lol

It's always about race with Creepn and Trill.

Considering "black people" and "civil rights" are both in the title of this thread, I think bringing up race is appropriate.

[boutons_deux]

:lol

It's always about race with Creepn and Trill.

PR spewed the current Confederate myth that the blacks were happy, contented, not singing the blues, under slavery before the "War of Northern Aggression".

So the thread is about race, and equally mythical Christ-justified homophobia.

[SnakeBoy]

CB probably fired the liberal douchebag that made the initial decision.

And, no, I have never watched a single episode of DD. Probably won't.

In fact, I have never watched a single episode of "reality TV" of any kind.

The only reality show I watch is Gold Rush...you'd probably like it.

[boutons_deux]

so now Fox/Repugs/pit bull bitch/etc are pro-employee? and against corporations right to fire anybody anytime for any reason, and without notice, escorted off premises by police?

But they are pro-corporation for imposing Corporate-Americans' morals on their (hobby lobby, catholic hospitals, etc) employees?

Honesty is the best policy, best because failing to keep all their lies and propaganda consistent, logical is fucking impossible, and hilarious.

[boutons_deux]

a bunch of yuppies grew beards, dressed in camo, speak stupid shit, and suckered totally the entire Confederate nation, and red state bubbas everywhere. :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

A&E has every right in the world to fuck themselves out of hundreds of millions of dollars by killing the show over their fear of offending gays and lesbians.

Lets get rid of the guy that says he honestly doesn't understand preferring a guys asshole over a woman's vagina.

[Trill Clinton]

:lol

It's always about race with Creepn and Trill.

http://i42.tinypic.com/352g2gi.pngthis thread is about an old idiot and his racist rhetoric. we didn't bring race into this, you ninkapoop.

[CosmicCowboy]

http://i42.tinypic.com/352g2gi.pngthis thread is about an old idiot and his racist rhetoric. we didn't bring race into this, you ninkapoop.

Specific racial rhetoric? That he was white and poor and worked side by side with blacks that were poor and they weren't angry little bitches like you and Creepn?

[diego]

[QUOTE=BradLohaus;7021929]Oh and remember what happened to James Watson some years ...


You might want to read up on James watson. A lot of people consider him a fraud. Also, discovering something or even being really really smart doesn't prevent or immunize you to stupidity. I would go so far as to say that the most intelligent knowledgeable people I know are also the most socially insensitive and unhappy people I know.

[Trill Clinton]

Specific racial rhetoric? That he was white and poor and worked side by side with blacks that were poor and they weren't angry little bitches like you and Creepn?

it was a racist and offensive statement to think that blacks were jolly and happy whilst picking cotton, fuck outta here. you gotta be stubborn or feigning ignorance to even believe there was nothing racist about what he said.

[CosmicCowboy]

it was a racist and offensive statement to think that blacks were jolly and happy whilst picking cotton, fuck outta here. you gotta be stubborn or feigning ignorance to even believe there was nothing racist about what he said.

Is this more reading comprehension fail from Trill? What a surprise. Nobody said anything about picking cotton.

Fucking dumbass.

[CosmicCowboy]

Do you REALLY have a college degree? Damn, the system really HAS gone to shit.

[Trill Clinton]

Is this more reading comprehension fail from Trill? What a surprise. Nobody said anything about picking cotton.

Fucking dumbass.

last response to your slow ass lol. do you even know what you're trying to defend??? did you read his dumb ass statement?

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson told GQ writer Drew Margary. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."--phil robertson

[Trill Clinton]

do YOU have a degree? looks like all you're doing in here is blindly defending a racist/homophobic backwoods yuppie with a beard. at least read up on the shit he said before you stick your dirty ass foot in your mouth.

[CosmicCowboy]

last response to your slow ass lol. do you even know what you're trying to defend??? did you read his dumb ass statement?

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson told GQ writer Drew Margary. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."--phil robertson

So they weren't picking cotton.

Try reading it a third time. Maybe it will sink in.

[Trill Clinton]

now you're playing semantics lol. mental midget.

[CosmicCowboy]

On second thought, I doubt it. You are just determined to be an ignorant motherfucker and proud of it.

[CosmicCowboy]

now you're playing semantics lol. mental midget.

He said they were all poor and black and white worked side by side and no one was unhappy.

Are you saying it's impossible to be black and happy?

[Trill Clinton]

you're a mental midget. you've been reduced to arguing semantics and there is nothing more for us to talk about on this subject, mm. you can deflect all on your own. i'm sure phill is proud of the work you've done in this thread.

[CosmicCowboy]

Run, Run, Run away bitch. :lmao

You crack me up.

You ARE the biggest racist in this forum.

[MultiTroll]

On Saturday, Cracker Barrel pulled "Duck Dynasty" products (http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/12/22/cracker-barrel-oops-were-putting-duck-dynasty-products-back-on-our-shelves/) from its shelves — and on Sunday, the comfort food chain put them back. "When we made the decision to remove and evaluate certain Duck Dynasty items, we offended many of our loyal customers," a statement explained. "You told us we made a mistake… You wrote, you called, and you took to social media to express your thoughts and feelings. You flat-out told us we were wrong. We listened. Today, we are putting all our 'Duck Dynasty' products back in our stores. And we apologize for offending you."

[boutons_deux]

cracker barrel, fake "country" casual dining and decor, shitty menu, down-market customers who believe, like Phil, homophobia, slavery, racism are all AOK, even encouraged by and proof of their Christianity, because their fairy tale Bible and their money grubbing, suckering preachers tell them so.

[DeadlyDynasty]

That is the thinking of some CosmicCowboy related minds in the NFL forum regarding the influx of black qbs, that the NFL commissioner and team owners are on some liberal agenda to promote black qbs in the league (it's not because they can actually play the position, impossible). Why would you risk your fan base, revenue, and the Superbowl to pursue some agenda that may hurt your team by willingly playing black qb's that can't play?
At least 3 of them lost their starting jobs due to poor performance--maybe more if I really think about. Nearly half of the BQ's starting the season are now holding clipboards. Yikes.

[Creepn]

At least 3 of them lost their starting jobs due to poor performance--maybe more if I really think about. Nearly half of the BQ's starting the season are now holding clipboards. Yikes.
There aren'tt hat many black qbs but half of the black qbs in the nfc went to the playoffs last year. 1 went to the superbowl with less than twelve starts and lost due to an uncalled PI. This year, two of them are division Champions with the Seahawks being heavy favorites to win it all this year. Michael Vick is old and battered so it's expected he'd be bench.

Just like with white qbs, they aren't all going to be successful though.

[ChumpDumper]

A&E has every right in the world to fuck themselves out of hundreds of millions of dollars by killing the show over their fear of offending gays and lesbians.

Lets get rid of the guy that says he honestly doesn't understand preferring a guys asshole over a woman's vagina.Who said anything about killing the show?

[Spurminator]

LOL @ killing the show. Next season is going to be its best-rated ever thanks to this non-issue. A&E is laughing all the way to the bank.

[Nbadan]

Okay, here’s the deal. A&E hires some religious right gun totin’ self-professed rednecks from the back bayous of Louisiana and then acts shocked, shocked I tell you, when they say something religious right gun totin’ self-professed redneck.

Have you ever seen a person of color on that show? No, you have not. And how do women have a say in family matters? By hoochy only. And why does that one brother never appear on the show? Uh, maybe he’s in the closet?

While the Dixie Chicks are not entitled to the First Amendment, rednecks are. You gotta keep the rules right.

This is not a first amendment matter. This is a free enterprise matter.

If this family thinks gays are going to hell and blacks were perfectly happy to be slaves, then they are going to be mighty lonely in the great hereafter. Nobody is gonna wanna be around when Sweet Jesus gives them a talkin’-to.

http://www.juanitajean.com/2013/12/22/i-know-you-want-to-talk-about-this/

[Jacob1983]

Why didn't the dumbass have a free speech clause in his contract?

[SnakeBoy]

LOL @ killing the show. Next season is going to be its best-rated ever thanks to this non-issue. A&E is laughing all the way to the bank.

Yeah they've been running a DD marathon for the past few days. Don't think they'll be killing the show anytime soon. This whole thing is probably a pre-planned marketing ploy.

[ChumpDumper]

Seems to me Christmas/New Years is a mighty convenient time to get suspended.

[russellgoat]

"why associate the war on poverty with the civil right movement"

because they were both part of the 1960s progress that conservatives/racists/Repug/VRWC hate as much as they hate the progress of the 1930s (FDR, Glass-steagall, SS, FDIC, union legalization/protection, government counter-cyclical stimulus).

It's ALL class (including race) warfare, the JEW 1% vs all-colors 99%.




FTFY

[BradLohaus]

[QUOTE=BradLohaus;7021929]Oh and remember what happened to James Watson some years ...


You might want to read up on James watson. A lot of people consider him a fraud. Also, discovering something or even being really really smart doesn't prevent or immunize you to stupidity. I would go so far as to say that the most intelligent knowledgeable people I know are also the most socially insensitive and unhappy people I know.

I know that many think that Crick did the heavy lifting for Watson, but to call him a fraud is a stretch. Also, think about your last sentence.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah they've been running a DD marathon for the past few days. Don't think they'll be killing the show anytime soon. This whole thing is probably a pre-planned marketing ploy.


The hypocrisy is hilarious.

Phil is bad. He is offensive to gays. We suspended him.

Lets do a Phil MARATHON this weekend!

[pgardn]

Archie, working class poor urban white bigot, was entertaining, fascinating because he was so politically incorrect. The show had the edginess, daring, beyond the boundaries that moved passed conventional saccharine shit like the Dick Van Dyke/Mary Tyler Moore show.

George J was middle class, respectable urban black always in a suit and tie with his wife, friends always really well dressed, again a jarring, unconventional image compared to unemployed, poor blacks, and black hoods ravaging, eg NYC, Philly, Baltimore, in the 70s, living in "the (disastrous) projects", slums, Bed-Stuy. Sanford and Sons was just funny.

All fake, just like all TV, esp all TV "reality shows", including the fake Duck Dynasty.

They had both meathead and Archie perform obvious contradictory actions based on the character stereotype.

The life full of obvious contradictions should be familiar to you.
Check that, substitute oblivious for familiar.

[SupremeGuy]

All this thread tells me is that the OP desperately needs to change his tampon.

[pgardn]

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/131220-palin-a-forceful-advocate-for-free-speech.jpg

ethered

If McCain had won and then died, it would have been very interesting Presidency to observe.

No. No it wouldn't have...

[boutons_deux]

They had both meathead and Archie perform obvious contradictory actions based on the character stereotype.

The life full of obvious contradictions should be familiar to you.
Check that, substitute oblivious for familiar.


The Great Boutons is really up pgarden nose

[boutons_deux]

Sarah Palin: ‘I haven’t read’ Duck Dynasty interview but anus remark is ‘quoting the Gospel“I haven’t read the article,” Palin admitted, clearing her throat. “I don’t know exactly how he said it. But, Greta, what he was doing was in response to a question about a lifestyle that he disagrees with. And yet he has said over and over again, he doesn’t hate the person engaging in a lifestyle he disagrees with. But in response, he was quoting the Gospel.”


“So people who are so insulted and offended by what he said, evidently, are offended by what he was quoting in the Gospel. So that’s another interesting aspect in all of this.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/24/sarah-palin-i-havent-read-duck-dynasty-interview-but-anus-remark-is-quoting-the-gospel/

[DeadlyDynasty]

There aren'tt hat many black qbs but half of the black qbs in the nfc went to the playoffs last year. 1 went to the superbowl with less than twelve starts and lost due to an uncalled PI. This year, two of them are division Champions with the Seahawks being heavy favorites to win it all this year. Michael Vick is old and battered so it's expected he'd be bench.

Just like with white qbs, they aren't all going to be successful though.

Uncalled PI?...of course you would make an excuse for a guy being unable to convert from inside the 10 with 4 chances left. All Baltimore did on that last series was make sure to keep him in the pocket. Pass was uncatchable too--maybe if he was Megatron he could've grabbed it. Your football takes are historically awful (see Jamarus Russell wasn't given a fair shake, Ray Lewis was the real MVP of last SB) though, so it's understandable.

Of the 3 you're hitching your wagon to this postseason, well...you know what? This stat is too good to be true that I'm saving it for the NFL Forum. Do follow me to the NFL Forum and comment, though.

[DeadlyDynasty]

btw, last I checked only Kaep OR Wilson is guaranteed a division title going into Week 17...Panthers still have to win on the road at ATL.

[m>s]

"If McCain had won"

nope thankfully

[CitizenDwayne]

The hypocrisy is hilarious.

Phil is bad. He is offensive to gays. We suspended him.

Lets do a Phil MARATHON this weekend!

No doubt that there is a lot of hypocrisy on the part of A&E. They are exploiting the success of the same man they're condemning as a bigot.

However, I have to wonder: why do all conservatives seem to come out of the woodwork to defend these people? It has nothing to do with freedom of speech; no one is trying to take that away from him. But there are consequences when you say controversial things; this should be obvious.

You can't seriously believe his comments weren't in poor taste.

[boutons_deux]

corporate-Amercans have nothing in their articles of incorporation or objectives that says be ethical or moral. Their overwhelming priority and responsibility is profit.

C-As programming will blow which ever way the money wind blows them. "all publicity is good publicity"

Anybody hear of any advertisers pulling ads from A&E (the the only "ethic" driving A&E) they way the pulled ads from Limbaugh, or quit contributing to SYG/kill-the-n!gg@s ALEC?

[angrydude]

No doubt that there is a lot of hypocrisy on the part of A&E. They are exploiting the success of the same man they're condemning as a bigot.

However, I have to wonder: why do all conservatives seem to come out of the woodwork to defend these people? It has nothing to do with freedom of speech; no one is trying to take that away from him. But there are consequences when you say controversial things; this should be obvious.

You can't seriously believe his comments weren't in poor taste.

It's more of a knee-jerk reaction to GLAAD trying to label the opposite side of their argument as hate speech in the cultural arena in order to silence it.

[boutons_deux]

It's more of a knee-jerk reaction to GLAAD trying to label the opposite side of their argument as hate speech in the cultural arena in order to silence it.

At this advanced point of the "Christian" culture wars, the only category for Phil and other white trash expressing his ideas is the hate category.

GLAAD and most of America is on the winning PROGRESSIVE side of letting LGBT alone and giving them equal rights, while the "Christian" haters and the asshholes who exploit their hate for money and politics are losing, gonna lose. Banning same sex marriage even in a Repug backwater like Indiana (and Utah) is not automatic.

[CitizenDwayne]

GLAAD trying to label the opposite side of their argument as hate speech

Ever think perhaps they're right?

[Creepn]

Uncalled PI?...of course you would make an excuse for a guy being unable to convert from inside the 10 with 4 chances left. All Baltimore did on that last series was make sure to keep him in the pocket. Pass was uncatchable too--maybe if he was Megatron he could've grabbed it. Your football takes are historically awful (see Jamarus Russell wasn't given a fair shake, Ray Lewis was the real MVP of last SB) though, so it's understandable.

Of the 3 you're hitching your wagon to this postseason, well...you know what? This stat is too good to be true that I'm saving it for the NFL Forum. Do follow me to the NFL Forum and comment, though.

Lol my football takes are terrible? My predictions and takes were on point the rest of the way until the very last seconds of the SB. You ate so much crow last year that I'm suprised you didn't turn into one. ":cry Greenbay has easiest route to the Superbowl because all the games are against black qbs." How did that turn out for you? I don't feel like posting your other gems regarding Russell Wilson and Cam but you are currently eating crow about that as well.

[boutons_deux]

Phil Robertson, Duck Dynasty, and the White Trash Politics of the Republican Party

For people such as Phil Robertson, and the white conservatives who share his particular type of myopic and ahistorical whiteness, the full liberty and freedom of black Americans, especially as demonstrated through the use of our citizenship rights to redress grievances by struggling for full equality, is morally objectionable.

Robertson and his Duck Dynasty clan are a depiction of how a writer and show-runner have chosen to represent white trash America. How can a network then feign surprise when an actor gives the very performance it has solicited?

As one more example of how a debased politics have become almost inseparable from the public spectacle that is the mass media, Robertson’s observations about how “lazy” and “complaining” black Americans have been “ruined” by “entitlements” are none too different from what prominent Republicans and the Right-wing media have being saying for decades about the black community.

The Republicans’ “Southern Strategy” was/is predicated on overt and covert signals to white racial resentment and bigotry such as those channeled by Phil Robertson. Ronald Reagan had his “welfare queens” and “strapping young bucks”. Romney had his "makers" and "takers" and lecturing the NAACP about seeking handouts. Newt Gingrich and other “compassionate conservatives” want to give black and brown children mops and brooms so they do not become lazy social parasites like their fecund, breeding, irresponsible parents.

Bloviators like Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter, O’Reilly, and other Right-wing talkers are obsessed with a narrative of black insolence, laziness, broken homes, bad culture, and a return to the “good old days” before the Great Society and “liberals” made African-Americans into a group of ingrates and complainers.

“News” outlets such as Fox News, Right-wing talk radio, conservative social media and websites, as well as even once “respectable” publications such as the National Review, have at one time or another mirrored Robertson’s claims about black Americans.

Here, black conservatives are the worst offenders in perpetrating the White lie of a benign Jim and Jane Crow and slavery, in a political blackface routine wherein the Democratic Party is some type of “plantation”, and African-Americans--who of course lack any sort of agency or intelligence to act in their own political self-interest--have been ruined by the Civil Rights Movement.

The post civil rights era Republican Party is a neo-Confederate organization that (now) openly embraces the White Supremacist language and symbols of the antebellum South. Consequently, Robertson is a perfect spokesperson for the Tea Party GOP in the Age of Obama.

There is no greater sin in post civil rights America than that of calling a white person a racist--even when it is earned and appropriate. Bigotry pays well in America. Racially resentful white folks will ensure that Phil Robertson will be even more popular than before. He, like the Republican Party, is their unofficial spokesman, and white racism always takes care of its own.

http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/chaunceydevega/phil-robertson-duck-dynasty-and-white-trash-politics-republican-party?page=entire

So how do you racist white trash here in SpursTalk, clutchin your Bibles and guns while defending white trash Phil, respond? :lol

[Trill Clinton]

Phil Robertson, Duck Dynasty, and the White Trash Politics of the Republican Party

For people such as Phil Robertson, and the white conservatives who share his particular type of myopic and ahistorical whiteness, the full liberty and freedom of black Americans, especially as demonstrated through the use of our citizenship rights to redress grievances by struggling for full equality, is morally objectionable.

Robertson and his Duck Dynasty clan are a depiction of how a writer and show-runner have chosen to represent white trash America. How can a network then feign surprise when an actor gives the very performance it has solicited?

As one more example of how a debased politics have become almost inseparable from the public spectacle that is the mass media, Robertson’s observations about how “lazy” and “complaining” black Americans have been “ruined” by “entitlements” are none too different from what prominent Republicans and the Right-wing media have being saying for decades about the black community.

The Republicans’ “Southern Strategy” was/is predicated on overt and covert signals to white racial resentment and bigotry such as those channeled by Phil Robertson. Ronald Reagan had his “welfare queens” and “strapping young bucks”. Romney had his "makers" and "takers" and lecturing the NAACP about seeking handouts. Newt Gingrich and other “compassionate conservatives” want to give black and brown children mops and brooms so they do not become lazy social parasites like their fecund, breeding, irresponsible parents.

Bloviators like Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter, O’Reilly, and other Right-wing talkers are obsessed with a narrative of black insolence, laziness, broken homes, bad culture, and a return to the “good old days” before the Great Society and “liberals” made African-Americans into a group of ingrates and complainers.

“News” outlets such as Fox News, Right-wing talk radio, conservative social media and websites, as well as even once “respectable” publications such as the National Review, have at one time or another mirrored Robertson’s claims about black Americans.

Here, black conservatives are the worst offenders in perpetrating the White lie of a benign Jim and Jane Crow and slavery, in a political blackface routine wherein the Democratic Party is some type of “plantation”, and African-Americans--who of course lack any sort of agency or intelligence to act in their own political self-interest--have been ruined by the Civil Rights Movement.

The post civil rights era Republican Party is a neo-Confederate organization that (now) openly embraces the White Supremacist language and symbols of the antebellum South. Consequently, Robertson is a perfect spokesperson for the Tea Party GOP in the Age of Obama.

There is no greater sin in post civil rights America than that of calling a white person a racist--even when it is earned and appropriate. Bigotry pays well in America. Racially resentful white folks will ensure that Phil Robertson will be even more popular than before. He, like the Republican Party, is their unofficial spokesman, and white racism always takes care of its own.

http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/chaunceydevega/phil-robertson-duck-dynasty-and-white-trash-politics-republican-party?page=entire

So how do you racist white trash here in SpursTalk, clutchin your Bibles and guns while defending white trash Phil, respond? :lol



well got dayum!

[benefactor]

...and he's back. Moar money!!!

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/ae-phil-robertson-return-duck-dynasty/story?id=21352819

[Nbadan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcnFijWCAAA9_wC.jpg

[Oh, Gee!!]

A&E is the big winner in all of this. They didn't lose a minute of filming, and have generated so much nationwide interest in the show. The new season premiere will probably be the highest rated cable viewing ever, and I'd bet "Duck Dynasty" gear flew off the shelves this Christmas. Meanwhile, you know they're planning new shows about rednecks/hillbillies to entice the audience with during the new season premiere. Who knows, maybe they'll even throw in a new show about a gay redneck family.

[benefactor]

I wouldn't be surprised if A&E told him to say what he said to GQ in the interview...knowing it would create an uproar that would benefit them all financially. Hell, just look at how much Dan Cathy made of the gullible religious crowd that loves to hate homosexuals.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/131220-palin-a-forceful-advocate-for-free-speech.jpg

ethered
So basically Sarah Palin is no different than any other politician. Not shocked tbh.

[boutons_deux]

So basically Sarah Palin is no different than any other politician. Not shocked tbh.

false, she's extremely stupid, ignorant.

Her abuse of language is linked to her fucked up brain.

There are other Repug asshole politicians on her end of the stupid spectrum, but she and Bachman are in a class of their own.

that she still has a following, some influence in the Repug/tea bagger ranks, proves just how fucking stupid, ignorant the Repug base is.

[leemajors]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/12/30/phil_robertson_on_marriage_duck_dynasty_star_advis ed_men_to_find_15_year.html


His advice for a happy marriage is to make like R. Kelly and hang out in high-school parking lots. "You got to marry these girls when they are about 15 or 16. They'll pick your ducks." (No, "pick your ducks" is not sexual innuendo—Robertson is talking about cleaning the feathers off of dead birds, a miserable task often left to women to perform.) "You need to check with mom and dad about that of course," sage Robertson wisely advises, but he does not explain how to convince the parents of teenage girls to let them marry grown men who are tired of cleaning their own dead birds.