NBA Considering Overhaul to Draft System

[cd021]

"Every team would pick in the top six every five seasons, and at least once in the top 12 every four years. For example: The team slotted No. 1 in the initial season would then pick at 30, 19, 18, 17, 6, 25, 23, 14, 11 over the next nine years. Lowe’s piece includes a graphic to illustrated the entire cycle."


http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2013/12/23/nba-considering-alternative-to-draft-lottery/

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/86940/the-nbas-possible-solution-for-tanking-good-bye-to-the-lottery-hello-to-the-wheel

This could help us in our "Post Big 3" Parker will be 33 when Duncan and Ginobili's contract expires. Along with Splitter and (presumably Leonard) we could still be a playoff team and land a top pick at the same time.

[rascal]

They should put all the teams on a wheel and spin those numbers and what ever number a team lands on that is their pick. One spin for the draft and televise it. Do the same thing every year. A team can't draft 1st two years in a row.

[rascal]

The new system will favor the big money market teams. They can add stars via free agency and still get top draft picks as well. And the spurs can miss the playoffs and get a low pick. Small market teams like the spurs who have to build through the draft (will be having some lean years after Duncan retires) will have a harder time landing the franchise player who could turn the team around with the new system. And Splitter, Leonard and an older parker will not be a playoff core team.

[cd021]

The new system will favor the big money market teams. They can add stars via free agency and still get top draft picks as well. And the spurs can miss the playoffs and get a low pick. Small market teams like the spurs who have to build through the draft (will be having some lean years after Duncan retires) will have a harder time landing the franchise player who could turn the team around with the new system. And Splitter, Leonard and an older parker will not be a playoff core team.

That depends on alot. The Mavs, The Lakers, The Grizzlies, The Kings and the Wolves all could be worse in 3 seasons. Its really hard to say how well our trio would do or what the West will look like.

[cd021]

On one hand it would keep teams from bottoming out. On the other hand it would keep very good teams from simply fading due to age or other factors. Teams can continue to play at a high level with out going through a full rebuild.

[rascal]

That depends on alot. The Mavs, The Lakers, The Grizzlies, The Kings and the Wolves all could be worse in 3 seasons. Its really hard to say how well our trio would do or what the West will look like.

Three years is a long way out. Once Duncan leaves the spurs are going to fall fast and hard. Too many in here think the spurs will not miss a beat after Duncan retires and continue to be a contender. if Parker, Splitter and Leonard are the top 3 players that won't be a playoff team. Don't know how you can figure the lakers to be worse in 3 years. The lakers will be rebuilt by then with cap space and some big free agent signings.

[TheGoldStandard]

Terrible idea, drafting the #1 pick doesn't always grant you a franchise player, look at Cleveland the last few years and what it has given them. It has to do with the FO and how they construct teams, the way the League would restructure would mean FO's who know how to maximize the best out of what they can get will take advantage of drafting high.

[cd021]

Three years is a long way out. Once Duncan leaves the spurs are going to fall fast and hard. Too many in here think the spurs will not miss a beat after Duncan retires and continue to be a contender. if Parker, Splitter and Leonard are the top 3 players that won't be a playoff team. Don't know how you can figure the lakers to be worse in 3 years. The lakers will be rebuilt by then with cap space and some big free agent signings.
Of course Duncan will be missed but I'm not sold on us being out of the playoffs the season after he retires.

Like I said, there is no telling how the West will look in 3 seasons. There is also no telling how our team will look or how Parker will age. If any of our over seas draft prospects pan out or we have another successful pick in any of the upcoming drafts.

The Lakers have had lean years, in between the great ones. They missed the post seasons twice before acquiring Pau Gasol. The cap space is largely held by Kobe and Nash who make up more than half of the teams cap next season. Kevin Love or Carmelo are the only options besides Deng from Chicago in terms of All stars hitting the open market. Most of them have either been locked up long term (Hibbert, George, Cousins, Wall etc.) Carmelo and an aging Kobe certainly wouldn't make a lot of sense playing together. Love could have several options, not just L.A. after next season. And Deng could resign with the Bulls.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Three years is a long way out. Once Duncan leaves the spurs are going to fall fast and hard. Too many in here think the spurs will not miss a beat after Duncan retires and continue to be a contender. if Parker, Splitter and Leonard are the top 3 players that won't be a playoff team. Don't know how you can figure the lakers to be worse in 3 years. The lakers will be rebuilt by then with cap space and some big free agent signings.

Always the pessimist, fuck off

Nobody listen to this fagget, last year during the WCF vs Memphis Rascal said


I hope the spurs get beat

[lefty]

They should put all the teams on a wheel and spin those numbers and what ever number a team lands on that is their pick. One spin for the draft and televise it. Do the same thing every year. A team can't draft 1st two years in a row.
" And ... Wiggins to Cleveland ...omg what a coincidence ! "

[hsxvvd]

Yet another disadvantage to small market teams. They can't keep them as it stands, and now they trying to make it tougher for them to be able to draft them. Ridiculous.

[rascal]

Yet another disadvantage to small market teams. They can't keep them as it stands, and now they trying to make it tougher for them to be able to draft them. Ridiculous.

This can be bad for parity. Teams can draft the top player superstars on rookie contracts and still field a team of star free agents.

[rascal]

Terrible idea, drafting the #1 pick doesn't always grant you a franchise player, look at Cleveland the last few years and what it has given them. It has to do with the FO and how they construct teams, the way the League would restructure would mean FO's who know how to maximize the best out of what they can get will take advantage of drafting high.

Franchise all time future great players like Duncan when they come along will still be drafted at the top so if you are in the right year drafting near the top matters. Drafting near the top better than drafting near the bottom.

[rascal]

Always the pessimist, fuck off

Nobody listen to this fagget, last year during the WCF vs Memphis Rascal said

Taken out of context. I don't care if the current Spurs win another title. It doesn't change my life at all if they win or lose and it is just not that big of a deal. I hope Pop and the front office get out and a new front office comes in that aren't afraid to get athletic players. I have also grown to dislike many on this board. I have seen enough through the years to know that many in here come out like classless assholes if you say anything negative about the spurs.

[Bruno]

Before thinking about changing the current draft system, you had to wonder if the current system is broken. It would be broken if tons of teams were tanking. This year, and while the 2014 draft is said to be great, only 2 teams (Jazz and Sixers) have decided to tank.

The 2011 CBA really reduce the temptations to tank for NBA team because it make it very costly with two big changes:
- Minimum team salary has been raised from 75% to 90% of the salary cap. A team can't balance the low income generated by tanking with a low team salary.
- In the new revenue sharing system, teams have a revenue target to reach. If they don't generate enough money, which happen if they tank, they are financially penalized.

It's likely the current system might need a little tweaking, but it certainly doesn't need a change that big. Bad teams getting high draft pick is a key to keep a relative competitive balance in the NBA.

[AFBlue]

After reading the article, it doesn't seem like a poorly constructed alternative. I don't think the current system is particularly broken, but there are some advantages...most notably you could include draft position in your long-term roster strategy.

[rascal]

This will give the big money teams an advantage because they can sign the big named free agents and still draft the top players at the same rate as the bottom dwelling teams.

[cd021]

My Idea

Cut the lottery from 14 to 8 teams

Those 8 teams are entered into the lottery

After the order is determined, the other 6 picks will be up for grabs in another drawing amongst those 8 teams. For example; Milwaukee could land the 2nd and 10 pick, or Utah the 3rd and 9th pick.

The very worst teams could get two top prospects in the same draft. The two team teams that didn't get 2nd lottery picks would have greater chance to win the lottery by adding more ping pong balls in their favor. The other 6 teams (depending if they are still that bad and how good their picks were) would have a predetermined amount of ping pong balls deducted.

For example; If Charlotte & Orlando only received the #4 & 5 picks and not any of the picks in the #9-14 range. They would have a higher chance to win the following drafts lottery by giving them more ping pong balls.

[cd021]

Another Idea

Lottery trimmed to 8 teams those 8 entered into lottery and select.


The conference that wins the All star game gets the rights to the 9-14 picks

the #1 and #2 seeds in the playoffs get an additional pick (#13 and #14) The last two teams in the playoffs (7th and 8th seed) would receive the 11th and 12th picks. The two teams that finished 9th and 10th would receive the 9th and 10th picks.

Teams get rewarded for success with 2 picks that can help them sustain their success for years to come. Teams that 7th and 8th in the playoff picture would receive additional picks in hopes of improving their standings and rewarding them for successfully making the post season.

The 9th and 10th teams get the best picks (in the 9-14 range) and will be able to get the best available players. A scenario could be that the Grizzlies finish 10th in the West and get the 10th pick and their own pick would rank 17th. So the Grizzlies would have the 10th and 17th picks in the draft. They could even package them together for a higher pick.

[ElNono]

Not sold on this idea, tbh

[hsxvvd]

Fuck it. Every year 1 keeper per team and a huge 12 round Draft. ... Draft day would be awesome!

[Spurs 4 The Win]

This will give the big money teams an advantage because they can sign the big named free agents and still draft the top players at the same rate as the bottom dwelling teams.

There have been threads made about your pessimism and rooting against the Spurs. Taken out of context... fuck off liar

[ducks]

Three years is a long way out. Once Duncan leaves the spurs are going to fall fast and hard. Too many in here think the spurs will not miss a beat after Duncan retires and continue to be a contender. if Parker, Splitter and Leonard are the top 3 players that won't be a playoff team. Don't know how you can figure the lakers to be worse in 3 years. The lakers will be rebuilt by then with cap space and some big free agent signings.

did you think spurs would miss a beat when david robinson retired before they drafted duncan

[TampaDude]

did you think spurs would miss a beat when david robinson retired before they drafted duncan

WHAT??? DRob was still on the Spurs when Duncan joined the team. They won titles together in 1999 and 2003. They were called "The Twin Towers".

[cjw]

That depends on alot. The Mavs, The Lakers, The Grizzlies, The Kings and the Wolves all could be worse in 3 seasons. Its really hard to say how well our trio would do or what the West will look like.

Not to mention there will be a good amount of cap space even accounting for Kawhi's new deal. No superstar in the mix so a championship is nearly impossible, but they're not going to fall off the face of the earth. The front office is already being smart about the future ... Splitter's deal has a declining cap hit to free up more space down the road or to make him a more attractive trade asset should that be the direction they go in.

They've done pretty damn well for having ZERO picks inside the top 20 since Duncan was picked (Leonard wasn't their own pick).

[exstatic]

My Idea

Cut the lottery from 14 to 8 teams

Those 8 teams are entered into the lottery

After the order is determined, the other 6 picks will be up for grabs in another drawing amongst those 8 teams. For example; Milwaukee could land the 2nd and 10 pick, or Utah the 3rd and 9th pick.

The very worst teams could get two top prospects in the same draft. The two team teams that didn't get 2nd lottery picks would have greater chance to win the lottery by adding more ping pong balls in their favor. The other 6 teams (depending if they are still that bad and how good their picks were) would have a predetermined amount of ping pong balls deducted.

For example; If Charlotte & Orlando only received the #4 & 5 picks and not any of the picks in the #9-14 range. They would have a higher chance to win the following drafts lottery by giving them more ping pong balls.

You're just encouraging MORE tanking if a team in the bottom 8 can get TWO lottery picks. Also, what happens to the teams that SHOULD be picking 9-14? Are their picks just bumped back? And everyone else's are bumped back, too? Thanks for pushing the Spurs back into the 30s for their first rounder.

[r0drig0lac]

the only real solution is that all the teams that did not make the playoffs and all teams eliminated in the first round of the playoffs attend the lottery,% with very close as well be the last league or be eliminated in the first round have almost the same chance of catching a lottery, and therefore teams will fight to make the playoffs. And before you say that increasing the difference between the teams, the league today functions to only have 2 or maybe 3 teams with a real chance, so the only real change is that teams need to play not to lose in order to participate in the lottery

[exstatic]

I think they just need to change the lottery back to the way it was. The worst team has 14 chances, and the last lottery team has one. It's SO heavily weighted towards the worst teams now that they are encouraging tanking.

Just put it back the way it was.

[cd021]

You're just encouraging MORE tanking if a team in the bottom 8 can get TWO lottery picks. Also, what happens to the teams that SHOULD be picking 9-14? Are their picks just bumped back? And everyone else's are bumped back, too? Thanks for pushing the Spurs back into the 30s for their first rounder.

the top 6 teams in the league would end up picking 30-36th. I over looked that part. Those 6 teams could be give a second second round pick within the top 42 going from the team with the

Current Top 6 teams in the league

Pacers
Oklahoma City
Spurs
Portland
Miami
Clippers

For example

31. Clippers
32. Miami
33. Portland
34. San Antonio
35. Oklahoma City
36. Indiana
37. Indiana
38.Oklahoma City
39. San Antonio
40. Portland
41. Miami
42. Clippers

This is actually, fairly, similar to another proposed draft change that was floated around a couple of seasons ago (Where every team in the lottery received 2 first round picks and the other half draft picked in the 2nd round).

While the top teams wouldn't be able to pick the 30 best available players. They would be able to get 2 prospects on favorable contracts. Less impactful players, generally, but teams could be willing to take bigger risks with multiple picks (particular teams that have top records for several seasons)

The only proposal that actually would eliminate tanking is the "draft chart". As long as there is a lottery, teams will tank. Limiting the lottery to 8 teams, in theory, could limit the amount of teams that attempt to lose game.

Teams that normally finish just outside of the playoffs would be forced to be more active in the off-season. Instead of making minimal changes and playing out the following season and seeing how they fair. If they fall out of contention for a playoff spot, then they usually start playing younger players in hopes of improving the draft standing.

The idea that the 8 worst teams can get 2 picks inside the top 14, Is a good one. Not fool proof but a good one.

[bluebellmaniac]

The integrity of the game is at stake, you gotta eliminate tanking. I vote for the draft wheel.

[Das Texan]

The product of the NBA in general already sucks, what they really need to do is make the NBADL a true minor league system with each team having their own affiliate and having 5-8 players on those teams under their control.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i hate tanking. but i don't like the idea of set draft position. i think the best fix is every team gets lottery balls. champs get one, runner up 2, champs conference runner up 3, runner up conf. runner up 4, etc. that's about as fair as it can get.

[bluebellmaniac]

i hate tanking. but i don't like the idea of set draft position. i think the best fix is every team gets lottery balls. champs get one, runner up 2, champs conference runner up 3, runner up conf. runner up 4, etc. that's about as fair as it can get.

But that is why teams tank... Kirby pls....

[look_at_g_shred]

But that is why teams tank... Kirby pls....
lol

[timmy2003]

But that is why teams tank... Kirby pls....
Exactly. Teams at the bottom simply don't have much motivation.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

kirby pls?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

set draft order would suck. dismiss and joke all you want. no my idea isn't as good at completely disincentivizing as set draft order. it's better, cause it doesn't scorch the earth like set orders would.

sucky teams need to draft higher. they just need the kick in the butt of a bigger chance of bad luck.

[bluebellmaniac]

kirby pls?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/21376_574130362638253_140756782_n.jpg

[DrunkTXLabrat]

thanks blue. set draft order would blow. it's a fix for tanking, but it's a break for drafting. bad team + bad pick = such a bad team, might as well let em tank.