Kawhi, Worst Basketball of Career

[mookie2001]

No flame just a least favorite player rant. the dude has been pathetic lately. Horrible defense tonight. A whopping 7 pts and 4 rebounds total in the last two games.

Dude gets outplayed by nearly everyone he goes against. He will always be an average defensive specialist at this point. He cannot play on the baseline whatsoever. Still can't dribble. Still can't dance on anyone. Still can't drive. Still no midrange game. He's a 6-6 PF pretending to play the wing

does anyone know if he has seasonal depression or what because his development seems to be retarded


nahh. Don't like em. Give me that old fashioned baldspot

[Juggity]

:cry

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:cry

thats how i feel about how hes playing tbh

[itzsoweezee]

He was a complete badass when it mattered most, so who gives a fuck what you think.

[HarlemHeat37]

He looked great against an elite defender in Iguodala when Parker was out, tbh..

Leonard's game should be like what we saw from Rudy Gay tonight..a lot of face-ups in the mid-post and post plays against smaller defenders..

Unfortunately, he's a spot-up shooter that can't shoot, playing in a lineup with horrible spacing:lol..

[Aremid]

He was a complete badass when it mattered most, so who gives a fuck what you think.

That's why pop needs to run the offense through him. Leonard doesn't suck; Pop is holding him back

[Budkin]

He'll be fine. As long as Manu and Tony are playing at a high level come playoff time, we have a chance to get back to the Finals and get 5.

[Skull-1]

He was a complete badass when it mattered most, so who gives a fuck what you think.


This. Unlike scrub Manu the Heat's MVP, fwiw, tbqh, IMHO.

[apalisoc_9]

Try playing great defense when you're not getting touches. The few times they have decided to throw plays at him in the third he has delivered. He's frustrated mainly because of his REDUCED role in the offensive end this year which obviusly is a direct result of Pop's lack of developing skills as coach towards SF.

Kawhi has been huge against great teams. You clearly haven't been watching much spurs ball this year either.

His lack of playing time this year is a combination of a broken three ball and the fact that pop is playing 28 minutes a game...Treating him like he's tim. There's no doubt in my mind he'll go back playing the most minutes in the playoffs, Pop just expects him to play good without thinking of the consequence of playing a 22 year old less minutes. He's a coach though not a psychologist, so maybe we can't expect pop to figure that one out.

Be happy you have a 22 year old who is still putting some sort of effort defensively despite HOW badly he's treated and despite how under utilized he is dumbbass..

[mookie2001]

Id trade him for Harrison Barnes in a heartbeat. Not all on kawhi but Barnes averaged 20 and 10 against us in the playoffs last year

[apalisoc_9]

Id trade him for Harrison Barnes in a heartbeat. Not all on kawhi but Barnes averaged 20 and 10 against us in the playoffs last year

Good troll job :lol

[RD2191]

Id trade him for Harrison Barnes in a heartbeat. Not all on kawhi but Barnes averaged 20 and 10 against us in the playoffs last year
That was by design you scrub.

[Juggity]

Id trade him for Harrison Barnes in a heartbeat.

:lmao

[Floyd Pacquiao]

He looked great against an elite defender in Iguodala when Parker was out, tbh..

Leonard's game should be like what we saw from Rudy Gay tonight..a lot of face-ups in the mid-post and post plays against smaller defenders..

Unfortunately, he's a spot-up shooter that can't shoot, playing in a lineup with horrible spacing:lol..

this is all that needs to be said really.

[Aremid]

He looked great against an elite defender in Iguodala when Parker was out, tbh..

Leonard's game should be like what we saw from Rudy Gay tonight..a lot of face-ups in the mid-post and post plays against smaller defenders..

Unfortunately, he's a spot-up shooter that can't shoot, playing in a lineup with horrible spacing:lol..

pop needs to realize the system needs to incorporate these plays

[james evans]

He'll be fine. As long as Manu and Tony are playing at a high level come playoff time, we have a chance to get back to the Finals and get 5.
i aint counting on that shit. i hope they do, but i just am not anticipating it.

[timtonymanu]

Harrison Barnes :lmao. Fucking really.

[mookie2001]

Kawhi has peaked. Barnes has more potential. Barnes is better with the ball in his hands. Barnes is bigger. Barnes is not regressing in front of our eyes

[mookie2001]

Fuck you corso go the fuck back to Mexico fatass

[RD2191]

:lmao

[wildchild]

He looked great against an elite defender in Iguodala when Parker was out, tbh..

Leonard's game should be like what we saw from Rudy Gay tonight..a lot of face-ups in the mid-post and post plays against smaller defenders..

Unfortunately, he's a spot-up shooter that can't shoot, playing in a lineup with horrible spacing:lol..

This season when Tony was out and Pop gave Kawhi the green green light...21 points 10 reb 3 assist


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRWp2uNYkM8

[wildchild]

This season Leonard vs Pacers 18 pts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGlfrJ7VmJU

vs Thunder 14 pts 10 reb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTr59df77bE

[thispego]

Every individual on the team has regressed tbh

[td4mvp21]

He was a complete badass when it mattered most, so who gives a fuck what you think.

QFT.

[Jordanobili2320]

Really bad thread. He will be fine, he is a 3rd year player going through a slump. Spurs fans are the most what have you done for me lately fans around. Look at the teams record and shut the fuck up about it.

[313]

Really bad thread. He will be fine, he is a 3rd year player going through a slump. Spurs fans are the most what have you done for me lately fans around. Look at the teams record and shut the fuck up about it.

this

[Kool Bob Love]

Sup mookie.

Hope your happy about running Duncan228 outta ST.

[Ice009]

No flame just a least favorite player rant. the dude has been pathetic lately. Horrible defense tonight. A whopping 7 pts and 4 rebounds total in the last two games.

Dude gets outplayed by nearly everyone he goes against. He will always be an average defensive specialist at this point. He cannot play on the baseline whatsoever. Still can't dribble. Still can't dance on anyone. Still can't drive. Still no midrange game. He's a 6-6 PF pretending to play the wing

does anyone know if he has seasonal depression or what because his development seems to be retarded


nahh. Don't like em. Give me that old fashioned baldspot

I don't like the way he's playing at all. That's not the reason I am posting though. I'm posting to say that you're a complete fuckwit.

[PlayNando]

Every individual on the team has regressed tbh
Manu hasn't. Neither has Patty, Boris, etc.

[siraulo23]

couldnt agree more, tonights game was probably his worst

he's gotta pick it up, 1st step is to hit the gym and get his 3 pt shot back to a respectable %

he's been up and down this season, im not worried but it's his chance since parker obviously isnt even close to 100%

[siraulo23]

Unfortunately, he's a spot-up shooter that can't shoot, playing in a lineup with horrible spacing:lol..

yeah, with spurs starting lineup only has one player who can shoot, now you see green getting some open looks with the 2nd unit and marco in a slump

it's vital for kawhi to shoot the 3 ball well, he's prolly more important to this spurs team as a 3 and D guy when everyones healthy, unfortunately, he's got an in between game thats not consistent and also lost his 3 pt jumper

[PlayNando]

I don't understand what happened to his three-point shot, tbh. He hit threes alright last season, but he started shooting like shat from the 3PT line during the latter part of last season and he's been atrocious this season, considering most of the wanker's attempts are wide open, tbh.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

It's been posted on Spurstalk that the Spurs are on pace to shoot an all tie low amount of FT's. It's pretty sad to think about. Especially when the Spurs have Leonard, he obviously plays better slashing to the hoop and posting up smaller guys. He has the length and hops. Yet for some reason Pop wants him to shoot 3's??? We can't shoot 3's if no one is collapsing the paint. I don't know WTF is going on. I really don't. I don't know what our coaching staff is thinking either. It seems like everyone on the team has regressed in shooting 3's. Why? Obviously because our opponents don't have to commit to stopping any dribble penetration/post play. I don't know what else to say. It seems like we have a fairly easy fix/capable player and solution but Pop isn't exploring it/going to it....

[mute]

Leonard is overrated. People on this site and "causal" fans making him out to be the next max-player or some shit. Honestly, if we can flip him and actually get better, I think we should pull the trigger. I'm not saying he isn't good and that I'm NOT in love with his energy and hustle, but he's not THAT good.

[Raven]

belinelli doing what belinelli does.

[wtgspurs]

I bet if he gets traded to a team like Milwaukee he will start putting up big numbers (18+ppg 7.0+rpg 3.0+apg 2.0spg ) and ya'll will miss him. The truth is, we should appreciate him, you never know what you got until its gone and that's the truth. #Appreciate

[HarlemHeat37]

Even if Leonard's 3-point shot returns to form, the problem will remain that he's just a spot-up shooter in this system, tbh..

[Prime Time]

Kawhi has been the savior for this franchise. Without him, we couldn't even think of nabbing #5. Nuff said

[benefactor]

:lol Harrison Barnes...:lmao

[exstatic]

:lol highest FG% of his career
:lol panic over a miniscule sample size

PUTZ

[skulls138]

Yeah Pop's not utilizing him enough OR he's still got that injury. My question though is why cant he rebound or steal more or block more shots? He should be like an offensive rebounding machine.

[exstatic]

Yeah Pop's not utilizing him enough OR he's still got that injury. My question though is why cant he rebound or steal more or block more shots? He should be like an offensive rebounding machine.

:lol highest rebounds per game for his career.

[mookie2001]

Anyone know a NBA wing with less ball skills than kawhi? There's Korver, Novak, maybe sam young, Keith bogans. Not good company

spurs are going to need more than 1.0 free throws per game from kawhi. Unbelievable that such a strong, young player, who can easily finish at the rim, cannot get to the line more often

age isn't an excuse anymore. The dude needs to step the hell up because he has not developed properly. He's still deficient in the same old areas

[PingPong]

Kawhi is the Baynes 2.0.

[EVAY]

One of the things you guys have to remember about Leonard is that even though he is only 22, last season he had a nagging knee injury that was responsible for slowing him down late in the year.

Pop is on record as saying that he relied on Parker so much last season that he wore him down, and he doesn't want to repeat that. Don't you think he is dong the same with Kawhi and Tony both this year?

Pop is notorious for keeping his players out of games or out of situations that wear down their bodies. Last year he was so worried about Manu and Tim not being available come Playoff time, he rode Parker and Kawhi into the ground. This year he is gonna try to do it differently.

Of course Kawhi was going to be asked to do more when Tony was out precisely BECAUSE Tony was out, and someone else on the starters needed to pick up Parker's scoring.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Sup mookie.

Hope your happy about running Duncan228 outta ST.

How/why did he do that?

[Skull-1]

Manu hasn't. Neither has Patty, Boris, etc.


Thank goodness Manu hasn't regressed over last season or he would be in the D-League.

[Skull-1]

Kawhi has been the savior for this franchise. Without him, we couldn't even think of nabbing #5. Nuff said


This. The cog we have been missing since Bruce left.

[TheyCallMePro]

Kawhi is:

1) Passive.

2) Not athletic. (Can't jump)

3) Not a good shooter.

4) Shy.

5) Poor ball handler. (Out of control when the ball is in his hands)

Please God don't tell me were gunna pay this guy this summer. His long arms get us a few steals and rebounds more a game, but otherwise, he's just not worth it. The FO needs to make it clear that we'd like to keep him on as a role player--paying between 3-5 million a year, but otherwise, he can go elsewhere.

My guess is Kawhi won't be a Spur next year.

[thispego]

Manu hasn't. Neither has Patty, Boris, etc.

Pfffft, why even mention Manu? He can score 25 against all the scrub teams he wants but he destroyed his legacy in June of last year. I don't give a shit what he does from here on out, the only thing that can save him is to get back to the finals and not commit 30 turnovers or shoot 25%. Patty doesn't count because he was 3rd string and is only as good now as he was in Portland now that he gets minutes. Boris...yeah I guess I'll give you that.

[Arcadian]

I bet if he gets traded to a team like Milwaukee he will start putting up big numbers (18+ppg 7.0+rpg 3.0+apg 2.0spg ) and ya'll will miss him. The truth is, we should appreciate him, you never know what you got until its gone and that's the truth. #Appreciate

Exactly this. He's capable of putting up the big numbers Spur fans want to see, but is simply not utilized in a way that allows him to do it. But that's always been the case with young players on the Spurs, and it does have its benefits. He'll be a lot smarter because of it.

I sincerely hope he remains a Spur, because what the hell are we going to do without him? We have no other small forwards.

[smaka]

I'm waiting for Playkawhi user to pop out soon, tbh.

[exstatic]

Kawhi is:

1) Passive.

2) Not athletic. (Can't jump)

3) Not a good shooter.

4) Shy.

5) Poor ball handler. (Out of control when the ball is in his hands)

Please God don't tell me were gunna pay this guy this summer. His long arms get us a few steals and rebounds more a game, but otherwise, he's just not worth it. The FO needs to make it clear that we'd like to keep him on as a role player--paying between 3-5 million a year, but otherwise, he can go elsewhere.

My guess is Kawhi won't be a Spur next year.

My guess is tha you have no idea how the Spurs operate.

[Chomag]

Bottom line is he has not developed anything this year, but should we be surprised? Hard for a young player to develop on old vet minutes. Throughout the years there has not been many young players that improve all that well without PT.

He needs to be challenged he is like that young student at school that is just coasting and getting held back because he is not motivated by something that challenges him. He could get A's instead of B's, or he could fail the challenge but at least it's something he would be motivated to try and overcome.

[KL2]

Leonard has all star potential, he'll just never reach it in this system with guys like Parker hogging the ball and his coach turning him into a spot up shooter. I hope he leaves the Spurs, he's too good to deal with this BS.

[skulls138]

:lol highest rebounds per game for his career.And? He's gotten better in one area but regressed in another. If you're satisfied with where he is, fine but I want more from him than a rearranged version of the same.

If his three has left him, make it up elsewhere. Really though it needs to come back.

[PlayNando]

This. The cog we have been missing since Bruce left.
Word.........

Timmy + Manu + Tony + Bruce = Big Four..........

Big Four = 3 Titles.......

Big Three = FAIL.

[Skull-1]

Word.........

Timmy + Manu + Tony + Bruce = Big Four..........

Big Four = 3 Titles.......

Big Three = FAIL.

For once we agree. Actually twice now. :toast

[rmt]

Why is a 22-23 year old playing only 28 minutes? He needs time on the court - he's not Duncan's age. Manu should be playing 20 minutes - give his extra 4 minutes to KL and sit Manu on all back-to-backs.

[Skull-1]

Pfffft, why even mention Manu? He can score 25 against all the scrub teams he wants but he destroyed his legacy in June of last year. I don't give a shit what he does from here on out, the only thing that can save him is to get back to the finals and not commit 30 turnovers or shoot 25%. Patty doesn't count because he was 3rd string and is only as good now as he was in Portland now that he gets minutes. Boris...yeah I guess I'll give you that.


Truth nuke from hell. Can't believe I missed this!

[Pako]

Three things ive notice about kawhi After watching the game of Spurs vs Kings @ AT&T:
-hard for him to drive through traffic... He try to use his strength instead of his agility.. He needs to learn alot from manu or parker in this area.
-no plays was set for him to drive through the basket or post up (only one but failed). He only spot up on the corner and grab rebound and run for fastbreak.
-I am not sure if Pop wanted him to focus on defense. Among all players he is the only one i saw who pop always instructed on the sideline how to defend.

[wildbill2u]

If he was going to be a future superstar, he wouldn't keep fading back into the wallpaper after 3 yeas. Six points agains the hapless Nets and one fg was a gimme where he dropped off his man and ran for the basket where he got a long pass from Tiago. Nothing wrong with that, but he's not showing much offense.

If he was going to be a part of a new Big 3 or Big 4, He'd demand the ball and have the proven consecutive game stats for his teammates to give it to him. From the first year, Timmy was able to take over games and David was willing to let him. Kwahi is going to be a very nice role player.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

And? He's gotten better in one area but regressed in another. If you're satisfied with where he is, fine but I want more from him than a rearranged version of the same.

If his three has left him, make it up elsewhere. Really though it needs to come back.

His FG% has gone way up...

[Baam]

If he was going to be a future superstar, he wouldn't keep fading back into the wallpaper after 3 yeas. Six points agains the hapless Nets and one fg was a gimme where he dropped off his man and ran for the basket where he got a long pass from Tiago. Nothing wrong with that, but he's not showing much offense.

If he was going to be a part of a new Big 3 or Big 4, He'd demand the ball and have the proven consecutive game stats for his teammates to give it to him. From the first year, Timmy was able to take over games and David was willing to let him. Kwahi is going to be a very nice role player.

If you want to see what a real potential superstar looks like look at a 18yrs old Antetonkounmpo tbh, picked at 15 like Kiwi except he has a Durant like body, Boris Diaw like passing, a better 3 point shot... Kiwi is a great kid but he is not gonna dominate ever especially without a 3pt shot, he's a 3rd banana at best...

[mookie2001]

6 pts against Brooklyn. He's picking it up now

[KL2]

If he was going to be a future superstar, he wouldn't keep fading back into the wallpaper after 3 yeas. Six points agains the hapless Nets and one fg was a gimme where he dropped off his man and ran for the basket where he got a long pass from Tiago. Nothing wrong with that, but he's not showing much offense.

If he was going to be a part of a new Big 3 or Big 4, He'd demand the ball and have the proven consecutive game stats for his teammates to give it to him. From the first year, Timmy was able to take over games and David was willing to let him. Kwahi is going to be a very nice role player.

He always shows up in big games, always, you act like you didn't watch the playoffs last year. He's not a spot up shooter and that's the bottom line, most all stars aren't, Pop is treating him like Bruce Bowen. He gets 0 plays called for him, 0 screens, inadequate spacing for him to drive, etc. he's pretty much set up for failure because that's not his game.

[DMC]

Its been said, but if you aren't getting touches, the guy guarding you isn't working on defense so you have to work harder on defense to guard him. It's basketball 101.

[UZER]

Even if Leonard's 3-point shot returns to form, the problem will remain that he's just a spot-up shooter in this system, tbh..


It's been posted on Spurstalk that the Spurs are on pace to shoot an all tie low amount of FT's. It's pretty sad to think about. Especially when the Spurs have Leonard, he obviously plays better slashing to the hoop and posting up smaller guys. He has the length and hops. Yet for some reason Pop wants him to shoot 3's??? We can't shoot 3's if no one is collapsing the paint. I don't know WTF is going on. I really don't. I don't know what our coaching staff is thinking either. It seems like everyone on the team has regressed in shooting 3's. Why? Obviously because our opponents don't have to commit to stopping any dribble penetration/post play. I don't know what else to say. It seems like we have a fairly easy fix/capable player and solution but Pop isn't exploring it/going to it....

I've said it a hundred times....Pop does not know what to do with athletic small forwards. Never has. He has a system, and the system requires that position to be a spot up shooter, so that's what he makes them, regardless of their talent.

This is why he never goes after athletic FAs / draft picks. He always tries to sign semi/grounded players.

[exstatic]

I've said it a hundred times....Pop does not know what to do with athletic small forwards. Never has. He has a system, and the system requires that position to be a spot up shooter, so that's what he makes them, regardless of their talent.

This is why he never goes after athletic FAs / draft picks. He always tries to sign semi/grounded players.


You've been wrong, then. Pops system doesn't even have a SF. He has a lead guard, two wings, and two posts. The wings and posts are interchangeable on any given play. I remember that Christmas game that Money Mase won. Manu was supposed to be that wing, but switched off at the last second before the inbounds, sensing a possible better match with the defender guarding the play's other wing position.

[look_at_g_shred]

Kawhi will be Kawhi come April. I just worry about him staying healthy....that's it.

[UZER]

You've been wrong, then. Pops system doesn't even have a SF. He has a lead guard, two wings, and two posts. The wings and posts are interchangeable on any given play. I remember that Christmas game that Money Mase won. Manu was supposed to be that wing, but switched off at the last second before the inbounds, sensing a possible better match with the defender guarding the play's other wing position.

You're right, i said small forward, but its interchangeable with wings, and bigs for that matter. The point is the same. He doesn't no what to do with athletic players. Hell, the most athletic player, which is not saying much, over the last 10 years, Manu, drives Pop crazy. Why? Because he goes outside the system to make plays. Pop wants everything played inside a box, and athletic players step outside that box to make plays.

[exstatic]

You're right, i said small forward, but its interchangeable with wings, and bigs for that matter. The point is the same. He doesn't no what to do with athletic players. Hell, the most athletic player, which is not saying much, over the last 10 years, Manu, drives Pop crazy. Why? Because he goes outside the system to make plays. Pop wants everything played inside a box, and athletic players step outside that box to make plays.

Pop accepted Manu a LONG time ago for exactly what he is: a wildcard. For every bonehead play he makes, he'll nutmeg someone on a pick and roll and throw several perfect half court bounce passes in transition. The way Pop sees it is that if he doesn't know what Manu is doing, the other team can't have a clue, either.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Even if Leonard's 3-point shot returns to form, the problem will remain that he's just a spot-up shooter in this system, tbh..

Except for the post ups and pnr he does. You are like a meme machine though. :toast

[apalisoc_9]

Except for the post ups and pnr he does. You are like a meme machine though. :toast

Post ups and PNR? LMAO

happens only when they need it ( against good teams) and rarely called...The spurs still rely on their system to beat bad to mediocre teams where kawhi is ignored all the time..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You've been wrong, then. Pops system doesn't even have a SF. He has a lead guard, two wings, and two posts. The wings and posts are interchangeable on any given play. I remember that Christmas game that Money Mase won. Manu was supposed to be that wing, but switched off at the last second before the inbounds, sensing a possible better match with the defender guarding the play's other wing position.

Pop has a 2 and a 3 in his system they do not play the same exact roles. It should be obvious from how they handle rebounding, rotations, transition and the like. The 4 and the 5 both can go into the high and low post but they don't do the exact same things.

There is a reason why Kawhi finds himself down by the baseline and green out at the arc. There is a reason why Splitter camps at the baseline just outside of the paint.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Post ups and PNR? LMAO

happens only when they need it ( against good teams) and rarely called...The spurs still rely on their system to beat bad to mediocre teams where kawhi is ignored all the time..

I want you to go read his post again. Then read my post and try again. I will give you a hint: the operative word is 'only.'

[TE]

Pop has a 2 and a 3 in his system they do not play the same exact roles. It should be obvious from how they handle rebounding, rotations, transition and the like. The 4 and the 5 both can go into the high and low post but they don't do the exact same things.

There is a reason why Kawhi finds himself down by the baseline and green out at the arc. There is a reason why Splitter camps at the baseline just outside of the paint.
Good post. I find it weird how some Spurs fan don't know the system and how players interchange yet. Knowing this and the role of players would help to avoid posts like the one you quoted. The majority of these posters would rival Charles Barkley in basketball analysis.

[mookie2001]

Maybe kawhi needs to add a dubstep to his game

count it

[look_at_g_shred]

Chip needs to put in some OT with Kawhi. His form just looks god awful....worse than his rookie campaign.

[ata]

Really bad thread. He will be fine, he is a 3rd year player going through a slump. Spurs fans are the most what have you done for me lately fans around. Look at the teams record and shut the fuck up about it.

He's been playing so good for us, that we are forgeting how young he actually is.

[exstatic]

Pop has a 2 and a 3 in his system they do not play the same exact roles. It should be obvious from how they handle rebounding, rotations, transition and the like. The 4 and the 5 both can go into the high and low post but they don't do the exact same things.

There is a reason why Kawhi finds himself down by the baseline and green out at the arc. There is a reason why Splitter camps at the baseline just outside of the paint.
Right, because Kawhi is NEVER out on the arc, and Danny is NEVER in the corner...oh, wait, yes they ARE. The plays are interchangeable, depending on time on the clock, defender coverage, etc., and can be altered on the fly.

[Brazil]

I don't buy the "he is not getting touches, he is just used at spot up shooters..." this is why he is struggling. It all starts with him, he must now take his responsabilities and ask for the ball. When he is active offensively he gets the touches he needs, we already saw him taking 15 shots with TP, Manu and Tim on the floor. It is just a matter of being aggressive and move without the ball.

He can also make his voice hear in the locker room, after the tons of compliements he received from Pop he has no excuse to not be more vocal with TP or Pop.

[Brazil]

Tp has a lot of difficulties to trust his team mates and at some extent I understand when you had to play with bonner, cornerstone or RMJ tbh... he spent most of his carreer with two simple objectives drive, score at the rim or kick out the ball to whomever is open and feed Duncan in the post. Recently he was doing a lot more than that, problem dude is gassed, when you gassed you don't make anymore the efforts and start to go back on what you think is your comfort zone. This is not helping the team and it won't change unless Pop shut him down for a long period of rest.

[tholdren]

Pop accepted Manu a LONG time ago for exactly what he is: a wildcard. For every bonehead play he makes, he'll nutmeg someone on a pick and roll and throw several perfect half court bounce passes in transition. The way Pop sees it is that if he doesn't know what Manu is doing, the other team can't have a clue, either.

+1

There are literally 100's of things manu does that doesnt get noticed that leads directly to wins and no stats to prove. There is no other player like him in the NBA.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Right, because Kawhi is NEVER out on the arc, and Danny is NEVER in the corner...oh, wait, yes they ARE. The plays are interchangeable, depending on time on the clock, defender coverage, etc., and can be altered on the fly.

Kevin Love must be a 2.

Circumstances overlap but I have seen zero evidence anywhere except for your mouth that the Spurs 'system' doesn't have a 1 through 5 but instead 2 wings and 2 posts to go along with Tony.

[exstatic]

Kevin Love must be a 2.

Circumstances overlap but I have seen zero evidence anywhere except for your mouth that the Spurs 'system' doesn't have a 1 through 5 but instead 2 wings and 2 posts to go along with Tony.

Love doesn't play for the Spurs, but nice attempt at a goal post move/distraction.

Watch more than the games. Pop's talked about it. Tim's talked about it. Manu's talked about it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Love doesn't play for the Spurs, but nice attempt at a goal post move/distraction.

Watch more than the games. Pop's talked about it. Tim's talked about it. Manu's talked about it.

I can recall Pop talking about having different players play the 2, 3, 4, etc. He does it quite often. What I do not recall is your assertion that they have 3 different positions.

You made the claim; back it up.

[Buddy Mignon]

No flame just a least favorite player rant. the dude has been pathetic lately. Horrible defense tonight. A whopping 7 pts and 4 rebounds total in the last two games.

Dude gets outplayed by nearly everyone he goes against. He will always be an average defensive specialist at this point. He cannot play on the baseline whatsoever. Still can't dribble. Still can't dance on anyone. Still can't drive. Still no midrange game. He's a 6-6 PF pretending to play the wing

does anyone know if he has seasonal depression or what because his development seems to be retarded


nahh. Don't like em. Give me that old fashioned baldspot


woah woah woah woah woah woah , NIGGA!!! You wanna site your reference?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226996

[The Reckoning]

kawhi so serious mookie?

[look_at_g_shred]

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3871613/Whi_and_1.gif

[hater]

Sure Kawhi has sucked Nov and Dec. plain sucked. Sure he's overrated over here.

Still I don't trade him. He's still got the potential to play near-allstar this season which is all that's needed from him.

the only big concern IMO is his 3pt shot. you can't help the Spurs at the wing if youre shooting high 20s low 30s. you just can't.

[HarlemHeat37]

Dude gets outplayed by nearly everyone he goes against. He will always be an average defensive specialist at this point. He cannot play on the baseline whatsoever. Still can't dribble. Still can't dance on anyone. Still can't drive. Still no midrange game. He's a 6-6 PF pretending to play the wing

Great take from this fat piece of shit, tbh..

[Darius McCrary]

He did have a very underwhelming season prior to injury.

[SpursFan86]

Id trade him for Harrison Barnes in a heartbeat. Not all on kawhi but Barnes averaged 20 and 10 against us in the playoffs last year

:lmao

[thispego]

Great take from this fat piece of shit, tbh..

lol it was true at the time ya equally fat piece of shit, tbh

[SpursFan86]

lol it was true at the time ya equally fat piece of shit, tbh

Not really. It was mainly just his 3-point shot that was slumping. Judging by this topic you'd think Kawhi was completely worthless and not doing a single thing. Also, lmao at saying Kawhi will never be anything more than an average defensive specialist.

[thispego]

Not really. It was mainly just his 3-point shot that was slumping. Judging by this topic you'd think Kawhi was completely worthless and not doing a single thing. Also, lmao at saying Kawhi will never be anything more than an average defensive specialist.

Pffffft, yah ok :rolleyes. He was completely passive in every part of his game. Be blind though, whatever :lol

Has has been nails lately, fwiw. I don't agree with everything op said, just that he was shit pre injury.

[Baam]

Great take from this fat piece of shit, tbh..

Lol rabid kiwitard bumping every thread like he just won the mvp...

[SpurSwag]

the take on wanting Harrison Barnes over Kawhi is actually one of the funniest things i've ever heard if you look at how both are playing now. Sure that poster had no idea Kawhi would return this well or Barnes would fall off this hard (i mean jesus...) but still lol

[Baam]

Barnes benefited from being guarded by TP last year in the POs but the again Kawhi also faces low defensive pressure in general and especially in the Finals last year...

[baseline bum]

Great take from this fat piece of shit, tbh..

Crazy they drafted him #15 but he'd almost certainly go #2 if that draft was redone.

[SpursFan86]

If you think Kawhi's slump earlier in the year was bad, then you'll be mortified at how poorly Barnes has been playing recently.

Kawhi in November: 11.4 ppg (53.8 TS%), 6.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 27.4 minutes per game

Barnes in March: 6 ppg (38.5 TS%), 3.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.8 minutes per game

In fact, Kawhi's stats in November are better than Barnes' career stats.

[Shastafarian]

Crazy they drafted him #15 but he'd almost certainly go #2 if that draft was redone.
You think he'd go above Klay Thompson, Valanciunas, and Vucevic? I think he'd go in there somewhere but teams really value (or overvalue depending on your philosophy) height.

[SpursFan86]

You think he'd go above Klay Thompson, Valanciunas, and Vucevic? I think he'd go in there somewhere but teams really value (or overvalue depending on your philosophy) height.

I'd take Kawhi over any of those guys without question tbh.

[baseline bum]

You think he'd go above Klay Thompson, Valanciunas, and Vucevic? I think he'd go in there somewhere but teams really value (or overvalue depending on your philosophy) height.

Yes

[mookie2001]

Hey 11.9 points per game now great. If kawhi only learned to handle the ball.

man, all star talent

[look_at_g_shred]

Bump.

[hater]

Sure Kawhi has sucked Nov and Dec. plain sucked. Sure he's overrated over here.

Still I don't trade him. He's still got the potential to play near-allstar this season which is all that's needed from him.


:tu :tu :tu

game recognize game

[Brazil]

Kawhi has peaked. Barnes has more potential. Barnes is better with the ball in his hands. Barnes is bigger. Barnes is not regressing in front of our eyes

Dat quote :lmao

mookie is indeed a big fat piece of shit

[RD2191]

Kawhi will be Kawhi come April. I just worry about him staying healthy....that's it.
:toast

[look_at_g_shred]

:toast
OP :lmao

[smeagol]

No flame just a least favorite player rant. the dude has been pathetic lately. Horrible defense tonight. A whopping 7 pts and 4 rebounds total in the last two games.

Dude gets outplayed by nearly everyone he goes against. He will always be an average defensive specialist at this point. He cannot play on the baseline whatsoever. Still can't dribble. Still can't dance on anyone. Still can't drive. Still no midrange game. He's a 6-6 PF pretending to play the wing

does anyone know if he has seasonal depression or what because his development seems to be retarded


nahh. Don't like em. Give me that old fashioned baldspot

You've been an idiot since 2004. Nothing has changed . . . :toast

[look_at_g_shred]

No flame just a least favorite player rant. the dude has been pathetic lately. Horrible defense tonight. A whopping 7 pts and 4 rebounds total in the last two games.

Dude gets outplayed by nearly everyone he goes against. He will always be an average defensive specialist at this point. He cannot play on the baseline whatsoever. Still can't dribble. Still can't dance on anyone. Still can't drive. Still no midrange game. He's a 6-6 PF pretending to play the wing

does anyone know if he has seasonal depression or what because his development seems to be retarded


nahh. Don't like em. Give me that old fashioned baldspot
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/LeBron-James-Dunk-on-Jason-Terry.gif

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Kawhi's only problems really is usage rate and charging into players during his one man fastbreaks, tbh...

[Solid D]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/LeBron-James-Dunk-on-Jason-Terry.gif

For you long-standing Spurs fans, this sick dunk by James brings memories of the time Sean Elliott dunked over Vlade Divac with the Lakers. As soon as Sean drew contact, he seemed to go higher with longer hang time prior to the major flush.
Best dunk Sean ever did.

[look_at_g_shred]

Kawhi will be Kawhi come April. I just worry about him staying healthy....that's it.
http://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif

[DarrinS]

For you long-standing Spurs fans, this sick dunk by James brings memories of the time Sean Elliott dunked over Vlade Divac with the Lakers. As soon as Sean drew contact, he seemed to go higher with longer hang time prior to the major flush.
Best dunk Sean ever did.


This one?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl2RJULs40k

[Solid D]

This one?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl2RJULs40k

Yes!!! Nice. Thanks Darrin.

[spurs10]

This one?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl2RJULs40k Sweet!

[lefty]

LIRL