54 percent of Republicans do not believe in evolution? Really?

[Nero5]

http://www.theage.com.au/world/belief-in-evolution-declines-among-republicans-as-party-lurches-rightward-20140103-hv7ck.html

[boutons_deux]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220853&page=3&p=7041236&highlight=evolution#post7041236


The anti-science, anti-intellectual, low-information, right-to-work-for-less, rural, ignorant, "Christian", self-described "Party of Stupid".

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm pretty sure the majority of the country rejects evolution, it's not just Republicans who are retarded on this issue.

[boutons_deux]

I'm pretty sure the majority of the country rejects evolution, it's not just Republicans who are retarded on this issue.

yep, you're obviously a denier, anti-fact.

maybe the geographic majority, the poor, rural, ignorant Bible-thumping, evagelical, preacher-duped counties, but multiple polls, like Gallup, etc, OVER THE YEARS, have shown a numeric majority to believe in evolution, and that majority is urban, suburban population centers, not rural. do you have any "poll facts" (no Rasmussen polls) to support your "pretty sure" wishful thinking.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

yep, you're obviously a denier, anti-fact.

maybe the geographic majority, the poor, rural, ignorant Bible-thumping, evagelical, preacher-duped counties, but multiple polls, like Gallup, etc, OVER THE YEARS, have shown a numeric majority to believe in evolution, and that majority is urban, suburban population centers, not rural. do you have any "poll facts" (no Rasmussen polls) to support your "pretty sure" wishful thinking.
Yes, I'm a denier of evolution. That's definitely why I called people who deny evolution "retarded on the issue". I was calling myself retarded.

Here are my poll facts (I don't count the people who say humans evolved "with god guiding" as believers in evolution):
http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx

[boutons_deux]

Yes, I'm a denier of evolution. That's definitely why I called people who deny evolution "retarded on the issue". I was calling myself retarded.

Here are my poll facts (I don't count the people who say humans evolved "with god guiding" as believers in evolution):
http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx

So your "majority" that denies evolution, in the Gallup graph, is 15%. :lol

The "God added value (soul)"-to-evolution group is what I think was, and still is taught in Catholic schools, the CC trying to be scientific but it has to slip God in somewhere.

Evolution is evolution, God or no God, esp opposite the God-dropped-humans-as-is-on-earth-6000-years-ago TINY MINORITY.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So your "majority" that denies evolution, in the Gallup graph, is 15%. :lol

The "God added value (soul)"-to-evolution group is what I think was, and still is taught in Catholic schools, the CC trying to be scientific but it has to slip God in somewhere.

Evolution is evolution, God or no God, esp opposite the God-dropped-humans-as-is-on-earth-6000-years-ago TINY MINORITY.

:lmao do you know how to read? The poll says 46% believe god created humans (creationism) and 32% believe god "guided" the evolution process (intelligent design)

That 15% TINY MINORITY you're talking about is the group that believes in a godless evolution. You and I are in the tiny minority, not the bible thumpers.

[Bill_Brasky]

Oh great another faggot boutons style poster in the political forum.

[leemajors]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/03/1266894/-Bill-Nye-set-to-debate-leading-creationist-in-February?detail=facebook

Nye is going to embarrass a creationist in February.

[Oh, Gee!!]

:lmao do you know how to read? The poll says 46% believe god created humans (creationism) and 32% believe god "guided" the evolution process (intelligent design)

That 15% TINY MINORITY you're talking about is the group that believes in a godless evolution. You and I are in the tiny minority, not the bible thumpers.

I wouldn't include ID'ers as evolution deniers; maybe evolution-enhancers? Meaning they are adding to it with non-scientific stuff.

[Halberto]

Yes, I'm a denier of evolution. That's definitely why I called people who deny evolution "retarded on the issue". I was calling myself retarded.


:lol

well done chap

[boutons_deux]

:lmao do you know how to read? The poll says 46% believe god created humans (creationism) and 32% believe god "guided" the evolution process (intelligent design)

That 15% TINY MINORITY you're talking about is the group that believes in a godless evolution. You and I are in the tiny minority, not the bible thumpers.

guided/intervention, for Catholics, is simply God intervening in the biological evolution to add the soul without messing with the biology. ID is totally different, and is pushed by creationist/new earth fuckers as more "intelligent" "credible" idea than Genesis style creationism.

[Wild Cobra]

I would like to see the exact poll. If it was a binary choice, then most republicans will choose that God had some design. I'm pretty sure that if asked properly, that most republicans would have said that both the evolution and creation exists. That they are not mutually exclusive.

[boutons_deux]

"both the evolution and creation exists. That they are not mutually exclusive."

maybe for some flavor of Bible thumper, but biological evolution happens with or without supernatural intervention, no wibbly wobbly "both"

[Wild Cobra]

"both the evolution and creation exists. That they are not mutually exclusive."

maybe for some flavor of Bible thumper, but biological evolution happens with or without supernatural intervention, no wibbly wobbly "both"


You didn't understand my response, did you. I'll bet people had to choose one or the other, with no choice to select both. Christians will then pick creation over evolution, and I'm sure that was the intent of the poll creators.

[Spurminator]

I would like to see the exact poll. If it was a binary choice, then most republicans will choose that God had some design. I'm pretty sure that if asked properly, that most republicans would have said that both the evolution and creation exists. That they are not mutually exclusive.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/12/30/publics-views-on-human-evolution/

It was a choice between:
“humans and other living things have evolved over time”
or
“humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time”

[boutons_deux]

"Christians will then pick creation over evolution"

every single Christian? :lol

every stupid, ignorant creationist Christian would, esp the militantly politicized American ones, but that doesn't cover all Christians.

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/12/30/publics-views-on-human-evolution/

It was a choice between:
“humans and other living things have evolved over time”
or
“humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time”
That doesn't show the questions... or results to the questions...

[Spurminator]

That doesn't show the questions... or results to the questions...


The question was "Which of the following statements most closely reflects your beliefs?" Or something similar. The exact wording is not relevant. From the two options you can see that there is no way to believe both of those statements are true. The results are at the link.

[CosmicCowboy]

The more I know and learn it's really difficult to believe that there is not SOME higher power at work here. I don't adhere to any of the established religions but seriously...this world and this universe can't be just some random product of cosmic soup coming together.

[boutons_deux]

The more I know and learn it's really difficult to believe that there is not SOME higher power at work here. I don't adhere to any of the established religions but seriously...this world and this universe can't be just some random product of cosmic soup coming together.

I agree, but the Bible's cosmology sucks.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm skeeered.

Boo and I agree on something.

[EVAY]

I was raised Catholic and to believe in evolution. It was always presented in my education that the 'soul' part of humanity was the god part and that the evolution itself was Darwinian. They just never mentioned when souls got into the evolutionary picture as an exclusively human feature.

I was also taught that biblical stories of Adan and Eve were stories that made it easier for ancient peoples to understand their relationship to god. Frankly, it always worked for me. B_D is right about biblical cosmology, but remember that it was written by ancients for ancients.

[ElNono]

The more I know and learn it's really difficult to believe that there is not SOME higher power at work here. I don't adhere to any of the established religions but seriously...this world and this universe can't be just some random product of cosmic soup coming together.

I don't know. Human existence as we know it so far is a mere fart (if that) in the universe's space and lifetime.

[Wild Cobra]

The question was "Which of the following statements most closely reflects your beliefs?" Or something similar. The exact wording is not relevant. From the two options you can see that there is no way to believe both of those statements are true. The results are at the link.
Exact wording is relevant. I do not accept paraphrasing in such instances.

[Wild Cobra]

The more I know and learn it's really difficult to believe that there is not SOME higher power at work here. I don't adhere to any of the established religions but seriously...this world and this universe can't be just some random product of cosmic soup coming together.
I completely agree. Evolution is real, but so is genetic manipulation.

[Wild Cobra]

I agree, but the Bible's cosmology sucks.

Yes, but the translations are bad. When God created the world in six says, a more correct interpretation would be something like "the deities formed the earth and life in six stages." For all we know, it could be the same as trarraforming.

[Jacob1983]

What does the belief or rejection of evolution have to do with being a politician? I've never understood how people get so anal over this. Who gives a shit?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yes, but the translations are bad. When God created the world in six says, a more correct interpretation would be something like "the deities formed the earth and life in six stages." For all we know, it could be the same as trarraforming.

:lmao how the fuck do you know what a correct interpretation should be?

[boutons_deux]

What does the belief or rejection of evolution have to do with being a politician? I've never understood how people get so anal over this. Who gives a shit?

goddam, you're stupid (which is a characteristic of their that the Repugs depend on)

The Repugs/tea baggers/libertarians, funded by $Bs from the VRWC/1%/UCA, wave wildly in one hand evolution, abortion, the Bible, their childish, mythical anthropomorphic "God" (he is exclusively a "Christian"), illegal immigrants, gun rights, shitty teachers/public schools, bad govt and its horrible regulations, taxes, unions/right-to-work, socialism, Muslims, Sharia, etc to inflame their ignorant, gerrymandered base while with the other sleight-of-hand they pick all our pockets, aka "redistribute wealth", to themselves and above all their funders, and block all government progress, aka, "conserve the criminally unequal, rigged status quo".

The brilliance of the Repugs is their ability to sucker their base into voting Repug while they fuck over their base hard and deep.

The supreme, current examples are

1) Repugs denying Medicaid/health care to Ms of their voters.

2) Repugs denying long-term unemployment extension, with 1/3 of those denied being white and 10Ks in Repug (gerrymandered) districts, states.

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao how the fuck do you know what a correct interpretation should be?

I've done some research regarding the Chaldean and Hebrew words that the Torah is written in. The correct interpretation where created is used, is actually formed. The times when a singular god is designated, is usually when you read it as "Lord God." The word used for God, not preceded by Lord, is a plural form of a word that means great being. The word translated as Adam in the story of the creation means mankind. A proper name form isn't used the story with Adam, eve, Cain, and Able. there are many misinterpretations in the English versions. Remember, these were interpreted in the time of kings, and religion has always been abused by people in power.

[tlongII]

The more I know and learn it's really difficult to believe that there is not SOME higher power at work here. I don't adhere to any of the established religions but seriously...this world and this universe can't be just some random product of cosmic soup coming together.

Why not? There might be a higher power, but it's certainly nothing like any religion describes. I think that the random product of cosmic soup coming together is the most likely and best answer. I also believe we are not alone in the universe.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Anyone who thinks we are alone in this universe is a total moron. It's more or less a certainty that life exists somewhere else.

[Wild Cobra]

Anyone who thinks we are alone in this universe is a total moron. It's more or less a certainty that life exists somewhere else.
This is one of the few things I agree with you on.

[SnakeBoy]

Anyone who thinks we are alone in this universe is a total moron. It's more or less a certainty that life exists somewhere else.

False logic, there are so many rocks on my property some of them must be diamonds.

Perhaps there is, perhaps there isn't. Not enough evidence either way. Being certain there is life elsewhere isn't much different than being certain there is a god.

[Jacob1983]

What about the freedom to believe in whatever? Why be a bigot just because you disagree with someone?

[MannyIsGod]

The more I know and learn it's really difficult to believe that there is not SOME higher power at work here. I don't adhere to any of the established religions but seriously...this world and this universe can't be just some random product of cosmic soup coming together.

I would agree with this, too. The more you see the way math works in the universe the more it blows me away. I suppose it could be all random, but I definitely find that hard to comprehend.

[baseline bum]

False logic, there are so many rocks on my property some of them must be diamonds.


You don't have a trillion trillion rocks in your yard.

[ChumpDumper]

I would like to see the exact poll.Then look it up. I did in three seconds.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

False logic, there are so many rocks on my property some of them must be diamonds.

Perhaps there is, perhaps there isn't. Not enough evidence either way. Being certain there is life elsewhere isn't much different than being certain there is a god.

And here we have someone with absolutely no sense of the scale of the universe. The number of rocks in your property is in the order of 6 maybe. The number of stars in the universe is in the order of 23. That is an exponential scale ie

1,000,000

vs.

100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

If you have 100 sextillion rocks in your yard then one of them will be compressed carbon.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would agree with this, too. The more you see the way math works in the universe the more it blows me away. I suppose it could be all random, but I definitely find that hard to comprehend.

So you not understanding something means that something greater has to understand and control it?

Love the slave morality.

[Spurminator]

Exact wording is relevant. I do not accept paraphrasing in such instances.

Tell me how the question could possibly worded such that you could believe both of these statements to be true:

“humans and other living things have evolved over time”
“humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time”

[SnakeBoy]

So you not understanding something means that something greater has to understand and control it?


It's kind of like believing if you have enough of one thing then you must have something else.

[MannyIsGod]

So you not understanding something means that something greater has to understand and control it?

Love the slave morality.

Except thats not what I said, now is it? Reread.

[Wild Cobra]

Then look it up. I did in three seconds.
I'm not a world class google expert like you guys.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, you're not a world class expert in anything so there's no need to clarify that to us.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs, the party of stupid.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, you're not a world class expert in anything so there's no need to clarify that to us.
How are your Climastology studies going?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not a world class google expert like you guys.
Did you even try?

[pgardn]

I would agree with this, too. The more you see the way math works in the universe the more it blows me away. I suppose it could be all random, but I definitely find that hard to comprehend.

What about it blows you away? It's Frkn neat that it can be used to describe some natural phenomena that we might not expect it to. But then again, we made it up. So I would expect it to describe phenomena we can find. Some people believe some Maths exist on their own, some sort of natural law. That we have FOUND it. Personally, I don't.

Goal directed evolution is what most people can't handle. People that believe there is some other intelligent form of life like us basically adhere to goal directed evolution. Most Biological evolutionists do not believe this way yet some physicists do. This topic is more wide ranging than folks realize. Populations change through time just skims the surface of the variety of opinions concerning the topic.

A crude dichotomy would be a religious sort looking at an ape today and thinking no way we came from a common ancestor. While the rest would say we did. Evolution is deeper than this. Of course those who believe living things are all created specially on their own would not care to venture from the shallow end of the pool. The richness of the topic ends abruptly for them.

[Wild Cobra]

Did you even try?

Yes, I looked.

I don't believe you found the actual poll questions and results. I noticed you didn't link it. I think you're just being your snarky self.

[rascal]

Anyone who thinks we are alone in this universe is a total moron. It's more or less a certainty that life exists somewhere else.

It is only a certainty when it is confirmed.

[rascal]

And here we have someone with absolutely no sense of the scale of the universe. The number of rocks in your property is in the order of 6 maybe. The number of stars in the universe is in the order of 23. That is an exponential scale ie

1,000,000

vs.

100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

If you have 100 sextillion rocks in your yard then one of them will be compressed carbon.

All you have proven is the universe is large. No proof of life elsewhere. You know why, because God only created life on one planet and the universe and its vastness is only there to show God's power and confuse people like you into believing there has to be life elsewhere because it is so big.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, I looked.

I don't believe you found the actual poll questions and results. I noticed you didn't link it. I think you're just being your snarky self.The link was on the page Spurminator linked, genius.

I guess you didn't even open that link.

[Wild Cobra]

The link was on the page Spurminator linked, genius.

I guess you didn't even open that link.
You are a royal idiot...

I opened the link, and that is not what I asked for. That is a summary of the poll and results. Not the actual questions and actual answers.

[ChumpDumper]

You are a royal idiot...

I opened the link, and that is not what I asked for. That is a summary of the poll and results. Not the actual questions and actual answers.I knew you didn't read it in the first place and I knew you couldn't find the link on the page once you did.

Nice.

[Wild Cobra]

I knew you didn't read it in the first place and I knew you couldn't find the link on the page once you did.

Nice.
I was there...

Is the link within the Pew Reasearch link?

I didn't see it.

What are the actual questions, and actual responses to the actual question?

Put up or shut up.

[ChumpDumper]

I was there...

Is the link within the Pew Reasearch link?

I didn't see it.

What are the actual questions, and actual responses to the actual question?

Put up or shut up.Already did.

It's already there.

Always has been.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

All you have proven is the universe is large. No proof of life elsewhere. You know why, because God only created life on one planet and the universe and its vastness is only there to show God's power and confuse people like you into believing there has to be life elsewhere because it is so big.

:lol It's called probabilities.

in 200 sextillion planets there are probabilites associuated with what elements the planet will be made up of. Looking at things only for what is required for life on Earth it is all but certain that there are multiple other planets that are a particular distance from their suns with similar atmospheres etc.

You can babble about the 'power of god' all you like but at the end of the day it is not manifest in anything real. We can look at far away objects and using spectroscopes determine what they are made of at the surface. We can do that or try and write a fantasy novel based on nothing whatsoever.

[Wild Cobra]

Already did.

It's already there.

Always has been.
LOL...

Liar.

Prove me wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL...

Liar.

Prove me wrong.No, it's really, really there.

Seriously found it in three seconds.

It's easy.

[Wild Cobra]

No, it's really, really there.

Seriously found it in three seconds.

It's easy.
Then give me the link, or I say you are full of bullshit.

[ChumpDumper]

You can say whatever you want, it's there. Just need a minimum of intelligence to find it.

[Wild Cobra]

You can say whatever you want, it's there. Just need a minimum of intelligence to find it.

You should stop your lying.

Show us the link, or be branded a lying joke.

[ChumpDumper]

You should stop your lying.

Show us the link, or be branded a lying joke.No skin off my nose.

It's more fun to know you can't find something so simple.

[Wild Cobra]

No skin off my nose.

It's more fun to know you can't find something so simple.
Glad to know you amuse so easily. Like a first grade bully.

I have better things to know. Besides. I proved my point.

You are full of shit, and everyone sees it.

Goodbye asshole.

[ChumpDumper]

Glad to know you amuse so easily. Like a first grade bully.Why do you call everyone smarter than you a bully?


I have better things to know.You are the one who wants to know; I am the one who knows.


Besides. I proved my point.

You are full of shit, and everyone sees it.I'm pretty sure everyone who looks can find what I'm talking about. It's not like it's hidden or anything.


Goodbye asshole.U mad.

[pgardn]

All you have proven is the universe is large. No proof of life elsewhere. You know why, because God only created life on one planet and the universe and its vastness is only there to show God's power and confuse people like you into believing there has to be life elsewhere because it is so big.

And how have you come to believe the bolded?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Except thats not what I said, now is it? Reread.

So do you have anything specific for proof of the existence of god or do you just go the 'math makes me feel like there is a god route?' Symmetry make you emotional?

I did take you initial statement as reading: the more I know the more I realize how little I know. That extension is inaccurate?

[MannyIsGod]

So do you have anything specific for proof of the existence of god or do you just go the 'math makes me feel like there is a god route?' Symmetry make you emotional?

I did take you initial statement as reading: the more I know the more I realize how little I know. That extension is inaccurate?

Why do I need proof of god when I never even mentioned god? Emotional? You're projecting your previous discussions with others on this subject onto my statement.

You should take my initial statement to mean that the more I learn about the universe - and I'm far from a expert - the more I see order and a system in it that I don't understand how it would occur on its own. As I said, I suppose it could be random, but how that would occur I cannot comprehend in the least. I don't buy into the idea of a god at all in the sense that that word is commonly used.

[Wild Cobra]

U mad.

Yes.

I get a bit pissed when wasting my time with losers like you.

[SnakeBoy]

:lol It's called probabilities.

in 200 sextillion planets there are probabilites associuated with what elements the planet will be made up of. Looking at things only for what is required for life on Earth it is all but certain that there are multiple other planets that are a particular distance from their suns with similar atmospheres etc.

You can babble about the 'power of god' all you like but at the end of the day it is not manifest in anything real. We can look at far away objects and using spectroscopes determine what they are made of at the surface. We can do that or try and write a fantasy novel based on nothing whatsoever.

The faith in alien life is strong in this one.

[Wild Cobra]

The faith in alien life is strong in this one.

LOL...

That's funny when imaging Darth Vader say it.

Past that...

I think it's most probably that life outside of our solar system exists. I think it's unlikely we are alone in this vast universe.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes.

I get a bit pissed when wasting my time with losers like you.You also said goodbye.

That makes you a despicable liar. Everyone can see it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why do I need proof of god when I never even mentioned god? Emotional? You're projecting your previous discussions with others on this subject onto my statement.

You should take my initial statement to mean that the more I learn about the universe - and I'm far from a expert - the more I see order and a system in it that I don't understand how it would occur on its own. As I said, I suppose it could be random, but how that would occur I cannot comprehend in the least. I don't buy into the idea of a god at all in the sense that that word is commonly used.

Superior being was said. Sorry if I conflated that with 'god.'

The bolded indicates quite clearly that my initial take was correct. You stated that you see order that you do not understand how it can exist so therefor you give credence to a 'superior being.'

Go ahead and dissemble some more.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The faith in alien life is strong in this one.

You do not understand what 'faith' means nor what 'probability' means.

[rascal]

You do not understand what 'faith' means nor what 'probability' means.

Probability is zero because there is no need for life on any other planet for God. He put everything here on Earth. There is a God.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs, the party of stupid (evangelical, Bible-literalism makes them so)

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

All you have proven is the universe is large. No proof of life elsewhere. You know why, because God only created life on one planet and the universe and its vastness is only there to show God's power and confuse people like you into believing there has to be life elsewhere because it is so big.

:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It is only a certainty when it is confirmed.

so have you confirmed god's existence yet :lol

[boutons_deux]

I'm skeeered.

Boo and I agree on something.

You should rather congratulate yourself that you got one thing right

[rascal]

so have you confirmed god's existence yet :lol
Jesus has confirmed it.

[baseline bum]

so have you confirmed god's existence yet :lol

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1210257/michael-jordan-breaks-backboar-o.gif

[baseline bum]

Jesus has confirmed it.

Who gives a shit what some random Mexican says tbh

[Blake]

The more I know and learn it's really difficult to believe that there is not SOME higher power at work here. I don't adhere to any of the established religions but seriously...this world and this universe can't be just some random product of cosmic soup coming together.

funny, the more I know and learn, it's really difficult for me to believe in intelligent design.

[Blake]

Probability is zero because there is no need for life on any other planet for God. He put everything here on Earth. There is a God.

where is Heaven located, in your opinion?

[Bill_Brasky]

Jesus has confirmed it.

Can you prove this though?

[rascal]

Can you prove this though?

It has been proven(because you fail to recognize it- that is your problem with not believing in the proof not mine), the most popular religion in the world Christianity is based on the proof of the resurrection. Chritianity would have died on the cross with Jesus if he was a fraud. There was no reason for the apostles to continue with it and they would have been betrayed and angry had Jesus lied to them. They sacrificed their lives by following him just to find out he was a fraud, this would have killed Jesus's teachings right there on the cross. But instead they saw proof of the resurrection and Christianity was born from it.

[rascal]

where is Heaven located, in your opinion?

In another dimension. You can only get there after death, all are bound to the 3rd dimension as we are alive in 3 dimensional bodies. After death you travel into higher dimensions.

[SnakeBoy]

You do not understand what 'faith' means nor what 'probability' means.

Do you believe aliens have visited the earth?

[Blake]

In another dimension. You can only get there after death, all are bound to the 3rd dimension as we are alive in 3 dimensional bodies. After death you travel into higher dimensions.

What do you believe is the point of God creating this 3rd dimension?

Why not just keep everything in his current dimension?

[rascal]

What do you believe is the point of God creating this 3rd dimension?

Why not just keep everything in his current dimension?

Man had to become temporarily separated from God and that happened in a different dimension. It is just the way God did it. Man got a body that died when he came into the 3rd dimension, that happened with the fall of the first man and woman. And no i don't believe the Bible literally(much has been misinterpreted through translation) but overall the general ideas hold true. Now life is just a short temporary test lasting less than 100 years for most.

[boutons_deux]

...

[boutons_deux]

Man had to become temporarily separated from God and that happened in a different dimension. It is just the way God did it. Man got a body that died when he came into the 3rd dimension, that happened with the fall of the first man and woman. And no i don't believe the Bible literally(much has been misinterpreted through translation) but overall the general ideas hold true. Now life is just a short temporary test lasting less than 100 years for most.

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

Superior being was said. Sorry if I conflated that with 'god.'

The bolded indicates quite clearly that my initial take was correct. You stated that you see order that you do not understand how it can exist so therefor you give credence to a 'superior being.'

Go ahead and dissemble some more.

Except that your statement said that I said it "has to" which I clearly didn't. So no, your initial analysis wasn't correct. My not understanding of how it would occur randomly does not preclude it from being random. It just means, I don't understand how that would occur.

[101A]

All you have proven is the universe is large. No proof of life elsewhere. You know why, because God only created life on one planet and the universe and its vastness is only there to show God's power and confuse people like you into believing there has to be life elsewhere because it is so big.

Rascal. I'm a Christian. I read the bible, and, yes, I believe God existed before the universe, and created the universe, along with all of the laws that it follows. Why would God specifically create something so vast simple to confuse the people he supposedly loves more than we can possibly understand?

So you believe Gos is an asshole?

I don't.

With that many planets out there, logic would suggest that we are NOT alone, and that civilizations have risen and fallen throughout the ages (even on our own planet if you believe that Voyager episode with the space travelling dinosaurs).

[101A]

Man had to become temporarily separated from God and that happened in a different dimension. It is just the way God did it. Man got a body that died when he came into the 3rd dimension, that happened with the fall of the first man and woman. And no i don't believe the Bible literally(much has been misinterpreted through translation) but overall the general ideas hold true. Now life is just a short temporary test lasting less than 100 years for most.


Was this in 1st or 2nd Thessalonians?

[Blake]

Rascal. I'm a Christian. I read the bible, and, yes, I believe God existed before the universe, and created the universe, along with all of the laws that it follows. Why would God specifically create something so vast simple to confuse the people he supposedly loves more than we can possibly understand?

So you believe Gos is an asshole?

I don't.

With that many planets out there, logic would suggest that we are NOT alone, and that civilizations have risen and fallen throughout the ages (even on our own planet if you believe that Voyager episode with the space travelling dinosaurs).

Bible God is an illogical ass hole, tbh.

[boutons_deux]

Bible God is illogical, tbh.

OT God, the only one that "Christians" seem to follow while ignoring Christ, is fricking crazy

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Except that your statement said that I said it "has to" which I clearly didn't. So no, your initial analysis wasn't correct. My not understanding of how it would occur randomly does not preclude it from being random. It just means, I don't understand how that would occur.

You are splitting hairs. So you are uncertain. You still give credence to the notion of a god of the gaps because of your uncertainty which was my central point. It just surprised me because it is completely illogical.

[scott]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/WrinkleInTimePBA1.jpg

[Leetonidas]

The more I know and learn it's really difficult to believe that there is not SOME higher power at work here. I don't adhere to any of the established religions but seriously...this world and this universe can't be just some random product of cosmic soup coming together.

And please explain not? Because on the flip side of that argument it will always come back to this "higher power" and how it came to be. It's hard for a human mind to grasp a lot of the present day theories and even comprehend these vast swaths of time. But over the course of billions of years, it's not hard to grasp this concept, especially in an infinitely expanding universe. Based on the the way light travels and using the cosmic microwave background, scientists can pretty much see the big bang happen.

[Leetonidas]

All you have proven is the universe is large. No proof of life elsewhere. You know why, because God only created life on one planet and the universe and its vastness is only there to show God's power and confuse people like you into believing there has to be life elsewhere because it is so big.

You are one stupid mother fucker. Please, fucking please, KILL YOURSELF, and if you have any children them as well. You and your inbred shit for brains ilk can never be allowed into the gene pool. Who the fuck filled your mind with this bullshit? :lmao :lmao :lmao

Rascal proving once again to be the biggest idiot on all of ST when it comes to his religious beliefs.

[RandomGuy]

I'm pretty sure the majority of the country rejects evolution, it's not just Republicans who are retarded on this issue.

From the linked article:


Washington: The number of Republican voters who do not believe in evolution has jumped from 43 per cent to 54 per cent in the past four years, research has found.
The survey on religious views by the Pew Research Centre found that over the same period the number of Democrats believing in evolution climbed from 64 per cent to 67 per cent.
Just 60 per cent of Americans agreed that ‘‘humans and other living things have evolved over time’’; 33per cent rejected the notion, a number barely changed since 2009, when Pew last conducted this research.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/belief-in-evolution-declines-among-republicans-as-party-lurches-rightward-20140103-hv7ck.html#ixzz2peEX4wN0

[boutons_deux]

The Most Fascinating Human Evolution Discoveries of 2013 (http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2014/01/01/the-most-fascinating-human-evolution-discoveries-of-2013/)
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2014/01/01/the-most-fascinating-human-evolution-discoveries-of-2013/?WT_mc_id=SA_CAT_EVO_20140106

[MannyIsGod]

You are splitting hairs. So you are uncertain. You still give credence to the notion of a god of the gaps because of your uncertainty which was my central point. It just surprised me because it is completely illogical.

Giving credence to the possibility because of the way we interpret the universe is anything but illogical. Its seems as though you have a very narrow view on this subject and if someone lies outside of that view you find it illogical.

[rascal]

Rascal. I'm a Christian. I read the bible, and, yes, I believe God existed before the universe, and created the universe, along with all of the laws that it follows. Why would God specifically create something so vast simple to confuse the people he supposedly loves more than we can possibly understand?

So you believe Gos is an asshole?

I don't.

With that many planets out there, logic would suggest that we are NOT alone, and that civilizations have risen and fallen throughout the ages (even on our own planet if you believe that Voyager episode with the space travelling dinosaurs).

It wasn't to confuse people but that is what it has become for some. The universe is so big and there are so many planets that can support life as we know it, that there must be life( that is thoughts that lead you astray from the truth- there is no life other than on Earth). There is no need for life elsewhere. The game is being played out on Earth. Man is God's greatest creation, even greater than all the universe. It was to show his vast power and love. The Universe is so big but his favorite creation is Man and the life he created on Earth.

[boutons_deux]

"Man is God's greatest creation"

your anthropomorphic God couldn't create better than anthropocentric egocentric egomaniac man? :lol

[rascal]

Was this in 1st or 2nd Thessalonians?

Bible fanatics go too far and according to them everyone is going to hell unless you are a so called born again Christian.

[rascal]

"Man is God's greatest creation"

your anthropomorphic God couldn't create better than anthropocentric egocentric egomaniac man? :lol

God could have created puppets with no free will to do wrong but what then, they would be no different than the animals. Yes, Man is God's greatest creation and the Earth and having the domain over it was given to him.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Giving credence to the possibility because of the way we interpret the universe is anything but illogical. Its seems as though you have a very narrow view on this subject and if someone lies outside of that view you find it illogical.

Perhaps you should reread what you agreed with on CC's part. Let us revisit.


The more I know and learn it's really difficult to believe that there is not SOME higher power at work here. I don't adhere to any of the established religions but seriously...this world and this universe can't be just some random product of cosmic soup coming together.

There is a great degree of order
I do not understand how such order came to be.

From that you induce the existence of a 'higher power' yet there is no logical link that I see.

And of course I have had this argument before because you are arguing the god of the gaps. It's an intellectual cop out: I don't understand so I will attribute it to make-believe superior being.

I am just looking for a logical link to go from 'I don't understand how this is' to 'it could be a supreme being.' It could be a monkey fucking a football too. Why not that or any other unprovable hypothesis? Logic is based on something. If what you are doing here is 'logic' then WC and his 'well it could be...' wishful thinking is logic too.

Logic is based on supporting points that lead to a conclusion. There is a difference between 'possible' and 'logical.' The monkey is just as 'logical' as the other in this case.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I am a loser with women and with making money.
Other areas I am all right. I am not a bad looking guy and am athletic so it wasn't like I was some strange nerd who was only into books.

I never had any dates in high school or even college. Just didn't feel like I had anything to offer or that a girl would even be interested. I didn't even touch a girl until I was 28, didn't have a relationship until 38 and married a woman I was not even attracted to at 48 (because I thought I would never get married with my track record). I really feel sorry for my wife.


I thought getting a college degree in engineering would help me land a good paying job, it never did. I am working a low paying job similar to what I worked before I got the degree. UTSA in San Antonio does not have a good engineering program at least when I went to school there. I came out ill prepared to do well in the field.

I lifted weights for over 30 years and I would say that it didn't help much with getting girls interested or building confidence. I could never get the girls I was really attracted to(blue eyed brunettes), they never seemed to be available and the one girl that I thought I had a shot at in college I just would get really nervous the times I tried to talk to her so I felt I had no shot in hell with her and never even tried asking her on a date. This I regret because I never met another girl the way I felt for this particular girl.

So I am saying to the young readers out there if there is a girl you want go for it because the ship may sail away and you will be left with a life of regret.

This thread is also for all the losers to say you are not alone, there are other people who have experiences like you. Don't be afraid to stand up and call yourself a loser, don't care what others think, and try to make the necessary changes and I hope you have better luck than I did.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao worshiping and getting a shitty life in return

God's kind of a prick, tbh.

[Blake]

Bible fanatics go too far and according to them everyone is going to hell unless you are a so called born again Christian.

Hell is illogical, tbh.

[rascal]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao worshiping and getting a shitty life in return

God's kind of a prick, tbh.

You don't have a clue of what you speak.

[rascal]

Hell is illogical, tbh.

Just because you can't fathom it doesn't mean it can't exist. Many things none of us know about yet until after we die. Until you die you won't know what is on the other side. You only see it from this side of the fence and then make the claim there can't be anything on the other side of death because you don't know.

[rascal]

Hell is illogical, tbh.

hell could be a separation from everything. You exist in space(not in this dimension) just floating for eternity separated from everything just in blackness.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Just because you can't fathom it doesn't mean it can't exist. Many things none of us know about yet until after we die. Until you die you won't know what is on the other side. You only see it from this side of the fence and then make the claim there can't be anything on the other side of death because you don't know.
You can't prove it exists, which by your logic means it doesn't exist. The fact a lot of people believe in something isn't proof it exists.

How have you seen hell if you haven't died yet?

[Blake]

hell could be a separation from everything. You exist in space(not in this dimension) just floating for eternity separated from everything just in blackness.

Bible clearly says hell has fire.

But even so, what kind of loving father separates himself from his kids for eternity?

It's not logical.

[SnakeBoy]

Fuzzy, Do you believe aliens have visited the earth?

[Jacob1983]

Why do you guys argue over this shit?

[Blake]

Why does God have you cleaning diaper stations at Target?

[Leetonidas]

You can't prove it exists, which by your logic means it doesn't exist. The fact a lot of people believe in something isn't proof it exists.

How have you seen hell if you haven't died yet?

:lol religious people claiming others can't "fathom" something

[baseline bum]

Fuzzy, Do you believe aliens have visited the earth?

Not directed to me, but I'll jump in anyways. If you mean little green men in spaceships, I'd say it's extremely doubtful considering how sparsely populated the universe is with galaxies and considering the upper limit of the speed of light. But microbes hitching a ride here on a comet or an asteroid? That I could maybe see.

[SnakeBoy]

Why do you guys argue over this shit?

I think everyone has there own reasons.

[pgardn]

The religious zealot always backs into an untenable position by the inability to utter a very simple phrase:

I don't know.

When one starts creating rules and deities... It's asking observation, evidence and logic to punch you in the face.

[boutons_deux]

'21st Century Creationism' Same As The Old Creationism


David Rives of WorldNetDaily, claims (http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/creationism-enters-the-21st-century/) that unlike Creationists, “Darwinian evolutionists believe, by faith, in the unproven theories of man, therefore their conclusions are also based on a belief rather that fact.”

“The Biblical account of creation as found in the first chapter of the Bible, the foundation upon which the whole Biblical record is based, is being gradually eroded away by unproven theories of evolution – not by empirical science, but by highly interpretive theories, presented by those who reject the God of the Bible,” explains David Rives Ministries. “The question arises: Does empirical science, observable and repeatedly demonstrable findings, prove the theories of Darwinian evolution to be true and the Biblical account to be false? The answer is emphatically no.

“The unproven theories of evolution that are being presented rely heavily on the interpretation of data – ‘ideology’ or ‘worldview,’” Rives explains. “Those who believe the Bible to be true see sedimentary layers of geological formations to be an indication of a worldwide flood in Noah’s day. Those who believe in the theories of evolution view the same geological layers as confirmation of millions of years of gradual deposition. The bottom line is that no one was there to witness the events responsible for producing what we see.

“Those who trust in the Biblical record believe, by faith, that ‘Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith’ (Hebrews 11:7),” Rives continues. “Darwinian evolutionists believe, by faith, in the unproven theories of man, therefore their conclusions are also based on a belief rather that fact. Darwinian evolution is a faith-based religion in opposition to the words of Scripture, which for thousands of years has been received by Bible believers as the inspired word of the Creator Himself.

“I believe that when we take a look at all the facts, it takes more faith to believe in evolution by random chance than it does to believe in the literal Genesis account,” Rives concludes.


http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/21st-century-creationism-same-old-creationism

When Rives, among on the Bible literalist assholes, starts with the FACT that Genesis, 144 hours to create the universe, is historically and scientifically TRUE, the discussion is dead.

[boutons_deux]

A Missing Genetic Link in Human Evolution

About 8 million to 12 million years ago, the ancestor of great apes, including humans, underwent a dramatic genetic change. Small pieces of DNA replicated and spread across their resident chromosomes like dandelions across a lawn. But as these “dandelion seeds” dispersed, they carried some grass and daisy seeds — additional segments of DNA — along for the ride. This unusual pattern (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19717539), repeated in different parts of the genome, is found only in great apes — bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas and humans.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-missing-genetic-link-in-human-evolution&WT.mc_id=SA_DD_20140107 (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-missing-genetic-link-in-human-evolution&WT.mc_id=SA_DD_20140107)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, Do you believe aliens have visited the earth?

much like your Messiah I have no reason to believe so. Empiricist. Look it up. I suppose the discussion of spectrum analysis was beyond your mental acuity

[AntiChrist]

much like your Messiah I have no reason to believe so. Empiricist. Look it up. I suppose the discussion of spectrum analysis was beyond your mental acuity


Smart people don't need to tell everyone how smart they are and don't feel the need to insult the intelligence of others. Why are you so insecure?

[AntiChrist]

Napoleon complex, perhaps?

[TSA]

Smart people don't need to tell everyone how smart they are and don't feel the need to insult the intelligence of others. Why are you so insecure?

A common trait of Aspergers is a complete lack of social skills.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is so cute!

Both of you fuckwits trying variants of the same schtick in an argument you weren't even involved in.

It's sad really. Keep trying and maybe someone will thing you are smart Darrin or you funny TSA.

[rascal]

:lol religious people claiming others can't "fathom" something

Who is religious. I don't even go to church, too lazy to go on a Sunday especially when there is fishing or football.

[rascal]

The religious zealot always backs into an untenable position by the inability to utter a very simple phrase:

I don't know.

When one starts creating rules and deities... It's asking observation, evidence and logic to punch you in the face.

The non believers have no answers as to how the Big bang happened and how did life start from nothing.

[rascal]

I am proud to say I believe in God. You should be ashamed to announce you are an atheist. I wouldn't trust an atheist with anything.

[Blake]

The non believers have no answers as to how the Big bang happened and how did life start from nothing.

Why do you limit your options to two?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The non believers have no answers as to how the Big bang happened and how did life start from nothing.

Yet there is proof that the big bang happened.

Your god has no proof of existence or cause.

[rascal]

[B]When Rives, among on the Bible literalist assholes, starts with the FACT that Genesis, 144 hours to create the universe, is historically and scientifically TRUE, the discussion is dead.

An hour in Gods time can be billions of years in our time. Different dimensions- different timelines.

[boutons_deux]

"The non believers have no answers as to how the Big bang happened"

to you duped, naive Bible-thumping literalists, there was no Big Bang, just God creating everything in 144 hours. Makes everything simiple-(minded), don't it?

[boutons_deux]

An hour in Gods time can be billions of years in our time. Different dimensions- different timelines.

no, so you interpret "day" as whatever the fuck you want it to be? HERESY!

[rascal]

no, so you interpret "day" as whatever the fuck you want it to be? HERESY!



yes that explains it.

[rascal]

[COLOR=#000000]"The non believers have no answers as to how the Big bang happened"

to you duped, naive Bible-thumping literalists, there was no Big Bang, just God creating everything in 144 hours. Makes everything simiple-(minded), don't it?


/COLOR]

I am not a bible thumping literalist. I don't even own a Bible.

[rascal]

Yet there is proof that the big bang happened.

Your god has no proof of existence or cause.

God caused the Big bang

[Blake]

I am not a bible thumping literalist. I don't even own a Bible.

So you're making up your own version of God.

That's even more illogical than being a Bible literalist.

[Blake]

God caused the Big bang

Who created God?

[rascal]

So you're making up your own version of God.

That's even more illogical than being a Bible literalist.

I am not making up any version.

[rascal]

Who created God?

No one. God created everything. God created the entire 3rd dimension and everything in it. The universe will compact to nothing as it gets sucked into itself when the time is right and expansion from the big bang stops in the future. The 3rd dimension will no longer exist when the end of time comes and the last man is born. the name of the last man is already known, the future is already known and the choices you make are already known. Because the future is known does not mean you didn't have free will.

[scott]

An hour in Gods time can be billions of years in our time. Different dimensions- different timelines.

Seems legit

[rascal]

So you're making up your own version of God.

That's even more illogical than being a Bible literalist.

The problem with Bible literalists is they get confused with meanings in trannslations and get closed minded to all other religions.

[Blake]

I am not making up any version.

you already said you aren't religious.

If you don't subscribe to a religion but you believe in a God, then by the rules of communication using the English language, you're making up your own version.

[boutons_deux]

The problem with Bible literalists is they get confused with meanings in trannslations and get closed minded to all other religions.

a world view nearly always excludes all other world views

[Blake]

No one. God created everything. God created the entire 3rd dimension and everything in it. The universe will compact to nothing as it gets sucked into itself when the time is right and expansion from the big bang stops in the future. The 3rd dimension will no longer exist when the end of time comes and the last man is born. the name of the last man is already known, the future is already known and the choices you make are already known. Because the future is known does not mean you didn't have free will.



I am not making up any version.


Lol

[rascal]

a world view nearly always excludes all other world views



Not according to the Pope. There are many paths to God through other religions according to the Pope. I always believed the same.

[rascal]

Lol

Not a version of God just my individual beliefs but I would not say it is a version. I am raised a Catholic just seldom go to church. I relate more to that religion but like most catholics don't follow all the doctrine which looks to be moving towards change in the future .

Like I said in other threads talking with you is a waste of time. You are a committed atheist who is fooled in your own ignorance.

[boutons_deux]

Not according to the Pope.

My boy Francis ain't starting wars, running terror/genocide campaigns, etc, etc. against other religions.

Ecumenism, esp Catholic - Protestant, or Christian-Muslim, is pretty much a joke. Even Prod denoms despise each other as much as the 100s of religions and sects in India do.

[rascal]

My boy Francis ain't starting wars, running terror/genocide campaigns, etc, etc. against other religions.

Ecumenism, esp Catholic - Protestant, or Christian-Muslim, is pretty much a joke. Even Prod denoms despise each other as much as the 100s of religions and sects in India do.

That is the work of satan, to divide religions and pit man against man.

[Blake]

Not a version of God just my individual beliefs but I would not say it is a version. I am raised a Catholic just seldom go to church. I relate more to that religion but like most catholics don't follow all the doctrine which looks to be moving towards change in the future .

Like I said in other threads talking with you is a waste of time. You are a committed atheist who is fooled in your own ignorance.

I get you just fine. You want to take the feel good parts of religion(s) to fashion yourself a nice emotional/mental security blanket.

In this sense, you're making up your own version of God.

If you can't own up to what you are already admitting to, then yeah, you're wasting your time here.

[Blake]

That is the work of satan, to divide religions and pit man against man.

Have you ever thought about just how ridiculously unintelligent Satan is?

[rascal]

Have you ever thought about just how ridiculously unintelligent Satan is?

This exactly what I expected you to say. Satans great play is to make fools like you believe he does not exist. You have no clue what life is all about, it is not some random event with no meaning or purpose in the end which is what it is for atheists. Life is a test to prove your worthiness .

You deserve to not exist after you die because after all that is what you believe.
You should get what you believe.

[clambake]

the pope lol

[rascal]

the pope lol

I like the Pope. The Pope is cool.

[Blake]

This exactly what I expected you to say. Satans great play is to make fools like you believe he does not exist. You have no clue what life is all about, it is not some random event with no meaning or purpose in the end which is what it is for atheists. Life is a test to prove your worthiness .

You deserve to not exist after you die because after all that is what you believe.
You should get what you believe.

What's in it for Satan?

[clambake]

the pope's aren't even worthy.

[rascal]

What's in it for Satan?

Go do your own research.

[rascal]

the pope's aren't even worthy.

Not for you to decide.

[Blake]

Go do your own research.

I'm asking for your opinion

Are you really about to chicken out now after being so condescending earlier?

[clambake]

Not for you to decide.

the pope's didn't stop their preachers from molesting children. they protected them instead.

it is for me to decide, cuz your god didn't stop them either.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

God caused the Big bang

Lies. It was that horny monkey after it traded in it's tennis ball for a football. Or are you saying God is a lustful monkey?

[clambake]

Or are you saying God is a lustful monkey?

he didn't stop them.

he just watched.

how creepy is that?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

he didn't stop them.

he just watched.

how creepy is that?

They should make pr0n out of it I say.

[rascal]

the pope's didn't stop their preachers from molesting children. they protected them instead.

it is for me to decide, cuz your god didn't stop them either.

Not for you to decide.

[rascal]

Lies. It was that horny monkey after it traded in it's tennis ball for a football. Or are you saying God is a lustful monkey?

??? This doesn't make any sense.

[clambake]

Not for you to decide.

it is for me to decide.

[rascal]

the pope's didn't stop their preachers from molesting children. they protected them instead.

it is for me to decide, cuz your god didn't stop them either.

Popes? Which popes? god doesn't stop anyone from doing anything. You will be judged and have free will to do whatever you want just pay up in the end.

Good luck because you are on the wrong path.

[rascal]

he didn't stop them.

he just watched.

how creepy is that?

You are an idiot if you think God will stop anything.

[rascal]

he didn't stop them.

he just watched.

how creepy is that?

What did he watch? Bullshit

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You are an idiot if you think God will stop anything.

What kind of an "all-powerful" god won't stop anything?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

he didn't stop them.

he just watched.

how creepy is that?

Jerry Sandgodsky

[FuzzyLumpkins]

??? This doesn't make any sense.

Since when is 'understanding' or 'sense' a prerequisite for you? You will have to do better than this or your god will punish you like the football.

[rascal]

What kind of an "all-powerful" god won't stop anything?

You are clueless. You better be more concerned about what happens after you die.

[rascal]

Since when is 'understanding' or 'sense' a prerequisite for you? You will have to do better than this or your god will punish you like the football.

? You make no sense. You respond like some drunk.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You are clueless. You better be more concerned about what happens after you die.

The priests who raped 12 year old boys weren't concerned. If god was too much of a pussy to deal with them, I think I'll be alright.

[rascal]

Jerry Sandgodsky

You are evil. God will have no mercy on people like you.

[rascal]

The priests who raped 12 year old boys weren't concerned. If god was too much of a pussy to deal with them, I think I'll be alright.

No, you will go to hell if you keep calling God a pussy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

? You make no sense. You respond like some drunk.

You are clueless. You better be more concerned about what happens after you die.

I am just going to parrot your troll schtick for your logical inconsistencies back at you.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You are evil. God will have no mercy on people like you.

Did he have mercy on the priests who repeatedly sodomized 12 year old boys, or the pope who covered the scandal up?

[rascal]

The priests who raped 12 year old boys weren't concerned. If god was too much of a pussy to deal with them, I think I'll be alright.

God will deal with everyone in a just matter. Worry about yourself.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, you will go to hell if you keep calling God a pussy.

I am sure he doesn't believe that but according to Matthew 7 if anyone is hellbound, it is you.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No, you will go to hell if you keep calling God a pussy.

:lmao so it's OK to rape 12 year boys but calling god a pussy is a no-no?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

God will deal with everyone in a just matter. Worry about yourself.

Does Jerry Sandgodsky molest kids himself? He's probably sitting up there with Joe Paterno right now lining the 26 Newtown victims up and going to town on them :lol

[rascal]

I am sure he doesn't believe that but according to Matthew 7 if anyone is hellbound, it is you.

Everyone will stand before God. I wouldn't want to be you- a non believer when his time comes.

[rascal]

Does Jerry Sandgodsky molest kids himself? He's probably sitting up there with Joe Paterno right now lining the 26 Newtown victims up and going to town on them :lol

Not surprised to see a response like this from you. I would kick your ass if I saw you in person for such a response.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Everyone will stand before God. I wouldn't want to be you- a non believer when his time comes.

I always love these type of threats.

Whats funny is I know the dogma and the gospels as well as Paul go to great lengths in the NT stating you are not to judge. Yet here you are doing just that.

I hope for your sake that you are trolling and a nonbeliever because if you are indeed a believer I think some introspection is in order. You get the lake of fire too by your doctrine.

Enjoy.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Not surprised to see a response like this from you. I would kick your ass if I saw you in person for such a response.

:lol Aren't Christians supposed to forgive? Good luck explaining why you kicked someone's ass to god when your time comes.

[rascal]

I always love these type of threats.

Whats funny is I know the dogma and the gospels as well as Paul go to great lengths in the NT stating you are not to judge. Yet here you are doing just that.

I hope for your sake that you are trolling and a nonbeliever because if you are indeed a believer I think some introspection is in order. You get the lake of fire too by your doctrine.

Enjoy.

I'd rather take my chances as myself than you.

[rascal]

:lol Aren't Christians supposed to forgive? Good luck explaining why you kicked someone's ass to god when your time comes.

He will say you deserved it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

He will say you deserved it.

That's his decision, not yours. As Fuzzy said, the bible talks about this. It's not up to you who deserves it whether or not you're right. You're a terrible Christian.

[rascal]

I always love these type of threats.

Whats funny is I know the dogma and the gospels as well as Paul go to great lengths in the NT stating you are not to judge. Yet here you are doing just that.

I hope for your sake that you are trolling and a nonbeliever because if you are indeed a believer I think some introspection is in order. You get the lake of fire too by your doctrine.

Enjoy.

I may fail in some areas but you fail in the most basic, you reject him and call Jesus a fraud, a fake.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I may fail in some areas but you fail in the most basic, you reject him and call Jesus a fraud, a fake.

You want to talk about the NT's take on 'lukewarm' christians? It's pretty clearr that there is a special place in hell for those that pretend at devoutness like you have on full display here. Your god finds you wanting and there is no seat in the kingdom of heaven for the likes of you.

I did get a double post so I am guessing some of what I am saying is getting through.

FWIW, I would call Paul, Peter, John, etc frauds. Jesus not so much. Keep flailing though.

[rascal]

You want to talk about the NT's take on 'lukewarm' christians? It's pretty clearr that there is a special place in hell for those that pretend at devoutness like you have on full display here. Your god finds you wanting and there is no seat in the kingdom of heaven for the likes of you.

I did get a double post so I am guessing some of what I am saying is getting through.

FWIW, I would call Paul, Peter, John, etc frauds. Jesus not so much. Keep flailing though.

I never claimed to be devout. I even said I don't go to church very often but I am no atheist.

[rascal]

You want to talk about the NT's take on 'lukewarm' christians? It's pretty clearr that there is a special place in hell for those that pretend at devoutness like you have on full display here. Your god finds you wanting and there is no seat in the kingdom of heaven for the likes of you.

I did get a double post so I am guessing some of what I am saying is getting through.

FWIW, I would call Paul, Peter, John, etc frauds. Jesus not so much. Keep flailing though.

Backpeddling on Jesus now. If Peter, John, Paul are frauds and they were the ones chosen by Jesus to spread his word then that makes Jesus a fraud.

Jesus said he would rise from the dead in 3 days. If you say Jesus was not a fraud then you believe he rose from the dead, then you would have to believe he is God.

[clambake]

he, lol. poor indoctrinated rascal.

[pgardn]

I never claimed to be devout. I even said I don't go to church very often but I am no atheist.

Clearly you are not. You know seem to know all the rules. Stand before God, and who will fail by standing. Where did you come up with all this?

Say: I don't know instead of judging and condemning Mr. Christian.

[pgardn]

That is the work of satan, to divide religions and pit man against man.

Just making stuff up.

Amazing...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Backpeddling on Jesus now. If Peter, John, Paul are frauds and they were the ones chosen by Jesus to spread his word then that makes Jesus a fraud.

Jesus said he would rise from the dead in 3 days. If you say Jesus was not a fraud then you believe he rose from the dead, then you would have to believe he is God.

I have stated many times that it is unfortunate that Jesus never worded his kabbalah. None of your Bible is written by jesus because jesus was illiterate. I am not going to call that guy a fraud for something he did not do.

When you start reading the Bible as something written by various priest classes making up stories and dictates in order to govern or otherwise exert social control then it makes a heck of a lot more sense. I think Paul especially did the world a gross disservice. The early Levites were contemptible tbh.

[rascal]

I have stated many times that it is unfortunate that Jesus never worded his kabbalah. None of your Bible is written by jesus because jesus was illiterate. I am not going to call that guy a fraud for something he did not do.

When you start reading the Bible as something written by various priest classes making up stories and dictates in order to govern or otherwise exert social control then it makes a heck of a lot more sense. I think Paul especially did the world a gross disservice. The early Levites were contemptible tbh.

Jesus was not illiterate.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jesus was not illiterate.

It's a meaningless point. None of the works of the NT were written by Jesus but instead written 70 years after he supposedly croaked.

Paul never lived or worked with Jesus. He supposedly saw him in a vision. Whenever someone tells you that they had a vision and the vision told them rules for you to live by, I personally take it with a grain of salt. Moses, Abraham, Smith, Muhammad, Paul, etc. Have to love how God only reveals himself to one person at a time. People love to eat up the notion of a chosen one.

[Blake]

I never claimed to be devout. I even said I don't go to church very often but I am no atheist.

as long as you're meeting the minimum requirements. :tu

Personally I hate HOAs, so Heaven doesn't sound that great to me. I'm betting I can turn my Hell house garage into a recreational room without getting a nasty letter from Satan telling my that I'm violating deed restrictions.