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N0 LyF3 ScRuB
01-10-2014, 12:55 PM
ESPN slamming Luck


Forgive me if I just can't quite see it yet.No doubt I'll soon snap out of my stupor, update my Lasik surgery and view Andrew Luck (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14874/andrew-luck) the way seemingly everyone but me does: as the next Greatest Quarterback Ever and even (beware lightning strike) the NFL's Michael Jordan.
Yes, this week, Luck's general manager Ryan Grigson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/7918/ryan-grigson) compared what his second-year quarterback has done in fourth quarters to -- Dramamine, please -- the NBA player with six rings and six Finals MVPs in six tries.
"It's like Jordan when he'd take the last shot -- he wants the ball," Grigson told NFL.com after his Colts had come from 38-10 down to mortify the Chiefs in last Saturday's very wild-card game.
And yes, Colts coach Chuck Pagano merely suggested that Luck "is probably gonna go down as one of the best, if not the best, ever to play when all is said and done."
If not THE best. Holy Joe Montana (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/6445/joe-montana)

Understand, Grigson went MJ and Pagano reached for Greatest Ever soon after Luck had thrown THREE interceptions in his home dome against a Kansas City team that had lost five of its last seven games, had lost to injury early in this game its best offensive weapon (Jamaal Charles (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11307/jamaal-charles)), then its fastest receiver (Donnie Avery (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11267/donnie-avery)), then its backup running back (Knile Davis (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15832/knile-davis)) … while also losing both starting cornerbacks, Brandon Flowers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11269/brandon-flowers) and Dunta Robinson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5535/dunta-robinson), and eventually losing its best pass rusher, Justin Houston (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14048/justin-houston), whose bookend, Tamba Hali (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9606/tamba-hali), was sadly limited on a knee that had to be drained the week before.
Once the Chiefs' pass rush disappeared, and they were down to third-string running back Cyrus Gray (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14897/cyrus-gray), and they had no one left who could cover T.Y. Hilton (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14924/ty-hilton), I (for one) would've been disappointed in Luck if he HADN'T finished off the comeback. The Chiefs' luck went from bad to worse when a Colts fumble at the 2 bounced right back to Luck at the 5 and he hurtled through the shell-shocked Chiefs into the end zone.
Andrew was really good, but Andrew was Lucky.
I'm sorry, but THAT game -- Luck's first playoff win in two tries -- is being viewed by many as Luck's Canton-bound coronation? What exactly is it about this kid that inspires so many to race to proclaim him the This or the That while stumbling blindly past obvious negatives?
I see a big, smart, fairly athletic, remarkably resilient QB who throws a nice deep ball -- a fine young player. I do not see a lock first-ballot Hall of Famer. Not yet, at least.
But no, I did not hop the runaway train full of nodding sages who saw greatness in Stanford's Luck and, to a degree, bet their reputations on him as the no-doubt first pick in the draft and who now reach for every little flash of greatness to say, "See! Told you."
I watched Luck a lot in college. On an ESPNU show, I picked Stanford to win at Oregon when Luck was a junior. Stanford led 31-24 at half … and lost the second half 28-0 as Luck threw two interceptions.
When Luck was a senior, I saw the late interception returned for a touchdown that nearly cost Stanford the game at USC, and while Luck played pretty well in the Fiesta Bowl, I watched Oklahoma State's Brandon Weeden (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14878/brandon-weeden) outplay him.
Now Luck still throws from something of a low-rider crouch, without much style or flair. I see no Elway or Favre or Marino in his game -- no wow factor. While his teammates all seem to love him -- how could they not? -- I don't see dynamic leadership. I see consistently, solidly unspectacular.
This season Luck has thrown for 300 or more yards only three times -- all spectacular losses, 38-8 to St. Louis at home, 24-20 to Miami at home (when Ryan Tannehill (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14876/ryan-tannehill) outplayed Luck) and 42-28 at Cincinnati.
Peyton Manning (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/1428/peyton-manning), the Colts' legend replaced by Luck, has thrown for 300 or more 12 times this season, winning 11. His only loss? Naturally, his wildly anticipated return to the House That He Built in Indy. That Sunday night, Peyton threw for 386, three touchdowns and an interception. Luck: 228, three touchdowns, no interceptions.
That's Luck.
At his best, Luck has turned into more of a Pro Bowl game manager. At his best -- and worst -- he's actually more Eli than Peyton. Like the Manning brothers, Luck grew up the son of a former NFL quarterback (Oliver Luck played for the Houston Oilers from 1982 to '86). But like Eli, Andrew has an unsinkable, almost oblivious confidence. High football IQ but no ability to remember mistakes. Luck knows he was born to play QB, so if he screws up, so what, he just shrugs and keeps playing, as Kansas City will attest.
Peyton seems keenly aware of the moment and its historical perspective. Eli and Luck sometimes appear to forget where they are, whom they're playing against and what the stakes are. They just keep playing, as Eli did twice to Tom Brady (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2330/tom-brady)'s everlasting torment in Super Bowls against the Patriots.
But Luck will let his pedigree get the best of him -- he will occasionally go Eli and try something he shouldn't. In the last two seasons, he has had four three-interception games, second most in the NFL to … Eli, with six. Last season, his rookie year, Luck had the NFL's second-most turnovers, 23, just three fewer than Mark "Butt Fumble" Sanchez. At New England last year, Luck threw two interceptions returned for touchdowns and lost a fumble at his 24 that Brady immediately turned into the break-it-open touchdown. Patriots, 59-24.

I doubt Luck has lost a second's sleep this week dwelling on last year's nightmare in Foxborough. Back on that field for a playoff game this Saturday night, Luck is just as likely to outplay Brady as he is to throw the same interceptions he did last Saturday against the Chiefs.
The kid can be as hard to figure as his team. Not only did the Colts beat AFC top seed Denver 39-33, but they thoroughly whipped the 49ers in San Francisco, 27-7, and Luck played his best game as a pro in a comeback win at home over NFC top seed Seattle, 34-28.
Luck now has nine fourth-quarter comebacks and 11 game-winning drives -- hence "Michael Jordan." Yet nearly all are of the slow, steady variety. Against Seattle, the Colts took the lead for good at 31-28 after a 14-play, 84-yard drive produced a touchdown (and two-point conversion) with 8:55 left. Yes, the Colts' defense still had to stop Russell Wilson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14881/russell-wilson) and Co. twice more to preserve Luck's "Jordanesque" heroics.
And, forgive the objectivity, the Colts nearly lost their opener at home to Oakland, struggled twice with Tennessee and at Houston (which finished 2-14) and on top of the Miami, St. Louis and Cincinnati losses, stunk it up on a Monday night in San Diego (19-9) and fell 40-11 at Arizona. The great news Saturday was the second biggest comeback in NFL history. The bad news: The Chiefs led 38-10 without Jamaal Charles.
Yes, the Colts' defense ranks no better than 20th while they're tied for 20th in rushing. And yes, Luck lost a mentor and go-to receiver, Reggie Wayne (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2578/reggie-wayne), for the season on Oct. 20. But seriously, is Luck having Jordanesque impact? His QBR ranked 11th last season but did improve to ninth this season (while falling from 65 to 62). Does that, as my "First Take" debate partner Stephen A. Smith says, qualify Luck as a "game-changer who just oozes greatness"?
Maybe I'd be more sold if Luck acted more like a star. Maybe so many rush to lionize Luck because he's just so ordinary-Joe likeable. He seems impossibly unassuming and humble, and with that mountain-man beard of his looks more like an offensive lineman than a quarterback. This is as starless a star as I can remember.
I was on record before Luck's draft that Robert Griffin (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14875/robert-griffin) III would prove to be the better NFL QB. He certainly made me look right last season with his 20 TD passes to just five interceptions, fifth-in-the-NFL QBR, division title and 14-0 lead over Seattle in his first playoff game before aggravating, then wrecking his knee. But this year RG III made the Luck-lovers beam when he let his stardom go to head, rushed back from knee surgery and forgot how to play quarterback.
Now the tortoise has overtaken the hare.
The day the Colts eased Peyton out the back door in favor of Luck, I said they were making a monumental mistake. The NFL is a win-now business and Peyton, I said, would give the Colts a better chance of winning a Super Bowl for the next three seasons (last year, this year and next). For the second straight year, Peyton has lifted Denver to a 13-3 record and potentially two home playoff games, this time with a record-shattering 55 TD passes and 5,477 yards.
But last year, of course, Peyton's postseason record fell to 9-11 and he lost his third straight playoff game thanks to a Hail Flacco that forced the overtime in which Peyton threw the killer interception.
Advantage, Andrew? Maybe he IS just blessed and destined. Maybe I'm asking for it to dare to doubt this kid as he returns to face the Patriots (my Super Bowl pick) and the pretty-boy quarterback who got Eli-ed twice in Super Bowls.
Maybe, late Saturday night, you'll tell me, "Told you."

DeadlyDynasty
01-10-2014, 01:04 PM
*written by Skip Bayless:lmao

leemajors
01-10-2014, 01:08 PM
*written by Skip Bayless:lmao

yeah, you gotta include a link or who said it. :tu to Chance Boudreaux there

Lincoln
01-10-2014, 01:20 PM
We all know skip is an RG3 dick rider. Just watch him on first take and he is a blatant skins/RG3 homer. I'm not surprised at all tbh

DeadlyDynasty
01-10-2014, 01:23 PM
yeah, you gotta include a link or who said it. :tu to Chance Boudreaux there
http://media1.giphy.com/media/GiKONlO8ER08U/giphy.gif

leemajors
01-10-2014, 01:29 PM
http://media1.giphy.com/media/GiKONlO8ER08U/giphy.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la-3aIPHA9g

Holden_Caulfield
01-10-2014, 01:34 PM
:lol what a fail

AchillesHeel
01-10-2014, 01:45 PM
saw the title and

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MXjwTiNCh9Y/T7DuAonjP-I/AAAAAAAABK0/ZbId5wAzqWk/s320/darth-vader-didnt-read.gif

resistanze
01-10-2014, 01:47 PM
'He's more like 2-time Super Bowl MVP Eli!'

Ouch :lol

Not even sure why people are upset about the article, tbh

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
01-10-2014, 01:47 PM
*written by Skip Bayless:lmao

good catch i didn't see it. i just saw it as the front page headline so i thought it would get some interesting responses up here

Raven
01-10-2014, 01:55 PM
wow, what an abortion.. it's like a list of top 10 all time bad takes with the author still trying to spin them as the truth.. then i saw the author..

KoolAid Mans Brother
01-10-2014, 02:02 PM
:lmao Cat owners

vander
01-10-2014, 03:30 PM
I think he's more like roethlisberger

dg7md
01-10-2014, 04:02 PM
That's bullshit. Luck will be the next Tom Brady, I think, not either of the Mannings. That clutch drive in the win against KC reminded me of TB with how he executed down the field and never lost it despite being really aggressive. He'll take that spot for sure if/when the Colts beat the Patriots in the playoffs.

SupremeGuy
01-10-2014, 07:40 PM
Luck has massive potential, and he's still young as fuck. Comparing him to Superbowl winning quarterbacks is way fucking premature though.

Thebesteva
01-10-2014, 08:48 PM
Skip likes getting a rise out of people. Kind of like when I say OP likes cats

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
01-10-2014, 10:10 PM
Kind of like when I say OP likes cats

Or that you've never experienced the inside of a vagina in your entire life.

Cats are the shit my dude. I'd rather have an animal that doesn't need me to pay attention him every second of the day. Seems a lot less gay than wanting to rub a dog 24/7.

J.T.
01-10-2014, 10:35 PM
Man, I really wish sports media had the ability to interpret things in the proper context. Luck has 11 fourth quarter comeback wins and 8 game winning drives with only two years of NFL football under his belt. After the Chiefs game last week, the Colts GM basically said Luck had a hard time with watching the Colts defense have to stop the Chiefs to protect their 1 point lead and win the game, then said that Luck wants to have the ball in his hands with the opportunity to lead a game winning drive the same way Jordan would want to take the last shot to win. He did not say Luck = Jordan straight up, but as we all know humanity in 2014 is mostly fucking retarded and can't take that in the proper context.

Those of us who rate Luck highly do so because he plays his best football in the most critical situations. As a Colts fan, I would honestly rather have that than 55 TD's. Yeah, Luck's statistics aren't elite yet but he's come a long way in 34 starts. His offensive line is terrible, his team has the most players on IR in the entire NFL, yet he wins games. I always bash Avante because he rates Wilson so highly and Luck so lowly but doesn't take into account Wilson plays on a stacked team and Luck does not, insinuating it's Luck's fault his team's overall talent can't make things easy for him the way Wilson's can. Luck on the Seahawks probably goes 19-0 this year not kidding, well maybe if they had TY Hilton too.

SupremeGuy
01-10-2014, 10:56 PM
lol I don't know the backstory but is thread about cat fuckers?

DAF86
01-11-2014, 10:53 PM
http://www.vibe.com/sites/vibe.com/files/styles/slide_image/public/photo_gallery_images/skip-bayless-again-nba-playoffs-2012.jpg

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
01-11-2014, 10:58 PM
http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/triple-bayless.png%3Fw%3D640

spurraider21
01-11-2014, 11:13 PM
I dno. Luck looks an awful lot like Peyton against the patriots :lol

Trill Clinton
01-12-2014, 10:40 AM
skip was right about luckhttp://i41.tinypic.com/214y5n8.png

Clipper Nation
01-12-2014, 10:42 AM
skip was right about luckhttp://i41.tinypic.com/214y5n8.png
No he wasn't.... Eli can beat the Pats :lol

KoolAid Mans Brother
01-12-2014, 10:45 AM
Luck will win more Super Bowls in his career than Wilson, Kaepernick, and Newton combined. Once the Colts build a team around him, and the current generation of elite QBs retire, it's going to be Luck's league. If the 49ers, Panthers, and Seahawks didn't have elite defenses and rushing games, they would be very horrible teams, because their QBs simply aren't good enough to produce wins on their own like Luck is.

Trill Clinton
01-12-2014, 10:46 AM
No he wasn't.... Eli can beat the Pats :lol

well damn!http://i41.tinypic.com/214y5n8.png

Trill Clinton
01-12-2014, 10:48 AM
:rollin

http://i40.tinypic.com/ndln9s.gif

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
01-12-2014, 10:52 AM
Luck will win more Super Bowls in his career than Wilson, Kaepernick, and Newton combined.

nope

Trill Clinton
01-12-2014, 10:54 AM
Luck will win more Super Bowls in his career than Wilson, Kaepernick, and Newton combined. Once the Colts build a team around him, and the current generation of elite QBs retire, it's going to be Luck's league. If the 49ers, Panthers, and Seahawks didn't have elite defenses and rushing games, they would be very horrible teams, because their QBs simply aren't good enough to produce wins on their own like Luck is.

luck isn't good enough to win on his own, doggie. he needs a legit runningback to take the load off of him. he would be better off as a game manager. luck throws way too many picks to ask him to win games on his own, especially in the playoffshttp://i41.tinypic.com/214y5n8.jpg

Clipper Nation
01-12-2014, 10:58 AM
After the Richardson trade, not sure how anyone can trust the Colts to build a real team around Luck.... looks like their real GM (Telesco) went to the Chargers :lol

KoolAid Mans Brother
01-12-2014, 10:59 AM
luck isn't good enough to win on his own, doggie. he needs a legit runningback to take the load off of him. he would be better off as a game manager. luck throws way too many picks to ask him to win games on his own, especially in the playoffshttp://i41.tinypic.com/214y5n8.jpg

The Colts had the 20th ranked rushing offense this season and the 20th ranked defense. Luck took this team on his back to win the division and orchestrated the 2nd largest comeback in NFL playoff history. Luck has 11 fourth quarter comeback wins and 8 game winning drives with only two years of NFL football under his belt.

If Luck had an elite D and rushing game like the Seahawks, Pahthers, or 49ers, I would feel sorry for the rest of the league.

Trill Clinton
01-12-2014, 11:03 AM
The Colts had the 20th ranked rushing offense this season and the 20th ranked defense. Luck took this team on his back to win the division and orchestrated the 2nd largest comeback in NFL playoff history. Luck has 11 fourth quarter comeback wins and 8 game winning drives with only two years of NFL football under his belt.

If Luck had an elite D and rushing game like the Seahawks, Pahthers, or 49ers, I would feel sorry for the rest of the league.

if if if if...who's fault is it that he has thrown 6 INTS in two games?http://i41.tinypic.com/214y5n8.jpg

Trill Clinton
01-12-2014, 11:04 AM
if cam, russy or kaep would have thrown 6 ints in 2 playoff games...the shit talking would be crazy.

luck throws 6 INTS in two games and its quieter than a mouse pissin' on cottonhttp://i41.tinypic.com/214y5n8.jpg

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
01-12-2014, 11:05 AM
if cam, russy or kaep would have thrown 6 ints in 2 playoff games...the shit talking would be crazy.

luck throws 6 INTS in two games and its quieter than a mouse pissin' on cottonhttp://i41.tinypic.com/214y5n8.jpg

truth bombs...


plus OP is deflecting that Cam has 5 game winning drives this year alone. & that Cam has better passing stats this year than Luck with less weapons at receiver

Raven
01-12-2014, 11:19 AM
truth bombs...


plus OP is deflecting that Cam has 5 game winning drives this year alone. & that Cam has better passing stats this year than Luck with less weapons at receiver
excuse me?

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
01-12-2014, 11:23 AM
excuse me?

don't make me post the stats... just look them up dude

i might post them when i get back from this game tonight IF Carolina wins lol

Raven
01-12-2014, 11:35 AM
don't make me post the stats... just look them up dude

i might post them when i get back from this game tonight IF Carolina wins lol

Cum Newton - 211y/g 24td 13 int
Andrew Luck - 238y/g 23td 9int

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
01-12-2014, 11:46 AM
Cum Newton - 211y/g 24td 13 int
Andrew Luck - 238y/g 23td 9int

QBR, Completion %, yards per throw, less fumbles

Raven
01-12-2014, 11:59 AM
QBR, Completion %, yards per throw, less fumbles

you mentioned passing stats. And :lol @ inflated completion % by scrambling for 0 yds most of the time

J.T.
01-12-2014, 12:37 PM
Hey I'm not going to defend Luck on the interceptions. Most of them were his fault, a couple weren't but that's still too many turnovers in two games. However I'd love to see Luck play on a team whose defense doesn't give up 87 points in two playoff games and see how far he could get. The Colts haven't been able to stop the run for 10 years, all the Patriots did was exploit a weakness. They still had to run the ball, but I'm sure that was simple as fuck to gameplan for. Colts have been making second- and third-tier RB's look elite for the better part of the last decade.