Gary Payton dropping truth bombs, today's NBA is boring and sucks

[Thebesteva]

I have to agree. Guys are soft, the sport used to be about watching these guys bully eachother and fight. Today's game is pussy shit


"Basically everything. It's no defense, it's just run and gun. To me, there's only three point guards in the NBA that impress me; I got Chris Paul, Rondo, and another kid that I like a lot and I forgot his name right now. Oh, and Tony Parker (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3527). That's only three NBA players in there.
There's too much touch fouls. Every time you touch and they stay on the free throw line. That's no way to watch basketball. When we were playing, it was rough and tough. Even superstars like me fouled out a lot. That's because they let people play, and if you do something then you call it. But nowadays it's not like that and this is the era.
This is what kids want to see. You see these Playstations, they scoring 50 and 60 with one player, that's what they want to see on TV and I don't go with that. My era, give me one-on-one with somebody and stop him and right now you can't do that with a player because if you touch him he's going to the foul line and you're fouling out. Let him be rough. If he got an opportunity to go at you in the offensive end, let me go at him on the defensive end and rough him up. So that's the way I like basketball and I don't think it's like that.

[spurraider21]

I agree with the pussyness. What's annoying is that guys like Harden are plenty talented... they're good enough to not rely on the refs, but they play for free throws instead. Still, I wouldn't call the league "boring" as a result of it. The long season has more to do with that

[KaiRMD1]

Ol' sport is on point, I feel the exact same way. Funny how he didn't even put Westbrook

[AchillesHeel]

what was Payton rambling about kids wanting to see guys drop 50-60? Last 60 point game was by Kirby, and it was 5 yrs ago. only a few players have dropped 50 recently.

There were a lot more high-scoring games without these new gay rules...tbh. If anything, these rules have lowered the scoring rate due to all these offensive fouls being called.

But I agree with everything else.

[thunderup]

:lol Payton is just an overrated piece of shit negroid who benefitted from playing in a decade long watered down league. Nobody cares what he says. It's all about the now. LeGOAT, Kevin, and Cliff Paul will continue to carry the league and make it to be the best sport in the U. S. Of A outside of fooseball of course.

[AchillesHeel]

:lol Payton is just an overrated piece of shit negroid who benefitted from playing in a decade long watered down league. Nobody cares what he says. It's all about the now. LeGOAT, Kevin, and Cliff Paul will continue to carry the league and make it to be the best sport in the U. S. Of A outside of fooseball of course.

Why did you disable your sig, Mitchell.

[hater]

I'm glad The Glove agrees with me, it's what I been saying for months.

just last night the game Spurs vs. Pelicans was disgusting to watch. How many free throws were shot in that damn game, it crawled and was damn boring imo.

[AchillesHeel]

I'm glad The Glove agrees with me, it's what I been saying for months.

just last night the game Spurs vs. Pelicans was disgusting to watch. How many free throws were shot in that damn game, it crawled and was damn boring imo.

Seriously, I can't wait for the regular season to end. It's been boring as fuck.

[jeebus]

Why did you disable your sig, Mitchell.
bitchmade faggot obviously quit on his sig bet

[AchillesHeel]

bitchmade faggot obviously quit on his sig bet

check him out in the NFL forum though

he's a Pats fan now:lol

[Clipper Nation]

Why did you disable your sig, Mitchell.

:lmao Welching faggot

[thunderup]

Why did you disable your sig, Mitchell.
Name's big dog, and it isn't. :)

[lefty]

Payton is that nigga

[Clipper Nation]

Btw, I love how people gloss over the fact that flopping had already existed long before the '90s, tbh.... Frank Ramsey pioneered it in the '50s and '60s (even describing his flop techniques in a Sports Illustrated article), Red Auerbach was publicly complaining about it in the '70s.... Vlade Divac, Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, John Stockton, Karl Malone, etc. were flopping in the '90s....

Gotta love bitter old players whining about the current league and vanilla nostalgiafaggots slurping it up :lol

[AchillesHeel]

Name's big dog, and it isn't. :)

That's a good doggie.

[thunderup]

That's a good doggie.
^2nd most vanilla poster on ST, in my opinion.

[AchillesHeel]

^2nd most vanilla poster on ST, in my opinion.

Who's the 1st?

[cd98]

:lol Payton is just an overrated piece of shit negroid who benefitted from playing in a decade long watered down league. Nobody cares what he says. It's all about the now. LeGOAT, Kevin, and Cliff Paul will continue to carry the league and make it to be the best sport in the U. S. Of A outside of fooseball of course.

Overrated? He was a great player in his day. Your organization owes a huge debt to him. Dude would have won a title if not for playing in the Michael Jordan era.

[Clipper Nation]

Name's small poodle, and it isn't. :)

fify

[jeebus]

check him out in the NFL forum though

he's a Pats fan now:lol
what a fucking surprise :lol

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

The average Free Throw Attempt Rate (Free Throws Attempted Per Shot) of the league is actually a lot lower now than it was when he played. For example, in the 1996 season the average FTR was .329 compared to the .279 this season. Also, teams are fouling about 20.8 times per game this season compared to the 23 fouls per game in 1996. Sure, it is harder for guys to defend on the perimeter now, but teams have adapted.

[hater]

The average Free Throw Attempt Rate (Free Throws Attempted Per Shot) of the league is actually a lot lower now than it was when he played. For example, in the 1996 season the average FTR was .329 compared to the .279 this season. Also, teams are fouling about 20.8 times per game this season compared to the 23 fouls per game in 1996. Sure, it is harder for guys to defend on the perimeter now, but teams have adapted.

this does not contradict with what Payton said at all. He said there's too much "touch fouls" not "fouls". Sure teams have adapted by not "touching" perimeter players, but that's exactly what Payton is complaining about. And he is right.

in this pussy game, Bruce Bowen, Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen would foul out by the 3rd quarter imo

[Dex]

I agree with the pussyness. What's annoying is that guys like Harden are plenty talented... they're good enough to not rely on the refs, but they play for free throws instead. Still, I wouldn't call the league "boring" as a result of it. The long season has more to do with that

The problem isn't the players: it's the rules and the refs. Ever since the game evolved into this perimeter-oriented, no-hand-checking chuckfest, players have learned a new way to produce points: get to the line.

I know that is no new concept to basketball players, but it is one that is stressed by guards now more than ever. Players know that if they dribble into the lane and create contact, they are going to draw a whistle, even if they aren't looking to actually make the shot. That has led to theplayer's crusade to the charity stripe, with recent masters such as Kobe Bryant, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, and James Harden. Hell, some of these players have made such an art of getting fouled that it has pushed them into the upper echelon. Take away James Harden or Kevin Durant's free throws, and they suddenly start looking a lot more like the everyday jump-shooters in the league.

You can't blame the players for taking advantage of the system, though. They are doing their job and finding ways to produce by whatever means possible, just like using the "Hack-a" strategy is a legitimate way to take advantage of an opponent's weakness. Until they change the rules or start enforcing them differently, players are going to continue to put this onus on the refs to draw the whistle, and it's only going to get worse as more and more developing players realize this is a way to add 5 PPG to their average.

[ambchang]

And for this, we all have Michael Jordan to thank.

[lefty]

And for this, we all have Michael Jordan to thank.
In a way


But the pussification really started after his retirement in 98

This is when the NBA panicked and was afraid that the NBA would lose popularity, so they started to manufacture superstars and boost their scoring stats via rule changes and gay officiating

[Chomag]

I have always thought that the Offensive player should be getting a foul called on them if they are the ones creating the contact because they are the ones fouling the defensive player, but thats not how the NBA sees is it guess.

[DMC]

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Basic Box Score Stats


Starters
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Michael Jordan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)
44:00
15
35
.429
3
7
.429
12
15
.800
0
1
1
1
4
0
1
2
45


Toni Kukoc (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kukocto01.html)
42:00
7
14
.500
1
2
.500
0
0

0
3
3
4
0
0
0
3
15


Ron Harper (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harpero01.html)
29:00
3
4
.750
0
1
.000
2
2
1.000
0
3
3
3
1
2
1
2
8


Scottie Pippen (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html)
26:00
4
7
.571
0
0

0
0

0
3
3
4
2
1
2
2
8


Luc Longley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/longllu01.html)
14:00
0
1
.000
0
0

0
0

0
2
2
0
1
0
0
4
0


Reserves
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Dennis Rodman (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodmade01.html)
39:00
3
3
1.000
0
0

1
2
.500
4
4
8
1
2
1
2
5
7


Steve Kerr (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kerrst01.html)
24:00
0
0

0
0

0
0

0
0
0
3
1
0
1
3
0


Scott Burrell (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burresc01.html)
10:00
0
1
.000
0
0

0
0

0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0


Jud Buechler (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/buechju01.html)
8:00
1
1
1.000
0
0

0
0

1
1
2
1
0
0
0
1
2


Bill Wennington (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wennibi01.html)
4:00
1
1
1.000
0
0

0
0

0
0
0
0
0
0
2
1
2


Team Totals
240
34
67
.507
4
10
.400
15
19
.789
5
17
22
17
11
4
9
23
87

[HarlemHeat37]

The 90s was the shittiest, least entertaining brand of basketball of all-time, tbh:lol..handchecking, goons, big men with no skill, poor shooting, etc..

Riley-ball set the tone/trend of boring basketball for a long time..

Gary Payton is one of the most overrated players of my lifetime, tbh, and he's also arguably the dumbest man on the planet..

[DMC]

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Basic Box Score Stats


Starters
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Scottie Pippen (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html)
46:00
9
18
.500
5
10
.500
5
8
.625
5
4
9
5
1
0
1
2
28


Michael Jordan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)
43:00
12
27
.444
0
0

10
15
.667
3
5
8
2
2
0
3
1
34


Ron Harper (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harpero01.html)
34:00
2
7
.286
0
1
.000
2
4
.500
1
3
4
2
3
0
2
4
6


Toni Kukoc (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kukocto01.html)
29:00
3
9
.333
0
2
.000
2
2
1.000
0
1
1
4
0
1
0
3
8


Luc Longley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/longllu01.html)
23:00
0
1
.000
0
0

2
2
1.000
1
2
3
2
0
1
2
3
2


Reserves
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Dennis Rodman (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodmade01.html)
30:00
0
3
.000
0
0

6
8
.750
7
7
14
2
0
0
0
3
6


Scott Burrell (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burresc01.html)
18:00
1
5
.200
0
0

0
1
.000
0
5
5
0
0
0
1
1
2


Steve Kerr (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kerrst01.html)
16:00
0
3
.000
0
2
.000
0
0

0
0
0
1
1
0
0
2
0


Jud Buechler (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/buechju01.html)
1:00
0
0

0
0

0
0

0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0


Team Totals
240
27
73
.370
5
15
.333
27
40
.675
17
27
44
18
7
2
9
19
86

[lefty]

The 90s was the shittiest, least entertaining brand of basketball of all-time, tbh:lol..handchecking, goons, big men with no skill, poor shooting, etc..

Riley-ball set the tone/trend of boring basketball for a long time..

Gary Payton is one of the most overrated players of my lifetime, tbh, and he's also arguably the dumbest man on the planet..
The 90's shit on today's NBA


HH prefers Playstation basketball :lol

[313]

In a way


But the pussification really started after his retirement in 98

This is when the NBA panicked and was afraid that the NBA would lose popularity, so they started to manufacture superstars and boost their scoring stats via rule changes and gay officiating

That's why football > nba


.....although they've been doing their best to pussify the nfl lately.

[sook]

Truth bombs tbh, and I know that harden and the rockets would suffer....but GP is like one of those super arrogant players that thought he was all that and never was. Overrated piece of shit imo, never liked that smirk on his face.

[lefty]

GP was not overrated imo

He was terrific on both ends of the floor

[HarlemHeat37]

The All-Lucky To Have Won The Genetic Lottery Team(virtually every NBA player fits this criteria, but the following dudes are at the top) :

PG: Gary Payton/Magic Johnson/Derrick Rose
SG: JR Smith/Monta Ellis/Clyde Drexler
SF: Anthony Mason/Carmelo Anthony/Vernon Maxwell
PF: Dennis Rodman/Kenyon Martin
C: Moses Malone/Javale McGee/Kendrick Perkins

[sook]

GP was not overrated imo

He was terrific on both ends of the floor

He was good on both ends, but people mostly remember him for his defense. I would never call him a "superstar" of the league as he referred to himself. That term gets overused way too much anyways imo. Two superstars in this league right now, KD and Lebron.

[AchillesHeel]

The 90s was the shittiest, least entertaining brand of basketball of all-time, tbh:lol..handchecking, goons, big men with no skill, poor shooting, etc..

Riley-ball set the tone/trend of boring basketball for a long time..

Gary Payton is one of the most overrated players of my lifetime, tbh, and he's also arguably the dumbest man on the planet..

Big men with no skill? Hakeem,Shaq,Duncan,D-Rob,Ewing,Zo,Dikembe were just horrible. MJ was boring as fuck to watch. There were no elite 3pt shooters. Lebron is the GOAT.

[DMC]

The 90s was the shittiest, least entertaining brand of basketball of all-time, tbh:lol..handchecking, goons, big men with no skill, poor shooting, etc..

Riley-ball set the tone/trend of boring basketball for a long time..

Gary Payton is one of the most overrated players of my lifetime, tbh, and he's also arguably the dumbest man on the planet..

But incredibly articulate and well spoken.

[DMC]

GP was not overrated imo

He was terrific on both ends of the floor

Sure, if he had a mop.

[Rogue]

indeed it sucks when most veterans would want to coattail ride a stacked team, playing for shitty pay only to procure a championship ring before retiring, tbh.

[irishock]

I think both the 90's and the 10's are shit.

Last decade (especially the later part) was great though.

[Leetonidas]

Btw, I love how people gloss over the fact that flopping had already existed long before the '90s, tbh.... Frank Ramsey pioneered it in the '50s and '60s (even describing his flop techniques in a Sports Illustrated article), Red Auerbach was publicly complaining about it in the '70s.... Vlade Divac, Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, John Stockton, Karl Malone, etc. were flopping in the '90s....

Gotta love bitter old players whining about the current league and vanilla nostalgiafaggots slurping it up :lol

qft

[HarlemHeat37]

Big men with no skill? Hakeem,Shaq,Duncan,D-Rob,Ewing,Zo,Dikembe were just horrible. MJ was boring as fuck to watch. There were no elite 3pt shooters. Lebron is the GOAT.

I was referring to the mass amount of goons in the 90s, tbh..

[irishock]

There were no elite 3pt shooters.

Hey you forgot about that boy-toy sounding faggot on TNT

[Clipper Nation]

The '90s had its moments, but '80s-era basketball is more fun to watch, imho....

[irishock]

The '90s had its moments, but '80s-era basketball is more fun to watch, imho....

Laker fan detected :lol

[DMC]

I'll take today's game over any of it. Sure there were stars back then and we grew up with them, but there will be more and seeing how the game changes over time where teams play up tempo and find ways to make that work, that's more interesting than the grind it out games in the paint unless you're a purist. It reminds me of the early UFC days when Royce Gracie would spend the entire match on the ground working his ground game. It was boring, crowds would boo, but to a purist Gracie was a master and was painting his masterpiece.

[AchillesHeel]

Hey you forgot about that boy-toy sounding faggot on TNT

sarcasm

[irishock]

sarcasm

Ah fuck I'm a retard

[lefty]

Last decade (especially the later part) was great though.

Lol no

[Reck]

:lol Payton is just an overrated piece of shit negroid who benefitted from playing in a decade long watered down league. Nobody cares what he says. It's all about the now. LeGOAT, Kevin, and Cliff Paul will continue to carry the league and make it to be the best sport in the U. S. Of A outside of fooseball of course.

:lol Mitchell with the "I started watching Basketball 2 years ago bads."

If the league was watered down then, then what do you call it now? :lol

[Thebesteva]

The 90's shit on today's NBA


HH prefers Playstation basketball :lol

90's bball was the shit, not sure wtf Harlem is talking about. In the 90's there weren't really any divas or atleast if you were you'd get tossed up. Fouls were harder and the game was more about who is the alpha dog. Today's game is about who is the best at flopping and being a little bitch.

[HI-FI]

I prefer 80s basketball because that's what I grew up with, it was still a time of hard fouls, just wasn't as thuggish as 90s. even Bad Boys Pistons didn't seem as ugly as some of the shit in the 90s, outside of the Bulls.

Lol no

lefty why you have that overrated douche as your avatar?

[Clipper Nation]

In the 90's there weren't really any divas

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Derrick Coleman got on the cover of SI in '95 for being a whining, petulant diva.... Chris Webber held out and forced a trade after his rookie year, Scottie Pippen pouted on the bench when Phil didn't draw up the game-winning play for him.... players would skip practice, try to get guaranteed playing time clauses in their contracts, hell, Chris Morris even wrote "trade me" on his sneakers....

The revisionist history about the '90s NBA is hilarious, people really do believe everything they hear from the media :lol

[lefty]

I prefer 80s basketball because that's what I grew up with, it was still a time of hard fouls, just wasn't as thuggish as 90s. even Bad Boys Pistons didn't seem as ugly as some of the shit in the 90s, outside of the Bulls.


lefty why you have that overrated douche as your avatar?
The 3 time SB champ ?

[HI-FI]

The 3 time SB champ ?
Troy Aikman has 3 rings, he's not as good as Brady but he ain't a whining bitch like him either.

[Tuddy]

Big men with no skill? Hakeem,Shaq,Duncan,D-Rob,Ewing,Zo,Dikembe were just horrible. MJ was boring as fuck to watch. There were no elite 3pt shooters. Lebron is the GOAT.
Add Brad Daugherty and Rik Smits to that list. There is literally a handful of bigs in the league now with any post moves at all. All face up Center's.

[whitemamba]

The 90's shit on today's NBA


HH prefers Playstation basketball :lol

Isn't HH gay? Not surprising he likes soft basketball.

[CitizenDwayne]

Seriously, I can't wait for the regular season to end. It's been boring as fuck.

When the season ends, you'll be bored, wishing the season was on.

[RsxPiimp]

1996-2000 IMO is one of the most boring stretch of basketball. You have the league on life support hopelessly banking on Jordan's appeal to save them from bankruptcy. They were so desperate, that every athletic wingman or NC grad is pegged as the next Jordan :lol


Personally suggesting one era is better than the other is unreasonable IMO. In every decade or era, there is a timeline of bland and uninspiring basketball and there are seasons that completely stand out. For example, 91-93 was dope. I don't care what you say, but Jordan in his prime was a once in a lifetime, especially against the Knicks.
2001-2003 was decent until the Finals rolled in, the league invested heavily in Shaq-Kobe. We did saw Iverson and Carter duke it out in the playoffs and McGrady delivered the lulz against the Pistons. 04-05 was a snooze fest but Spurs-Pistons series did save it from going down as the worst.


2006-2011 were the finest years IMO. You can all disagree but that was the perfect storm for me. Lakers-Celtics, Dirk putting on one of the best post season run by annihilating the Lakers and the Heat. Wade, Lebron, Arenas and even new comers like KD and Brandon Roy were giving us plenty of highlight reels. Not a fan of them? No problem, Duncan and Gasol were schooling everyone in the post. And if you feel like going retro,
Shaq, Mutombo, Zo and Kidd were somehow in the mix. :lol


This season is the obligatory stink fest. Just look at the Eastern Conference and the watered down talent representing another uninspring All Star event, braise yourself for another $hitty season

[LkrFan]

Laker fan detected :lol

I was thinking the same shit! :rollin :lmao :rollin

[RsxPiimp]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Derrick Coleman got on the cover of SI in '95 for being a whining, petulant diva.... Chris Webber held out and forced a trade after his rookie year, Scottie Pippen pouted on the bench when Phil didn't draw up the game-winning play for him.... players would skip practice, try to get guaranteed playing time clauses in their contracts, hell, Chris Morris even wrote "trade me" on his sneakers....

The revisionist history about the '90s NBA is hilarious, people really do believe everything they hear from the media :lol

That pales in comparison to the amount of "divas" the current generation has though.


Also, Coleman deserved the S.I. cover at the time. If there was a definitive season that turned his career, it was 93-94 where he led the Nets to a playoff team, was selected as an All Star and helped USA capture gold in the FIBA World Championship. It was fools gold, sure, but the time S.I. rolled with that issue, they were acknowledging DC's best season at that point in his career.

[lefty]

Troy Aikman has 3 rings, he's not as good as Brady but he ain't a whining bitch like him either.
he earned the right to bitch

[Clipper Nation]

That pales in comparison to the amount of "divas" the current generation has though.


Also, Coleman deserved the S.I. cover at the time. If there was a definitive season that turned his career, it was 93-94 where he led the Nets to a playoff team, was selected as an All Star and helped USA capture gold in the FIBA World Championship. It was fools gold, sure, but the time S.I. rolled with that issue, they were acknowledging DC's best season at that point in his career.
That's not what the cover was about, dumbass :lol

http://i.imgur.com/0hQNCqv.png

[lefty]

Fuck DC, lazy POS


Such a talented player, he could have dominated most big men for a long time

I know him taking shits on Shaq for 2-3 seasons

[RsxPiimp]

That's not what the cover was about, dumbass :lol

http://i.imgur.com/0hQNCqv.png
Oh, fuck me then. I should've checked the cover first :lmao

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol Payton is just an overrated piece of shit negroid who benefitted from playing in a decade long watered down league. Nobody cares what he says. It's all about the now. LeGOAT, Kevin, and Cliff Paul will continue to carry the league and make it to be the best sport in the U. S. Of A outside of fooseball of course.

he is the best player in your franchise history faggot

[HarlemHeat37]

Dominos Durant >>> Payton, tbh:lol..

[sook]

he is the best player in your franchise history faggot

you're a dickcheese but props for digging up something most of us overlook :lol

[Stalin]

In a way


But the pussification really started after his retirement in 98

This is when the NBA panicked and was afraid that the NBA would lose popularity, so they started to manufacture superstars and boost their scoring stats via rule changes and gay officiating



Co sign

[Leon Black]

He's right…….. when you have teams like the Spurs out there that will always be the case.

[Thebesteva]

That's not what the cover was about, dumbass :lol

http://i.imgur.com/0hQNCqv.png

Theyre bad news for tomorrows athletes at the time which means todays athlete

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Dominos Durant >>> Payton, tbh:lol..

no

[Clipper Nation]

Theyre bad news for tomorrows athletes at the time which means todays athlete

Wrong again, the actual article listed diva-esque shit that Coleman and other players at the time were doing :lol

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1142626/index.htm

[Thebesteva]

Wrong again, the actual article listed diva-esque shit that Coleman and other players at the time were doing :lol

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1142626/index.htm

Did you even watch 90s ball? There is no way anyone who watched night in and out prefers todays ball. It was tough basketball, today you got guys like Blake Griffin who flop just for the taste of it

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Did you even watch 90s ball? There is no way anyone who watched night in and out prefers todays ball. It was tough basketball, today you got guys like Blake Griffin who flop just for the taste of it

I hope that is a rhetorical question. Because judging from his response he obviously hasn't.

[Thebesteva]

I hope that is a rhetorical question. Because judging from his response he obviously hasn't.

Theres no shame if he likes todays ball more, its just my opinion, but I liked the sport more when these guys used to overpower eachother and kind of rumble. Thanks to dumb fuck Artest and Stephen Jackson, from the moment the Palace incident occured, Stern and the NBA made these guys softer so that their image would change.

[Capt Bringdown]

I lived in Seattle during the Payton's tenure. I agree with the over-rated assessment. The Sonics' trip to the finals was the exception, spectacular post-season flameouts were more common.


But ridiculing his own coach and his teammates was crossing a line. His contentiousness would always surface in the bad times; the tenser the moment, the more Oakland he would become. And when the Sonics opened the 1994 playoffs against Denver with expectations of rolling to the finals, Payton overtly snapped.

"Three years ago I didn't see the first outbreak, but he and Ricky Pierce got into some kind of a discussion at halftime of the first Denver game, and they were threatening to get guns," Karl said. "The players told me they had guns in their bags. It was, 'I'll kill your family.' It was crazy. That was Game 1, and we won. And we won the next game. Then, Game 3, he goes crazy after the game. We lose. And everything he was saying -- as a counselor major, I know this -- was a projection. He's yelling at himself. He's standing up there saying we did this, and you're a so-and-so. He's yelling at the team, but he's yelling at himself. He's, 'You guys dogged it, we let them kick our butts, we didn't come mentally ready.' And the team's going, 'Come on, you're the worst one out there, man. You're the one who wasn't mentally ready.'
-- more --> (http://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/02/sports/nba-playoffs-the-two-sides-of-gary-payton.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm)

[Clipper Nation]

Did you even watch 90s ball? There is no way anyone who watched night in and out prefers todays ball. It was tough basketball, today you got guys like Blake Griffin who flop just for the taste of it

I did watch '90s ball, and as I said earlier in the thread, it had its moments, but overall I prefer the '80s NBA, tbh.... and again, players flopped in the '90s, flopping had existed in the NBA as early as the '50s :lol

Maybe you should try actually watching '90s ball instead of just repeating the glossed-over media spin :lol

[313]

1996-2000 IMO is one of the most boring stretch of basketball. You have the league on life support hopelessly banking on Jordan's appeal to save them from bankruptcy. They were so desperate, that every athletic wingman or NC grad is pegged as the next Jordan :lol


Personally suggesting one era is better than the other is unreasonable IMO. In every decade or era, there is a timeline of bland and uninspiring basketball and there are seasons that completely stand out. For example, 91-93 was dope. I don't care what you say, but Jordan in his prime was a once in a lifetime, especially against the Knicks.
2001-2003 was decent until the Finals rolled in, the league invested heavily in Shaq-Kobe. We did saw Iverson and Carter duke it out in the playoffs and McGrady delivered the lulz against the Pistons. 04-05 was a snooze fest but Spurs-Pistons series did save it from going down as the worst.


2006-2011 were the finest years IMO. You can all disagree but that was the perfect storm for me. Lakers-Celtics, Dirk putting on one of the best post season run by annihilating the Lakers and the Heat. Wade, Lebron, Arenas and even new comers like KD and Brandon Roy were giving us plenty of highlight reels. Not a fan of them? No problem, Duncan and Gasol were schooling everyone in the post. And if you feel like going retro,
Shaq, Mutombo, Zo and Kidd were somehow in the mix. :lol


This season is the obligatory stink fest. Just look at the Eastern Conference and the watered down talent representing another uninspring All Star event, braise yourself for another $hitty season

A lot of talent coming in these next couple years

[Tuddy]

Most teams in the 90s had a dominant rim protector as well. Aside from the bigs mentioned, guys like Mark Eaton, Manute Bol, Shawn Bradley, Gheorgie Muresan, genuine 7 footers to protect the rim. Nowadays you get into the paint and you've got a 6'9 guy out there to finish against

[Thebesteva]

I did watch '90s ball, and as I said earlier in the thread, it had its moments, but overall I prefer the '80s NBA, tbh.... and again, players flopped in the '90s, flopping had existed in the NBA as early as the '50s :lol

Maybe you should try actually watching '90s ball instead of just repeating the glossed-over media spin :lol

You prefer 80s ball? There's no way you were legitimately watching 80s ball when it happened, that would put you in your early 40s at best. You're not old and Korean are you?

[StrengthAndHonor]

I did watch '90s ball, and as I said earlier in the thread, it had its moments, but overall I prefer the '80s NBA, tbh.... and again, players flopped in the '90s, flopping had existed in the NBA as early as the '50s :lol

Maybe you should try actually watching '90s ball instead of just repeating the glossed-over media spin :lol


:lol Prefer it, yet you've never seen a game from it. Stick to trolling threads tbh.

[elmanutres]

:lol Payton is just an overrated piece of shit negroid who benefitted from playing in a decade long watered down league. Nobody cares what he says. It's all about the now. LeGOAT, Kevin, and Cliff Paul will continue to carry the league and make it to be the best sport in the U. S. Of A outside of fooseball of course.

still got farther in the finals than durant

[Jacob1983]

Payton is right. Yeah, the free throws might be down from years past but that's become no one goes to the damn basketball anymore. Players have grown accustomed to living on the 3 point line and away from the paint. When you're jacking up 3 pointers and long rang jump shots, your free throw attempts will probably go down. The NBA sucks now because it's dominated by pussies and emo divas.

[lefty]

Payton is right. Yeah, the free throws might be down from years past but that's become no one goes to the damn basketball anymore. Players have grown accustomed to living on the 3 point line and away from the paint. When you're jacking up 3 pointers and long rang jump shots, your free throw attempts will probably go down. The NBA sucks now because it's dominated by pussies and emo divas.
And that's why I 've never like the addition of zone D

Now we have big men shooting 3's, and overrated scrubs stat padding because they are wide open for 3



Fuck that shit

[Jacob1983]

Rim protectors and dominant centers that rape the paint are nearly extinct in the NBA. For the NBA to be good, there has to be a balance or at least some variety when it comes jump shooters, rim protectors, and dominant centers.

[irishock]

I was thinking the same shit! :rollin :lmao :rollin

:lol Clipper Nation (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=28500) shouldn't even try to hide it anymore.. at one point for sure he was a Laker fan before he turned on them and hopped on the Clipper bandwagon, let's say in 2011 :lol

:lol I mean who the fuck would believe he's been a Clipper fan since the 80's!!?

[UZER]

The NBA is the FB of the sports world. The stars manufactured with forced stories are like the fake lives people portray on FB.

[Bill_Brasky]

The fuck was that fag rambling about? He claims the NBA is weaker today than in his era because of too many foul calls, but then he says that he used to foul out all the time. Don't those two things contradict each other?

[TDMVPDPOY]

The fuck was that fag rambling about? He claims the NBA is weaker today than in his era because of too many foul calls, but then he says that he used to foul out all the time. Don't those two things contradict each other?

probably tic tac phantom fouls vs real fouls

[AchillesHeel]

The fuck was that fag rambling about? He claims the NBA is weaker today than in his era because of too many foul calls, but then he says that he used to foul out all the time. Don't those two things contradict each other?

I think what he meant was that today's league protects the offensive player way too much. You're not allowed to play D as physically.

[Clipper Nation]

You prefer 80s ball? There's no way you were legitimately watching 80s ball when it happened, that would put you in your early 40s at best. You're not old and Korean are you?
:lol I wasn't watching at the time obviously, but just from watching old games and highlights you can tell it was more fun to watch, tbh....

[ambchang]

Just two different brands of basketball. I can see how today's NBA is more appealing to the masses, and much more highlight friendly. Everybody can enjoy some graceful SG/SF take two dribbles from the three point line and then dunk the basketball unimpeded, but not a lot of people will enjoy some huge center perform a whole bunch of fakes, then pass out of a double team, wait for the ball again, do the same maneuver, and then look at some no-name nail a 17 foot jumper. The WNBA, as unappealing as it is, is basic fundamental basketball, while the NBA is much more of an entertainment.

That said, drive and dunks can be entertaining for so long, if you get 10 or 15 of those a game, it gets boring. The beauty of 90s basketball is to have these Jordans and Drexlers were able to pull those moves off despite heavy coverage and handchecking and all that. There were certainly less of those, just higher level of difficulty.

Also, 90s basketball defense was a lot less complex than what it is today. It's more effective because of all the leeways allowed, but you can basically ride the few defensive schemes and win games. Similar for offense, where the 90s basketball was more focused on feeding one or two main scorers (which was why the Bulls were so ridiculously successful), while basketball nowadays allows for a more spreadout approach. The reason is because perimeter players have more leeway now, and defense must sag in to avoid penetration, leaving otherwise less skilled players opened for open jumpshots (Spurs are a prime example of this, so were the D'antoni Suns). Overall, today's NBA is more similar to Euroball or college ball but with better athleticism, while 90s ball was rough and rumble.

Which one you prefer really depends on personal tastes. I am alright with either, but would say today's ball is more entertaining, while the 90s ball had genuine superstars who were able to make something out of nothing.

As for divas, there certainly were many in the 90s, and Dream Team II was a total embarrassment for the USA. Kareem was a diva that forced his way out of the Bucks, Robertson bitches non-stop. Divas had been around since forever. Just that different eras complain about different things. The 90s players were unafraid to show their inner city upbringing. In fact, many of them faked the toughness despite their white vanilla background (see Webber) just so that they can get more popular, you are now handing these young immature players giant contracts before their step on the court (see Big Dog Robinson), and they think they are entitled to every single thing, thus divas. In today's NBA, they complain about pecking order and control of the team.

EDIT: BTW, I prefer 80s ball, up and down the court, superstars that got hacked, just fun stuff.
Also, today's superstar calls are a lot more blatant.

[LkrFan]

Just two different brands of basketball. I can see how today's NBA is more appealing to the masses, and much more highlight friendly. Everybody can enjoy some graceful SG/SF take two dribbles from the three point line and then dunk the basketball unimpeded, but not a lot of people will enjoy some huge center perform a whole bunch of fakes, then pass out of a double team, wait for the ball again, do the same maneuver, and then look at some no-name nail a 17 foot jumper. The WNBA, as unappealing as it is, is basic fundamental basketball, while the NBA is much more of an entertainment.

That said, drive and dunks can be entertaining for so long, if you get 10 or 15 of those a game, it gets boring. The beauty of 90s basketball is to have these Jordans and Drexlers were able to pull those moves off despite heavy coverage and handchecking and all that. There were certainly less of those, just higher level of difficulty.

Also, 90s basketball defense was a lot less complex than what it is today. It's more effective because of all the leeways allowed, but you can basically ride the few defensive schemes and win games. Similar for offense, where the 90s basketball was more focused on feeding one or two main scorers (which was why the Bulls were so ridiculously successful), while basketball nowadays allows for a more spreadout approach. The reason is because perimeter players have more leeway now, and defense must sag in to avoid penetration, leaving otherwise less skilled players opened for open jumpshots (Spurs are a prime example of this, so were the D'antoni Suns). Overall, today's NBA is more similar to Euroball or college ball but with better athleticism, while 90s ball was rough and rumble.

Which one you prefer really depends on personal tastes. I am alright with either, but would say today's ball is more entertaining, while the 90s ball had genuine superstars who were able to make something out of nothing.

As for divas, there certainly were many in the 90s, and Dream Team II was a total embarrassment for the USA. Kareem was a diva that forced his way out of the Bucks, Robertson bitches non-stop. Divas had been around since forever. Just that different eras complain about different things. The 90s players were unafraid to show their inner city upbringing. In fact, many of them faked the toughness despite their white vanilla background (see Webber) just so that they can get more popular, you are now handing these young immature players giant contracts before their step on the court (see Big Dog Robinson), and they think they are entitled to every single thing, thus divas. In today's NBA, they complain about pecking order and control of the team.

EDIT: BTW, I prefer 80s ball, up and down the court, superstars that got hacked, just fun stuff.
Also, today's superstar calls are a lot more blatant.

Cliff Note this shit son. The word for the day is brevity. SMH

[Sean Cagney]

And for this, we all have Michael Jordan to thank.
Atleast MJ got beat the hell up by DETROIT for three years on end! Boston too one time! He felt the real NBA in it's prime when you could beat the shit out of a player and even had to face the prime Knicks team! These guys today just whine for fouls! But they are looking for the NEXT MJ and star I agree so that point you made there is true in a ways.. They want that next one so bad.

[Sean Cagney]

Just two different brands of basketball. I can see how today's NBA is more appealing to the masses, and much more highlight friendly. Everybody can enjoy some graceful SG/SF take two dribbles from the three point line and then dunk the basketball unimpeded, but not a lot of people will enjoy some huge center perform a whole bunch of fakes, then pass out of a double team, wait for the ball again, do the same maneuver, and then look at some no-name nail a 17 foot jumper. The WNBA, as unappealing as it is, is basic fundamental basketball, while the NBA is much more of an entertainment.

That said, drive and dunks can be entertaining for so long, if you get 10 or 15 of those a game, it gets boring. The beauty of 90s basketball is to have these Jordans and Drexlers were able to pull those moves off despite heavy coverage and handchecking and all that. There were certainly less of those, just higher level of difficulty.

Also, 90s basketball defense was a lot less complex than what it is today. It's more effective because of all the leeways allowed, but you can basically ride the few defensive schemes and win games. Similar for offense, where the 90s basketball was more focused on feeding one or two main scorers (which was why the Bulls were so ridiculously successful), while basketball nowadays allows for a more spreadout approach. The reason is because perimeter players have more leeway now, and defense must sag in to avoid penetration, leaving otherwise less skilled players opened for open jumpshots (Spurs are a prime example of this, so were the D'antoni Suns). Overall, today's NBA is more similar to Euroball or college ball but with better athleticism, while 90s ball was rough and rumble.

Which one you prefer really depends on personal tastes. I am alright with either, but would say today's ball is more entertaining, while the 90s ball had genuine superstars who were able to make something out of nothing.

As for divas, there certainly were many in the 90s, and Dream Team II was a total embarrassment for the USA. Kareem was a diva that forced his way out of the Bucks, Robertson bitches non-stop. Divas had been around since forever. Just that different eras complain about different things. The 90s players were unafraid to show their inner city upbringing. In fact, many of them faked the toughness despite their white vanilla background (see Webber) just so that they can get more popular, you are now handing these young immature players giant contracts before their step on the court (see Big Dog Robinson), and they think they are entitled to every single thing, thus divas. In today's NBA, they complain about pecking order and control of the team.

EDIT: BTW, I prefer 80s ball, up and down the court, superstars that got hacked, just fun stuff.
Also, today's superstar calls are a lot more blatant.
Damn this post is dead on.......

[HI-FI]

Cliff Note this shit son. The word for the day is brevity. SMH

Sólo dos marcas diferentes de baloncesto. Puedo ver cómo la NBA de hoy es más atractivo para las masas , y mucho más destaco de usar. Todo el mundo puede disfrutar de un poco agraciado SG / SF tomar dos regates desde la línea de tres puntos y luego encestar la pelota de baloncesto sin obstáculos , pero no un montón de gente va a disfrutar de un gran centro de realizar un montón de falsificaciones , a continuación, pasar de un doble equipo, espere por la pelota de nuevo, no la misma maniobra , y luego ver algunos sin nombre clavo un puente de 17 pies . La WNBA, tan poco atractiva como es, es fundamental el baloncesto de base, mientras que la NBA es mucho más que un entretenimiento .

Dicho esto , el empuje y dunks puede ser entretenido por mucho tiempo, si tienes 10 o 15 de los que un juego, se vuelve aburrido . La belleza de los años 90 el baloncesto es tener estos Jordans y Drexlers fueron capaces de tirar de esos movimientos a pesar de la cobertura y handchecking pesada y todo eso. Es cierto que existen menos de esos, sólo un mayor nivel de dificultad.

Además, de los 90 la defensa de baloncesto era mucho menos complejo de lo que es hoy. Es más efectivo , porque de todos los Leeways permitidos , pero se puede montar básicamente los pocos esquemas defensivos y ganar partidos . Similares para la ofensiva , donde el baloncesto de los 90 estaba más centrada en la alimentación de una o dos goleadores principales (que era por eso que los Bulls fueron tan ridículamente exitosa ) , mientras que el baloncesto permite hoy en día para un enfoque más spreadout . La razón es porque los jugadores perimetrales tienen más libertad ahora , y la defensa deben ceder para evitar la penetración , dejando lo contrario los jugadores menos hábiles abiertos para jumpshots abiertos ( Spurs son un buen ejemplo de esto, así que fueron los Suns D' antoni ) . En general, la NBA de hoy es más similar a Euroball o bola de la universidad, pero con una mejor forma física , mientras que 90s pelota era áspera y estruendo .

Cuál te gusta realmente depende de los gustos personales. Estoy bien con cualquiera , pero diría que el baile de hoy en día es más entretenido , mientras el balón 90 tenía auténticas superestrellas que fueron capaces de hacer algo de la nada .

En cuanto a las divas , había ciertamente muchos en los años 90 , y Dream Team II fue una vergüenza total para los EE.UU.. Kareem fue una diva que forzó su salida de los Bucks , Robertson perras sin parar. Divas habían existido desde siempre. Sólo que diferentes épocas se quejan de cosas diferentes. Los jugadores de 90 fueron sin miedo a mostrar su crianza interior de la ciudad . De hecho , muchos de ellos fingió la tenacidad a pesar de su fondo de vainilla blanca (ver Webber ) sólo para que puedan conseguir más popular, que ahora está entregando estos jugadores jóvenes inmaduros contratos gigantes antes de su paso en la cancha (ver Big Dog Robinson) , y creen que tienen derecho a cada cosa , así divas . En la NBA de hoy, que se quejan de orden y control del equipo de picoteo .

EDIT: BTW , yo prefiero los 80 minutos, y por la cancha , las superestrellas que han pirateado , sólo cosas divertidas.
Además, las llamadas de la superestrella de hoy son mucho más flagrante.

[LkrFan]

Sólo dos marcas diferentes de baloncesto. Puedo ver cómo la NBA de hoy es más atractivo para las masas , y mucho más destaco de usar. Todo el mundo puede disfrutar de un poco agraciado SG / SF tomar dos regates desde la línea de tres puntos y luego encestar la pelota de baloncesto sin obstáculos , pero no un montón de gente va a disfrutar de un gran centro de realizar un montón de falsificaciones , a continuación, pasar de un doble equipo, espere por la pelota de nuevo, no la misma maniobra , y luego ver algunos sin nombre clavo un puente de 17 pies . La WNBA, tan poco atractiva como es, es fundamental el baloncesto de base, mientras que la NBA es mucho más que un entretenimiento .

Dicho esto , el empuje y dunks puede ser entretenido por mucho tiempo, si tienes 10 o 15 de los que un juego, se vuelve aburrido . La belleza de los años 90 el baloncesto es tener estos Jordans y Drexlers fueron capaces de tirar de esos movimientos a pesar de la cobertura y handchecking pesada y todo eso. Es cierto que existen menos de esos, sólo un mayor nivel de dificultad.

Además, de los 90 la defensa de baloncesto era mucho menos complejo de lo que es hoy. Es más efectivo , porque de todos los Leeways permitidos , pero se puede montar básicamente los pocos esquemas defensivos y ganar partidos . Similares para la ofensiva , donde el baloncesto de los 90 estaba más centrada en la alimentación de una o dos goleadores principales (que era por eso que los Bulls fueron tan ridículamente exitosa ) , mientras que el baloncesto permite hoy en día para un enfoque más spreadout . La razón es porque los jugadores perimetrales tienen más libertad ahora , y la defensa deben ceder para evitar la penetración , dejando lo contrario los jugadores menos hábiles abiertos para jumpshots abiertos ( Spurs son un buen ejemplo de esto, así que fueron los Suns D' antoni ) . En general, la NBA de hoy es más similar a Euroball o bola de la universidad, pero con una mejor forma física , mientras que 90s pelota era áspera y estruendo .

Cuál te gusta realmente depende de los gustos personales. Estoy bien con cualquiera , pero diría que el baile de hoy en día es más entretenido , mientras el balón 90 tenía auténticas superestrellas que fueron capaces de hacer algo de la nada .

En cuanto a las divas , había ciertamente muchos en los años 90 , y Dream Team II fue una vergüenza total para los EE.UU.. Kareem fue una diva que forzó su salida de los Bucks , Robertson perras sin parar. Divas habían existido desde siempre. Sólo que diferentes épocas se quejan de cosas diferentes. Los jugadores de 90 fueron sin miedo a mostrar su crianza interior de la ciudad . De hecho , muchos de ellos fingió la tenacidad a pesar de su fondo de vainilla blanca (ver Webber ) sólo para que puedan conseguir más popular, que ahora está entregando estos jugadores jóvenes inmaduros contratos gigantes antes de su paso en la cancha (ver Big Dog Robinson) , y creen que tienen derecho a cada cosa , así divas . En la NBA de hoy, que se quejan de orden y control del equipo de picoteo .

EDIT: BTW , yo prefiero los 80 minutos, y por la cancha , las superestrellas que han pirateado , sólo cosas divertidas.
Además, las llamadas de la superestrella de hoy son mucho más flagrante.
:lol

[Stalin]

Just two different brands of basketball. I can see how today's NBA is more appealing to the masses, and much more highlight friendly. Everybody can enjoy some graceful SG/SF take two dribbles from the three point line and then dunk the basketball unimpeded, but not a lot of people will enjoy some huge center perform a whole bunch of fakes, then pass out of a double team, wait for the ball again, do the same maneuver, and then look at some no-name nail a 17 foot jumper. The WNBA, as unappealing as it is, is basic fundamental basketball, while the NBA is much more of an entertainment.

That said, drive and dunks can be entertaining for so long, if you get 10 or 15 of those a game, it gets boring. The beauty of 90s basketball is to have these Jordans and Drexlers were able to pull those moves off despite heavy coverage and handchecking and all that. There were certainly less of those, just higher level of difficulty.

Also, 90s basketball defense was a lot less complex than what it is today. It's more effective because of all the leeways allowed, but you can basically ride the few defensive schemes and win games. Similar for offense, where the 90s basketball was more focused on feeding one or two main scorers (which was why the Bulls were so ridiculously successful), while basketball nowadays allows for a more spreadout approach. The reason is because perimeter players have more leeway now, and defense must sag in to avoid penetration, leaving otherwise less skilled players opened for open jumpshots (Spurs are a prime example of this, so were the D'antoni Suns). Overall, today's NBA is more similar to Euroball or college ball but with better athleticism, while 90s ball was rough and rumble.

Which one you prefer really depends on personal tastes. I am alright with either, but would say today's ball is more entertaining, while the 90s ball had genuine superstars who were able to make something out of nothing.

As for divas, there certainly were many in the 90s, and Dream Team II was a total embarrassment for the USA. Kareem was a diva that forced his way out of the Bucks, Robertson bitches non-stop. Divas had been around since forever. Just that different eras complain about different things. The 90s players were unafraid to show their inner city upbringing. In fact, many of them faked the toughness despite their white vanilla background (see Webber) just so that they can get more popular, you are now handing these young immature players giant contracts before their step on the court (see Big Dog Robinson), and they think they are entitled to every single thing, thus divas. In today's NBA, they complain about pecking order and control of the team.

EDIT: BTW, I prefer 80s ball, up and down the court, superstars that got hacked, just fun stuff.
Also, today's superstar calls are a lot more blatant.



5 star essay, will read again and recommend to family and friends

[ambchang]

Cliff Note this shit son. The word for the day is brevity. SMH

Learn to read son. The word of the day is read.

[DMC]

Theres no shame if he likes todays ball more, its just my opinion, but I liked the sport more when these guys used to overpower eachother and kind of rumble. Thanks to dumb fuck Artest and Stephen Jackson, from the moment the Palace incident occured, Stern and the NBA made these guys softer so that their image would change.

You can credit corn rolls Iverson and Spree for much of that. The NBA negro was always a bit raw boned, but these wannabe ghetto chimps took it to a new level, they tried to bring gangsta into the NBA and it backfired on the league as whitey stopped going to watch streetball.

[Clipper Nation]

Learn to read son. The word of the day is read.
You'll have to forgive IllglImmgrntFan.... his English isn't very good, having just hopped the border recently, so he can't be reading that much :downspin:

[LkrFan]

You'll have to forgive IllglImmgrntFan.... his English isn't very good, having just hopped the border recently, so he can't be reading that much :downspin:
:lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

You can credit corn rolls Iverson and Spree for much of that. The NBA negro was always a bit raw boned, but these wannabe ghetto chimps took it to a new level, they tried to bring gangsta into the NBA and it backfired on the league as whitey stopped going to watch streetball.

lol gettin arm sleeve tats to stand out from the players on the court

then getting arm sleeve accessories cause the tattoos might offend/attract gangbangers...

fake ass chimps in the league....

imo they should get rid of all accessories...fkn scrubs have no business wearing all these gear to show off....

[HI-FI]

You can credit corn rolls Iverson and Spree for much of that. The NBA negro was always a bit raw boned, but these wannabe ghetto chimps took it to a new level, they tried to bring gangsta into the NBA and it backfired on the league as whitey stopped going to watch streetball.
pretty much. other than Spurs ringing in late 90s, that era sucked to me. no Jordan but plenty of "new MJs" the league wanted to prop up, with Stern finally settling on Rapist. Kobe was appealing to some though for not being a thug and I understand that. Stern's dress code was one of his best ideas, they had to do something before it turned into Django Unchained out there.

[DMC]

Grant Hill was the new MJ until he got injured. I wish he would have had a complete career, dude was a beast.

[DMC]

pretty much. other than Spurs ringing in late 90s, that era sucked to me. no Jordan but plenty of "new MJs" the league wanted to prop up, with Stern finally settling on Rapist. Kobe was appealing to some though for not being a thug and I understand that. Stern's dress code was one of his best ideas, they had to do something before it turned into Django Unchained out there.

At one point in a press conference, I was waiting for some big nail pulling negro to stand up and say "give to us our freeeeeee"

[HI-FI]

Grant Hill would've been the best MJ clone or knockoff. Better guy than Rapist or MJ and was a great player before injuries.

[Jacob1983]

Can't forget 2006 and 2007 when Stern tried desperately to make Wade the new MJ. The NBA sucks today because the league tries too hard to improve itself and care more about making money and gaining new fans than trying to keep the dedicated and hard core fans that actually give a shit about their teams and players. The NBA is trying too hard and changing too many things.