Is Jeff Ayres an upgrade over DeJuan Blair?

[Uriel]

Both players have essentially the same role (PF getting spot minutes), and both players are hated passionately by SpursTalkers. The question is, though, with Ayres now taking over Blair's role, would it be fair to say that he as at least an improvement over his predecessor?

[Bruno]

Yes.

0 > -10

[TE]

Easy answer by default, tbh.

[hater]

this is a good question but another one that can't be decided until the Playoffs

Let's face it, Blair was fine in the regular season, it was the playoffs where he was a black hole and useless. I would not say Ayres is an upgrade over Blair but definitely a lateral move with potential benefits

[313]

Well, he's taller.

[tholdren]

this is a good question but another one that can't be decided until the Playoffs

Let's face it, Blair was fine in the regular season, it was the playoffs where he was a black hole and useless. I would not say Ayres is an upgrade over Blair but definitely a lateral move with potential benefits


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MP
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TS%
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2009-10 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/blairde01/gamelog/2010/)
20
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2010.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html)
PF
10
91
24.0
.514
.500
.281
.000
23.9
25.1
24.5
9.4
2.9
3.5
5.3
19.5
122
101
0.3
0.2
0.4
.226


2010-11 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/blairde01/gamelog/2011/)
21
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2011.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)
PF
4
50
9.6
.366
.333
.238
.000
20.4
9.5
15.1
7.3
0.0
1.4
7.9
23.7
91
110
0.0
0.0
0.0
-0.021


2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/blairde01/gamelog/2012/)
22
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
PF
10
76
22.9
.624
.630
.222
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11.2
23.6
17.6
4.6
2.0
1.0
3.3
18.8
128
100
0.3
0.1
0.4
.244


2012-13 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/blairde01/gamelog/2013/)
23
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NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html)
PF
12
76
31.2
.619
.618
.265
.000
9.4
26.3
18.1
18.7
3.5
1.0
2.6
24.2
131
94
0.4
0.2
0.6
.348


Career


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293
23.1
.544
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.254
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21.2
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101
0.9
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4 seasons

SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/)
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23.1
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16.2
22.4
19.4
10.2
2.3
1.9
4.5
21.2
120
101
0.9
0.5
1.3
.220

[hater]

yeah, he was still a defensive black hole and pretty much useless in a playoff series

[spurraider21]

if he doesn't bobble passes and blow dunks yes

[timtonymanu]

Ehh, I still think Blair was a better player.

A month ago he would have been a major upgrade over Ayres. Ayres is getting better though. We will see in a month.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

blair and its not close.

:lol @ the poll results

[tholdren]

yeah, he was still a defensive black hole and pretty much useless in a playoff series

blair has better numbers than tiago...see above

[james evans]

who in their right mind thinks ayers is better than blair?

[313]

if he doesn't bobble passes and blow dunks yes
And learns how to play defense instead of just standing there

[td4mvp2k]

Bonner was an upgrade over sh*tty blair tbh

[td4mvp2k]

.

[HI-FI]

offensively it's Blair. but I never felt good with no ACLs on defense or playing within system. I think Ayres has the potential to be much more well rounded but we'll need to revisit this thread in couple months.

[Seventyniner]

Ayers gives the Spurs more of what they need from a big man. Blair is the better player in a vacuum but not for the Spurs given the composition of the rest of the team.

[Tuddy]

Ayres defense on face up players is good. He struggles with bigger guys in the post, but he won't have to guard them once he stops playing backup Center.

[hater]

blair has better numbers than tiago...see above

so? we were getting bounced in the 1st round with Blair instead of Splitter

[playblair]

blair = better defender/rebounder/pnr player...............................

ginobili/blair PNR = legiit(blair haters wont admit they miss ginobili/blair PNR).................. ayres is a horrible PNR finisher........................

blair = 2 30/20 games..............

[playbonner15]

ginobili/blair PNR results to a blair weak ass tear drop

[cd021]

this is a good question but another one that can't be decided until the Playoffs

Let's face it, Blair was fine in the regular season, it was the playoffs where he was a black hole and useless. I would not say Ayres is an upgrade over Blair but definitely a lateral move with potential benefits

Agreed

[cd021]

if he doesn't bobble passes and blow dunks yes

He definitely improved in that area. He is catching and finishing much more consistently. Last 5-10 games have been a different story. Plus his rebound has been a positive.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Blair is better but Jeff is much better for this team. Spurs didn't need what Blair could offer and his negatives greatly outweighed his positives because of that.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'd take Ayres, he is developing chemistry with the team and it's going to pay dividends if he can keep this up. His energy off the bench in the playoffs for a few minutes will do some good.

[Sean Cagney]

blair = better defender/rebounder/pnr player...............................

ginobili/blair PNR = legiit(blair haters wont admit they miss ginobili/blair PNR).................. ayres is a horrible PNR finisher........................

blair = 2 30/20 games..............
I am sorry but your SIG is fucking great......... Thats all.

To answer the question though no he is not, Ayres sucks but Blair is not the answer for this team either so by Default it's Blair.
Blair is better but Jeff is much better for this team. Spurs didn't need what Blair could offer and his negatives greatly outweighed his positives because of that.

Yes, SPurs did not need what Blair could offer and I was going to say that as well until I read your post.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Blair was the better player but I don't really see the difference that big since he left.

[T Park]

who in their right mind thinks ayers is better than blair?


People that know what a thing called defense is. Ayers is fifty times defensively the player Blair is. He's slightly not as good offensively, but he's so much better defensively that it makes up for it. Better rebounder too.

[apalisoc_9]

People that know what a thing called defense is. Ayers is fifty times defensively the player Blair is. He's slightly not as good offensively, but he's so much better defensively that it makes up for it. Better rebounder too.

Ayres, isn't that huge of an upgrade defensively, fatso.

[Prime Time]

Blair is the better player, but I feel Ayres fits San Antonio's system more. He's quick and not a black-hole on defense. The former the latter are everything Blair is not.

[Raven]

people still trying to compare players in the nba live way.. smh

[MeloHype]

Not sure. Its like choosing between two pieces of trash.

[timmy2003]

Blair has a much rounded offensive game and is highly skilled on the block. But Ayres is 6-10 and plays better D.

[Spur|n|Austin]

I'd take Ayres over DB every day of the week. Jeff had some confidence issues to start the season, and was playing a bit timid and scared, but that rust is obviously starting to wear off, and as Pop said, he really hasn't played much in the league yet. The talent is there, it just needs to be polished a bit.

I have a feeling come playoffs, we are going to be very happy with him coming off the bench.

[Mal]

DeJuan Blair had to go. That was it

[dallasmaverickslose]

I think over time Ayres will be a huge upgrade over Blair. Yeah he's sucked a lot early on and is a little overpaid, but he is improving...

[Horse]

Blair ended not even getting playing time. Ayers always gets some time. And he's just getting started. He has somewhat of a jumper and play way better D. Taller more athletic. Get rid of the butterfingers and he will reallly payoff.

[tholdren]

so? we were getting bounced in the 1st round with Blair instead of Splitter
blair has better numbers ...fact....
if you think splitter is better you don't understand basketball , and don't watch nba finals.

[jeebus]

Ok...who were the 60 dumbfucks who voted for Errors?

At least Blair supported the local economy by giving his money to Whataburger and jewelry stores.

[Robz4000]

:lol god damn, bring back Blair

[timtonymanu]

:lol a month later and Errors has gotten worse.

Blair >>>>> Errors for sure.

[jeebus]

Remember when Blair had like 30 and 20 against OKC? Errors couldn't do that on practice mode in a video game.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Remember when Blair had like 30 and 20 against OKC? Errors couldn't do that on practice mode in a video game.

Seriously.

This is why I don't post upstairs much. How much of a homer/idiot do you have to be to even think this through.

60-20 Ayres... my god...

[timtonymanu]

Eddy Curry >>>

[ElNono]

I understood the rationale of having a player to burn RS minutes. That's what Blair was too.

But I can't remember a worse player than Errors. It's beyond bad, he is flat out inept.

[Splits]

I understood the rationale of having a player to burn RS minutes. That's what Blair was too.

But I can't remember a worse player than Errors. It's beyond bad, he is flat out inept.

Im too lazy to look it up but he must have negative winshares.

[313]

:lol I can't remember who o voted for

Is there ant way to tell?

[Hoops Czar]

No, Diaw is an upgrade over Blair. Between Bonner and Ayres, I couldn't tell you who's worse.

[313]

No, Diaw is an upgrade over Blair. Between Bonner and Ayres, I couldn't tell you who's worse.Ayers and it's not even remotely close

[wildcardX]

Eddy Curry >>>

Probably could get better production from Eddie Curry at half the price.

[weeks]

Is Jeff Ayres an upgrade over Dejuan Blair?

http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq79/bnonymoushaha/1347996638792_zps405e86a3.gif

[Raven]

http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq79/bnonymoushaha/1347996638792_zps405e86a3.gif

you smile about stuff you invented on your own? you must have some problems tbh...

[Biernutz]

Blair...Blair.....Blair...again.....


http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb270/systime/sucks2.jpg

[tholdren]

Blair...Blair.....Blair...again.....


http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb270/systime/sucks2.jpg
Probably wont until Splitter shows some stats that justify getting paid ten times more than someone Who beata you in Mulitple categories of stats

[Texas_Ranger]

lol @ yes.

Dejuan Blair can actualy play basketball, even if he suck on defense and is small. Errors on the other side should not even be playing basketball.

[jeebus]

rofl at 61 now for Ayres. I guess T Park logged into his troll account and voted.

[weeks]

you smile about stuff you invented on your own? you must have some problems tbh...

:dizzy
i quoted the title of your thread.
you know, the original premise
Edit: thought you started it. No more drugs while on ST for me

[Mel_13]

Is projectile vomiting an upgrade over explosive diarrhea?

[Biernutz]

Probably wont until Splitter shows some stats that justify getting paid ten times more than someone Who beata you in Mulitple categories of stats
I could pad my stats if I always played in garbage time. Dallas never plays Blair when the game counts. They play him
just like we played him last year.....

[Darkwaters]

Ayres.

I'm not saying hes perfect, but hes definitely no traffic cone.

[td4mvp2k]

Lol at da tros when ayres gets more PT in da POs then blair tbh

[tholdren]

I could pad my stats if I always played in garbage time. Dallas never plays Blair when the game counts. They play him
just like we played him last year.....
lol homer

[Biernutz]

lol homer

LOL Blair BroCrush http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb270/systime/SMILEYS%20%20222/handjob.gif

[DMC]

I don't want one dysfunctional player to replace another. We'll never have a high end backup center, they don't exist. We just need someone who can defend and grab rebounds. Right now we have neither. Blair could grab rebounds until he fouled out. On year 2 when the Spurs had trained him to not foul out, he stopped grabbing boards at a high rate. He improved from the FT line, but he was too short to defend in the paint and couldn't score for shit unless he was wide open under the rim or on put backs.

[superbigtime]

For the money, absolutely no way. Even money, he's no better.

[tholdren]

I don't want one dysfunctional player to replace another. We'll never have a high end backup center, they don't exist. We just need someone who can defend and grab rebounds. Right now we have neither. Blair could grab rebounds until he fouled out. On year 2 when the Spurs had trained him to not foul out, he stopped grabbing boards at a high rate. He improved from the FT line, but he was too short to defend in the paint and couldn't score for shit unless he was wide open under the rim or on put backs.

I disagree, hes Always had higher rebounding stats than tiago, and i assume anyone else. He was our best o rebounder, and scores more ppg than Splitter, i was a fan of his play, it was manu-esque... He gambled. I think you need high energy guys to sin, and especially as role players. Were stuck with an autistic center Who cannot make any Type of momentum shifting play. Spurs lack killer instinct signing soft players doesnt help our cause

[DMC]

I disagree, hes Always had higher rebounding stats than tiago, and i assume anyone else. He was our best o rebounder, and scores more ppg than Splitter, i was a fan of his play, it was manu-esque... He gambled. I think you need high energy guys to sin, and especially as role players. Were stuck with an autistic center Who cannot make any Type of momentum shifting play. Spurs lack killer instinct signing soft players doesnt help our cause

Both are lost on defense and have basically no offensive skill set. It's not worth nitpicking which is the shinier turd.

[playblair]

BLAIR haters :lol..................

[jeebus]

Blair gave Dallas some great energy in the playoffs. Can't deny that.




Ayres can't handle the summer league talent. :lol at the 66 retards. this shit should've been public

[NickiRasgo]

Atleast Blair did a great job in Summer League and Errors was sh*t. :lol LMAO Errors

[testies]

People here are stupid. Blair was a bad apple in locker room and Ayers will never talk publicly about being on the bench. One is a net zero, the other a net negative (BLair)

[spursfan1000]

Id trade Ayers and a 2nd rounder for Blair tbh

[dabom]

People here are stupid. Blair was a bad apple in locker room and Ayers will never talk publicly about being on the bench. One is a net zero, the other a net negative (BLair)

This is true. Having neither would be better. That roster spot is better than both.

[Leetonidas]

Ayres winning this poll :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

People that know what a thing called defense is. Ayers is fifty times defensively the player Blair is. He's slightly not as good offensively, but he's so much better defensively that it makes up for it. Better rebounder too.
Ayres and defense?!?!?! Always speaking out your ass :lmao

[Cklbmk]

HUGE DOWNGRADE I HOPE AYERS CHOKES

[Dverde]

I prefer neither and let them use the empty bench seat to hold Tiago's purse.

[bob bass sucks]

Ayers sucks balls release his ass asap.

[Mr Bones]

The Spurs just finished the season with the best record in the nba and possession of the nba championship, but there are still people on spurstalk upset that a deep bench player isn't closer to being an all-star. Hilarious.

[SupremeGuy]

People here are stupid. Blair was a bad apple in locker room and Ayers will never talk publicly about being on the bench. One is a net zero, the other a net negative (BLair)This.

[Cklbmk]

The Spurs just finished the season with the best record in the nba and possession of the nba championship, but there are still people on spurstalk upset that a deep bench player isn't closer to being an all-star. Hilarious.


No we're upset that a worthless no potential player is taking up a roster spot when there are clearly better players available

[Bill_Brasky]

How the hell is Errors in the NBA, tbh? Usually people who cant catch a pass can at least defend, but this dude cant catch AND gets bullied in the post. Really confused as to what the Spurs saw in him that they guaranteed him a roster spot.

[spursparker9]

I would trade Error for RJ.

[Sean Cagney]

Ayres is flat out horrible :( I can't even deny it at all.

[cd021]

People here are stupid. Blair was a bad apple in locker room and Ayers will never talk publicly about being on the bench. One is a net zero, the other a net negative (BLair)

How was Blair a bad apple exactly?

[dabom]

Remember when he said they would have won with him on the floor vs miami.
Yeah fuck him!

[jeebus]

The Spurs just finished the season with the best record in the nba and possession of the nba championship, but there are still people on spurstalk upset that a deep bench player isn't closer to being an all-star. Hilarious.
gtfo and kill yourself. the faggot got regular minutes during the season. it took 82 games for Pop to figure out that he doesn't belong on the court and benched his ass in the playoffs.

[TheGreatYacht]

Ayres better than Blair? Yeah they're ain't a lot of homers on here or anything...

[TheGoldStandard]

The sad thing about Ayres is not really his skill set, there are numerous players that suck that get roster spots but this fool is making more than the minimum. He should be making maybe 10 bucks an hour for his skill set.

[bob bass sucks]

what bout JaMychal Green?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Grizzly turned the momentum and nearly won the Mavs game 4 in the first round, then the semi-accidental kick to Splitter's the face had him thrown out of the game. Give and take? :lol

I think Blair is clearly the better offensive player and rebounder, but he did not want to stay with the Spurs as he seemed to think that he was better than he actually is and deserved more playing time as a consequence. Ayers doesn't suffer from that delusion and does very little to justify playing time, but at least he doesn't cause any trouble.

I'd rather give Ayers' roster spot to the development of a young, promising, athletic kid.

[Mr Bones]

gtfo and kill yourself. the faggot got regular minutes during the season. it took 82 games for Pop to figure out that he doesn't belong on the court and benched his ass in the playoffs.

You're right. I talked to Peter Holt on the phone this morning and he told me that after seeing your brilliant posts on spurstalk he's ready to fire both R.C. Buford and Coach Pop. He'll be calling you later on today to offer you their jobs. You're going to be very busy this year!