NBA: Greatest system players of all time [Archive]

Koolaid_Man

01-19-2014, 12:21 PM

Being absolutely serious here, Michael Jordan should be the #1 system player of all time. In fact, I don't see an argument against it.

you wrong dawg it's Duncan....MJ may not have won shit during the 80's but he was dam good before the Tri :hat

Koolaid_Man

01-19-2014, 12:22 PM

Pop broke away from the system for 5 min and Tim Duncan and his Spurs collapsed into what we call 6

313

01-19-2014, 12:39 PM

Kobe, shaq, magic,Jerry, wilt, etc

Koolaid_Man

01-19-2014, 01:00 PM

The real question is of all the great system players we can name...who's most likely the Cuck and Homo

313

01-19-2014, 01:02 PM

The real question is of all the great system players we can name...who's most likely the Cuck and Homo

http://i.imgur.com/XDqvrkq.jpg

Clipper Nation

01-19-2014, 01:15 PM

:lol at Duncan being a "system player" when he has succeeded in both the 4 Down and the motion offense....

A system player is someone like DWill, who has sucked ass without Sloan's system making him look good....

DMC

01-19-2014, 01:28 PM

Koolaid_Man

01-19-2014, 01:29 PM

Pretty sure Kobe never won anything outside of the Triangle offense. Shaq did.

Kobe 2
Snack 1

KobeOwnsDuncan

01-19-2014, 01:30 PM

Sean Cagney

01-19-2014, 01:30 PM

you wrong dawg it's Duncan....MJ may not have won shit during the 80's but he was dam good before the Tri :hat

Duncan is the system......

ElNono

01-19-2014, 01:33 PM

Pretty sure Kobe never won anything outside of the Triangle offense. Shaq did.

Pretty much... the only caveat would be being bailed out by Wade in the Olympics...

AchillesHeel

01-19-2014, 01:34 PM

Both MJ and Kobe only won in the triangle offense and didn't do squat without it.

Bynumite

01-19-2014, 01:36 PM

Jim without Pop and a stacked olympic team = Shit stained olympic medal

Joyrider

01-19-2014, 01:41 PM

Jim without Pop and a stacked olympic team = Shit stained olympic medal

Stacked Olympic team ?!?! :rollin

KobeOwnsDuncan

01-19-2014, 01:45 PM

Pop broke away from the system for 5 min and Tim Duncan and his Spurs collapsed into what we call 6
Yup. And have you noticed the Spurs, with Pop coaching, have a winning record without Duncan? :lol

TDMVPDPOY

01-19-2014, 01:46 PM

Jim without Pop and a stacked olympic team = Shit stained olympic medal

i believe that was the year kobe was afraid to go cause he was afraid of terrorists, isnt that the same time he went and did some modeling wearing a turban and shit?

Bynumite

01-19-2014, 01:48 PM

Stacked Olympic team ?!?! :rollin

Iverson, Marbury, Wade, Lebron, Carmelo, Duncan, Stoudemire etc. is more than enough to get the job done.

spurraider21

01-19-2014, 01:52 PM

iverson, marbury, 3 rookies, and amare

Bynumite

01-19-2014, 01:58 PM

i believe that was the year kobe was afraid to go cause he was afraid of terrorists, isnt that the same time he went and did some modeling wearing a turban and shit?

So Jim's plan was to coattail Kobe all the way to olympic gold? But spurfan led me to believe Jim could carry groups of scrubs to NBA championships :lol

KobeOwnsDuncan

01-19-2014, 02:01 PM

So Jim's plan was to coattail Kobe all the way to olympic gold? But spurfan led me to believe Jim could carry groups of scrubs to NBA championships :lol
:lmao

Floyd Pacquiao

01-19-2014, 02:01 PM

:lol Real talk, Duncan was the system in his prime years. The system 4 down was basically pass him the ball in the post and either let him go 1 on 1, pass it too a cutter or create a double team and kick it to a 3 point shooter.

kobe has never had that much responsibilty in any of his championship years, tbh.

Bynumite

01-19-2014, 02:07 PM

iverson, marbury, 3 rookies, and amare

Yes, because Italy and Argentina are fucking powerhouses. The US had all-stars and stars in the making, Jim failed as a leader and a player and consequently exiled himself from olympic basketball forever and ever.

LkrFan

01-19-2014, 02:13 PM

DPG21920

01-19-2014, 02:16 PM

Modern day has to be Steve Nash. He won 2 MVP's because of the system.

LkrFan

01-19-2014, 02:16 PM

iverson, marbury, 3 rookies, and amare
Where was his leadership? You mean to tell me he had better NBA teammates than the Matrix - who just so happened to win a rang under Dirk's leadership? -10 points s:loln

LkrFan

01-19-2014, 02:19 PM

Duncan was NBA-ref dependent. FIBA-refs didn't play that shit. Proof? 4x NBA champion vs. 1x Olympic Bronze Medalist. :lol

Brunodf

01-19-2014, 02:19 PM

Duncan made Pop tbh.

In the early days the system was:

1- 4 down Duncan
2- 4 down Duncan
3- 4 down Duncan
4- Let D.Rob shoot a jumper

The Pop system(aka 2009-2013) has won 0 championships so far

LkrFan

01-19-2014, 02:21 PM

Tim + LeBron = Bronze medal
Kobe + LeBron = Gold medal
Kobe + LeBron = Gold medal

Any questi:lolns?

Bill_Brasky

01-19-2014, 02:24 PM

Modern day has to be Steve Nash. He won 2 MVP's because of the system.
Your relevant input is not welcome here sir :nope

DAF86

01-19-2014, 02:24 PM

lol stupid lakerfan thread backfiring per par.

Clipper Nation

01-19-2014, 02:45 PM

iverson, marbury, 3 rookies, and amare

Plus Larry Brown refused to play the rookies per par and allowed Iverson and Marbury to chuck the team into embarrassment, tbh.... and let's not forget how Kirby refused to play for his country that year because he was too busy with The Rape :lol

Lakerfan's constant attempts to blame the bronze medal on Duncan and LeBron are just reaching and deflecting....

elmanutres

01-19-2014, 02:45 PM

Kobe and the lakers with a prime shaq couldn't even rang until Phil came in. Then when jackson leaves momentarily kobe can't even get the job done. His dependence on the triangle led to bad seasons. Even so far that his ass got demoted to all nba third team in his prime years.

KobeOwnsDuncan

01-19-2014, 03:29 PM

Duncan made Pop tbh.

In the early days the system was:

1- 4 down Duncan
2- 4 down Duncan
3- 4 down Duncan
4- Let D.Rob shoot a jumper

The Pop system(aka 2009-2013) has won 0 championships so far
The Pop system kept you ungrateful assholes relevant for this long, he's not the one who didn't box out, or the one who missed the free throw, or the one who missed the layup. The cuck allowed himself to be taken out of the game in a championship clinching situation :lol

resistanze

01-19-2014, 03:30 PM

Utah Pedophile

Clipper Nation

01-19-2014, 03:34 PM

Utah Pedophile

:lol Sloan's system made a lot of guys look good.... that faggot Karl Malone, fatass DWill, Boozer... :lol

DMC

01-19-2014, 03:34 PM

You're right. Captain Bronze sure succeeded elsewhere :lol

Calculated shit bomb hits its mark.

DMC

01-19-2014, 03:36 PM

The Pop system kept you ungrateful assholes relevant for this long, he's not the one who didn't box out, or the one who missed the free throw, or the one who missed the layup. The cuck allowed himself to be taken out of the game in a championship clinching situation :lol

He's just the one who took out the best big in the series on two consecutive possessions when he needed a stop and a rebound.

resistanze

01-19-2014, 03:37 PM

:lol Sloan's system made a lot of guys look good.... that faggot Karl Malone, fatass DWill, Boozer... :lol

Yeah Stockton was the balls of the team...and he also had a field day whoring assists :lol
Rondo's wet dream :lol

KobeOwnsDuncan

01-19-2014, 03:37 PM

He's just the one who took out the best big in the series on two consecutive possessions when he needed a stop and a rebound.

One free throw seals it most likely. Did Pop miss it?

DMC

01-19-2014, 03:45 PM

One free throw seals it most likely. Did Pop miss it?

lol "most likely". Spurs should have been up by 15 points, but Pop's subs in the 4th were atrocious and showed total disregard for how the players were performing that night. It wasn't an adjustment he was making, it was as if he was going by a predetermined, regular season minutes schedule that did not take into account the situation.

KobeOwnsDuncan

01-19-2014, 03:49 PM

lol "most likely". Spurs should have been up by 15 points, but Pop's subs in the 4th were atrocious and showed total disregard for how the players were performing that night. It wasn't an adjustment he was making, it was as if he was going by a predetermined, regular season minutes schedule that did not take into account the situation.
They were in position still to close it out. Make your free throws and it's over. That simple.

DMC

01-19-2014, 04:19 PM

They were in position still to close it out. Make your free throws and it's over. That simple.

So then teams don't need coaches.

Thread

01-19-2014, 06:18 PM

The Pop system(aka 2009-2013) has won 0 championships so far

He won 1, but, had to give it back.

Phillip

01-19-2014, 08:18 PM

Being absolutely serious here, Michael Jordan should be the #1 system player of all time. In fact, I don't see an argument against it.

I don't disagree that MJ was certainly a system player.

But the biggest system player ever IMO was Malone, and its not even close.

DPG21920

01-19-2014, 08:21 PM

I don't disagree that MJ was certainly a system player.

But the biggest system player ever IMO was Malone, and its not even close.

More than Nash? Nash went from being an average player to NBA superstar/2x MVP in the most system-y system ever.

Rogue

01-19-2014, 09:09 PM

Greatest system player, umm... How about Lionel Messi? (provided that great system player = player who plays great in a certain system but sucks elsewhere)

Arcadian

01-19-2014, 09:19 PM

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01-19-2014, 10:03 PM

You Laker fags are gonna have to try harder than this if you want to make yourselves feel better about 16-25. :lol fuckin' fags

I always recall happier times:::17 June 2010, 9 June 1985, 6, my Luva revealing that Neal had raped, O & 45!, busting DMC's crack on Mono, Live in Texas, burying Daddy 5-4, fitting Duncan for a tired old shit bag and leaving him in it, my Luva revealing that Duncan is queer, Kool Aid Man.

Phillip

01-19-2014, 10:21 PM

More than Nash? Nash went from being an average player to NBA superstar/2x MVP in the most system-y system ever.

Average? He made multiple all-star teams before going to Phoenix. He was putting up 17/7 with low turnovers and high shooting percentages in Dallas.

When in Phoenix, he was putting up monster numbers despite having different coaches and players around him. They started with D'Antoni as coach, and players like Amare, Joe Johnson, and Shawn Marion, then eventually became Alvin Gentry as coach, with players like Marcin Gortat, Shannon Brown, and Channing Frye, yet he was still out there putting up double digit assists with incredibly efficient shooting numbers.

IMO, Nash simply is an incredibly good offensive player.

Prime Time

01-20-2014, 07:32 AM

Amare maybe? He was torching it in 2010 but played noticeably worse with New York. At least after Melo came

Still, Amare isn't anything near "superstar" level without a system revolving around him and a good point guard.

Rogue

01-20-2014, 09:16 AM

I guess someone's limited height doesn't allow him to see anywhere further back than 04 tbh. Nash had been a star player in Dallas for years before moving to Phoenix and I bet some mavs fans were seriously on suicide watch when there broke out the news of Nash's departure. And putting up 17pts a game playing alongside 5-6 badass scorers wasn't too bad imho, not to say the 7-8 assists per game. Nash's definitely one of the greatest offensive players of all time (his assist numbers speak louder than his points imho). And his longevity is rather good too, dude could still crank out double-double stats even at age 37.

ambchang

01-20-2014, 11:13 AM

Bill Russell, won 11 championships with him at the center of the entire system both defensively and jump starting offense through his outlet passes.

Aren't all players system players? They all play within a system, and those who are most successful in light of winning and maximizing their own strengths are the most successful system players of all time.

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01-20-2014, 11:18 AM

Aren't all players system players? They all play within a system, and those who are most successful in light of winning and maximizing their own strengths are the most successful system players of all time.

True, but, in the backwash of back-to-back National Championships Media went in to the deep south and high tech lynched A.J. McCarron over the term. It's all they had. Now we're stuck with the aftermath.

JamStone

01-20-2014, 11:47 AM

I don't disagree that MJ was certainly a system player.

But the biggest system player ever IMO was Malone, and its not even close.

If MJ was a system player and he's already considered the greatest player ever regardless of a system, then he should also be the greatest system player too.

I'm not questioning his ability to be great without the triangle, but his ultimate success in the NBA came under the triangle system.

Already considered the GOAT + being a system player = the GOAT system player

ambchang

01-20-2014, 12:54 PM

If MJ was a system player and he's already considered the greatest player ever regardless of a system, then he should also be the greatest system player too.

I'm not questioning his ability to be great without the triangle, but his ultimate success in the NBA came under the triangle system.

Already considered the GOAT + being a system player = the GOAT system player

Not saying that Jordan is not a great system player, but the logic is flawed when considering what GOAT system player means.

If you mean it by the greatest player who happened to play in a system, then it holds true. But if you mean the player who is the greatest when being in a system, then your logic may not be true.

The greatest of all time can really be bad in a system while making up for it in a systemless team (I acknowledge this is some what of a stretch to imagine), then your logic would not work.

Indazone

01-20-2014, 01:18 PM

John Stockton. Way better than Nash

DMC

01-20-2014, 02:11 PM

:lol at this faggot ass troll attempt. If Tim has appeared as a system player, it's because he was the only player on earth good enough to single-handedly sustain such a system in the first place.

You Laker fags are gonna have to try harder than this if you want to make yourselves feel better about 16-25. :lol fuckin' fags

There are how many Pop students out there now coaching teams and none have had success like SA because they don't have a Tim Duncan. It's like the Bucks trying to run the triangle without Shaq or Magic or Pau.

Rogue

01-20-2014, 07:50 PM

I think there's a difference between the "greatest system players" and "scrubs who somehow look decent in a system they fit", imho.

jimbo

01-20-2014, 08:09 PM

There are how many Pop students out there now coaching teams and none have had success like SA because they don't have a Tim Duncan. It's like the Bucks trying to run the triangle without Shaq or Magic or Pau.

Bud is making the Hawks look pretty damn good tbh

DMC

01-20-2014, 08:36 PM

Bud is making the Hawks look pretty damn good tbh

Hawks have been a playoff team for a long time. They've never looked "pretty damn good" tbh. They finished last season with a higher percentage win rate than they have right now.

jimbo

01-20-2014, 09:13 PM

Hawks have been a playoff team for a long time. They've never looked "pretty damn good" tbh. They finished last season with a higher percentage win rate than they have right now.

They looked perennially middling with the Joe Johnson/Josh Smith/Al Horford core. The only thing worse than that is continually being the 8-10th seed. I don't know why you would try to say that's even close to being a good thing.

Even after Horford went down this year, they've managed to keep the wheels on the train with Teague/Milsap and bunch of nobodies. They've got some good wins recently vs good teams in the Heat, Rockets, Pacers.

They're leading the league in assists too, with Teague (7.6 apg) and :lol Shelvin Mack (3.5) as their top 2 leaders in assists. Give Bud some decent players to plug in, and they'll be looking even better.

What more can you ask from a good system?